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Good evening, everybody. Welcome to targeting Winners.
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Offseason has begun. We are this is the Coaching
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carousel episode. And today we are joined once
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again by the great Mark from out here at coach's hot seat in
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sunny California. How you doing today Mark?
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Great. Thanks for having me.
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Nice Darren, still cold up there.
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Yesterday we broke a 20 day streak of not having our high
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temperature reach freezing. We hit like 35 yesterday so the
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streak is over. Yeah, it's supposed to be like
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40 next week, so shorts and T-shirt weather upcoming.
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So there we go. And Pete?
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Sunny Mexico. Today 86° in sunny Mexico so all
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is good down here. Excited to be here with all ya.
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I believe winter is over down here in Florida as well.
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I think it was like it's in the 70s today.
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So enough making fun of Darren because I know it's going to be
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making fun of me and Florida State, the coaches, coaches
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hiring. I don't know, Mark, before we
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get going, how would you describe the offseason, the
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coaching carousel from 2025 compared to other years in
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recent history here? It's been chaotic a really, you
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know, very active and a lot, you know, a lot of surprises, I
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think. Yeah.
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Like 3333 changes in all couple years ago there were 32.
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We haven't come anywhere close to those two numbers in a long,
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long time. And you know the reasons like,
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you know, coach leaving for a conference rival towards the end
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of the regular season besides poor performance.
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And what, 1 Coach gets fired for not only keeping alcohol in his
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desk but actually drinking it on the job supposedly.
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And everybody's favorite a, a coach heading over to a
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staffer's apartment and threatening them with
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silverware. So, I mean, the reasons are
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vast. But yeah, 33 is, is just insane.
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Tim, are are you emotionally set to get into Mark's rankings?
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Well, we're going to be, I'm sure, top of the list and
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something this year. Yeah, I'm ready for it.
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I did not drink today. Say one thing before Mark gets
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going and depresses Tim. There are multiple links in the
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description of the live stream tonight. 1 is to coaches
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hotsy.com, Mark's website. Sign up, it's free.
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He's he's doing a series right now, I believe of his thoughts
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on all the new coaching hires. So sign up for that.
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Not only can you get caught up by going back to his blog, but
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you'll get his weekly emails on that Also.
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He's got a podcast out, I think, what, two or three, three
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episodes so far out there. So far, yeah.
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And we've got 2 links there, one if you listen on Spotify, one if
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you listen on Apple, Last week's pretty interesting.
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How important is December in determining these coaches
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future? So an interesting listen there.
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So all right, Mark, we've had John multiple times.
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We always appreciate you making time for us.
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And now as an added bonus for Pete and myself, you get to
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start Tim off in February. The potential mental breakdown.
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So please mark your rankings. End of the seat.
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Who's got the hottest seat in America and why?
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Well, you know, Tim, I'm sorry, but it's Mike Norvell at Florida
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State. Yeah, just.
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And it does just does not look to be getting any better.
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You know, you kind of hope in the in the offseason,
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particularly in this era, that it would get better.
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And the way it started out was with Gus Malzahn, the offensive
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coordinator, retiring very suddenly.
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And so it appears that Mike Norvell will will be back
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calling plays next year. He had one, one year off.
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This is just not a good situation.
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The, you know, the the, the boosters are upset and probably
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rightfully so. They were, you know, they were,
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they, they gave input into the stadium reconfiguration and
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upgrade and that was ignored. They gave input on the coach and
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that was ignored. And so they've stopped writing
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checks. And so now if you're trying to
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buy out and Norvelt's got a pretty sizeable buyout, you
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really can't do it. So you're sort of stuck with
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them for a while and stuck with the athletic director for a
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while. So the guy who created the mess
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will be there and the guy who is executing the mess will be there
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for the foreseeable future. It just isn't clicking at, you
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know, I did. He went heavily into the portal
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one year and was very successful with it.
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You know, that was the year that they were bumped out of the
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playoffs and since then it's just all falling apart.
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It is considered, it's Norell's continued to rely on the portal
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pretty heavily. What you lose when you're doing
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that is you lose the culture. You know, these guys are coming
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in and they're not Seminoles. They don't they don't, they
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don't know about this and they don't know about the spear.
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And there's a horse galloping around the stadium.
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Why? And why are people making that
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noise? They're they're they're really
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just not into it. They're hired hands and they
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don't really care. And that doesn't seem to be
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something that the coaching staff is focused on.
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They are focused on. They did recognize that there
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were cultural issues and they were focused on, you know, we're
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A-Team and we got to play together.
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But they missed the part about the school.
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And with a really rich culture that Florida State has, that's a
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big mess. Yeah, I thought I saw, I, I,
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I've turned a lot of the, the YouTube channels and the, the
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Twitter accounts off, right, Because it's just been so
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negative. I didn't want to deal with it,
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but I thought they did hire a general manager.
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They did I. Mean you think that'll help?
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I mean, I mean, to take as much out of it, of it out of the
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hands of the athletic director, I think is a good idea.
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Yeah, I, I think most of the general managers are, are
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working on talent evaluation and you're working with the players
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to make sure that they stick around after they're, you know,
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after the, after the one year that they've got an nil.
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So we'll see what that does that that that could help.
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But I, you know, I just, it just seems to be, they just don't
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seem to be connecting on a, you know, on a really disturbing
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level. Like it just isn't, it just
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isn't, it just isn't happening. And Norvell seems to be lost as
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to what to do. He doesn't seem to know.
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So I think this is probably too big of a job for him.
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He probably needs to go back to the, you know, the type of
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school that he came from and, and he was successful at
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Memphis, He was successful at other places, but this, this is
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too big of a stage, I think. Well, at least they'll have the
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same offensive coordinator as last year, so that.
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Oh, wait, no. Oh, he retired.
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Yeah. Great.
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Lovely. At the last minute.
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Yeah, what's he probably just saw the running on the wall
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maybe. I don't think he liked the
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quarterback. I don't I don't like the
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quarterback they got either. I mean, I would just like to
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they have some kid on the bench. I have to forget his name, but
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obviously, but all the the players or the the fans or
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whatever seem to like this kid Searcy I think his name is, or
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Seeley #11 I believe is his number one.
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So Darren, you can look that up for me.
