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Corin Nemec- Parker Lewis Can't Lose + more! · Caught on the Mike...

• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, this is Caught on the Mic.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Caught on the Mic.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: I am Michael Clark, and I am so stoked because you know him as Parker Lewis from Parker Lewis.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Can't lose.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's a graffiti artist.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: He is an all-around badass renaissance man, Coronimic.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for joining me on the podcast today, my friend.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: My pleasure.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: My pleasure.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: I what a what a great uh uh a great job you did introducing me.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, for for real.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was uh I was doing like a cursory search of my Parker Lewis memories, and I will always know Abe is Kubiak.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care how many episodes of ER he did.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: Every time I was watching ER, I'm like, that's Kubiak, man.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's Kubiak.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, dude.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: He he's uh he he is quite a great guy as well.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um uh I have a show that I'm putting together right now, a new TV series, half hour comedy, um, with some great people involved.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: I can't say what it's about, or I can't even say the name of it, but uh currently I have uh Brian Green attached to it, David Faustino, myself, uh Vanessa Angel, Jason London, Abraham Ben Ruby, who we just spoke about, Ernie Reyes Jr.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's it's gonna be an awesome, awesome show.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: What a cast, dude.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's gonna be a great show.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh, you know, I I really wanted to get uh as many uh as many of my close friends that that were from that you know 90s pop culture, uh, you know, the TV shows.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, you know, Brian Green from Beverly Hills 90210, Fost Dino from Mary with Children, myself from Parker Lewis, and Abraham Ben Ruby Force from Parker Lewis and Vanessa Angel, who was you know is very well known from the 90s films uh that she starred in and the early 2000s film.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm I'm super stoked.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'll I'll get I'll we'll we'll catch back up on the mic down the road when this thing is.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, hell yes, man.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: Hell yes, we gotta talk about it.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's kind of let's take a step backward in order to stick take a step towards the present.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um you've got interests all over the place.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh you are a triple quadruple threat, if you will.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Your heart is in all sorts of form of the arts, whether it be acting or music or your graffiti work.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um your Instagram for the 169 is a fun follow, man.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: I uh like I did a cursory search of Parker Lewis.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: I spent a lot of time on that Instagram, and I was like, dude, I love this stuff.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: This is the type of stuff I want for backdrops for the podcast.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: So how did you come into graphic arts?
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Let's start there.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, the graffiti art scene for me really started out with uh with just uh the hip-hop culture in general.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_00: I was uh I was really into breakdancing, and uh uh me and my buddies had our own little kind of breakdancing crew back in Atlanta in the early 80s, and uh my my nickname was Kid Cruz.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and you know, I I I didn't know uh I didn't know how evolved graffiti art had gotten being in Atlanta at the time.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: It just really hadn't in the early 80s, it really hadn't picked up steam there, and my my graffiti art skills were quite rudimentary, although I was I was an artist in general.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: I love to draw and and and all of that.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: My both my parents are artists.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: My mom was a graphic artist in the music industry, and uh my father is a production designer in the film industry.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: And um so I you know I would do my my name Kid Cruise in these silly little block letters with some arrows or some little bubble letters and stuff, and uh and I I had seen on the news when uh the the graffiti writers, the famous graffiti writer scene had tagged the Hollywood sign.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it made nationwide news, and I was like, what?
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's some crazy, you know, uh that was just crazy to me.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: And um and sure enough, I ended up moving to Los Angeles um within a uh a couple of years of of all of this um getting into the the really getting into the breakdancing scene and the and the and the graffiti kind of scene uh in a very rudimentary way.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: And my mom transferred her job from the Fox Theater in Atlanta to the Pantagus Theater in uh in Los Angeles and Hollywood, which was both owned by the Niederlander uh company, the Niederlander Group.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: And um so I I ended up in eighth grade in my in a graphic arts class that I was taking.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: The great teacher, Mr.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_00: Menendez at Walter Reed Junior High, was there.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, coincidentally enough, um the the the guy who really got me into acting was also in my class there, uh David Van Gorder, who was uh uh Waldo in the Hot for Teacher video by Van Halen.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man, and and he was, you know, he was the first person I met who was like a legitimate actor, and I really wanted to get into acting.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: I got into an acting class with him and so on.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: But uh also in that class were two uh really, really well-known graffiti artists at the time in in LA, a guy named Spy 1000 from Metro Art Kings, and this guy Vision.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: And uh Vision and Spy 1000, like they're they're lettering, their characters, they they were just like uh transformative to me.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they were on a totally different level.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: I I didn't realize what you could do with lettering, right?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and with the characters, the B-boys and all of the stuff.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: I just I I was like, what?
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is what you guys are doing?
