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Best of Chuck 7-8 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 3: We'll also sprinkle in some.
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  Speaker 1: Wit I hope so, yeah, I do too, believe me,
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  Speaker 1: I really do so. Four hours coming your way here
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  Speaker 1: this morning, and then we'll hand things over to Greg Bell,
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  Speaker 1: who will not do nearly as good as show.
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  Speaker 6: He's only going to do it for half the time,
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  Speaker 6: half the effort, half.
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  Speaker 3: The time put in.
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  Speaker 7: You know that's bell for cypical former army guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, he's that guy.
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  Speaker 3: I'll get up before.
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  Speaker 1: I'll do more before five pm than most people do
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  Speaker 1: all day, right, you know what I'm saying. So, yes,
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  Speaker 1: Greg will be coming up at ten o'clock today. We
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  Speaker 1: got a lot to discuss on the program today. It's
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  Speaker 1: been a while. I think I've been on my best
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  Speaker 1: behavior that I've talked about driving on the way in.
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  Speaker 6: It has been a while, it has, right, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean us do it a lot and then I'm
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  Speaker 1: like check myself before I literally wrecked myself.
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  Speaker 6: Smart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I got to point out this one because
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  Speaker 1: I think this one's kind of unique to and I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's Seattle. I think it's what drivers have
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  Speaker 1: become in the last ten years. Ok So, and I've
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  Speaker 1: lived in Seattle for the last ten years, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't think this is geographic. And it's still not number
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  Speaker 1: one on the list of the driver that I despise most, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but I will say it is the infraction that happens
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  Speaker 1: most frequently as of late, and really this person is
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  Speaker 1: climbing my list. So I literally had somebody who didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to wait behind the person in front of them, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: come over without any indication and cut me off even
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  Speaker 1: though there was not much room. If I didn't have
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  Speaker 1: good reflector you know, yeah reflection, Yeah, then there could
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  Speaker 1: have been an accident. Not saying there would have been,
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  Speaker 1: but there could have been polls in front of me
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  Speaker 1: with very little margin of error and then looks up
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  Speaker 1: in their rear view mirror and is angry that I'm
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  Speaker 1: tailing them.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, sounds about right, said about right. I don't
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  Speaker 6: know that that is.
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  Speaker 7: Not exclusive to Seattle. Honestly, that is a very Seattle thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think that it is.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that it's also like, Okay, you go
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  Speaker 1: to Arizona and I spent fifteen years in Arizona, and
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  Speaker 1: you get on the one oh one, you might get
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  Speaker 1: run over by somebody driving one hundred and seventy five
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  Speaker 1: miles prour. It's a little bit of a dangerous roadway.
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  Speaker 1: And if you've never been on that road before and
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  Speaker 1: you don't know what to expect, you could be and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can get the scared out of you. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but here like as of late, Like my issue has
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  Speaker 1: been the person that there's not enough room for you
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  Speaker 1: to move over, but you did it anyway without any indication,
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  Speaker 1: and then in the midst of doing it, you decided
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  Speaker 1: to put your turn signal on to let me know
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  Speaker 1: that you doing it.
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  Speaker 3: It was too late.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't prepare, I couldn't back off to let you in.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't speed up so that you knew there's not enough.
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  Speaker 7: Space there, and somehow yet it's your responsibility to let
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  Speaker 7: them run.
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  Speaker 1: They clearly this person did not look to see if
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  Speaker 1: anyone was behind them or to the side right, and
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  Speaker 1: then they got over there and like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: there's somebody behind me. What a jerk, he's tailing me.
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  Speaker 1: I had that.
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  Speaker 3: Experience this week.
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  Speaker 6: That sounds super fun.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're really you're really marching up the list. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, whoever that guy is that guy there's not
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  Speaker 1: enough space, but he pulls in front of you anyway,
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  Speaker 1: and then is angry that you're tailing them. That guy
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  Speaker 1: is not number one on the list, but he's pretty
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  Speaker 1: close these days.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's my list as long when it comes to drivers, honestly,
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  Speaker 7: and I love the people that do that. And then yeah,
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  Speaker 7: you're at fault somehow and they'll end up flipping you
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  Speaker 7: off and you're like.
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  Speaker 6: Wait, what am I?
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  Speaker 7: How am I now getting a middle finger after I'm
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  Speaker 7: literally just here on the road and you're the one
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  Speaker 7: being a turred. And there was a guy that was
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  Speaker 7: I was trying I get a mercer after work one day,
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  Speaker 7: and I know the express lanes only open at like
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  Speaker 7: eleven fifteen, so they weren't open, so it's metered, so
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  Speaker 7: I go to my meter. Well, this guy didn't want
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  Speaker 7: to be slowed down by the constraints of lights.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever was in front of them, right, they couldn't. Possibly,
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  Speaker 1: I'm too.
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  Speaker 7: Good for this, right, And so I'm driving at a
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  Speaker 7: normal speed, ready to get on a freeway. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 7: he comes zooming up in the left lane like which
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  Speaker 7: is where the express lanes are, which then close, and
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  Speaker 7: then gets pissed that the express lanes are blocking him.
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  Speaker 7: So then he gets behind me and then I'm not
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  Speaker 7: going eighty on the ramp, so I'm the jerky. I
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  Speaker 7: was like how And then I end up feeling bad
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  Speaker 7: for I'm like, how do I feel bad?
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  Speaker 6: Or how am I irritated that I didn't even do anything?
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  Speaker 6: Wrong here.
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  Speaker 1: I think I do think it is a young person
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing. I don't know if they ever use
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  Speaker 1: their mirrors.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: There's just this I can't possibly stay here.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and so are ruining things for me like the
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  Speaker 6: rest of us.
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  Speaker 1: Don't want to go faster and have a clearer path too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but there's this element and that's what I ran into today.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to stay here. Everything else be damned.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get over and then, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe this jerk is so close behind me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that guy's listening. He might be a sports talk radular.
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  Speaker 1: We hope you keep listening.
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  Speaker 3: But you're that guy.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you are a turn.
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  Speaker 7: Just know and if you know, that's cool, you know what,
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  Speaker 7: you can keep being a turd.
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  Speaker 6: But don't then blame the other guy. Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 6: Just acknowledge, you know what. I realize. I drive like
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  Speaker 6: an a hole.
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  Speaker 3: That's it, that's it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, just don't make me feel bad that you drive
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  Speaker 6: like an a hole.
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  Speaker 1: Now, when we did pass and the fingers were exchanged
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  Speaker 1: and the lip reading was exchanged, he did back off
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  Speaker 1: and not whatever.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, didn't shoot you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't shoot me, and he didn't like want
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  Speaker 1: to keep the conversation going that really Yeah, So it
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  Speaker 1: was I mean, you do run the risk if you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be if you're gonna be me, that's situation.
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  Speaker 3: You do run the risk that you're going to run
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  Speaker 3: into road rage.
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  Speaker 7: Which is yeah again, which would have been somehow your
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  Speaker 7: fault that that guy has an anger problem.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, that happened today, and I know people can relate,
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  Speaker 1: so I shared.
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  Speaker 6: That all fired up already speaking of road rage.
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  Speaker 1: Brian wus got it too. He can't win on the road, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I get that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And last night he lost to the Miami Marlins, And
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's just a it's just obviously a major
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  Speaker 1: hurdle because he was not missing bats last night. He
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  Speaker 1: was not having like oh man, what bad luck? Like
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  Speaker 1: no you were. You go from nobody can touch you
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  Speaker 1: at home to your getting lit on the road.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then there have been some I'll take that back
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. I'll back a track a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: He's had some because this this to me, has been
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  Speaker 1: the bigger problem for Brian on the road is that
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  Speaker 1: one inning. I talked it up the last time to
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  Speaker 1: there's some psychological hurdle, and I believe that that is true.
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  Speaker 1: His stuff's no difference. His stuff might actually be a
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  Speaker 1: little bit better than it was a year ago. But
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  Speaker 1: there's obviously when he gets into some trouble on the road,
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  Speaker 1: he is expecting it to fall apart. I do believe
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  Speaker 1: that that is true. There's really no other explanation. Stuff's
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  Speaker 1: no different. The batting eye might be different, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not that much different. You can't just go from a
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  Speaker 1: sub to RA when you pitch at home to a
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  Speaker 1: seven RA when you pitch on the road, and it's
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  Speaker 1: stuff related, or at least entirely stuff related. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's more mental with him last night, he didn't have
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  Speaker 1: that one inning. He just kept giving up hits and
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  Speaker 1: was kind of fortunate to get out.
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  Speaker 3: Of there with his little damage, as was.
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  Speaker 1: Done by the Marlins last night. And so that set
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  Speaker 1: the table for the game, and I realized we came back,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is actually a good sign. Yeah, I agree,
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  Speaker 1: And we came back not just relying on the home
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  Speaker 1: run ball, and we caught a couple of breaks along
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  Speaker 1: the way and took advantage of them.
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  Speaker 6: And Cal had two doubles, which was great.
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  Speaker 1: Cal had two doubles. That's a tremendous sign that maybe
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  Speaker 1: he's getting going because we're gonna need him. That's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be the most important thing about the second half of
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  Speaker 1: the season is just getting Cal back to at least
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four cow even if we don't get twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Five col back.
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  Speaker 1: Ever, again, we at least won twenty twenty four colback
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  Speaker 1: and maybe we're starting to move in that direction. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: we'll get that in the second half. If we get that,
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  Speaker 1: the Mariners are going to be they're gonna pull away
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  Speaker 1: in this division. But certainly there were some good things,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean, it came down last night too, in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, Brian Woo's road struggles and then of course
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  Speaker 1: the ongoing struggles of this team to hit with runners
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  Speaker 1: in scoring position, because they squandered. Even though they scored
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  Speaker 1: five runs last night and came back from a significant
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  Speaker 1: deficit to do that, they still squandered many opportunities to
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  Speaker 1: add a run here, a run there.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of runs with the bases loaded, but at least.
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  Speaker 1: Getting one run out of that situation. You get one
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  Speaker 1: run out of that situation. You went in regulation, but
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  Speaker 1: you end up losing the game six to five. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I've thrown this out it
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  Speaker 1: I know it sounds outlandish. I mean, it shouldn't come
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  Speaker 1: to this again. We have a good problem that we
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  Speaker 1: have too many starting pitchers for too few of rotation spots.
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  Speaker 1: So we're all trying to think of a solution, and
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  Speaker 1: we're all trying to think a little bit outside the box.
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  Speaker 1: But as long as we're banging our head against the
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  Speaker 1: wall on this thing, and we don't want anyone to
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  Speaker 1: be shortened. I mean I threw this out two rounds
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  Speaker 1: ago in the rotation Brian his last road blow up.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you do pitch him at home and
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  Speaker 1: pitch Castillo on the road, and then Wu works out
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  Speaker 1: of relief.
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  Speaker 3: On the road.
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  Speaker 6: If stay warmed up.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean you don't want to ignore him.
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  Speaker 1: He's he's got a roster spot. But then he works
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  Speaker 1: out of his road woes coming out of the bullpen,
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  Speaker 1: and if he can fix those, then he immediately goes
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  Speaker 1: back into the starting rotation. But if we're going to
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  Speaker 1: try to invent piggyback situations and we want to go
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  Speaker 1: to six man rotations, which are keeping Logan Gilbert and
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  Speaker 1: Emerson Hancock and now George Kirby's on a roll. It's
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  Speaker 1: keeping them delayed from being able to contribute. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's the reason why you have five man rotations, because
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  Speaker 1: you want Trek Scouble to pitch every sixth game. Want
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  Speaker 1: you know, one and then one and one. You want
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  Speaker 1: only four games to be played in between his starts.
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  Speaker 1: So we're costing our better pitchers who are on a
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  Speaker 1: roll and aren't having road and home issues. We're costing
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  Speaker 1: them more starts. And so that's why I don't think
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  Speaker 1: the six man rotation is the solution, and it seems
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  Speaker 1: that the organization has realized that the piggyback's not the solution.
