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Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 3: Tonight is Australia's tariff beef with the US over as
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Speaker 3: the Albanese government opens the door to US beef imports.
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Speaker 3: Will this lead to a meeting with the President for
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Speaker 3: our Prime minister? And what are the risks for our
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Speaker 3: cattle industry? The yin and yang of our China relationship.
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Speaker 3: Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison issues a warning while billionaire
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Speaker 3: mining magnate Twiggy Forest is all sweetness and light, the
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Speaker 3: deceptive media coverage of the Garzan War and the influence
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Speaker 3: of Katari broadcaster Al Jazeera. I'll speak to a former
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Speaker 3: journalistic insider all that and so much more with Michael McCormack,
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Speaker 3: Amanda Rose, Michaulia Cash, Alexander Downer, James Bolt and Tim Blair.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: With the debate about net zero and the backlash against
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Speaker 3: renewables in in regional areas and now beef exports and
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Speaker 3: imports in the political bull ring. Parliament has been a
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Speaker 3: wild rodeo this week and when you put it all together,
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Speaker 3: we end up with just a dash of mad cow disease.
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Speaker 4: When people say they're from the country.
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Speaker 3: Get it right.
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Speaker 4: Steers don't fight. We carstrate them, so they don't right.
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Speaker 4: Steers have their testicles removed, and they said, happily in
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Speaker 4: the paddock and eat grass, getting as fat as possible
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Speaker 4: so I can jam a minor truck and get paid money.
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Speaker 4: Bulls Ooo, Bulls fight right, and you know you stay
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Speaker 4: away from the bulls.
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Speaker 2: You gotta love him, don't you.
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Speaker 3: I'll have more on the two old nationals bulls and
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Speaker 3: then net zero push in a moment. But the wrangling
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Speaker 3: today has been all about beef, imports and exports, and
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albernezi's troubles getting any face time with Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: while the US president maintains trade tariffs against US. When
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Speaker 3: Trump slapped costly tariffs on Australia earlier this year, it
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Speaker 3: was a cruel way to treat a friend and ally,
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Speaker 3: especially one with a free trade agreement. Although you might
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Speaker 3: say it probably helped Albanezi win the election anyway, at
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Speaker 3: the time, the President made one of his beefs very clear.
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Speaker 5: Australia bands and they're wonderful people and wonderful everything, but
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Speaker 5: they ban American beef. Yet we imported three billion dollars
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Speaker 5: of Australian beef from them just last year alone. They
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Speaker 5: won't take any of our beef. They don't want it
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Speaker 5: because they don't want it to affect their farmers. And
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Speaker 5: you know what, I don't blame them, but we're doing
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Speaker 5: the same thing right now, starting out midnight to eight.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: Australia's ban on US imports is kind of complicated. It's
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Speaker 3: all about mad cow disease and keeping it out of
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Speaker 3: this country. And we've actually been fine with US beef
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Speaker 3: for years, but the American exporters need to convince our
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Speaker 3: biosecurity agencies that there are no Mexican or Canadian cattle
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Speaker 3: in their mix.
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Speaker 2: It all a bit too hard for those exporters.
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Speaker 3: But as of this morning, Australia has announced all those
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Speaker 3: problems can be solved and US beef will start flowing
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Speaker 3: into this country by the end of the month.
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Speaker 6: There is no risks to the Australian beef or ra
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Speaker 6: cattle industry. Those tests have been done. As I say,
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Speaker 6: it's been a tenure process.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about things like ninety nine point nine percent safe.
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Speaker 2: That means that every thousand animals that come in, one
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Speaker 2: animal is unsafe. We can't take that risk here in Australia.
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Speaker 7: The timing is exquisite, Karen, absolutely exquisite for this ongoing
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Speaker 7: process to just arrive with the science protocol to lift
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Speaker 7: the ban just in time to meet Presidents Trump's demands.
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Speaker 3: Look, this should be good news for all involved. Back
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Speaker 3: when the trade and tariff issues blew up, Albanezy should
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Speaker 3: have told the Americans straight away that we would review
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Speaker 3: the quarantine restrictions and get on with it. Clearly, Trump's
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Speaker 3: heavy handed and radical moves are all about extracting trade
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Speaker 3: concessions and progress, and while it's a sometimes crazy way.
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Speaker 2: To operate, you've got to deal with it and offer
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Speaker 2: the man something.
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Speaker 3: It seems that's what's happened here, even though the government
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Speaker 3: denies it. It should prove something of a breakthrough with
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Speaker 3: the Trump relationship, no doubt.
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Speaker 2: And the risks to our industry have.
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Speaker 3: To be incredibly small, given we're talking about meat products
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Speaker 3: produced and sold in the world's largest market, and also
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Speaker 3: given we're typically a beef exporter rather than importer. If
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Speaker 3: you look around the world at the moment, you might
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Speaker 3: decide that mad cow disease is perhaps less of a
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Speaker 3: threat than mad politicians disease from the troubled US relationship
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Speaker 3: to the worrisome but newly revived relationship with China.
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Speaker 2: You and I know which one is.
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Speaker 3: More important to this nation now and into the future,
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Speaker 3: But too many others seem keen to suck up to China,
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Speaker 3: the giant communist dictatorship. Primarily for mercantile reasons, of course,
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Speaker 3: but our security, regional security, and global security hinge much
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Speaker 3: more strongly on the United States not to mention the
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Speaker 3: international rules based order, the primacy of sovereign and democratic rights.
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Speaker 3: They don't call the US President the leader of the
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Speaker 3: free world for nothing, and of course, because of all
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Speaker 3: that we rely on the US for global prosperity and
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Speaker 3: the continuation of our own economic development.
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Speaker 2: It all works in tandem. In fact, the.
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Speaker 3: Great irony of superpower rivalry at the moment is that
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Speaker 3: China's economic rise could never have happened without the stability
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Speaker 3: that the US presidence in East Asia has delivered over
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Speaker 3: the post war period. Anyway, right on Q former Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister Scott Morrison has addressed a US Congressional inquiry into
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Speaker 3: the Chinese Communist Party, and he made his analysis very clear.
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Speaker 8: Rather than opening up their society during post Cold War globalization,
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Speaker 8: the CCP used China's newly granted access to global trade,
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Speaker 8: capital markets, and legitimacy international forums to build the economic, diplomatic,
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Speaker 8: technological and military capacity to one day challenge the global
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Speaker 8: order in an attempt to make it more favorable to
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Speaker 8: their regime security. That day is now.
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Speaker 3: Morrison explained that China's tariffs and trade bands on Australia
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Speaker 3: were an effort to punish shafts during his Prime ministership
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Speaker 3: for daring to call for transparency on the COVID nineteen pandemic,
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Speaker 3: and he outline how China had used the change of
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Speaker 3: government to Albanizi and Labor to reset the relationship.