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like okay, okay, and then the tagging scene was on a totally different level than than you know, like me and my buddies at at uh at Sparkle's skate rink in Atlanta, you know, with like uh some magic marker that that that I I I don't even know where I got it from, you know, writing in in stupid little bubble letters on the trash can behind the behind the roller rink, you know.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: And uh these guys were like getting up like on freeways and and billboards and you know, just like the the whole scene was just really, really bananas in comparison to what I was used to, and I immediately uh just fell in love with it.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, all all my close friends at the time were were graffiti heads and in the in the hip-hop culture and whatnot.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, um you know, uh many of them as I grew up uh became well relatively well known as well.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um Justin Warfield, uh who's in the band She Wants Revenge, uh, we were in the same graffiti crew in the in the 80s called The Chosen Few, which is still the graffiti crew that I'm in to this day.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and uh also David Arquette, he used to tag someone from a crew called KGB, Kids Gone Bad, and then uh Seth Benzer, uh, May He Rest in Peace from from uh Shifty from Crazy Town.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: He used to tag back from uh CBS Crew, Can't Be Stopped.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: And we went to high school together, and uh um, you know, other people too, Yeshi Pearl from uh from uh Mickey Avalon.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I actually did the photos the photos uh for his first album is my photo.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh yeah he tagged Pearl from CBS Crew and you know, all these cats that I that I ran with, and um uh and and I just got I got really into it.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was my first real passion even before acting, and that's why I I I stuck with it even throughout you know the the uh the highs and lows of of being an actor, a professional actor, and and and different levels of celebrity and all of that stuff.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: I was still you know getting down with my graffiti art, but I was you know having to really keep it undercover.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I I couldn't go as hard as I went when I was young before I became more well known.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: I I had had to change my name uh several times because I got caught.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh my my first name was Extreme, uh E-X-T-R-E-E-M.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I was uh I I founded this crew called the uh the Bomb Society with a couple of other buddies in eighth grade and TBS, and it became pretty well known.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh and I got I I didn't get busted, busted with Extreme, but they found out who I was and they were waiting to get me, and I was like, yeah, I'll just change my name to Chrome.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I started tagging Chrome, K-R-O-M-E, and I would still use Extreme when I was doing murals and stuff.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: And um and uh and Chrome I got up really, really big with.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I got I I I was very well known as Chrome and I got busted pretty hard.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: I had I had like 200 and uh something hours of community service that I had to do, and uh it was better than going to Julia.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and so uh you know I I that's when I ended up changing my name to Pike, uh, which I still use to this day.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: And um uh, you know, I don't I don't really get uh you know go har as hard on the illegal stuff, obviously, anymore.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: Really the street art scene is different.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I got into the street art scene in the early 2000s, me and my buddy Surf from uh from my crew TCF.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we went back to the 80s, you know, together and everything.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and and we saw on on a lot of the blog spots and and uh a lot of the hype that was going on was was really all about the street art.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: And um a lot of the graffiti heads that we that we grew up with and with that we knew were just really anti-street art, you know, anti-poster art, anti-stencil art, just like you know, really shunning it.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: But me and him, me, me and uh surf, we embraced it and decided like, well, well, what is our version of us the stencil art?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: What is our version of the poster art and you know the stickers and all of that stuff, you know, and and the sticker game back then then was even kind of uh frowned on.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: And and uh and now it's like every graffiti writer has a sticker.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah you know what I mean?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's like now it's like just part of the culture.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um whereas still the poster art and the stencil art is kind of it it sort of wavers back and forth, but we our our crew TCF um it ended up uh you know it kind of it didn't peter out, you know, because there was different there was different um uh groups of TCF.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: We had TCF in Las Vegas, we had TCF in San Diego, we had TCF in Oakland, we got TCF down in Tijuana, and we have members of TCF now like worldwide.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: We are in Australia and Germany and France and the UK and in uh uh in South Africa and and and many other cities across the US.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, because once we once we got together in the early 2000s and started doing the street art, we we kind of had a little meeting of the minds with some with a couple of the OGs from our crew, which and our crew actually gave birth to uh AWR, which uh which is uh Angels Will Rise, and uh and that was a a prolific crew which gave birth to the seventh letter, which is this kind of like a legendary uh art crew that uh that does a lot of um really high-end uh uh graffiti art and in the um and and and regular art in the in the collectible community, you know, in the in in the uh uh somebody call it uh uh uh pop call pop art, you know, that kind of stuff.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: But um but anyway, uh so you know TCF was was around, but but we hadn't really been getting down in LA that hard since since like the mid-90s.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so in the early 2000s, we we had this meeting, and I was like, let's open up TCF to sticker heads, to stencil artists, to poster artists, and let's make this more of like an art collective.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and it expanded really, really quickly.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it just it really blew up uh because there was uh there was a respect for TCF as as uh as a crew because we came out of this, out of a we were a subset of this crew called KSN back in the 80s, uh uh King Stop at Nothing, which was a very, very well respected uh graffiti crew.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: And and uh and we really you know we had a great group of of graffiti writers that were in our crew during that time period and and had a lot of respect.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, there was uh other cats in the culture who you know who would love to get into a crew like that, but they're like, I'm a poster artist, I'm a stencil artist.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's like and we're like nah nah nah nah, let's open it up.