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The Week That Was - 11th November 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio for the week that was.
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  Speaker 1: We have got the colps Marie Claire Booth b good
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  Speaker 1: morning to you.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, and good morning listeners, tho you saining cool.
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  Speaker 1: We've got nine News, Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, Good morning, Kathleen.
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  Speaker 1: And we've got Brent Potter for the ALP. Good morning
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  Speaker 1: to your.
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  Speaker 3: Brent Morning, Katie, Morning listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Good to have you all in the studio. And of
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  Speaker 1: course it is the day where we will pause to
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  Speaker 1: remember it is Remembrance Day. At about eleven am this morning,
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  Speaker 1: we will go silent here at the radio station and
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  Speaker 1: right across the nation to remember those we have lost.
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  Speaker 1: And Brent, I'm sure that this is an incredibly important
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  Speaker 1: day for you. I've given the fact that you are
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  Speaker 1: a veteran.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm going to run straight from here down to
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  Speaker 4: the Cenata for ten thirty, so extremely important.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and no doubt plenty happening around the place. Ten thirty,
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  Speaker 1: I think is when it is all kicking off, lots
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  Speaker 1: of different locations.
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  Speaker 5: So go one and parmesan run by the Parmesan RASL
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  Speaker 5: and I'm wearing my puppy today. I'll be racing Strada
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  Speaker 5: to Parmesan to make sure we get to that. It's
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  Speaker 5: always a fantastic That is a great Poppy's it been niche? Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: this one's from Bill roy House over there on the
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  Speaker 5: raft base and the administrator had given these out to us.
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  Speaker 5: I think it might have been last Ann's that day.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I always proudly wear it.
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  Speaker 1: Good stuff. Well, let's move along. There is so many
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  Speaker 1: issues for us to discuss this week, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that it is only fair that we do start off
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  Speaker 1: with the terrible situation that we saw unfolding Alice Springs
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the week. We know that five youths aged
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  Speaker 1: between eleven and thirteen, well, they were arrested earlier in
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  Speaker 1: the week after a Toyota Prato was stolen from the
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  Speaker 1: ABC before being observed driving dangerously through the CBD. We
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  Speaker 1: know the police did indeed apprehend those young offenders, but
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  Speaker 1: the scenes that we have seen out of Alice Springs
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  Speaker 1: were like something out of Grand Theft Auto is the
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  Speaker 1: way that it's been described. It was horrendous behavior and
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  Speaker 1: horrendous to to see those youths allegedly ramming a police
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  Speaker 1: vehicle or trying to ram a police vehicle. I think
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  Speaker 1: the thing that was probably most concerning as well is
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  Speaker 1: that the police actually had to issue that warning to
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  Speaker 1: people who live in Alice Springs, telling them not to
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  Speaker 1: go into the city because it was quite sim too dangerous.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the only other time that I've seen a
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  Speaker 6: warning like that from police and their whole time that
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  Speaker 6: I've worked in news was when Ben Hoffman was going
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  Speaker 6: around Darwin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Right, so that's the only other time that I've seen
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  Speaker 6: the police issue a warning like that to avoid an area.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was what I was struck by that as well.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, I haven't seen something like that come out before.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been doing this show for eight years, I've
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  Speaker 1: been in the media for twenty so it was something
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  Speaker 1: that I was certainly surprised by, and it really did
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  Speaker 1: make everybody realize just how dangerous that situation was. And
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  Speaker 1: then I think that, you know, the fact that we
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  Speaker 1: then learned that those youths were aged between eleven and
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  Speaker 1: thirteen was the incredibly frightening part. Because I've got an
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  Speaker 1: eleven year old I can tell you right now she
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know how to drive a car, and if I
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  Speaker 1: let her get behind the wheel of one, it would
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  Speaker 1: be bloody dangerous.
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  Speaker 5: Katie, this is like it is, this is really serious.
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  Speaker 5: I mean when we have young people who are actively
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  Speaker 5: going out of their way to organize crime, like this
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  Speaker 5: is organized crime.
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  Speaker 2: Now they're young people.
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  Speaker 5: They went I took the CCTV out, they stole the vehicles,
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  Speaker 5: they actively drove around. Police had to not only warn
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  Speaker 5: people not to go into the CBD, but they pulled
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  Speaker 5: back their own vehicles. So we have a group of
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  Speaker 5: really young people who are now taking over towns and
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  Speaker 5: police are too frightened to go out and that's not
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  Speaker 5: okay when and what we've seen that this response by
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  Speaker 5: government is almost nothing. And what we know is that
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  Speaker 5: in a couple of weeks time again it's in Parliament
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  Speaker 5: and their solution to this is to rag the raise
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  Speaker 5: the age of criminal responsibility.
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  Speaker 2: So those youths.
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  Speaker 5: Who know how to drive a car, who know how
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  Speaker 5: to steal a car and take out CCTV are now
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  Speaker 5: not going to be held criminally responsible. And when is
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  Speaker 5: the tipping point that something serious has to change?
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a bit of a stretch. Maria, say
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  Speaker 3: they're taking over the town and.
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  Speaker 4: Did they talk about interruption to say that this is
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  Speaker 4: organized crime. I think police would have a very different
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  Speaker 4: take on what organized crime is. And if you go
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  Speaker 4: down south is a very different that that means very
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  Speaker 4: different things. But what I would say is to say
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  Speaker 4: we're not doing anything.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we've got chamber.
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  Speaker 4: Commerce, the business is down there, We've brought in the
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  Speaker 4: Socialist wort a response team, we've got more police than
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  Speaker 4: we've ever had down there. Yep, rightly, so there is
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  Speaker 4: an issue at the moment El Springs.
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  Speaker 3: No one's shying away from that.
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  Speaker 6: But takeing Whifle cops to the government to admit that
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  Speaker 6: it's certainly taken.
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  Speaker 3: Quite a long insurance. This is an emergency, no doubt.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean at the same time, we've now got
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  Speaker 4: all your businesses, you've got police, you at the department,
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  Speaker 4: you've got government all working together. To say that we're
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  Speaker 4: not doing anything sort of flies in the face of
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  Speaker 4: those people who come to the table to find a solution.