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  Speaker 1: So if as long as we're being creative, as long
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  Speaker 1: as we're just sitting here brainstorming and trying to think
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  Speaker 1: of ideas of how best to do this, I don't
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe we do kick the tires on.
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  Speaker 1: Brian wu and Luis Castillo are in the rotation, but
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  Speaker 1: Brian pitches the home games and Castillo starts the road games.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's the way it. We should try it coming
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  Speaker 1: out of the second half of the season, and of
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  Speaker 1: course after the All Star break, they're gonna reset with
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  Speaker 1: whatever plan. I mean, they're not gonna I would think
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  Speaker 1: they're not gonna keep experimenting into the second half. I
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  Speaker 1: would think they're gonna use the All Star break to
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  Speaker 1: say this is what we're going with going forward, bottom line,
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  Speaker 1: final answer. And so as long as we're sitting here
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  Speaker 1: discussing ideas on how to do this and we're trying
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  Speaker 1: to get inventive, I mean, I don't I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's just a fluke. I think it's a trend. He
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  Speaker 1: can't pitch on the road as well as he pitches
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  Speaker 1: at home. Should we entertain the possibility of creatively doing
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  Speaker 1: this until Brian Wu proves I don't have road issues anymore.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't think it's a bad idea because
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  Speaker 7: at this point, you, as you said, you've tried everything right,
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  Speaker 7: and if the six man rotation isn't working for people,
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  Speaker 7: although it does seem that they're pitching well now three
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  Speaker 7: times through the six man lately, so I don't know,
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  Speaker 7: Maybe it is working even though we're not getting to
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  Speaker 7: see some of these guys as often. Maybe it is
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  Speaker 7: the answer, But I my only concern with that would
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  Speaker 7: be coming out of the All Star break, you just said,
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  Speaker 7: you know you want you don't want to be experimenting anymore.
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  Speaker 6: You want to kind of have a plan. And then
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  Speaker 6: that feels like it.
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  Speaker 7: Would almost still be an experiment, but it's one that
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  Speaker 7: I would be willing to try well.
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  Speaker 1: And let me let's clear everything off the table. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I've said at the beginning of all of this, when
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  Speaker 1: Bryce Miller got activated, and that's the beginning of all
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  Speaker 1: of yes, when Bryce Miller got activated and we realized
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  Speaker 1: we can't take Emerson Hancock out of the starting rotation,
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  Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's the that's the seed that grew
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  Speaker 1: into this tree. And so Miller's proven, no, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: only one of the best.
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  Speaker 3: Of you, I might be the best of you.
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  Speaker 1: Hancock's probably been an All Star. Gilbert's on fire right now.
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  Speaker 1: And George, I mean George statistically is the is though
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  Speaker 1: he and Luis are the weak links. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: George is averaging allowing a two seventy nine batting average against.
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  Speaker 1: That's not good. That's not good for someone of his talent,
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  Speaker 1: but you have seen him turn it around here. As
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  Speaker 1: of late, he has been described as our most talented
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  Speaker 1: pitcher for years now, and if he is starting to
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  Speaker 1: figure it out, you don't want to mess with that.
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  Speaker 1: But Brian wu has also been spectacular the last two years,
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  Speaker 1: pitch for pitch, inning for inning. He's been our best
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  Speaker 1: pitcher the last two seasons, and yet this year he's
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  Speaker 1: having this road issue. So I mean, I think that
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  Speaker 1: if we clear all the gunk away and we are
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  Speaker 1: just looking for the best five starting pitchers, Castillo's on
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  Speaker 1: the out looking on the outside looking in, even.
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  Speaker 6: Though he has been yet much better.
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  Speaker 3: He has been much better as of late.
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  Speaker 1: But if we do want to just say, hey, we
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  Speaker 1: traditionally go with a five man rotation, we want to
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  Speaker 1: go with a five man rotation. We're done playing gimmicks,
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  Speaker 1: We're done doing goofy experimental stuff like even the suggestion
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  Speaker 1: that I've made, then you just have to have the
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  Speaker 1: honest conversation with him. He's our sixth best starter on
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  Speaker 1: our major league roster. I think he's the seventh best
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  Speaker 1: starter in the organization, maybe the eighth, but to me
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  Speaker 1: it would be it would be kind of strange to
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  Speaker 1: get through all of this and then just arrive at
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  Speaker 1: the same conclusion we had at the beginning of it,
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  Speaker 1: and that is that Luis Castillo is our sixth best starter,
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  Speaker 1: and if we're going to go to a five man rotation,
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  Speaker 1: the sixth best starter is the guy that's going to
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  Speaker 1: be moved to the bullpen. And maybe that's what we
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  Speaker 1: learned during the All Star break. Maybe we come out
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  Speaker 1: of the gates and that's exactly what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like an awful lot of fiery hoops to
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  Speaker 1: jump through to arrive at the same conclusion we kind
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  Speaker 1: of realized at the beginning of Bryce Miller's activation.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and at the same time, you still haven't solved
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  Speaker 7: Brian Wu's road issues.
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  Speaker 3: And you still haven't solved that, yeah, exactly.
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, So yeah, it is.
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: I mean I was optimistic going into last night, like
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: maybe now after that last game, I mean, he was
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: really dominant. Maybe something's going to carry over and it
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: wasn't as bad and he didn't have one blow up
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: any but he just isn't. It's just still so different
• 17:02
  Speaker 7: than what we're seeing at home. And I just wish
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: we had wish there was an answer, I really do.
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: And then as far as the sixth man to five
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: man rotation, Yeah, it would be frustrating to have gone
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: through two and a half months of piggyback sixth man,
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: piggyback six man, someone's got to go to the bullpen.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: What's happening.
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: We're going to piggyback and now we're not going to
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: piggyback on the day of all of it too yet
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: to say, all right, well, yeah, what we thought two
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: and a half months ago, and that's actually probably.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: What we're going to do. Yeah, yeah, And I don't
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: have a problem with that. I think that's that's probably
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: better than well, I know it is. It's better than
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: what I'm throwing out this morning about Wu becomes a
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: home Warrior.
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: But at least I like that because it solves the
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: road issue.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: It is an idea.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a thought, right, and as long as we're
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: trying to be creative and we don't want to hurt
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Luis's feelings, then maybe it's something that you do try
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: coming out of the second half.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: And it gives WU some relief. So okay, I can
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: just figure he's not gonna like it.
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: No, I don't think so, but I think that he's
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: I don't think he's gonna be happy about it, like oh,
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: now nobody trusts me on the road, but maybe it
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: gives him some time to get over whatever it is
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: on the road. Well, to me, pitch more angry at home, sure,
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: at this.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Professional baseball And to me, that's a little more cut
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and dry, Like I don't know if I'm if I'm
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: managing a team, I'm being a little more cut and dry.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like sitting down and I'm just saying, hey, we
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: have a five man rotation and right now you're the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: sixth best guy. Yeah, and we love you.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: And if it was different.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Circumstances, that'd be different circumstances. And I'd also I don't
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and Brian Wu's got to solve.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: These road issues.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: We could really use got him Brian Wu going forward.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: And yet that was not a good version of him
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: last night. It wasn't just one ugly inning. No, he
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: was not sharp at any point during that outing.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: Well and last night and watching the broadcast too, when
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: they say when they're like, oh, he's just struggling with
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: his command, and his next pitch is a wild pitch
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: that scores a run, it's like it just piled on.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: And for the record, I did not have a problem
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: with Dan Wilson's decisions last night with the bullpen. Maybe
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: there are a couple things I would have done differently,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: but I think that is nitpicking. I think he did
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: what I probably would have done. Maybe I would have
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: done a couple things a little bit differently, But I
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: did not think that Dan's pitching decisions cost us the
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: game last No, Yeah, all right, we'll probably talk about
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: that more later on in the show as well. Let's
• 19:29
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• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Mspadoo Miami six to five at ten innings last night.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: We'll cover the details in Mariners Morning after here in
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a matter of minutes, same two teams play today at
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the exact same time. First pitch at three point forty
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: in South Beach, George Kirby versus right hander Tyler Phillips.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Mariner's notes, Dom can Zung was notified you're an everyday
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: player now. They are kind of doing the things that
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: I said to do. A long time ago. Also, All
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Star replacements were named, a lot of them in the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: National League. Some guys injured, some guys just don't want
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to pitch in the All Star Game.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'll ever understand.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: That, but several of them were named yesterday All Star replacements.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: But on the National League side, I mean, there's still
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: a very good chance we're gonna have another Mariner or
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: two added to the roster because of injury decisions and
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: also just guys that the calendar doesn't work out and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: they don't want to pitch on Tuesday. So we'll see.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling we're gonna have more than Randy
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Rose Arena representing the team on Tuesday. MLB Draft is
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: just three days away. World Cup action yesterday again created
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of buzz everywhere Argentine. It comes down from
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: two nil, which is like coming down back from a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: seventy two point deficit in the NBA, and the fourth
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: quarter seventy two it really is in the fourth quarter.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: Nonetheless, it was baffling watching that game. We're listening to
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: that game, I should say, I was like, wait, what
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: is happening? Can't imagine how much Anders was freaking.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Out Andrews Well, he soiled his pants yesterday and so
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: he's cleaned up. We're gonna have him on today at
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: nine o'clock. He smells much better, smells like a daisy now,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: so we'll have him on at nine o'clock today. We'll
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: also talk about Team USA looking forward to next.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: World Cup again.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Wimbledon continues, finals will be this weekend. We remain on
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Lebron watch. He still hasn't chosen his next team. That's
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the big story in the NBA, and maybe the big
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: story in the NHL is Shane Wright. Watch as the
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Kraken have made it pretty clear they're trying to trade him.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Shane Wright and his agent have made it pretty clear
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: he wants out, and yet how is that going come together?
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: We will ask our own guy Ian Finest today at
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: seven oh five, But Mariners morning after is next. We'll
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: go through the details of last night's lost to the Marlins.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Right here au Chuck and Buck Sports Radio ninety three
• 22:11
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• 22:20
  Speaker 8: Derek Jones World Place Way outside Naylor sprinting home. Heck
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: Bob and the Murders take the lead on an eighth
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: in eight, two out, two strike wild pitch the Mariner's
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: lead for the first time tonight five four.
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: In the eighth seven o'clock hour here on this Wednesday.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Great to have you with us, Chuck Howell and Ashley
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Ryan with you coming up in a moment more on
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the Mariners pitching rotation going forward. Also, we get Reckless
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: at breakfast on this Wednesday at seven forty five and
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Ian Fornessa is going to join us here in a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: matter of moments. But we began the hour with headlines
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  Speaker 1: for goodness sake. Mariners in Miami last night, they took
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: their talents to South Beach is what they did.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: They did.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: They took on a believe it or not hot Marlins
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: team that actually pitches. It's weird and runs and wins
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and so different kind of matchup last night in Miami
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: for the MS and it was a battle back and forth,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: with Miami eventually winning in ten innings six to five,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the final score a walk off from Jacob Marcy off
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: of Michael Rucker, the fifth relief pitcher that Dan Wilson
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: had to use last night because Brian Wu once again
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: struggled on the road, allowing four runs over five innings,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and he was removed from the game before the sixth innings.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: So the Mariners fall to forty seven and forty five
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: on the year, still in first place, but just a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: half game up on the Texas Rangers. Same two teams
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: will match up tonight this afternoon for US in Miami
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: three forty. First pitch, it'll be George Kirby against right
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: hander Tyler Phillips, who has had a pretty decent season,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: but his eras climbed like two full runs in the
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: last month, so he started to get exposed a little bit.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And he's right handed, which is always great news for US.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Thanks Mariners TV with the highlight provided from the game
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: last night against six to five Marlins over the Mariners.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: World Cup Argentina one in stunning come from behind fashion.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Looked like they were going to fall to Egypt two
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: to nil late in the second half, but Lionel Messi
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: scored twice, a VAAR review allowed a goal and Argentina
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: stormback to keep their World Cup hopes alive by defeating
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Egypt three to two. Yesterday, also Switzerland advanced. They played
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to a nil Mills score, they went to penalty kicks
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and Switzerland ends up winning on penalty kicks and they
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: advanced to the round of eight as well, which will
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: renew itself tomorrow. So the first match in the Round
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: of eight will take place tomorrow. Your World Cup coverage
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: being provided here in town by US Sports Radio ninety
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: three point three KJRFM. Wimbledon continues, finals will be this weekend.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Also we are on Lebron watch some of this anyway
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: as we wait to find out where the legend will
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: land most likely.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: To finish his career.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Seems to be the next big domino to fall in
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the NBA offseason and as far as the NHL off season,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: there might be bigger moves that are made this offseason.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: But there's nothing really more interesting to talk about coast
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to coast, continent to continent when it comes to the
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: National Hockey League than the situation. And we have here
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: in town with a former top draft pick, Shane Wright,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: and joining us now to discuss that and many other things.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Oh he is the uh.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: He is the wonderful uh Ian furness. I was trying
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: to remember what uh Pat Day was called you uh
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: in your promo and I couldn't remember it right off
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the top of my head. You probably know it's every
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: single day. What was what's the line?