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: And and it and it blew up, and we had uh a lot of cats getting in from you know from all overseas and and uh I cat in Japan even and uh um you know, so it it uh it became a lot of fun because then as I was traveling for work and stuff, when I'd be traveling overseas or going down, I've been down to Australia like 26 times, I'd get together with my crew members there, and Germany get together with my crew members there, or France, or or wherever, and uh and and I'd be able to go out and and put up my poster art and so you know, the stencils and things like that, and and uh and and also get to paint at the same time because they would know where to, you know, where we could get uh where we could paint at.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and and that goes along with like obviously we talked about you know like the five pillars of hip hop, you know, you you got your you know, your microphone, your dance style, your DJ skills, your dress code, and then your graffiti art, you know.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so trying to represent all five of those pillars was sort of something that people strove for.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: The one thing I never really got was the DJing.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: I just wasn't I just wasn't very good at it, you know.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't have the ear for mixing and the scratching thing.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: I was kind of you know, it sounded like a like a cat got a hold of the record, you know.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: And uh but but I but on the rap side I got really into that too.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: Me and me and some of my buddies uh that I that I grew up with as well started a rap group called uh um uh Starship of Fools.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: And uh Balthasar Getty was a part of that.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: He was our DJ, who he was an excellent DJ and and producer, one of our primary producers, and uh and Shane Mooney, who was uh Paul Mooney's son, is you know, is in that, and this guy named uh Tracy Mitchell uh uh from uh Oakland, he he was in the in the crew, and uh and you know we had a great theme to it, you know, and it was the the album is actually out.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: I I found the old recordings because they were kind of lost, but I found them and I put them up on Band Lab and on Um and one other uh what was the other one it's on?
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Band Lab has the better mix, it sounds better on Band Lab, but it's also on uh SoundCloud.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you search Starship of Fools or you look up I Am Coronimic, it should pop up if anybody's interested in listening to it.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was ahead of its time, I'll tell you that.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Did you find that being being children born in the 70s, coming of age in the 80s and 90s, do you find that attitudes changed as people our age got into law enforcement and uh you know the the illegal aspects of graffiti culture, like it's like man, I can't I can't bust this guy, man.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: I respect this shit too much.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think you know that I think what's what's kind of changed is that the that they you know, I not that I want to be uh you know get it get involved in any of that kind of that side of it, but back in the day, you know, if you got caught by the cops, sometimes you were lucky if you got arrested back in the 80s because you know it was not it there was a different there wasn't the internet, not everybody had cameras, there wasn't this whole thing.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, cops could kind of teach you their own version of a lesson, you know, back then.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: But also the you know the arresting juveniles was like a nightmare for for the police departments back then too.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: And so they used to give you these things called scare cards.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's what we called them.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that was the nickname for them back in the 80s.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: And there were these white slips of paper that they would write your information down on what they caught you doing or whatever, and they give you a scare card and they keep this receipt for it, you know.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and and then and and but nothing ever happened, right?
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so we would collect these things.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: We'd like you'd be like playing card games, like, oh, how many scare cards you got?
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: I got 10, you know, whatever, you know.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: It would be awesome to see like an online database of all the scare cards like posted up someplace.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: That would just be amazing.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: That would be, that would be, I should have kept mine.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: But that's also how legends are made, though, too, right?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because we didn't have the internet, because there weren't cell phones, because there wasn't instantaneous information, that's how the folklore would get built and some of these big names would become developed or established to a certain degree, right?
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, man.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, the other the other side of it too was was being a professional actor, but uh, but still being down with the whole subculture of the of hip hop and graffiti art and all of that.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: I had to walk this fine line of like, you know, being this one person in the public eye and on set and doing all of that, which I'm passionate about.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: So I wasn't like I wasn't acting any different than how I acted in any other way.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: But I, you know, I just wasn't like promoting the fact that I, you know, that I'm out there doing graffiti and stuff because it's like, God forbid, when I'm working on Parker Lewis, you know, that the producers are going, wait, what if he gets arrested for doing graffiti?
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it just like, ah, you know, they could freak out.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, but I was still painting like for for the at least the first couple of years of Parker Lewis, I was still uh out painting and getting up here and there.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I was so busy I didn't have as much time.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: But uh but it was fun because I was I was doing a lot of traveling then um and uh you know for doing promotional stuff and everything.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I would I'd always bring my little my little tagging kit with me, my mean streak and my marker and uh whatever else.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh, you know, when I get time to myself, I could split from the hotel in Philly or in Detroit or New York or wherever I was and go and uh and and slip out, you know, slip out on the streets for a few and and catch a couple of quick tags.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: What is it?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, this is kind of uh peeling the onion back a little bit and kind of tapping into a sense of nostalgia to a certain degree, but a lot of the people that you ran with are associated with, like Brian, like Robert Balthazar, and like um honestly, a good example, a a perfect time capsule was uh Soleil's kid 90 movie was like looking at that group of people in particular.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: What was it about that generation and that group of people that had that sense of renaissance with the culture?
