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Role Models, Rivalries & Redemption | Gilbert Arenas x Joy Taylor · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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  Speaker 1: If you was a crack kad in the eighties, God
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  Speaker 1: damn it, you was a crack kid in the eighties,
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  Speaker 1: and you want to be the president of day Okay, cool.
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  Speaker 2: At this very important moment in the league's timeline, they
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  Speaker 2: have to stand firm on this because they have the
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  Speaker 2: most attention coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Stop asking for revenue split. What you want is take
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  Speaker 1: off the hard cap. Let the billionaire's Eagles kick in.
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  Speaker 3: So we're gonna try this for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: Got slap Last time I said that we're gonna try
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  Speaker 1: this for the first time and bringing the whole nother
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  Speaker 1: girl that didn't work out too well.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome you too. Personal I'm Joy Taylor. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for joining us again. If you haven't already, make sure
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  Speaker 2: that you hit subscribe. Very exciting show today. Gilbert's Arenas
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  Speaker 2: is joining the show today.
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  Speaker 3: My boy Gil he is.
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  Speaker 2: He's a good friend and he's a great streamer and
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  Speaker 2: former NBA.
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  Speaker 3: Player and has a lot to say.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, you can check him out on Gil's Arena
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  Speaker 2: and No Chill Battle Mode. Very excited to talk to
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  Speaker 2: him and we get into a lot of different things.
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  Speaker 2: But first let's get started with the white woman that
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  Speaker 2: has swept the internet once again, Sidney Sweeney.
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  Speaker 3: So if you haven't heard, because you.
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  Speaker 2: Haven't been anywhere on any television or any source of
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  Speaker 2: the internet anywhere in the world, Sidney Sweeney is in
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  Speaker 2: the headlines again. She has appeared in an American Eagle ad
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  Speaker 2: campaign that portrays the message Sidney Sweeney has great genes.
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  Speaker 2: She said, her jeans are blue, her eyes are blue.
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  Speaker 2: And it's sparked a debate on the Internet about eugenics. So,
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  Speaker 2: while I was traveling the world being a you know,
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  Speaker 2: cultured human, I believe, I believe I was in Lisbon,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, could have been my worko when I
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  Speaker 2: saw this, don't remember. But I'm scrolling, you know, at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the night, after my very cultural activities,
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  Speaker 2: and see that everyone is very upset about this ad.
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  Speaker 2: So I watched the ad and I gotta tell you,
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  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about what this was woman
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  Speaker 2: is talking about. And there's nothing that Sidney Sweeney could
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  Speaker 2: do on the face of Beyonce's earth to convince me
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  Speaker 2: that I need to look like her.
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  Speaker 3: Not a single thing. Now, There's nothing she could do.
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  Speaker 2: There's no one that she could fuck, there's nothing that
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  Speaker 2: she could say there's no type of mascara she could
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  Speaker 2: put on, There's no pair of blue jeans that she
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  Speaker 2: could slide up her little waist that would make me
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  Speaker 2: feel like I am inferior physically to Sidney Sweeney. Now, listen,
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  Speaker 2: I think Sidney Sweeney is an adorable girl. I think
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  Speaker 2: she has some looks about her, and she's clearly very controversial.
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  Speaker 2: But when it comes to the overall reaction that we
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  Speaker 2: have for these things, and by we, I mean, let's
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  Speaker 2: just say people who aren't maga, because that's what this
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  Speaker 2: is really about, right, This is a reaction from the
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  Speaker 2: left to an ad that seemingly endorses the idea that
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  Speaker 2: Sidney Sweeney, a white, blonde, blue eyed woman, is the
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  Speaker 2: standard for having good genes, not blue gens obviously, with
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  Speaker 2: genes passed down from parents, so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason why people have upset, obviously is the
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  Speaker 2: implication of that.
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  Speaker 3: But I gotta tell you, white.
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  Speaker 2: People have been doing this since they invented the idea
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  Speaker 2: of being white. And just so you know, the idea
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  Speaker 2: of being white is just an idea. It was also
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  Speaker 2: made up to divide us the idea of race, the
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  Speaker 2: idea that there is.
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  Speaker 3: Some superior way of being a human.
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  Speaker 2: All of this is a made up concept that has
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  Speaker 2: been enforced and made into ideology and of course embedded
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  Speaker 2: in the minds of enough people that we have had
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  Speaker 2: wars and genocides and awful things and racism and civil
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  Speaker 2: rights movements and all of things slavery because of this invention.
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  Speaker 2: But Sidney Sweeney and an American eagle ad, I have
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  Speaker 2: to tell you, is not high on my list of
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  Speaker 2: things to be outraged about this week. Not when I
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  Speaker 2: swipe one swipe down and I am seeing starving children
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  Speaker 2: and women, Not when our president is turning this country
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  Speaker 2: into a dictatorship. I just have other shit that is
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  Speaker 2: prioritized for my outrage. If you want to be upset
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  Speaker 2: about it, if you're offended by it, that is your right.
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  Speaker 2: But when we get consumed about things like Sidney Sweeney,
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  Speaker 2: I do have to wonder how much outrage do you
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  Speaker 2: have in you?
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  Speaker 3: Are you actually.
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  Speaker 2: Convinced that this type of ad is going to make
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  Speaker 2: people think that Sidney Sweeney is the standard for beauty
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  Speaker 2: in the world, or like even this country.
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  Speaker 3: Let's play a game.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that the average I can't even say this,
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  Speaker 2: like you think that a woman is walking into the
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  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Plastic surgery office and asking for Sydney's face.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I should be serious.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that there is a plastic surgeon in
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  Speaker 2: Beverly Hills that is continuously getting requests for Sydney Sweeney.
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  Speaker 3: Her boobs?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe she's got some boobs, She's got some boobs on
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  Speaker 2: that girl. I gotta tell you, maybe the boobs. But like,
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  Speaker 2: be fucking for real, guys, there's real shit happening in
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  Speaker 2: the world, like real important shit, and getting offended by
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  Speaker 2: something or seems pointing out that something has a point
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  Speaker 2: of view that is negative or that has an underlying
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  Speaker 2: tone like all fair game. I just think personally, if
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  Speaker 2: people weren't outraged about it, I would have never thought
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  Speaker 2: another thing about this ad. Again, there's nothing, nothing, that
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  Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney, American Eagle, or any blonde, white haired blonde
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  Speaker 2: what blonde haired, blue eyed, white woman could do or
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  Speaker 2: present herself to make me feel bad or make me
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  Speaker 2: feel like I am an inferior being in any measurable way.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe that's just me, but that is not high
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  Speaker 2: on my priority list right now. I've just got other
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  Speaker 2: things I'm concerned about in the world things that are
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  Speaker 2: truly upsetting and worth of outrage. And when this type
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  Speaker 2: of outrage happens, the reason why it really stirs me
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  Speaker 2: is because it is a distraction. It is a distraction,
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  Speaker 2: and it enforces all these things that people on the
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  Speaker 2: far right say about everyone else were two sensitive and
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  Speaker 2: it's pointless. And like, meanwhile, they're flipping out about black mermaids.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know where the fuck they get their
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  Speaker 2: pie hole open about anything, but they they can't be
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  Speaker 2: on the same level, Like they can't be outraged about
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  Speaker 2: mermaids being black, and we can't be talking about how
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  Speaker 2: outrageous it is that this woman is sliding jeans up
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  Speaker 2: her butt crack and talking about her blue eyes.