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I'm. Not looking that up for.
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You I'm not looking that up either.
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I'm I've totally detached from FSU for the last couple of
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months, but I like to see them recruit a guy and give them the
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give them the reins, recruit them, coach them because I mean
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he he can coach. I mean, he's not like he's
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totally brain dead out there. I mean, yeah.
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No, he's good. He's good with X's and O's, you
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know, and, and it's a lot to ask somebody to call the plays in,
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to be the head coach. And a lot of the newer guys like
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to do that. And it just doesn't work 'cause,
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you know, you need somebody to sort of be, you know, managing
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the whole game. And when they're calling the
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plays, they, they tend to focus on one side of the ball.
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They don't focus on both and, and you see it over and over and
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over again there. There's the very rare exception
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to that. So, you know, I, I, I don't
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know, I think Gus Malzahn was burned out anyway.
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And when he saw what he had, I don't think he saw he didn't
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have exactly what he wanted. And he just thought, I, you
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know, I don't want to keep pushing a boulder, a pill.
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I'm 60 something years old and I I can go play with my
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grandchildren, right? They might block better than
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Florida State, who knows? So, Well, before it gets too
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depressing, let's just move on to some, you know, something
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else before I start to cry here, Darren, you got something you
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want to ask Mark? Well, I I was going to let Pete
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bring up a coach #2 on Mark's rankings.
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But before we go into that, little breaking news just came
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by on the phone. Trinidad Chambliss will be
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allowed to play in 2026. So just your love or hate for
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Ole Miss accordingly, that just came down a couple minutes ago.
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So he won his day in court. He will be the Ole Miss starting
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quarterback in 2026. He.
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Well, I think Mark, I think your next team that you're looking at
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is Baylor. If I'm incorrect toy is that is
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that accurate? That's correct.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Let's look into that. Item number 2 is Dave Aranda at
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Baylor. Dave, really, he got sort of a
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reprieve when his boss got fired.
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And so, yeah, because I think he would have been gone last year.
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And you know, this this is another situation that just
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doesn't look to be getting any better, unfortunately.
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I, I think Dave Aranda is a, a really good defensive
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coordinator, but that the head coaching position is just not
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translating. So he got a reprieve for one
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more year. I think they're already having
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back channel conversations with, with some, with other coaches to
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see who might be able to, to step into Baylor.
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And you know, there are some, there is one big name that is
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looking at that job right now. So we'll, we'll see what happens
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during the year and, and I, I would expect that that one will
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open up. Yeah, I agree.
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I actually have him as my number one.
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I mean, I think, you know, for him, I think where he is, I
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think it's challenging that that team seems to be regressing.
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It's just not, it's not doing what I think that team is
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capable of, of, of, of doing and it it just does not seem to be
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pressing the right, the right direction.
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So I I agree with that. I think he would have been gone
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before this year and I, I do not think we'll survive the season
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this year, but we'll, we'll see. We'll see how that goes.
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But if it does not start well, I don't think it's going to make
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it halfway through the season. Yeah, I.
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Absolutely agree. I was looking at list 3 through
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5. Pete just talking about guys who
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don't think are five of the year.
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I'm surprised all three of these guys survived 2025 but.
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Let's start with number. Three Mike Locksley of the
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Maryland Terrapins. How did this guy not lose his
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job last season? I, you know, it comes down to
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money and I don't think they had the money to buy him out.
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And so they decided that, you know, the the devil you know is
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better than the one that you don't know.
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And so they're investing the money that they do have into the
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program. And we'll see.
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There's a couple of these that are doing that, a couple, a
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couple of the, the, the coaches that are in trouble.
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Our, our, you know, the programs have said we're going to invest
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in the, we're going to invest in the players, we'll invest in the
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NIL and we'll, we'll see what happens.
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So that this is the first one of those where we're, we're seeing
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that and we'll have to wait for the season to start.
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I I don't I don't see anything great happening here either.
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No, with, with, with Mike. And then so Mike's number 2 on
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my list, the big tennis where I focus a lot of my efforts
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through the year, it feels like they've completely plateaued it.
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It seems like wash, rinse, repeat.
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It's the same thing over and over again.
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Seven and five, it doesn't matter.
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They have skilled players and it does not seem to matter.
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It's the same result over and over again.
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He can't get them over the hill. Nothing changes.
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Signature wins do not exist and it just doesn't feel like it's
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going to change. So I don't know where that
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program goes with him and I, I think they're frustrated with
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him, but I agree. I, I think it's a money thing
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right now and I think they need to figure out what they're going
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to do with, with Mike, but I don't think that program can
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move forward with, with him. So something's got to happen.
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Do you want to stay on the Big 10 or do you want to move to a
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different different conference boys, how do you want to go
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let's. Let's look at #4 because after
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this, not going to have meltdown against Texas A and MI saw this
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guy was going to be gone Sunday morning.
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But I have a feeling there's 25,000,000 reasons why he's
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still getting another shot this year.
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Shane Beamer, South Carolina. How much trouble was he in after
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that A&M meltdown about 30 to 3:00 at halftime and then losing
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31 to 30 or something like that? I mean he.
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Was he was? He was.
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So I'm interviewed, you know, going into the locker room and,
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you know, the, he was, he was roostering there a little bit
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about how well they were doing. And then the next thing you do,
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it just collapsed. So, you know, I, I know South
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Carolina fans are, are frustrated with Shane.
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You know, I think one of his big mistakes was the hiring of Mr.
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Shula. And he, he, you know, he let him
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go. And I, I think that that, you
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know, he may have justified staying another year because he
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recognized he had made a mistake and he let him go.
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But you know, he goes through assistance and coordinators
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pretty quickly. So I don't know that it's that
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great of a place to work under him.
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You know, it just seems like the IT just seems like there's
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always a change it defensive coordinator and, you know,
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defensive line coach and you know, all, you know, big
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turnovers of assistance every single year.
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So we'll have to, you know, we'll have to see with somebody
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who'd not, you know, not never been a head coach before, not
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really been a coordinator before.
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So it was a big leap for him to take on this job and it looked
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good one year so far. Yeah, The problem for Shane,
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right? I mean, sure, the SEC is tough,
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but we have seen South Carolina be competitive in the SEC and,
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and they can be. So the fact that they're not
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right is, is just damning on him.