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh you know, I think that I think that there wasn't there wasn't as much to be distracted by, you know, that's one thing.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: And also being real was was important to a lot of us.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you know, and if we if we were gonna ride hard, it didn't mean that, okay, suddenly I'm an actor, I'm not gonna, what does that mean?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not who I am, I'm not like I can't represent, I can't, you know, uh still go hang out with the same dudes I hung out with, and you know, go go go drink a 40 at the park instead of whatever, you know.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, it was funny though, because I because uh at a young age, I mean, I was being a I was getting into, you know, like even in my even in my 12th grade year of high school, we were like going to the to um uh to the Roxbury, you know, and and uh the Formosa Cafe and and the Dresden Room and all these kind of iconic Hollywood places where they really didn't care how old you were, they would they would serve you anyway.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: So it was it was pretty funny because I I kept a I kept a low profile in in a lot of ways in in my public school and uh where that I I went to a Walter Reed North Hollywood High School and I didn't promote that I was an actor at all.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't like that's not the hat that I wore around.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: I loved acting, and that was what I loved to do.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: But I was, I, I was, you know, the graffiti kid, you know, that and uh and and that was really the the embodiment of of who I represented in in my normal everyday life.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: So uh but but at the same time I I'd be like but some of my buddies would be like, yeah, we're going to this house party and in scene or whatever.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yeah, I'm going to the Roxbury.
• 22:34
  unknown: Right.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: I have very similar conversations with uh several people.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because I've got I've got high school kids, like all my kids are all in high school.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I've got twin stepdaughters that are seniors, my daughter is a senior, and my son is a sophomore, right?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I look at the the shit they get into these days, and it is so like wholesome and innocent compared to our generation, because I was the same way, man.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'd go into the local bar and I could get served at 16, 17 years old, and I took full advantage of that.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: But I see these kids and they're like they're all playing Fortnite in my basement on a Friday night.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, you guys, I don't know whether to be proud or be like, how lame are you guys?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I you know, I think that it's uh my my son's really into hip hop, he's got some some great stuff out as well.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um he goes by Grump.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: And uh when he first played me his stuff uh a couple years back, yeah, I was uh you know, I was apprehensive at first because uh, you know, you you just never know.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: And and he was really good.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, really good.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: He I he I I raised him in Houston, and he's got that dirty South, you know, Houston uh uh you know uh cadence to his his rapping style.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he's got some stuff out on on uh on both of those on platforms as well under Grump, G-R-U-MP, if anybody wants to look him up.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: But I I hooked him up with uh with a couple of my buddies out in LA, guy named Kevin Hicks, who's in a group called Gumbo.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: And he's he's we've been friends since since I was 13 years old.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh amazing rapper, and uh and he's getting into management along with Shane Mooney, who's who's a huge club promoter out there, does uh does all the big clubs and everything.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, but they're getting they st they're starting a management firm right now called 12M.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and it looks like my son is gonna be the first act that they that they signed.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Congratulations.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it has nothing to do with, yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that he's my son or not, because Kevin and Shane are as as raw and as old school as humanly possible as you can get.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: They don't they don't blow smoke.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: And when I sent them the music, Kev at first thought that I was sending him some beats to listen to, and he was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, those beats are dope, but who's that rapping?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's my son, that's why I sent them to you.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, get the fuck.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Yeah, dude.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: So you know, I'm stoked for him.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna get out to LA soon, uh, if everything works out right, and he'll be in the studio in in the next uh couple months and doing some some some real uh some real rhyme and not just in his room on his on his uh his desk mic.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's always a rewarding experience when you your kids kind of find their own voice and and find their own sound.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I'm going through something very very similar.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, taking one more step backwards before we move forward.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um what do you think about the you know, we touched on the idea of authenticity and being real, and that's kind of what our generation based itself on.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Do you feel that society at large is still that way?
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Or do you feel that you know being a little bit more artificial and fake has been promoted, and you know, we've kind of passed that era of art that was real and raw and authentic?
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, uh it's a loaded question.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say when you know, when you it's hard to tell who's real now when you got the whole P.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Diddy thing going on.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, wait a second, are you really a gangster?