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: Man, Maybe absolutly can find it, because I can't.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: I heard every day that.
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: You the mild manner.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Mild manners, and was slightly.
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: Mild mannered and something I can't think.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: There every day. It's her two things.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: One it's early and two in that place, I've already
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: got my headsets off and I'm out the door, so.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna find it right.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Mildly objectionable.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think that's what it is.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Well, probably mildly objectionable. I guess that's not a bad thing.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: We all are, Yeah, we all are.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how we got into this business. Somebody told
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: us you're mildly objectionable. Like, well, I'm gonna be a
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: talk show host. Well there's a there's a guy. There's
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: a guy on from three to seven. That's a lot
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: more than mildly objectionable. But we'll leave that at that.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: The objectionable David Softy.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Mates right here, Yes, exactly exactly.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. We do appreciate it,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: appreciate you getting up with us here early this morning.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And I mean we've been speculating after the weekend news
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: about Shane Wright and the Crack and perhaps being at
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: an impasse. They may be forced to move him at
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: this point. But I know that you know, more so
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: we lean on you. What is it that you know
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: about Shane Wright and the Crack and their relationship right now?
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Well, obviously there's there's an issue there the agent getting
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: involved and basically you know, going to the team and saying,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: you know, trade me right now. And and you know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: we live in a different world right now in the
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: NHL than we've ever seen. This this era of player empowerment,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: chuck like, that's that doesn't exist in any other sport.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: I think I believe baseball is number two in terms
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: of you know, trade movement protection in their contracts.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: And it's not even close.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, the majority of NHL players and almost
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: everybody who's on a second contract has trade protection and
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: the ability to kind of force their way where they
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: want to go. You know, I think baseball has a
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: handful of guys, NBA has like four, and the NFL
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: has like a couple, and it's but the NHL, it's
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: this thing that these guys that all of a sudden
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: are trying to force their way out. Dylan lark In,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: the captain the Detroit Red Wings, it's got five years
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: left on his contract. I want out trade me. Zach Lorensky.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: You know, given Columbus, who's the best defense from the
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: League North Trophy winner, I'm, you know, giving Columbus ultimatums.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Jason Robertson forcing his way not to Seattle, but also
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: not to Saint Louis in other places. It's it's all
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: this Shane writes on his first contract, first of all.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: But there's obviously an impast there's always there's obviously something
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: there that that is causing a rift. I can tell
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: you this the crack, and we're well aware that the
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: agent was going to go to the Adam schefter of
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: the NHL, Elliott Friedman, and say, hey, you know, like
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: they cracking have agreed to trade me and to trade
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Shane in the off season. Well they haven't they There's
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: no GM in a sport that would you know, tell somebody, yeah,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: we one hundred percent are going to trade you. You take
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: all the leverage off the table. Plus he's still a
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: young player. Now we could talk about all the issues
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: and all that. But I can tell you this that
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: the story that came out was wrong, Like it was
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent wrong. They did not. They did not
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: as an organization. Jason Bottle did not go and say, yeah,
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: well he did not tell the agent, Yes, I guarantee
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: you that we're going to trade you this year. That
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: was the first story that came out. Then they kind
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: of slow played it over the weekend and well, maybe
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: he didn't really say that, and it's kind of Then
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: they did a podcast and well maybe it's not. Well, no,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: it never was that, you know, but they were aware
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: was going to come out.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Agents in the NHL they do.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: They love to go to media guys and you know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: tell them one thing, and you know, the team's not
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: going to react. You know how GM's work checked, they're
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: not going to react to that, to every sound bite
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: and every alleged report. But you know, Shane could get
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: traded and it wouldn't surprise me, and maybe in a
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: sense it would be the best thing for the player
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: and for the team. But they're not just going to
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: trade them to trade them and not get some value
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: in return for a guy who's only going into his
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: third full season in the NHL.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Well, there is then a scenario where he could still
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: remain on the team, because I think it's kind of
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: being forecasted as there's that they're going to move him.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: There's been an agreement behind the scenes that they're going
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: to move him. But you're telling us that there's still
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: a chance that he'll still be a member of this
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: team next year.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a chance. Absolutely.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like there's no agreement to move him. I'll just
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: tell I think that's the first thing to know. Does
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: that mean they're not going to move them one hundred percent?
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Not they could, They might, you know, And the NHL
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: is kind of a second phase, so to speak, kind
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: of a quieter time but much like any NFL free agency,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: you know, we have that first wave that comes in
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: the first forty eight hours and you know from you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: the tampering period, the legal tampering to the actual signings,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: and then it quiets down and that's when guys like
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: John Schneider make all their moves, and you know, in
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: that second wave and things like that, we're kind of
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: in that timeframe right now. It's quieted down, but there's
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: still a lot of stuff out there. There's a lot
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: of players. They've got to figure out what's going on
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: in Anaheim with Leo Carlson, and they got to figure
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: out what's going on with Jason Roberts and still in Dallas,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: and you know, in Dallas had Zach Larnsky say no
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: to them. You know, I mean it's been Listen. I
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: can't sit here and say it hasn't been a rough
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: offseason for the Kraken. It has been like, it has
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: not been a fun off season for this team, not
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: by their own doing.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: It's just kind of this world that we're living in
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: right now.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: And until they take that next step, and it's chicken
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: or the egg, Like, how do you get a superstar? Well,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: you pay them to come here. Well, how do you
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: get them to come here? Well, you got to convince
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: him you can win. Well, how do you win? Well,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: you superstars? Right, Like, it's kind of this vicious circle.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: But you know, they they're in a they're in a
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: little bit of a rough spot in terms of perception
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: around the league. But yeah, there's been no agreement and
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: he could certainly come back, and maybe he comes back
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: and takes a step forward. I mean, he took a
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: massive step back last season, Like there's.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: No doubt about that.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: And you know it's a big thing now to blame
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: the team and player development and all those things.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: God, I don't know, at what time, at what point.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Do players become somewhat culpable for their own performance?
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Like a what like we could blame coaches and we
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: could throw out a term like player development all you want.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, your shooting percentage went down significantly, your face
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: off percentage went down significantly, and you're a center iceman
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: you have.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: To take face offs.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Your ice time went down a little bit because you
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: didn't earn much, but only went down twelve sixteen seconds
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: a game per average is what your is what your
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: your your ice time went down during the game. But
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: yet your production went down seventeen points from the previous year,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: and you know, seven fewer goals and ten fewer assists.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: At what point is it on you? You know, like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: at what point is that a you problem?
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: And I think you know, Chuck, we talked about this yesterday,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: and you played a lot of baseball growing up, and
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: you probably you probably saw this. I wonder and I'm
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: just gonna throw this out there. I just this is
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: just me, and I hope the kid ends up taking
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: a massive step forward. I hope it's here. By all accounts,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: he works really hard behind the scenes, you know, I know,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: strength staff likes him and all that. He does a
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: good job there. So I hope he takes that next step,
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: and I hope he starts to fulfill the promise of being,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: you know, a top four draft pick and all those things.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: He also, at the age of fifteen, got a special
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: exemption to play, you know, major junior in the Ontario
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Hockey League, which normally you don't play until you're sixteen.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: The most kids don't play that LEAKU until you're seventeen,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: eighteen nineteen. He got a special exemption to play at fifteen,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: played in the league at fifteen and sixteen, They had
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: COVID year and all that. I just want, do we
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: not know that kid that peaked in seventh or eighth grade?
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Ye? Do we not all remember that kid? Yeah?
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: N there you go like you're dominating in middle school
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: and then high school hit It's like what happened?
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: I stopped growing right and I won. Hockey has a
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: problem with.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: This, and it's just because of how young the draft is.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've been around the sport forever. I mean
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: I started working in Seattle with the t Birds and
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: then the Tricity Americans. And I can't tell you how many
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: kids got drafted at the age of seventeen. They're going
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: to be a camp miss or a first round I mean,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: first round picks in the NHL, much like Baseball, don't
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: pan out because why we're drafting kids at seventeen and
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: stuff and eighteen?
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: And I maybe he just peaked.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Early and this is who he is and what we
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: thought he was going to be when he was fifteen
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: and sixteen? Is is not it? That could be the
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: case too. I don't know, but I'm just throwing that
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: out there because isn't that the problem with the bait?
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Isn't that why baseball is looking at maybe not drafting
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: kids until they're nineteen and twenty.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Now, Well, if I would push back on you a
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: little bit, because I'm not sure. I'm certainly not disagreeing
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: with you, But I just recall Shane Wright at the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: end of two seasons ago being sort of the the
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: element of excitement for the organization. They obviously it didn't
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs, and everybody was disappointed. But Shane Wright
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: looked like he moved to the next level. And then
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: you change head coaches and you bring in Lane Lambert
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and it just never seemed like it clicked between the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: two of them. I mean, I had vivid conversations with
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: many people about Shane Wright's going to be our leading
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: scorer this past year, and then he ended up on
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the what third fourth line by the end of the season.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So something happened in Shane Wright's development and what Lane
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Lambert saw was valuable to this team. What was the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: breakdown between those two? What is the disconnect between coach
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and player here?