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And the fact that he's turning through coordinators, there's no
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consistency. I mean, that that clearly points
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to him. And you've seen teams like Texas
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and Oklahoma, you know, kind of fully embed themselves in the
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league. And South Carolina seems to be
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drifting away, right? And that's that's an issue.
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That's certainly an issue for, you know, obviously the program
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as a whole. So I mean, clearly something
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needs to be done. He's a guy.
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I cannot, I cannot imagine him surviving this year.
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I don't know what he could. Do to that, no, I I don't, I
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don't. That was my yeah.
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Just as an aside, that was my first SEC game was a South
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Carolina home game. And so I, you know, a little
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affinity for them because of that.
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And you know, it's sad to see. It is, it is.
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I mean, Speaking of sad to see. So we'll shift back to the Big
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10 because this is this is somebody I've been beating up
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now for a couple. Years ever since you've been on
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the show. In a team that I just, I mean,
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Wisconsin, right? This is a team that has a very
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strong historical record of how they play and, and, and just
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their whole culture and, and, and Luke came in and just
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basically set it on fire and threw it in a dumpster.
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And I don't know what he's doing there, but that is not Wisconsin
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football and it is not working. And I have absolutely no idea
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how he's still there other than money.
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And I mean, that's got to change because that is that that they
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are he has done a horrible job just decimating a program that
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has been historically strong program in the big town.
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You know, it's, it's funny when you look at the assistants and
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you look at the because I think the assistants have a, a, a, a
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lot of say over whether the coach does well or not the
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program does well or not well. His assistants from Cincinnati
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are mostly at Notre Dame. They're not at Wisconsin.
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They didn't come with him. They went to they went with
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Marcus with in his his DC at Cincinnati.
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And so he started over. He started with Alex Grinch and
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I, you know, on his staff and I that was a bad sign right there.
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And it just like you said, it's just never the culture is not
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the Wisconsin culture. It's not the Wisconsin program.
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This is a program that has said we're going to invest in the
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program. So we'll see what that produces,
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but I, I think that seat could be really hot if they've
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invested in the program and nothing changes.
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And I don't think anything's going to change.
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But yeah, I don't, yeah. Unless, unless they they it
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would have to be a complete 180 for Luke.
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Yeah, you think they could trade maybe Florida State or Belt for
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Fickle and do a. There you go.
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Change a scenery trade. Maybe that's all they need, a
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change of scenery. It could not hurt, honestly.
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I just don't get like Mark had mentioned a couple times, you
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hear all these programs that say, oh, we're keeping our
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coach, we're going to invest more money in the program.
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So my first question is why didn't you just invest more
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money in the program, you know, along with hiring this coach and
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then you would save yourself the embarrassment from from hiring
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this guy. But you know, one of the things
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we talked about, Tim, I'm, I'm going to ask one question and I
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think you're, you're emotionally recovered from the start of the
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show and then I'll let you go. But I got, I got some questions
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from the mailbox. So one of the things I think as
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fans we all hear about is these insane buyout amounts.
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James Franklin, 49 million Jimbo Fisher, 75,000,000 How do these
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numbers even come to be? I mean, I can get let the
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coaches and their agents love these numbers, but what, what's
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the what's the reasoning behind this?
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Because it just seems ridiculous like you could be doing so many
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other things with that money. How do these numbers even come
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about? Well, you really have you have
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one agent who's controlling a lot of the a lot of these
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coaches and he has he has leverage and he uses that
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leverage to his advantage to negotiate some some of these
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ridiculous contracts. Yeah.
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And some of them, you know, the athletic directors are just, you
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know, rolling over. There's a couple places where
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the a DS are rolling over. This really started, you know,
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it goes back to the tarmac thing.
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This at this level. Mike Bone a couple years ago was
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charged with hiring a football coach at USC.
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And the what he heard over and over again was you fired a guy
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on the tarmac. Why would I want to go there?
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And so that was used as leverage to start the insane buyouts.
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And since that contract with that buyout, they've gone
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nowhere but up. So we know who to blame.
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So. Yes.
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I mean, yeah, it is hard to feel even if these coaches do get
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fired, it is hard to feel bad for them because they still keep
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getting paid. I mean, if I ever get fired, I'm
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I'm not getting any more checks. If we can go back to the Big 10
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for a second. I had a buddy at work.
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I guess we'll call this a phone, a friend question.
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He's a fan of Iowa and I guess he's tired of Kurt Ferentz.
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He would like to know how much longer do you see him staying
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there and is he going to leave anytime soon?
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I guess he wants them gone for some reason so.
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Yeah, that's an interesting 1. So I, you know, I've heard like
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for the last few years that this was going to be his last year.
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And now it's sort of laughable. You hear, you know, it's going
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to be his last year and I, you know, I don't believe it.
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Now. I think at some point somebody's
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going to have to pull him aside and say, look, we're, we, we
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haven't, you know, a nice cushy office for you and the
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chancellor's office and you can go raise money and this guy's
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taking over and it'll probably be an ugly and, but he's made it
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that way. You know, it's, you know,
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there's a time to step aside. It's probably his, his time.
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And they can let him go out on, you know, with a, a great send
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off and, and, you know, put a statue of him up and like quad
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and have a nice dinner for him and give him a gold watch and
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pat him on the back. But I, I don't think he's going
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to go that way. I think they're going to have to
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push him out. Oh, yeah, that's what John
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Gruden says. There's two types of football
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coaches, those who who have been fired and those who haven't been
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fired yet. So Bobby Bowden was fired.
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I mean, he even said that to the end.
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They said they they would ask him after he retired.
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He'd be like, no, I did not retire, I was fired.
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So, you know, he said that. So if he can get fired, anybody
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can get fired. So yeah, all these guys are
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getting fired eventually, except for Nick Saban.
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He'll just leave. But I guess he'd be the
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exception. He he left at the right time.
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It was. That was it.
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He did. Well, it's got to do with the
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nil stuff. He was like, I'm out, yeah.
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This is not. He can't just, you know, do the
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whole go to school, get grades and be ready for the NFL stuff
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anymore. And now they want all the money.
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So that's level the playing field, if you will.
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So Darren, you got another one coming up?