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh but uh you know, I I think that's that the rawness of that time period, the you know, that that transition out of the party rap kind of stuff where hip-hop started and and that kind of evolved into, you know, uh different layers of of hip-hop, you know, that hip-hop got taken over by the by the by corporate by the music corporations and stuff, and and they steered it in a direction that that organically it wasn't going in.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: It was going more towards what what we used to kind of call intelligent hip-hop, you know, like the X clan and and and leaders of the new school, and uh well, I'm not even Souls of Mischief and uh uh and um Poor Righteous Teachers.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, obviously KRS1 and uh you know uh uh Public Enemy, uh uh there's uh Eric B and Rock Him.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean Rock M's lyrics are enlightening, you know what I mean?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and and that was the direction kind of in uh you know that it was going in.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Brand Nubian is another example of that, Jungle Brothers.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh if it had been allowed to evolve organically in the direction it was going, I think it would have been transformative for the inner city as much as they how the gangster rap took over, and that's what was being promoted, and that's what was being sold, and then what did that do for the inner city, you know, inner city?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: And also then you are you you you know, on the flip side of that, you had all these suburbanites acting gangster and trying to emulate that whole lifestyle and that that kind of uh uh that that way of uh of behaving and talking and everything else, you know.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: So uh and now, you know, now it's it's hard to tell you know who's real and not real until you're with them in person, until you go and see how they live and and hang out with them and all of that.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: And again, that's why I I've stuck with the cats that I grew up with.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: And the graffiti culture is is very real still to this day.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: So when I travel and I and I connect up with with graffiti writers uh in different countries or different cities, you know, I was just shooting a movie called Myra down in Tijuana recently, and cats from my crew, uh Torso and Wonder, uh, and some other cats that it that are in the TJ clique.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, we went out and painted while I was down there with those cats.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, they're just they're they're as raw and real as you can get, you know, and that that keeps me grounded in not being aloof and and living in this fantasy world of, oh, I'm I'm coronimic, I'm like this actor, this, you know, getting all weird and everything, start dressing in boas and you know, whatever, you know, getting a little too creative.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, you know, so so that sticking uh sticking with the graffiti culture, the graffiti scene, and and all the dudes that I grew up with has kept me, you know, locked into uh just being me, you know, without trying to without trying to to put on put put on any kind of show for anybody.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I don't have to.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's totally and also my teacher that I studied with for 15 years, Manu Tupo, I I wrote a book about uh his his technique called the New Era Acting Technique, uh that's out on Lulu.com called uh how to create a character for the stage or life.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, his technique was was antithetical to the method or anything else.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: It was all creation and all this, but it was really it was a spiritual psychology in a way, because what he was introducing us to was the fact that personality is something that gets programmed into us, and you know, a spiritual essence is going to is going to come out and people are going to perceive it as a personality, right?
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: But it doesn't mean that you're behaving as a personality complex, meaning all of the you know what what you've learned from you know from your teachers, what you've learned from your preacher, what you've learned from your parents, what you've learned from this, that, the other.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, all of that collects together and solidifies into this idea of who we think we are.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: And his objective was to strip that away and toss it out and be like, no, you're a blank slate.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's what he used to, you know, the term he used to use.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: You have to be the blank slate, and then when you become a character for film and television, you know, then you can start adding those things to the character that you want to make it, you know, really come to life.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: And you can do that in life too.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to be this character that you've the that's been created for you.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's like some and and and he he used the the um uh the reference to the fact that an actor can you know put on a British accent or can become a hobo, can oh, he can be from New York or he can be from Alabama or all of these different things with the with the dialectic cadence, with the with the mannerisms, with the different look, with the different posturing, and all of these kind of things, so believable that you're like, wow, that I believe that guy is that guy.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then they get offset and they're like, hey, what's up, buddy?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and and and that's how it is in life, because some people get so locked into their character that they can't change their the way that they talk, they can't change their accent, they can't change their manners, and they can't change their their gener their general behavior or reactions or or whatever it is, you know.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that's and to me, once I once I had that aha moment in his class, was like, oh shit, I could have, I could have got I could have been lost.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: I could have lost myself in some character that I that you know, whether I created the character for me and and got locked into it and believed that it was real, or it was created for me by my environment, by my life experience, and by everything that I learned, you know, is going, okay, dude, I can disagree with all of that.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: I have that power to say, no, I'm not that.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not the name that I was given at birth.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm a spiritual being, and that's and that's the main, you know, the main thing that that that's uh that I've always uh kept myself attached to, you know, and uh and that keeps me grounded as well because I I don't uh you know I can I can see when the reactionary side of me is trying to to come out or when you know when when that when that that aspect of personality wants to take over and run the show, and whenever that happens, it rarely does it turn out well.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, that's that's that's absolutely the truth.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: The other day I was I had Eric Bass from Shinedown.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's the bass player, bass player with the last name Bass.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: But he's the bass player from from Shinedown, and he and I were talking about it, and the analogy that I used is right now the world is pro-wrestling, and nobody knows where the shoot begins or the work starts or when the work ends and the shoot begins, right?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like because of that, because we are in such a reactionary state, and coincidentally, um one of the my side hustles that I do is I'll I'll call MMA fights, I'll be sitting cage side and uh the cageide commentary.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: And my buddy that was my co-host at one of the last events, Bud Crawford, was sitting right behind the behind us, number one fighter in the world, and we wanted to get a shot with him, but my buddy couldn't open his phone because he installed this app on his phone that makes him wait 30 seconds before he's able to access anything on his phone, and that's to control that reactionary behavior.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting, Crick.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if we needed an app to control it, I don't know.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, dude, man.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: The younger version of myself, because this kid's quite a bit younger than me.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: The younger version of myself would have needed an app.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm so I'm so glad that we didn't have all of this technology and everything back in the day.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, for me, it would have been I mean, A, I I I love uh privacy, I love anonymity, you know.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't uh, you know, I I I've kind of uh in some ways, I mean I've I've I've remained a working actor throughout my entire life, you know.