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: And that's and that's that's a million dollar question, right
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: because yeah, he had nineteen goals his true rookie season
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: you're referring to. He had nineteen goals and twenty five assists,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: and he seems like an upward trend. I mean, I
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: remember how disappointed I was just for him that he
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: didn't get to twenty.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Like that.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Twenty goal is kind of a magic mark in the NHL,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: and kind of like twenty home run.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: It's not what it used to be.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: You know, it's now higher, but still you get twenty
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: as a as a kid. That's awesome, right, I can
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: get to that point and then he takes the step back.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Part of it is, I just talked about shooting percentage.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: I mean the shooting percentage went down significantly. You know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: he was scoring at a twenty point nine or eight,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: which is really good, and then it was twelve point four.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Last year he was on the second power plead, and
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: now his ice time wasn't great. Like if you just
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: look at the rankings of ice time, he's like, I
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: think he's nineteenth on the.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: Team in ice time.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Part of that is because he doesn't kill penalties, and
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: that's not a strength of his in the defensive zone.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Lane is a guy that you better play in the
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: defensive zone, you better play well, and you better play
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: to his system. And I think, you know, so that's
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: there if you look at a disconnect, that might be
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: where it starts. Not to say that, you know, they
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: drafted this guy to be a penalty killer, but but
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: you know, if he's not penalty killing, so the ice
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: time is going to go down a little bit. But
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: he's on the second power play unit. You're right, he
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: was a third line guy for the most part. I
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: think after his rookie season We're thinking, Wow, Matty Venires
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: is your first line center, and this guy's your second
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: line center, and Sanler Stevens and slots into that third
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: center role and things are great. That didn't happen, I think,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: and most people believe that there was a pretty significant
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: upgrade in coaching from Dan Biosma to Leyne Lambert.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to go with that.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, God, famously, there was a couple of guys
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: that are still here, that are veterans, well respected veterans
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: that were just obviously they were muttering behind the scenes
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: all the time with Biosma, what are we doing. I
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: have no idea what system we're running. It's just they
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: were just it was close. I could say it now
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: because he's gone to Pittsburgh. Ron Francis told.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Me that once.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: He's like, I don't know what we're doing. I have
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: no idea what biosma. I have no idea what we're doing,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: no idea what we're running, no idea what's going on.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: That's why they made a coaching change, and they brought
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: in a guy very structured that knows he doesn't have
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Connor McDavid or Nathan McKinnon. And so how are we
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: gonna win games? Well, we're gonna have to try to
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: grind it out a little bit. We've got to play
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: very responsible in our own end and things like that,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: and and that, and that certainly could be where it disconnect.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Happens with a young player that's coming off a strong
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: rookie season and then you know, it takes a step back.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: Because it's it's a whole different world that he's.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Living in right now. So you know, and there might
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: be both sides maybe to blame. I'm just gonna just
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: say this is a coach that had a team that
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: was basically the same team as a year before that
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: was out of the playoffs by December. He had him
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs going to the Olympic break before things
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: kind of fell apart down the stretch. So I'm not
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: going to put the blame on Lane as much. And
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: and again I don't even put blame on Shane. It
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: just it didn't work. You know, sometimes agents need to
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: keep their mouth shut, you know, and just but we
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: but we live in a world in the NHL where
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: that's not the case.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: And like I said, it's the it's.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: The era of player empowerment across the League. I mean,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: there's there's everybody wants to check. This is the oddest
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: thing of all. As the Mariners are in Miami and
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: going to Tampa next right, and we're watching the game.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: We're at at dinner last night, my son and my
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: wife and his girlfriend. I'm and the Marria games on
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: shout out to the new far Eli's location in Eden Cloud,
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: by the way, cool place, and all these great TVs
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: were watching the game, and Keeper looks at me and goes, goy,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: why is nobody there? They must be awfulors is on
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: the Marlins Offla, going no, actually they're really good, Like
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: they're the hottest.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Team in baseball right now. He's like, God, nobody's there,
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: And I go, yeah, nobody cares. They have Tampa Bay.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Nobody cares.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: And then I'm thinking to myself, how different is the
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: NHL because every player wants to go to Tampa Bay
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: and Miami and those rinks are packed every single night.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what kind of world we're living
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: in right now, Chuck, I really don't. It's very confusing
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: to this old man here.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: I can't figure it out.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a winter sport. They want to be
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: where it's warm, and then during they don't want to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: be there in the summer.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I think that's the I think that's the answer.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's palm trees and no tax and we want
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: to be in Miami, we want to be in Tampa,
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: or we want to be in Vegas, as simple as that,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: all right.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: In our last minute here, Yeah, you have to have
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: somebody in mind that realistically, Shane Wright could fetch in
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: a trade. What is the what's the trade that Ian
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Furness would like to see the organization pull off involving
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Shane Wright.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I'm honestly the last person asked with that guy. I
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: don't gonna do that with the NFL because I and
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: here's why, Because we'll get to this. We'll get to
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: this with baseball here soon too. You'll you're good at that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: You'll tell us who the Murder should make a move for.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: There's so many players. I can't keep track because half
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: the time I don't know who's gonna come here.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: I just think it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Maybe they think, and I don't think they would say
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: this publicly. Maybe they think, hey, listen, we've got JK
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: O'Brian a year away. He's going to be in the
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: hl this season. He's a center Iceman Oscar Fitskermolgard played
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: in the Olympics last season and we played here. He
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: played well. The coach just has to commit to playing him.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Maybe a trade Shane Wright for a scoring winger, a
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: young like they got with Samiskevitch, the kid out out
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: of Florida. That makes him a better hockey team, by
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: the way, and he's going to be on the line
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: more than likely. With Matty Veneers and Bobby McMahon, that
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: line will be build with speed like this team's never
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: had before. Jared McCann's a second line guy. With Jordan Eberley,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: who's that second line center, Maybe it ends up being
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Channler Stevenson. Then your third line center is a young
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: you know as an Oscar Fisker Muleguard with a Coppocco
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: who knows. Maybe Jacobrien gets up here at some point
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: this season, and you go find a winger. They need
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: to find a finisher. They need to find a guy
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: that can finish and score. They got enough Finland guys,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: they got Coppo Cocco told him the stup back, but
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: they need to find guys who can finish, score, put
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: the puck in the net. And so if they are
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: going to move him, that's what I want to see
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: him do. Go find a young guy that's that's probably
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: kind of like Samuskevitch, maybe maybe stuck behind somebody, you know,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: like depth chart wise again, you know, a team that's
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: that's really loaded right now, like Miami, like Florida was,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: And find a guy that can score put the puck
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: in the net, because outside of Bobby McMahon and Jared McCann,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: they don't have guys that are true great finishers that
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: put the puck in the net. They got a lot
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: of guys that can create, they don't necessarily have a.
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: Lot of guys that can put the puck in the
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: net at the end of the day. So that's what
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: I'd like to see him do.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: If they moved the kid, I'd kind of and maybe
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: the ship has sailed, Chuck. Maybe it's just sailed. But
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: there's a part of me that says, my god, he
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: just turned twenty one in January, like maybe for sure,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: what's there? You know, I mean, I I gave you
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: the theory of the young guys that that it's twenty two.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: My apology is actually twenty two.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: But you know, maybe he did peek early and that's
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: just what it is. But maybe we there's something still
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: there and it can figured out along the way and
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: and uh and we'll see. But uh, yeah, it's it's
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: it's the it's the summer of drama here in Seattle.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: There's no doubt about that.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going to scour the rosters now for a finish finisher.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm going to spend my afternoon doing to
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: find a finish finisher.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: They had one going into a contract, hear name, Elie
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: told and he took a massive step back too, So
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know they had a finish finisher, but he
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe there's a reason.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Nashville cut him a couple of years ago. So we'll see.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: All right, man, Well, thank you very much. Anything going
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: on on the show that has to be reported right now?
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: Nothing, nothing that has to be reported.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: No, we're gonna be the only thing I can confirm is.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: We're gonna be on the air at noon. Confirm that great.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, barring something unforeseen like you know, shutting the
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: station down like they did to my friends of Vancouver yesterday.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: But I'll tuy that we're gonna be on the air
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: at noon.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: So yeah, A marginally objectionable, marginally objectionable, mild mannered and
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: marginally objectionable.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: I now argue I think both. I think both. I
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: think both of those will giving me way too much credit.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: But I'll take it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: That's good.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: All right, Thank you, sir, appreciate it.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Take care, see you guys.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: All right, infnests joining us right here on Chuck and
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Buck in the morning. Coming up next. All right, we're
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: almost to the All Star break. We've tried three different
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: ways to set this pitching rotation, so how are we
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: going to set it?
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Coming out of the All Star break, we'll talk about
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: a next Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ r
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: f M. All right, Mariners lose to the Marlins last
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: night and ten inning, six to five, and once again
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Brian wu has struggles on the road. He wasn't sharp
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: really at any time during the game. It wasn't like
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: one inning cost him last night. He was pretty much
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: allowing two plus hits every single inning against the Marlins
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and ended up leaving the game trailing having allowed four
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: runs over the course of five innings. So how does
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: that contribute to the ongoing conversation convoluted conversation about how
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: this organization is going to set it's pitching rotation going forward.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: That's what we're going to discuss right now.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I brought it up to Ryan Healey yesterday.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: You know of Mariner's TV fame, former Mariner, Yeah, joins
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: us every Tuesday at nine o'clock.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that guy always has.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: A shot or two in my physical appearance.
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah that guy.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, even though I've got all my original
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: teeth in my.
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: Head, right yep, yeah yeah, think about.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: That the next time you pass judgment Healey, Well, he broadly.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, then his argument would be, well, I don't
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: have all the teeth in my head because of a
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: major league baseball career.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you might get you there.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know though, Uh pretty, it's pretty distracting when
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I have to interview you have to look at those
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: fake choppers. See Anyway, Healey on with us yesterday and
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I asked him, when we come out of this All
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Star break, how are you going to how would you
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: set this pitching rotation?
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: I think that's the million dollar question right now. To
• 45:37
  Speaker 11: talk in the fact that the Mariners are almost they
• 45:40
  Speaker 11: were amost combating themselves in the media with the answers
• 45:43
  Speaker 11: they're giving, and then they're not lining up with the
• 45:45
  Speaker 11: action that they're taking. It's almost like they can't figure
• 45:47
  Speaker 11: out what direction they want to go. And look, I
• 45:49
  Speaker 11: understand it. It's a conundrum and they've what's been clear
• 45:53
  Speaker 11: to me, I guess what I can say, it's been
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: clear to me that the piggyback is not the direction
• 45:56
  Speaker 11: they want to go because they've now skipped twice six man.
• 46:00
  Speaker 11: We saw what that looked like with the one really
• 46:03
  Speaker 11: long road trip, but was that just an anomaly because
• 46:05
  Speaker 11: of how many games were played and that's that in
• 46:07
  Speaker 11: that long stretch. Maybe they want to go back to
• 46:10
  Speaker 11: that and give it a shot. I mean, they're going
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: to have the All Star break and then they're going
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: to come back and have it looks like six straights,
• 46:16
  Speaker 11: so maybe they run the six men out there again.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: They have a day off.
• 46:19
  Speaker 11: It just looks like the schedule lines up where there's
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: quite a few off days kind of through August, which
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: I think will help. But also we have the trade
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: deadline coming up, so how are they planning on navigating this?
• 46:30
  Speaker 11: Because if they are going to move one of the starters.