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I asked one. Pete's got a couple that that
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he's got lined up. I do, yeah.
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Let me circle back to the Big 10 for a minute.
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So I'm a Wolverine. So I mean, the Willingham hire
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is really interesting to me. I, I personally, I think it's a
23:10
really good one. I think he's a culture guy.
23:12
I think he's a repair the damage guy.
23:15
So I think for me, I, I don't think there's a lot of debate
23:18
over that one. I don't think he's a shoot for
23:20
the moon guy, right? He's a fix it.
23:23
But the one more interesting to me than the Michigan thinks, I
23:26
think that's pretty clear what he's there to do is the Pat
23:29
Fitzgerald hire at Michigan. To me, that is way more
23:33
interesting of where that thing goes.
23:36
And is he somebody who can function in this whole new NIL
23:41
world or can he not? You know, that intrigues me
23:45
'cause you know, I'm, I think Kyle can do just fine at
23:48
Michigan, but I'm not sure what Pat can do at Michigan State.
23:53
I'm really just curious about curious about your perspective
23:55
actually on both guys, but even more so, Pat.
23:58
So he had let me lay right down, 'cause I I actually wrote
24:02
something down about this. He had a defensive coordinator
24:05
when he was at Northwestern, a guy, the guy had been there
24:08
forever. And it's really, you know, he's,
24:11
he's a savant with the with defense.
24:14
And the moment that guy left Northwestern started to decline.
24:24
And so I, you know, that's what Pat Fitzgerald's reputation and
24:29
his and his everything he was built on was the Northwestern
24:32
defense. Well, he had a really good
24:34
defensive coordinator. He'd been there for, you know,
24:36
50 years or something. And, you know, it built up the
24:39
program, built up the Northwestern way.
24:41
And, you know, then he had Pat there who really got to back
24:45
that up and probably did a couple things to make it, you
24:48
know, help him be successful, even more successful at it.
24:52
I don't see that guy at Michigan State.
24:54
And so my question is, who's going to, who's going to run the
24:59
defense? Is the guy going to be as as
25:02
good as as the, the guy that he had at, at at at Northwestern?
25:08
Because that's that's when it fell apart.
25:11
So you're going up to Michigan State.
25:13
They had Mel Tucker. That was a disaster that fell
25:17
apart. They brought in Jonathan Smith.
25:20
And listen, if you're willing to wait, probably it would have
25:23
taken four to five years, but Jonathan Smith would get you
25:26
there. They preached that for two
25:28
years. They did not have the patience.
25:30
I preached that for two years. Give the man time.
25:34
They would not do so. So yeah.
25:36
No, they threw him out, and now you've got Pat Fitzgerald, so
25:41
you're going to have two big buyouts and you and you and
25:48
you've killed the you've really killed everything 'cause, you
25:51
know, if I'm a kid and I'm in high school, do I go?
25:54
Let me see. Mel Tucker.
25:55
Jonathan Smith. I don't think so.
25:59
Yeah, I don't think. I think, I think they fired a
26:02
better coach to go to a lesser coach is my, is my opinion on
26:06
that. And as a high school recruit, I
26:08
would look at it that way. Like that place is just a
26:11
cluster and do I really want to go there 'cause this guy will
26:14
probably be out in two years too?
26:16
Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. And also, if you're a parent of
26:21
a kid who's considering a school in that area, I mean, yeah, he
26:24
was found to have no knowledge of everything that was going on
26:27
at Northwestern that led to his dismissal.
26:29
And I mean, his job is to be in charge and know everything
26:33
that's going on. Are you comfortable sending your
26:36
child to go and pay for a guy who was apparently unaware of a
26:40
lot of illegal things going on in his program?
26:43
So yeah, this has got train wreck written all over it.
26:48
I agree with you and Pete completely.
26:50
This is not going to end well. Yeah.
26:52
And I'm not sure that program is recoverable anytime soon.
26:56
I think there's been so much damage done there that they need
27:00
to have complete gutting and their needs time, time needs to
27:03
go. Before that programs were
27:05
recoverable. They have money, but there's
27:09
been a lot of damage done there. You know, the athletic director
27:12
who hired Jonathan Smith was not the guy who fired him.
27:14
And so when that athletic director change came in, you
27:17
know, a DS seem to like to hire their own guy.
27:20
The writing was kind of on the wall.
27:22
But what they really needed to lay out was like, this is the
27:25
stuff that went on with Mel Tucker, and this is what we're
27:27
going to do to fix it. And this is the timeline.
27:29
And nobody ever did that. Instead, they started talking
27:32
about how Jonathan Smith didn't fit and he needs to go.
27:36
And you know, I mean, it was, it was like it was the writing was
27:39
on the wall from the middle of the first year.
27:41
Like right out of the gate, immediately they were on that.
27:44
Like how is this going to work right?
27:48
We did have a question from a YouTube post.
27:52
You want me to go knock that one out there, Darren, Should I go
27:54
ahead? Yeah, the hardline question.
27:56
Yeah, we had one from leave. His name is Crack Monster.
28:00
You want us to know what's your opinion of Brian Hartline at USF
28:04
and where would you rank his hiring in the Group of Five?
28:10
So I think that's a pretty good hire for them.
28:13
You know, he's, he's coming in behind somebody who's obviously
28:16
very successful. And I would, I would give that a
28:21
good. You know, it's always hard to
28:24
say when somebody's a coordinator and they're going to
28:26
become a head coach because you really don't have any, you don't
28:29
have any, you know, kind of track record there.
28:32
You can kind of look what they did as the coordinator and you,
28:35
you kind of extrapolate from there.
28:37
But it's different when they're sitting on, they're sitting in
28:40
charge of the entire program. So I, you know, I would give
28:46
him, I wouldn't start after him next year, you know, and I
28:51
wouldn't even start on him the year after.
28:54
If, if, if things aren't shooting right out of the gate,
28:57
I'd give him to at least year 3 before you assess whether that
29:01
was a good hire or not. He's got to figure out what it
29:04
means to be a head coach. Yeah, he pulled a lot of those.
29:11
Did he pull a lot of those Ohio State receivers from that area
29:14
of the country, South Florida, So.
29:15
I think he did, yeah. At.
29:17
The same point. He should do OK.