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: I the only year that I went really not working was after I got into a terrible boat wreck filming in Belize, and I was unable to work because I was learning how to walk again, you know.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: So it's and and uh but besides that, it's been consistent, consistent, consistent.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: I have some great projects that have come out recently as well.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh one I'm very proud of called Place of Bones, starring opposite Heather Graham uh with Tom Hopper in that as well.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it's it's a talk about creating a character.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: They the character I play Calhoun in that is uh is uh I mean, what a guy, what a what a what a what a particular uh personality this thing is, you know.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: And uh uh it's well worth watching.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I have one that just came out recently uh called I Feel Fine.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's a tragic story about teen suicide and a and and and you know father uh parents who have to deal with that, and and and uh it's a very difficult uh movie to watch, but uh but again the the the stark difference between the two characters in those is is is you know pretty telling.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: And um uh and then I had another film come out uh not that long ago that that I also wrote and produced called Deadly Justice.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's on on Tubi now.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that's a fun movie.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: We had a$225,000 budget, but we did uh I thought we did very good with it.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: I had a really nice cast, uh, and that's out there right now too.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: And and then this new one that's coming out uh hopefully sometime uh this year, uh with hopefully within the next few months, uh Joe Baby with uh Deacon Lochman and Harvey Kaitel, Ron Pearlman, and uh I have a nice little role in that, which is which is fun.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: But uh uh and then another one that came out recently, um Day Labor, which is an interesting thriller uh that's that's gotten some good uh some good viewing.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: And and there's there's other ones too, man.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: I just I've been working doing so so so many that I've I forget I forget now.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: I did that.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: I got that.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: So the one I just shot, the one I just shot down in Tijuana, Myra, is an action adventure, great, great film with uh the same director who did day labor and uh Frasier, he's a great guy.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh in fact, one of my scripts I wrote, we're we're partnering up on, and hopefully we'll be making that uh uh sometime this year.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I was gonna ask about that.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: You uh I saw a few posts you threw up this week announcing some new projects.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do you ever get downtime, man?
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: Too much.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, if if if I could, I'd be a hell of a lot uh busier.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I stay very active because I I enjoy producing and uh and writing.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh writing I really love.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: I got another project also right now that I'm I'm putting together that's uh hopefully we'll have funding uh next week for it.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see if everything goes well, but it's a mockentary, a horror comedy.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and yeah, it's uh I again I I wish I could say the title of it and all of that stuff, but it's got to stay on the down low.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: But uh but it's to come back on and talk about it.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: But it's very funny, you know.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's it just in the same vein as all as all the other mockumentaries, you know.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: But uh and it would be soft scripted as well, meaning that there's not really any dialogue written.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: It'd be it'd be uh improv and uh we would follow the whole thing like a real documentary, like you would, and uh and then the a great group of actors that I've pulled together for it, everybody will just become their characters, and then we'll just go through the scenarios as they're scripted, and whatever happens, happens.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's you know, it's a roll of the dice, but I'm I'm I'm excited about it.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: So if you were to kind of take a step back and look at your career in 1993 and think about corn in 1993 versus corn in 2025, like how do you view the two different versions of yourself considering your body of work?
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: I you know, I think I I think I uh I like the version uh that I am now uh far more than than the version that I had projected for myself back then.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think that if I had and and and I and that all really is because I I met Manu Tupo and studied in his class for 15 years until he passed away in 2005.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: And um and if it wasn't in fact, my son's middle name is Manu, named after him.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's how much I love this guy.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: And uh if it wasn't for him, I think I would have gone down that road of of becoming this character, you know, this the this caricature of myself, rather, you know what I mean?
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: And um but uh and and back then I just you know certainly I saw myself as a working actor and all of that, but kind of in my in in that weird sort of Hollywood way, I kind of pictured a different version of me in this Hollywood kind of glamorous, glamorizing type of a of a of a thing.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and and fortunately that never manifested because I would prefer to be oh A, I also didn't embrace the whole selling myself, you know, like trying to always be out there and be in the public and be on this show and that talk show and in this in this paper and this rag, you know.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: I stopped using using a publicist and uh you know after Parker Lewis because I just didn't like the way that I was being represented.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't feel like it was authentically me.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and I think that might have hurt my career in some ways, but when I look back, I've never stopped working, you know.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, sure, you know, when after I did uh uh Stargate, yeah, I did a whole slew of of sci-fi originals that are, you know, some of them are are fairly unwatchable, but I enjoyed every damn one because I love to act, you know, and some of them were really good.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the ones that I produced uh I thought turned out better than the ones I just acted in.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um but uh it was uh you know for me any opportunity to to uh create a character and and and deliver a character for uh a production is is an opportunity to see if if I can if I can deliver something that wasn't necessarily on the page or make the film better because I did a good performance or or or hopefully a great performance, you know.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: But uh and I think that's one of the one of the reasons why I've been able to maintain um uh consistency as an actor as well as because I've I've stepped outside the box of just being like uh a guy on the street for hire and and really worked on producing you know uh material for myself and writing material for either myself or for others.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I just had a film that I wrote that came out last year called Dead Man's Hand, that that's uh starring Steven Dorf and Cole Hauser and Jack Kilmer.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: And uh uh, you know, the part that I played in it didn't have one line of dialogue.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I wrote the and I wrote the the film along with Brian Skiba, the director.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, you know, but for me it would the most exciting part was seeing my name up there as a writer.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, that's so fun, that's like that's that's what I love.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's huge to me, you know.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man, it's like I I I wish more people would do that and take autonomy over the art and just like you know, live through it, because it sounds like that's what you have done and what has helped kept you working and kept your head above water to a certain degree, because there's a a level of sanity that comes with controlling what you're a part of, too, right?