• 46:33
  Speaker 11: They want to make sure they're still stretched out and
• 46:35
  Speaker 11: not you know, selling a reliever at that point. And
• 46:38
  Speaker 11: I think Kerry to Poto gave away a little bit
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: of as cards thereof it might be a buyer to
• 46:42
  Speaker 11: buy or market with teams out there that need specific pieces,
• 46:45
  Speaker 11: and we know the narrators have a surplus of one
• 46:47
  Speaker 11: specific thing that a lot of teams could use.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Ran Healey yesterday.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: If you want to hear the entire conversation, you can
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: do so at ninety three three kjar dot com. I
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: don't think they're going to trade a starting pitcher at
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: the trading deadline number one. They pretty much said that
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: every single time you think you have excess starting pitching
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: until one day you don't. They don't ever want to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: paint themselves in that corner. They're very bullish about this.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Plus the one guy I think they would trade, Luis Castillo,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: He is not exactly and a valuable trade commodity because
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: of the salary that he makes. So if you were
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: to make that trade, you're probably going to have to
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: take another salary on that's a longer salary, a bigger salary,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: not just maybe not a bigger salary, but a longer salary,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: a longer term, like a team that wants to rebuild
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: will take a year and a half of Castillo. If
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: you take three and a half years of Matt Chapman
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: off of our hands. Maybe that's a possibility, but it
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the way that they do business on
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: either front. They don't really want to trade starting pitching,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and number two, they don't really want to take on
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: worse contracts than the ones that.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: They already have.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: It's just not the way John Stanton likes to operate,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: nor does Jerry to Poto. So I don't think that's
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: going to happen between now and the trading deadline. But
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I opened myself up to be surprised. So how would
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: we start this rotation? Well, I don't think the Piggyback
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: was a terrible experiment, terrible idea. I think some good
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: things came from it, but in the end they were
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: so noncommittal to it that it became more of a
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: distraction than anything else. So I think the Piggyback has
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: been flushed by like Yesterday's heard. I think that it
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: is forever out of our lives. I don't think they're
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: going to go back to that. So that would be
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: my guess on that front. I also think the six
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: man rotation, even though it's been effective as of late,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure Dan Wilson is good enough with your
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: bullpen to operate with a shortened bullpen. And I also
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: don't think that's maximizing starting pitchers like Logan Gilbert, who's
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: on a roll right now, Bryce Miller, who we should
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: watch pitch in a five man rotation. We want him
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: to pitch as much as he possibly can. And I'd
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: argue Emerson Hancock has maintained that high caliber as well.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: So I think that a six man rotation has more
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: problems than it has solutions. And so my guess is,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: and this is where I land here on July eighth,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: and we are, by the way, that's Brian Wu's last start,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: like he's not gonna start again before the All Star break, right,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: So you come out of the All Star break and
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: we now know there's no setting the rotation out of
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the All Star break based on you know, preference of order.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: That just doesn't happen. We think it's going to happen,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't happen anymore. So what makes the most sense. Well,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you come out of the All Star break with six
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: home games. Brian Wu has road struggles. Obviously, we can't
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: just bottle.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Him up on the road and just put him in
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: street close.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: He's eventually got to figure that out, But for right now,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I'm certainly going to take advantage of how dominant he
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: is at home. So I got an All Star break,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going to set a five man rotation Brian who's
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: going to be my starter coming out of the gates
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: against the San Francisco Giants, so that he can throw.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Two home games on that home stand.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: And so he's going to get the Giants at the
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: front end, and he's going to get the Reds on
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: the back end. And then you go on the road,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: and eventually he's going to have to pitch on the road.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: But I at least get to start it off with
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: him two home games, play to his strength and avoid
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: his weakness for a little while in a four game
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: series with division rival Texas Rangers, who are right on
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: our heels. So I'd start with Wu, and then I'd
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: go Bryce Miller because he's got the most bullets left
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: in the chamber. Now that he's healthy, he's got the
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: least amount of damage done to him in terms of toil.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Plus he's also pitched the best of the entire group
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: every single time out. So I go Bryce Miller second,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: then I go Gilbert Kirby and Hancock. So obviously that
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: leaves somebody out. And this is the conversation that I
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: think has to be held, and we got to be honest,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: we gotta be grown ups.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: We got to be adults about this.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: We have a five man rotation, that's what we want
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: to commit to, and unfortunately, Luis, you're our sixth best starter.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: And this is not news to Luis Castile. They were
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: inventing ways to avoid starting him in the playoffs last year.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: They had plenty of times to start him, move him
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: up in the rotation. He was on the most rest,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: but we're still going to back him up. They were
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: avoiding it. This isn't new. They were avoiding that in
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: the postseason a year ago.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: So I get it.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: It's not an easy thing to say he wants to start.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: He'd start on almost in almost every starting rotation in
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, not ours. So I think we're going
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: to just end up at the end of this long
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: conversation about this at the exact place that we knew
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: we were at when it began, when Bryce Miller was activated,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: that Luis Castillo is our sixth best starter, and under
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: different circumstances, he'd absolutely be in our rotation. But in
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: this particular case, he's not going to be in our rotation,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: and we're going to figure out a relief role for him.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: And if it ends up being a short, high leverage role,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I think he could actually excel at that. He seems
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: to dominate that first inning when he comes out of
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: the bullpen. I think he could excel at that. If
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: we want a long reliever, that's not a bad idea either.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Last night probably would have been a good idea for
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: a long reliever. WU comes out trailing three runs, put
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Castillo in the game for four. If you come back, great,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: If not, you don't use your bullpen. I don't every
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: team used to have a long reliever. Teams don't have
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: it as much anymore. I don't think that's a terrible idea.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: But I also think that he could be activated again
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: into the starting rotation with an injury. But I think
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: that he's just a good candidate to move to the bullpen,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: and I don't think he's one of our top five starters.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: To me, that's pretty clear cut what needs to happen
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: coming out of the break.
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think you know, if people look at
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: a recency buyo. Yes, he has been much better, much
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: from started the piggyback, he's gotten much better. But I
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: do think that could be used positively in the bullpen.
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: I think what we've seen. Yeah, if it took you
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: all this to get to the conclusion in that way,
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: you're absolutely certain about it when you get there, that
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: Costillo should go to the bullpen, then okay, it was
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: all for something.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: It was all for something, that's the goal. I think
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: it could be a weapon.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: And if he's got the competitive fire and the competitive
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: spirit and the leadership qualities that you love so much,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: he'll embrace that.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Eventually.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: He's not gonna like it, but he's not gonna go
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: out there and just hit it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's just going to roll it to him.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I'm a relief pitcher now, and it sucks.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's not going to turn into that.
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: I would hope.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to turn into a gooey lump that
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't care about his teammates. If he's as great a
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: guy as you think he is, that those feelings are
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: worth protecting because you love him so much. He's probably
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: got qualities that you admire and love that will allow
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: him to embrace a different role on this team, anything
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: to help the squad. And he's got to be blind
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't realize that the five guys that he's
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: losing to in this competition are really damn good and
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: he likes them all and he thinks the world of
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: all of them. So I don't think this is as
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: hard as they're making it. I think we're going to
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: end up arriving at the exact same conclusion that we
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: knew we were at when Miller was activated, that Luis
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Castillo is our sixth best starter in our rotation right now,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: and we're going to have a five man rotation. We're
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: going to go back to a five man rotation to
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: start the second half, all right, We get Reckless at
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  Speaker 1: but I want to mention this first because this is
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: now like happening repeatedly, and I guess I'm a victim
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: of my own crime. You know, whenever sports talk show
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: hosts to exaggerate a point for emphasis throw themselves into
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: the I don't like doing it because it happens so frequently.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: It's cliche now, it's like it's something everybody does, and
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: it's kind of.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: A cheap way to make your point.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: And yet I've been called out on a couple of times,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: once by Ryan Healey when I said I think I'm
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: faster than Johnny Parda and he said, no, you're not.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, I actually would take
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: him up on that. I'll race him. I'll race him.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: And then Healey just sort of laughed at me with
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: his perfect new teeth and moved on from the conversation.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: We had another listener, He's a great listener, Steven, who
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: reached out to me on Twitter and he complimented. First
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: of all, he reached out to Jackson and Anders for
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: the great job they're doing with our soccer coverage, and
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: they are doing.
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: Yes, well done, gents.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very would And then Danny and Brad Evans, I mean,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: and Pete Fewing, I mean, you guys have been amazing
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: for us, So thank you all. But it's nice to
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: see our two little youngsters with their dimple faces coming
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: through for us during the World Cup coverage. But in
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: his in his text, it says, in light of Messy
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: missing a penalty kick, let's have KJR morning host Chuck Powell,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: who said on air even a kick I could make,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: make a kick. Yeah, I will take you up on this, Okay, Yeah,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I will take you up on the Johnny Parraider race
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: as well. And I don't know, I mean, I say
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: those things as a point of emphasis, like I'm trying
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: to exaggerate for emphasis, and I am. I was in
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: really great forty five year olds. I'll put myself about
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: against about any forty five year old out there when
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I moved up here fifty five year olds, I put
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: myself against about any ninety five year old now in
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: an athletic competition. Things have declined with this morning job.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: So I am. I am undoubtedly in the worst shape
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: of my entire life. And yet if I'm not going
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to arrange it, but just to compare and contrast, Okay,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I'll try to make a kick past a three foot
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: wide goalie. It's it's a penalty. It's a free kick,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: like a penalty kick. And I used to be. I
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: mean I might have been if they did the rankings
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: top three in America kickball players at age twelve. Good
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: for you, Yeah, I mean I had a real future.
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: That is some skill.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, the sport didn't have a future, you know,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: expired after grade school. But in terms of like sixth
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: grade abilities, there are some kickball leagues out there not
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: the same. No, okay, it's not the carrot I want
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: dangled in front of me. Had I been able to become,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: you know, a multi millionaire, the lebron of kickball, I.
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: Just stuck with.
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: Okay, fair, Yeah, that's fair.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: But you know, I know I've got some kicking abilities.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I haven't tested them since I was twelve, but I'll
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: take you up on it, Steven. I think I can
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: make that kick.
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: All right. Well, now we've got to figure out how
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: to do this. Steven, do the work.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I don't feel as confident now as I did saying
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: this ten years ago because I'm in the worst shape
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: of my entire life, and I don't know. My leg
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: might come completely off when I try to kick a
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: ball past a goalie. I mean, I might hit the
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: goalie in the eye with my kneecap because it has
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: been extracted from my body.
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: The risk I'm willing to take.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: But the ball will go in.
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: Even if the rest of your leg goes with it,
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: even if.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: The rest of my leg.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Goes with it.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: And I don't think I could beat Johnny Parreeda healee, you'
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: smart ass, But the point remains the same. He's got
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: to be the slowest runner. He was terrific for us,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: slowest runner in Major League Baseball, and he is painfully
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: slow for a professional athlete. So he might be faster
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: than me. But I would like to see how close
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: we would be, because I don't think it's going to
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: be as far off as what Ryan Healy.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: Thinks well, and I would like to see if it
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: made you realize, gosh, they look slower on TV and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: he or in in the game on the field, but
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: they are really actually faster than I thought they were.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: I'd be curious just to see what your thoughts were
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 7: after no.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: No chance, and I know he's I would what I
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: would find out. And a race against Johnny Pareda is
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: how slow I've gotten.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: That's all I'm going to find out.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it. I think I've watched enough baseball
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: to be able to tell who's fast and who's slow.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 7: And I think it's base it's fair to say that
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: he's slow. We've given him a lot of compliments. You
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: can give him one thing that you that he's not
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: great at.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not being mean. I'm just like, that's the truth.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: I'm a sports talk show of so that's just so.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't insert myself into the point of just pointing
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: out that Johnny Parida is really slow. But you know,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: because that's cheap. It's been done by talk show os
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: and it's just a cheap thing to say. But the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: point remains the same. He is painfully slow. He is
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: so slow. I might be faster than him. It's not
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: me bragging about my speed. It is me just illustrating
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: how slow I feel Johnny Pareda is. If anything, I'm
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: criticizing myself and my own athletic abilities.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's a combination, and that's fair. And
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 7: I'd like to see the race and i'd like to
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 7: see the kick. So let's figure out a way to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: make it happen.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this way, I can never say again like I
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: could make that kick.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, then we know for sure.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: Actually, Chuck, let's rewind to July of twenty twenty six.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: In fact, you cannot make that kick.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to be the wins Above replacement
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: stat I'm not even good enough to be a replacement. Okay,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I'm using myself to make the point exaggeratedly so right
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: that the penalty kick looks pretty easy for any one
