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TMCP Ep 19: Wilder Returns, Jake Paul's Ranking and More · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing it six foot five weight class
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  Speaker 1: unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
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  Speaker 1: in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Towns
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  Speaker 1: with six wins.
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  Speaker 2: Three losses, two arrests, four late.
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  Speaker 1: Payments on student loans, and two total painkruptcies.
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  Speaker 3: HiT's the classy. I'll go high. Thank you. Welcome back
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  Speaker 3: to another episode of the Mixed Company Podcast. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: on one half of the show Mixed Company Podcast and
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  Speaker 3: is always I'm enjoyed by the classy alcoholic classy. What's
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  Speaker 3: going on? Man?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Jamison, I'm feeling good. I mean, I can't say
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  Speaker 2: I'm enjoying the summer heat, but I'm trying to beat
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  Speaker 2: it by going out drinking all night and sleeping all
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  Speaker 2: day with the AC cracked. And it's kind of working,
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  Speaker 2: kind of working.
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  Speaker 3: That doesn't make No, you can't drink more in the heat.
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  Speaker 3: I don't work.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I wait a night tell you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like cool cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You you in the Midwestern and back heats, your
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  Speaker 3: nights ain't d the nights.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. I have in Arizona. So is that what
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  Speaker 2: I've been feeling like garbage for the last like two
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  Speaker 2: months or is it just like But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Not only do I drink all night, I had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of late night tacos, So I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: that kind of balances out man eat for you. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna have to talk to I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: a nutritionist or somebody to a mobile IV place to
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  Speaker 2: maybe get myself back on track, because clearly I am
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  Speaker 2: living my life wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: But that's okay, because one thing I am doing right
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  Speaker 2: is with here. I'm here with you today recording episode
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  Speaker 2: nine of our show, and uh, I have been making
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  Speaker 2: it out to the news stand picking up the Boxing Gazette,
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  Speaker 2: America's finest source in boxing news. So let's check out
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  Speaker 2: the headlines. What have we got here? The front page
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  Speaker 2: was Jake Paul of course, but I'm more just in
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  Speaker 2: What's in the back by the crossword puzzle by the
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  Speaker 2: escort ads. Deontay Wilder came back this weekend on against
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  Speaker 2: Tyrrell Herndon. The fight was streamed on BLK Prime, which
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  Speaker 2: I assume has pronounced black Prime, a streaming service that
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  Speaker 2: I only remember spending a lot of money back in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two to host Budd Crawford versus David a
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  Speaker 2: venison of an Ason. Apologies if I got that wrong, jameson,
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  Speaker 2: how do you feel about Deontay's return?
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  Speaker 3: So here's the thing I don't like. I don't why
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  Speaker 3: when the boxer retires and not retired and plays that game,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of that. However, it feels like
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  Speaker 3: he's back because of the money. It feels like he's
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  Speaker 3: back because there's there's earning opportunity in the next six
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  Speaker 3: to twelve months. So that's where I kind of feel
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  Speaker 3: indifferent at right, Like are you back because you want
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  Speaker 3: to fight? Or are you back because you want to
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  Speaker 3: make money? Because his flaws have always been his laws? Right?
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  Speaker 3: You know, out of the box, or we know what
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  Speaker 3: watchers can can I do? We know their strens of
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  Speaker 3: weaknesses are. We've known his strengths and weaknesses and the
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  Speaker 3: fact that he's never really approved upon them kind of
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  Speaker 3: tells him tell us the full story about him. So
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  Speaker 3: we know at this age of the game, you don't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily get better or learn new things. You kind of
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  Speaker 3: are who you are. So it looks like he's in
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  Speaker 3: it for a cash grap and I get it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he started. He was a late kind of a late rumer. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he made a lot of money at the
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  Speaker 3: same time. If someone's giving you ten plus million a
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  Speaker 3: year to fight or ten plus million for a fight
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  Speaker 3: to fight Joshua in six months, then you kind of
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  Speaker 3: have to do it. So I get it. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a fan of it, but I understand. I understand why
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  Speaker 3: he's still fighting well and correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't remember him officially saying he was retiring.
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  Speaker 3: He kind of just disappeared after the Fury fight, but
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  Speaker 3: he didn't make an announcement.
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  Speaker 2: He just kind of it.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like we got some i'm done, I'm good
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  Speaker 3: kind of comments, but nothing ever officially. It was always like,
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  Speaker 3: oh I'm good, or I've had enough or I done enough.
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  Speaker 3: But it'll never an officially goodbye. But with all that
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  Speaker 3: being said, in terms of a serious fighter, he's retired.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we don't hang him. He can't be taking seriously.
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  Speaker 3: He cannot.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair. I mean. Now, I've always liked Deonte, never
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  Speaker 2: the most technically skilled fighter, definitely a tough guy. You know,
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  Speaker 2: to his credit, he's got forty nine fights. Nothing this
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  Speaker 2: needs at you know, I think the more. The thing
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  Speaker 2: I'm most interested in is this Black Prime streaming service.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know much about it? If you heard about it,
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  Speaker 2: or do you remember anything apart from the Crawford Fighter.
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  Speaker 2: It's existence it. I try to look Yeah, I try
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  Speaker 2: to look it up, and it says you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's got boxing on it. That's a big draw. It
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  Speaker 2: does say multi multicultural entertainment. I'm assuming it's like a
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  Speaker 2: like a modern bet streaming bet wo price to thirty
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  Speaker 2: three nine nine a month. They seem to focus smaller
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  Speaker 2: name fighters. You know, I'm actually kind of interested to
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  Speaker 2: check it out because I just like fights.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of weeknds ago, I think I was trying
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  Speaker 2: to find the Abdua A Mason fight on one of
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  Speaker 2: my gray market streaming services. Uh, and I ran across
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  Speaker 2: like two women when Hispanic when British going at it
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  Speaker 2: in a boxingate. No idea who they were. The announcers
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  Speaker 2: were speaking in Spanish. I just said and watched while
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  Speaker 2: I waited for ESPN to get to the next event.
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  Speaker 2: So I know, I there's a match on. I don't
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  Speaker 2: have to follow the fighter, I don't have to care about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, their track record career. So hey, maybe if
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  Speaker 2: Black Prime has ab up and coming names, maybe there's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be somebody that you know, we'll hear about in
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  Speaker 2: a year.
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  Speaker 3: So we are both the same age, we've both been
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  Speaker 3: around for a long time. We've watched boxing all kinds
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  Speaker 3: of different streams, channels, ille o, cable, you name it, right,
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  Speaker 3: If there's a fight that we want to watch, we
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  Speaker 3: gonna find it, like that's the thing. And if they
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  Speaker 3: are putting on fights consistently, we will know, we will
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  Speaker 3: know more about them. That's how it always goes. If
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  Speaker 3: there's a fight, we will find.
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  Speaker 2: It, sure, Black Prime. I think I forget the number exactly,
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  Speaker 2: but they paid millions of dollars for the Crawford evan
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  Speaker 2: Asen fight, and uh that when if I remember correctly,
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  Speaker 2: it was pretty boring, pretty stuck too far in Butts favored.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't seem like a like much of a challenge, did.
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  Speaker 2: It seemed very competitive, you know. I didn't know much
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  Speaker 2: about the fighters, still don't know, because I apologize, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not like mispronouncing his name on purpose to be a dick.
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  Speaker 2: I believe it's an Essien David Avnescien. But it was
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  Speaker 2: I struggle to say, I shouldn't say Tomato can, but
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  Speaker 2: that's what it felt like to me what I said.