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Speaker 8: This included abandoning their economic and diplomatic bullying and coercion
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Speaker 8: for more inductive engagement lace with charm and flattery. That said,
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Speaker 8: the PSD still continues to engage in intimidtry behavior by
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Speaker 8: their military against Australia when it suits them without remorse.
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Speaker 3: The former PM's clear eyed explanation there comes just as
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Speaker 3: one of Australia's richest men has gone into print with
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Speaker 3: gushing praise for China and the way Albanezi has been
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Speaker 3: embraced there. Andrew Twiggy Forrest is a multi billionaire on
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Speaker 3: the back of his iron ore exports to China, and
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Speaker 3: where you and I might see a strategic threat, he
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Speaker 3: sees a giant panda bear.
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Speaker 2: Stuffed with cash.
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Speaker 3: Forrest says he's worried we're trying to make an enemy
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Speaker 3: of China, writing in The Australian that China has not
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Speaker 3: just been a partner to me personally, but to the
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Speaker 3: company I founded, Fordeskew and to Australia as a whole.
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Speaker 2: He also made a big push for so.
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Speaker 3: Called green iron ore and green steel into the future.
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Speaker 3: It's time for Australia and China to show the world,
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Speaker 3: particularly my friends in North America, wrote Forest, what is
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Speaker 3: possible when respect triumphs over fear, and when ambition for
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Speaker 3: a world no longer reliant on fossil fuels triumphs over complacency. Wow,
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Speaker 3: Twiggy and she save the world. Hey, of course, we
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Speaker 3: don't want to ruin our relationship with China.
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Speaker 2: We want and need the trade.
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Speaker 3: But it's China that's bullied us economically and intimidated US militarily.
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Speaker 3: And Forest makes no attempt to explain that behavior. We
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Speaker 3: know what his motivations are likely to be, and.
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Speaker 2: Good good on him.
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Speaker 3: He's a fine businessman, but running a country is not
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Speaker 3: like running a business, and Morrison knows that. And he's
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Speaker 3: told the US Congress that the Australia US relationship is
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Speaker 3: a crucial counterbalance to China in our region.
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Speaker 8: There are many lessons from our experience. Above all, I
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Speaker 8: would highlight the need to never become casual about the
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Speaker 8: potential threat and to remain vigilant. And in the same
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Speaker 8: way that the CCP seeks to target our alliances and partnerships,
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Speaker 8: these same relationships must form the core of our shared response.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't be casual, don't be complacent, well said. These
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Speaker 3: are difficult times and our Benezi needs to manage both
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Speaker 3: of these crucial.
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Speaker 2: Relationships in the right fashion.
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Speaker 3: So far he looks like being an easy touch for Beijing,
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Speaker 3: but an outsider.
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Speaker 2: In Washington two hundred and.
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Speaker 9: Sixty one days ago, the American people elected a new president.
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Speaker 9: In that time, more than thirty world leaders have met
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Speaker 9: with the US president. Why has the Australian Prime minister
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Speaker 9: failed to meet with the US president? The United States
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Speaker 9: is our closest ally and two hundred and sixty one
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Speaker 9: days ago they elected a new president. Over that period,
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Speaker 9: the Prime Minister has spent more time making excuses for
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Speaker 9: unacceptable live firing exercises off Australia's coast than he has
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Speaker 9: spent in person with a USA as president. Following the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister's recent overseas travels, has he had a conversation
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Speaker 9: with the US president.
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Speaker 10: Will continue to put the case, but we'll also will
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Speaker 10: also as I have to President Trump, but we will
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Speaker 10: also do so in the full recognition that the America
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Speaker 10: First policy and ideology which has been promoted by the
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Speaker 10: Trump administration is clear. He regards to quote President Trump,
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Speaker 10: tariffs is the most beautiful word in the English language.
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Speaker 10: We have a very different position and will continue to
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Speaker 10: put it.
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Speaker 3: The answer to that question about whether or not he's
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Speaker 3: had a conversation would seem to be known. And later
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Speaker 3: the Defense Minister was again defending China over its circumnavigation
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Speaker 3: of our continent and the live firing exercises it conducted
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Speaker 3: without warning.
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Speaker 11: And I'm be a may if the opposition is actually
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Speaker 11: suggesting this, Who are asserting that the task group that
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Speaker 11: came around Australia and in the vicinity of Australia earlier
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Speaker 11: in the year, were any were anywhere else other than
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Speaker 11: in international waters, that is where they were now. If
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Speaker 11: the Shadow Minister is suggesting that that must not occur again,
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Speaker 11: I want to understand what standard it's being promoted by
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Speaker 11: those over there which would apply to Royal Australian Navy
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Speaker 11: vessels when they are in the South China Sea and
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Speaker 11: the East China Sea.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I dear that would seem to be an argument
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Speaker 3: Beijing would make Australias should say that open exercises with
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Speaker 3: our allies in the South China Sea aimed at ensuring
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Speaker 3: some of the world's most important and hotly contested shipping
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Speaker 3: routes remain open, a world away from slipping into the
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Speaker 3: Tasman Sea, the Quiet Waters between Australia and New Zealand
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Speaker 3: and getting into live firing exercises without warning without letting
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Speaker 3: us know. Chalk and cheese, but not to the Albanese government.
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Speaker 3: Apparently the US is bound to be worried by Labour's
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Speaker 3: apologetic attitude to China. Scott Morrison understands the dynamic as
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Speaker 3: the architect of Orcus deol aimed at curtailing any expansionist
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Speaker 3: Chinese aims. Perhaps at least now after Australia has thrown
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Speaker 3: some US beef onto the Barbie Albo and Trump can
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Speaker 3: get together. Maybe they could meet over a hearty Texas
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Speaker 3: seiraloin and thrash out some of the crucial trade and
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Speaker 3: security issues.
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Speaker 2: Our nations need to address. You never know.
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Speaker 3: That's got to camber now and catch up with the
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Speaker 3: former Deputy Prime Minister and former Nationals leader Michael McCormack.
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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Michael.
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Speaker 3: First up, But on China, who's right on the China relationship?
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Speaker 2: Twiggy Forest or Scott Morrison?
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Speaker 12: Scott Morrison every day of every week.
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Speaker 3: Does it worry you that Twiggy Forest?
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Speaker 2: Plainly, no, you can't and I would agree with you.
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Speaker 3: But does it worry you that Twiggy Forest makes such
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Speaker 3: a gushing attempt to smooth over any wrinkles in the
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Speaker 3: relationship with China? Or is that just what we're to
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Speaker 3: expect from a mining magnate.
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Speaker 12: Well, he's doing it to stuff his own money bags.
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Speaker 12: Let's face it, who who pays the piper calls the tune?
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Speaker 12: So you Twiggy's doing it to protect his own interest
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Speaker 12: to protect fortes Kew. I can sort of understand that,
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Speaker 12: but it's got to be Team Australia. It's got to
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Speaker 12: be Australia first. And whilst I appreciate China as our
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Speaker 12: largest trading partner and we need to do what we
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Speaker 12: need to do as far as making sure our agriculture
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Speaker 12: and mining exports are strong, there's no need to cowtow.
