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Portland's Shanghai Tunnels · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: It's Portland, late eighteen hundreds. The streets are muddy, the
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  Speaker 1: rain is relentless, and the men are surprisingly flammable from
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  Speaker 1: all the whiskey, sailors, laggers, drifters. They flood the bars
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  Speaker 1: of old Town looking for a drink company and bad decisions,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where the story takes a dark turn.
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  Speaker 2: Are not.
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  Speaker 3: Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie. Oh Hi creepy people. Hello, if
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  Speaker 3: Enough said, come on. So today's very special episode. We
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  Speaker 3: uh stayed downtown. We did a little Shanghai Tunnel tour
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  Speaker 3: Ish cut to.
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  Speaker 1: So you've just emerged from the shadows, the smell of
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  Speaker 1: damp brick in your nose, probably still brushing imaginary cobwebs
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  Speaker 1: off your jacket, and you're thinking, did I just walk
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  Speaker 1: through history or a movie set. Let's set the mood.
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: It's Portland, late eighteen hundreds. The streets are muddy, the
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: rain is relentless, and the men are surprisingly flammable from
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: all the whiskey, sailors, laggers, drifters. They flood the bars
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  Speaker 1: of old town looking for a drink company and bad decisions.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: And that's where the story takes a dark turn.
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  Speaker 3: Dun, dun, dun.
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  Speaker 1: Aren nailed it because I'm trying to set the mood
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  Speaker 1: serious and nailed it.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we just helped you do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: According to the legend, these men would wander into one
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  Speaker 1: of the many saloons, brothels, or gambling halls that dotted
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  Speaker 1: the area. They'd toss back a couple shots, chat up
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  Speaker 1: the wrong stranger, and suddenly, poof, they're out cold. Next
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  Speaker 1: thing they know, they're waking up on a ship halfway
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  Speaker 1: to Shanghai with a wicket hangover and a new career
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  Speaker 1: as a non voluntary deckhand. I'm sorry, cant oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm starting. Is that like where you have well, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's lesbian fingers, I've got ten. Sorry, that's from Sex
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  Speaker 1: and the City. It's called Shanghaiing, guys, And according to
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  Speaker 1: popular lore, Portland wasn't just dabbling in it, they were
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  Speaker 1: thriving on it. This city had a reputation as one
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  Speaker 1: of the most dangerous ports on the West Coast, where
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  Speaker 1: a night on the town could turn into a one
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  Speaker 1: way ticket to indentured seafaring servitude.
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  Speaker 3: And how you ask.
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  Speaker 1: Were these poor souls whisked away so efficiently secret underground tunnels?
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  Speaker 1: Of course, gotta be the tunnels. Hey, greepy people, Wait,
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  Speaker 3: That's how you said it perfectly.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special episode from your two favorite Wait,
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  Speaker 3: just sh it.
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  Speaker 5: Was only a matter of time. I know everybody looks
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  Speaker 3: I know all looked at you. I really felt like
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  Speaker 3: it came from that my voice.
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  Speaker 4: But no, not shorts.
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  Speaker 1: Know, So ladies, I have set the scene. Yes, what
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  Speaker 1: did we get up to today? Well, I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: don't know what we got up to this morning, but
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  Speaker 3: Up to today?
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, tell us what we got up today and
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  Speaker 1: what we're going to talk about on this episode.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what did we do today? We went on a
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  Speaker 3: Shanghai tunnel tour? What is that? A tour of the
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  Speaker 3: Shanghai tunnels?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: First up, guys, let's do a little cavea. The term
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  Speaker 1: Shanghid is actually fairly racist.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, it totally is. I think I don't understand
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  Speaker 3: why we can still call it, still yelling it out
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  Speaker 3: across Portland.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we do because it was the Holy eighteen
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  Speaker 1: hundreds where the Chinese were looked upon as basically animals,
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  Speaker 1: and anything that was a problem in this country was
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  Speaker 1: definitely those dirty yellow And I'm only saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's not my opinion, but you know what I mean. So,
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  Speaker 1: but shanghaid Is tunnels is what they are called.
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  Speaker 3: They are known as.
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  Speaker 1: So we are going to use that word over and
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  Speaker 1: over and over and again in this episode, and we
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  Speaker 1: are trying. We are that does not us trying to well,
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  Speaker 1: is there a.
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  Speaker 3: Term that should be used instead? The kidnapped.
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  Speaker 1: Kidney doesn't have the same ring to it the racist kidnapping,
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  Speaker 1: But like, that's a mouthful.
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  Speaker 3: It was doing the shanghaiing. It wasn't Chinese people, was it.
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  Speaker 1: No, And that's the thing. It's it's called shanghaiing because
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  Speaker 1: they would be sold into indentured servitude onto ships that
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  Speaker 1: traded with Asia. So it was it necessarily that it
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  Speaker 1: was Chinese captains that were uh, we'll get into the
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  Speaker 1: whole history of this, but it wasn't just necessari that
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  Speaker 1: it was Chinese captains. It could be American captains, but
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  Speaker 1: they are trading with Asia anyway, we'll get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Today we went on this Shanghai Tunnel tour experience. It
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  Speaker 1: starts at the Old Town Pizza and Brewing in the
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  Speaker 1: Old Merchant Hotel in the Old Town district of downtown Portland.
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  Speaker 1: Which unfortunately does not have the glamor it once did.