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  Speaker 2: So Crawford was the draw. But I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: if Black Prime is gonna stay in the boxing game.
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  Speaker 2: You know, either they need to have consistent smaller fighters,
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  Speaker 2: smaller name fighters like I said, uh to get him
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  Speaker 2: out into the the spotlight and and new names. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, yeah, Deontay Wilder's return, maybe, isn't it
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  Speaker 2: maybe something a little bit uh more more like mid
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  Speaker 2: tier fighter.
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  Speaker 3: If that just consistent fights, I've yes, whatever you do
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  Speaker 3: something assistant, people know about you. It's like opening up
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  Speaker 3: a restaurant, right if you're selling burgers and you're open
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  Speaker 3: every day, people will know you for selling burgers, Like
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  Speaker 3: that's what you're known as. So it's not anything else.
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  Speaker 3: Especially why the outlets are now, with the way that
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  Speaker 3: the major outlets are kind of gone away from boxing,
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  Speaker 3: there's gonna be a second tier app or a lesser
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  Speaker 3: known app that wants to take charge. Is there for
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  Speaker 3: the taking?
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, yeah, absolutely, And we've said her many
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  Speaker 2: times that boxing has to get creative and where it's
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  Speaker 2: airing or where it's streaming going forward, because yeah, they're
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  Speaker 2: you know, losing HBO Top rank and ESPN party. Ways,
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  Speaker 2: we got to figure out what the next options are.
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  Speaker 2: And hey, you know what, I'll give it a shot.
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  Speaker 2: I'll pay the three ninety nine and see what's on there.
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  Speaker 2: Three ninety nine. I'm probably gonna forget that I subscribe
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  Speaker 2: to it, and they're gonna get at least six months
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  Speaker 2: out of me to be to be very honest, right
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  Speaker 2: all right. Next up on the list, Jake Paul, still
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  Speaker 2: trying to make a name for himself as someone boxing
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  Speaker 2: fans should care about. He thought Julio Chavis Junior over
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  Speaker 2: the weekend. You know, I've looked. I've said Chavis Senior
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  Speaker 2: is my favorite fighter and the reason I got into
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  Speaker 2: boxing when I was a wee little baby. But I
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  Speaker 2: think my man needs to tell his son to find
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  Speaker 2: another career. You know, he's on paper, Chavis Junior has
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  Speaker 2: not had a terrible career sixty three fights, fifty four wins,
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  Speaker 2: seven losses, thirty four KOs, but his career has been
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  Speaker 2: marred by failing to make weight, failing drug tests. But however,
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  Speaker 2: to be fair, one time he was finding suspended for
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  Speaker 2: marijuana's which I think is stupid. That's not a performance
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  Speaker 2: enhancing drug for fighting. That doesn't make you, doesn't affect
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  Speaker 2: your ability to box. Let's start there. What's your take
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  Speaker 2: on marijuana being a drug that gets fighters find or suspended?
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think of the PD. I think if
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  Speaker 3: it's legal in the state the fight's being held in,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it would be a problem. I think
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  Speaker 3: that is should go by state rule. So if the
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  Speaker 3: state you're in it says, hey, it's good, it's good.
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  Speaker 3: If it's illegal, then it shouldn't be good. Like I
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  Speaker 3: think that's how it should be. It's not a PD.
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  Speaker 3: If anything makes you reflects its slower. If anything, it
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  Speaker 3: can help ease anxiety before a fight. Maybe, But I
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  Speaker 3: don't see the benefit or the gain of somebody testing
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  Speaker 3: positive for weed and patching a fight. I just don't
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  Speaker 3: see it. Now. Other drugs of course, pds, of course,
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  Speaker 3: but we'd no, I don't. I don't necessarily see that. However,
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  Speaker 3: let's be real, most of this country that's an adult
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  Speaker 3: help some kids do. Most smoke weed in some way,
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  Speaker 3: shape or form, or they they obtain cannabis, whether it's
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  Speaker 3: via gummies, whether it's via edibles, whether it's via smoking
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  Speaker 3: and whatever. How do you want to go about it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a big deal. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: much to do about nothing. However, once you develop a
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  Speaker 3: an image or a reputation, these are things that happen.
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  Speaker 3: You don't get benefit of doubt when things come up.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, and you know, Chevez Junior has had kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a I guess, a shit show of a career.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that is what I would say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: very nice. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think this biggest claim
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  Speaker 2: to fame was losing to Canelo and kind of helping
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  Speaker 2: him take off and you know, become a bigger name. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the fight wasn't really from what I read,
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  Speaker 2: because I'll be honest, I didn't watch it. People were
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  Speaker 2: excited about it, the audience were booing. There wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: lot of funchstone, a lot of holding. So today, actually
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  Speaker 2: just before I got in the air, we got news
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  Speaker 2: that Jake Paul was ranked number fourteen cruiserweight by the WBA,
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  Speaker 2: So he's officially wrecked. The everything is alighting to make
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  Speaker 2: people try to take him seriously. A lot of people
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  Speaker 2: already do. Let's be fair, I'm being a hater.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, this is not real. This is this is
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  Speaker 3: a movie, this is this is make pretend.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: He's not fighting real guys. Man Like, if he's a
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  Speaker 3: real boxer, he fights real guys. He's not gonna find
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  Speaker 3: a real guy. So this is all may believe.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So you are on my side, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to be like.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. He does numbers, So you do numbers.
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  Speaker 3: You can do whatever you want because if it makes money,
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  Speaker 3: people will tune in. So I don't take that away
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  Speaker 3: from at all, not one bit. I trust me, I
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  Speaker 3: am I get the business aspect. Well, let's call it
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  Speaker 3: for what it is. This is w w E. This
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  Speaker 3: is not real boxing. This is not Oh you don't
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  Speaker 3: have real fighters in there that have gone through real training,
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  Speaker 3: real regimen, staying in shape, staying clear minded, etcetera, etcetera.
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  Speaker 3: Even as crazy as Ryan Garcia is, he wouldn't dare
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  Speaker 3: fight Ryan. He wouldn't dare even even think about that
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  Speaker 3: unless it's fixed. There's no way, there's no way.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I realized what my issues with
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  Speaker 2: Jake Paul are. And if you'll indulge me for a second,
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite things in the world is when
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  Speaker 2: actors I kind of like, release shitty music. Do you
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  Speaker 2: remember when Jeremy Renner a few years ago was getting
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  Speaker 2: clown for doing the go t. You remember that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't ever do that again. I won't.
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  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. He released the whole album. It
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  Speaker 2: was terrible, and I listened to that hundreds of times.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of those like it's so bad, it's good,
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  Speaker 2: trust me, it's it's a problem, it's a sickness. Vin
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  Speaker 2: Diesel released the song. I listened to that on repeat.
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  Speaker 2: He for Sutherland has terrible country music. I don't even
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  Speaker 2: like country music, and his is particularly bad. But I
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  Speaker 2: end up just because it's a dumb, weird thing that
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  Speaker 2: I am into. I say that to say this, I
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  Speaker 2: do not believe anyone became a fan of Jake Paul
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  Speaker 2: as a boxer by watching him fight. I don't. I
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  Speaker 2: even if you say you did. I just like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think there's a single country music fan in the
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  Speaker 2: world who stumbled across key first album and became a
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  Speaker 2: fan of his without ever having seen you know, twenty
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  Speaker 2: four or The Lost Boys or whatever you want to say.