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  Speaker 3: Which by the way, she has. So I just can't.
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  Speaker 2: We need to focus and keep the main thing the
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  Speaker 2: main thing. These are very, very troubling times, and for me,
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  Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney is just not getting any of my time
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  Speaker 2: other than this moment. I can't be arguing about the
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  Speaker 2: importance of a Sydney Sweeney ad when we have the
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  Speaker 2: things going on in the world that are happening that
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  Speaker 2: are so serious. We are on the brink of really
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  Speaker 2: horrible shit. Let's just focus on that and not give
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  Speaker 2: President Orange another reason to divide us over some shit
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  Speaker 2: that is, let's be honest, really inconsequential. I don't care
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  Speaker 2: about Sydney Sweeney and her stomach or her raspy voice
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  Speaker 2: or anything beyond the character that she played in Euphoria,
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  Speaker 2: because that was that was a great show.
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  Speaker 3: That was a great show. That was a great show.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great show.
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  Speaker 2: But other than that, I have nothing. I have nothing
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  Speaker 2: for it. And again, like I think people are allowed
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  Speaker 2: to be offended. I'm with that, and there were definitely
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  Speaker 2: implications in it, for sure, but we live in an
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  Speaker 2: interconnected world and like I said, the standard for beauty
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  Speaker 2: as much as they may try to run it back,
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  Speaker 2: and it happened, and y'all. I mean, let me know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't work in plastic surgery, but you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you're out there, you're you're getting like, am I being rude?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just it's just very it's like a little unserio.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a plastic surgeon out there and
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  Speaker 2: you're like, no, you're wrong. There's droves of women like
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  Speaker 2: give me Sydney Sweeney's face. You know, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it's happening, but the boobs, for sure. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: you're asking for joy?
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  Speaker 3: Taylor Boos? Probably probably all right. With that being said,
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  Speaker 3: it gets to Gilbert Arenas.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk to go Gilbert Arenas, of course NBA legend,
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  Speaker 2: hosts of Gil's Arena and No Chill Battle Mode. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: to you personal, Thanks for coming down, Thanks for making
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  Speaker 2: the journey. Yeah, undisclosed location. You know, everywhere in LA
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  Speaker 2: is like it's a commitment. Like if I come to you,
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  Speaker 2: it's a commitment. You come over here. You know we're
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  Speaker 2: not We're not in the same area. LA is a
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  Speaker 2: big place. But I appreciate you coming down. Where to start?
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  Speaker 2: Where to start?
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  Speaker 3: Actually? You know what I really wanted to ask you about.
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  Speaker 2: You've been in the public eye for a very long time,
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  Speaker 2: and you've been you've branded yourself off as a very unapologetic,
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  Speaker 2: no chill out there person. But is there is there
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  Speaker 2: a softer side to Gilbert? Or is it just this
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  Speaker 2: is all just one all the time? Okay, so there
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  Speaker 2: was there was a softer side?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? What happened to the softer side of Gil?
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  Speaker 1: I seen the world turn on you. Yes, when I
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  Speaker 1: got in trouble with the gun incident and everything I did,
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  Speaker 1: you know, cover boy, you know, scores for schools. So
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  Speaker 1: everything I did for the community, everything I did like
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  Speaker 1: Katrina helping Katrina out, and I got it. I did
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  Speaker 1: one bad thing and then I watched the world flip
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  Speaker 1: and then I became the worst person on earth. And
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  Speaker 1: then I realized, no matter how clean you are, all
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  Speaker 1: it takes is one thing and boom m hm.
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  Speaker 3: Relatable. Uh So before that, you had a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit of innocence to you then about how people would treat.
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  Speaker 3: You if you made a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: I was okay, I was. I was Dennis. I've always
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  Speaker 1: been Dennis the minist. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a difference between being a little you know,
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  Speaker 2: mischievous and getting in what is considered my most real trouble.
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  Speaker 2: But you would so you thought that you would have
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  Speaker 2: more grace from everyone.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking, but I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't.
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  Speaker 1: It would be that I didn't think like the whole world.
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  Speaker 1: You know, back then, I thought the whole world like
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  Speaker 1: was just like oh yeah, and I'm like what, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't touch anything, no one, no one got hurt, like
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  Speaker 1: this is what's going on. So, you know, after I
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  Speaker 1: went into a dark place, you know, ran from the world,
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  Speaker 1: and I decided when I come back, I'm I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: put on some more shield. And this shield was no chill.
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  Speaker 2: Are you glad you did that or does part of
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  Speaker 2: you feel a little bit of resentment that you had
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  Speaker 2: to go through that and it changed you.
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  Speaker 1: I think we all have to go through things to
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  Speaker 1: see what we are made of. Right, this is this
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  Speaker 1: is the longest thing we would know, right, everyone say,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's the shortest. It's the longest thing you
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  Speaker 1: know that we know is our life. So to really
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  Speaker 1: get a whole feel of it, you got to go
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  Speaker 1: through things. So everything gained peachy and creamy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes I think that's what we we want our
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  Speaker 1: lives to be. So, you know, going through that and
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  Speaker 1: made me a better person. I would think.
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  Speaker 3: Now, when you.
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  Speaker 2: See other people going through their their moments like yours
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  Speaker 2: and they're all, you know, various and have different levels
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  Speaker 2: of seriousness to them, do you have empathy for them
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  Speaker 2: or do you have you sort of been jaded to
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  Speaker 2: the point where you are like, that's just that's the
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  Speaker 2: that's the charge of the game.
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  Speaker 1: That's life. That's life. But for the most part, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's always if it's a victimless If it's
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  Speaker 1: a victimless situation, yeah, then it's like, don't worry, y'all,
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  Speaker 1: y'all get through it. But if there's a victim involved,
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  Speaker 1: and you know I'm on the victim.
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  Speaker 2: Side, well yeah, yeah, I mean that's yeah, I think, yes,
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  Speaker 2: like what it.
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  Speaker 1: Usually gives me sometimes, But I feel like there's this
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  Speaker 1: when it's family's involved, when it's like divorces and breakups
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  Speaker 1: and so.
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  Speaker 2: You feel bad for the CEO and the this is
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  Speaker 2: just swap swap it out.
