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Quick Recap: Eagles Clawed By Bears On Monday Night Football · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. Welcome to Inside the Birds. This is Jeff Mosher.
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Speaker 2: We're throwing a little change up here for our listeners
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Speaker 2: as the Eagles lose 27 to 7 to the Bears
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Speaker 2: on Monday night. Myself, Adam Kaplan, DiCecco, we all kind
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Speaker 2: of huddled today and decided what we're really going to
0:25
Speaker 2: do is because the game ends so late and because
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Speaker 2: most of our crowd is on the East Coast and
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Speaker 2: it gets very late by the time we get everything up.
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Speaker 2: What we decided was I would give a quick 15
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Speaker 2: minute or so recap here of the game. And then
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Speaker 2: by Tuesday morning, you'll have to check out daily, his
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Speaker 2: post post game show or his pre post game show.
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Speaker 2: And then later in the afternoon, you'll have a more fuller,
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Speaker 2: more Intel laden recap from Adam and I, this is
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Speaker 2: going to be a quick recap for those who still
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Speaker 2: stay up late and just want to consume a lot
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Speaker 2: of Eagles content, even after a very, very humiliating, embarrassing
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Speaker 2: loss for a variety of reasons. The Eagles lose by
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Speaker 2: 20 points in Chicago. First of all, the team humiliated
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Speaker 2: you last year in your own house on Monday Night Football.
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Speaker 2: You were looking for a little revenge. You think you're
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Speaker 2: going to get it because the Bears are on their
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Speaker 2: third string quarterback. Case Keenum is 38 years old. How
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Speaker 2: bad can it be? And that's what your mindset is
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Speaker 2: going into the game. But it was not going to
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Speaker 2: follow the script. And Two things come to mind here
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Speaker 2: as I give you this quick recap. The reason why
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Speaker 2: the game was lost the way it was for the Eagles,
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Speaker 2: some of it was because the Eagles.
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Speaker 1: Just were not themselves.
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Speaker 2: There are some things that the Eagles did, many things
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Speaker 2: the Eagles did. The unforced errors that they committed in
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Speaker 2: this game were not something that we see typically from
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Speaker 2: the Eagles week after week. I'm talking about Bad penalties.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the two from Reek Woolen. And then you
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Speaker 2: get a holding from Steen that negates a long Saquon
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Speaker 2: Barkley run. The fourth and two offsides for Muro Jomo
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Speaker 2: on that big touchdown drive for the Bears that was
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Speaker 2: basically the dagger. They almost caught him in the first half,
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Speaker 2: and they definitely got him with the cadence the second time,
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Speaker 2: and that was a really critical juncture. You don't really
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Speaker 2: see more of a Jomo get fooled like that. The
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Speaker 2: motion concepts by the bears offense that led to some
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Speaker 2: real wide open wide receivers, including Raymond on the 41
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Speaker 2: yard touchdown. The Eagles are typically much better than that.
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Speaker 2: Now they've got some issues that we'll get into for
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Speaker 2: a while, even if they didn't have so many unforced
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Speaker 2: errors or so much sloppy play, they may not have won,
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Speaker 2: but they would have given themselves a much better chance.
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Speaker 2: Remember there was an intentional grounding there. on the Eagles'
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Speaker 2: first two drives. Now, some people think it was a
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Speaker 2: bad call. I mean, EJ Jenkins is blocking somebody right
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Speaker 2: next to Jalen Hurts to try to act like he
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Speaker 2: could have been a receiver on that.
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Speaker 1: Play, I thought was a little stretch. I thought it
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Speaker 1: was an intentional grounding. But between that, the.
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Speaker 2: Steen holding, the Woolen penalties, the Jomo penalty, the bad
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Speaker 2: tackling that you saw on the first touchdown, we'll call
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Speaker 2: it a touchdown catch, it was really a run, by
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Speaker 2: Byrden all that and then I will say I think
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Speaker 2: something you don't ordinarily see is Nick Sirianni clam up
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Speaker 2: but he absolutely clammed up in some critical moments I
3:36
Speaker 2: think you can make a strong argument that he should
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Speaker 2: not have let Andy Dalton throw that ball When Hertz
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Speaker 2: was in the medical tent, it should have called a timeout. Now,
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Speaker 2: you don't know calling a timeout. I don't want him
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Speaker 2: checking on the quarterback. That's some Brian Dable Giants, Jackson
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Speaker 2: Dart stuff, and that's a bad look.