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  Speaker 2: Paul's a real fighter. Whatever you want to say he's
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  Speaker 2: good for someone who started boxing late. You want to
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  Speaker 2: say he's good for the sport because he brings in
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  Speaker 2: new fans. Whatever, That's not the point. The point is
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  Speaker 2: that David du Company is a legitimate singer with albums
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  Speaker 2: and shows that people attend and have a great time.
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  Speaker 2: But the conversation has to be different from a musician
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  Speaker 2: who grinded, you know, playing acoustic guitar for years at
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  Speaker 2: dive bars and managed to get a big break of
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  Speaker 2: the music scene, told in obscurity because he wasn't on
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  Speaker 2: the xpouse or twenty years. That's what Paul is to me,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, that's why I respect him less as
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  Speaker 2: a fighter. He never had to fight at two PM
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  Speaker 2: on a major card to get himself headlined.
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  Speaker 3: You are correct, there was no before the before the
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  Speaker 3: employees are in, before the ushers are in. There's none
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  Speaker 3: of that when people are still setting up the main
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  Speaker 3: banners and the main chairs, and you know the seat covering.
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  Speaker 3: So in life seat covering, those ain't on there two pm.
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  Speaker 3: Those on there. There's no life seats. It's his regular
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  Speaker 3: seats that's to fight. But yeah, no, yeah, he doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have the traditional upbring of a he didn't have the
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  Speaker 3: traditional upbring of a boxer, and he kind of skipped
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  Speaker 3: the line. And also, we know this is a joke
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  Speaker 3: for him. This isn't a really serious Now, if he
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  Speaker 3: wasn't making money, would he still be boxing. No, that
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't be the case. We know how that goes. So
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  Speaker 3: he's not a real boxer. He's doing this because it's convenient,
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  Speaker 3: not because he loves boxing, and this is in his heart.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why I'm kind of like, eh, I'm indifferent
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  Speaker 3: to it. But he does make money, and I get it.
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  Speaker 3: I understand why. I just don't really support it like that.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, I agreed, and that's probably this is gonna be
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  Speaker 2: the last thing I say about him, you know that
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  Speaker 2: whole rant. And well also another actually one last thing
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  Speaker 2: is that all of his fans, it keeps saying Jake
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  Speaker 2: Paul's the goat. You know, he's a great fighter. He
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  Speaker 2: can knock at Canelo, he can knock out Tank Davis.
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  Speaker 2: I firmly believe that if he got into professional basketball
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  Speaker 2: instead of boxing, those same people would be saying Jake
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  Speaker 2: Paul's to goat. He could smoke Lebron in one on
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  Speaker 2: one he could be the next Kobe Blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: I think they say it because they were already fans.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they were fans because they really believe.
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  Speaker 3: That. And also, he has a huge following, so there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people that gravitate towards him and they'll
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  Speaker 3: support everything he does, whether it's energy drink, whether it's
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  Speaker 3: reality show, whether it's a sport or whatever. So you
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  Speaker 3: got to be mindful that. It kind of reminds me
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  Speaker 3: in some form of other industries where people are fans
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  Speaker 3: of that person, not the industry or the genre. They're
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  Speaker 3: fans of a particular person, so they'll do anything a
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  Speaker 3: person does, but they're not fans of the sport, so
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  Speaker 3: they'll be glued in. They'll go to boxing matches, they're
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  Speaker 3: not fans of boxing, they're fans of a person, so
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  Speaker 3: when that person stops boxing, they're leaving two right.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, David Dukovany does have his shows, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he has his fans, but the guy traded
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  Speaker 2: a name recognition to create I don't know. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's like not quite it's like country adjacent folk ish
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  Speaker 2: type of music that again is very bad, but I
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  Speaker 2: say that as someone who is listen to a lot
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  Speaker 2: of it, it just can't be the same. We just
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  Speaker 2: can't treat you know. It'd be like if you are
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  Speaker 2: a real fan of a lot of different kinds of music,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: like a lot of different kinds of genres, and then
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: I tell you my favorite musician is jereedmy Redner, You're
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: gonna tell me to get the hell out of your face.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: It's just not the same. And that's and that's how
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I feel about Paul. And you know, I do hope
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: that he kind of changes his mind and wants to
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: do something else with his career so I don't have
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: to keep hearing about it and keep having to see
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: the social media plug it and the comments saying, you know,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: he's the goat, he's the face of boxing, blah blah blahs.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: It gets pretty exhausted. Next up in the news, Devin
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Haney is moving up weight to one hundred and forty
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: seven pounds to the welterweight division to fight Brian Norman Jr.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Again with the Saudi's for another rea season match later
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: this year. Now, we both said we're both off hany
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: you know, we're not really excited about anything he's got
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: coming up. But this did surprise me because he lust
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: against Garcia, struggled against Loma, and now he's gonna fight
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: an even bigger guy.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I no, no. Also, here's the thing, man, here's the thing.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: We also realize when boxers don't progress forever reason all
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: bets are off, whether their power doesn't translate, whether they're
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: not hungry anymore, whether they were over ready to begin with,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: when you see the signs. We give too many guys
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the benefit of the doubt. I think that's our biggest
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: issue is boxing fans, especially if we like the person
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: or they're undefeated, or the media tells us something, we'll
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: give a box or the benefit of the doubt before
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: we are pessimistic about it or pessimist about it. But
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: with that being said, there's been too many lackluster fights
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: by him to give him the benefit of the doubt.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: There has not been enough positive things for me to
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: be like, oh yeah, I think it's no, I'm doubting
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: until for the notice that's fair.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I am definitely on with you. I'm very curious what
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: would it take for the Saudis to kind of cut
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: their losses on him, or even not doing just him
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: any other guys that kind of aren't, you know, showing
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: up up to muster.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a name thing. It's not necessarily a
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: performance thing. They're into names. That's why Wilder Josh was
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: going to be made next, next jot or next year.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: So it's not necessarily a performance thing at the moment. Anyway.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: They might change, but as of right now, it's about names.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: We're We're blessed to be able to get Canela Crawford
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: because their two biggest names are also two really good fighters.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: They want the show. They don't necessarily care about the
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: They want to the big marketing. They want the big
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: pre fight dollar. They're not always turned out the product itself,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: as we've seen in other cards. The product hasn't been
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: great in some of the cards. They're more concerned about, Hey,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: we got this together, we made this work. That's how.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but how long could that last? I mean if
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: people are just not tuning in? You know, the Devin
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Haiti got flamed over that performance in Times Square.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Are you aware of the money that they have and
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: what they do?