29:18
Well, even no matter where they're from, he had Indigba
29:21
Harrison, he had three or four like awesome ones and obviously
29:27
the receivers that he had this year.
29:29
So it's interesting that well not interesting at all.
29:32
Not surprising that someone from Tampa would go by the name crack
29:35
monster. Just want to point that out.
29:36
That's all the Florida Man stories, like 80% of them come
29:42
from Tampa, OK? Not they're, they're the meth up
29:46
here in Jacksonville. We're like the Waffle House.
29:49
I I understand but. Truck what in with the truck
29:52
nuts? That's more more.
29:53
Hillbillies up in Jacksonville. You know, alligators, Waffle
29:57
House violence, everything else is mostly Tampa so and all the
30:01
pythons are down in Miami. That's that's where it all most
30:04
of the Florida Man stuff goes. So I got 1.
30:09
I got one for you, Mark, actually.
30:11
So one of my favorite whipping guys for for years has been
30:14
James Franklin, right? James Franklin was is an
30:17
excellent recruiter, excellent recruiter, right?
30:20
People seem to love the play for the guy, but his tactical stuff
30:24
on the sideline, he seems to shoot himself in the foot
30:28
randomly at the worst time possible.
30:30
That said, Virginia Tech hiring him is an absolute Grand Slam
30:36
for them. I can say nothing bad about that
30:39
hire other than to me that is an ACC changing hire.
30:44
I'm curious about your perspective on that.
30:47
I thought it was the best hire of the cycle, I really did.
30:50
I thought you could not have found a better fit.
30:54
He, if you look at the, at Frank Beamer's record, I pulled up
30:58
Frank Beamer's record and I pulled up James Franklin's
31:02
record, they're almost identical.
31:04
I think Franklin has actually won a little bit more higher, a
31:07
little bit of a higher winning percentage.
31:10
But you know, you look at every, you look at the, the offense,
31:12
you look at the defense, you look at it, you know, you start
31:14
to look at the whole thing, the way that he runs, runs the
31:16
program, he's Frank Beamer. So if you're a Virginia Tech,
31:21
you got your guy. You, you got the perfect guy.
31:26
Could not agree more. Yeah, I think we talked about
31:28
that before on the show and I think we were all in agreement.
31:31
And even then all the coaching positions hadn't been filled.
31:34
But I thought there's no hire that's going to be better than
31:36
this. I mean, he knows that area.
31:38
He like he said he recruits great that he's super familiar
31:41
with that area of the country. And and the one knock about him,
31:45
well, he can't be the top ten team.
31:46
I don't know if anybody's looked at the ACC outside of Miami.
31:49
We don't do that here. No, you guys do not do top ten
31:53
in the ACC, so I see no reason for.
31:58
I mean, I haven't looked at their schedule.
31:59
I don't even know if Miami's on it.
32:03
I don't think I'll look it up when I.
32:04
Looked the record against the top 10.
32:08
Beamer and Franklin were almost identical.
32:11
It was, it was really, I mean, it was everything.
32:14
And I thought, wow, if you know, they love Frank Beamer for good
32:18
reason, you know, he did a lot with them and he ran a really
32:21
great program and was really classy.
32:24
And that's James Franklin's. You know, really if you're an
32:27
opponent of James Franklin, you're you're playing against
32:30
him. He's classy.
32:31
He's, you know, he's a classy guy.
32:33
So he's, that was a really good hire And, and I'll go, you know,
32:38
I'll just do an aside on the Penn State side I've been
32:43
talking about. Shooting after and.
32:49
And they hired James Franklin. If you look at, if you peel back
32:54
the onion and you start looking at Matt Campbell, he is James
32:57
Franklin. So they didn't get any better.
33:01
They hired the same guy. Yeah.
33:04
Yeah, if he can recruit as well as James Franklin, which I'm not
33:07
sure he can. So maybe the same guy, maybe
33:10
slightly less. I I don't know, I'm not sure
33:13
they got better. I just don't know what Penn
33:15
State was thinking. I mean, you're firing Franklin
33:17
mid season. The thought was like you've got
33:19
somebody lined up that you want. Not only did you not have
33:23
somebody lined up, you ran through like 8 guys before you
33:27
finally got Matt Campbell for like 54 days from his firing to
33:31
Matt Campbell's hiring. Just like what are, you know,
33:34
you expect more out of Penn State.
33:36
I'm sorry, I just have no idea what they were even thinking
33:40
making that move but. Speaking of our, our.
33:44
Schedule's easy this year. They'll probably win 10 games
33:46
just to, you know, make us all. We knew what we were doing.
33:49
We're going to win 10 games. Matt Hamill.
33:52
I'm sorry, Pete, go ahead. No, I was going to say, Speaking
33:55
of teams that don't know what they're doing, what the heck is
33:57
Stanford doing? Have they given up on football
34:01
all together? What?
34:02
What is this coaching hire? I don't understand at all what
34:06
that team is doing. So if you take a look at Coach
34:10
Esati tomorrow, we actually dig into that one.
34:13
You know, Stanford's a, it's a weird animal because it, you
34:17
know, they, they do things out of the norm and you know, this
34:23
is definitely a higher out of the norm.
34:26
It it could work. If it's going to work anywhere,
34:30
it'll work at Stanford. That's let's put it that way.
34:33
OK. Anybody else would be pretty up
34:37
in arms about it, but you know, that's one that could actually
34:43
work there. We'll we'll, we'll, we'll see.
34:48
Across the Bay at Cal. That's an interesting hire.
34:53
That's one to watch. So Tash Lapoy, he played at Cal,
34:57
He's from the Bay Area, He went to De La Salle High School.
35:00
He, he knows the lay of the land there for recruiting.
35:05
If you watch the game, the, the game day, you know, when they,
35:11
when they went to Cal, they were all, all of you know, all of the
35:15
hosts were shocked at the turn out and the enthusiasm.
35:20
Cal has really been a sleeping giant, and none of us know about
35:25
it because the last time that they did anything with their
35:28
team was over 60 years ago, 65 years ago.
35:32
And so we don't know about it. But they have a really strong
35:36
culture. They have a really, you know,
35:38
enthusiastic fan base. They've got the alumni support
35:44
as long as they think you they're serious.
