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Episode #3945 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive August 2005 · The World of Phil Hendrie

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  Speaker 1: Hey, it's Phil Henry here, and welcome to another Radio
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  Speaker 1: Archive Hour from the Hall of Fame Phil Henry Show.
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  Speaker 1: This is from August of 2005, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: August 2005. Father James McWhorters, we're drawing upon our experience
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  Speaker 1: in high school and grade school with priests and nuns,
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  Speaker 1: and most of them, if not all of them, were
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  Speaker 1: fantastic people, but this guy is a kook. Father James McWhorters,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, is saying because of Hurricane Katrina and the stress,
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  Speaker 1: he lets kids just kind of unburden and use all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of foul language and Real crude language. And he's
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  Speaker 1: cool with it because, you know, the kids are unstressing.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds good to me, but the callers don't agree.
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  Speaker 2: James McQuarters is going to join us because of the such,
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  Speaker 2: such sad news out of New Orleans. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's the American spirit once again rising to the fore, Father.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure the people of New Orleans eventually bring their
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  Speaker 2: city back. But you deal every day with kids at
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  Speaker 2: the school and talking to them. And I imagine that
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  Speaker 2: they've been watching the news as well, right?
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  Speaker 3: Well, they have, Phil, and they have their questions, of course,
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  Speaker 3: and a lot of their questions do center on the
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  Speaker 3: liturgical answers to questions as to why God would visit
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  Speaker 3: this kind of tragedy on people. But our prayers go
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  Speaker 3: to those who are affected, and there are a great
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  Speaker 3: many in the area. I think that the way that
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  Speaker 3: the rest of us can minister to understand the emotions
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  Speaker 3: and realize it's a great shock, especially here at the
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  Speaker 3: educational level.
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  Speaker 2: You're the headmaster of a high school in Glendale. Are
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  Speaker 2: you counseling kids?
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  Speaker 3: Well, here, being archdiocese, we're allowing young people to express themselves.
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  Speaker 3: The first thing I think you need to do is
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  Speaker 3: let people talk about it. When you turn on the
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  Speaker 3: television set and you see something like this, sometimes the
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  Speaker 3: very first words out of your mouth are indelicate words.
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  Speaker 3: There are words that might be considered profane.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like G.D., There's a very good example of that.
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  Speaker 3: We have decided that we're not going to admonish the
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  Speaker 3: young people, allowing them to express themselves in whatever manner
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  Speaker 3: they feel is best, and in contact with public schools
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  Speaker 3: as well, so that we can allow young people in
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  Speaker 3: the school systems to process this terrible pain that we
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  Speaker 3: are seeing in New Orleans and not to suffer the
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  Speaker 3: post-traumatic stress disorders that we have. so associate with these
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  Speaker 3: kinds of things.
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  Speaker 2: Can you give me the idea of what is acceptable
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  Speaker 2: for when you say the kids are allowed to say
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  Speaker 2: anything they want?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're simply not going to admonish young people if
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  Speaker 3: they want to say an obscenity, you know. If they're
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  Speaker 3: going to say God followed by the word damn, we're
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  Speaker 3: not going to. We don't think it's good to let
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  Speaker 3: young people express their shock, to not let young people
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  Speaker 3: express their shock and horror the same way adults are
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  Speaker 3: allowed to.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me examples in your school where the kids are
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  Speaker 2: Just sort of emoting, if you will.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we had a young man who was brought into
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  Speaker 3: my office by one of the teachers, the homeroom teachers.
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  Speaker 3: And he had apparently, upon seeing the flooding on television,
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  Speaker 3: had used the phrase, had used the phrase, F me.
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  Speaker 3: And the teacher brought him straight away.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, he used the F word.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, he did. And the teacher brought him straight away
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  Speaker 3: to me. And I said to the young man, I said,
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  Speaker 3: I understand your shock. And I told our faculty straight
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  Speaker 3: after that that this hurricane, and I made an indelicate joke.
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  Speaker 3: I said, as soon as this hurricane blows over, I
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  Speaker 3: feel it's right to allow the children to use the
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  Speaker 3: language that they're accustomed to using among themselves so that
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  Speaker 3: they can process this tragedy and the shock and not
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  Speaker 3: have adults monitoring them. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, on your campus, the kids are allowed to use
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  Speaker 2: words such as B-I-T-C-H.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: For the C word?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I want to emphasize this is a temporary remedy. In
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  Speaker 3: other words, the children are allowed to express and emote
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  Speaker 3: in the way that they wish in order to process
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  Speaker 3: this terrible tragedy in New Orleans.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 4: But they're allowed to use the C word, the F word,
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  Speaker 4: the MF word. All of these are allowed.