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  Speaker 1: But like when it's like like when when people are
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  Speaker 1: going through like that and they're fighting over the kid
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, like because I've been through it, it's like
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  Speaker 1: it ain't worth it. Yeah, So I'm always on that
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  Speaker 1: that side, like, Yo, this ain't this ain't worth it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, four or five, ten years from now, y'all
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  Speaker 1: gonna be looking back, like what was y'all doing once
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  Speaker 1: the feelings is gone?
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  Speaker 3: Happened to you? You were?
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  Speaker 1: How old it was just two?
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  Speaker 3: You're thirty two?
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  Speaker 2: Did you feel defiant about it? Like did you feel
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  Speaker 2: like you did you understand the seriousness of it. Looking
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  Speaker 2: back on, how do you feel like it was serious
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  Speaker 2: or do you think that there was a particular reaction
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  Speaker 2: to it that didn't help you in that moment.
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  Speaker 1: It was more of a forced hand, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because I've been in the media so long, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: I know how to stay out of the media. So
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to you know, ay, here's the money,
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  Speaker 1: let's go, Let's just do this quietly. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Hollywood, the Hollywood blueprint for a woman is hectic,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, get the restraint in order, you know,
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  Speaker 1: push that bad narrative. So at first it was all right,
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  Speaker 1: this is fun, you know, I fight back, do a
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  Speaker 1: little punching with And then it got to the point
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  Speaker 1: where some of the claims was so serious that I
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  Speaker 1: had to fight for it because I don't want the
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  Speaker 1: kids to think this was real. So now I need
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  Speaker 1: to win, right, I need to like, if this is
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  Speaker 1: a charge, I'm suing you, and I need to win, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so they can see, hey, this was a win. There
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  Speaker 1: was no settlement, there was none of that, and I
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  Speaker 1: had to win. So most of the things was to
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  Speaker 1: the point where I was trying to h I thought
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  Speaker 1: that it would help my how it looked later, once
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  Speaker 1: the kids get older, they can read these articles. If
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  Speaker 1: they can see something, then hey, no, there's a result here.
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  Speaker 3: You know what the truth is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and most of the stuff was like because
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  Speaker 1: we had kids, I felt that, you know, like some
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  Speaker 1: of the things STDs and stuff like that. I was like, nah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to let my daughter see that one day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had to fight the public eye.
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  Speaker 2: Thing is so crazy to me because I had this
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  Speaker 2: conversation on season one of this show that like, would
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  Speaker 2: you either be wealthy and anonymous or you know, have
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  Speaker 2: money but be famous like the a you would rather
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  Speaker 2: be famous? Yes, But I absolutely, like a hundred percent.
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  Speaker 2: I say this all the time, like, let me get
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  Speaker 2: a bag, y'all, never hear from me again.
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  Speaker 3: You will never see or hear from me again. Don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be living my best life and y'all, y'all got it.
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  Speaker 2: But do you think that part of that feeling of
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  Speaker 2: just choosing a of wealthy and anonymous is because you've
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  Speaker 2: had this experience of being in the limelight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my mom jad because I've been famous, experienced,
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  Speaker 1: experienced all you've been the man in the arena.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of feel that way too, because I
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  Speaker 2: also feel like the business has changed so much, Like
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  Speaker 2: the demands have changed so much. It's no longer like
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  Speaker 2: you do a movie and then you do the press
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  Speaker 2: and then you can like go live your life. Like
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  Speaker 2: you've got to do the content. You've got to do
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  Speaker 2: the tiktoks, and you've got to do the streaming, and
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  Speaker 2: you like, it's just like this constant sight go to
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  Speaker 2: demand of content.
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  Speaker 3: And for someone like.
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  Speaker 2: You where you're I know you say the soft side
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  Speaker 2: of Gill is gone, but I don't know if I
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  Speaker 2: fully believe you, because you you and your love and
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  Speaker 2: boy Era also like we see it, which is which
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  Speaker 2: I love for you. But you have you you have
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  Speaker 2: to give so much of yourself to the cameras all
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  Speaker 2: the time, Like how do you recharge?
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  Speaker 1: It's routine, right, So as long as I stay in
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  Speaker 1: my routine, I'm functionable. Right, So I wake up at
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  Speaker 1: you know, four thirty five o'clock, right, do everything I
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  Speaker 1: need to do, get the show done. After the show,
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  Speaker 1: I got a nap to recharge. If I don't nap
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  Speaker 1: to recharge, I'm done. So so I'm still on basketball schedule.
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  Speaker 1: So once I go to see for an hour, hour
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  Speaker 1: and a half, I'm fully charged one hundred to go
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  Speaker 1: right back at it again till about eleven twelve. PU.
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  Speaker 1: That's the it's been my life. So as long as
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  Speaker 1: I'm in that.
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  Speaker 3: Routine, You're just going to catch your same basketball steps.
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  Speaker 1: I don't fatigue, So I don't like fatigue.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so your body is just used to Like you're
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  Speaker 2: doing something that requires different energy, but your body is
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  Speaker 2: used to the same routine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so even if I go to sleep at three am,
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  Speaker 1: I wake up at four thirty, I'm fully charged because
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  Speaker 1: it's more of just a routine that I've been in
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  Speaker 1: since I was little for you know.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think routine is one of the most
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: important keys to success. Routine and routine is something that
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: like I think athletes have to take seriously if you
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: want to be great, which is why they can translate
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: to a business like media really well, because I don't
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: think you can do a job like this if you
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: don't like routine.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: It's very difficult to do.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: You got to be on time, you got to be
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: locked in, even if you're just having fun, and like
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: it seems like it's not really a serious thing. There's
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: so much that goes into all this that if you
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: if you're not in some ways discipline, I don't think
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: you can have long term success in this business.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And that's why they're not having long term success, right,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's it's one of those things
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: where I remember when d Wade told me, you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: when I get into this game, especially you know, trying
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: to get to the TV side one, they don't respect
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the athlete. So understand what they do. Take what they
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: do serious. So be a journalist to add your flavor.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: So take it just like you're taking basketball when you
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: first started. So don't go in as gild Witherena's a
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I'm you know three time, all start three times. No,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: go in there like you did your rookie year. Put
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the hours, put the work in, Understand what they do
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to be great, and then add your expertise.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: That's great advice.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Now, he really gave me really good advice, like and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't really into it yet, right. He
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: did a couple of things here and there, but you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: we did the one hundredth episode and that was the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: advice he gave me.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: That's that's that's great advice because it's not that like
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: we're digging ditches, but it does require it requires a
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: different type of hard work. And to me, like, if
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: you don't take it seriously, it falls apart. Even if
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: it is just you being your personality, because you have to,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: you have to turn it on. Is there something that
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: you wish you hadn't shown the world because you give
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of yourself and your private life and your personality.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't think I've shown them nothing.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Really, no, but this isn't a character though.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: No, so only because you asked a question right which
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: side of Miami and I said that guy's gone. Yeah,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I've never shown my real life. If you really think
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: about what you know of me, yes, it's Instagram and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: social media. It really has nothing to do with me personally.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: So like I'm literally a hermit, So you.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Consider yourself a private person?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would too, Like, like, I'm gonna just
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: be honest with you.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Halfway through COVID, I didn't even know COVID was going on.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I just went out for the first time, Like why
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: does everybody have mask on? That's crazy? Like this like
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: it was just one of those things because you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I watch Netflix, I play video games, so I don't
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: regular I don't watch regular TV. And then on social medium,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I was in the dms more like I'm not watching
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I'm in a dan let's popping. And then you know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I went to the soil and day it was like,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you know what what you mean? Ten feet away? What's
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: what's all this? With that mask of.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Well, okay, So then if you don't, we'll pivot. Then
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: if you don't.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Feel like you've shared a lot of yourself, what is
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: something that people you wish people did know about you?