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm speaking about viewership though, I'm speaking
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: out fans and viewership who.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Just don't know people. As long as people have a name,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: people will watch. I think that's the thing that even
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: when guy's overrated, right, so people will watch as long
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: as guys have a name and they are somewhat relevant.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Now I'm not saying relevant in a bad good way,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: but if their name is out there, for whatever reason,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: people will watch. You got deva Handy's dad out there
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: always talking to other fighters and trying to get other
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: fights made. That's keeping his son relevant and that happens
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: every time. But when he fights, that's just how it goes. Hell,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: his dad might be tougher than him the way things
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: have seen, don't be I mean, you know what I mean.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: His dad has had more bark then Devin at times.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: So guys like that will be relevant. They'll be able
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: to fight and people know their name. It would have
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: like a four fight loss street for then the back
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: up and find somebody else. But until then, as long
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: as he's competitive and he's not losing fights, he's gonna
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: be on card for a while. And they're they're fighting
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: more frequently, they're planning to anyway, which is a good thing.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can appreciate that, and I appreciate the that
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: perspective because it just kind of clicks in my head.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You know. I people hate watch things. People would want
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to watch Devi and Haiti to make fun of him
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: online for being bad even if he wins on the scorecards.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: That is a driving force.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Hell.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I watched hate watch like two or three seasons of Dexter,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and I was like, when I say hate watched, I
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: hated every second of it, but I stuck there even
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not immune to it, so I can see. You know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the I'll say this about Haiti. I'll defend him on
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: one point. You know, the thing that he keeps getting
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: called on social media's pillow hands, pillow hens. David Haiti
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't have any power. I don't like that because not
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: everybody is a knockout artist. Okay, you know, whatever you
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: want to say about his latest performances. That performance against
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: George Camboso's in Australia was fantastic, and that mean Devin
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Hittey just completely demolished that man on points, on jabs
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: with great defense. So I mean he doesn't have to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: have a knockout every fight. If you want to say that,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: then who else's pillow heads? Everybody's favorite Rusky Dmitri Beval
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: who goes to the distance most of his fights.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: So here's the thing. The pillow hands thing is funny
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: first of all, but I think it's more of his
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: fights aren't exciting. So if you're not knocking guys out
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: and you're not very technical, your fights become boring, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: if you're not really looking good at those fights, it's
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: even worse. So I think that's more the criticism that
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: not only is he not knocking guys out, but his
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: fights are very lackluster, and even when he's winning, it's
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: not convincing a great performance. So that's where the name
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: calling comes in. When you don't knock guys out, but
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: you're dominating fights, we call you different things. We have
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: a different turn for that. So I think that's the
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: difference in terms of being able to put on a
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: show even while not knocking somebody out, but looking dominant
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: in the in the twelve rounds of the ten rounds
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: or however long it took to do. So, I think
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that's the difference. That's the main switch between looking good
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: without dropping somebody or without you know, making somebody hurt
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: or make being lackluster and looking like hey, man, what's
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: going on? Because as a fight goes on and you
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: have a big name fighter in there and he's not
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: really taking care of business and it just don't look right,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: then you start to doubt. Then you start to be like, yeah,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: the power ain't there, did the power? Did the power
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: not move up with them? All kinds of questions start.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: So I get it, but I think it's more of
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: how the fight goes I think that's a bigger question
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: than anything.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I can see that. I just have never loved the
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: thing where fans say like, well we just want to
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: see KOs, you want to see chaos. Go watch a
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: YouTube compilation of chaos if that's what you really care about,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: because again it does. You know, Haney, for all of
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: his issues lately, used to be a skilled technical fighter
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and moved well, I don't know what happened. Maybe the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Garcia fighter is a lot of people speculated kind of
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: threw them off his game. But again I've definished of
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: course Stevenson. You know, he had one boring fight and
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: then everybody just said this guy's no good. Not even
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: like this guy is a boring fighter. They said, this
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: guy just sucks and the skills are there.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that fight up. Please hold I
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: have a message from that fight from someone that is
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: close to the situation. I don't know if I've showed
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: you this in the past, but I have a message
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: from someone.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Is this Is this a Mixed Company podcast exclusive? Jameson?
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: It is? It is? It was a while ago, but
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: it was from someone. It was from a boxer I
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: can't name because I can't give me one moment here
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and pulling it up even if you gotta not even
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: you gotta pause it real quick or not an aunt
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: of times so we can edit it. But give me
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: a few moments here. I gotta find it. But I
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: have a.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Well, why while you're looking it up? This is the
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: fight between, like I said, Shaker Stevenson and Edward Delo Santos,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: which is number six three.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Yep, hold on one moment because I have someone that
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: is an ex world champion that texts my guy something
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: and whatld on me let me find it. But yes,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that fight up. To That fight
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: is very important and it's the difference between the casual
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: fan and everyone else because a lot of people don't
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: quite understand that sometimes it's best just to survive. It's
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: not best to go in there going crazy.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Wait, and I do remember that Chaquur said after the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: fact that baby his hand was injured or something like that,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and he wasn't maybe he wasn't throwing the right at all.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I can't remember exactly what that was, but I do
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: remember that being part of the at least Chakour's take
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: on it. His defense, I guess you'd say on the
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: lackluster fight. And here's the thing. I agreed it was
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a lackluster fight. He was also very clearly dominating on
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the number of jabs against Delasento's. He was there using
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of defense, and you know, people are saying
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: he was running in the ring. I'll agree with that,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, he got the
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: win solely on number of punches landed and Edwin Delsento's
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: couldn't really get in there, couldn't really get inside thanks
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: to Chakur's Chugar's defense. So I'm not saying that people
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: are wrong about it being a boring fight. I just
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: think he got too much guff for being, you know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: a bad fighter, and you know, people are flaming him online.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: They're saying, Oh, the worst fight I've ever seen, blah
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: blah blah. He's completely over rated, So I just want
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: to see what I still think the kid has it
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: and has some really good skills, but I don't know.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Let's just see what your what your man's take on
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: there is.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's very ironic that you bring that fight up.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: There was a former world champ, a multi time world champ,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: send a message to the group chat and it's basically like, hey, security,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: we had to do he didn't take a lot of
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: chances he was safe because there's no real incentive on
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: in this fight taking a lot of risks. He can
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: win the fight basically fight the way he likes to fight.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: And the CAVI fan doesn't want to hear that. But
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: from a boxer standpoint, especially how boxing is done, you're
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: not gonna take any unnecessary risks that you don't have to. Also,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: there's bigger fights for him going forward, so there's no
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: need to risk trying to be hero or trying to
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: show people something that wasn't necessary in order to be
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: ultra aggressive potentially get caught with something. So it was
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: more like, hey, from a boxing standpoint, cancel the noise.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: This is what he needs to do. He did, we
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: had to do to survive. And I think fight fans
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: don't want to hear or see that because they're trying
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: to see an action packed fight. They're trying to see blood,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: they're trying to see people to the toe. Boxers understand that, hey,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: fight by fight, let's survive in advance to get to
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the next situation. And that's that was the difference of
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: the thinking. So it would opened my eyes a lot
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: when that came across the group chat.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: So was it because Edwin della sentence just they didn't
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: think he was much of a challenge at all? Or
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: what was that? What was the reason that Shakurd just
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: didn't feel like or didn't feel the need to put
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: up that much of an effort.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: The fight before. The power that he showed was dangerous
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: and they were very cautious of they're probably two cautionus
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: of it. I forgot who exactly we fought the fight before,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: but de Losandeles showed a lot of power. I may
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: even drop the fighter before, And they were very cautious
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: of that, and they were saying, hey, this is what
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: he's capable of, so be careful make sure you don't
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: get caught with this, because here's the thing. We all know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: you're one punch away from changing a career.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: We know, once a guy gets dropped in an embarrassing fashion,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of times they never recover. So it's one
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: of those things to where you know, hey, you've gotta
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: be safe than sorry.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, So that now I'm getting it. So Chakorus camp
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: knew that Edwin's power was dangerous, Dela Center's power was dangerous,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: but also that he could not handle Chakor's style of
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: sticking and moving, sticking and moving and defense. Okay, So
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: that so I mean, you know, realistically speaking, that is
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: what boxing is is. You know, you find the guy's