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  Speaker 4: That particular instance is horrible. Now eleven year old should
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  Speaker 4: be driving a car, let alone a manual like these
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  Speaker 4: kids should not be out there doing that. And I
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  Speaker 4: think that's one of the reasons why you know, mister
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  Speaker 4: Warne's come really strong out this and saying we know
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  Speaker 4: where we need to we'll get involved and we'll make
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  Speaker 4: sure those kids are safe when their parents.
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  Speaker 3: You know, not at home well.
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  Speaker 1: And this is obviously, you know, this is the point
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  Speaker 1: that the that the Minister's now come out. We know
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  Speaker 1: that they had announced about a week or two ago,
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  Speaker 1: the source the Social Order Response Team, where everybody is
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  Speaker 1: at the table trying to discuss these solutions. The government
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  Speaker 1: at pains throughout this weekend also last week to say, look,
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  Speaker 1: we're open to ideas, we're open to suggestions, but the
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  Speaker 1: fact is behavior has been going on for an awfully
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  Speaker 1: long period of time. What we've seen this week, I
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  Speaker 1: think if it's not a tipping point, then I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what else could possibly be. You know, the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you've got the kids that are in danger themselves,
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  Speaker 1: you've got the fact that the community is in danger
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  Speaker 1: and the police officers in danger. But you know, the
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  Speaker 1: thing that I find really worrying is that eleven year old.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like, we shouldn't have eleven year old kids
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  Speaker 1: out on the street. We all understand that, and then
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  Speaker 1: to think that they're behind the wheel of a vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: I do worry that one of those kids is going
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  Speaker 1: to end up losing their lives. I think everybody is
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  Speaker 1: worried about that happening. I think that is the real concern.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, what's it going to take to unfortunately, take
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  Speaker 6: a bit of a harder approach with perhaps these type
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  Speaker 6: of kids. That the sort stuff is fantastic with the
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  Speaker 6: no service, no school, engaging with the kids who are
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  Speaker 6: at risk and potentially open to being recruited by some
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  Speaker 6: of these more harder hardened kids as well.
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  Speaker 1: In particular, given that a couple of those that were
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  Speaker 1: in the.
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  Speaker 6: Car the other night had never been encountered by the
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  Speaker 6: police and services whereas others had, so they are obviously
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  Speaker 6: out there actively recruiting others to come along with them,
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  Speaker 6: which is unfortunate. But there is also the question of
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  Speaker 6: where are their parents? What is happening with the parents
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  Speaker 6: in this instance. You know, I spoke to one of
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  Speaker 6: the town counselors yesterday, Michael Little, and he is like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, there's mums and dads out there who aren't
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  Speaker 6: being parents, and unfortunately a lot of them is just
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  Speaker 6: easier to get drunk than to be a parent.
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  Speaker 5: So you talk about are there, you talk about the
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  Speaker 5: tipping point of what that is, and you know, is
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  Speaker 5: it going to take one of these youths to die?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we already had a youth who died at
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  Speaker 5: the hands of themselves in a car where they stole
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  Speaker 5: it a territory family's child and they took it out
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  Speaker 5: to the rural area and that child died. You remember
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  Speaker 5: that a few months ago. So we're already at that
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  Speaker 5: point and nothing is happening. I mean, Katie, you called
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  Speaker 5: for an intervention of some sort. Selena Ubo, the minister
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  Speaker 5: doesn't want to use that word.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're bread. What do you think should happen?
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  Speaker 4: Well, everyone uses the capital eil when they're a food intervention.
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  Speaker 4: What I think needs to happen is exactly. I think
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  Speaker 4: what you said, Kaye was't liven year old out at
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  Speaker 4: night time? Where's the parents? So they need you have
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  Speaker 4: to let me answer. I mean that's the whole point
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  Speaker 4: of this.
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  Speaker 3: You asked question today.
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  Speaker 4: So what needs to happen is when those kids are
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  Speaker 4: out of that time, we need to get police, territory
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  Speaker 4: families together and remove that kid from that situation right
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  Speaker 4: then and then and the next day, going really hard
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  Speaker 4: with territory families and find out what's going in the
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  Speaker 4: family environment. But to say that the cars are being
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  Speaker 4: stolen like kids and it's not helping anywhere else in
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  Speaker 4: the world in Australia, for instance, Queensland. It's happening in
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  Speaker 4: queens and they've got a big problem to make.
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  Speaker 1: It right though.
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  Speaker 3: Comes across.
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  Speaker 1: I think the government's got to realize that that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you can't keep sort of saying all right, it happens
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  Speaker 1: in other places, or we're never going to have this
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  Speaker 1: kind of crime. Everybody gets that. But what the community
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  Speaker 1: is saying right now is we need to sort this out.
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  Speaker 1: And we know that it's complex to use the government's words,
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  Speaker 1: but you know something does need to happen right now
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  Speaker 1: to ensure that those kids are safe and to ensure
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  Speaker 1: that the community is safe. Now. I'm not the one
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  Speaker 1: who called for an intervention. I don't know exactly who did.