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: of soccer abilities, and that compared to all other professional athletes,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Johnny Parreeda is painfully slow. That's the point that I'm making.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: If I inserted myself into it, it was just to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: exaggerate the point for emphasis. But now that you've called
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: me on, now that I've been called out twice, I
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: will take your challenge.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: I like it.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I will race Pareda and I will try to kick
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: a ball past a MLS goalie.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: There you go, Because I was going to say the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 7: two five three says you couldn't make a penalty kick
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: against a world class goalie in high pressure situation. Messi's
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: always struggled with pks. But you have to look at
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: the athletic ability of chucking, the athletic ability of Messi
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: and put him in front of a goalie.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: That's a little bit more.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Far as I can tell. All you gotta do is
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: I have a poker face. All you gotta do is
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: trick the guy as to where you're going to kick it.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with athletic ability. And because
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I watched the Switzerland guys yesterday and I'm like, now,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: that's how you should do a penalty kick. The guy
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: didn't try to kick it hard or anything. He just
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: tricked the goalie and then just dribbled it in. Was
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: it Morocco that kept kicking to where the goalie was?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: Mabe them and so like they knew the goalie was
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: going to move, so they just kick it.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: To the right where he had been.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Even bring the best goalie in the world. I don't
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: want to half ass this competition.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: All right, let's do it. Bring him on, Let's go.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Tim Howard's not doing anything get him just doing funny commercials.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: That's fine.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Bring your ass Howard.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you can turn it into a funny commercial.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: All right. Uh man, I didn't leave myself much time
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: to do what is a pretty big topic. Huh, let's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: do a quick review of review. I heard this discussed
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: yesterday on MLB Network. Brian Kenny was talking about the review,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: our review system that we now have that everybody, obviously
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: all fans wanted because we wanted to get to the
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: bottom line. We wanted to get to the truth. We
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: wanted to expose the officials bad calls. We didn't want
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: that to cost us games. And so everybody goes to review.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: And now we've gone as far as letting laser beams
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: figure out ball and strike calls and whether or not
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: a ball's in or out on a tennis you know, serve.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: So we've really used technology and we are slowing it
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: down to the second for Balligan to try to figure
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: out whether he did something dirty, which apparently is not
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: in the spirit of it. And so the question is
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: did we go too far with review? Have we gone
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: too far with review? But I think there's another question,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: have we gone far enough? That's also another question because
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that are like, I
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: really like the ABS challenge system, but what are we
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: doing half measures for? Why don't we just get the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: call right? Why don't we just get rid of the
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: umpires completely and get the call right every single time
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: rather than play this guessing game. I don't fall in
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: that category entirely, and I'm really enjoying the ABS challenge game.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: That takes place now that we have the game inside
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: the game, and I actually think it's awesome that the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: umpires are better than we thought they were. I actually
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: think it's great. I think it's a great lesson for
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: the hitters who were sure they knew the strike zone
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: better than the umpires.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: They don't.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: We're finding that out every night now. The catchers might Yeah, the.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: Catchers, but they're also lower.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: They've got they've got the only ones that have the
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: better angle than an umpire.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: True, Yeah, the catchers seem to be better at knowing
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the strike zone than the umpires. But the hitters who
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: were just sure the umpires screwed them out of it
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: at bat are finding out time and time again. Nope,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: you're wrong. Yeah, swing the damn bat if you don't
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: want to be called out that pitch is close enough
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: to swing at. So I'm enjoying that, but there has
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: been there's there's still ongoing conversation like why are we
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: even messing around with that? Why don't we just get
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: the call right?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: And then there are plenty of people that do like
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: it slowed down frame bar firm bar frame.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: To see if the cleat has come off of the bag,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: to see if.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: The shoelace was in Jason's shoelace.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Was inbounds or out of bounds. This was not really
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: the spirit of this. And this is where Gene Sterotaur
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: comes in and says, I hate this part of it.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: I like review, love he loves review. He's got a
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: job because of review, right, all right, And so Jeane
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: sterrator loves review, But what did he tell us week
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: after week? I just can't stand that we as officials
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: have to make the call with a naked eye in
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: real time, and then you go to the review and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: you slow it down frame by frame. That's a call
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: we could have never gotten right. And then you want
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: to overturn it. Now some people say, well, yeah, of
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: course that's the way that it should be done. But
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: I think this is Gene defending the umpires and the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: officials because the official feel like they blew a call
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: even though you have to make a call, and we
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: should have if nothing else, have figured out through this
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: process just how close some of these calls are and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: they are impossible to see with the naked eye, to
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: be one hundred percent right with the naked eye on
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: some of these bang bang calls with these fast athletes.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: And now here in the World Cup here we have
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: var has suddenly become a huge point of contention for
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of teams out there. We dealt with it
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: with Baaligan. Egypt's dealing with it right now, and so
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: have we gone too far in a review of review?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine Ashley life without it at
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: this point. We can never go back to not having review.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: But can we stop it now and maybe backpedal a
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: half a step to keep us from fine detail looking
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: for every blade of grass that in your review you
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: have to watch it in real time, just like the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: officials do.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Before you can overturn something.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think that when you slow it
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: down and try to look at every single frame by
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: frame by frame, like in the instance of baligan like,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: it's ruining the spirit of the game.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: There there was no card called on the field.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: Now, had there been a card called like that, you
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 7: had he been given a yellow card and then someone
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: wanted to review it. Oh, hold on, let me see
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 7: if that's a yellow card or a red card. Okay,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 7: that's something you can review. But the official on the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: field didn't call anything.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: And how isn't even supposed to be reviewable, right exactly?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: So then so that's what I'm saying, Yeah, you're you're
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: ruining the spirit of the game in that moment, because
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: you shouldn't just be able to be like, hold on,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: wait a minute, I think I see something and then
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: be able to stop the game to look at something,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 7: to issue a red card that changes the game. M
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, we talk all the time about how officials
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 7: we don't want officials to decide outcomes of games or
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 7: put themselves in a position to decide an outcome of
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: a game.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: And if you do things like.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: That, now you are taking away from the game to
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: insert yourself in a place shouldn't be so Like with
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 7: the with abs, I love it, I just like you.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: I love the fact that it is part of watching
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 7: a game.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: Now. I think if you.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 7: Took umpires out and you just did that and you
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 7: removed that aspect of the game, it would suck.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: I did entertain that thought. I was on the side
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: of we just need to go to robot umps and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: just have that decided. But since I've seen abs in
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: practice and I watch it now every night, I do
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: like it more. I don't want to go I don't
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: want to go to the robot.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 6: We don't need to go further.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: I don't want them to call everything. I'll take it
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: a step further.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: With baseball, I really would like the halo idea above
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: a base because I don't think in the spirit of
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: the rule that we were supposed to watch a runner
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: going at full speed, sliding in to an immovable object,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: and in the process of it, they're there first before
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: the ball, before the tag, and their cleat comes a
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: quarter of an inch off the base because of sheer turbulence,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: and we call that person out. Yeah, No, he beat
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: it to the bag and because he had to slide
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: into a big, giant hunk of plastic. Yeah, his cleat
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: came barely off of the bag and the second baseman
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: held his tag. I mean to me, that's dangerous, right,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, now we're going to try to introduce new
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: ways of sliding that could lead to injuries potentially. I
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: think there should be a halo straight up from the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: bag that you don't get if he beats you there,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: he has the opportunity. Now if he slides completely over
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: the bag, that's another thing. Or if he slides around
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: the bag and can't hold onto it. But when his
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: foot loses contact with the base because his body's flying
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: right because of just pure physics. Yeah, and we're gonna
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: call a guy out for that. He can't control that.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: And I think that's taken review too far. So if
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: we just introduced a halo above each of the bases,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: then maybe we could get rid of what I think
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: is nonsense. But that's that's an example of review having
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: gone too far. Jane has given us plenty of examples
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: of review having gone too far in the National Football League,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: And yet I know a lot of us are like,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: maybe it hasn't gone far enough. Why can't we use
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: review to see if he actually did hold on that
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: play right? And Jeane says, no, no, no, no, no, you don't
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: open up that can of worms. So it seems like
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: it's taken over all of the sports. I know we're
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: better off for having it. I can't even imagine going
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: back twenty five years and watching sports without review. But
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: it's still evolving and we're still trying to figure out
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: can we use it more? And maybe we have reached
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: the finish line. Maybe we shouldn't get finer with it.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe we shouldn't try to slow it down even more
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: to make sure that the absolutely right call was made.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe that does threaten a little bit the integrity of
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: the sport and slows sports down too much. I mean
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: basketball games are hard to affing watch right now.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: I mean they have always been famous.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: My sisters used to tell me all the time, there's.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Been two minutes left for forty minutes.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: It's true, Well that was before replay. Oh my gosh,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: does it slow down a basketball game? Maybe we don't
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: need to go that far. Or maybe since we have
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: gone this far, we can never put that cat back
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: in the bag.
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  Speaker 7: I just think the further you want to go with replay,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: the more you are asking the athlete to do that
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: becomes more difficult. Like, for example, you you when a
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 7: defensive player comes and tries to hit the quarterback but
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: can't land on the quarterback but can't use You know,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: you're you're asking them to do almost impossible athletic feats, right,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: because then you can go back, Oh, well, look he
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: used his body weight, he did this, he did that.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: You need to you're asking an athlete to that, or
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: a baseball player who's full speed sliding over a base
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: to manage to keep your toe there so that, you know,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: because review can go and change these things. And so
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: the further you go, the more you're gonna ask athletes
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: to do in order to try to beat the review.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: And that's another one, by the way, I think all
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: I get Gene. We don't want to open the can
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: of words like on holds and stuff like that, but
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: a fifteen yard penalty and a loss of down is
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: a big deal in an NFL game. I think we
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: should be able to review all fifteen yard penalties. If
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: a guy didn't really commit the foul, yeah, and he
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: just cost his team fifteen yards and gave the other
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: team first down on the key drive, we.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Should be able to review that.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's they get those wrong a lot.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: They get them wrong a lot, And I think there's
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: still room to still grow it, and yet everybody needs
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: to be aware of the danger that we have entered
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: this zone of few things we've probably gone too far with,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: and then there are a couple of things that.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: We could still probably go further still.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I understand where genes coming from, especially
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: here with World Cup stuff happening and applying it to
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: all other sports. So maybe so I'm glad we have review,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: but it's not without its flaws, you know. We we've
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: we've bit off something here that's I can't chew everything.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: I can't chew everything about it.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: All right, Coming up next, it's brunch Time Sports Radio
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  Speaker 10: Noss just make matsy his voiceless tabathy end Oh.
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  Speaker 5: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: It was cracking every single time.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: He just was powering through it. He was emotional.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: He was almost as emotional as andrews Hurst yesterday, doubt it,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: who punched three co workers for talking to him while
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: he was watching the end of that match. He behaved
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: as if like somebody was holding his family ransom and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: if Argentina didn't win, he'd never see them again. That's
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: how andrews Hurst comported himself in our office yesterday. But
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: in the end, in the end, he came out all
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: smiles and all was well in the Hurst household. He
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: joins us now on the program, probably wearing his messy jersey,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: probably got a permanent messy jersey tattoo over his entire
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Torso last night, Anders Hurst is with us here on
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Chuck and Book.
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  Speaker 12: Good morning, sir, Good morning. The ransom was met. So yeah,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 12: everyone's safe as us now, but we'll wait after Saturday.
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  Speaker 5: I see what happened.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: You were sweating it. I mean you were facing US
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: elimination Argentina elimination in the span of like fifteen hours,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: and you were feeling it.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 12: I need I needed to have at least one team
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 12: to root for in the quarterfinals, and hopefully that continues
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 12: because having them both just throw duds out there after
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 12: what the US did and the Argentina started a very
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 12: similar way where they looked terrible for the majority of
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 12: the game. They ended up figuring it out very late,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 12: but better late than ever.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: I guess put that.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: In perspective for us, just how monumental that comeback. I
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: mean it's only two goals. I mean we watch a
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: lot of sports where you know, two hundred points are
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: scored in a game, or.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: Football sixty five eighty.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Points are scored occasionally in a game. Well, two goals
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem in the big picture to be all that
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: much to overcome. But in this sport, at this level
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: and this tournament, to pull that off in the last
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: what fifteen minutes or so, Yeah, put that in perspective,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: and just what how large a comeback that was?