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, there is.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the the hustle is real, you know.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can tell you that.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the you know, the other the other side of it is that if I see a script that has a very small budget to it, you know, that that talks to me, then I'm I'm willing to do it, you know, even if the pay is garbage.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, I'll be like, you listen, what am I doing?
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm sitting around you know my office writing scripts.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: I can be out there acting in a movie that's that's that's produced right now, and I might as well, you know, take these jobs.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: And and uh, you know, fortunately for me, the the most of them have turned out really you know quite good for small independent features.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um and then, you know, uh creating shows for myself too.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, me and Jason London created a show called Blackwater Blues that the pilot episode is on my YouTube channel, uh Coronemic TV.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um but uh and you know, and it's one of those things where you know we spent all this blood, sweat, and tears and and shot this pilot and uh it turned out great and did the whole entire uh you know Bible for it, and it's all ready to go.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's ready for it's ready for TV.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: And to get eyeballs on it was like uh it's so difficult to get it in an actual room with somebody, to get it you know, in front of the right person to say, yeah, uh good.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Good because I because I had the experience doing that with David Faustino years ago when we did a a TV show for Sony Television in Crackle called Starving, this ridiculous comedy, you know.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and we we pitched to so many different people.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: We had great representation over at UTA, and uh and that's how we got in the room.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: But it's uh I gotta tell you, you know, as a professional actor, it's difficult to get good uh literary representation because it seems to me that everything is very compartmentalized in the film business, you know.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: So um as as as many times as I've been with some of the bigger agencies that had lit departments, it was like impossible to get them to get me in with the lit department.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, I'm already represented over here.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I not why aren't you guys what what's going on?
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to just go outside of the whole system and just do things on my own, you know.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, mad respect for that for sure.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now you've been doing a lot of these, a lot of podcasts lately.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when you consider the different seasons of your life, do you find it hard to tap into what your mindset was when you were, say, doing a show like Parker Lewis or Stargate versus some of your more recent projects?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the only reason I ask that is I think about it in contrast of my own life, like different musical projects I was a part of, or you know, different things with my parenting life or my professional life and this, that, and the other thing where I'm just like, you know, I could tell you about that thing, but my memory is like rose-tinted glasses only.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I used to love wearing rose-tinted shades back in the day, actually.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um But uh, you know, I I think the only thing that that's that I look back on uh everything everything's very vivid for me, and I take my I take my jobs very seriously.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I show up on time, I show up prepared, and and I show up to to have a good time while I'm there and to support the project and not be some weird some weird dude in his dressing room who everybody's afraid to knock on the door, you know what I mean?
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: And and it's like, you know, I want to be a team player.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's a whole part of it.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how I was on on all of the you know on those shows.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh the the only thing that I do miss really is the consistency.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: Being on a on a on a as a regular on a TV series, you kind of know what your year looks like and maybe your maybe your next couple of years or whatever, you know.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and I and that's just that's the greatest blessing in in our in our industry to be able to sit back and and do what you love to do and know how long you're gonna be doing it for.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because nowadays, the the way the movies go, I mean, hell, I I used to do movies of the week back in the in the in the 80s and 90s, and we had five, six-week shooting schedules and you know, two to three to four million dollar budgets for a TV movie, and now I'm doing TV movies, and you have a 12-day shooting schedule and$500,000 or less.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, wow, uh times times have changed.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: But uh for me, it's the same, uh it's the same feeling when I'm on set, though.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same enthusiasm and excitement, especially if it's something that I'm I'm uh producing, co-producing, or writing and producing or or whatever.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: And uh that that that adds even more um importance to it for me on a daily basis, you know, just knowing that that I'm not just a cog in the wheel of somebody else's, you know, dream, I'm a cog in the wheel of my own dream, which is which is far more uh beneficial to me spiritually, you know.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: I just I get a lot out of that.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_01: What's your great white buffalo?
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_01: What's the one thing that you haven't done yet that you would love to do?
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: That one role, that one project, it can be movies, TV, music, graffiti, whatever.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: What's that one thing you haven't done yet that you still aim to accomplish?