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  Speaker 3: But the smell when you walk in, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what you're talking.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot different than the smell outside when you
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  Speaker 1: walk in. When you walk in, I was like, oh, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we are eating pizza here. Yeah, unborginally isn't a part
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  Speaker 1: of Portland that has fallen upon some really hard times,
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  Speaker 1: but it is directly across the street from Cecy Slaughters,
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  Speaker 1: which I have danced there and had some great times. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Old Town Pizza and brewing is basically the only way
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  Speaker 1: to really access the Shanghai tunnels right now.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I didn't know that, I think so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's kind of a sprawling hidden network beneath Old Town.
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  Speaker 1: There's trap doors hidden under barstools, or at least that's
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  Speaker 1: the legend, right yea that were led to believe holding
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  Speaker 1: cells carved into basement walls. Again, the legend that we
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  Speaker 1: are told. Narrow brickline passageways leading all the way to
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  Speaker 1: the docks. Some say you could walk for blocks beneath
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  Speaker 1: the city, never touching sunlight, guided only by the echo
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  Speaker 1: of your own terrified breathing.
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  Speaker 3: Oh now it's not sounding terrified so much. It's excited.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: There's a moment there were casting locked herself into the
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  Speaker 1: room with the little handcuffs on the wall, and we
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  Speaker 1: don't know what she was doing in there.
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  Speaker 3: She did shut herself, don't. I had to test it
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  Speaker 3: out make sure it was sturdy. So there, I can't
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  Speaker 3: be here. But what are they doing in there? I
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  Speaker 3: like to be in dark holes by myself? Now, that's
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  Speaker 3: also what he said.
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  Speaker 6: But we are jumping ahead again because oh my, we
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  Speaker 6: haven't gotten there to the dark hole.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is certain to sound sexual. Why do I keep.
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  Speaker 5: Probably really hard to look at any.
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  Speaker 1: I can look at her, or I've got a great.
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  Speaker 7: Vision, a lot of heat, the sparks, whatever, just switch
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  Speaker 7: switch back and forth between us.
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  Speaker 3: Jealous a little bit. I thought that we had a
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  Speaker 3: we had a thing.
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  Speaker 4: And then I'm not trying to get in the way
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  Speaker 4: of anything.
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  Speaker 3: We need to just turn these microphones off and see
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  Speaker 3: what else. Oh my god, our new tag.
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  Speaker 6: I'm history unhinged. I think it's like just us unhinged.
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  Speaker 6: Oh we can talk about anything.
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  Speaker 1: It's just unhinged for so stupid, because that's what's happening.
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  Speaker 4: I thought that was implied.
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  Speaker 8: Oh my, God, your usband's gonna listen to this episode.
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  Speaker 8: Your's gonna listen to this episode? My husband will not.
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  Speaker 8: You guys get p having husbands. I'm just saying that, right,
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  Speaker 8: you're like that your mom listens to your.
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  Speaker 3: My mom does? She is. She's like our most dedicated listener.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. Sorry, gus mom. We are just joking.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, this is one that probably should be on the
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  Speaker 6: actually videosca see how much we're just joking, because it
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  Speaker 6: probably sounds real bad.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, so I'm gonna again try to set the
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  Speaker 1: scenes of what we were we were experiencing down there.
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  Speaker 1: There are whispers of ghostly figures still wondering those tunnels,
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  Speaker 1: long dead victims of the Shanghai trade, or maybe just
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  Speaker 1: the echoes of a really bad bar crawl. Our tour
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  Speaker 1: guide shout out to Doug Douglas.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, Dougie.
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  Speaker 1: He was dougieastic he is. We found out at the
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  Speaker 1: end he's a he's a playwright, and I feel like he.
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  Speaker 3: Just shouted it out. I'm a playwright. I know. I
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  Speaker 3: go hands down, Doug, which is funny because he had
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  Speaker 3: his hands up the whole time. He's so he did
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  Speaker 3: so good.
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  Speaker 6: He said, you can tell he's a storyteller because he
• 13:53
  Speaker 6: must at least practice out his plays that he play rights,
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  Speaker 6: because he's very good at you know, how we delivers
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  Speaker 6: the message and the story and and then the mood,
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  Speaker 6: the mood setting the mood, and then just the ambiance
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  Speaker 6: of the whole place. I loved where we sat.
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  Speaker 3: In the chairs and there was candles.
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  Speaker 6: They sat in a chair and just told this story
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  Speaker 6: and it was the best.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I wasn't expecting that to be able to just
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  Speaker 3: like go down into the actual like tunnels and then
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  Speaker 3: it was dark down there. They had like those candles
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  Speaker 3: going chill in there.
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  Speaker 6: How many stops do you think we had where we
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  Speaker 6: sat in rooms and he told us a story.
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  Speaker 9: I mean it was a really like five or six
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  Speaker 9: It felt like. Yeah, and I'm a tour guide as well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 9: have I told anybody?
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  Speaker 3: You never told me that? Have you ever told you
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: guys about pretty gritty tours? I don't think I've heard
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  Speaker 3: of it? No, not once today? Have I heard that name?
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  Speaker 3: You said? Gretty, pretty gritty? Can you spell it? Are
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  Speaker 3: eaten here and tours?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So as a fellow tour guide and uh fake historian,
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  Speaker 1: I play a historian on the radio.
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  Speaker 3: You do literally, so, uh, you know it.
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  Speaker 1: Really, he did a great job in setting the scene
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  Speaker 1: in leaving you hanging. I mean, he's no Chris Stottinger,
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  Speaker 1: he is the King, but he did a really good
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  Speaker 1: job of setting the scene, of making things feel nice
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  Speaker 1: and creepy, of telling stories in a way that didn't
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  Speaker 1: feel cheesy. Yeah, you know you actually, And I'm the
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  Speaker 1: skeptic in the room, right, Like, I know, you're very
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  Speaker 1: much a believer.