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Nothing?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Listen, people are nosy, people are mean, mean when they
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: can get to you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course, but like there's something about you
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: that you genuinely feel like, I don't wish people knew
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: this about me because it's something that I've built up
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: as a defense mechanism against the world and in lots
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: of ways, whether it's relationships or friendships or business, like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I'm a very tough, outwardly tough person, but people that
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: know me personally know that I'm like very soft, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I have a joke with them, like, don't tell anybody
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: or I'll kill you that I'm soft, But I do
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: think that, not that I wish there was a space
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: where people could see that, but I feel like I
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: let in my own way, I let people know that
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: about me. And when you're a public figure and you're
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: constantly being judged and ridiculed, and like, people are mean
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to you, people are mean to me, people are you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: people are mean to everyone.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Everyone's meaning to everyone.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I do think that we're running out of role models
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: in a way, because we tear each other down so
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: much that the way to connect people is authenticity and
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: a little bit of vulnerability.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: The idea of a role model is I don't know
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: if it ever existed in one person.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Did you have any role models?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Penny Hardaway, Code, all of the Waynean brothers, Al
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Bundy right right, So like when you think just just
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: role models themselves, remember it. We only know what they
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: show us, right right. So I can like this part
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of you, and you know, I appreciate this part. Then
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that part of it what they showed me
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that part, you know, And I think, you know, when
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: people started looking at different parts of people to create
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: a role model, it'd be a little easier. So your
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: role model won't disappoint you when you here's something that
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: they do normal.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: But that's what I think is interesting about role models
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: because I don't maybe I just have always had this
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: perspective that humans are super flawed, so the flaws and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: people can be not aspirational like you, you aspire to
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: be flawed, But I would rather look up to somebody
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: that I or you know, be inspired by somebody who
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I know isn't isn't presenting as perfect because that's unattainable.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: You get a little dirt. And that's where no chill
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: comes in from sitting back realizing when you when you
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: when you have on white gloves, you have to be
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: very careful because anything can dirty them up. Now if
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you come in with some great gloves. And that's why
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: you know, no chill was very important for me. And
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and what I mean by that is the more I
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: push it right and you accept these little things I do,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I can't disappoint you. So if a sponsor sponsored me
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: for you know how I am, then I have a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: lot more leverage and room to pivot and move. So
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: when human nature kicks in and I say something, you
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: know that was spurred a moment. You know, I don't
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: get penalized for it. Yeah, you know, it's it's very
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: hard to be Lebron James, Steph Curry. Right, it's it's
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that that is that is very hard. Right do you
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: have do You have to have a very smart team
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: around you, right from one through five, right, parents, every
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: everything has to be aligned with the same thing, because
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: it only takes one thing get in trouble, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: argument with a girl and she blashed. There's just you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: anything that can ruin that that that that suits. So
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: I decided, you know, I'm gonna come in with with
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: great gloves this time and then see if that works
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: for me because the white gloves just wasn't for me.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: When you look at some of like the younger players,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty like fascinated about. I feel like it's a
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: pivot from your era and before from the accessibility because
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: there's so there's so many different ways to reach people
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: now or follow people or consume people's brands. But I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: do feel like young players, and I have no problem
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: with this, are a lot more brands safe because there
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: is a lot of money to be made with brands,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Like you have shoe deals, you have these commercials, but
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: there is a little bit of a film over, you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: like the ability to connect with them because of that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: And again I have no problem with it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I would do the same thing you're running me one
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: hundred million, two hundred million dollars like fuck a brands,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, I'm gonna be as put together as possible.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: But I do wonder how it affects the league and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: the like, the long term connection. Like we talk about
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: there not being real rivalries anymore.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: That it's I don't I hate.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to use the words so like, oh,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: it's soft, but there's not the ra there's not the
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: rawness that existed like when you played the nineties, the eighties,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the ship talking, the fighting there was like and obviously
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: there's level you don't want to reach. But do you
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: think that that is a thing what I'm what I'm explaining,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what you're saying is a real thing. I was.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I was. You know, we had the Malice in the Palace,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: then we had Alan iverson and then there was this
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: this little phase where the NBA was trying to clean
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: everything up, right because obviously trying to get brands was
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you know, there's this bigger business than you know, the players. Yeah,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: so they came out with the dress code where it
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: was sus wear suits and everything. And the funny part is,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: besides Allen and a few players, the people who was
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: bucking against it was all clean image guys Tim Duncan,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Steve Nash like I'm too tall toware it is? And
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: like it was it was with Dirk Nowinsky, like they
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: just didn't like the ideal of it, like I come
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: to gym three four o'clock, Who's going to see me? Right?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I leaving my car? No, so what am I wearing
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: a suit for? And it was the idea of looking
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: presentable rate. I think that was probably one of the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: smartest moves because we wouldn't have these contracts today because
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: once you, you know, put a suit on the pig.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Pick.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Look, it's still a pig, but it looks more attractive, right,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you can sell it. And I think once money started
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: kicking in at another level, I think some of the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: guys started being smarter. There's no there's no more Dennis Rodmans, right,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and there's no guy going out there getting drunk twenty
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: four hours coming in smelling like they nah, there's no
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: big change is wearing down to the there's none of that. Right.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: You have your off brand kids getting in trouble a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: little bit with usually girls or something, but that's because
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: of social media now. But for the most part, when
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: you think about it, I'm intrigued that these players, with
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: social media the way it is and everyone has a
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: camera phone and can be a reporter, no one gets
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: in trouble.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how much they're out. The younger
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: players are like outside, It's.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Like they're like, where are they?
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Like, what the hell are they doing? Playing video games?
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know, play video game?