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  Speaker 1: I know that Robin Lamley said that there did need
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  Speaker 1: to be a curfew in town. She didn't call for
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  Speaker 1: the intervention. She called for a curfew in town. But
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  Speaker 1: the minister is the one who said that there needs
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  Speaker 1: to be some kind of intervention here, the Minister to
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  Speaker 1: Territory Families, she's the one who's used those words, and
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  Speaker 1: she has said, yeah, the police Minister had said that
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  Speaker 1: there does need to be a situation here that there
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  Speaker 1: is a clear message to parents and caregivers. She said,
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  Speaker 1: what we need is to make sure that those parents
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  Speaker 1: in Alice Springs understand fully that if they're young people
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  Speaker 1: are out at night time, and if they're returned to
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  Speaker 1: them the next time, that may not happen. She said,
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  Speaker 1: they may be taken into care and protection and if
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  Speaker 1: you're not capable of keeping them at home, then territory
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  Speaker 1: Families will assist you to do that work, and we
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  Speaker 1: will be making an intervention if that's necessary. But I
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  Speaker 1: want to be really clear here because I think I
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  Speaker 1: actually think that Kate's words have been taken a little
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  Speaker 1: bit out of context. In some ways. She's talking about
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  Speaker 1: a stopgap. She's talking about if a child is out
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  Speaker 1: on the street late at night, if they're engaged in
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  Speaker 1: very bad behavior, if they're then taken home and then
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  Speaker 1: an hour later they're back on the street, well, what
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  Speaker 1: are you meant to do. There are risks to themselves,
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  Speaker 1: there are risk to the community, there are risk to
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  Speaker 1: the police, but they need someone to be able to
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  Speaker 1: care for them.
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  Speaker 4: I think we just gave you the solution there, so
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  Speaker 4: exactly what Kate said, that is the immediate stop gap
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  Speaker 4: solution right now. And I mean, Mari, you said before
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  Speaker 4: there is no solutions. Well that's what it is. So
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  Speaker 4: be by partisan agree with this, work with this on it.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get it done. Because I think at the end
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  Speaker 4: of the day, every we're all parents, we can agree
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  Speaker 4: no kids should be out that late at night, and
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  Speaker 4: I think eleven year old like there is way more
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  Speaker 4: questions asked of why they're out and what they're doing
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  Speaker 4: where their parents are. But I think the other one
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  Speaker 4: that we brought in that not many people are talking about,
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  Speaker 4: but it's fundamental. This is a family responsibility agreements like
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  Speaker 4: that was brought in untder the youth justice reforms we
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  Speaker 4: did last year. It was strengthened. I mean, we need
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  Speaker 4: to use better those, we need to ask the courts
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  Speaker 4: what they're doing about that. But we've got a lot
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  Speaker 4: of measures in place to make that happen. And I
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  Speaker 4: think at the end of the day, it's the family
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  Speaker 4: nucleus that's fundamental to this.
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  Speaker 6: But I think the residents of Alice Springs that are
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  Speaker 6: so frustrated is that the government talks about all these things,
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  Speaker 6: but they're not seeing any sort of impact. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: you say that the intervention is immediate thing, but that's
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  Speaker 6: not being able to use right now because they're still
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  Speaker 6: working through the legalities of it. Michael Little said, where
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  Speaker 6: is the safe place in Alice Spring.
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  Speaker 1: Where these kids?
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  Speaker 6: So there is a lot of things that still need
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  Speaker 6: to be worked through that is potentially going to take weeks,
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  Speaker 6: if not months to actually do. So it isn't that
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  Speaker 6: immediate impact that you know, Tourism Central Australia and the
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  Speaker 6: biggest peak body in the set in that area is
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  Speaker 6: calling for they've called for the TRG to be brought in.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, yet the curfew. I mean, isn't this intervention
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  Speaker 6: essentially a curfew? Robin said as.
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  Speaker 4: Well lately, Well, she wanted at one point when she
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  Speaker 4: was in she said she wanted a curfew so she
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  Speaker 4: didn't want a care it wasn't going to work, and
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  Speaker 4: she put in her own newsletter and now she wants
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  Speaker 4: I'm not. I know things change and people change.
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  Speaker 3: It well long six.
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  Speaker 1: Years then I'm not. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 1: the government is the Labor Party right now, so the
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  Speaker 1: government are the ones that actually have to take action.
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  Speaker 1: I think that it is really easy to throw stones
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  Speaker 1: from opposition or you know, from wherever else, But fundamentally
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  Speaker 1: it's up to you guys now to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: something changes, and the people of Alice Springs deserve that
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  Speaker 1: those kids deserve to be safe. Everybody deserves to be safe.
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  Speaker 1: But I do want to talk about the age of
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  Speaker 1: criminal responsibility because I think that that's something that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people now have concerns about. Everybody understands. I
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  Speaker 1: think that everybody agrees. No one wants to see kids
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  Speaker 1: that are eleven year years old going to jail, there
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  Speaker 1: is no doubt about that. But nobody wants to see
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  Speaker 1: kids that at eleven years old going through the kind
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  Speaker 1: of behavior that we have allegedly seen this week.
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  Speaker 4: One percent of youth offenders are between eleven and twelve
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  Speaker 4: or ten eleven twelve.
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  Speaker 6: What those ones in our springs are part that one percent?
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  Speaker 4: Yep, one percent though, so we should be putting we
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  Speaker 4: should be doing programs before we do detention for those kids.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, and I let you said it just before coding.
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  Speaker 4: An eleven year old driving a craft scary, absolutely, but
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  Speaker 4: it's an eleven year old putting them in don Dale
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  Speaker 4: does nothing to facilitate and break that cycle of disadvantage
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  Speaker 4: and change those kids from committing crimes in the future
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  Speaker 4: one percent, like it's going to affect one percent of kids.
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  Speaker 5: So you talk about the programs, Brent, and and you know,
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  Speaker 5: what I'm hearing is that those programs aren't working. And
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  Speaker 5: I think the statistics actually reflect that, because we have
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  Speaker 5: seen a skyrocketing increase increase over not only six years,
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  Speaker 5: but especially in the last say two years. And what
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  Speaker 5: I want to know Brent, from you is, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you speak to territorians. I'm assuming you look them in
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  Speaker 5: the eye and they tell you things, right, Can you
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  Speaker 5: honestly put your hand on your heart and tell them
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  Speaker 5: and tell the listeners that you stand by what labor,
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  Speaker 5: what the labor government are doing with their crime policies.
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  Speaker 5: Do you honestly believe that it's going to make people
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  Speaker 5: feel safer in the territory.
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe that everything.
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  Speaker 5: They're doing is going to make people want to come
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  Speaker 5: here to stay, to live, to work, to make the
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  Speaker 5: children feel safe. I mean, I feel like you're saying
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  Speaker 5: all these words, but are you actually standing by everything
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  Speaker 5: that this labor government are doing.