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  Speaker 3: You are, you're very very, You're very.
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  Speaker 4: And you're just.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of sort of yeah. I mean, I'm I'm very
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  Speaker 3: I want to I want just some more. Caleb doesn't
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  Speaker 3: want to.
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  Speaker 4: I'm definitely a very very I'm just like a very reluctant,
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  Speaker 4: very very I'm.
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  Speaker 6: An eager so I but also okay, so here's the problem.
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  Speaker 6: I'm very eager, but then I'm also such a skeptic.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like everyone who's eager they know, okay,
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  Speaker 5: they know, and they want nothing to do with you fuckers.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: And they're like, what's that chick the one who looks
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: like she's trying to get away like that?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you believe, but you don't. You're like I believe,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't want to see it.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, okay, okay, unlike people that are
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  Speaker 10: like I believe and I just want nothing else but
• 16:48
  Speaker 10: to like absorb everything and the energy.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, not right there. I'm like her, obviously I'm real.
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  Speaker 3: When on our podcast, I'm like always the downer, I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 3: these people say these ghosts, ghosts, things happen, but like
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  Speaker 3: these other people say that, like that's all not real.
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  Speaker 3: So like, I'm real. I like both sides of everything.
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  Speaker 1: But I want to believe, you know, right, same, but
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  Speaker 1: I need some good proof and so yeah, when I
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: get quote unquote proof, I'm like, nah, that's not good enough.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we'll get around to.
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  Speaker 1: Something that our tour guy, Doug showed us in this
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  Speaker 1: tour that kind of had me. It took me from
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  Speaker 1: a on a scale of one to ten, one being
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe in any of it and ten being
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  Speaker 1: I believe in any of it. And I started out
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  Speaker 1: at a two point five. What he showed us at
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  Speaker 1: the end took me to a three point five at least,
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  Speaker 1: oh a whole point. It creeped me the f out.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll get there though, right, Yeah, I was into that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: tell us how we started this out. Tell us how
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  Speaker 1: Doug started us out tonight, or I can I can
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  Speaker 1: do it if.
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  Speaker 3: You really can, or if you like I blacked out,
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  Speaker 3: I know. I was like, that's a great way to
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  Speaker 3: put it.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I tried to absorb as little as possible.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, I would like I would.
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  Speaker 6: He would tell a part of a story and then
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  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, I'd be like, oh shoot, I
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  Speaker 6: kept thinking about that and he's already moved on to
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  Speaker 6: something else.
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  Speaker 3: Miss half of it. Well, we did start out going
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  Speaker 3: into this gorgeous courtyard that I had no idea. It
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  Speaker 3: was like in this buildings everywhere. I wanted to spend
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  Speaker 3: more time there. It was great. Yeah, the ivy there
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  Speaker 3: was like a water feature which wasn't on, but it
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: kind of looked like a well. I'm a middle I
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: wanted to know was that a well? Was that a well?
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  Speaker 3: At some point? Was was Nina's body at the bottom
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  Speaker 3: of that well?
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  Speaker 4: We don't know who's night of We don't know yet
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  Speaker 4: know they found her in the elevator.
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  Speaker 3: I know I saw the well though, and I oh,
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  Speaker 3: I know, nice job. Actually was me who said at first,
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  Speaker 3: at you the only things I can really remember from
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  Speaker 3: starting was he definitely started telling us like the history
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  Speaker 3: of the building and stuff. But then he went around
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  Speaker 3: and like asked everyone on a scale of one to ten,
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  Speaker 3: like what's your believability level or whatever? So we all
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: he made every one answer Yes, I appreciated that. It's
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  Speaker 3: engagement forced, so we had to all engage. We had to. Yeah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I don't like that, I said, two thousand. Yeah, Caitlyn,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: what were we do? I don't like that at all.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: But you were camp when they make you sing songs
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: and you know, didicate your life to Jesus. I'm like,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not about did you.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Did you appreciate everybody else sharing because you got to
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: hear it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I only know any of them, so I don't really care.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest. I was kind of like.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: It's like at the corporate retreat when we go around
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: and say everybody's name, I'm like already forgotten every single
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: one of them.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I mean same, Yes, they were all quite low, though.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I was surprised. I feel like everyone was like two,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: but one guy like seven. The one guy was like
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: two and his girlfriend was like oh ten. Definitely they
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: were like, oh, what's that relationship one? You know what?
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: We were wearing our podcast shirts. They could hear this,
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: so hey, if you are listening, I don't.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Know, and we're still wearing thought about my coats the
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: entire time, I realized, so they don't know any I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: took my not oh purpose and I had my banie on.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: That is too small to I know, but it's damn anyway.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So Cassie was a ten thousand, was off the Richter scale.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: It doesn't even like measure.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Caitlin was a seventh. I think that's what you said.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I was nine.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: I said nine.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I thought you said seven. You're the only
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Debbie Downer around here. Panic answered, you were seven. Okay,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: it was seven.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Basically almost like do I say ten? That feels like
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: too much? And then I was like nine point five.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: And then I was like, everyone's gonna be like, what
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: a fucking weird?