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I guess two things.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: I would I mean I would love to to I wrote a book called Venice High that's also on lulu.com and it's uh it's it's uh kind of a novella uh and it's loosely based on my life growing up as a graffiti writer in North Hollywood, except it takes place in Venice Beach because it's more exciting.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and you know, but I I ended up you know taking that and and developing it into a pilot and and and did develop a TV show for it and all that, and and wasn't able to get that sold yet either.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I I would love to do something that that is in that world, you know.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's that that would be very exciting to me.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_00: Even if I was just acting in it, you know, like if they if they did a redo of Turk 182 and they were like, Yeah, we want you to play Turk, I'd be like, Yes! Even though I'm too old to play Turk now.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh but the other thing too is um I I've always wanted to do a film that takes place during the Middle Ages, you know, uh during the medieval times.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I that's just something that I was a huge, huge fan of the movie X Caliber when I was a kid.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_00: And like that movie just blew my mind.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and I just I've always wanted to be able to be in something that takes place during that time period.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't written anything that takes place during that time period.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: I thought of one thing that that that uh that was about this uh I I read, I I I can't remember where I read it.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was either an article or I was just surfing the web or whatever, but about this hilarious court jester who used to uh every time he would do one of his jokes, he'd leap in the air and whistle and fart.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: And he'd go and like that would be like you know how he do it.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a real dude.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: He was very famous.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: He like he he he got he retired with with a good amount of money for a court jester back then, you know.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: And they had a lot of uh uh leeway with the with uh with the powers that be because they were really the only person that was allowed to make fun of the king or the or or or the people in the in the in the king's council or whatever, you know.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: He he was like the stand-up comedian of his day, you know.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and I I I I started uh doing a bunch of background research to write a a comedy in the Middle Ages about this famous uh court jester.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, but it it just uh I kind of got swamped with some other shit and it sort of went on the back burner.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: That would be amazing.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, man, my closing question is my favorite question to ask everybody because I get such a wide range of diverse answers.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: But what is your advice for making the world a better place tomorrow than what it is today through your eyes?
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'd say my my best advice is to is to be kind to yourself so you can be kind to others and uh and just uh know that I mean whether you believe it or not, know that you're a spiritual being and you're connected to something much bigger than than this this physical world around us.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's this is this is the manifestation of something uh much bigger that's going on behind the scenes.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: This is the projection.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_00: We're looking at the shadows on the cave wall right now, and uh and we're not seeing the light that's making the shadows.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_00: And it's you know, I I would say, you know, practice being the light and uh and then make some great shadows.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: Dope, man.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: Tell my audience where they can find you and your projects, my friend.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, um, I use the uh the name I am, letter I, letter M, and then my name Coronimic.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it's I'm Coronemic.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: And that's pretty much across all the platforms.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's Instagram, it's on X, it's on Facebook, uh my YouTube channel obviously is Corn Nemic TV.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you can find I am Corn Nemic there on the SoundCloud and Band Lab as well.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um there might be some other ones out there that I forgot about that I forgot I set up and haven't done anything with.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: But then also on the graffiti side, if you're interested, you can check out uh at the169.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: And that's on uh that's the numbers one, six, and nine with the in front of it, and that's on Instagram.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's where that's where I post all my stuff for the last however many years that I've been posting on there.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you get quite quite an adventure uh uh around the world there.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_00: But um, and then also if you if you look up um Flint Public Art Foundation, they're putting out a graffiti.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: I did one of their graffiti mural uh festivals there uh a year or so ago, and one of my one of my paintings is in their book.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_00: So you can get the uh you can get their book if you look up Flint Public Art uh Foundation online, you can find it, and then their book will be there and you can order it, and I'll have my my art in that book.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: And if you are interested in some of my writing, uh you can go to Lulu.com and search Coron Nemek.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Venice High won't come up because I published it under my birth name for some stupid reason.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: So Joseph C.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: Nemic IV, then you can find Venice High.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: But under Coron Nemek, you can find uh the the acting book, How to Create a Character for the Stage and Film.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you can find three books of poetry, uh, different kinds of styles, and a bunch of um uh scripts that I've published just for fun that haven't been made yet.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh some some cool stories there to read.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I I did all the artwork for all of these things, all the cover art and everything I did myself, the graphic design, and uh and all the scripts are hardcover, so uh, you know, they're kind of collectible, they got a nice feel to them, glossy coating and all that stuff.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: So uh check it out.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: Man, dude, thanks for giving me your time tonight.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I'm glad we're connected and glad to call you a friend now.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, man, the world is a much better place with you and it, my friend.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, friends.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: I hope to stay in it for a very long time.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_01: No, for real.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: When these uh when these other projects flesh themselves out, you know who your guy to call.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, we'll do a follow-up, no doubt.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thanks for doing the show, my friend.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_01: You bet my I want to thank my good friend Corinne for doing the show today.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_01: What a lot of fun.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you are following his Instagram account.