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  Speaker 4: Sure answer, yes, can we do things better? Absolutely? But
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  Speaker 4: I think you know, we just have to go back
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  Speaker 4: to Phony Bay. By election, you guys ran on nothing
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  Speaker 4: but crime. I had no solutions for people.
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  Speaker 1: On primary votes.
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  Speaker 4: We've gotten other person sitting opposite the one and two
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  Speaker 4: party referred that's the.
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  Speaker 1: System we have and that's totally fine. But I think
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  Speaker 1: if the government didn't actually see that as a real
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  Speaker 1: eye opener, that this is a worry for territori ands,
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  Speaker 1: then then you need to change your tactics.
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  Speaker 7: No.
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  Speaker 4: What I would say is that people realize that you've
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  Speaker 4: got to you can. You can throw words out there
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  Speaker 4: like the CLP do, but you actually have to have
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  Speaker 4: a plan.
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  Speaker 3: And we have one.
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  Speaker 4: And like I just said, short answer, yes, can we
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  Speaker 4: do better? Absolutely, and we will. I mean victims of crime,
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  Speaker 4: we've increased that we're being in BacT trespassing, you know
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  Speaker 4: late next year. I mean we're doing a lot of
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  Speaker 4: things that we committed to territorys to make change on
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  Speaker 4: I mean COVID. Pre COVID, we didn't have the same issues.
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  Speaker 4: COVID comes in force people back as in crime, as
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  Speaker 4: in the same levels of crime.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon Michael Gunner and I almost had a stand up,
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: bloody argument over crime in the leading strategies.
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: Our fieldvines was going down. I'm not saying, I'm not saying.
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying we do have issues.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: That I'm saying right now, it's because I don't need
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: to send you a few old interviews so you know
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: what was going on before. Honestly, I remember a conversation
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: very distinctly with the Chief Minister, with Michael Gunner when
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: he was the Chief Minister of the day, where he
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: could not give us figures in terms of the number
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: of offenders, the number of youth offenders who'd actually gone
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: through the different programs and diversion and the success rate.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: He kept telling me it was sixty percent success rate,
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: but couldn't tell me how many kids had actually gone
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: through those diversion programs, and couldn't actually give me clear
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: examples of those diversion programs. Now, I hate to say it,
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: but I feel like we're back there.
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: And what we've said over the last six years with
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: this Labor government is that they have slowly eroded and
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: watered down all of the different laws so that there
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: are less consequences now than ever before. Therefore there is
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: more crime and there is more victims. What we actually
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: need is what the colp has been calling for for
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: every crime to have some kind of consequence. We need sentencing,
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: mandatory sentencing for those who assault territory workers where we
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: can bring it back. Some of those laws like the
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: breach of bail lord needs to be brought back in
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: that was abolished.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: All of these things.
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: All that it does is has there's there's We need
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: more consequences to equal less victims.
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: I probably haven't read the legislation and married because we're
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: keeping assault workers and managery set.
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: It's like that we committed to that.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: Like have you read the legislation not to back our
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: legislation which was there ready to go both the fuel
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: bility you guys couldn't pass. I mean you've got to
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: bring legislation on time and do it right.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: I mean the thing.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: Centacing legislation for territory workers was brought into Parliament and
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: Labor knocked it back completely.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: They did not want to happen.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: Would challenge you to go read the legislation before the
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: floor because you'll find very clearly in there that we've
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: retained it.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Let's stay on track though, because I think that the
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: thing that a lot of people are going to want
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: to know the answer to is with the raising of
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: the criminal age of responsibility. Chancey Paiker made the commitment
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: on the show a couple of weeks ago to say
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: that that you know that until there are programs in place,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: that would not happen. So we're due to going to
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: the last settings.
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: Of the year.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Is it next week or the week week after? So
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: where are things at with this and do we have
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: the programs that are required to make sure that once
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: that raising of the age of criminal responsibility happens, the
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: programs are in place that kids are going to actually
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: go into those programs and take them off the path
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: of offending.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, So you know, we've got to pass the legislation
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: in two weeks. The programs will be in place before
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: we get to that point. We have programs, now, you
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: know what we what the department needs to do is
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: go and make sure that those programs are appropriate for
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: that age group and that we have enough of those
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: places for them.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: But that's a keep we've made and we'll deliver on.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: So the government is confident that everything's going to be
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: in place in two weeks time.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: No, so the legislation we passed, but it won't take
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: effect straight away.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: We've got a period year.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: So we've got a period time and a condition to
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: that is make sure all the programs are in place.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: So it's not one of those things that when the programs,
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: even if they're not there, we just continue on this path.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Programs will be in place before any of this comes
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: int effect next year, and then from there we'll assess
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: those programs as we go. I mean, the other thing is,
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: you know, you pay for these programs. You need to
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: make sure they're delivering what we've asked for. You know,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: the Department's acutely aware of that, and they'll work with
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: it with the agent, so.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: They'll have some KPIs to make sure that they're being
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: mesh in terms of you know, kids that are going
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: through them.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: That they're not we hope.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: So okay, do you like, let you know, a good
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: contract have very robust KPIs and they should be enforced.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: So we haven't got any ideas as to how much
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: is going to be costed. That'll be Yeah, that's.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: Interesting, and you assume or hope that perhaps will have
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: some figures in the budget before the programs are all
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: rolled out, like.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: The budget comes in next year. If you get to it, then.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: It's almost like the cart before the horse. I mean,
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: why are we not getting these programs right now? Then?
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: Bringing had been told that these programs are in place,
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: they are in place. Well, apparently there are some programs.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: What are they?