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I played video game. It's it's like, these guys are
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: smarter about how they move. Yeah, they blend in that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: they're not They're not they're not flashy. They're like remember
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: we had the big chains all the way down to
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: like nah, everything is simple.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think, I mean I think the world.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I like it. I like you. I mean you see
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: on Instagram like it. You see the guidliness of it,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: and you still see people who's trying.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: To like Yeah, but it's like Fashion Week Paris now
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: it's you know, massive brand deals across the board, huge brands, Delta,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: you know, like they're they're not fucking around, and I'm
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: with it, like get the bag. They're they're building other
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: businesses that are adjacent to sports or investing tech stuff
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: like they're they're all moguls now, which again I think
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: is great, but speaking from a like sports perspective, specifically basketball,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: because I.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Don't think that that's changed. No, no, the top tier
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: is still the top tier. They take it serious, they
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: go hard, they put in it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, of course not no, no, no, that's
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: not what I'm saying.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I'm saying the league that I grew up watching, the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: league that you played in, is it the same league?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Is it the same product? Because I feel like it's
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: it's very it's very.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to lock you anything anything.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I know what you're trying to say. No, no, listen,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: it's the same product. They're just not dumb.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, these kids aren't nothing there, They're they're very bright.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, if if I don't like you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and we're getting in a tussle, it costs me to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: three million to hit you, it's not a fifteen hundred
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: dollars fine.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I say can we just can we just do a
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: little like salt based sprinkle of animosity?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that costs money. Now, Like listen, when you from
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the listen to sixty to seventy eighty, it is I
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: will punch you for twenty five dollars. So it's easy
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to close line somebody for thirty two cents. Okay, I
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: get it right. But now they're taking GA, they're taking
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: game check. So it's not even it's not even worth
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: have it, not even that type of energy towards somebody,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: especially today's game. Like today's game, you can get traded tomorrow,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: so we beeven now and then I'm traded to you.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: So they all trained together in the summer, or they're
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: all like U C. L A, you know, h Vegas, Chicago.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: If they're still balling out there, d C right, Mamba Academy.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: You know, these guys are trying to find the best run. Now.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: So this wasn't like I'm gonna be practicing in the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: gym by myself, right, you know, there's new moves, there's
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the game is moving so fast. Have you sit and
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: lock yourself in a gym by yourself and you don't
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: see what's going on around you can get left. So
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: now I need to go. They say, Kyrie's been out
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: here for a week. Let me go see what he's
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: up to. So now I can gauge and see what
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: he's learning. What's you know, being taught? And these guys
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: now are willing to help?
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Was just asked?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Now, like before, everybody's secretive. Now, hey man, he can
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: you teach me how to do this? I'm gonna get
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: my jump shot better. And somebody like Katies, Oh yeah
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: ive being a gym nine o'clock every day. Come with
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: me and he'll teach you how to perfect your shot.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Like that's what this game is.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: So there will be no more rivalries play.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Have there ever been player rivalries? U SU You have
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: your player rivals. Usually it's just team rivalries. But nobody's
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: good enough now to consistently just be at it getting
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the teams. Yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean like the past seven champ there's
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: been a different winner for the last seven champions.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: There's a different enemy. Yeah, so nobody's sitting there locked in. Okay, Yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: we need to hate We need to hate them. Next
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: year's this team, next year's that team.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: So because and they're not hateable like the only.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Ribbery we see in this year was New York versus
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: the Pacers. But that's you know what I.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Mean, that's from that from.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: So that has nothing to do with now. But because
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: of the fan base, that's where it triggers. So if
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: the fans, I think, if the fans create their who
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: they don't like, the players automatically adapt.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: All right, let's lisch to the WNBA.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: The WNBA All Star was this weekend and that was
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: here he goes, they're talking about being being paid. I
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: don't want to ask you about the details of that.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: But why do you think there is so much animosity
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: anytime I talk, anytime I've ever talked in any capacity
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: about women making more money, you would think I'm talking
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: about sacrificing American's firstborn child. Like the way that people
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: react to the men react to this conversation is crazy.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: It's like fucking meat and a piranha tub. Like, what
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: is it.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: You've ever been around a woman with money?
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I am a woman with money.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Yeact different, okay, very different. You know how hard it
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: is if we can spend on money, if you got
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: money to Oh my god, a man have money. I'm
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: saying they.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Don't have gold to dig.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: The ones that are complaining about this do not have money,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: I know, but.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: They're thinking about if they get money.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Stop creating imaginary problems.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Only way we can.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Live like men, thank God. But my thing always the problems.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: If the job is being done, pay the person, right
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: and and that's that's that's what I see. Are you?
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Are they all worth money? No, just like on the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: men's side.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: But that's but that's not the point. Like the point.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: The thing that confuses me about this conversation is it's
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: not like it's not a historically accurate conversation, right, Like
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: we're just talking about the NBA and you talking about
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: how good it is that young players are smart and
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: focused and have their teams together and their training together,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and they're taking care of their bodies, like they've learned
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to maximize this time and make the most amount of
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: generational wealth and keep themselves out of headlines like all
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: those good things. The NBA has been around for a
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: It has not always.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Been that they were smoking cigarettes on the fucking court side.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Like shit has.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Changed over the years, right at all. The w n
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: b A is not is not as old as the NBA.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: It's evolution is not as furthered as the NBA. Things
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: will change over time. They're having their moments, their magic
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Larry moments right now where the league is expanding x potentially,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: they're not adding new more teams. Billionaires are not investing
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: in a product that is failing. So all that being said,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: all that, none of that even matters. What the fuck
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: do you care? If another person is making more money?
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Are you paying them? I don't understand it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck if people what Why would.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: I care that?
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: It's the fucking carpet makers union and they're like, we
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: deserve more money.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Cool, get some fucking money. Why do I care about?
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Am I paying the carpet makers? I don't understand it?
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: What the fuck is the problem?