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Like I got an answer, they're staring at me. And
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: then I said a two point five and nine, I know.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I was like, well everybody else did, like whole numbers.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: And then Cassie was like two thousand.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Well that's why I felt safe to say two point five. Yeah,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: you were this is a safe space. We can all
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: say whatever we want. I love judgment, no judgment about
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: whatever number is. You love star Trek And so he said,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: that's yeah, the star space.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, oh not if you say stupid stuff.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Anyway, So so we had this courtyard scene and then
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: he tells us about the resident ghost Nina, which is
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: just Nina but pronounced differently.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I never heard her. I've never heard it pronounced Nina.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I always heard it pronounced Nina on everything I've listened
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: to and the other I've been pronounced Nina. Were you there, No, sir,
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Seems weird.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: That's where I'm gonna call you on this, Doug. I'm
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: pointing at the mirrors of Douglas. There's a space.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: He's here, Douglas, Douglas, Douglas.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Who does that? This woman is a monster, right?
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: You know you love me? Anyway?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, Nina, though, how do we know it's not
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Nina because it's spelled Nina. Anyway, what was the story
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: behind Nina slash Nina?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: She died me. Wow, I've heard different. Well, I don't know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I don't exactly remember. I guess the very first story
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: is I heard on the tours like years and years ago.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: I went on. I'm trying to think, Okay, I guess
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: I remember the one today though. She kind of like
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: ratted on because it used to be a brothel, right,
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: She kind of like ratted out the brothel in hopes
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: of being saved and getting out of there, and she
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: was ultimately like murdered. I think I'm dead.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that means moiter, yeah.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Or she reported it to the police, but the police
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: were involved in the hole, yeah, the police whole and
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: so then because she reported it and then and then
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: somebody was also uh investigating corrupt.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Well, no, it was it was a Christian temperance sort
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: of movement that was like, we gotta figure out how
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: we can shut down all the brothels, and so they
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: wanted to use her as like an informant. I don't
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: know why they needed to know the inside workings of
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the brothel.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: There, but it shut down. I gets maybe if they're
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: looking for like a legal things because brothels weren't illegal, right.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I think that it depended on I mean, every town
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: had its own regulations about where like the vice could exist.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: So like Seattle it was.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: It was just dependent on the mayyor of the time,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and then they would have like that line of like, okay,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: well all the gambling dens and brothels could be like
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: south of Yesler.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a slur at the time, but whatever, line right,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: And I'm sure.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know Portland history as well I should. We're
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: gonna get into that, but it probably was similar where
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: they tried to contain all of the gambling dens and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: saloons and brothels into one district. And maybe Merchant Hotel
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: was kind of riding the line, but it didn't sound
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I don't. It seems weird to me why you would
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: want to shut down a brothel when there he said,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: there was like fifteen men per like one woman. Can
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: you imagine shutting down the bro like there's just a
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: bunch of horny men running on the streets dangerous.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: These Christian temperance lees just didn't care about that, right.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: They were like, it's all bad, it's all sinful, we
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: gotta shut it all down.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, you remember we talked about that when we
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: did the Prohibition live, Like they were like, that's real bad.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: Don't don't drink it. It's gonna make you a really
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: bad dude.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Can't drink and you can't. What the hell is wrong
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: with them?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: What's the point of life at that point? I mean
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: seriously though, like at that time, your life was hard.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: These guys worked hard, and they're like beating.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Their wives, you know, I mean mainly like number one,
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: number two, and number three. Sometimes they like did some logging.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: But it makes it sound like I'm like a feel
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: bad for these guys, like are you taking today?
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Like I just really I them lumber Jackson Sailors needs to.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Tell me I'm too woke and today they're going to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: be like I'm not woken enough.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: You really can't win, you know.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the other thing that I think about.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, so they found her her body at the bottom
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: of elevator chef, But we were talking to h. Richard,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: who runs the Civil War Seattle history tours, and he
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: was telling us he was going to take us on
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: this whole tour of downtown Seattle elevator deaths holy because apparently,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: like in the early days of elevators, like people died
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: in them all the time because like the doors would
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: open and there's no elevator there and people just walk
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: into it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I was wondering how that even happens. Yeah, I when I.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Heard that, I was like, well, maybe she just literally
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: walked into the elevator shaft.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Wait wait, how do we say it again? It wasn't
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: moy at her, It was Moid. She was Moid. Did
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: it could just be a whoopsie? Yeah, because it does
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: definitely seem shady, like, how does that happen? How do
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: you fall down an elevator shaption? The elevator be there
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: to catch you? But like back then, oh no, not
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: back then. If it was that common, I mean, who
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: knows it? Could you were taking your life in your
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: hands to write an elevator?