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know what they are. We don't
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: know what the outcomes of those programs are.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Contract You've got to look at them, I'm pretty sure.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: But all we know is that the statistics keep going
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: higher and higher.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: And.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: That contract, how many kids have gone through it, what
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: the recidi of is some rates have been after they
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: have gone through them.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: And yeah, absolutely, I mean it's not my portfolio and
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: bring them, but more than happy to make sure they
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: get it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: To keep getting told that sixty percent figure, I know,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like that hasn't changed for a few years anyway,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: So we'll see what we can find out about that
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: one sounds good.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I'll get you.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Someone's listening that could text you out.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Now I'm making not to look at my phone.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Look, I do think it is incredibly important that you
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: know that we do see some change for the people
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: of Alice Springs.
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: It's been sad to see the path that they've been on.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: It was incredibly sad to see what had gone on
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: earlier in the week. I know that there's been further
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: vision shared as well this morning in different locations on
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: different I think it might be on the Action for
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Alis page or somewhere of Yeah, frightening Frightening called it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: It's like a grand theft auto game. Put it to music,
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: and that's what it sounds, and that's.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: What the kids have done.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: You know, some people are like, oh, well, they want
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: the attention, and you reporting on it builds it up
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: even more. But if you don't shine a light on it,
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, how do you put that pressure on the
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: people who make the decisions to actually go and take
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: that action. If it's just swept under the rug and ignored,
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: you just can't ignore it, you can't. You know, the
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: residents are crying out for something to happen and to
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: put it out there to show everyone what's going on exactly.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Look, I mean we always talk about how we want
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: to see the rights of the victims be placed well
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: above the rights of the offenders, and only just yesterday
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: I heard a story and again this morning's.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: An update about it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Where a wheelchair bound man in perap living there who
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: is actually a veteran as well, which is even more sad.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: He is now leaving the Northern Territory. And the reason
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: is is because yesterday he witnessed a stabbing at his
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: apartment block and he called the police. I did the
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: right thing, The police attended and it was all dealt with. Now,
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: some people after the incident have now started to send
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: him and to go to his home and threaten him,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: and so he feels that he has no protection. He's
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: asked for emergency housing so that he can be relocated
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: so he can feel safe, and there is nothing there
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: for him. So he's now going to be driving out
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: of the territory. He's lived in the territories since nineteen
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: sixty eight. He feels for his life. He fears for
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: his life. And that is where we have this whole
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: society where government are focusing so much on offenders and
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: making sure that they're going to be okay, and not
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: enough on society, the ones that are contributing to society.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: You know, the hard work is the families.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: And I mean there are so many terrible, houseless examples
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: and real life things and the real life impact that
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: people are experiencing. And I think until we can see
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: the government recognized that offenders need to go at the
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: bottom of the priority order and not the top victims
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: should be the priority always, we're always going to have this.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a really short break. I do
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: want to still continue to talk about this because I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: want to actually take you to some of the comments
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: that were made by Sushira from Kota after the break.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So we'll take a very short break. You are listening
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to me. Nine three sixty eight is the week that was,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And if you've just joined us in the studio with
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: us today is Marie Claire Booth by Kathleen Gazola and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Brent Potter, And well, one of the one of the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: sad situations that we did here of earlier in the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: week is the fact that seniors at the moment around
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory really not feeling safe in the community. Now,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: if you missed Sushier from Kota, she joined us on
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the show on Tuesday, I believe it was take a
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: listen to what Sue had told us on the show.
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: They're frightened, they won't go out on their own. So
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: this is causing isolation, it's causing fear, and it's it's
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: traumatizing for seniors. We have about thirty people in on
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: a Monday in dal And doing pilarities and then another
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: thirty doing armchair aerobic since they come in into my
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: office every time they're in there and they're not going
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: to Casarina. They're too frightened to go to casina. So
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: what should be a nice downing and a nice shopping
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: trip is turning into something so traumatizing. Now, really, who's
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: suffering here? If something has to happen, Why should we
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: seniors be living in fear, not enjoying our golden years.
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: We have contributed to the growth of the Northern Church,
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: to the economic and the social fablic of the Northern Turkey,
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: and here we are, we're hiding in our own homes.
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: Even in our own homes, we aren't the safe.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: So that was Sue Shier on the show. Earlier in
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the week, we also caught up with Sarah Henderson, who's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: one of the counselors out in Palmerston, and she'd spoken
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: of a similar situation where there are seniors that are
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: concerned about getting on the public public bus network or
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: on public transport, concerned about going to do their shopping,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and she was sort of trying to organize almost a
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: bit of a link up where, you know where potentially.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I know that she takes some sceniors out to do
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: their shopping and things like that, but some different ways
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to try to help some of those sceniors to feel
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: more safe being able to do different things, whether it's
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: going out for a walk or go to do your shopping.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: And I think that it is really important that we
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: try to work something out here because it is an
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: incredibly sad indictment on our society if you've got seniors
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: who do not feel safe going out to do those
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: things that they've got every right to be able to do.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Independence is fundamental as you get older.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: You know, in Ageka, it was one of the things
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: that we tried to keep was their independence, their sense
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: of independence, and no one should feel unsafe getting a bus,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: and especially the elderly. And I think mister Lawla has
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: acted pretty quickly on that. I think I believe it's
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: fourteen additional security guards. We're riding on the buses, not
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: the bus inter changes riding the actual buses with them,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: and if that's what we need to do right now
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: to make people feel safe on the bus, that's what
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: we will do.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: So in your response to your question, Mary, you asked
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: for an action there, it is that's what we're going
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: to do in the short term.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, fighting your own argument, and can I just
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: say it's not just on the busses though, that people
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: feel unsafe. And I think Sue and Sarah out at
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Palmeston have really hit the nail on the head there
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: because I mean I just heard of a story only
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: recently where at Gateway Shopping Center. I mean that's where
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: ev Lula's office is, and I mean it used to
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: be a really nice place to go to and that's
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: it was definitely the go to for Palmerston seniors. But
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: just the other day there were a lot of seniors
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: all their shopping and there was an incident where a
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: mother had been almost surrounded by a group of views
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: and adults who were eyeing off her trolley and they
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: were they were being so threatening to this woman that
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: they were calling her the most horrendous, obscene names quite loud.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: In the shopping center, lots of onlookers didn't really know
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: what to do because they were quite scared. They were
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: even raising their hand to their to the to the
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: own lady's throat and kind of like making it I'm
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: going to kill threat. Yeah, And so this woman had