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  Speaker 3: That is correct. And the fact is the kids are
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  Speaker 3: hearing these words at home and on HBO and on
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  Speaker 3: different cables. So We don't approve of harsh language, but
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  Speaker 3: in this instance, we feel it's better for the children
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  Speaker 3: to use obscenities, even if directed at their teachers, than
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  Speaker 3: becoming some Columbine-style casualties of this trauma.
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  Speaker 4: So if a kid gets angry at a teacher, he
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  Speaker 4: should be allowed to call the teacher an obscenity?
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  Speaker 3: But we're not talking about this as a status quo.
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  Speaker 3: We're simply saying.
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  Speaker 4: No, I understand that, but for the time being... We're.
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  Speaker 3: Simply saying that for the time being, the children, yes.
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  Speaker 3: So in other words, Phil, it's very important that the
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  Speaker 3: children be allowed to call a teacher.
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  Speaker 4: If a kid wants to say to the teacher that
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  Speaker 4: she's a C-word, that's allowed?
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  Speaker 3: As long as it's not gratuitous or a whore or
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  Speaker 3: what have you. That child does not want to suppress
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  Speaker 3: the trauma of this hurricane on the news. And in
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  Speaker 3: six months, if that child is told he must suppress
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  Speaker 3: this hurricane and the trauma of this hurricane... In six months,
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  Speaker 3: the teacher who was simply called a C-word today, in
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  Speaker 3: six months, that student is holding that teacher hostage and
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  Speaker 3: putting her naked pictures online Al-Qaeda style, you know. So
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  Speaker 3: we're trying to avoid this kind of tragedy.
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  Speaker 4: All right, 1-800-449-8686.
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  Speaker 2: At least in one school and in several others associated
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  Speaker 2: with Belmar and Father McCorders, they're allowing the kids to
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  Speaker 2: express their shock at this event in New Orleans by just...
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  Speaker 2: emoting verbally, and you feel confident. And by emoting verbally,
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  Speaker 2: they can use any word, any obscenity.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Phil, within a time parameter, yes.
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  Speaker 4: What is the time parameter?
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  Speaker 3: I've consulted with doctors and psychologists. I think that for
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  Speaker 3: the next seven or eight days, you allow the children
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  Speaker 3: to express themselves. We don't want, as I said, this
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  Speaker 3: child who called the teacher a C word or One
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  Speaker 3: of the kids called the teacher, I think the phrase
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  Speaker 3: was a stained C-rag. We don't want that child if
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  Speaker 3: told he can't say that.
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  Speaker 4: A stained C-rag. In other words, the most vile thing.
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  Speaker 3: But if that child is not allowed to express it now,
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  Speaker 3: in six months that teacher's picture is on the internet,
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  Speaker 3: Al-Qaeda style.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying a Columbine event, some kind of Columbine event.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we're afraid of, and that's what we're trying
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  Speaker 3: to prevent, yes.
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  Speaker 2: All right, this is a newly accepted line of thinking
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  Speaker 2: about kids and how they process trauma. With me is
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  Speaker 2: Father James McCorders from Belmar Academy. How do the kids
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  Speaker 2: deal with the shock of the flood in New Orleans
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  Speaker 2: at their school and at others? They're just letting the
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  Speaker 2: kids emote, say whatever they want, even if the words
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  Speaker 2: are vulgar, even if, in point of fact, the kids
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  Speaker 2: are talking to their teachers in a way that's very disrespectful.
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  Speaker 4: And it is, isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it is, Phil. I think it's the child...
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  Speaker 3: Being allowed to vent a part of the psyche, which
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  Speaker 3: we understand is an aggressive part of the psyche, but
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  Speaker 3: sometimes has to be vented. And the advice that we
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  Speaker 3: get from the very best psychologists and children behaviorists is
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  Speaker 3: more and more, if you let a child express himself
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  Speaker 3: freely and unencumbered, it won't come back to haunt society later.
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  Speaker 3: When the hurricane pictures were first being processed on television,
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  Speaker 3: I can tell you that one of our young freshmen
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  Speaker 3: When asked for his homework, it was asked for his
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  Speaker 3: homework by his homeroom teacher, and he said F that.
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  Speaker 3: He's used the F word. And we also had the
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  Speaker 3: girls who participated on the drill team in a very
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  Speaker 3: vulgar display calling the drill team instructor name.
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  Speaker 4: What did they call her?