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's too convenient though, I'm sorry.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Oh weird.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: She's used elevators before, presumably.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Right now she lived in that building right with her kid.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: But suddenly as soon as she's like kind of turned
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: as it were, Oh oh now she's forgotten how they
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: work and how to use them.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Couldn't possibly, Caitlin, I just want to remind you of
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: one thing. What it was the eighteen hundred. So we're
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: literally everything will kill you? Well, sure, sure, I mean
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: it's like Australia. Yeah, and I'm sort of old. Was
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: forty old? Was forty right? I mean back then.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately it was mostly her line of work being in Portland,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: ppeb any Man, any of them.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Anyway, what we have been going on about for fifteen
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: minutes or whatever is Nina Slash Nina the resident ghost.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And apparently when people experience Nina, you hear music. Apparently,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: no you or you smell perfume. Oh yeah, that is
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: one of the big things about her. That's really difficult
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: because people are highly suggestible. You say, do you have
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: smell perfume? Immediately I smelled the perfume and I was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: going around sniffing each one of you.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: No, So at first he said, I'm not gonna he said,
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: at first, I don't want to be suggesting anything because
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: that's the way that mine works. I'm not going to
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: tell you what the smell was, he said, I'm not
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: going to tell you the smell. So I walked through
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: this place thinking.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: God, did she smell like pea? And then later he
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: goes it was perfumed. Did anyone smell fume? And I
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: was like, I guess I read stuff, so I knew
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: it was perfume. Oh got it? Maybe that was and
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: it wasn't. So I was like, got that, poor woman, Like.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I know, everything around here smelled like pee right that
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: last part we were and smelled so strong of b I.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Smelled no pea. I didn't.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: It was very musty down there, so yeah, I smelled
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: the mildew, but then the ground and dirt, so underground
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: and dirt, so it's it's going to be musty.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of wet. I smelled a musty smell.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: But like when you said you kept smelling pea and
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: I didn't smell it, I kind of thought, like, was
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: that something paranormal? Then, like, were you smelling like one
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: of the other figures that they were saying that they
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: see down there.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Like a paranormal or was I just having a stroke.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: I am old to smell popcorn.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I thought it was burnt toast and oranges.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: Burnt toast for sure, Yeah, like burt like burnt like
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: some burnt things firing.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Or p.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: He's paranormal.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: So our guide took us down into the basement underneath
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the Old Town Pizza and Brewing which is where the
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: which he called so called Shang High Tunnels, and he
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: made very clear throughout this tour it's the so called
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Shang High Tunnels because the legend has kind of taken
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: over the truth. And that is where I come in
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: because my name is Shay One and my favorite thing,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: besides being a know it all, is ruining everything, and
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: maybe that's go hand in hand.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: See, this is why I wanted you to research this
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: episode because I'm like, I've been dreading it because I
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: know what I'm gonna say about it and it's not.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: No one's gonna like it and they're gonna hate me after.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: It's not as exciting as you think it's gonna be.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: So I'm like, you, you do the research. I am
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: happy to let everyone hate you say ruins everything. It's
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: kind of a joke we have.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, and this is where I do
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: my thing, and I ruin it because the truth is
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: not nearly as sexy or spooky as you want it
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: to be. And while this tour was fucking fantastic, yeah,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: and me being a big fat skeptic, I still had
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: a great time. I still got myself creeped out. And
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: we'll get to what we saw in the end that
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: may have started to change my mind to be a
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: little less of a stick up the butt skeptic too.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe the stick's pulled out of my butt at least.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: But it is a stick.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: Just just making sure because sometimes you know, like say
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: like yeah, like you know, maybe like it would be
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: worth considering using something like silicone more comfortable.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: You know, that would be easier soft for sure? There
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: we can keep going.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Is it a vibrating stick?
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: God, don't threaten me with a good time, all right,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: So let's start with the tunnels. Yes, they are real.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: We were there. I was like, inside of them, we're
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: not hallustinating.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not really sure what she's looking
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: for here.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: But they weren't designed to smuggle bodies. They were basically
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a nineteenth century version of a loading dock. So Portland
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: had a thriving commercial district and businesses needed a way
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to move goods from the docks to the locations without
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: having to fight the muddy, poopy streets.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Like think about this. So it was it was dirt streets, horse.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Drawn ocks, cattle drawn wagons, and you can't ask your
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: cattle or your horses to poop in a convenient place.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: That was not the street and then it rains here.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: So what happens is it rains and they walk over
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: it and becomes a soupy mire of shot and mud.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And then also all the business there's no indoor plumbing.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Everybody around has chamber. Possibly they throw it out.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: The window in the stream.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: They built these tunnels to be sensible and efficient.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of boring, but things would come
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: in off of the ships, like Doug told us so,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and they would move the goods throughout these tunnels through
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the basements to get where they were. And so that's
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: really why Portland has underground, which is interesting because it's
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: different than Seattle. So Seattle has an underground because Seattle
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: was a marsh and they came in, built a sawmill
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and started just dumping all the sawmill debris and all
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of their trash into the swamp, built it up, built
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the city on top of that, made out of wood.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: It burnt down and then they were like, well, we'll
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: just build the city on top of that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: And so that is the reason that Seattle has an underground,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: because the underground is the old city with the new
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: city built on top. It's different, like every city has
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: a different reason. For their underground, which is very interesting,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: like Tacoma has a different underground because they built it
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: on purpose because it was sloped, and so they built
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the underground was intentional and here also it was intentional,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: like we need a way to get things around without
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: having to move him through this quagmire of poop and despair.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: So smart.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the big leap the tunnels as secret passageways for
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: kidnap men starts with one Stuart Holbrook. So our tour
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: guide Doug did not bring up how the Shanghai tunnel
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: legend started. So Stuart Holbrook was a very colorful character,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and in the nineteen thirties he began spinning tales on
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: the radio and in print about Portland's dark, seedy underbelly.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: So he was a storyteller, not a historian, and he
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: knew his audience. His accounts of trapdoors, kidnapping and shadowy
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: tunnels were gripping and entirely lacking in sources. But he
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: put it out as a radio broadcast, and what do
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: we know about radio broadcasts in the twenties and thirties,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: as people took.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: It in as fact, Yeah, totally. If it's on the radio,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: it's true.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So then came Michael P. Jones in the nineteen seventies,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: who took Kulbrick's stories and ran with them. He said
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: he had been exploring the tunnel since nineteen sixty nine