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: weakness and you use your style against it. You get
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: matched with somebody or you are just your style to
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: you know this guy's weak at the body, you're gonna
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: stick a lot to the body. You know this guy's
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: uh can't fight as well on the inside. So I
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: don't know, it sounds to me like that's just art boxing.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: It is, but y'all look at like this. Most fans
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: want to see a brawl right, most casfectly on ESPN
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: when fights on ESPN. They don't want to see sticking
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: and moving and points. They want to see knockdowns. They
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: want to see knockouts. They want to see people fighting
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: middle of the ring.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know what if you're if you get the win,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: you get the win. And at the end of the day,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: to Chris Stevenson did, I don't know how much that
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: really affected his his career trajectory. You know, a lot
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: of fans talk a lot of their ship, but at
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, if he's still getting fights,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: if he's still getting paid, I don't think he's gonna care.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: He's gotten this far, he's gotten this far doing it
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: his way. He has no he has no reason to
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: do it any other way. Now, with that being said,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know if his style works for other fighters,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: guys that are more talented or just as talented as
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: he is. I'm not sure if power wise, if he
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: gets caught with a good shot by an above average
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: or a better fighter, I don't what happens, because to
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: this point he had only got caught with a lot
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: of big shots. He's been able to be out athletic,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: outslit his opponent a lot of times. He is able
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: to fight someone with legit power and that legit athlete,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I'm curious see what happens. I am a big proponent
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: of the boxer beating the brawler. I'm a very big
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: proponent of that in a lot of cases. I would
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: like to see it because I do think your core's
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: skill set travels. I think it translates. I think it
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: does very well. However, one, I like to see him
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: be a little more aggressive going forward IFECI versus worthy opponents.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: And secondly, I want to see him in a fight
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: where he's not running away with it. Can he dig
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: deep in a fight where he can't use his athleticism
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: and his quickness to just outpoint guys where he has
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: to throw shots in order to win a fight like
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: those are things I want to see. That's what makes
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: fighter's great. When they got to dig deep and go
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: to their C and D level plan because A and
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: B just didn't work for whatever reason they got neutralized
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: or just the bat matchup. Those are things I want
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to see, and we'll see what happened. That looks like
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: he's being more active and he's more into things going forward,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: so we'll see. But my biggest thing is with him,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: what happens when it's round eight in the fight's four
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: to three either way, and he's not able to speed's
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: not working or he's not able to land because for
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: whatever reason, the person is just as athletic as he is,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: then what happens. And that's why I want to see them.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: It's a really good take, and I do appreciate that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I do remember Oscar Valdez actually said that he hurts Courses.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Sorry that Shaquur said that he was hurt by Oscar
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Valdez with a body shot, and then Oscar Valdez said
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: he didn't even realize it, you know, to cour admit it,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: like he got me. It hurt. It kind of affected
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: my game plan a little bit, but he rolled with it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. Maybe the kid can take some
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: power punch as well. Oscar Valdes not known for like
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: super power puncher, but he's he's always had some game.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: You know, he could definitely, you can definitely throw a
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: really good punch with the best of them if he
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: needs to. So I don't know, maybe that's an indication
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: that Chakor is sturdier than he looks. And yeah, that
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: that fight was just like a kind of it was
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: a blowout. Was he was dominating both at speed and
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: in points, so and I find that a very exciting match.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: So just some food for thought. Yeah, I'm wanting to
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: see more from him from Shaquor not Oscar Oscar, love
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: you man, but like maybe it's time to hang up
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the gloves, right, But yeah, come to I don't know
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: events here in Tucson because I mentioned before he's from Nogali, Sonora,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: which is like an hour south of us. So hometown
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: hero but great career. But yeah, Shugar Stevens in your
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: career should just be taking off. So I want to
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: see him fight more, want to see him challenge and yeah,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I want to see him really have his skills put
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: to the test. Great, Well, thank you for that. Inside
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: jameson from Your Guy Who Knows a Guy Mixed Company
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Podcast Exclusive. Now we're going to move on to a
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: segment that I think it's gonna make for good conversation.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Is called pop Pugilism, a recurring segment in which was
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: gossay a movie, TV show or documentary about boxing, and
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: today we're talking about the latter. The movie today is
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: called Tyson from two thousand and eight, directed by renowned
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: sex pest James Toback. Usually I do a recap in
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the film, but this is one that doesn't need much because, hey,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: it's about Mike Tyson, one of the most known, most feared,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: most revered, most notorious figures in boxing history. The movie
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't have any interviews or talking heads. It's just Mike
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: telling his own story to camera, GI giving us some
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: insights into some of the most crucial moments in his life.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Before I give my thoughts, Jamison, give me a little
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: insight on what you thought about this movie.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: So we've seen several Mike Tyson films, documentaries, programming, etc. Etc.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: With that being said, we've all seen them in the
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: way that attack him or make him like a joke,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: or make him look like a demon or or a monster.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: This one was the rare one that humanized him, which
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: is very very rare for someone to do because most
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: people aren't into that. Most people want to sell and
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: want to make exploit someone. So it was very good
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: to see a different angle of Mike Tyson's life because
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: all we've seen from all the boxing stuff, all the
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: other stuff is Oh he's a monster, Oh he's this,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: he's that, and he might be. He very well may be,
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: but we all know as people, we all have different
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: sides of this. We all have our good side, our
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: bad side, with the human side, we have our roofless side.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: It was finally good to see his people side, his
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: human side. He showcased for the masses for change. It
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: was a refreshing view because if you was to the
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: media and by that time, unfortunately he had a sexual
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: assault situation, he went to jail, he had the earbying,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: there were so many things that had happened to that
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: point to where, yeah, you think he's some person that
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: should be out with civilians, so you would think that
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: he's a person that probably should not be outside. However,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: this paints him many a different lens. And I'm not
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: saying Mike is perfect. I'm definitely not saying that that
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: would be disingenuous. However, I think it's an interesting part
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: to where we have a situation where someone took the
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: time to really make him look like a human, a
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: regular human, despite the things and ideas that have been
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: spread across for it at that point, like what fifteen years,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: twenty years, twenty plus years, So it was good to
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: see a change of pace.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Sure. Now we're thirty nine. You know, Mike Tyson has
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: been a figure in pulp culture pretty much as long
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: as we've been alive. We're old enough to remember watching
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Mike fight, but maybe not old enough for peak peak
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Mike years. And you know, we saw everything, the controversies
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and everything that happened afterwards. I'm curious, did you actually
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: learn anything that you didn't already know about Mike is
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: especially everybody knows who he is, but especially boxing fans.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like we just were inundated with everything about
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: this guy for decades.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson sells. That's the one that I've learned over
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: the years. You put Mike's name next to anything, it
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: sells hell right now, he's selling weed and gummies ironically, uh,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: you know, and mushrooms. He sell mushrooms, I believe as well.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: So anything next to his name is gonna have people's interests,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: and that interests ain't always genuine, but his name sells
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: things sell. So with that being said, a lot of
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: these docks and movies were cash brabs because they they
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: exploited the ship that people want to see that sells,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: not the stuff that makes him a human or a
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: you know, regular person that has feelings and emotions, But
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: it was more like, hey, look at the craziness he's done,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: or hey, this guy guy's face his face tatted, look
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: at the look at the freak show, you know what
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I mean? Like those are things that were selling. So
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: anytime you have a Tyson doc or Tyson move or
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: anything of that nature, it would always sell so vast.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: The biggest issue when it came to him.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Right, And I think my question was more like, did
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you learn anything about his life and his history that
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: you didn't know? Because there was a lot of things
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: that I saw, the things he talked about. He gave
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: some insights, some behind the scenes on you know, how
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: pissed he was at Hollyfield during the year, buddy, thing,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: this and that, but I don't really feel like it
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: filled in too many pieces of the puzzle for me.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: You know, it was definitely, you know, informative, but I
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: don't know. Again, like I said, this guy has just
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: been so permeated POLP culture so much that there was
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: nothing really that surprised me, that shocked me, that meant,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: holy crap, you know, I didn't know about this or
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: that I think I did. I'm not taking anything away
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: from him telling a story and giving the insights that
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: were valuable. But I don't know. I feel like other
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: documentaries we've talked through, even other narrative films that are
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: based on real fighters, there's been more things that I go, oh,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: that happened really? So yeah, what's That's my question to you?