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Speaker 12: There's no need to cowtow, and Scott Morrison absolutely it today.
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Speaker 3: Now when it comes to theb and Easy government and
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Speaker 3: their troubles with the US surely opening up making it
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Speaker 3: easier for Chinese beef imports, something that the President himself
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Speaker 3: has spoken about publicly. It's obviously got under his skin.
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Speaker 3: Is this a promising move that suggests that the US
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Speaker 3: might want to do talk Turkey with us when it
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Speaker 3: comes to these tariff and trade the spits.
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Speaker 12: The timing is interesting, Chris, I'm not quite sure we
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Speaker 12: need American beef here, particularly American beef that has been
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Speaker 12: processed in Canada or indeed Mexico. I spoke to former
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Speaker 12: Senator Bill Hefnan today here reminded me of the time
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Speaker 12: not that long ago that they were burying beef from
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Speaker 12: Brazil for fear of mad cow disease brucellosis, and that
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Speaker 12: wasn't that long ago. We don't need to have our
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Speaker 12: biosecurity measures placed it in any risk because we do
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Speaker 12: that and we place our farmers at risk. The traceability,
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Speaker 12: as Bill reminded me, that's an interesting prospect when it
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Speaker 12: comes to importing beef from the Americas, and it's not
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Speaker 12: anywhere near up to the standard of our traceability, and
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Speaker 12: this is a great concern. Of course, Bill is a
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Speaker 12: long longsine friend of this place.
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Speaker 3: Sure we understand those concerns, but surely biosecurity Australia. We've
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Speaker 3: got to trust the government institutions that oversees these considerations.
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Speaker 3: So you're not questioning the fact that they would have
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Speaker 3: signed off on this.
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Speaker 12: Well, well may they have, but the minister is quick
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Speaker 12: to say it was the departmental decision. But ministers can
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Speaker 12: always say no, they don't have to just tick and
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Speaker 12: flick everything that comes into their intra. And I have
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Speaker 12: a horrible suspicion that that's what labor ministers do and
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Speaker 12: ministers have to run the Department's not the way around.
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Speaker 12: I have a horrible suspicion that Julie Collins maybe hasn't
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Speaker 12: quite looked at this as diligently as she may well
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Speaker 12: if there hasn't been any consultation. The first we heard
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Speaker 12: of it today was just plunked out into the media.
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Speaker 12: And we have to protect our farmers. They're under pressure
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Speaker 12: like never before with the unrealized capital gains, the superannuation situation,
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Speaker 12: whereas if their farmers tied up with their superannuation, their
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Speaker 12: succession planning has all gone awry. We have to protect
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Speaker 12: our farmers because of the role out of the renewable targets,
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Speaker 12: the wind towers going marking Regional Australia. You have to
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Speaker 12: protect them because they're having their water taken away from
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Speaker 12: them due to the Murray Darling Basin as supposed environmental gains.
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Speaker 12: Farmers have been are under pressure like never before. They're
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Speaker 12: paying high for their energy and here we have a
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Speaker 12: biosecurity risk and face, let's call it what it is.
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Speaker 12: It is a biosecurity risk. Now. I've got every faith
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Speaker 12: in our biosecurity Australia. I do, but are they properly read?
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 12: The National's leader, David little Proud as called for an
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Speaker 12: independent review of this today, and he's right.
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Speaker 2: To do that.
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Speaker 3: I just think that Alberanize, he should have been up
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Speaker 3: front of this as as soon as Trump mentioned this trade,
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Speaker 3: Albanese should have said, well, this is a biosecurity issue,
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Speaker 3: we'll look at it for you. We'll we'll re examine
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Speaker 3: it and get the experts to see if we can
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Speaker 3: relax the rules a bit. Rather than this, I mean,
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Speaker 3: he said nothing about it at the time, virtually just
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Speaker 3: dismissed it, just said this is the rules and they'll
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Speaker 3: stay in place. And now suddenly I think they've had
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Speaker 3: to think about it behind closed doors and come up
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Speaker 3: with this. But as you say, let's hope that everything
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Speaker 3: when purity risk is sticked off.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to be upfront about this. Now.
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Speaker 3: You and Barnaby Joyce have been making waves. You've been
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Speaker 3: making very coach and arguments against net zero. There's a
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Speaker 3: lot of international movement in this direction as well. Has
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Speaker 3: David Little Proud spoken to you? What sort of feedback
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Speaker 3: have you got back from him?
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Speaker 12: No, I'm not spoken to David, but I'm sticking up
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Speaker 12: for the people of bounding and buying along and Gregordo
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Speaker 12: and Maxwell and Manga Pla and Crookwell, and.
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Speaker 2: You've been everywhere, man, You've been everywhere.
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Speaker 3: I've heard that, and some of those places I know,
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Speaker 3: some of them I need to still get to. But
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Speaker 3: the point here is that you're a former National Party
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Speaker 3: leader and so is Barnaby Joyce. You've put up this
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Speaker 3: major policy issue, has been on the front page of
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Speaker 3: the paper, its dominated debate the last forty eight hours,
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Speaker 3: and your own leader hasn't spoken to you about it.
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Speaker 2: Have you tried to speak to him?
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Speaker 12: Ah, been busy enough. I've been busy talking to locals,
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Speaker 12: hearing their concerns, looking them in the eye and seeing
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Speaker 12: the anguish and the despair they're fraught with concern over this.
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Speaker 12: And of course being in Parliament it does restrict you
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Speaker 12: because there's a lot of things to do, a lot
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Speaker 12: of topics to speak on, and of course addressing the
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Speaker 12: media as I have been this we year this very
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Speaker 12: important topic.
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Speaker 2: But no, I'm not spoken to David. I'm not. That's
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Speaker 2: the question that I hadn't be.
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Speaker 3: It means you're all in the same building at the
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Speaker 3: same time. I find it staggering that you haven't spoken
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Speaker 3: about this, and it probably says something about some of
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Speaker 3: the tensions involved. Let's hope you and Barnaby and David
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Speaker 3: Little Proud and others can get together and talk about
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Speaker 3: it soon. Thanks for joining us, Michael, I appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Michael McCormack there, the former Deputy Prime minister, former Nationals leader.
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Speaker 3: Not too chatty with David Little Proud at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Now let's go back to some other issues that we've
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Speaker 3: been talking about, and that is the Federal government's Productivity roundtable.
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Speaker 3: It's now supposed to be an economic reform roundtable to
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Speaker 3: be held in the middle of next month. And as
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Speaker 3: I've been saying, it's gonna be just softening us up
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Speaker 3: for higher taxes.
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Speaker 2: That seems pretty clear.