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: to end up being escorted out of the shopping center
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: with a trolley by security. And I just think that
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: it's all of these things that just make it really hard,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: not just for seniors but for everybody. So, I mean,
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: unless legislation starts changing and we start seeing more consequences
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: for those people to do that. I mean, this particular case,
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: the police who are reviewing it said that they wouldn't
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: be able to press charges because they didn't actually break
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: you anything.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: But it's that threatening behavior. Do you know that's interesting
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you say that. I actually had a friend who was
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: at Casarina last Friday. I'd seen her there. Then she'd
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: gone to go out and get into her car after
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: she'd done her shopping, couldn't because there was people all
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: surrounded around her car. When she went to get security,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: there was young people trying to intimidate her so that
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: she couldn't sort of get back into her car. And look, again,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: it's not criminal behavior, but it's threatening and intimidating behavior,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and it's the kind of thing that should not happen.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: No one should feel unsafe to go and do your
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: food shopping in the middle of a day on a Friday.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, okay, right, and it is loitering to
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: me of these people in the suit mart, at the
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: shopping centers and those places unknown to security. And that's
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: why we're reviewing trespass that you know that will be
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: the change they've asked for. The second chance is going
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: to trescars.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: So if you're in the car park, yeah, well it's
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: the still prop property.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: So on the or it can you counsel land you
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: cancel has an obligation in force there by laws around trespass,
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: and they can do that. But we listened to the
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Chamber of Commerce and other businesses and we'll make that reform.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So then like in a situation like that, what do
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you have to do it here to a trespass.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's why I removing the second chance and
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: the trespass.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: The chief came out and said that because you know
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: there needs to be you cannot continue to come back
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: to a place that you've been told you cannot be
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: out for no good.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Reason though, like how hard it would be then for
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: like let's say, you know, that woman goes out with
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the security guard, So then who's issuing the trespass night
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: it's the security guard and it's like ten people surrounding him.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: This is what police have asked for as well as
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: And they're talking to the guys on the segway the
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: other day and that was stoked that this is coming
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: in because they said that will be the change for them.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: It can be the private security guard.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: That's one of the reforms that will be made is
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: changing who can issue it, you know, impowing more people
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: the security guards, the lease holders and the business owners
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: and the premise owner to make it easy to issue
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: for those people because at the moment he is cumbersome.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Well, look, I hope you're right. I really hope you're right.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: You know, same as with what's going on in Ala Springs.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I hope you're right it work down because if it
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't work, where do we go next.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: It's part of many reforms, like one thing is going
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: to solve, But I think trespass, you know, for a while,
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: has been that sort of that gap for businesses at
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: the very least, and that's what they've asked for, so
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: we've listened.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Well, time tell I suppose now I do want to
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: just just say, though, you know, what are we going
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to do for these seniors in the meantime. Is there
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a way that we can link some of these people
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: up to help each other and so that you know,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: they can go out and do their shopping, do various
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: different things, because there is no way that our oldies
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and I say that very affectionately should feel unsafe.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie at at Palmerston, the Palmeston Seniors Parmeson, the
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Litchfield Seniors Organization actually do a driver's program and it
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: is coordinated out of my office which is next to
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Target at the Parmeston shopping Center, where seniors can call
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: in ask to be allocated a driver to tell them
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: to a doctor's appointment or a hospital appointment and the
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: driver will wait for them until they've finished and then
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: take them back home again. So of course you know,
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: there's an appointment in the Casuarina or the city that
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: makes it really easy and it's a really cost effective
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: because away and I say cost effective, because they can
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: join to be part of that club and that just
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: is a small fee.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: It's a nice thing to do.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: It's a really nice thing.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: We have a lot of seniors that use that option
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: and be great to see it expanded into other officers.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: I know that Kezia has started to look into it
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: as well for the rural area.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: That's the best bit about being a local member. If
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: someone calls up and need a handlight this, you'll absolutely
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: go and do it. So I think regardless of whatever
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: electorate it is, and if you call the Electric oppicely
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: need a hand they'll find someone, or the group, the
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: probist groups or even though you know I'll go out
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: and do it. I ride the bus with you down
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: to Casarina and back. Good chance to get the office
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: and you go and see a different different electorate even.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Why not, hey, now we will. Before we take a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: short break, I do just want to take you across
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: to some information which has just come from the Northern
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Territory Police. A little earlier. Northern Territory Police have arrested
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: a man in relation to a death in Leanna. Yesterday
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: at about five thirty, the Joint Emergency Service Communications Center
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: received a report that a woman at a residence in
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Leanna wasn't breathing. Saint John Ambulance and police arrived a
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: short time later, where the woman was pronounced deceased at
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: the scene. A crime scene was declared and a male
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: suspect was arrested at about two am at a residence
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: in Rosebury. A detective scene is Paul Morrissey said. At
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: this stage, detectives are treating this incident as a homicide.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: It is believed the man and woman were known to
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: one another. The man suffered injuries and is currently under
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: police guard at Royal da And Hospital. More information will
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: be released as investigations continue. So that information there from
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police sounds awful. We will take a
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: short break. You are listening to Mix one oh four
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: nine's three sixty. It is the week that was. You
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: are listening to the week that was in the studio
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: this morning, Brent Potter, Kathleen Gazola and Marie Claire Boothby.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Now just going to another statement that has just been
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: issued by the Northern Territory Police. They've arrested a man
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: after an unlawful entry at a business in Larachia overnight
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: at about twelve fifteen this morning. Police received reports that
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: an offender had unlawfully entered a business on Marine of Boulevard.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: The offender allegedly stole a quantity of alcohol before being
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: confronted by an employee. The offender has attempted to strike
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the employee with a blunt weapon before physically assaulting him.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: The employees suffered facial injuries and a minor concussion. The
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: offender fled the scene in a nearby vehicle. Northern Territory
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Police have since arrested a twenty five year old man
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: in relation to the offending. He's expected to be charged
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: later today. Senior Sergeant Brent Cottier said Strikeforce Trident, Serious
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Crime Forensics CCTV operators in general duties have all been
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: working together on this investigation. So that one just coming
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: through from the Northern Territory Police and yeah, ye, well,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and yet another terrible situation of bloody crime. Yeah, alcohol
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: related break in.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: And there are so many stories like this, and I
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: keep saying it until legislation has changed so that the
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: rights of the victims are put above the rights of
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: the offenders, we're just going to continue to see this
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: and it's just a slippery slope and it's awful. People
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: are just sick of it. And I guess, Katie, that's
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: why people are leaving the territory. I mean, we hear
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: it every day. They just don't want to be here