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  Speaker 3: They called her a D sucker. So you can see...
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  Speaker 3: All right, now you....
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  Speaker 4: You're okay with this? Did you respond to it?
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  Speaker 3: No, I did respond to it, and after interviewing the
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  Speaker 3: kids involved, and I prayed on it. I believe at
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  Speaker 3: the time the prudent thing to do was to allow
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  Speaker 3: the children to fully express their frustration.
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  Speaker 4: All right, our number is one. So you've got girls
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  Speaker 4: calling their drill team instructor a D-sucker.
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  Speaker 2: You've got these kids using the F-word. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: they are given freedom to abuse their teachers, right?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we all remember from our childhood, sticks and stones
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  Speaker 3: can break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
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  Speaker 3: We are talking about children and adults, and we do
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  Speaker 3: ask and expect our teachers to act as adults. As
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  Speaker 3: the kids say, you know, these days they need to
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  Speaker 3: lighten up a little bit, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, all right, now we have this, one of the
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  Speaker 2: kids in her class, one of the nuns, a science class,
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  Speaker 2: called her a stained C-rag, right?
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  Speaker 3: That's correct. It's something that shocked the sister involved, Sister Viviana,
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  Speaker 3: and she's a wonderful teacher. but the children are processing.
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  Speaker 4: This horrible truth. Alright, 1-800-449-8686.
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  Speaker 2: I guess because of Columbine and other things that have happened,
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  Speaker 2: they're trying everything they can to try to get kids
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  Speaker 2: to decompress, not internalize all these traumas and all of
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  Speaker 2: these shocks, and eventually have it come exploding out later,
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  Speaker 2: so they're letting the kids express themselves completely without any
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  Speaker 2: censorship to the point where they're allowed to call their
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  Speaker 2: teachers names. Now, we've got incidents here where the girls
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  Speaker 2: called a drill team instructor a D sucker.
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  Speaker 4: They called one of the nuns a stained C rag.
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  Speaker 2: All kinds of things that obviously were this any other time,
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  Speaker 2: these kids would be out of that school or whatever
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  Speaker 2: some of these schools do for disciplinary measures. Our guest
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  Speaker 2: is Father James McWhorters here on the Phil Hendry Show.
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  Speaker 2: He is the principal of Belmar Academy in Glendale, California.
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  Speaker 2: On dealing with this horrible story out of New Orleans,
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  Speaker 2: how do the kids, how do we help the kids?
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  Speaker 4: Process it? Our number is 1-800-449-8686.
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  Speaker 1: 1-800-449-8686.
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  Speaker 4: We'll be right back. Phil Hendry Show. 1-800-449-8686. Don't be
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  Speaker 4: bleaching out on me now, sister.
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  Speaker 1: 1-800-449-8686. The Phil Hendry Show is back.
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  Speaker 2: Father James McCorders joins us from Belmar Academy. How do
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  Speaker 2: we help our kids process the news of the day?
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  Speaker 2: In this particular case, the hurricane in New Orleans, which
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  Speaker 2: has put the city of New Orleans 80% underwater. The
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  Speaker 2: kids at your school and other psychologists recommend the kids
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  Speaker 2: be allowed to express themselves.
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  Speaker 4: That they'd be allowed to say words they ordinarily wouldn't say.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you mentioned that there was a, somebody had carved
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  Speaker 2: into the back of a desk.
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  Speaker 4: Can I quote it?
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  Speaker 3: You're talking about Sister Vivian? Yes. Yes, please, because, Phil,
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  Speaker 3: I'm an adult man, and Sister Vivian is a mature person,
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  Speaker 3: and our job is not to become personally offended by
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  Speaker 3: what these children say. Our job is to help these
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  Speaker 3: children process the trauma they're going through.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the kids are scrapping things under the desk, like
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  Speaker 2: Sister Vivian is giving H to Father McWhorters.
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  Speaker 3: That is correct. It's crude. It's also expressive. It's also
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  Speaker 3: something that comes from a place of fear.
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  Speaker 4: Why are they hostile to you?
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  Speaker 3: I think they want to be hostile to God. I
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  Speaker 3: think they feel that God has let the people of
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  Speaker 3: New Orleans, let the people of America down, and I
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  Speaker 3: think we represent God. And if we can understand this,
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  Speaker 3: we can all become, I think, much better parents and
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  Speaker 3: teachers to these children. And I don't want the adults
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  Speaker 3: to let their egos get in the way. If, for instance,
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  Speaker 3: Sister Vivian or the girls' cheerleader teacher, they call her
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  Speaker 3: a de-sucker or whatever, and she lets her ego get
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  Speaker 3: in the way, and she says, for whatever reason, well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not that kind of a person. Well, of course
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  Speaker 3: you're not that kind of a person. This is a
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  Speaker 3: child talking.