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Is anything about his life that you didn't really know
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: that came out in this movie?
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, No, there's really nothing. I mean, I've pretty much
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: watched every Mike Tyson movie interview, even the two movies,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, I've watched it all man
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: like Mike's Mike, and it's one of those things to
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: where to be honest with you. Yeah, I don't think
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: there's anything I learned differently down. Plus, I have family
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: from Brooklyn, so I know, like I know no about mine.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I know no more about him than the average person, so
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily learn more things. Plus ironically, he went
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: to one of his kids went to a school that
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: my friend was coaching at. So yeah, I've the scene known,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: I've Yeah, I definitely not much I don't know about
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Mike Tyson. There was more of a situation where the
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: way he's covered. I think we treat Mike differently now
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: than ever before. And this was back in O eight,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: so this was different, but noways we treat Mike like
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: a person. We still get crazy with him at times,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: and we also know that, hey, he can still be
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: crazy at times. But for the most part, the biggest
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: thing of that was more of just humanizing him and
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: not looking at him as an object but human. He
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: was the biggest takeaway, and that's something that I think
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: we still try to do at times, because yeah, he
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: will get emotional interviews. Yeah he'll break down and cry.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah he'll break down and want to fight you if
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: you come out him the wrong way. Why you know.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: So it's still those things, but there's not really anything
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: I learned. It was just more of like I had
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: never seen a piece that was pro Mike Tyson instead
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: of pro Dollar if that makes sense.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I and I remember, maybe not super vividly, but
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I remember the I don't know what would you call it,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: just not uproar, but just how people wouldn't shut up
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: about his facetat and how you know crazy that was
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and what And I still remember being like, I don't know,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: what's the big deal. I mean, maybe it's because Mexican
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and you know, so many people with neck tattoos that
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I grew up seeing, you know, with their kids' names
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: in old English, with a little crown dotting the eye.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: That base tattoo wasn't that big of a deal. I've
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: got friends now that have like that tat sleeves, you know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: all over the back and legs and stuff, and even
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: back then, it didn't seem like that much of a thing.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: What's your take on that? Why was that such a
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: crazy thing?
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Because it was out of random. It wasn't like something
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: that he had worked on. It wasn't like it was
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: a small one that turned into a bigger one. It
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: was literally the whole half of his face. And that's
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: not normal, especially fifteen years almost twenty years ago. That
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: wasn't the norm back then. That was way we looked
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: at this way. We looked at people differently if they
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: had a face or a neck tattoo back then than
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: we do today. Like our thoughts and opinions about people
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: with tattoos are even different today than they were back then.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: And you couple that with it being Mike Tyson, all bets.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Are off, okay, And I can see that for maybe
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the general public that would make sense. I'm just saying,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: and it didn't really strike me as anything too crazy
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: or outlandish. But that's just me. Also, you know, I
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: don't know, I do weird shit. I hang around weird people.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's just because how I live my life.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Drinks and it's over one hundred degrees and wonder why
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I'm tired?
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, wonder why I'm tired?
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: What a saying like how much water you are you
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: having per hour per day and all that stuff.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, like they watered down those drinks at
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: the dive bars. They're not making it all alcohol.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: That ain't it? That? Ain't it all?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Right? Well, you know what, there's hydration and whiskey. Right,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: it's liquid, so it's got to be helping somewhere or another.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Right, No, No, that's cool, it's cool.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: How about this. When I wake up at like two PM,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I do chuck a shit ton of Gatorade, the small ones,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: but like a bunch of those.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: It's not bad. But you want to stay away from
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: gatoray because it has a lot of sodium in it,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: so it keeps me hot, righting. So I'm just give
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: your heads up that's all. Okay, Well, drink a who
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: whole lot water is the best bet water, coconut water,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: and pedia.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Like, okay, okay, maybe if I started putting more water
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: in my dat I can make it to like forty
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: eight instead of like forty two.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a few man, he's made it forty, say
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: more than two years.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Our producer Jurmi just added and said, the icing your
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: drink doesn't count. That's your body fighting off a stroke.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Oh man.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: So I want to keep the conversation about Mike Tyson
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: going overall, but I do want to pop in with
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: something about the movie specifically. It had a lot of
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: like artsy tricks that try to keep it interesting. I
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: didn't love it. So it had several clips of Mike
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Tyson talking over himself like it's a Robert Altman movie
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: or something, and it would be different panels with different
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: shots like a comic book. There was shots of Mike
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: on the beach while he was reciting poems, you know
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: in voiceover that part. I was following the fuck asleep,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: like when they cut to him, I don't know what
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: he was reading or what he was getting at, or
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: what James Tobac was getting at I could not give
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: a shit. I wanted to get back to the stories,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: you know, to his insights. It actually reminded me of
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: when I was in college. I made a stab at
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: trying to make documentary films with a crappy little handheld camcorder,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: and I had a lot of these things made me
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: think of what I had in my head, like shots
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: at weird angles while people are talking, kind of arty things.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: I would have people interview and like stand over here
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: and I'd try to put the sun behind their back
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: or something like that. But then I realized that I
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: didn't really know how to shoot, light or edit any
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: of that night. So I had the ambition, but I
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: didn't have the tools or the talent. But seeing it now,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that's when my things would have turned
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: into maybe it's for the best that I kind of
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: you know, my filmmaking years were very short. But yeah,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: but I did appreciate not just the insight, but a
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: lot of the footage about the fights that Mike was
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: talking about. Of course, you know, they head his early
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: years when he would knock out dudes, and like, what
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: a minute and a half I think I read that
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: there was like first twelve out of it. Twelve of
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: his first eighteen fights were first round knockouts in a
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: minute and a half. What's the we know that people
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: want to see? KOs I always appreciate a late ko
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: like ten eleven or twelve round because you have an
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: exciting fight, competitive fight, and then it's like a twist ending.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Do people really love watch sitting down and anticipating a
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: ninety second fight? I mean, what, what's what was.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: The casual fan? That was for the casual That wasn't
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: for us, that was for America and the people across
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: the world because it became a phenomenon. But real boxers
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: like saying one dominant boxer, wear down the opponent and
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: closing the show late ten to eleven, twelve round because
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: you've dominated, you've hit the body, wore down the body,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: you've timed everything up, and you've delivered the blow or
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: the blows to end the show. I think that's what
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: most boxing fans like to see. If God gets dropped
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: in the first second round, well shit, we got dressed
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: up and do all this for a two round fight
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: that ain't really hit b Like nah, I want to
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: see a back and forth. I personally like watching boxers
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: adjustment fight. I'm a big fan of adjusting, changing up
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: game plans, making the other fighting fight er think. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: like those Excuse me, I like those things more than
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: anything because you don't learn much from a quick knockout.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: You just don't like you don't. Because here's the thing.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: I love Tank Davis, but I learned more about him
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: in his last fight than I did in any other others,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: like having to actually go the distance, have a questionable