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and that he had a map of the network of tunnels.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: So then, of course he began offering tours, which have
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: continued since nineteen seventy nine, which is as long as.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: I have been alive. Guys, Oh my goodness, so long.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Did I just like ruin your guys' vision
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: of me as being like this young hot thing. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: meant yes young. No, Yeah, Shay has self esteem issues.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's more of a flex to like the
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: older you are, to say, okay, I'm this old, and
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: people would be like what.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: Oh no.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Every time we mentioned her grand children, people were like
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: what the fuck? Grand children? She's like, I got seven
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: of them, and they're like, no, no, you're lying. No,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't believe it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: She's like, that's a really weird thing to lie about.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: So, according to historians and researchers like the good folks
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: over at the Organ Historical Society and the Organ Encyclopedia,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: there's very little evidence to support the claim that these
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: tunnels were ever widely used for shanghaiing. In fact, the
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: most consistent accounts of shanghaiing in Portland have more to
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: do with forged PaperWorks, bike drinks and those crimpmen that
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: were the crimpers. Yeah wait, no, that's why you would
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: use on your hair in the eighties. Yeah, that's back,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: It's back. Oh yeah, sounds like a great way to
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: burn your hair off. We just let the kids do it.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: It's fine, dull learn yep.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Anyway, so it was it was more of that and Doug,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Doug sat us down in the dark.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Oh it was the best.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: And honestly, like I was sitting there, we were sitting
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: around lanterns in the basement, in this creepy dark basement,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: musty with these lanterns and they're all flickering. And he
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: sets us down and he's like, okay, look, so I
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: call it the shame, the so called Shanghai tunnels for
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a reason. And then he explains this, and he explains
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: about the crumpers, and I'm just like sitting there, wide
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: eye and nodding and like my heart's doing the like cartoon,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: like I love it.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because like that's honestly so scary, like that did
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: pretty much happen, just not like the way that we
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: think of it, right tunnels, but it did actually happen.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Are you going to go into crumping and like what
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: it is? No, it's actually to me it sounds more
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: like the timeshare salesman kind of a little bit where
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: they're like.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: A timeshare on this year, man, do you want.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: A dinner and a free vacation, just show up for
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: this three hour seminar and then also.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Okay, well listen, people should already know better about a
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: three hour tour.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: So first off, the trap doors in the Shangha tunnel
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: tours that we saw, do you want me to ruin it?
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Can ruin it?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Because I looked at the hinges and then I looked
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: behind them. Those are just put there for show, I
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: kind of thought, So I think he said that, Oh,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We kept talking also like it was
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: a lot to absorb and it was a lot so interesting,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: so you wanted to sit on it for a minute.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: But then he kept going. I was thinking maybe they
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: redid them because they fell out, But honestly, like that
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: could just be easy access to get like the stock.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: There's nothing above if you look above those trap doors,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: it is just the floor choice above.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, you don't think like maybe in the past
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: there was something above or not right there? Okay.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Also down there, he showed a couple of rooms that
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: were quote unquote holding cells right right, so would feel
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: people and put them in there, and one even had
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: a bunk bed and with some sexy restraints. But of
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: course she found it's dark in there. And these were
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: dark color Shane with like a leather sat for your
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: wrist straps, like she's.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Like, look at this. I was like, hey, oh hello,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: that I don't know it for me. Do you think
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: those were more modern too?
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: The the leather on they seemed pretty old, but they
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: did you know, you can age leather really easily or
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: ventured stores maybe, but right, I mean I think those
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: were more likely just storage rooms.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. And the the story of.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Putting people through trap doors in the bar and then
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: putting them in a whole cell and taking their shoes away,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and then putting glass in the tunnels. These are the
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: stories that there is no proof that that happened. That
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: is hippocryphal.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: It is not.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: There's nothing behind it. This is just the legend of story.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: There's no evidence to back that up.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: And does it all come back to like that one
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: guy who started all the stories on the radio.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was the guy in the thirties with
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the radio and the guy in the seventies that was like,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: that's a great story, let's go there. And you know,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: it's not the first time this sort of thing has happened.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: We look at the Seattle Underground, the Bill Spieedle tours. Yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: he is the king and the absolute end all be
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: all of the Seattle Underground. But he doesn't state his
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: sources anywhere. I mean, so you read his books, he
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't state his sources. His histories are always the most interesting,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the most spicy, like the ones that our podcast is like, fantastic.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: To your sources, sir, there are none. Yeah, And he
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: based a whole like empire on it and multiple books.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: And I feel like this is kind of the same thing.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: And that's the problem with history, right, Like a lot
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: of history is just oral. It's people telling people stories
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and then they write it down right.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: And I was gonna say to a lot of the
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: shady shit, like why would there be a record of that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Well, sure, and of course there was shady shit going on,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and sure there was probably somebody got dropped through a
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: trapdoor in a bar at some point in Portland. Oh,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sure at least once or twice.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Maybe even just for fun, I would do it.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: You put a little padding down there, I will drop
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: through that trap door and then those those like restraints
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: were in there, Like what's next?
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, boy, she's like fox stairs. We need the experience
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: next time. I think they need to start implementing.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: That's what we need to do, is we need to
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: start the fake shame experience experience.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: And then wait, there are full empty buildings above. Could
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: we also? Then there was zipline on top of Angelliyah
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: and then you climb up and you do a zipline
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: to the bar to a bar. Yes, yes, I which
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: you're not zipline to a bar. I'm not for ziplining,
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: but if you put a bar at the end, I
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: might do it. Love ziplining.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, there were indeed cases of shanghaiing in the
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest and especially in those chaotic times of maritime trade.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: If we didn't explain it before, this is the practice
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: of kidnapping a man specifically, I don't think this happened
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to women. Women were kidnapped for other reasons. Not to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: serve on a ship unless it was serving anyone specific function,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: and these were usually ones doing trade with Asian with Asia.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Again why it's called shanghaiing. In the late eighteen hundreds,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: as we've talked about, anti Chinese sentiment was rampant, So
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: anything that could be attributed to being a negative connotation
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: against people of Asian descent boo. So in the nineteenth
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: century law, a lot of sailors were under labor contracts
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and it was basically indentured servitude, and they would sometimes
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: jump ship when they got into a big pork because
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: they were like this what.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Sucks by yea, take my chances with the mermaids.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Right exactly like a beaver out of the plane. So
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: reference episode what sixty sixty eight?