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Speaker 3: But today the government led a small business round table
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Speaker 3: that sounds like a good idea. Amanda Rose, the founder
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Speaker 3: of Small Business Women Australia, was in the room and
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Speaker 3: she joins me live from Canberra as well.
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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Amanda.
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Speaker 3: Tell us about this roundtable, who initiated and how it
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Speaker 3: went today.
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Speaker 13: Well, the Minister for Small Business initiated along with Treasury,
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Speaker 13: and you know, I give her credit that she has
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Speaker 13: a passion for wanting change and to help small business.
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Speaker 13: But as we discuss the issues on resilience and productivity
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Speaker 13: and things like the ATO burden in the tax debt
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Speaker 13: for a lot of small businesses and tradees. And we
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Speaker 13: realize as we're talking, and you know, you only have
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Speaker 13: two and a half hours, that it pretty much could
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Speaker 13: have gone for a week, maybe a month, because the
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Speaker 13: issues and I believe it's because they've been ignored for
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Speaker 13: three years. I think this is first time that's something
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Speaker 13: productive has happened. But it's the beginning, and I think
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Speaker 13: it's going to take a very very long time for
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Speaker 13: anything to change.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 13: Mind you, this particular small business round table was a
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Speaker 13: feeder into the economic roundtable that's coming up, and I
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Speaker 13: think it needs to have more of a place in
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Speaker 13: the future in that economic round table in August. We
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Speaker 13: can't just have you know, one person or someone advocating
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Speaker 13: for what was discussed in the roundtable today because the
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Speaker 13: issues was so intense, and you talk about the pressures
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Speaker 13: on small business and the lack of desire for people
21:06
Speaker 13: to even invest in small business because of taxes and
21:09
Speaker 13: because of the cost of living pressures. So we have
21:12
Speaker 13: a massive mountain ahead and it was good to be involved.
21:16
Speaker 13: I was, you know, the only advocate also for female
21:19
Speaker 13: owned small businesses, and it's something that women are starting
21:22
Speaker 13: businesses faster than men, so we really need to be
21:24
Speaker 13: focusing on that, especially their financial security. But it's a
21:28
Speaker 13: little sparkle of hope that I hopefully doesn't get put
21:32
Speaker 13: out at the next economic reform.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:36
Speaker 3: Well, I'll put my political cynicism to one side for
21:39
Speaker 3: a moment, because if this is done as a feeder
21:41
Speaker 3: into that round table on productivity, then that's one good
21:44
Speaker 3: thing that's probably come out of it. Because you've been
21:47
Speaker 3: in this space in small business for many years and
21:50
Speaker 3: in the first term of the Albernezi government, you never
21:52
Speaker 3: had any inquiry for your ideas like this.
21:56
Speaker 2: You never had anything similar to this then did you?
21:59
Speaker 13: Absolutely not completely ignored And that's why I was so
22:03
Speaker 13: excited to see minister who was passionate and very excited
22:07
Speaker 13: to make a difference, you know, and wanted practical solutions
22:11
Speaker 13: and you know, not just motherhood statements.
22:13
Speaker 2: And that was very inspiring for me to hear.
22:16
Speaker 13: But also they want submissions and they want to input
22:20
Speaker 13: Treasury and the Minister Small Business said, tell us what
22:23
Speaker 13: it needs to happen and be very specific about that
22:26
Speaker 13: and I think that is powerful. Instead of just complaining,
22:28
Speaker 13: which you know, we can get into the habit of doing.
22:31
Speaker 13: Tell us what needs to happen, like procurement opportunities for
22:33
Speaker 13: small business, which for the past three years has been
22:36
Speaker 13: completely ignored.
22:38
Speaker 3: We're nearly out of time, but just quickly getting rid
22:40
Speaker 3: of red tape, reducing electricity prices and not putting on
22:44
Speaker 3: any new taxes.
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Speaker 2: Did you manage to make those points? I did.
22:48
Speaker 13: And also more procurement opportunities. So if all these government
22:51
Speaker 13: spending make sure small business get a piece of the pie.
22:54
Speaker 3: Go to small business. Yes, it's not all about the
22:56
Speaker 3: big guys. Thanks for joining us, Amanda really appreciated this.
22:59
Speaker 3: Some good news coming out of Canberra. The government finally
23:02
Speaker 3: after more than three years, deciding I might be worth
23:04
Speaker 3: listening to small business.
23:06
Speaker 2: Good lord.
23:07
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break former Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
23:10
Speaker 3: I have more to say about what he's been warning
23:12
Speaker 3: the world about Beijing. I'll speak to the former Foreign
23:15
Speaker 3: Minister Alexander Denham. Now, as I said at the top
23:21
Speaker 3: of the program, former Prime Minister Scott Morrison has delivered
23:26
Speaker 3: his thoughts, shared his thoughts with a US Congressional inquiry
23:30
Speaker 3: into the Chinese Communist Party, and he's warned people about
23:34
Speaker 3: the rise of China and its strategic intent, and he's
23:37
Speaker 3: talked about the importance of the US Australia relationship in
23:41
Speaker 3: being a counterbalance to China in the East Asia region.
23:45
Speaker 2: Here's some of Scott Morrison in Washington.
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Speaker 8: That is an objective of the CCP that Western democracies
23:54
Speaker 8: will go to sleep on the threat.
23:58
Speaker 3: Let's go to former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer who joins
24:01
Speaker 3: us live from London.
24:02
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you.
24:03
Speaker 3: As ever, Alexander, you would have seen that these comments
24:06
Speaker 3: from Scott Morrison, and probably I would have thought, consider
24:10
Speaker 3: that there are very timely words of wisdom given the
24:13
Speaker 3: current situation.
24:15
Speaker 14: So yes, I think what he said was very sensible.
24:19
Speaker 14: I mean, of course, we have to deal with China.
24:22
Speaker 14: We have to coexist with China. We need to understand that.
24:26
Speaker 14: But on the other hand, we need to be realistic
24:29
Speaker 14: about what China's intentions are. It wants to diminish the
24:34
Speaker 14: importance and the influence in international affairs of liberal democratic states,
24:40
Speaker 14: in particular led by the United States, and that ambition
24:45
Speaker 14: of China's has to be counted and we counter it
24:50
Speaker 14: through our network of alliances which all link up with
24:53
Speaker 14: each other, and in the Indo Pacific region in particular
24:58
Speaker 14: the US alliances with Australia in Japan. Importantly, these counterbalance
25:05
Speaker 14: the weight of China, the influence of China, and underline
25:11
Speaker 14: the need for peace in the region. You'll only achieve
25:15
Speaker 14: peace in the region on peace globally for that matter,
25:19
Speaker 14: if there's a proper balance of power. So we have
25:23
Speaker 14: to try to understand that, get our heads around that
25:26
Speaker 14: rather than thinking my old time were China invade Australia
25:31
Speaker 14: or something like that. That's not really the point. The
25:33
Speaker 14: point is we need to make sure there's a balance
25:37
Speaker 14: of power in the Indo Pacific region.
25:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well articulated.
25:43
Speaker 3: And this looked the yin and the yang of this
25:45
Speaker 3: played out today because you had Twiggy Forests basically saying,
25:49
Speaker 3: don't treat to.
25:50
Speaker 2: China as an enemy.
25:51
Speaker 3: We all want to be friends and we're all going
25:53
Speaker 3: to be bathed in enriches, in prosperity if we do so.
25:57
Speaker 3: But he's ignoring the reality of what's been playing out,
26:00
Speaker 3: some of the intimidation through trade and military exercises, also
26:05
Speaker 3: the massive military buildup of China and also what she
26:09
Speaker 3: seeing himself has been saying about China's aspirations.
26:14
Speaker 14: I think Twiggy Forrest may have a conflict of interest here.
26:18
Speaker 14: Here's a man who's literally made billions of dollars out
26:21
Speaker 14: of exporting to China, so he would say that, and
26:25
Speaker 14: I'm not criticizing him for it, but it's a conflict
26:28
Speaker 14: of interest. Look, we need to be realistic about this.
26:33
Speaker 14: We course, we need to deal with China and trade
26:36
Speaker 14: with China, but I mean, I just repeat, we need
26:40
Speaker 14: a balance of power. Without that balance of power, then
26:44
Speaker 14: the international as well as the regional security situation could
26:49
Speaker 14: completely collapse if there wasn't a balance of power. What
26:53
Speaker 14: would China do in the South China Sea, which it
26:56
Speaker 14: claims is its own. What would happen to relations between
27:00
Speaker 14: China and Vietnam, China and the Philippines, What would happen
27:04
Speaker 14: to Taiwan, What would happen to Japan? These are real
27:10
Speaker 14: questions of uncertainty. So instead of talking to Twiggy Forest,
27:16
Speaker 14: may make some sense to talk to people like the
27:18
Speaker 14: foreign minister of a country like India and get a
27:23
Speaker 14: geopolitical perspective from somebody like that who's worried about China
27:28
Speaker 14: asserting its power and likewise needs to understand the need
27:33
Speaker 14: for a balance of power to keep the peace.
27:37
Speaker 3: Now there's been a big breakthrough when it comes to
27:39
Speaker 3: trade between Australia and the US on not a massive
27:44
Speaker 3: trade industry, I suppose, but certainly one that's been very
27:47
Speaker 3: much a sow point with President Donald Trump. But let
27:52
Speaker 3: me show you what the Trade Minister Don Ferrells had
27:55
Speaker 3: to say about this today.
27:57
Speaker 2: We don't link.
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Speaker 6: Security issues with trade issues, the separate issues.
28:04
Speaker 3: Now, you've had a lot of experience with these non
28:08
Speaker 3: tariff barriers, as they say, in the trade game, where
28:11
Speaker 3: there's been scientific decisions against various imports into Australia. Has
28:16
Speaker 3: this decision do you think does it smack of a
28:19
Speaker 3: proper biosecurity science decision or is this political science at play?
28:26
Speaker 2: Exactly?
28:26
Speaker 14: This is very obviously political science. I mean, either we
28:32
Speaker 14: take seriously our biosecurity regime or we don't, and I
28:37
Speaker 14: think we're somewhere between the two. We do use it
28:42
Speaker 14: for political reasons. It's sometimes used as a form of protectionism.
28:46
Speaker 14: I can remember in my time as the Foreign Minister
28:49
Speaker 14: of the New Zealander is complaining because biosecurity advice was
28:54
Speaker 14: to ban the import of apples from New Zealand. Well,
28:58
Speaker 14: you know, it was a big political issue I remember,
29:03
Speaker 14: including in my own electorate. The apple producers didn't want
29:09
Speaker 14: competition from New Zealand, so biosecurity was used to try
29:13
Speaker 14: to keep New Zealand apples out.
29:16
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know the.
29:17
Speaker 14: Background to the bee fissue American beefissue, but it smells
29:22
Speaker 14: very much like politics at play here, and a measure
29:26
Speaker 14: that the government's now taken to appears the Trump administration.
29:32
Speaker 3: We will see whether throwing another sulo and on the
29:34
Speaker 3: barbie works in that relationship. Good to talk to you again, Alexander.
29:38
Speaker 3: Will catch up again next week.
29:40
Speaker 2: I got to take a break.
29:41
Speaker 3: On the other side, we're going to talk about the
29:42
Speaker 3: deceptive media coverage of the Garzan War and the influence
29:46
Speaker 3: of Katari broadcaster Al Jazeera.
29:49
Speaker 2: I'll speak to a former insider.
29:55
Speaker 3: Let's go back to Canberra now, where there's been a
29:57
Speaker 3: bit of a kerfuffle this afternoon.
29:59
Speaker 2: I'm joined by Mikaylia Cash.
30:00
Speaker 3: He's the Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister, joining us of course
30:03
Speaker 3: from our Canberra bureau.
30:04
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again. Michaylia right.
30:06
Speaker 3: I had to have a bit of a staushon here,
30:08
Speaker 3: a respectful debate, if you like, with Pauline Hanson last
30:11
Speaker 3: night about the One Nation senators turning their backs on
30:15
Speaker 3: yesterday's Welcome to Country.
30:17
Speaker 2: I believe there's been a bit of an argument, a.
30:20
Speaker 3: Bit of a kerfuffle this afternoon about this, and you
30:22
Speaker 3: got involved because of some criticism that was directed at
30:26
Speaker 3: your colleague, Senator just into Namba Jimpa Price. So I
30:29
Speaker 3: haven't seen the footage. I'm relying on you to tell
30:31
Speaker 3: us what unfolded.
30:34
Speaker 15: Well, what should have been statements made in relation to
30:39
Speaker 15: Senator Hanson and One Nation turning their backs on the
30:42
Speaker 15: president during the Welcome to Country, which I've made clear
30:45
Speaker 15: to Senator Hanson and she accepts is inappropriate. Unfortunately, became
30:53
Speaker 15: a debate in relation to whether or not a welcome
30:56
Speaker 15: to country is appropriate. Senator Melanie McCarthy put Labour's point
31:01
Speaker 15: of view articulately. Senator Waters, the Greens, Senator Paul Enhanson,
31:05
Speaker 15: won nations, and then Senator just sent an Amber jimper
31:09
Speaker 15: Price articulately and through lived experience, gave her opinion that
31:16
Speaker 15: should have been the end of the matter, Chris. But
31:18
Speaker 15: Senator Wong, as leader of the government, decided that she
31:21
Speaker 15: would be the last speaker and sought to dismiss Senator
31:25
Speaker 15: just Sin to Namba Jimper's Price Price's view, I will
31:29
Speaker 15: not stand for that, Senator just sind An Amber Jimper's
31:33
Speaker 15: Price opinion in relation to whether or not a welcome
31:38
Speaker 15: to country is appropriate is as relevant as any other senators.