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: result that could have went either weigh in some cases,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: and you know, he kind of had to dig deep.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: He has some niversity in the fight. Some could argue,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: you guys should have lost the fight. Those are things
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: that I personally enjoy more than him drop somebody around him,
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: dropping somebody around where he doesn't make my like, all right,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: it's cool, but it doesn't make me to covete different sure, and.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Bringing up tanks specifically, he has been typically like six
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: seven eight round knockout artists, which that I do appreciate
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: because I like when fighters tid to take their time
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: downloading information, learning about the other guy, then adjusting around them,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: kind of hitting in the middle. So Tank is kind
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: of like ideal. You don't want to go lower than
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: that I remember, but also it can be very exciting
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: watching uh Keishawn Davis. I believe it was Valentine's Day,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: fourth round knockout against.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: That name was banned until money back.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: That's true, that's fair.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: You know, he can't bring him up. He's unfucked on
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: a lot of people, and a lot of people are
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: upset with him, and he robbed some performance in his hometown.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: We we can't, okay, I'm.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Okay with this studying that rule this the podcast could
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: have excommunicados like it's John Wick or some ship. You
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: know what, let's do key Shawn ex Community cut it
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: from the podcast. Jake Paul Excamuty cut it from the
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: podcast as well. Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean, the
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: the most interesting thing was seeing the the losses. Mike's losses,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: first one to Buster Douglas is still one of the
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: biggest upsets in sports history. Yeah, what what I saw
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: and actually we talked about it and last episode that
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: you know, Mike is terrified. Mike will get on the inside.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: He'll hit you, hit the body, hit you with a number.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Cut the sentence, dudes of the fucking phantom zone. Yep,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: but Buster Douglas and Vander Holyfield did, kept them at
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: a distance, stopped him from moving forward. He couldn't fight
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: off the back foot, and they made Mike fight their fight.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: And that's that was the key, you know, not that
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: it's an easy thing to do with something like that,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: but that was that was the trick.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I wonder if Buster Douglas doesn't survive that uppercut in
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: round seven of that fight, I want or what I
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: don't go off top? I think, I wonder what happens
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: because then there's no blueprint on beating Mic. Then there's
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: no hey, do this this and that. You know that,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: you know you can follow because if he drops him
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: around seven or eight, it's just another victim on the lips,
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: it's just another guy he beats and the show goes on.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: But once you lose, there's a blueprint on how to
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: how to give my problems, how to beat someone. So
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: that's like one of those what happened what ifs, one
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: of the great what ifs. If that fight goes different.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean at the end of the day, obviously
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: he was going to be unbeatable. I think at some
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: point if it wasn't Buster Douglas, like maybe somebody would
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: have cracked the code, but but I don't know. Maybe
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: he's they maybe somebody had to see Buster Douglas, who,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: by the way, won the championship and I think immediately
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: lost it to somebody else, so he never really became
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: like a huge name or the biggest star in boxing.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I think it was actually, yeah, right, we're trying to
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: make Tyson holyyfood back in ninety one, but that we
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: know obviously went left.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: And yeah, yep, just confirmed by our producer it was
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: holy Field. Yeah, you know, I don't know. The holy
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Field clips are very interesting, you know because the first
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: fight there was really bad headbutt, like buckled Mike's legs.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I think he got a really bad cut. So I
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: actually rewound the clip on the documentary several times. It
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: didn't look intentional in that first one. It did look
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: like just two killers going forward with violent intention. And
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: another thing, you know, if that hadn't happened, could holy
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Field have really kept it up and won that fight?
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: But again, that coupled with strategy of keeping Mike outside
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: keep him from getting, you know, into the kitchen. I
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: don't know, the strategy obviously worked, but yeah, the second fight,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: you know Mike was saying those headbutts were intentional because
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: there were several that's what pissed them off, to bite
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: the ear off, et cetera. I go back and forth.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I could see where that was a little bit more aimed,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: But Mike said, what was Evander Holyfield's head doing behind mine?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: He's taller than me, okay, but like he's trying to
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: keep you from getting inside. He's trying to keep you
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: from you know, he's trying to get low to neutralize
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: that you would get in really fast and really strong
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: and just you know, upper cut the shit out of him.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: So I go back and forth on that one. Now,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: question few do we think? Do you think Mike is
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: like the most unique heavinweight fighter? Just if you ask
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: me any fighter, any heavyweight that's under six feet tall,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Off the top of my head, he's the only one
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I can think of. His speed, his strength and speed
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: is something that really I can't think off the top
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: of my head, who else I've seen with that combination.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: He said that he always like watching the little guys,
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: which I appreciate because I was a little guy growing
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: up and that's the fighters that I gravitated toward. Maybe
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: he watched who list of tennis that would have been dope.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean who else had that combination of speed,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: strength and that much of a height differential.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: He's definitely the most unique one we've ever seen, for sure.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's the question. Mostly weight chances we've
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: had have either been bigger guys, taller guys, athletic guys,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: especially that in that division heavyweight. Yeah, he's the guy
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: that forgot hunder six foot for the power he had,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: for the quick twitch muscles he had, especially like eighties,
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: mic is different, different, different, different. If if he could
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: have stayed focused like he did early on later you know,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: going forward, I think we have a different situation. Also,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: if he didn't have to go to jail, I think
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: things are different as well. But you know, things happened
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: and that's what it is. But just in general, Mike
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: and his prime is probably the most unique boxer we've
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: ever had. Because we don't have short heavyweight fighters. That
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Even nowadays, there's no short heavyweight that doesn't
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: go just doesn't like. He's an anomaly and he got
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: the most out of what he can do during his
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: peak of his powers. It just sucks. At his peak
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: was from like eighty six to ninety. It sucks. Only
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: we have like an eight to ten year peak. We
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: had four three and a half four. That's the thing
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: that sucks. So we didn't get to see him fight
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Holyfield ninety one when he was in his peak. He
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: fought five years later, four or five years later, when
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't his peak.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: So yeah, right, And just to clarify, Mike is according
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: to the enerne's five to ten. So he's not a
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: little guy by any means.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: For every weight he is though, but yeah, his feet,
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: they have longer arms, they're bigger guy in general. Why
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: health Tyson Fury now was six', nine you know whatever he.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Is you, Know wilder is six.' seven well he's, not
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: big but six seven, two thirty which. Is, crazy yeah
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: he's most of the heat with his. Bigger.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah yeah and THAT'S what i was. Getting at
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: it's like compared to the, other heavyweights, you know definitely.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: An.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Anomaly yeah first, Of all, I'LL say i don't know
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: that we'll see a fighter like.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: That.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Ever again, you know he was lightning in. A bottle
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: i don't. Believe that now with, that said there was
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: a Period like i'd say early is two THOUSANDS when
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: i started moving away, from boxing from watching boxing or.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: FOLLOWING it i doing the show has been so cool
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: because it's like reconnecting with an old Friend and, i'm
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: like why did we ever stop talking? Professional boxing? You
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: know where was the time when the heavyweight division started
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: moving Away from americans and Mostly? Black americans because now
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: and there's, been people, you know Coming After tyson fury
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: fights who have straight up sat on. Multiple, occasions oh
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: the era of the black heavyweight fighter. Is over with
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: a little too, much glee, like okay.