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I feel the same way when I'm a McDonald's and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I ask for extra barbecue sauce, and then they get
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: an attitude like it's theirs, Like it's not yours, just
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: give it to me. Oh you have twenty five, just
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: give me the go.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: It's not yours job, but it's not yours.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying, but it's not yours. You have an attitude,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: but it's somebody not yours Okay, but I keep going.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: To McDonald's and you don't want to have to hire
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: that person in McDonald's.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: So so it's the same concept, right, No, it is
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: like want more money. The people that are complaining it's
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: not your money, shut out. Yes, it's it's not your money.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: The same it's not your money. It's not you don't
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: have money, you don't own. Aly, these women making more
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: of a percentage of the money is not going to
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: change your life.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Your lights will still be on or off regardless.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I think that's a okay, I think I think the
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: problem here is this, stop asking for a revenue split.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: What should they ask for?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I want real money, take the cap off. Let our
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: owner pay us what he wants to pay us. Right here,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: here's why. Okay, So look when you're when you're talking
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: about a revenue split, it's no different than business. Right,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: we can split our revenue fifty to fifty. Then what
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: does the person that has the business do, Ah, there's
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: no profit. I got all these bills to pay, so
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: there's no revenue. So that's point that's a pointless thing
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to do, right, because they're going to offset they how
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: much they lost, so they'll be like oh you want revenue.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: We lost forty million dollars, So are we gonna give
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you no? Which is the smart business side to do,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: of course for business side, So for the players side,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that's not what you want because they're going to offset that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: What you want is take off the hard cap. Let
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the billionaire's egos kick in, because one thing somebody with
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: money don't want to do is be on the same
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: playing field with someone that's broker. Yeah right, so if
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: I make eleven billion and he makes five hundred million,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be on the same playing field.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: This is business.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I want to buy his players to them model.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, I want to be able like if I own
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: if I own a business, I wouldn't be able to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: spend what I want to spend on my players. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: if you can't afford your players, I'm going to get
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: them from you. And if you can afford them, go
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: get a new investor. And that's the model that they
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: need to be following. If if Vegas can get it,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: they own private plane let them. What happens all the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: girls start talking, Oh they they over there doing And
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: what happens is everybody wants to travel there.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: That's not gonna happen.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Then that makes ben Then you have like a whole
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: other negotiation of making sure that there's splits so that
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the bottom half of the league doesn't completely fall off.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, it never does. What ends up happening
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to the bottom bottom half is they go get new investors.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Stop trying to be greedy. You want to own one
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: hundred percent of everything with fucking two hundred million, No,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: go get someone who can invest, and you lose seventy
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: five percent of your business. You got twenty five, but
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: that's eleven billion dollar man, right there, let's go. Everybody
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: wants to hold on to.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent of nothing.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Nothing, and that becomes a problem. That's not the women's problem.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: They're playing the game, they have a buzz. They want
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: to get paid forth.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I want to do it before the money kicks in
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: for the television rights.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just understand this. With any negotiation, there has to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: be sacrifice.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: So my question to them is, what are you guys
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice to get new money? All of y'all
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: are not going to survive. This is a this.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Is well, that's what that's what those negotiations entail like
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: when you come to the table as a league, the players,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the owners, everyone's not gonna ideally, everyone's not gonna leave happy.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: You there's a give and take to those negotiations always,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and at this, you know, very important moment in the
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: league's timeline. They have to stand firm on this because
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: they have the most attention coming in. The brands are
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: coming now, women's brands are coming. Now. You have you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: people that haven't been paying attention to lead playing attention
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: at a high level.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I just don't understand.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Why anybody who's not paying their bills gives a fuck
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: about what they're they're asking this, this should.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Let me negotiate for them.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Gil's gonna be the commissioner.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just gonna ta I'm just gonna take uh,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take five or six and say, you
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: guys think about the future then. And the reason I'm
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: going to say that is this one thing I'm gonna
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: do is I'm gonna say, with all these business brands
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: and all these kids and what I'm trying to build,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: where is the money. The money is in the youth,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: The money's in I gotta me, as a parent, gotta
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: buy my daughter choose this this because that's what she's
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: looking up to. So what I would do is I
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: would take off the college. That is, if you want
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: to go to college, go to college because of nil.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: But I want the ability to have one one, one
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: and done, or straight out of high school because this
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: superstar out of high school with this big brand. The
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: day she gets drafted, all of her fan base of
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: from eight years old the sixteen seventeen are going to
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: buy that product. That is revenue right for me, which
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: means the younger they come in, the older gets to
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: get cut. So I'm going to sacrifice thirty five, thirty
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: six or seven thirty eight or nine forty for eighteen
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: to nineteen.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I completely agree.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I think they the league will be cut for youth
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: is going to water down the product for a few
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: years before those girls adapt and from there where all
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the lipstick brands of the globe. That's where all those
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: brands come in because now you have safer faces.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I agree. I think that the youth is the is.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: The way to go kind of before they get to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: college and sit there for four years and find out
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: their their identity too well.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: The I mean the college, the college model for now
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: for women is very profitable because of NIL. Some lot
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: of people talk about NIL. I'm like, they always boil
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: it down to like fucking college football.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Nil is for every one. It's completely transformed women's sports
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: in college. It's a whole new world. The amount of money.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: You're definitely making more money if you are a superstar
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: college women's player than you are playing in the wh No.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Of course, but but no, technically not because NIL is
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the name, image and likeness, which means it can transcend
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: wherever I go. So I don't lose. So they didn't.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: You know, Reese and Caitlin, they didn't lose their inn
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I l they didn't.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but they're at the they're at the top
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: of the top, like Angel and Caitlin are outliers.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But so it's NIL. So if I'm getting Reese's peace,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: I'm getting that, it comes with me. You're not gonna
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: stop because I left college. What they're what people getting
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: confused with is the collective, which the school is paying you. Yeah,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: so that's that's a very different thing.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: So the schools, the brand deals, and the collective are
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: two different.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, So the brand deals, I should be able to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: take those with me. If you like me, so, you know,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: but I think they should lift it so they can
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: they can add more brands into it. I did. I
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: did this study where I tried to figure out why
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the W wasn't attractive to high school girls, and I
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: didn't realize it was such a big gap from these girls. See,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: most these girls in middle school, high school, they didn't
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: even know they have to go to college four years.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: And I asked them, I said that why do you
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: wear that number? It was always because an NBA player
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: never WNBA. So I remember, I say, hey, did you
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: guys watch the draft? And I was like, no, where
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: did where did Paige Buckner go? This is this is
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: her rookie, her freshman year, Just like, where did she
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: get drafted? I was like, oh, no, she can't come
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: out for another four years. It's like what? And then
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: for the most part, nobody knew no one in the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: in the draft because they couldn't identify with them. Well, yeah,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: those are women dressing up professionally twenty two year old women.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: These are girls. Yeah, who's trying to be attractive to
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: high school boys? So the look that they're showing, they
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: don't like, Oh why they got on suits whatdye? What
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: is that? They're like Grandma's up there, and that's how
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: they looked at it. So there was this big separation. Yeah,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: and I'm saying that's why the league is not successful
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: is because your fan base, your big money spenders, you
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: don't have a connection with them.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Well there's a gap because they're in college for so long.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they lose they lose that.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: And that's what I'm talking about with like with the
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: nil and the the money. Like college women's college basketball,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: especially during the tournament, is always a big conversation and
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: that's that's really when it brings in the crossover fans.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: And to me, it's like you go to the WNBA
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: and you almost disappear.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Because college fans college fans say college.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Fans, correct, they're fans of the of the team.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: They don't necessarily transfer that that fandom to professional And
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: because the brand hasn't been big enough until as of
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: late with all this you know, new conversation, it really
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: hasn't benefited. But I'm with you. I think that the
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: issould they should get into the League Center. I think
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: it change a lot of It's.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Only only overseas. So the rule is you have to
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: be born out of the country to be able to
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: come in at eighteen nineteen.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that old school, you know, screw screwed.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: These girls, right, That's what I said. It has to
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: be some I wouldn't. I wouldn't let anybody that's thirty
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: five and over being a negotiation. They're going to do
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: a deal for survival. Anybody who's been in the league
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: one or two years, they don't know none of the
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: old school rules, so they will they neotiating.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: At this point in the league's history, like this current
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: negotiation is very important with everything that's changing, with all
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: of the conversation, with all the brands that are coming in,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: with with all the potential movement, that will catapult what's
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: happening right now into what the NBA did when Magic
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: and Bird brought all that attention, what they were able
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: to build on for the rest of the history of
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: the league, which has led to what it is now.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Like every every building block in a league's history leads
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: to the next thing.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, there need is four players injuries, Caitlin Clark, Asia
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Sabrina Sabrina Page not yet, but if you want to
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: add her, you can add her. You you five negotia,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: tell them if there's nothing happening, we won't play. If
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: those five I don't listen. I know there's great players.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I know there's If those five right there say we're
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: not gonna play, there's no movement because two of the
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: players that are bringing this excitement are saying now we're
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: not gonna play.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and they can't and they can't cross
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: the line because now.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: You've got three of them are very big Nike shoe.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: So then you have the best player in the league
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: saying yeah, I'm standing down. Then you got you know,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Buckinger coming in and say yeah, I'm good. Yeah, I'm
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: not gonna play. Those five right there, they will actually take.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: A serious Yeah, all right.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna try this for the first time with you.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: You get the first one.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: You get the first try we're gonna do so I
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: got slap.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Last time I said that we're gonna try this for
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: the first time and bringing the whole nother girl that
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: didn't work out too well.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: We're getting we're getting to know we can cut that
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: out everyone, all right, So is rapid fire, no skips,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: no no skips, But I'm gonna do it with you. Okay, okay,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: so you're not You're not alone in this. What is
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: the most important attribute for a successful podcast host?