35:46
And this might be the first time they've got a chancellor who's
35:49
an alum who knows that. They've got Ron Rivera as the
35:52
general manager who knows that and Tosh Lapoy who is, you know,
35:57
a defensive coordinator at Alabama and at Oregon taking
36:02
over. That might be the out-of-the-box
36:05
hire that could go somewhere this year.
36:08
That would be 1 to watch. You got one, Darren.
36:13
I got AI. Got a few here too.
36:14
I don't know a few. I I the only other one that I
36:17
had, you know, I already talked about SEC earlier.
36:19
Am I the only one that hates the Arkansas hire of Silver field?
36:22
I mean, does anybody like understand what they're thinking
36:25
was because this seems like another terrible hire.
36:28
The Arkansas people don't seem to like it much, but OK.
36:31
That's what I thought. I'm not an Arkansas person, but
36:33
I was just like, got rid of Sam Pittman for this guy.
36:36
I, I I. He's a game manager kind of guy.
36:39
I don't know what he's really going to do.
36:40
There's I don't. Upside doesn't exist.
36:42
I don't think so. I don't know.
36:45
Right. No, Memphis was glad to see him
36:47
go, so that should tell you a lot.
36:53
Which of all the coaching hires we had this year, Which one do
36:56
you think is the best overall cultural fit?
37:01
You're. Clearly the one that's this
37:03
coach will win you a championship, but the one that
37:05
just seems to fit like the community and and what the
37:09
program's trying to do. The Lane Kiffin hire at LSU is
37:13
probably the one that fits the best.
37:18
You think of somebody with, you think of somebody with swagger
37:23
who, you know, talks a big game and you know, does all sorts of
37:28
stuff that you you go, wow, that's Lane.
37:32
And he's in a place where he can do it now where they would
37:35
embrace it. So that's probably the best
37:39
cultural fit. Already fired up.
37:44
They were fired up the minute that happened.
37:46
They were already talking smack. So you're right.
37:49
I mean they are ready for Lane, so they he does fit beautifully
37:53
there. Yeah.
37:55
I. Believe late September, LSU at
37:58
Ole Miss must see the origin. I don't care what's going on
38:04
that day. Nobody better scheduled a
38:06
wedding that Yeah. Not going to be there.
38:11
Be fun. Oh, my God.
38:15
Yeah. I mean, and I got two more here.
38:20
I don't know if Pete, if you wanted to go or Darren, do you
38:22
want to go? I mean, I have something to go.
38:24
Go ahead, Tim. OK, which one?
38:28
Which one is the most overhyped that you think it's just going
38:31
to fall flat? Well, I think Arkansas is a
38:35
good, a good, a good bet for that.
38:40
I, you know, I think, you know, we covered, we covered wedding
38:44
ham at Michigan. And I, I think, you know, what
38:47
we were saying about it was, you know, great cultural fit.
38:51
He's going to put discipline in there.
38:52
He's going to reset the culture. He's not going to take any crap
38:57
from anyone. He's, you know, he's just a real
38:59
no nonsense guy. I've always really liked him.
39:02
When you dig down into the into the numbers, you look at his
39:06
record, you know, he's not a guy who wins against the big teams.
39:10
He'll, he's going to, he's going to beat, you know, the, the, the
39:16
middle of the pack. He's going to have a good
39:18
record. They're going to have a winning
39:19
record. They're going to go to a nice
39:20
bowl game. They're going to look tough, but
39:24
he's going to lose against the top team and that's just been,
39:28
that's been, but he'll reset the culture there and whoever comes
39:32
after him is going to benefit from that.
39:36
If if the betting line if the over under was three years in
39:40
one game for how long Whittingham will be at Michigan
39:44
you betting the over the under under?
39:46
Under. I'm betting the under, yeah.
39:51
He's keeping, he's keeping the seat warm for John Harbaugh.
39:53
That's all that's happening right now.
39:55
Oh yeah, they'll wait for the Giants to get rid of him and
39:57
then he's. Oh, that's what's going to
40:00
happen. So you're banking on the Giants
40:02
impatience. I am.
40:06
Good luck with that. Let me know how that works out.
40:08
Well, you won't have to. I'm sure we'll all hear about
40:10
it. So all right, go with my last
40:16
one or. Yeah, I, I, I got all the ones
40:19
from the e-mail. I I got a couple of Pete's, but
40:21
we'll let him ask those. Well, the one higher that I hate
40:25
the most because I think it's probably the best one and it's
40:29
by the Florida Gators. John Sumrall.
40:30
He would he was like my one, one of my choices to take over for
40:35
Norbel If FSU shake can Norbel, I wanted Sumrall.
40:41
Are my fears correct or do you see hopefully I'm way off base
40:45
here or do you think I'm I nailed something?
40:47
No, I, I think he nailed it. I think he's, and nobody's
40:53
paying attention to them right now and they're doing all kinds
40:55
of the right stuff. So I that's, that's why.
41:00
So there's a couple of them that I'm looking at.
41:01
I'm looking at him at Florida, looking at Bob, Bob Chesney at
41:08
UCLA. As long as the athletic director
41:12
stays out of it. That guy is a moron.
41:16
God bless it, I mean. How do you really feel talking
41:19
about? Bad athletic directors and, and
41:22
he he is, he is a bad Martin Jarman.
41:25
He is a bad one. So, you know, it says something
41:29
when when they put it together, a panel of alums to go make the
41:32
hire and the athletic director's not included.
41:35
And that's what they did. So, but Chesney, he's another
41:39
one who's making all the right moves.
41:41
Lapoye's also making all the right moves.
41:46
Yeah. So those are the those are those
41:48
are three. And along with James Franklin, I
41:50
think that James Franklin was a really good hire for Virginia
41:53
Tech. Would either of those three put
41:57
their team instantly in, you know, mode for playoff or title
42:01
contention, do you think in first year out the gate or is it
42:04
going to take some growing pains, if you will?
42:08
You certainly don't make noise. I don't think that they'll make
42:10
the playoffs. He'll make noise.
42:13
OK. Virginia Tech, there's a
42:18
possibility there, and I think there's a possibility in
42:22
Florida, too. Yeah, that's going to suck. 3rd
42:31
place in Florida again. Or probably 5th place.