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Speaker 1: But call a timeout.
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Speaker 2: Settle down your team after two bad runs. Maybe in
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Speaker 2: that timeout, the quarterback can come up to you and say, hey,
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Speaker 2: I've been cleared.
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Speaker 1: I'm ready to go in. You don't go check on him.
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Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that.
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Speaker 2: But I thought a timeout there would have been at
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Speaker 2: least giving them a chance to mentally reset and giving
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Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator, Mannion, maybe a better play to draw up.
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Speaker 2: Something where you're just giving Andy Dalton. This is something
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Speaker 2: Adam Kaplan brought up to me, and I agree. something
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Speaker 2: where you're just giving them like one read or throw
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Speaker 2: it away.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: You don't, you know what you don't want him to
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Speaker 2: do is be back in that pocket. Uncertain, not sure
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Speaker 2: where to go with it and then do what he did,
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Speaker 2: which is throw a pick.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: The second thing, Sirianni not going for it on fourth
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Speaker 2: and one and a half to, I mean, it was
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Speaker 2: fourth and one. It was long, but I mean, at
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Speaker 2: that point you're down 20 to seven and you.
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Speaker 1: Really, you show a lack of aggression.
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Speaker 2: The Eagles have gotten more than a yard on their
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Speaker 2: tush push quite often throughout the history.
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Speaker 1: They were moving the ball.
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Speaker 2: I thought that that was submissive, way too submissive for
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Speaker 2: somebody like Nick Sirianni, who likes to be aggressive. And
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Speaker 2: to me, he got caught up in the moment of
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Speaker 2: they were losing. The offense wasn't doing great.
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Speaker 1: What if? You can't be scared there. You got to
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Speaker 1: go for it on that fourth and one.
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Speaker 2: I really think that by doing that, by clamming up,
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Speaker 2: he hurt his team more than he helped it.
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Speaker 1: And, of course, they take the delay of the game,
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Speaker 1: and they got a punt. All right? And then I
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Speaker 1: didn't even mention it. It goes without saying. The Dalton
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Speaker 1: pick was bad.
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Speaker 2: And the Hurts interception, and again, this goes back to
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Speaker 2: errors that you don't see a whole lot. Hurts may
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Speaker 2: throw a bad interception. He's thrown one already this year.
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Speaker 2: But that one was really, really bad. Un-Hurts-like, I would say,
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Speaker 2: but definitely duped into it because it was the same
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Speaker 2: ball he almost threw to TJ Edwards on the first
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Speaker 2: drive of the third quarter. And they showed the same
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Speaker 2: exact look where they put all those guys at the
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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, drop him. It just becomes a four-man
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Speaker 2: rush and hurts through to the drop side there. And
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Speaker 2: TJ Edwards got himself an interception. That was really, that
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Speaker 2: was bad as well. And so when you put all
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Speaker 2: those things together, I mean, my gosh, you're on the road.
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Speaker 2: It's always hard to win a road against a good team.
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Speaker 2: And you get the elements of a 20-point loss, what
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Speaker 2: you got.
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Speaker 1: And that's what you had. So that's my quick view
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Speaker 1: on it.
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Speaker 2: And I would say that, A lot of those things
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Speaker 2: I just discussed there, we don't see on a week-to-week basis.
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Speaker 2: So bad game, certainly not up to expectation. There's more
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Speaker 2: things that we'll get into in a second that do
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Speaker 2: surface that I think could have meant the Eagles would
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Speaker 2: have lost anyway. But the reason why they lost in
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Speaker 2: the way they did by such a huge factor, a
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Speaker 2: huge number, is really because of that conglomeration of all
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Speaker 2: those things. I just talked about offensively. OK, offensively, the
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Speaker 2: Eagles did some really good things in the first half.
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Speaker 2: First of all, they did something that Adam and I
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Speaker 2: talked about. They came out passing, passing on first down.
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Speaker 1: That was smart. We haven't been running the ball very well.
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Speaker 1: You loosen up a defense. You complete some early passes.
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Speaker 1: You get your quarterback in a rhythm. You get a
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Speaker 1: defense backed up. So it was nice to see the
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Speaker 1: Eagles come out passing.
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Speaker 2: I know they got their first first down on first
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Speaker 2: and 10 of the year pretty early there.
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Speaker 1: And then, of course, Barkley was doing well. He was averaging.