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 12: Well, especially if you put the winner onto that, So
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 12: I would end up being three goals in twelve minutes
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 12: for Argentina to move on to the final or sorry,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 12: the quarterfinal, excuse me, but yeah, I mean Tom Brady
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 12: tweeted out yesterday, I guess that beats twenty eight to three.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 12: So if you guys, if we're if we're, if we're
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 12: following his footsteps, I mean, it's just as monumental in
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 12: a comeback as that. I probably still put twenty eight
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 12: to three over that, just because it happened in the
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 12: Super Bowl. So if that happened in the World Cup final, yeah,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 12: that would be a different story. But I mean the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 12: fact that, like I said, three goals in twelve minutes,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 12: and again, it's not like Argentina was pounding on the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 12: door for the entire game. They kind of just turned
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 12: something on and all of a sudden they were able
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 12: to be like the team that we expected them to be.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 12: And you know, Egypt's not a void of fault either,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 12: because man even to too. They were like going for
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 12: the winner and leaving themselves open at the back. So
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 12: there's a lot of question marked with them in this.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: One as well.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: So is the messy thing at this point like indisputable
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: in terms of his greatness. I mean, obviously he is great,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: but we still I mean, I believe Jordan's above Lebron,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: but I believe Lebron's firmly number two. And I at
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: least understand why you might have that conversation. But is
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: there no more conversation in the soccer world? Did he
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: just kind of cemented yesterday, don't bring up anybody else,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: And who's the best soccer player of all time?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 12: I think, I mean, in my personal opinion, even before
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 12: he won the World Cup in twenty twenty two, he
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 12: was the best. But like I said, I thought, you know, Ronaldo,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 12: Palea and Maradona were all right there. Him getting over
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 12: the mountaintop in twenty twenty two, definitely for most people
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 12: cemented to him, but there were still some stragglers. And
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 12: then seeing what he's doing at this World Cup, I
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 12: think you're right as definitely made it almost indisputable at
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 12: this point. Anyone who tries to say anything else is
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 12: just trolling, to be completely honest. I kind of compare
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 12: it more to like Wayne Gretzky in hockey. There's no
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 12: one in hockey that even debates that he's the best
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 12: player ever, right, And that's kind of That's kind of
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 12: the way I look at it versus something in basketball,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 12: like you said, Jordan versus Lebron all that stuff. So yeah,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 12: I do think it's it's definitely closer to the hockey
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 12: side of things. There obviously will be fans and stuff
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 12: that refuse to view in that way, but I think
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 12: most objective pundits will see things in that way as
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 12: of now. I mean, killing Himbape and the shout. You know,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 12: in a few years, if he's able to get another
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 12: World Cup and continue his scoring level. But the thing is,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 12: Messi's greatness doesn't just happen at the international stage. It
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 12: happens at the club stage too, So kind of combining
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 12: both of those things is what makes him as good
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 12: as he is. And he's been doing it for since
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 12: two thousand and six, so it's over twenty years now.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: Help me and one more thing on Messi helped me
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: with something because I'm certainly not trying to troll. I
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: don't know enough about soccer to try to troll anyone,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: but as I'm watching it more closely now, like my
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: takeaway from the England match was, Hey, I realized that
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: Messi and Nimbappe, and they're huge scores in Holland, are
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: huge scores. But this Bellingham guy for England not only
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: scoring goals, he's taking them away at the other end.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: So tell me, because I kind of took it away
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: like that guy might be the best soccer player in
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: the world because of his two way abilities and how
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: he was playing every inch of the field that night.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: So how does a soccer fan, a soccer expert sort
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: of compare and contrast the guy that's just an elite
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: scorer who pretty much just dominates one end of the field,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: the scoring end of the field, versus a Bellingham type
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: that's kind of like Shoe a Otani. He's playing he's
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: as good defensively as he seems to be offensively.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 12: You know, Jacket's a really good point because there's a
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 12: lot of people, you know, look at someone maybe like
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 12: Franz Beckenbauer, who you know, won a World Cup as
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 12: a player and won one of the coach, was a
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 12: solid center back for a long time in the top
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 12: European leagues and then came over here to America obviously,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 12: but again different time period. But that's kind of where
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 12: a lot of people say, Hey, maybe it's it's the
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 12: both sides of the ball sort of thing. The only
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 12: thing that I think has elevated the top goal scorers
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 12: is because it's so valuable. It's much more valuable than
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 12: than the defensive side of things, like it's you can
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 12: find a really good defender, uh, and pretty much Uh,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 12: it's much more common to get your your team the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 12: defensive side figured out. It's it's scoring goals. As you see,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 12: it's so rare because there's so few goals in each game.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 12: Having one of those players that can do it at
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 12: the absolute highest of levels is is that much more
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 12: valuable too to a team than than someone who does
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 12: it on both sides and at a high level and
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 12: I don't want to dispute what you're you're pondering here,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 12: but so Shoho Tani on both ends is at least
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 12: a top five player, and Jude Bellingham probably wouldn't be
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 12: a top five if he was just a defender, and
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 12: he wouldn't be a top five striker if he was
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 12: just a striker. He's very good at both, don't get
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 12: me wrong, but the fact that you know you can
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 12: do both is different than being elite at both. So again,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 12: how special show Hey is, But that kind of it
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 12: goes to show like in soccer, things are very much
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 12: specialized and everyone has their role and having someone who
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 12: can do the not just goal scoring, by the way,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 12: with Messi, maybe that's something that separates him, I think
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 12: a little bit from the Ronaldo, the Ambappes and the Hallens.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 12: It's the creative piece. It's the kind of passing, intricate play,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 12: and that he can get involved with his teammates as well.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 12: You're seeing more of the goal scoring now because he's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 12: older and he doesn't only have the legs to dribble
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 12: by everyone, but in his prime he was much more
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 12: of the provider as well.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: Well, let me be clear about something nobody's a show.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 13: Hey, nobody's show Hey exactly like, yeah, but nobody showy
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 13: right with us here on Chuck and Buck in the morning.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: So I will ask one more question before we move
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: on to the US. How did how did your wife
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: handle the emotions of yesterday?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 12: Well, you left after I showed the office the picture
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 12: that my wife sent me of my son crying because
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 12: she screamed so loud and scared him. I'm serious, I will.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 12: I will show it to you when I get in today.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 12: But it's quite funny because that's probably the fourth time
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 12: that's happened now at this World Cup, and he's as
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 12: a four month old. He's like, what in the name
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 12: of God is going on here? So I think he's
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 12: starting to figure out pretty quickly how important this game
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 12: and this team is to his mom and dad.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: There.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I did it a couple of times with the US,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 12: and he and his mom with Argentina, probably to a
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 12: bigger extent.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Well, you do run the risk though, of Pavlovian this thing,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: and now he's going to associate soccer with my parents scream,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: so he might actually not like soccer for it, right, Actually,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: the opposite effect you wanted to have.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: They he might just like, oh, soccer.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: On, no, turn it all, that's good, All right, let's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: talk about the US. You've had a little time to
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: digest this, even though I know it didn't go down
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: well for you or any other big time American soccer
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: fan slash analysts. So as you sit now, how did
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: it go so terribly wrong the other night?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 12: I still don't know why. That's a big question that
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 12: I keep coming to, is why. But as much as
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 12: I can analyze it, the thing that dumbfounds me more
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 12: than anything else is how big of a gap their
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 12: performance was against Belgium versus all four of the other games.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 12: And yes, you can include the Turkey loss in that,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 12: because at least A they've played their backups and b
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 12: they showed some fight in that game. The fact that
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 12: there was just no urgency, no desperation for a moment
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 12: as big as that is the most frustrating thing I
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 12: felt in sports in a very long time.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: Shock.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 12: And it's I don't know. I Originally, when I was
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 12: about to go on the air for the postgame show,
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 12: I was pretty mad at the coach because you know,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 12: it's one thing to have, you know, a couple of
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 12: players not show up, but to have the entire team
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 12: not show up, that's when I kind of look at coaching.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 12: But Danny Jackson, our expert, played for a former captain
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 12: of the Sounders during the USL days and you know,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 12: played at Leeds United over in England for a while.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 12: He kind of talked me off the ledgend was like, hey,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 12: look what if the managers supposed to say to a
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 12: player if you're not motivated for a round of sixteen
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 12: match at the World Cup on home soil in that atmosphere.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 12: I mean, there's nothing a coach can say at that
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 12: point too to get you ready. And I think the
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 12: biggest thing that I've come away with that whole performance
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 12: is that the US, while having really good players, they
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 12: don't have any big players. That's kind of the distinction
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 12: that I have been making in my head, and I
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 12: think that's the conclusion a lot have come to. They
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 12: all shrink in the biggest moment, unfortunately, and no one
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 12: like a messy type or a Holland or an Abappe
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 12: was there to carry them over the line when they
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 12: needed them to. So it sucks because I thought this
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 12: team was different and in the end, this is the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 12: match that we're going to probably remember most obviously from
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 12: this World Cup. I still think there was a lot
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 12: of positives and there were still some advancements and steps
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 12: forward made. It's just he took a pretty big step
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 12: back in the last and most important game that you played.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would push back a little bit on Danny's
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: thoughts on that. I don't entirely. I mean, I don't
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: disagree with it, Like, how how do you need any
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: extra motivation here? But Jackson brought up something similar yesterday,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: and I think it's because they're the same person, Danny
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Jackson Felts, and so he brought up something similar yesterday,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: but he was talking about I don't know what was
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: he supposed to give a raw Ross speech. No, it's
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: not about a raw Ross speech. It's not about your
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: miracle moment. But I do think it is a coach's
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: responsibility to gauge whether or not his team is locked in.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: We talk about this with coach Holmgren all the time,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: and there were times where he would know in the
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: middle of the week of practice whether or not his
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: team was where it needed to be mentally for the game.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: And so I do think there's a little bit of
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: responsibility on the head coach when your entire team shows
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: up flat, and whether that had anything to do with
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Balligan and the controversy and the scandal. You got to
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: make sure that that doesn't affect your players and it
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't affect their focus. So I mean, I agree there
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: shouldn't you shouldn't need to give some sort of raw
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: ross speech. But I do hang if your team, for
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: its biggest match ever shows up and to a man
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: their flat, something got missed by the coach during the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: course of the week.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah, no, I I I definitely agree with you on that.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 12: I just in my head when I logically or maybe
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 12: illogically at that point right after the game, was like,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 12: oh everyone.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: Was bad, it's all the coaches fault.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 12: What is he doing? He didn't have them ready. It's
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 12: a different kind of uh. With soccer. It's very much
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 12: like as a player, it's your responsibility when you step
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 12: over the line to to be locked in and and
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 12: but you're right, I think there definitely could have been
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 12: maybe some steps taken. I do wonder how much the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 12: Balligan distraction, I guess is the word played in effect. Again,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 12: I just don't know if.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let that if that, if that's used
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: as a reason, well we're just that scandal scared us.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: That's where a coach is like, we're not gonna let
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: this affect us. He's gonna make sure everybody's mind is right.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and if not, then you're not starting right, and
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 12: like it's that simple. But again, I think there's a
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 12: reason why it's now been multiple coaches in the US
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 12: where you can compare it to the twenty twenty two
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 12: World Cup, well, yes, they didn't look as dominant in
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 12: the group stage, but we still saw some bright flashes
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 12: from the guys. And when they comes to playing against
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 12: big teams and big moments, this team, these players, this
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 12: group of players, this nation as a soccer playing country,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 12: is unable to get over that hump. And I think
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 12: it's because, like I said, you have players that play
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 12: at big clubs, but they're not None of them are
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 12: the guy at their big club and they've i maybe
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 12: with the exception of Christian Poulisik, who is a whole
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 12: different conversation, they haven't played in like the big moments
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 12: of soccer, like the Champions leaguees competing for Premier League titles,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 12: all that kind of stuff, because it showed that yesterday,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 12: like they just weren't ready for the moment. And you know,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 12: it's one thing to you know, be a good player
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 12: against Bosnia or you know, against Paraguay, who it's it's
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 12: a that's a good performance showing that they beat Germany
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 12: and then ended up taking France to the brink, two
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 12: of the best teams in the world. But when you
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 12: are playing against the higher quality, big time competition and
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 12: you wilts under the pressure like that, it's just something
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 12: we've seen far too often with with this country and
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 12: this with this national team.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, last minute, do you have a different favorite than
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: you started with to win it all?