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Ooh? Character?
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Character?
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Yes? As character for a host? Yes?
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Character character. I think research, and that's why I'm not
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: a hope yep.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: What does failure mean to you now versus what it
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: meant at age twenty five?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I never to failure as failure. It's always learning experience.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: You can be successful without failing, so I don't even
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: look at anything as failure.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I think failure at twenty five meant not achieving goals
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: that I set for myself. Failure to me now is
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: being too hard on myself.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nope, nope.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: What were you most afraid of in marriage?
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Losing my identity?
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Hmm?
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, I was most afraid of.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: The person and being a completely different person than who
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I married, Like just waking up one day.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: And being a different person. But one day, yeah, just
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: like you know, people.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Change usually over yet no, we all change. But I
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: guess the idea is you guys supposed to be changing
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: together in the same direction.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: But sometimes it doesn't happen. I would you rather lose
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: your ambition or your empathy?
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: My empathy?
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Same?
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: I barely have empathy, my ambition.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Nothing.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, I don't know if this one's appropriate
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: for you. But if you could unlive someone with no consequences,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: would you do it?
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Unlive someone without any consequences? Yeah? Then how does that
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: benefit me?
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Well, that the person is not no longer with us?
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: Oh I'm tripping, no skips. Then I don't have any
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: You think about this too much?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: No, No, What I'm saying is like what if, like
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: I would love to do it to a billionaire that
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: so I can get their money, but I'm not.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: They don't get anything.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: The only benefit is that they are dead, They are
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: no longer alive.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: You can unlive someone with no consequence. This is so easy?
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Ask me? Okay, yes, yes, it's the whole list list
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: give me. I know, but I don't like. What is
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: this easy question that.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: No one can affect my life for me to on
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: onet on live them? I could just I just block them.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: You're better than me, like I be?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I be. I do not understand when people be on
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the phone arguing and there's this red button right there.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I'm right there, just a red button just right there.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: You just push it and then it just.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: There's here's what we learned about trying to figure out
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: how the world is on the line. Gil is not
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: not the man to go to because you come to me.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: There's a lot just just.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: There's so many bad people, Like there's so many bad people.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: You could but I don't know power.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is I don't know none of them.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: You have you at least have the internet.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: You don't want to know what I look for on
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: the internet. So like my experiences.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Last question, what.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: It's a fun experience.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I'm the one that's gonna say those guys, it's not
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: gonna be go all right. Final question, does the man
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: that you are today forgive the man you were back?
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Then? Yes, I can finally say that at uh. There
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: was a point where I didn't, and I didn't because
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I thought I failed so many people. When the Wizards
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: got sold and people got fired. I took that hard
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: because I thought it was solely because of me, because
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: you know, they was rooting for me, they all cheered
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: me on, and I thought because they were sticking by me,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: they got fired. So I couldn't forgive myself for that.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: It took a minute to talk to some of them
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: and say no, no, no, we was there for you
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: because you was there for us, and you know, we
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: were glad you came back. So they were rooting for
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: me again now. So it took me a while to
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: forgive myself for that.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Damn.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I definitely, I definitely forgive myself. I
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: realized that if I didn't forgive myself, then other people
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: could use that against me, and they didn't have anything
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: to do with why I felt bad about my decisions.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And the wild thing about feeling bad about your decisions,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: you know, if you hurt other people, I think there's
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: a time where you need to process that, like you
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: need to realize what your decisions were and why you
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: did that and why you were hurting other people. But
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: if it's kind of how you were saying earlier, like
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: if it's like a victimless thing like something, it's just
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: a bad decision that you made at the time. What
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: I realized from getting older is like you can only
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: make the decision that you make with the information that
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: you have, Like you're going to make a decision this
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: year that five years from now, you're like, yeah, I
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have made that because I didn't know.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: And if you are hard on yourself.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: You'll continue to make those kinds of decisions because you
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: will not forgive yourself for the space that you were in.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Did somebody have to tell you to do that? Or
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: you just were like, I I've had enough being.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Mean to myself, just talking just talking to people from
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: back then. Yeah, and you know, like I'm thinking they're
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: mad at me or something, and I was like, no,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: we moved on. We appreciate we had fun, and you know,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: if we had to do it all over again, we're
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: standing by you again. So when they said that as
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: a oh damn okay, and that that that weight was lifted,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: accountability is weird, but it's the weirdest, it's the weirdest theme, uh,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: to be accountable for something because the people who want
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: you to be accountable, when you actually are accountable, they
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: don't want to accept it. Right right, So you can
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: do something, Let's say, you know, you do something five
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: years ago and you've never done it again, never show
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: no signs on an apologize, moved on the same people
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: that asked you to be accountable. You're your five years
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: removed from it, and they're still trying to bring you
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: back to that moment. To say you that's that's you?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like no, like wait.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: You're still stuck on that?
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: And that and I and and that happened. That happens
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: a lot with me. And sometimes my past usually keeps
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: the people at the door, you know, sneaking a you know,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: and I got a hold open the door. Wait a minute,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: God damn it. Listen, I'm not the same person that
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I was back then. Then I got to give this
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: whole speech and go through the jump rope loops to
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: get in, you know inside some of these you know,
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: network businesses and and sponsorship, And it's like, what's the
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: point of being accountable? Then? If I haven't done it again,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: havn't shown that side of me And I've just been
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: moving forward. Why are you killed? You're still talking to
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: me like I'm twenty two or thirty two. Yeah, And
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: that's why, you know, when I when I look at
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: people and I'm judging people, it's I don't care about
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: your past, like you know, you're your pastor your what
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: do you?