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  Speaker 4: All right, 1-800-449-8686. David, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Bill.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, I understand.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not a psychiatrist. I understand a little bit about
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  Speaker 7: the subject. I can understand having open expression and expressing
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  Speaker 7: themselves using curse words and profanity to express the pain
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  Speaker 7: and the anguish they're feeling.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what we're trying to do, yes.
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  Speaker 7: Boy, I understand that, but I'm just baffled by how
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  Speaker 7: disrespecting and using totally just unacceptable, vulgar.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there you go, judging. You see, you can't judge.
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  Speaker 3: The minute you bring judgment into it, what you're doing
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  Speaker 3: is censoring a very primal place in these children, which
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  Speaker 3: must be expressed because it is not allowed this expression.
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  Speaker 3: This begins to ferment into an anger. And that anger
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  Speaker 3: can very easily become an explosive and an antisocial thing.
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  Speaker 3: And it's our belief that if, as adults, we don't
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  Speaker 3: take these things personally, that we let the children say
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  Speaker 3: what it is they're going to, they're always going to
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  Speaker 3: rebel against authority.
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  Speaker 2: Well, how do you feel about some kid scratching at
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  Speaker 2: the back of a desk, Sister Vivian is giving H
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  Speaker 2: to Father McWhorter's?
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  Speaker 7: How in the world does that have anything to do with...
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  Speaker 7: And I understand they're upset and they're expressing, but can
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  Speaker 7: they not have a form to express their upset and not...
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't see how they're not... It sounds
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  Speaker 7: like the kids may be just taking advantage or they've...
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  Speaker 7: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's more of an insult to Sister Vivian than
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  Speaker 3: it is to me. In other words, they're basically calling
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  Speaker 3: her a whore. Well, that's certainly... You don't want that
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  Speaker 3: to be... But I'll tell you.
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  Speaker 4: There's another one here. Sister Vivian took one off the chin.
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  Speaker 3: All of these things that are said by the children
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  Speaker 3: are said because they're in fear and because also they're
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  Speaker 3: blaming God for what has happened. And we represent God
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  Speaker 3: to them.
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  Speaker 7: Is this a school for, like, troubled children?
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  Speaker 3: No, this is a high school, a college preparatory high school.
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  Speaker 7: It's just a regular school. I mean, they didn't like.
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  Speaker 4: College preparatory high school.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. I just.
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  Speaker 6: I'm confused.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: You got all this stuff carved in there.
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  Speaker 2: Sister Vivian took one off the chin.
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  Speaker 4: Miss Elizabeth is a D sucker. This is all extremely
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  Speaker 4: hostile stuff.
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  Speaker 7: And I just don't understand why they were... I understand
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  Speaker 7: about being angry with... They can be angry with God, but...
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  Speaker 7: As a Christian myself, I'm not Catholic, but as a Protestant,
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  Speaker 7: as a Christian, I don't understand why have they not
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  Speaker 7: just been taught that there are things that happen that
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  Speaker 7: are just out.
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  Speaker 6: Of our understanding.
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  Speaker 3: Well, children, even Christian children, you know, we're all believers
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  Speaker 3: in the blood of Jesus Christ, and we're all Christians. No,
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  Speaker 3: that's what I mean. But I'm saying that children, you
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  Speaker 3: can intellectually try to give them the message. For instance,
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  Speaker 3: we caught one boy. He was carving to the back
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  Speaker 3: of the desk. One of our athletic teachers, a basketball coach, Mr. Hayes, Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Hayes has a joy hole in his pocket, and Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Hayes plays pocket pool and all of this stupid... And
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  Speaker 3: I said to the teachers at the faculty meeting, I said,
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  Speaker 3: as adults, we should.
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  Speaker 4: No, Father, you're making a very good point. As adults,
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  Speaker 4: we ought to let it roll off of us.
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  Speaker 2: And I think what the gentleman is saying is that
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  Speaker 2: the kids at some point need to learn respect.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: They'll never learn respect unless they look at us, and
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  Speaker 3: we are able to allow them to vent and allow
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  Speaker 3: them to... Be filled with fear.
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  Speaker 4: And so they call the principal of the girls' school,
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  Speaker 4: Sister Vivian, a dyke and a whore.