42:34
Who am I kidding? OK, so the most baffling hire we
42:39
didn't talk about the most baffling hire to me is at Tulane
42:45
where they promoted Will Paul, who was a disaster at Southern
42:50
Mississippi. And all of a sudden he's the
42:51
head coach at Tulane. And you know, and you know, I
42:59
get emails every week and some of the I should start publishing
43:02
some of those because they're some of them are pretty funny.
43:05
But there are two coaches where I've gotten a boatload of emails
43:10
from people when they were let go where they said the guy is a
43:14
really nice guy, but it just didn't work out.
43:18
And Will Hall was one of them. I probably had two dozen emails
43:22
that said that from people who were really involved in that
43:26
program. They said we wanted it to work.
43:27
We kept extending it. So, you know, it just never got
43:32
traction. And so when you hear that about,
43:35
you know, like he had, he had support there till the end.
43:39
And now he's the head coach of Tulane, I don't understand.
43:41
That was just a lazy hire. Feel the same way about U A/B.
43:48
I mean, you Dilfer, we thought should have never been hired in
43:51
the 1st place as long as he did, but you fired him after he went
43:55
two and four. You promoted the offense
43:56
coordinator, Alex Mortensen. He went two and four and his
44:00
offense actually was worse the last six games of the season
44:03
than it was when he was the offense coordinator of the first
44:05
six games of the season. So I I no idea what UAB is doing
44:11
down there either. So I expect a terrible year for
44:13
them as well. Well, he's a, that's another
44:16
really bad athletic director. He's another one.
44:19
I did, I don't get it, like, oh, you know, why is he still there?
44:22
But I don't think anybody wanted that job.
44:25
I think that they, what they went with was somebody who
44:27
wanted the job, who was there and who knew, at least knew
44:30
where the bathrooms were. But there was, they really
44:34
couldn't attract anyone to that job.
44:37
And it's, and they have really great fan base, really great
44:43
alumni support. There's a lot of positives to
44:46
that job. But if the if they had better
44:50
management, you know, somebody, if they had a better athletic
44:52
director and somebody who actually really cared about the
44:55
program, then I think they would be successful.
45:00
The resources that they have available to them from the
45:02
alumni and from their supporters is, is, is.
45:06
Yeah, there are a lot of schools that would like to have that.
45:12
Yeah, 01 school. We didn't talk about the the
45:14
hiring back in the SEC. Kentucky's new coach, yes, from
45:21
he came over from Oregon. Do you have any thoughts on that
45:24
guy? Do you think he can move them up
45:25
the SEC ladder in any way? I do.
45:28
I think he I think that was a good hire for them too.
45:31
They he's he's AI think he was a quarterback at Kentucky, but I
45:37
would take him. He's very familiar with that
45:38
program. He grew up in Kentucky.
45:40
Yeah, he's a he's an alum. He's a really good offensive
45:43
coordinator. So if he can make that leap to
45:46
head coach that that that one could be a success.
45:52
Yeah, I guess with Lane Kiffin just taking all the oxygen out
45:55
of the room, when you talk about the SEC and all the new coaches,
45:58
he kind of just takes everything out of there.
46:01
You keep this guy. That guy just fell through the
46:02
cracks here a little bit. Look, I'm just going to say just
46:05
because I'm wearing a hat, I am some I'm I'm in the back one of
46:09
the cars on the lane train. Not all the way like sitting up
46:12
front asking to drive. But I mean, I could say, oh, we
46:16
could have a whole show about him.
46:17
No, we can't. He's a douche.
46:19
All right, there's a 5 second show.
46:20
It's over with. Say what you want about the guy
46:22
personally, but he had less an Ole Miss than what he's going to
46:27
have here. And the dude did win 10 games a
46:30
year the last three years. You know, the best thing he did
46:34
was keep his defensive coordinator Baker, and that
46:38
defense was good last year. If Sam Levitt is healthy and
46:43
that's that's a big if it, it's a playoff team, man, I'm sorry
46:48
for. Sure it is.
46:49
For sure it is. All right.
46:51
Let's go down. You know, someone who's had
46:53
experience with Lame, He's a really good coach.
46:57
There's no question about it. It's whether you can handle all
47:01
of the, you know, all of the periphery stuff that comes with
47:05
him. My one concern is you could say
47:09
the same thing about Bill Belichick.
47:10
And I was high on North Carolina last year and that was a train
47:13
wreck. And I'm surprised he was only #7
47:16
on your rankings because I thought this dude would be like.
47:19
Right out of the gate I was bashing that higher.
47:21
I mean I. Carol, I have to take into
47:25
account the talent on the roster, of which he had none,
47:28
starting with Tim's favorite quarterback, Gio Lopez.
47:31
Garbage. But Lane's got the talent, it's
47:34
just a matter of how quickly it can all come together.
47:36
Yeah. Well, I think Gio Lopez was
47:39
better coached at South Alabama than he was at North Carolina,
47:42
so I think that's what it was. Yeah, that was.
47:44
The problem the first. Time.
47:51
The first sign of trouble is when the coach comes in and
47:55
starts hiring his friends or relatives.
47:58
That's not a. That's not a good.
48:00
When your girlfriend's younger than your starting quarterback,
48:02
that's also probably. All.
48:11
Right. Well, I crossed out my question
48:14
so that's all I got on my end. Do you guys have anything else
48:18
you want to add? I just my last two in passing
48:20
that I thought were pretty good hires.
48:21
Colorado State with Jim Mora, I think he'll bring credibility
48:24
and discipline to that program. So I like that hire and to
48:27
replace him at Connecticut, I love that Jason Candle hire.
48:31
I think that there's some really good potential with that program
48:34
with him there. So I like both of those hires.
48:37
Yeah, though I think both of those are good.
48:38
I was actually surprised that Mora didn't go back to UCLA
48:42
because they were really high on him and then and then all of his
48:46
name was at Colorado State. A perfect hire for him, for
48:50
them. It really, he'll do a really
48:52
good job there. 01 Final footnote Yeah, Virginia Tech
48:58
does play at Miami late in November this year.
49:01
Interesting. Excellent.
49:03
We'll test it, see if the James Franklin rule applies.
49:07
The Aces. He'll still lose that.