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: because they can go somewhere else and have a nice life.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: And none of us want to talk the territory down.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: We'd love it. We want it to be like it
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: used to be.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: We want it to be the best place that it
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: can pulsibly be. And I'd said that to the Chief
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Minister earlier in the week when i'd interviewed. You know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: everybody wants this place to thrive. We all live here
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: because we want to raise our kids here. We want
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the place to thrive. But some of what we are
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: seeing around the place at the moment is it's horrible.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: You know, it is horrible. Even hearing that it's it's atrocious.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Nobody should be at work and be assaulted with a
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: blunt weapon and protect Yeah, it's just not on.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: And now that he's been arrested, you know, hopefully the
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: courts will take that into account and ultimately, you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: serve them justice and get them on the programs to
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: start with, because I mean, our color is a huge issue.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Clearly but at the end of the day, the community
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: is so distressed and we're.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: At here is the concern that the like, do we
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: feel as though the you know, like I guess what
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: we hear all the time is everybody seems to be
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: doing their job. So that's what we're you know, that's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: that's the sense that we get. Everybody's doing their jobs.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But where are we being let down?
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Where is this system breaking down? Is it that we
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: don't have enough programs or enough you know, enough to
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: sort of to try to rehabilitate people when they do
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: go through the court system. Where is this breaking down?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Or Am I the only one.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: That's questioning that we don't have enough legislation because clearly
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: he's been charged and he's been appreended by police, of
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: the legislation's there. Obviously the cops responded, which is fantastic,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: you know, so we have enough police, you know, And
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: then the program is a question without knowing who it is,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: whether he's actually gone through a program previously. But what
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: I would touch on is, you know, we do have
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: liquor courts. You know, they are mechanisms to put additional
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: measures in place with agreed outlets to further restrict alcohol
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: and then you know, get police out there targeting secondary
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: supply like they're doing now, you know, I mean it's
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: trying to be on.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: The businesses ye to restrict it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: I mean it's breaking in as he says regularly, alcohol
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: is not an illegal thing obstance, So it's the root
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: of the problem. As you said, I mean, I think, yes,
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: the government has implemented a lot of measures around alcohol
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: because it is one of the biggest issues that we face.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: But you know, we still haven't reviewed the BDR. Yeah,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: that's very true.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: You know, like why why aren't we just continuing to
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: keep performing these things. I mean, obviously the BDR is
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: a controversial measure. The opposition has been against it in
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: the past. I think they're removed to now. But you've
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: called Falzi backs the BDR but refuses to do a review,
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: even though we've seen a review of the flaw price,
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: which didn't really give an outcome of whether it was
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: workable or not.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like, yeah, this is like, this
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: is I guess we're on becoming frustrated, and I think
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the community is becoming frustrated as well as the government
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: is telling us all the different things that they're doing
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and how it's going to like, you know, how it's
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: going to work. Everybody's you know, everybody's sort of saying, well,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: this is you know, we're doing this job, but we're
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: doing that job. Yet we're continuing to see the same
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: issues and we're continuing to go down the same path
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and it's not actually getting better.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Well, there are plenty of options. Likely I'll give you
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: an example.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: So my liquor outlet's locally, we're going to go and
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: they're going to go on a smaller cord specific to
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: the electric and we're going to implement additional measures that
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: they've all agreed upon that we think that will reduce
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: access to alcohol for those who intend to misuse it,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: and police are supportive of that, that the business owners
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: are as well. And I think locally that I'll get
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: a solution, But across the territory it is alcohol and
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: you are right the BDR.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: So with measures like that, like, let me just go
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: for an example. So in Funny Bay, for example, the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: IgA there, I've spoken to Manual, the owner before. He
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: said to me, Katie, I don't sell alcohol on Sundays.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I can't sell alcohol on Sundays, but there's still people
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: drinking in the park.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Well, if you go to recently, it's been very very quiet,
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: and this is some of the stuff that he's been
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: doing and others. That's why they're going to go on
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: a cord and they've agreed to implement some additional measics.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Because he's working there, they realize that there is no access,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: so they going to other places. I mean, secondary supply
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: is a huge thing, and police are targeting that because
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, some people that are
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: problem drinkers will find a way to get to it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Prohibition did not work, proved.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Definitely some that are doing it. I mean, we're meant
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to have the two kilometer law and there's still people
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: drinking in the city.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you cops have been at least
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: in Pratt we have had the best response out of
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: the last four weeks. They are coming out, tipping out
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: season and moving people on and they're doing it three
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: four times a day. So that's secondary supply that they're
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: near targeting.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: The biggest thing that has changed recently is obviously stronger
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: futures and that inspiration now that community has had to
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: opt in to stay dry rather than opt out, which
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: a lot of health organizations, original health organizations all that
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: have said was the wrong move.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: But now the horse has bolted, So how do you
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: want that? Well, and on that note, because I do
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: want to sort of transition to the Code yellow, we
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: know that it was a chaotic seventy two hours even longer,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I guess should say towards the end of last week
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: where there were multiple code yellows across territory hospitals, so
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Royal Darwin and also Palmerston Regional and then Catherine Hospital
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: as well. We know that that one ended in Catherine,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I think it ended Friday last week. Then we had
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the code yellows across the other two for a couple
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: of days. They've lifted now, but there were questions being
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: asked by the likes of the AMA and others as
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to as to whether the ending of the Stronger Futures
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: legislation was having an impact.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, I've been hearing stories out of our hospitals
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: about the fact that when you go to an emergency
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: department that you are sitting there unwell, surrounded by drunks.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: There are just drunks, water ceiling, and then when you've
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: sat there and waited there for so long. When you're unwell,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: you then go through to see a doctor. And the
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: beds are now like two to the each curtain section.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: There are just drunks sleeping and snoring their hangover off,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: if you like. And and we know that the police
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: have been dropping them off to the hospital when they
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: are drunk, because they're being treated like a taxi service.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: And I think when you've got them, when you've you've
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: got that's more.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: They've got to get a health check rather than just
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: being drops and left there. Then they get taken to
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: a serving upshelteros much asolutely correct.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: So and that's rife, like there's just it's crazy. No
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: matter what day of the week or time of day
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: you go there, this is what's happening. And of course
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: that's going to take up a lot of resources. So
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: the people who are not the ones drinking are the
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: ones that are suffering.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think they do steal triage obviously if
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: someone is priority wise, they don't necessarily overtake you know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: someone who's drunk over someone who needs the medical attention immediately.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, in that sense, the hospitals will.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: I don't think hospitals are doing a wonderful job. I mean,
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: the pressure that they're under is almost.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: There isn't any stats yet as to whether they're alcohol that.