31:44
Speaker 2: So let me be clear.
31:46
Speaker 15: I will defend Senator to center Nampa Jimper Price and
31:50
Speaker 15: the right to her opinion every single.
31:53
Speaker 2: Day of the week. I will not allow anyone.
32:00
Speaker 15: Hit from the left.
32:03
Speaker 2: To see to give me.
32:03
Speaker 3: I've had plenty of debates so and plenty of debates
32:07
Speaker 3: with just Into myself. We are good mates and I
32:10
Speaker 3: have an almost respect for her and I'll always defend
32:12
Speaker 3: her right too. But we do have a Do you
32:14
Speaker 3: have a clip here of you defending those rights in
32:17
Speaker 3: the Senate the South?
32:20
Speaker 15: Do not ever demean anybody, Senator just Into nampajimp Price.
32:25
Speaker 15: Her mother's story best Price. I suggest you all read it.
32:31
Speaker 15: A woman walking through the desert was her mother who
32:35
Speaker 15: had her baby between her legs under a tree. She
32:40
Speaker 15: picked up that baby. She cut the umbilical cord, and
32:43
Speaker 15: she kept walking. I suggest you read the story of
32:47
Speaker 15: Best Price before you ever come in here and cast
32:52
Speaker 15: dispersions or tell us Senator Wong to respect. Other words,
32:58
Speaker 15: I will stand by and respect Senator just Sent and
33:01
Speaker 15: Dampa jimper Price, who every day has lived and breathed
33:05
Speaker 15: reconciliation in this country. Her father is white, her mother
33:10
Speaker 15: is black. So please don't ever come into this place
33:14
Speaker 15: again and pontificate to us.
33:20
Speaker 3: Well, that is extraordinary and impressive stuff, Michaulia Cash. If
33:23
Speaker 3: I say so, that's the first time I've seen that
33:25
Speaker 3: as well. Now, as I said before, I know Justinta
33:27
Speaker 3: very well. I know Best Price as well, and you're
33:29
Speaker 3: absolutely right. They're just wonderful people and of course their
33:33
Speaker 3: views on these issues that should should not be questioned.
33:36
Speaker 3: That they are as validive as anybody else as if
33:39
Speaker 3: not more so. It's a pity that we see so
33:42
Speaker 3: much politics brought into a debate like this.
33:44
Speaker 2: But that's how it unfolded.
33:46
Speaker 3: Thanks for sharing your perspective on that one with us.
33:50
Speaker 3: We might try and catch up with just into next week.
33:52
Speaker 3: I want to move back onto the foreign policy, your
33:54
Speaker 3: portfolio area, and it was quite telling today that the
33:58
Speaker 3: opposition leader Susan really focused on Anthony Albanese's inability to
34:03
Speaker 3: get a meeting with President Donald Trump.
34:06
Speaker 2: There were a number of questions on this. Here's a recap.
34:09
Speaker 9: Two hundred and sixty one days ago, the American people
34:12
Speaker 9: elected a new president. In that time, more than thirty
34:15
Speaker 9: world leaders have met with the US president. Why has
34:19
Speaker 9: the Australian Prime minister failed to meet with the US president?
34:25
Speaker 3: It sure is becoming a political embarrassment for Anthony ALBERIZI
34:28
Speaker 3: how much damage is it doing to our country do
34:31
Speaker 3: you think, Michaulia cash.
34:34
Speaker 15: Well, I'm very concerned that the in particular the US
34:38
Speaker 15: Australia Alliance, which, as you know, that has been the
34:40
Speaker 15: foundation of Australia's security Chris for over seventy years.
34:45
Speaker 2: I mean the United.
34:45
Speaker 15: States, they are the leader of the free world to
34:48
Speaker 15: which Australia proudly belongs. Our presidence in Washington today, in
34:54
Speaker 15: twenty twenty five should be stronger than ever. We should
34:58
Speaker 15: be doing everything that we can to support and enhance
35:02
Speaker 15: the alliance, not put it on the back burner like
35:05
Speaker 15: Albanzi appears to have done. I mean, it is now
35:08
Speaker 15: being said you know, is mister Alberansi deliberately, for reasons
35:13
Speaker 15: only known to himself, seeking to undermined or diminish the
35:17
Speaker 15: Australia United States alliances. Mister Alberansi consistently Chris tells people
35:23
Speaker 15: we are in you know, times of global uncertainty and
35:27
Speaker 15: growing conflict. Well, Chris, isn't that when you actually stand
35:31
Speaker 15: side by side with the United States when it comes
35:35
Speaker 15: to ensuring the security of Australians and our nation and
35:40
Speaker 15: you don't put the foundation of our national security that
35:45
Speaker 15: US Australia alliance on the back burner two hundred and
35:48
Speaker 15: sixty one days. Quite frankly, it's no longer an embarrassment.
35:53
Speaker 15: It is now becoming negligent.
35:57
Speaker 3: Well, I think it shows that Australia is not treated
35:59
Speaker 3: as a serious player at the moment because on the
36:02
Speaker 3: back of a six day trip to China and meetings
36:06
Speaker 3: with Jijiping of course, and also the premier and other
36:11
Speaker 3: significant figures in China, if the relationship was in good
36:15
Speaker 3: shape with the US, and if Australia's role in the
36:18
Speaker 3: region was respected as it used to be, the first
36:21
Speaker 3: thing Donald Trump and his dominions would want to do
36:24
Speaker 3: is to meet with Australia and get our download on
36:28
Speaker 3: what occurred in Beijing. But they obviously don't care because
36:30
Speaker 3: they don't think Albanese's a serious player.
36:34
Speaker 15: Well, I think what's also concerning is obviously that there
36:37
Speaker 15: are other countries who have been actively seeking meetings with
36:41
Speaker 15: President Trump because they know they need to be face
36:44
Speaker 15: to face with this particular president. They have now successfully
36:47
Speaker 15: negotiated trade deals for their own countries. So in other words,
36:52
Speaker 15: they have said, we are going to interbat as the
36:55
Speaker 15: leader of our countries for our people. They have successfully
36:59
Speaker 15: negotiated the deals. And meanwhile mister Alberanzi sits back and
37:03
Speaker 15: it's almost now Chris a laxa daisial approach. But what
37:06
Speaker 15: I think worries me even more about his trip to China.
37:09
Speaker 2: And like you and I, I mean, we both want.
37:11
Speaker 15: Australia to have a strong trading relationship with China. But
37:15
Speaker 15: mister Alberizi was even dismissed there by the leadership in
37:20
Speaker 15: in Beijing. He raises or he says he raises concerns
37:24
Speaker 15: in relation to the circumnavigation of Australia by Chinese Communist
37:28
Speaker 15: Party lavyships. He says he raises concerns in relation to
37:34
Speaker 15: the live fire exercises near our civilian airspace. They're not
37:39
Speaker 15: just dismissed, Chris. Let's be clear here, They're not just dismissed,
37:43
Speaker 15: which is embarrassing within itself. A statement is made by
37:48
Speaker 15: the leadership in Beijing, but they'll conduct circumnavigations wherever.