49:08
Game but the problem is he could be 8 and 2 going into that game
49:13
and it might not be you know that huge of a deal what's the
49:17
you got the rest of his schedule what what's it what's it look
49:19
like real quick if you don't mind let's.
49:21
See if I can pull that up. Can't make it any bigger, so we
49:26
got. No, I'm just curious about their
49:28
their conference slate. Pitt, Cal, Virginia, Miami, SMU
49:32
Clemson, Georgia Tech that Stanford in there Boston College
49:39
Sorry they're one of the teams that have 9 games.
49:42
ACC what are you doing? Can you figure out your damn?
49:45
No, they can't. No.
49:49
The outside of Miami, there's nobody on there that really
49:52
scares me, I mean. The ACC commissioner is hanging
49:56
out with Crack Monster. Tech lost their offensive
49:59
coordinator and Hanes King is gone.
50:03
Austin College, Pittsburgh's I think on the upswing.
50:05
Cal, we already talked. I don't know that that's not a,
50:09
that's not a horrible schedule. Yeah, it's not terrible.
50:13
So let me ask you guys, what do you think of the high of the out
50:18
Scottish hire at Auburn? I was going to actually ask you
50:21
about that. I like it, but that team has
50:24
lost so much. I, I, I actually want to bet
50:31
them to beat Baylor in Week 1 because you can see all these
50:33
South Florida guys coming over. Well, oh, they're in the SEC
50:36
now. Well, the Baylor defense, as
50:38
we've learned, is not anywhere near an SEC caliber.
50:41
I think they can win that. I love what he does offensively,
50:45
but man, they've lost all three of their quarterbacks to the
50:49
portal. They lost Cam Coleman.
50:50
I mean, there is a ton on both sides of the ball that he needs
50:53
to replace. If he can replace that and they
50:57
can gel, I don't I don't see them having a problem
50:59
offensively. And last year that was their
51:01
issue. Jackson Arnold was terrible, but
51:04
they bring in Daniels in there for a few games.
51:06
He was terrible as well. You know, they're they're like
51:09
LSU defense was not their problem.
51:12
Offensively, they'll be better. But yeah.
51:16
Is Byron Brown going to have time to throw the ball or is he
51:18
going to be scrambling for his life, you know, and injured by
51:20
Week 7? I love to hire.
51:23
I I just don't love the current roster.
51:26
Yeah, it's going to take some time.
51:28
The depth is lacking on that team severely.
51:31
They need to build some depth out.
51:32
And the upside of the offense is, is is there.
51:34
And I think it will, it will happen, but it's going to take a
51:37
little time. Yeah, the, the problem with that
51:40
job is the what you just said, the patients like that, they've
51:43
got inpatient donors and you know, they, you know, they've
51:47
pulled the plug on how many of the last coaches that they've
51:51
had. You can go back, you know, and
51:54
so I, I'm just, if I were, if I were Alex, I don't know that I
51:59
would have taken that job because of that, because it's
52:02
going to take you're going to need some patience.
52:04
They're going to need to and they just don't have it there.
52:07
They, you know, they, they fire the coach at the drop of a hat.
52:11
So I don't know. That's all.
52:14
That's a really rough job. Rough as Arkansas, though,
52:19
because there were reports that come out that he had accepted
52:21
the Arkansas job and then his camp came out and said no, we
52:24
didn't. And like 72 hours later he's
52:26
coaching Auburn. So that's why.
52:27
He's like. Lesser of two evils.
52:29
I'll take Auburn over Arkansas any day of the week.
52:33
But I think he was supposed to be.
52:34
The Arkansas guy. I would have taken the Arkansas
52:37
job over this one, Bill. Look, I thought you gave Sam
52:40
Pittman they, you know. I agree.
52:44
You could have stability at Arkansas.
52:45
I I think you could. I think you can build a program
52:48
there. You could have some time to do
52:49
it there. I think that fan base would
52:51
support you there. I think.
52:52
I think that would be the better job.
52:54
I would rather go to Arkansas. That's a that's a great fan base
52:58
there. If they're really on board with
52:59
you, they're really They're all in, yeah.
53:03
Yeah. All right.
53:06
Well, that was a good hour. It went by pretty quickly.
53:09
I thought this. Is a lot of fun.
53:11
Yeah, this is great. I.
53:12
Enjoyed it a lot. Yeah.
53:15
You know what? That's right.
53:16
You know, my dog's been sitting here.
53:17
Bubba's been sitting here the whole time.
53:19
He has not made one sound nice. Yeah, I got mine sitting right
53:24
here. She hasn't made a pee pee but we
53:26
haven't made any pics. Usually when I make a bad maybe
53:28
she'll start barking so. You were actually thinking of
53:30
having Bubba replacing you at some point last year.
53:33
You. Know.
53:35
You would have. Done better than I.
53:39
Yeah, my, my new puppy is over there.
53:41
I was asking the wife, you're going to be home before 7 or
53:43
after 8. I'm like, because I'll record
53:45
downstairs if you're home to watch the demon.
53:48
I'm upstairs and she's actually slept the entire time.
53:52
Thank. Goodness, fantastic.
53:55
All right. Well, that'll wrap it up for the
53:56
first show of the offseason for 26.
53:58
Darren, what's our next show going to be coming up?
54:01
Yeah, we've got, we're, we're done for February.
54:04
We've got a couple shows lined up in March our our famous
54:08
bankroll management show, which, yes, is incredibly boring but
54:11
incredibly important. Very important.
54:14
With 40 states now eligible to bet on sports, we'll, we'll go
54:17
over some some tips and tricks to to keep your bankroll at the
54:21
one deposit that you start with for, for the entire season.
54:25
And then a couple weeks after that we have our national
54:29
championship preview show. Those odds are out at all the
54:32
major sports books, and we might actually have a a guest for that
54:39
as well. That's right, Doc Sports, right?
54:41
Yeah, some guy from Doc Sports is actually planning on joining
54:43
us, so we'll see if that works out.
54:48
The corner handler, he's in. So we'll see.
54:52
That's right. See how that goes.
54:53
But Yep. And then April kicks off, I
54:57
think, well, we got a Heisman preview I think to start April
54:59
and then like mid-april, right through August.
55:01
It's conference previews every week or every two weeks
55:05
depending on what conference. We're doing all right.
55:10
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55:12
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