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  Speaker 3: That's correct, yes. You know, I said a joke, and
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  Speaker 3: maybe I shouldn't have said the joke, but I said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's not half wrong. I mean, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these nuns, you know. But no, I.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's not appropriate.
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  Speaker 3: What is?
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  Speaker 4: To say that's not half wrong.
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  Speaker 3: I'm speaking to a group of parents, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if you look at this nun, the point that I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to make here is don't take it personally.
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  Speaker 4: What if they said Father McWhorter's is a child molester?
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  Speaker 3: I would think it's unfortunate the children have to be
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  Speaker 3: that hostile toward me, but I would let them say that.
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  Speaker 3: And as long as it doesn't get too far with
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  Speaker 3: me because I'm the principal, I have to maintain order.
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  Speaker 3: And if they start calling me queer or something like that,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead, David.
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  Speaker 7: I was going to say, I think this, as far
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  Speaker 7: as letting them express themselves, if they're saying, F this situation,
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  Speaker 7: this is some F.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's what they're saying, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 7: I think that is very progressive. I think that is good.
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  Speaker 7: That's how they can express themselves.
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  Speaker 4: But here is a comment here.
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  Speaker 7: When we're getting into the point that we're just saying
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  Speaker 7: the most obscene, filthy things to people in authoritative.
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: But.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: This is the anger. Listen, David, this was the anger
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: that was expressed at Columbine. This was the kind of
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: virulent anger.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Well, what about this comment? Father McWhorter's has a pencil D.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: I don't understand.
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  Speaker 7: But we're doing it out of fear, scared that the
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: kids are.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Going to shoot somebody.
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: So we'll let them do whatever they want because we
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: don't want to offend them because one might get a gun.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know about you. I don't want to
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: wake up one morning with my hands raised above my
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: head and the barrel of a Walter PPKS in my mouth.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: being held there by a seventh grader. You know, I
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: need to keep my options open on that.
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: Well, I work on the road and drive hundreds of
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: miles a day on the road, and I don't want
• 17:26
  Speaker 7: to end up getting hit by a tractor-trailer, but I
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: can't live in fear of that and not drive.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Good point, David. I'm going to move along, David. Thank
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: you for your call. 1-800-449-8686.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Father McWhorter's has a pencil D, so-and-so's a D-sucker. All
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: of these things sound like they're written right off the
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: side of a bathroom wall.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, Phil, I said to the children, we
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: had a school assembly this afternoon, and I said I
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: was joking. I said, I know the things you're writing
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: about Mr. Hayes having a joy hole or this sort
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: of thing. But I said, and this was the joke
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I made. I said, well, you know, you're not half wrong,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: you know, in a lot of these things.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Well, the comment that Sister Vivian is a dyke.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Somebody said that she was a man-eating diesel dyke. And
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: it was my impression that that was the feeling that
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: children have because she's a very large woman and has
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: been part of our disciplinary process for a long time.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: All right, 1-800-449-8686. Jerry, go ahead. You're on The Phil
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Henry Show.
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: Father, I believe you can't be wrong.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: You need to turn your radio down there, Jerry. You're
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: really going to get confused. Go ahead.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Father, you know, he's a father. There's no way that
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: these kids would be allowed to talk like that, that
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: kids need parameters. We find that kind of thinking led
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: to some very violent events in the late 1990s in
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: this country among juveniles.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: But letting them talk that way to adults.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question? If you know you're
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: not that thing and you know you're hearing it from
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: a child, then why would you take it personally? If,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: for instance, your name is Jerry, and you are one
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: of our teachers, suppose you're one of our librarians, or
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: you're one of our assistant teachers, and they said, Jerry,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, Jerry does it with the
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: football team, or something like that. It's disrespectful, but it also....
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Hey, Jerry, I'm going to hang up on you if
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: you don't turn that radio down because it's like I
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: can hear it a mile away here.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Turn it all the way down. You there?
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yes. For instance, Jerry, what if it was etched into
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the back of a desk? You can yodel in Jerry.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Look, can we just hold on for a minute? 1-800-449-8686.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Father James McWhorters is with us. And kids processing the terrible,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: terrible news of the day. In this instance, Hurricane Katrina.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: How do we help them?
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: At Belmar Academy and other schools, they're saying, kids, just
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: say it. Say it. Just express your rage, express your
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: frustration using every kind of vulgarity, even to the point
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: where they're scribbling things on the back of the desk
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: like Sister Vivian is a man-eating diesel dyke. 1-800-449-8686, Phil
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• 20:38
  Speaker 4: Father James McCorders is with us. Father McCorders?
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: I feel it. Could I be your indulgence for a moment?