37:54
Speaker 2: And whenever they want.
37:56
Speaker 15: So the six days, as I say said recently, I
38:01
Speaker 15: mean the Chinese Communist Party would have been incredibly happy
38:05
Speaker 15: with the way this trip has turned out.
38:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for popping over a big boy, handsome boy.
38:11
Speaker 3: We'll keep doing as we please.
38:12
Speaker 2: Now. Obviously this biosecurity.
38:14
Speaker 3: Decision is there's a bit of politics involved in that
38:17
Speaker 3: and trying to get it an audience with Donald Trump
38:20
Speaker 3: will follow that.
38:20
Speaker 2: Up next time we catch up.
38:22
Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Senator I appreciate it.
38:27
Speaker 3: Senator Mikhaylia Cash there who leads the coalition in the
38:32
Speaker 3: Senate and was able to bring you that breaking news
38:34
Speaker 3: of her passionate exchange. They're in defense of Senator just
38:39
Speaker 3: into Nampa, jimper Price, not that just needs anyone else
38:42
Speaker 3: to defend her, but it was pretty passionate argument.
38:45
Speaker 2: As you just saw. We're going to get to a break.
38:47
Speaker 3: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
38:48
Speaker 3: Tim Blair and James Bolt. One of the things we'll
38:51
Speaker 3: discussed is this wild radio that Parliament has become this week.
38:58
Speaker 2: Why don't we wrap up.
38:59
Speaker 3: We've been a busy week around the country and of
39:02
Speaker 3: course in Parliament this week with Tim Blair from the
39:05
Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph.
39:06
Speaker 2: He joins us from the Wimmera.
39:07
Speaker 3: In western Victoria and also James Bolt, Sky News contributor.
39:10
Speaker 2: Welcome to the program. James joining us from Sydney.
39:14
Speaker 3: I'm hosting from the Gold Coast tonight for no particular reason,
39:17
Speaker 3: but we'll get on with the.
39:18
Speaker 2: Show, guys.
39:20
Speaker 3: I think when we started this first week of parliament
39:22
Speaker 3: for the second term of the Albert Easy Labor government,
39:25
Speaker 3: Tim the last thing we would have expected that it
39:27
Speaker 3: was going to be dominated by rural coalition MP's talking
39:31
Speaker 3: about steers and bulls and whatnot. In fact that it's
39:34
Speaker 3: all started by I reckon he be your local MP.
39:37
Speaker 3: Wouldn't need Dan ten if not very nearby.
39:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's nearby. But I think we need
39:43
Speaker 1: more of this. I think we need more rule related
39:46
Speaker 1: and especially cattle and beef related and you know, let's
39:51
Speaker 1: branch out, let's get into the sheep and mutton fields.
39:54
Speaker 1: It's certainly a lot more entertaining than a certain other
39:57
Speaker 1: type of ball we hear often spoken of in parliam.
40:02
Speaker 2: Yeah.
40:02
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Well, I'll all started off, of course because Barnaby
40:06
Speaker 3: Joyce and Michael McCormack, two former National Party leaders to
40:10
Speaker 3: former deputy prime ministers, made all the running on net zero.
40:14
Speaker 3: They want the Coalition and the Nationals to go to
40:17
Speaker 3: get rid of the net zero policy, and Dan Te
40:20
Speaker 3: and the Liberal Front bencher tried to stay out of
40:23
Speaker 3: it with this reference.
40:26
Speaker 1: When two steers are fighting in the neighbors paddock, let them,
40:29
Speaker 1: let them fight, you, let the owner know and they'll
40:32
Speaker 1: sort all that out.
40:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, And James Michael McCormack was the first to react
40:38
Speaker 3: to that. He says, oh, no, steer, give me a break.
40:39
Speaker 3: Steers have been golded for one of a better word.
40:42
Speaker 3: I'm still virilely said.
40:46
Speaker 2: Yeah.
40:46
Speaker 16: I like the idea of Barnaby Joyce working his way
40:49
Speaker 16: through different barnyard animals to impersonate over the course of
40:52
Speaker 16: media interviews. But thank goodness for Barnaby Joyce, because like Chris,
40:56
Speaker 16: you're a good interviewer. But so many politicians come on
40:59
Speaker 16: this now work and I swear to goodness I could
41:02
Speaker 16: write out the word for where the answers. They're going
41:04
Speaker 16: to give every question before they say it. It's just
41:08
Speaker 16: cookie cutter kind of politics. Barnaby Joyce comes on and
41:12
Speaker 16: does bullhorns. I mean, you can't beat that, you can't
41:15
Speaker 16: plan for it, you can't script it. That's television. He's
41:18
Speaker 16: one of the only politicians.
41:19
Speaker 2: That gets that. And I'll tell you why.
41:21
Speaker 16: Like we are debating, you know, can we get a
41:24
Speaker 16: reprief from Trump's tariffs? Can we get our beef exports done?
41:27
Speaker 16: Just send Barnaby Joyce over there. You talk about someone
41:30
Speaker 16: that Trump's going to connect with, someone's like this guy
41:33
Speaker 16: gets how you break through the noise. Barnaby Joyce, You're
41:39
Speaker 16: a spot on.
41:40
Speaker 3: Not only does he do all that, he makes the
41:42
Speaker 3: point he cuts through and today on Sky News, not
41:46
Speaker 3: only did he give us the bullhorns. I think he
41:48
Speaker 3: talked about testicles being removed.
41:50
Speaker 2: Here it is let's reprise this. It is beautiful when
41:54
Speaker 2: people say that from the country get it right.
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Speaker 4: Steers don't fight. We cars straight them, so they don't
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Speaker 4: right stairs have their testicles removed, and they said, happily
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Speaker 4: in the paddock and eat grass, getting as fat as
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Speaker 4: possible so I can jam a minor truck and get
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Speaker 4: paid money. Bulls bulls fight right, and you know you
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Speaker 4: stay away from the bulls.
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Speaker 2: He spot ons him.
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Speaker 3: That's why people in your parts in the winter and
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Speaker 3: tell the kids to stay out of the bull paddock.
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Speaker 1: I tell you, like James, is entirely right. If you
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Speaker 1: don't know what someone's going to say, that is television.