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Speaker 2: You saw him on the outside zone runs, on the
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Speaker 2: wide zone runs. He was getting to the edges. You know,
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Speaker 2: that Steen penalty really hurt because they were really moving
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Speaker 2: the ball well on the ground for the first time ever.
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Speaker 2: I saw people getting moved. I thought the left side
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Speaker 2: of the offensive line was moving people against.
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Speaker 1: This Bears front.
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Speaker 2: But again, you know, last year there were a couple
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Speaker 2: of games where the Eagles were able to run the
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Speaker 2: ball like the Giants that second day they Remember they
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Speaker 2: lost the giants the first time and they came back
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Speaker 2: the second time around and ran the ball on them. Well,
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Speaker 2: I believe the Minnesota game, they ran the ball on them. Well,
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Speaker 2: so we, we did see at times last year, elements
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Speaker 2: of the Eagles be able to run the ball and
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Speaker 2: then it would just go and disappear the next week
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Speaker 2: and the next week. So while I was in the
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Speaker 2: moment in the first half, I thought, man, you know,
8:09
Speaker 2: the Eagles were moving the ball on the ground pretty
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Speaker 2: well here. If they could just sustain some drives, uh,
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Speaker 2: and stop committing penalties or having bad plays, bad screens, uh,
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Speaker 2: then they've got something going here. But, man, then came
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Speaker 2: the second half. And, you know, I'm really curious. We'll
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Speaker 2: go through it with Greg Cosell on Inside the Tape.
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Speaker 2: I suspect what Greg is going to see on tape
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Speaker 2: is a change in what the Bears are doing defensively.
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Speaker 2: It looked to me like they were run blitzing more.
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Speaker 2: They were shooting the gaps with linebackers or safety up
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Speaker 2: in the box to try to get an extra body
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Speaker 2: in an extra gap and make Saquon have to kind
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Speaker 2: of hesitate or cut back. That's what it looked like
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Speaker 2: to me just watching from the TV. But we will
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Speaker 2: definitely get the all-22 version for you. But the bottom
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Speaker 2: line is the run game completely stunk again in the
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Speaker 2: second half. And without the run game, the Eagles were
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Speaker 2: once again in second and long and in third and
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Speaker 2: long in the second half. And, you know, me and
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Speaker 2: Adam DiCecco, we've been talking about it all week long.
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Speaker 1: Hurts has been playing great.
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Speaker 2: The offense has been doing great, despite the fact that
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Speaker 2: they've been in too many third and longs. That eventually
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Speaker 2: catches up to you when you play the better teams,
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Speaker 2: when you play the better defensive coordinators, when you play
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Speaker 2: on the road. I mean, that stuff will catch up
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Speaker 2: to you, and it absolutely did for the Eagles in
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Speaker 2: the second half.
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Speaker 1: You know, they opened the second half with a nice
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Speaker 1: seven-yard run.
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Speaker 2: Things are going great. So what does Sean Mannion do?
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Speaker 2: He calls a screen, which has been crappy all year long.
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Speaker 2: It gets totally sniffed out by T.J., And then the
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Speaker 2: next thing you know, first and 10 becomes second and three.
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Speaker 2: And then it becomes third and five because the screen
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Speaker 2: gets sniffed out. And then Hartz almost throws the pick.
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Speaker 2: And then the Bears go and go right down the
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Speaker 2: field and get the field goal. So they're up 13
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Speaker 2: to seven.
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Speaker 1: And then what happened? The Eagles get the ball back
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Speaker 1: this time. They only get a one yard run.
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Speaker 2: Then again, this is the stuff that keeps resurfacing. That
10:07
Speaker 2: makes you wonder if this Eagles offense is, is going
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Speaker 2: to take.
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Speaker 1: That step forward. And I know I talk about patience, but.
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Speaker 2: It's second and nine and they throw that orbit motion
10:17
Speaker 2: screen to Makai Lemon and that gets stuffed for minus three.
10:21
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden it's third and 12
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Speaker 2: bears bring pressure hurts kind of rolls around the pocket there,
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Speaker 2: tries to get out, winds up throwing the ball.
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Speaker 1: Out of bounds.
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Speaker 2: And that's what a lot of the second half looked like.
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Speaker 2: The Eagles would get the ball. They would either have
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Speaker 2: a negative screen or a bad run. They would be
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Speaker 2: in second and long. They would be in third and long.