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: Well, we're back on the air.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: If you guys, I know you're at a bingo fundraiser there.
• 20:49
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• 20:52
  Speaker 2: This idea of letting the kids express their horror, their trauma,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: their shock at these events by just letting them let
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: whatever instinct, whatever even negative instinct, obscene instinct pour out
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: of them, you know, reaches new, I think, lows when
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: you have what was in evidence in one of the textbooks.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Now, you know what I'm referring to?
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: You're referring to our ancient history text, and in it
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: there's a picture of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: of the students had drawn an enormous penis on the picture, yes.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Isn't that, for a Catholic school, a Christian school, just
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: about as low as it gets?
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: It reflects a defect in character, there's no doubt. And
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: it reflects a strong sadistic bent. And one of the
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: other students had drawn large breasts on Mary. And I
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: had made the comment to the student, I said, well,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: those proportions are right, you know. And that got me
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: into some problems with the parents.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Well, why would you say something like that?
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Because I'm trying to lighten the mood. I'm trying to
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: let the children know there's nothing wrong with this.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: So they're drawing large appendages on Jesus and big jugs
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: on Mary, and everything's okay. Sister Vivian took one off
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the chin. All of these things amount to what you
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: call healthy venting.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Well, Sister Vivian got upset, you know, because, like I said,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: you know, if the shoe fits.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: What is that supposed to mean? She is a lesbian?
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: You know, to look at her, you'd swear to Jesus.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: All right, 1-800-449-8686. Elvin, go ahead.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Hi, this is Elvin.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, sir. Go right ahead.
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  Speaker 8: I have five children, three in their early teens, and
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: I've spent, you know, the 15 years I've been with
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: my children trying to teach them that you can't disrespect anybody,
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: that you've got to have the utmost respect for your
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: elders and people of authority, and that you have to
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: conduct yourself in such a manner that that people will
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: have respect for you.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you're right, but in the event of
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: a tragedy, for instance, today with the terrible news coming
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: from New Orleans, any other day that a child had
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: written in a big... One of the kids came to
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: school with a big poster board that said, Sister Marguerite
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: is a hosebag. I would have had that child expelled.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? The kid's walking around with a
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: sign like that?
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: He had put it on the end of a wooden post,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: and he was walking around like it was a picket sign, yeah.
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: Well, with children, you give them an inch, and they're
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: going to take a lot.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Well, that's true, yes.
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: If you're going to teach them respect, you can't, even
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: in a moment of frustration, a moment of tragedy or anything,
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: if they're allowed to do anything that they feel right
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: at that moment, that's not teaching them anything. That's letting
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: them think that later on in life, well, if I'm
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: having a bad moment, well, it's just, Because of the circumstances,
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: that's okay.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I said to the teachers, I said, if what the
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: children are saying is reflective of anything, in fact, I
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: think you're going to have to suck it up. You're
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: going to have to suck on it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Wait a minute, man.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: There's nothing a kid has to say about a teacher
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: that is violently obscene that is truth.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I agree with you, Phil.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: What do you mean you're going to have to suck
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: on it?
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Well, if you say that Sister Vivian... you know, is
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: butch on wheels, you're going to have to, if that's
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: the truth.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: How do you know it's the truth? And how do
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: the kids know it's the truth? And what's that got
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: to do with the fact that she took a religious vow?
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm trying to say to the kids.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Well, that's not what you're saying to the kids. If
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: you say to the kids, hey, Sister Vivianza Dyke, you
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: know what, kid? Hey, if the shoe fits where, you
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: got something there. What respect does that show the nun?
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, this, it rolls off her back like water, like oil.
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: It, If you let these kids, if you allow these
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: kids to say things now and allow them to disrespect people.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Elvin, did you stutter in school?
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Will you let the gentleman finish?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Elvin.
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: If you allow these kids to disrespect people now, later
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: on in life they're going to continue to disrespect people,
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: and then they're not going to allow anybody else to
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: have respect for them.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what you're going to say then
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: when Stage 2 arrives, because Stage 2 is very, very pivotal.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: And that is public masturbation.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: No, I don't agree with that at all.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Well, you have to let them explain.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: I don't agree with that at all. Elvin, thank you.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Well, you don't have anything to say about it, do you?