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Oh guys, I did not tell you you did episode.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: It's very special.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: It's never sixty nine, isn't it.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we are excited. That's why we were getting nasty
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: sixty We were just very special episode in so many ways.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: If you're nasty, you know are there are four of
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: us we could, oh, wait, if there's two sixty nine,
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: what does that make it?
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Wait eight, we're doing a fixed six and thirty nine.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: So these the people would that were indentured servants would
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: jump ship, and so captains had to replenish their crew
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and so then they would rely on the services of
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: these crimps, which we talked about, which was just like
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: a what would you describe it as.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: Like a I mean, yeah, basically, I mean it's like
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: a It ultimately is like a con man meets slave owner.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, yeah, it was it was your timechare salesman. Yeah,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: but the timeshare was you.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Right, can and you signed this may of course it's
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: kind of like a pimp almost a little bit.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, crimp pimp. That that's really well, there you go,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I go, You're welcome.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: We just figured it out.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: But there's no concrete proof that there was an organized
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: tunnel based system doing the heavy lifting for these crimps
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: in the Shanghai. So it goes back to these nineteen
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: thirty stories and then the nineteen seventies, and it's just
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: built with these tales over the year. But you know what,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: here on both of our podcasts, we do not let
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the facts get in the way of a good story, right,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: it's part of the good story.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: We loved every second of this tour. Right, Oh oh
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: my god, best time hunts. Okay.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: So, Jody and I have come up with a rating
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: system for gift shops and tours and it is the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Squatch system and squashes because our Lord and save your bigfoot,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: mister squatch satch. So five squatches is the most you
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: can give to a tour or a gift shop. Why
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: it is just tours and gift shops. You just have
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: to figure out, I.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: Don't know, start reviewing some other stuff.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, I mean we're just beginners, that's all.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: So, Cassie, how many squatches would you give at one
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: to five of the Shanghai Tunnel tours?
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, honestly I would say a five because there was beer.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: You got to taste beer. Yeah, I forgot. You got
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: a full beer. Yes, please tell us what you get
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: with your ticket. You get a tasting of two different
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: beers in where did we taste those beers? In the tunnels?
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: In like a little bar area the basement. It was creepiest.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Sound like I was going to say the peepie PEEPI bar.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: They have like an old bar down there, and I
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: don't know where the bar came from or anything, but
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: it looked really cool down there, for sure, there stairs
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: to nowhere next to it. It was really cool. Now,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: this is the one thing you can't be. You can't
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: have bad knees.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: You have to be able to climb things, and not
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: as bad as going in the stadium high school where
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: you have to duck. Yeah, I mean you have to
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: dug a little couple areas ability, like major mobility issues. Yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: three times in stadium. It was kind of yeah, it
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: was kind of like a fancy ladder. Yeah, okay, So
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: you would say five to ten thousand squatches.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, and you get a full beer at the
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: end included.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the two tastings were not just like shy
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: tastings like he gives you a nice.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: Three to four rounds, might have the yeah, that might
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: be illegal. It wasn't, Doug, It was the ghost. It
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: was a normal amount of tasting whatever it is.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: It was the perfect legal amount.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: So, Caitlin, how many squatches would you give the Shanghai
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Tunnel tours to shang High Tunnel Tour.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Why there's two tours tours tours tours.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Uh, okay, well listen while Cassie's over here handing out
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: ten thousand everything to every one, let's see.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: I feel like I'll even it out. I don't know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: like three point.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Five, okay, So why why three point five? What was it?
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: The because I didn't want to be there?
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, so tell us why you didn't want to be there?
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: Because I don't like spooky, So.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: So doc do a haunted podcast.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: No, that is against my will.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: And we have a rating system as well, and it
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: is now it's the number of scoots that I have
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: to do into my chair as she tells me these stories.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Now that just makes me think of boots scooting from
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: my dog too.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it just it's not a boogie, it's uh.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: The next rating system we have is like how bad
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: does your buttet?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: How many butt scoots do you need to do some days? Five?
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: But I feel like I need more favor Okay, Jody,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: how many squatches do you give? How many snort squatches
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: do you give the Shang High Tunnel Tours ten?
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: I give it ten. It was only five.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I just felt like you're like Tad. How do I
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: get do Tad over here?
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: This little anarchist I don't like rules.
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, She's thing is you know, part of me is
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: like Jody, her nurse and you know about the pain
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: scal when people say twelve and you're like, it's not
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: a twelve, you have a twelve anyway, Just kidding, but anyway, anyway, No,
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: I thought it was a five. But then I just
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: didn't even feel like that was good enough, so I thought, Okay,
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna double it, because it was just I just
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: I don't know the ambiance the stories and the way
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: he told him wasn't like trying to get you to
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: believe and trying to trick you.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I didn't. It was like, I appreciate a little bit
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: of history.