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Speaker 2: And then there comes the pressure. And then there's a
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Speaker 2: sack or an interception or an almost interception or a
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Speaker 2: throw out of bounds because Hertz is running for his life.
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Speaker 2: And that was really the story for the second half and.
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Speaker 1: Why the Eagles did not move the ball. And that's
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Speaker 1: the concern.
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Speaker 2: The unforced stuff that I talked about earlier is, Not
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Speaker 2: as much concern because I think they can clean that up.
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Speaker 1: You don't always see that. But the lack of a
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Speaker 1: run game in the.
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Speaker 2: Second half, the constantly living in second and long and
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Speaker 2: third and long, and then asking Hurts to just make
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Speaker 2: play after play when he's got to throw the ball.
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Speaker 2: When you have to throw that ball, you have to
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Speaker 2: take seven-step drops. Your receivers have to run longer routes.
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Speaker 2: And that just invites the defense to come up on you.
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Speaker 2: And Dennis Allen and his defense did a very good
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Speaker 2: job in the second half of just like the Titans,
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Speaker 2: keeping Hurts in the pocket, not letting him break out
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Speaker 2: for too many runs. And then when he did have
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Speaker 2: to throw, he's either throwing on the run or out
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Speaker 2: of bounds, and he obviously duped him into a bad
11:35
Speaker 2: interception there. And that was the second interception of the game,
11:38
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Speaker 1: He has the Eagles number. All right.
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Speaker 2: when he has a prolific run game, like last year,
14:50
Speaker 2: they did not have a prolific run game for most
14:54
Speaker 2: of the game.
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Speaker 1: All right. The bears did not have nearly as much
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Speaker 1: success on the ground. They didn't even average.
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Speaker 2: Four yards per carry for the game. Even when they've
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Speaker 2: got a few better carries in the fourth quarter as
15:05
Speaker 2: the Eagles wore down.
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Speaker 1: Okay. They threw the ball.
15:08
Speaker 2: Quick game, quick game, quick game, quick game. And they
15:12
Speaker 2: made case Keenum get so comfortable. The guy hadn't started
15:15
Speaker 2: a game at three years. I heard Keenum on ESPN
15:19
Speaker 2: doing an interview after, and he said he and Ben
15:21
Speaker 2: were going through the game plan the night before going
15:24
Speaker 2: through things. Keenum likes to throw. And then Ben had
15:27
Speaker 2: a few suggestions. A few play calls that Keenum said
15:31
Speaker 2: wasn't really fine, didn't think it would work, something not
15:33
Speaker 2: comfortable with. But Ben convinced him to try it and
15:37
Speaker 2: go for it. And then Keenum said the 41-yard touchdown
15:40
Speaker 2: pass was definitely one of those plays that Ben wanted
15:44
Speaker 2: in the playbook that Keenum was reluctant to want to throw.
15:48
Speaker 2: So he trusted Ben. Ben was helping him get the ball.
15:51
Speaker 2: They neutralized pressure with all the quick game. But bad
15:55
Speaker 2: job by the Eagles to adjust to that. They were handsy.
15:59
Speaker 1: They were grabby.
16:00
Speaker 2: You know, the only two guys who I thought played
16:02
Speaker 2: well were Quinion Mitchell, who had two really, really amazing
16:05
Speaker 2: pass breakups. And, you know, maybe the knock-on cue is
16:08
Speaker 2: that he can't turn those into interceptions because one of
16:11
Speaker 2: them could have been a 99-yard pick six.
16:14
Speaker 1: But he played well. And, of course, Michael Carter Jr.
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Speaker 2: With what at the time looked like a game-saving tackle
16:21
Speaker 2: on Colston Loveland at the one-yard line. I thought that
16:25
Speaker 2: was going to factor in big time, To the end
16:27
Speaker 2: of the game, it didn't. But outside of those two,
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Speaker 2: those three plays by those two guys, the Eagles' defense,
16:34
Speaker 2: pass defense, was emasculated by Ben Johnson, Case Keenum, and
16:38
Speaker 2: the offense. And you don't often say that about Vic Fangio,
16:42
Speaker 2: but this is now two times in two different ways
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Speaker 2: that Ben Johnson has had Vic Fangio's number.
16:50
Speaker 1: Vic stayed in nickel.