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Well, hey, you know what? As a teacher, as a taxpayer.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: It's a private school, genius. Taxpayer? Boy, you really got
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: a pair on you bringing that up.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Hey, wait a minute. I'll tell you right now. As
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: a member of my community, I don't care whether you're
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: private or not. I got something to say that goes
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: on anywhere... where public decency is threatened. What do you.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Think of that? Well, now you're talking.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Well, see, now you're talking totalitarian.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: 1-800-449-8686.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: James, go ahead. You're on The Phil Henry Show.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I got a question for your father, which I
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: bite my tongue when I call your father, but you
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: said earlier that you prayed about this situation, right?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, I did. I prayed fervently. Now, if you did that...
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: And by the way, I'll let the crack go by
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: about it. You know, I bite my tongue. So.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: But obviously you say you're a Christian, Protestant.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And all, right? Wait, wait, wait, James, I'm Catholic. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: didn't say Protestant.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Okay, well, you believe that the Bible is God's Word, right? Sure.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: So then what about the Scripture that says, train up
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: a child in the way he should go, and when
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: he gets old, he won't depart from it?
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Well, wait a minute. I'm the priest. Are you? No.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I am a minister. Yes, I am. Well, if you're
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: a minister, do you drink?
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Why do you ask him that?
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Because if I'm a priest, why would he assume I'm Protestant?
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Episcopalian?
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: There are some other religions that call their ministers and
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: pastors father.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Well, here's my take on all of this.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: I do not drink.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: You don't? No. Can I share something with you, James?
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: All right, get to the point of what we're saying,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: because you've got kids that are, in my opinion, stepping
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: over the line.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I tried to, James, would you please explain to Mr.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Henry that it's a private school that I'm a part of? Mr.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Henry doesn't seem to get it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: It could be a private school. You tell me you're
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: not getting any food funds from the state or the
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: government at all?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: You're asking me if I'm getting any what?
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: No food for the lunch program.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Or anything like that? No, no, no, no. We live
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: in a, our school's in a very affluent community. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: the teachers and the parents are all band together as one.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: But the bottom line is, what you're provocating.
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: There is you're putting.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I got a raffle off a refrigerator, so you guys...
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Can we finish?
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Well, you're putting off these kids, and you're putting these
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: do-as-you-want type of kids into my society. That's a problem.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Leave that seat open at
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Caribbean Poker. You done?
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Look, have a little respect for the... James, thank you
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: for your call. A little bit of respect for my callers.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Mr. Henry, I'm trying to help the children of today...
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: And I tell the children, you know, call them as
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: you see them, all right? And if Hayes has got
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: a joy hole, have at it.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: That's great. That's real respect, man. All so they can
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: process the trauma. 1-800-449... Leave that seat open at Caribbean Poker.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: 1-800-449... You ever played Caribbean Poker? It's kind of squirrely.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: All right, 1-800-449-8686. Phil Hendry Show. 1-800-449-8686. Did your.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Dad ever put a banana in your shorts?
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: All right, 1-800-449-8686. Now time for our flashback. All right,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: here we go. Great show, Phil. Really funny. Can you
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: play the bit where Bob Green is talking about telling
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: his drivers to make that 30-minute time limit for deliveries?
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: I laughed so hard I almost choked. Keep it up,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Jack in Detroit. Here it is. You're the police officer, sir?
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: Actually, I just retired. I got twice as much time
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: on the job as this guy's got in business. 34 years.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: What I can tell you is.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute. What's a cop got to do with
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: what I do for a living?
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: Oh, buddy, I got everything to do. Just hang on
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: and listen to my story for a second, if you
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: can keep your mouth shut, just for five seconds.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a cop.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: First of all, what you've done, sir, on this program,
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: and I want to thank you for it, is you
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: have created a lawsuit waiting to happen. When, and I
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: don't say if, but when one of your drivers, due
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: to some... unsafe driving tactics that he's been hammered into
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: his head that he must do to get there, creates
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: a traffic accident that causes one, two, or three of
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: these deaths that you don't seem to be too concerned.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: About, you're going to make somebody very, very rich.
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: They're going to make somebody very, very rich. They are
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: going to own whatever the company it is you own.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Well, that's why you're a cop. You don't know anything
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: about the law. Now, see.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Well, what is that supposed to mean? He knows about
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: the law.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: First of all, what you don't want to do is
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: get into a debate with me about the law.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Well, the civil law.
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: The other thing is this.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: The other thing is this.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: And I would also say that.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: My drivers are sworn.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: Who's going to talk here?
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: All right, hold on, gentlemen. Just hold on for a minute, gentlemen.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: This is a.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Hold on. This is a police officer talking. What do
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: you mean about the law?