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: What are you doing right now?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Yah?
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Who are you right now? And where are you going forward?
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Like your Everyone has a pass and I can't I
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: can't penalize you for some shit you did a long
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: time ago. If you're not doing that anymore. If you
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: was a crack kad in the eighties, god damn it.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: You was a crack kid in the eighties and you
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: want to be the president of the Okay? Cool?
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not cool with that. This is where we split.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: This is where we split in the road for sure.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: I mean everyone is not qualified for every job.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: No, I mean yeah, not everybody. But I mean, like
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of people got you got to be good
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: at something.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Getting off the crack.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, Usually crack sells you some good stuff.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I've done got some good stuff from a crack here,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: And that's what if they moved to the president, they're
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: selling some good stuff to get there, right, you want
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: that person making business deals.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: I was with you.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: I was with you on the accountability, and so we
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: started talking about crackhead presidents because we have a crackhead
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: for the Secretary of Health right now, and I'm against it.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: But are they selling some good stuff?
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: No, he's got bad teeth. I don't.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: I can't understand half the shit he's saying. We need subtitles.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: But are they selling some good product? Right?
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's all. I don't know what selling people buying it.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: I am anti crack.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: No, I mean no no from my body. Yes, you
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: want to do a fine cover.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: I think they should have jobs, just not the president.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: And I don't think that they should be the secretary
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: of health either. I think some things make you unqualified
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: to lead others into those spaces.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. I don't even I don't pay
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: attention to politics.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, well on behalf of this on behalf of those
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: who do no crackheads in office. That's okay, that is
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: that is the line. I'm a dry on the sand.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: I think you should agree with me on that. I do.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: I do agree with you on the accountability thing, though,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: because it's like and listen, guilty is charged. I'm a woman.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: I do not like accountability. I didn't do it, then
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: nothing to do with me. But no accountability is strange
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: because in this like internet, the world where you be
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: like everyone is the everyone's the subject for like a day, right,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: everyone has their day, and it's like, what who are
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: you being accountable to? First of all, like, do you
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: do you owe anyone accountability who was not involved?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: In a situation because there's this idea that's like.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, you owe your fans an explanation, Like no, like
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: I do not. I do not owe actually anyone an explanation.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I don't actually own anyone an explanation. Literally, no one.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I own an explanation to no one.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Everyone feels that because they're a part of your life,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: that they're going through the same situation as the victim
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, well this is wrong. It's not.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: But I do think when there is something that you
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: need to take accountability for, once you do that, what's next.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: So to your point about people holding.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: You to the standard of what you were ten, fifteen,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: twenty years ago, it is not a real motivation for
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: people to better themselves if if I'm constantly going to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: be judged by something that either A had nothing to
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: do with you or B obviously is not my character.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Because this is that like you're not in jail.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: That's why I double down instead of accountability, bubble down.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be mad either way, so double it gets
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: your double express or this ship.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: Totally lean in.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: That's true though, because it's like, what's the point, Why
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: am I gonna That's why I don't believe in the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: word humble, because I think that that that that is
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: a road to making yourself small when if you're not
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: going to get over something, you're not gonna get over it,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: no matter how many times I talk about it. Now
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: which way I explain it to you, this is something
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: that you feel is a representative of me. So just
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: you feel that way.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Just the word humble rich people. No, no, no, it's not
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: the one on top, right, it's usually the one at
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the bottom, just mad as you're shitting on and stunting
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: on them, right.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, religion is really like humble too. The religion is
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: really like humble too.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: It was usually it was always the player that was
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that never got in the game fifteen fourteen always man,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: you got to be humble, man, modest you accepting like
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: sitting there, Okay, getting that practice, buddy.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Humble is not Humble is.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: Not about your work. Ethnic gets you in the game.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Humble is not for me either. I feel you.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for stopping by. Loves having
• 1:02:32
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• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: of the questions. We are not endorsing crackheads for for
• 1:02:39
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• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: You know, we listen, we got to talk business, hote
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: these streets right now. You know how No, you use
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: popular like very popular popular, Like.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: I think, uh, how many shows got got canned?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Three shows were canceled.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: For exactly for for exactly no exactly you prove my point. Yeah,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: it's only been Joy out there. We don't know the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: rest of them. There's like x V A player, Hall
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: of Famer, Football Hall of Famer, and Joy. That's all
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: we cared. That's it. I'm like, wait a minute, that's crazy.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Sports shows got canceled and nobody want the sports player.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: That's joy that you know what, I didn't look at it.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: That was the first time I looked at it that way.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: That's what I I. So when I'm looking, I'm like, okay,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: you know and.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: Sports show Sup're canceled and that the athlete was not
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: the one on the on the meme.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, okay, let me move them down,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: put her up there, let's go after first.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: Thank you Gil, no problem. Thanks to Gil for stopping by.
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  Speaker 3: So this week's Never Too Personal. What are your go
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: to routines to get mentally unstuck?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: So?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I think routine overall is very, very important when you
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: are in any kind.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Of stuck place, whether it's creatively, mentally, spiritually, physically, any
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: of those things. If you're really stuck, you need to
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: start doing things daily to get you out of that place.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: I think one of the most important things for me
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: is to make sure that I stay in my routine
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: of working out. If I fall out of the habit
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: of working out, even if it's just like walking or
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: just going to the gym for like twenty minutes, make
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: yourself do something that you like for exercise and keep
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: that in your routine no matter what. Because even though
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not like a big like.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I've got it healthy finish drinkling about it.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: It does something to your body to know that you
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: got up and that you moved your body, and that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: you at least did something to maintain your health when
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: you're feeling stuck and mentally, knowing that you had the
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: wherewithal and the composure to make yourself and the discipline
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: really to make yourself do that and stick with that
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: routine is really important.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: I also think reading. I think it's important to when
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: you're feeling mentally.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Stuck to try to read, even if it's just a
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: chapter a day, even if it's just an article, but
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: engaging your mind, introducing yourself to something intellectual, something emotional,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: something that you enjoy consuming reading is really important.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: And I also think because I get into the.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Habit of this as well, and it's sort of also
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: tied into working out, But don't fall into the habit
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: of eating a bunch of bad stuff because I do
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: this all the time. I'm like, great, I don't feel good,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling stuck. I'm gonna eat pasta five days in
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: a row, and then at the end of the week,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: I deeply regret it. So my suggestion is to focus
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: on your health, stick with that routine, definitely work out,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: try to eat as good as you can, and introduce
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: something other, something else healthy to your routine, like reading,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: like engaging with one of your friends. Making sure that
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: you stay in the habit of those small things to
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: help you get mentally unstuck. This is a great question
• 1:06:45
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