16:51
Speaker 2: Mostly from what I could see every once in a while,
16:54
Speaker 2: he would bring a fifth man down on the line
16:56
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, but sometimes that was even out of nickel.
16:59
Speaker 2: And that's why they were more successful against the run.
17:01
Speaker 2: They played a lot better, but look.
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Speaker 1: Confused by some of the motion concepts.
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Speaker 2: There were a couple of throws I'll give credit to
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Speaker 2: Keenum and he made them under duress and pressure, but
17:12
Speaker 2: too many wide open wide receivers. And that is something that, listen,
17:17
Speaker 2: you're going to see a similar type of offense again,
17:20
Speaker 2: on short rest on Sunday when the Rams come to town,
17:23
Speaker 2: similar type of offense that the Jaguars run with the
17:26
Speaker 2: multiple tight ends, with the motion, the misdirection, the Eagles
17:31
Speaker 2: have to be a lot better than they were in
17:33
Speaker 2: that department.
17:34
Speaker 1: They were atypically loose in the secondary.
17:39
Speaker 2: And, you know, guys like Kalief Raymond burning you for
17:42
Speaker 2: 90 yards and a touchdown is not something you typically
17:44
Speaker 2: see from the Eagles defense. But, but again, You know,
17:48
Speaker 2: Rick Willen came here with a reputation for being grabby.
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Speaker 1: He was grabby. The way to attack his own defense
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Speaker 1: is in the flats.
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Speaker 2: A lot of those catches were outside the numbers in
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Speaker 2: the flats where receivers were able to turn up the
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Speaker 2: field and get yards.
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Speaker 1: And Vic is not going to blitz. He did blitz
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Speaker 1: a couple of times. He blitzed Woolen off the edge.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say Vic didn't try to adjust
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Speaker 2: or do things differently.
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Speaker 1: He did. It just didn't work.
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Speaker 2: He was definitely outclassed by Ben Johnson. As great as
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Speaker 2: Vic is, he's going to have to go back to
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Speaker 2: the drawing board here and figure out better ways to
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Speaker 2: stop these kind of offenses. The Rams may not always
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Speaker 2: beat the Eagles, but they score points on them. The 49ers,
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Speaker 2: we know, didn't score a ton of points, but they
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Speaker 2: got Vic's Defense on some trick plays, on some deep
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Speaker 2: plays in the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: Vic needs to.
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Speaker 2: Come up with a better answer for these types of offenses,
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Speaker 2: especially on days when the Eagles offense is not going
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Speaker 2: to be functioning.
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Speaker 1: At its best.
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Speaker 2: Outside of that, I think there's a lot more to
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Speaker 2: recap about this game. And you will hear myself and
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Speaker 2: Adam do that on Tuesday in our Inside the Birds
19:01
Speaker 2: postgame show. And of course, you'll get the DiCecco Daily
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Speaker 2: from Andrew Checo, who's out in Chicago.
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Speaker 1: He'll be in the locker room. He'll be bringing you
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Speaker 1: the intel from the locker room. Those are my initial
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Speaker 1: thoughts on this game. It's a loss.
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Speaker 2: It is not the end of the world. There were
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Speaker 2: some alarming things. There were some things I think that
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Speaker 2: are correctable, but I'll leave you with this. This was
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Speaker 2: the start of what's supposed to be a three-game gauntlet, right?
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Speaker 1: Bears, Rams, Jaguars.
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Speaker 2: And this should have been I don't want to say
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Speaker 2: an easier or simpler game, but the fact that the
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Speaker 2: Bears were on their third string quarterback and it was
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Speaker 2: a 38-year-old journeyman in Case Keenum should have given the
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Speaker 2: Eagles more of an advantage of these next three.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: This was the game that you felt like they should
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Speaker 2: definitely win because of that quarterback advantage. And not only
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Speaker 2: that win, but they get humiliated in the process.
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Speaker 1: So big test up ahead for the Eagles.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: Again, you'll hear from me and Adam on Tuesday.
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Speaker 2: You'll hear from the check on Tuesday, and then we'll
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Speaker 2: have a whole week's worth of great, coverage of not
20:08
Speaker 2: only this game, but the upcoming game against the Rams
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Speaker 2: on Inside the Birds.
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Speaker 1: That's going to do it for me.
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Speaker 2: I'm Jeff Mosher. Appreciate you watching. See you all very
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Speaker 2: soon on the Inside the Birds postgame show.
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Speaker 1: Take care.