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I mean civil law. I mean when it comes to
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: going into a civil claims court, he's out of his league.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: All right, let the gentleman finish his comments, Mr. Green,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: because we've given you almost an hour.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, but if you want to sit here and, you know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: make me just sit here and have to bite a
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: towel while these people beat me up. No, no, no.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, go ahead.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: Let me ask you something, sir. Have you heard of
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: a company called Domino's Pizza?
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Domino's Pizza?
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: Have you ever heard of Domino's Pizza? Have you ever
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: heard of them, sir? Have you ever heard of Domino's Pizza?
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: It's a simple question.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Just a question. It's a It's a pizza company. Is
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: that correct? Excuse me.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: I just asked for a yes or no answer. You
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: want to know the law? Just pretend like I'm a lawyer.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: Yes or no, sir.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Have you heard of Domino's Pizza? You pretend like I'm
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe. I'll tell you what.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Look, answer the man's question. Have you heard of Domino's Pizza?
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Have I heard of Domino's Pizza? Is that his question?
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: Yes, sir.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: I'm racking my brain. I'm racking my brain.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: You've never heard of Domino's? Do you remember Domino's Pizza?
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Their famous thing was what? 30 minutes or less. Is
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: that not correct? You don't know.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: You're asking me. I don't know the company. You don't know.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I came up with the 30-minute or less guarantee. I
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: know that.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: Oh, excuse me, sir. You were way behind Domino's Pizza
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: when it came up to 30 minutes or less.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Domino's Pizza, anyway. Sir, excuse me. I wouldn't know Domino's
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Pizza from a boil on my rear end, okay? I
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: came up with a 30-minute or less guarantee.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: All right, let's just say it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: Let me tell you something. Domino's Pizza is a billion-dollar corporation,
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: and yours is probably a $ 2 organization the way you
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: run it. But what I'm trying to tell you is, sir,
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: they were sued for exactly what you're doing, telling their
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: drivers they must be there in 30 minutes or less.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: It costs them so much in litigation fees. Win or
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: lose the litigation doesn't make any difference.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to see your source material on that.
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: The source material, sir, it's litigated law. You don't have
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: to be a brain surgeon.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Did this make the news?
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: Excuse me?
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Did this make the news?
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: Make the news?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: You're kidding!
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: You've never heard of Domino's Pizza, Mr.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Green.
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  Speaker 2: Domino's Pizza is an enormous chain pizza delivery company, not unlike,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: The others.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: And they were sued, and they lost. And, you know.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Well, how many pies were they delivering? Because I bet
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: you we got them beat. How many pies did they
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: do a day?
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: How many pies did they do a day? We're talking
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: all over America.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: All over.
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: I cannot believe, sir, that you've not heard of Domino's Pizza.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: I just can't... Look, I can't... I've never... I never
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: heard of you either, so what difference does it make?
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: Okay, let me just tell you one other thing. One
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: of these pizza companies, and it was not Domino's Pizza,
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: thank God, was getting such a rush because everybody, there's
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: a tremendous competition. When I was working acid investigation back
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: in the early 70s.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I like this guy telling me the restaurant business. I
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: just love it.
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  Speaker 4: Will you let the man finish, please?
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: You know, you're about a rude individual, sir.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: No, I just want to, was it Fincross, Presbyterian, or what?
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: I'm just trying to tell you something from my experience....
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: As a pizza delivery guy or as a cop?
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: As a police officer.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: Boy, this guy is really rude.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. Are they the guys
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: that do the four cheese? That's all I want to know.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Are they the guys that do the four cheese? Because
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: then I've heard of them if they do the four cheese.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Who?
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Domino's. Do they do the four cheese?
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't eat pizza very much. Just
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: listen to what I'm telling you. A pizza delivery, and
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: it wasn't Domino's, but a pizza delivery kid that was
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: trying to beat The Domino's 30-minute thing, because that's what
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: Domino's kind of set the standard at that time. He
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: ran across a railroad crossing, threw, and tried to beat
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: a red light.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I'd hire that kid.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Fine.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: You don't have to hire him anymore, sir, because he
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: burned up in his vehicle. Another car... Excuse me, sir.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: You know what? Then I wouldn't hire him because.
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: He couldn't... Excuse me, sir. Let me explain something to you.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: Not only did this young man die.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Will you let this guy finish?
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: Jesus. You know what? Not only did this young man die,
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: three other people died in two other cars because this
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: young man had to make his delivery as quickly as possible.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: And you can't see where that young man... At least
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: he burned with dignity. Oh, my God.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: All right. Paul, I've got to break. I've got to break.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Well, this guy, you know, if he wants to tell
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: me about Winchell's, maybe I'll listen. Phil Hendry. That tears
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: it down.