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: I mean, the shortage has been highlighted as a major
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: issue with.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: The coach as well as with pressure and yeah, and
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I guess that's the other part of it too. It's
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: like it is absolutely tragic really to hear that there's
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: you know, there's seventy five seventy five people that could
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: should be in age care across the territory who are
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: in beds in the hospital because there's nowhere else for them.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I know, we have now got the funding. I think
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it is for SI of those beads or yeah, and we.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Are we work in the FEDS and we're grateful that.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Obviously with the Albanezy government, they're willing to see the
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: table and talk through home care packages, which with what
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: we've been crying out for for a very long time
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: under the previous government and looking at new residential care,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: there is just you know, there is a shortage across
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: the nation and we need more residential, sorry home care
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: before residential, because we know if a person stays in
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: their home, it prolongs the time before they have to
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: go into residential care.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Look, let's take a really short break. You are listening
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: to the week that was the studio with me this
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: morning if you have just joined us, we've got Murray
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: clear boothby Kathleen Gazola and Brent Potter. And before we
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: do wrap up for this morning, well, as we know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: we're all we've been living with COVID for quite some
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: time now. I think we're all pretty well. But Territorians,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the Government Center statement out saying they're encouraged to keep
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: practicing the COVID safe behaviors as we work to limit
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the spread and protect our community. So it's no longer mandatory.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Territorians are strongly encouraged to test for COVID when feeling
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: unwell or showing symptoms to limit the spread. And this
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: is all because we know that those COVID rules as
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: of today are gone and no more masks.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Got rid of the app recently as well, which was good,
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: and I think, I mean, everyone would just like be
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: so grateful and relieved that this is all over, But
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: I don't think we can ever forget the pain that
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: everybody went through as well in those two years. It
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: does feel like a blur, It does feel like a
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: long time ago. But there are a lot of businesses
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: that suffered immensely. There are a lot of people who suffer.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: There are a lot of health professionals who suffered immensely,
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: and of course we know lives were lost, so we
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: can't forget the pain suffering right throughout the whole community.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: About I mean, you say it's over, but.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: These restrictions now, I mean in Queensland they're bringing back
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: masks inting and.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: We have to remember it's gone, and we have to
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: remember that the chow does still hold those powers for
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: another eighteen months, you know, the current legislation. So you're right,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: like if something else happened and easily anything could change.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: A listener question his message through get Akad during the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: week that was, could you please ask the government about
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the one hundred and thirty million dollars worth of rats
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that they bought in the dying days of the pandemic.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: What will what will we do with them now? What
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: is the go with those rat tests?
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: You know, bread, I don't even know where they are
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: at the moment. It's not my area.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: But I'm happy to come back to your listener on that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Hopefully they'll get used people using a test to find
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: it that actually got COVID.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: That would be right now.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: You have an expiry, don't they, So they'll do yeah,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: and they're useless.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of money.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I have no information on that, but I'll come
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: back to this, honor.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be keen to find out because it was
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: well I remember at the time. I remember at the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: time we're all sort of go and hang on a sex.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: That's a big that was a big tender, remember, But yeah,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know sure. What's the guy?
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: How many schools and police officers and teachers we could
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: pay for million dollars?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: On how It Springs. What's happening out there? The last
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: time we run together, you had some plans for that.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't remember that, But I think you'll find
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: there'll be some stuff with Howard Springs in the future.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: They got twelve months on the contract with the federal
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: government to keep it there as an emergency accommodation facility
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: for COVID or another outbreak, and obviously will work with
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: them to too.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: It looks like twelve months that we could be using
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: it for something else, that's for sure.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: What would you like it here for?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I think our workers village would be great.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Where are you getting workers from, Marie? You've said this before.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: I've said if you get the workers and you bring
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: it to the table, will absolutely open it.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Economy to forty billion or whatever it is by twenty thirty.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Somewhere for them to live, and it's built.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: And it's a safe place to bev We've.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Got bladingm Village as well. There's plenty of accommodation as
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: a city. Last time we've been used by the define
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: the workers.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Well, look we've run out of time. Thank you all
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: as always. Mary Clare Boothby from the COLP, thanks so
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Thank you and a big shout out to all the
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: veterans who will be commemorating Remember and stay today absolutely.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola from nine Newstar and thank you for your
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: time this morning. And Brent Potter from the ALP, thanks
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: so much for your time.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Thanks Katy always to be That's well.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: That is the week that was for this morning. Still
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: plenty more coming your way after ten o'clock right here
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: on Mixed one oh four nine