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: Who are you picking with the eight now set?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 12: I mean, as much as my heart wants to say Argentina,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 12: it feels I don't want to say inevitable because they
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 12: keep just scraping by these teams that they should be
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 12: being by a lot. But I guess France would be
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 12: my kind of favorite because of how just how much
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 12: firepower they have an attack. I will say, if they
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 12: still haven't really played a game where they have a
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 12: team that takes it to them, and maybe that's by design.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 12: Maybe most teams see that attack and be like, oh,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 12: the best way to stay in this game is to
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 12: just defend and keep it close for as long as possible.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 12: But I still think that they're vulnerable in the back,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 12: so they're not an unbeatable team, but as of now,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 12: they're playing the best. I'll say it that way. If
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 12: Argentina finally clicked something on like they can, I think
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 12: they can definitely give France a run for their money.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 12: England I think definitely is up there as well, as
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 12: you mentioned, like they again, it took them just just
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 12: scraping by to beat Mexico, but you're gonna need to
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 12: have those types of performances. They showed something that I
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 12: didn't think they had, the opposite of the US in
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 12: the big moment, so hopefully they can kind of continue
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 12: to carry that on as well. It's going to be
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 12: a fantastic tournament. I mean, if the Chalk goes, it's
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 12: going to be England versus Argentina in the semifinal and
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 12: France Versustain in the other semifinal, and those are just
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 12: fantastic massups. So I honestly could say anything about any
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 12: one of those well.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, with Argentina. They can
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: score whenever they want, they just don't always want to.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, hey we're trailing.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: We're trailing by five goals with four minutes to play.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: Let's get six.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: It got six right here, real fast, just to one
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: after another.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: All right, man, Well, thank you. We appreciate great work
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: as always, and we'll see you soon.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 12: Yep, sounds good, have a good one, Chuck.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: All right, andrews Hurst joining us. The tournament won't resume
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: until tomorrow at one o'clock with France versus Morocco, and
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: then they'll play one match on Friday and then two
• 1:33:35
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• 1:33:38
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  Speaker 1: of the letter R yesterday, and R is for regular. Congratulations.
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  Speaker 1: Almost felt like he should wear like a patch or
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  Speaker 1: something last night, but dom Canzone has graduated officially to
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  Speaker 1: regular status. It was reported yesterday that he is going
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: to start against both lefties and right He's going forward
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  Speaker 1: and right now he's hitting right in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: our order. And how did he celebrate this great achievement
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: of his He went hitless last night.
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  Speaker 6: I really wanted him to do something.
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  Speaker 1: I was the pressure's too much. Yeah, there's nothing. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not achieving anymore. It was a goal, and now I
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: ever teeved my goal. Now I can't hit anymore. I
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  Speaker 1: think this is the right move. I got to give
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: anders Herst credit for this because he said it on
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  Speaker 1: our podcast, Our Stove thirty podcasts not long ago, that
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  Speaker 1: should we be entertaining it. And I didn't really think
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  Speaker 1: so I did think he deserved more looks against left handers,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't know if we'd get to the point
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  Speaker 1: where we felt comfortable with him playing every single day.
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  Speaker 1: But I do know, I do know over the course
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  Speaker 1: of the last month, certainly I feel better about him
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  Speaker 1: than Ref Snider against left handers.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I will say, I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Okay, I was gonna say I don't know that
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  Speaker 7: that's saying a lot about Ref Snyder because I feel
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  Speaker 7: better about Hobbs, about Matt Hobbs against left handers.
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  Speaker 3: Terry Holloman, I mean, he looked great in that cage
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  Speaker 3: y Yeah he did.
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  Speaker 6: But I'll put Hi up against the left any day.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm good. I'm good with the dom playing every
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  Speaker 1: day against lefties and righties and excited to see what
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: kind of results we get. I mean, he was making
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: contact two years ago against lefty. The previous year he
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: couldn't hit lefties at all.
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  Speaker 3: But he was.
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  Speaker 1: He was not hitting for power, but I think he
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: had like two seventy five against lefties last season, and
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: then this year he's actually incorporated some power into it
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  Speaker 1: as well. So he is developing, he's emerging, and every
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: player wants to hit against lefties and right He wants
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  Speaker 1: to play every day. So it did kind of feel
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: like Dom graduated from something yesterday seeing him in the lineup.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, from one side to the other side as he
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  Speaker 7: walked across the plate, and I just.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to pat ourselves on the
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  Speaker 1: back here too much, but this is now like three
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  Speaker 1: things I've been like a month ahead of you guys
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  Speaker 1: on over there.
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  Speaker 6: You want me to pat you on the back, and
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 6: then you're not doing it to yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of you know, I like to see
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: Dan putting Ferreira in the sixth even though we were
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: down to like that like that, yep, yep.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It took a little while for you to get there
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  Speaker 1: with me, but that I like their musing munnose more
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: frequently took way too long for you get on that
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: same page with Andres and I. But we're there, we're there,
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  Speaker 1: and so yeah it's coming. I like what you're doing
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  Speaker 1: over there. Finally, not in every area.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we got some other ideas though, so don't tune out.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: Asked this for Scooble. I finally got asked by a
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: friend yesterday, where do you think Scoobl's going to land,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: and it dawned on me. I'm like, I've not been
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  Speaker 1: asked this question yet through this entire process, and.
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  Speaker 3: I have an answer. That's the thing about it.
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  Speaker 1: I've had an answer for like a month where I
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  Speaker 1: think Trek Scouble's going to land and I know this
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: is ABC's of the ms, but it's not going to
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  Speaker 1: be the Mariners. Otherwise I would have done this this
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  Speaker 1: for Seattle, but I think that it does. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're thinking about it. If he's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: vail le bold, does he represent an upgrade at the
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  Speaker 1: top of our rotation. It's been kicked around whether or
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  Speaker 1: not the Mariners would be interested. I think it's been
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  Speaker 1: shoved way to the side here as of late. But nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: Trek Scooble's going to be talked about a lot in
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  Speaker 1: the next three four weeks about where he's going to
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  Speaker 1: end up because it doesn't look like Detroit's going to
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  Speaker 1: get back into this race, even though Tom Verducci did
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: say the other day he things is going to still
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: end up in Detroit, which I don't see how that
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  Speaker 1: happens unless the Tigers get back.
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  Speaker 3: In the race.
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  Speaker 6: Where do you think he's going to end up.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's going to end up with the Milwaukee Brewers.
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  Speaker 3: Really, I mean, think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Milwaukee has been excellent for a number of years, but
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: then they get to the postseason. They're built for the
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: regular season. They're not built for the postseason. And yet
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  Speaker 1: what if you had Scooble and Miss in the same rotation.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine putting those two together. I mean, Milwaukee's
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: got to go for it at some point, and they're
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: they're happy with being contenders every year and being in
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: the conversation. And there's no way that any Brewer fan
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: can feel dissatisfied with being a Brewer fan right now.
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  Speaker 1: That's how consistently great they've been lately, how much they've
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: overachieved in recent years despite their payroll. They win the division,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: it feels like every single season, and they have the
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: second best record in Major League Baseball again this year.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: But they get the playoffs and they're an easy out.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: And so you can't redo your entire roster. You can't
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: do redo your entire organizational philosophy. But what you can
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: do is rent a player like this, give up a
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: little bit of your prospect capital, and put Trek Scooble
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  Speaker 1: with Jacob Mazerowski and say, try to beat us four times.
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  Speaker 1: Just try to beat us four times in a short series.
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  Speaker 1: A great addition that would be that would be fun. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I would love to see.
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  Speaker 6: Fun to watch actually, And of course we.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly don't want him to go to the Yankees, with
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers or some other can so we'd like to
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: see him go. If he can't be a Mariner, we'd
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  Speaker 1: like to see him go to a team that we
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: can actually root for.
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  Speaker 6: If he goes to the Dodgers, I might never watch
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  Speaker 6: baseball again.
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  Speaker 1: I'll throw up all over my face. Yeah, if he
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  Speaker 1: goes to the Dodgers, but Milwaukee, that's great.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that.
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  Speaker 1: And they've done this before.
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  Speaker 3: They were rented C. C.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: Sabbathia and they overpitched him, but they knew they weren't
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: going to keep him. They knew weren't gonna be able
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: to afford him. But that was about the closest they've
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: come to putting together a World Series team since nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty two. And so I think that it's something that
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: is in their bag of tricks, and I think they
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: should go for it.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the perfect fit for him. Finally, Tea
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: is for the Rock. So I have officially.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Declared my hopes for the rotation in the second half,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: and we've arrived at the conclusion that we thought we
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: were going to arrive at, and it now makes all
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: of this other jumping through hoops and gymnastics seem a
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: little silly. But I think when Bryce Miller was activated,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: Luis Castillo was our sixth best starting pitcher on the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: active roster, maybe not in the organization, but on the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: active roster. So I think we knew then that we
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: should stay with a five man rotation, and Luis is
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: unfortunately on the outside looking in. Well, we've gone through
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: all of these hurdles and everything else, and we're getting ready,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: I think, to make a decision during the All Star break. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to end up exactly where we were when
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  Speaker 1: it started. Luis Castillo was our sixth best starter and
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: our rotation, and he's not going to make our five
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: man rotation to start the second half of the season.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: And I would say this to make it a little
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: bit different than what we talked about at seven point thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he like it? Do you think he's going
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  Speaker 1: to like getting traded to a non contender for financial
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: reasons more than I'll go to the bullpen and help
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  Speaker 1: the team out of the bullpen, and if you need me,
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  Speaker 1: i can jump back into the starting rotation because I'm
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: not going to be that far removed from it. Yeah yeah, yeah, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He pitched in the bullpen for a two and a
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  Speaker 1: half weeks, but I'm not that far removed that I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't work my way back into the starting rotation if
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: you needed me. So that's number one. He's not gonna
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: he would prefer being in our bullpen, then he would
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: be on some non contender starting rotation. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: I mean he chose to be here, He signed an
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  Speaker 3: extension with us. He wanted to be a.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: Mariner, so I think he'd prefer that, And I mean
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: most we much more prefer to be in the starting rotation.
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  Speaker 1: But versus being moved in a financial move to bring
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: in a bat, I think he'd much rather be here
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: with this team and try to see it through. The
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  Speaker 1: second thing is, even if he does get if you
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: can't keep him stretched out, even if the team does
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: stay healthy and he goes two months without having pitched
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: more than two innings. We have Kate Anderson.
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  Speaker 3: M he's the guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's the guy you're keeping long longer in the minor
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: league level. And he's probably a better pitcher than Luis
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: Castillo right now. So even if you do need another
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: starting pitcher, you've got a better option right now in
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Double A and Kate Anderson than we have with Luis Castillo.
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  Speaker 1: And then the third thing is I think he's going
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: to actually be a really good relief pitcher for us,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: and he would have been perfect for last night. Yeah,
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: we used our four high leverage guys, we went to
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: the tenth. Now we can go to Luis Castillo to
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: pitch the tenth and he can go at least two
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: innings and maybe more if we need him beyond that.
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  Speaker 1: How ideal would it have been to have been in
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: a five man rotation last night and Luis Castillo coming
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: out of our bullpen with the ability to go along.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: But also he's been very effective in his first inning,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: every relief outing that he's had. That would have been
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: the perfect tenth inning pitcher over Michael Rucker last night.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: To be able to go to Luis Castillo in that
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: situation against the Marlins last night.
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  Speaker 7: Well, and I think you're overlooking one big thing as well.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 7: We have seen, we have proof. I mean there's video
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 7: proof of this that the starting pitchers have jealousy over
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: the relief pitchers. Fire entrance. Luis wants the fire and
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 7: now he could finally have it. We knew that from
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 7: the beginning of the season, him and George, why don't
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 7: we get fire?
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: Luise Caliente, you can have the fire now?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's been a dream come true.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Wait, go, that's right. What do you say, buddy, I'm.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 7: Just saying picture him. You know, they open the door.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 7: Can you smell what the rock is cooking? And the
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 7: flames go up.
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  Speaker 1: I want us to win a World Series, and I
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: want Luis Castillo to be on our team when we
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: win a World Series.
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  Speaker 3: But it's time to start being direct about a thing.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: I agree, honest with ourselves about a few things, and
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: honest with our players about a few things. This is
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: your job. This is not This is not preschool, right, Okay, yeah,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: you this is major league professional baseball and we're trying
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: to win a World Series. We're going to play the
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: best player at third base when the time comes.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: That's JP.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: That's JP. But if it's not JP, it better not
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: be JP. And we're going to have a five man
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: rotation like a grown up team, and it's going to
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: feature our five best starters and enough of, enough of
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: everything else.
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  Speaker 6: Yep, agreed, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: All right, one last thing to close it out.
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  Speaker 5: Next.
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