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Speaker 1: That's really what you're hoping for. But I'd add to
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Speaker 1: I'd add to what Barnaby Joyce is saying about. You know,
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Speaker 1: people getting it wrong in regard to farm animals. They
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Speaker 1: also get it wrong, you know, us city folk and
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Speaker 1: I include myself in that, in that cohort, even though
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Speaker 1: I do now live in the country. But city folk
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Speaker 1: always get things wrong when we talk about firearms, and
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Speaker 1: it drives people in the country crazy that we don't
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Speaker 1: know the difference and it's pretty basic between a rifle
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Speaker 1: and again, and things like that speak to a very
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Speaker 1: big city company divide in Australia that I think it's
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Speaker 1: it's it's never going to be breached again. I think
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Speaker 1: we're I think we've gone too far, and there's a
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Speaker 1: there's no way we can marry those two groups entirely
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Speaker 1: gain speaking different languages.
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Speaker 3: Really, it's it's sad they wouldn't know their Freisians from
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Speaker 3: their Herefords would day it's a it's it's a problem.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the US. It's got to US politics.
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Speaker 3: And I got to get to this Epstein stuff because
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Speaker 3: it's getting very very interesting.
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Speaker 2: Let's start off in these comments.
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Speaker 3: I think it was last week, certainly very recently, where
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, surprisingly, given that his people have pushed a
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Speaker 3: lot of stuff on the on the Epstein saga over
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Speaker 3: many years.
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Speaker 2: He sort of said that why is anybody interested in
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Speaker 2: this anymore? Have a look, he's dead for a long time.
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Speaker 2: He was never a big factor in terms of life.
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Speaker 5: I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstey case would be
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Speaker 5: of interest to anybody.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty boring stuff.
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Speaker 2: It's sorted, but it's boring.
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Speaker 3: Now. That was kind of surprising, wasn't at James the
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Speaker 3: start of people started all.
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Speaker 2: The talk in America and around the world.
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Speaker 3: Maybe Donald Trump had something to hide if he doesn't
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Speaker 3: want all this information out there.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, and I just like, I don't see it that
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Speaker 16: we see the report today that he's mentioned in the
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Speaker 16: Epstein files and people go, oh, that's that's huge Epstein fast,
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Speaker 16: But that's not the list that people keep on clamoring about.
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Speaker 16: It's an own goal in this sense, because you know
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Speaker 16: when you're Pambonda and you say, Okay, it's sitting on
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Speaker 16: my desk, I'm getting to it, and then the administration
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Speaker 16: comes out and goes it never existed to begin with.
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Speaker 16: Trump's got a lot of anger that he's sending towards
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Speaker 16: the mainstream media about how they're reporting this. The anger
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Speaker 16: should go on Pambonda like Pambondi, because how did she
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Speaker 16: put the administration in a position where they have to
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Speaker 16: defend themselves every day about this?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is bizarre.
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Speaker 3: But let me just take you through another couple of
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Speaker 3: aspects of this, which I think get cut.
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Speaker 2: To the chase.
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Speaker 3: One of this is is some interview that's been that's
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Speaker 3: been released, part of it that's been released from Jeffrey
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Speaker 3: Epstein's brother Mark Epstein, that people are saying points the
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Speaker 3: finger of blame suspicion at Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: Have listened.
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Speaker 17: They were very close, they were good friends. Jeffery used
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Speaker 17: to sometimes tell me things that Donald said that were funny.
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Speaker 17: It's documented that Donald flew on Jeff's plain a number
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Speaker 17: of times. I don't know if they ever checked, but
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Speaker 17: I know Jeff flew on Donald's plane also, I don't
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Speaker 17: know if they've ever looked at his flight logs. And
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Speaker 17: there were no O good friends.
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Speaker 3: Now, this is the knew each other. Everybody knows they
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Speaker 3: knew each other. Tim, That's not a crime. And I
45:35
Speaker 3: thought Mick Mulvaney, the form of White House Chief of
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Speaker 3: Staff under Donald Trump, made an absolutely telling point on
45:41
Speaker 3: Scott used this morning, have a look.
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Speaker 18: If there was anything really really bad about Donald Trump
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Speaker 18: in these files, anything that would incriminate him, associated him
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Speaker 18: with the criminal behavior, you know, subjective to charges and
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Speaker 18: so forth, we would have heard about it by Now.
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Speaker 18: Keep in mind this file was in the hands of
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Speaker 18: the Biden Democrat Department of Justice for four years. I
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Speaker 18: think there's very very important, famous rich Democrats who are implicated,
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Speaker 18: and very very important, rich famous Republicans were implicated.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably a good reason to, you know, dial
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Speaker 3: down the hysteria, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: Tim. I think the Dems would have got it out
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Speaker 2: if it was there.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and also the fact that this is another
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Speaker 1: Trump scandal, and we all know by now the pattern
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Speaker 1: that happens with Trump scandals. Oh, this is huge, the
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Speaker 1: end of the world. Trump, He's done for now. We've
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Speaker 1: been hearing for nearly ten years, and then nothing, nothing happens.
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Speaker 1: And it's exactly the reverse occurs with the media. Friends
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Speaker 1: of the Democrat Party. Oh no, nothing to see here,
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Speaker 1: nothing to see here, until there is. It always ends
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Speaker 1: up as a scandal. You know, when you get the
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Speaker 1: reverse seat with Joe Biden, it is reverse. His reign
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Speaker 1: is great, he's terrific, and then it turns out, no,
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Speaker 1: he's a basket case.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's spot of Now just back to a
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Speaker 3: very old fashioned politic issue, James Albo saying he's going
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Speaker 3: to freeze the tax on beer, which is very high
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Speaker 3: to start with.
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Speaker 2: Is anybody going to give him any plaudits for this.
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Speaker 16: Well, no, because he's freezing the tax increase, he's not
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Speaker 16: lowering taxes. There's so much of the no, exactly, Yeah,
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Speaker 16: it's so much of the price of alcohol right now
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Speaker 16: is loaded up in taxes. But if Albin Easy thinks
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Speaker 16: that we're just going to go, Hey, the price of
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Speaker 16: a beer is just still unaffordable rather than more unaffordable,
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Speaker 16: then no one's going to give him credit for that one.
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Speaker 2: Yes, spot On, spot On. Indeed, just the wench of
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Speaker 2: the word beer at this time on a.
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Speaker 3: Friday night reminds me that I'm about forty five minutes
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Speaker 3: away from one.
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Speaker 2: I reckon.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for him, Blair and James Bolt appreciate it. I'll
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Speaker 3: be watching Sky News, of course, but I'm up here
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Speaker 3: on the Gold Coast. I'm going to whip my whistle
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Speaker 3: at some stage.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. Look, just before we go, I've
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Speaker 2: got some.
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Speaker 3: Time for your feedback from last night. What I had
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Speaker 3: to say about zero when one viewer says I just
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Speaker 3: drove past twenty six wind turbines.
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Speaker 2: Not one was operating.
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Speaker 3: They're all just mammoth and expensive bird purchase. Yes, spot On,
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Speaker 3: that is often the case. Thanks so much for joining
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Speaker 3: me this week.
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Speaker 2: I'll be back next week or Monday night at five o'clock.
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