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: On this, and this is the experience that I've had,
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: and these are the stories that we're told, and this
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: is why, and he told it in a very storytelling way,
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: and then just the way the.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Moods were all set, and then it was just it
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: was good.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: He made Shaye jump up one whole point, and her
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: ghost belief that that got there made him double.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: You guys, I don't think that even Chris has been
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: able to do that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I know. That's why I was like, Chris, don't listen
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: to this episode. It almost sounds like we're saying you're
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: not our favorite tour guide, and that's not true. You
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: are still our favorite tour guide.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Chris. Well, now you have to explain because we didn't
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: explain the photos, so now we have to explain the
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: reason up a whole point.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, so real quick, who wants to explain it you? Okay, okay,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: but what's your Squatch score? I am giving this a
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: four point five. The only reason I'm not giving a
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: full five is because it smelled like mildew and urine.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: Well, what was it? That's a ambiance? Yes, authentic? What no,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: can't I had? You're such a press. I still think
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: it could have been a paranormal experience you were having.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I think you were smelling the thousands of homeless people.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: It definitely smells amazing down there. She's the one that's
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: weird a disgusting.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: When we were down in our downstairs bar, which sounds
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: sexual when I came out of my mouth. So we're
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: in this this peepee bar, which also sounds sexually.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Where I'm at it's a bar in the basement, not
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: the bar.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: He tells us about this experience that they had with
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: one group of guests where somebody took a picture of
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: this one specific location. He shows us the picture and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: you can clearly see the very creepy form of a
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: very creepy person in a flannel shirt and a dog
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: at their feet, and it is creepy, af like. It
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: gave me the chills. I definitely my butthole puckered. Mm hmm,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: it's puckering right now.
• 52:19
  Speaker 6: If you have the face the face on that picture,
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: if you zoom in on it, it's just like kind
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: of distorted and weird, but also real.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: But then he followed it up with a story about
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: this thing called the Philip Experiment, which I'm not going
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: to get into now, but it was basically like a
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: group of academics that tried to make a fake ghost
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: by like if everybody focuses on one concept, they believe
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: in it, and then you can see it and you
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: can actually make it do things, and they manage to
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: make manifest So his question at the end for everybody
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: was our ghosts actually the remnants of people that existed,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: or it is is it the like combined energy of
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: people believing in a certain thing.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: And then he was like, bye, yeah, that's what I mean.
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: Like my drop wasn't cheesy, and he wasn't preachy, and
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: he wasn't trying to trick it. And then he put
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: those thoughts out there, and that's where I was.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Like, Yeah, it was extra. It was extra.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: So we're going to get into the Phillip experiment. I think, Yeah,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: that's a whole ass episode for sure. I don't care
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: that it's not Pacific Northwest. We're gonna we gotta do it.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Gotta do it. Sometimes you just do stuf for yourself.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Sometimes you can just twist it in such.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: A way though, like a nipple. I have one more
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: thing to say though, Yes about Okay, So in the
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: photo you mentioned, it looked and everyone agreed, it looks
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: like he's wearing a flannel shirt, Like you can clearly
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: kind of see the pattern of his shirt. And we
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: did an episode. Our audience might be familiar, yours might
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: not be, but we did an episode about flannel man.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: I've never heard of it, and it is just this
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: thing that some people have seen and it's just this
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: random man who shows up in a flannel shirt and
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: sometimes just me, it's just you. But you guys were
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: wearing your flannel shirts today.
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: You know, I bet we're going to show up as
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: flannel men and people's your flannel man in pictures?
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Why so sexist? Are you going to be a flannel
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: lady or flannel person? There was actually a flannel woman
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: and in one of the stories I found, so it's
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: flannel thems, but one of them, no, it doesn't. But
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: one of the things is he's sometimes seen with a dog,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: which is also very interesting because there's clearly a dog
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: in this photo as well.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Everybody, if you come to Portland, go do the Shangha.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: If you want Doug, you have to call in and
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: ask for Doug. He's fantastic. Make sure you get a Doug,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: make sure you stay and half pizza.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: We did. You can actually get it by the slice,
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: which you not realized.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: We were a whole pizza Shane, I have a lot
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: of pizza to eat. Beer was great. They make their
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: own beer. Pizza is fantastic. Great location, well, no location
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: is not great. Great inside the building the location can
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: be a little sketches.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: To just be safe out there. Yeah, and all the
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: staff was nice. The bartender like everyone re encountered five
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: squatches across the board for everybody at Old Town Pizza
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: and Brewing.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yes, definitely would come back. All right, well,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: so what do you guys want to say to your listeners?
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Perfect, no notes, have a creepy day and see you
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: down the rabbit hole. And then we did not do
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: a tarot reading specifically for Shanghai Tunnels in the episode
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: because we were you know, we were with it was
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: four girls, four girls, Okay, we're hanging out. We were
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: just chating, chatting.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Away, and we didn't do the tarot, and then somebody
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: got hungry. I don't even remember how that.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Was just the whole time. We're not going to name names.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Well I didn't eat a whole pizza.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: But we thought we would do tarot for our Patreon.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: So if you're on our Patreon, we'll go ahead and
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: our post our tarot for the Shanghai tunnels there and
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: that's where the tarot will be for that. So boom,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: we're interested, join our patreon. Boom, chocolate lock.
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing, like, yeah, seventh grade, Yeah for sureseys, Okay,
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: some of us more than others.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: And I never said that once in my life until
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: I got in front of a microphone and all of
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: a sudden, all this weird shit comes out of my mouth.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Why hm hmm.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Not cross check? I like, is this what it's like
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: working with the talent?
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're welcome.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: I'm cross checking you. This is what good talent does,
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: some of your safety net. No talent is just supposed
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: to show up and do their job and let you fail.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: I love you, fuck you all right, let's do this