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: At the End Of lynx, lewis's run in the beginning
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Of The, clitch goes that's when. Everything changed so they
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: went From The clitch goes to basically what we. See
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: now so that's why even Though with wilder and to a,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Certain extent joshua you know is basically, you know that's,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Basically YEAH like i, would say the End Of lynox
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: lewis is when. Everything changed and he's Not. An american He's,
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: making british so that's a whole. Different thing even though
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: he's a cool dude, in person really actually really dope
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: person is off to but, but yeah that's kind of when.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Things changed the clitch goes, changed everything.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Got, it yeah that's that's about a little a little
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Era where I'm where i'm fuzzy and, you know the
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: kind of name run together and the air run together
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: and just a. Little nebulous, You know i've kind of
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: dipped in and out of boxing fandom most of. My
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: life but that's really interesting to learn because it's so.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Vastly different, you know that was that, was clear so
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: very clearly dominated in. The nineties, you know the black,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Heavyweight fighter american. Heavyweight fighters but, you know. WHO knows
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: i don't know who could be Another? Black american are
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: just black fighter who could be a. Heavyweight CHAMPION but
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: i don't see a lot. OF prospects i don't see
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of potential. Out there, You Know, deontay was
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: it's good To have deonta in, the mix but we
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: already said he's not going To be he's nobody's.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Champion. Anymore, right also people don't find. No more white
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: kids don't fight. No more so it's hard to get
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: a guy that's six, foot three two hundred and. Fifty
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: pounds that person's, playing football so it's. Just, hard like
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: it's not we don't raise boxers more. Like that if
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: we do, their young their smaller guys or. Not heavyweights
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: if a guy's athletic and he's, a heavyweight he's probably playing.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Basketball football that's a really.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Good point and again that's Something that i've always, connected
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: To and i've never really connected as much with the
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: heavyweight division Because like i'm, five NINE and i, WAS
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: like i, don't know like one hundred and thirty pounds,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: in college So now i'm way more. Than that but
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: that's we don't have to worry. About that that's. Nobody's,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Business alcohol.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: That's that's what.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: You get, Hold on, HOLD ON i i drink a
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: lot of booze AND then i eat a lot of late,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: night tacos AND then i pee and poop, a lot like,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: for hours, And, That okay I'm getting i'm shedding that Weight,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: right like that's how. It works it goes right. Through
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: me so it's basically like a. Net zero, come, On,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: right okay.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Fair enough?
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, oh anyway so last Question on MIKE that
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: i have for for the. Group here, you know how
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: do you see? His legacy, you know after the after
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: the time and after that really rough period when, you
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: know they showed that clip of Him against OH like
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: i don't remember in two thousand, and two and he
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: just said he got. Knocked down he looked like an, old,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: man said my heart's not. IN it i just needed
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: to pay. The bills who?
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: Was that do? You remember not until though? Too, right
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: no it was.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: After that it was the one where he was, just
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: like because he haven't he couldn't get a boxing license for.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: A while THAT'S why i was an Entheus Because new
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: York nor vegas would give a. Boxing license so that's
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: why he was At the Pyramid. In, Memphis uh, KEVIN
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: McBride i think is what you.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Referred, to, yes yes THAT'S what. I think and he
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: he just said straight UP like i didn't really want.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: TO fight i just got bills. To pay he had.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: A lot of, TAX issues a lot of.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Tax. Issues yeah but then we got a comeback in
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: pop culture because Of the. HANGOVER movie i might have
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: been in the, sequels too had an adult, swim Cartoon The. Tyson.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Mysteries yeah now. SELLING weed i didn't know he. SOLD
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: mushrooms i know he. Sold, weed uh he's didn't he
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: sell edibles with The vander holyfield and they were shaped
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: like in. The, air yeah the. Ear edibles, So yeah
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: mike is, you know, he's back but he's been through
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: some up and. Down periods what's what's your take on?
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: His legacy, after all that didn't. Tarnish anything so.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: This country does a good job of building, you up
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: to tear you down and then build you back up
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: again when they feel. Like IT and i think he
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: was a prime example because he didn't have no one in.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: This corner there was no one that had his best interest.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: At heart along the way After customer, will died everyone
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: was there to make money off of him and profit,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: off him besides seeing his actual best interest. At Heart
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: now i'm not saying he, was perfect because. He wasn't
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: he ate a lot of self. Destructive, things however there
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: was never a person, that Said hey, Mike Chill hey.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Mike focused everybody was there for the. Gravy train the
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: money was, going well, the money, the liquor, the drugs
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: and everything was. Going well and we're all out here
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: when you see the when you see him go back
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: to that locker Room in tokyo, and ninety it's a
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: different thing and that never never really recovered. From that
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: myself and the producer always joke About, the tyson, you
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Know the, tyson uppercut because sometimes people, don't recover, and
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: unfortunately he didn't have the support staff. To recover he
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: didn't have the infrastructure from within to get, over. That
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: unfortunately and that's just. What happened is one of those
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: things to where it sucked because back then we didn't
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: view things like we. Do now we don't think about
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: the full picture as we. Do now back things like,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: oh shit, he lost he must be, a loser, he's terrible,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: blah blah and now we actually do a deeper diving
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: the thing of why do, he lose, what happened how
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: could this? Been avoided, et cetera. Et cetera so this
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: country build it up to him to be some superhero angry.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Man too then the sexual assault, thing happens he goes,
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: to jail and then he comes out, of jail he
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: fights and He bites. Vanner's ear so now all this
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: craziness happens within, a decade and then the, next thing,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: you know you basically have to fight until, you can't
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: and then he becomes a sympathetic figure because he's broke
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: and he's, worn down you KNOW what. I mean so
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: now we look at him. Way differently the we're not
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: gonna think of him as the unruly black man like
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: you would have thirty. Years ago there's way more sympathetic two.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Things now but still He Trees. Mike tyson. He's crazy
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: the first thing you Think Of mike tyson and. He's,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: crazy unfortunately that's how it's going. To be i'm not saying,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: it's right but you think of crazy when you Bring Up.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Mike tyson whether it's fair. OR not i don't make,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: the rules but that's the first thing you think of,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: is like, oh shits something crazy must.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Have Happened, right well in, THESE days, i mean he
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: is more of just like a, clownish figure not even
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: the way, he behaves the way people. See, him again
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: he's got, a cartoon he's. Selling weed it's just kind
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: of more of a. Silly guy and he's he's definitely
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: become less of a of, a terrifying, feared figure though
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: we still probably should. Be here here's the thing too about.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: THE uh, i know We Excommunicado, Jake paul so we're
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: gonna excommunicado His brother Logan. Pu yeah, oh, wait sorry
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: MY mad i was gonna Say That Tyson, Logan palfi
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: but that's not what happened. At, all no that's HOW
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: little i care. About, that, no, no yeah that last
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: thing that bummed, Me OUT and I remember i talked
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: about on the show because that was like our. Second
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: episode maybe when. That happened there friends of mine who are, just, like,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: NO man i gotta go Back see mike in. THE
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: ring i gotta. Watch it, but honestly do you let?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Shit?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Go, man sometimes just let. Shit go Let let mike
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: be the. Weed guy let, him be, you know the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: the comedy, movie guy and just stop stop trying to
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: reach for. The past we can't go. Back again, you
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: know we're all of our our knees probably aren't gonna
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: start unhurting the. Older weekend so let's let Let the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: mike's legacy live where. It was go back and watch
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: those fights and you know there everything's on. YouTube nowadays
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: i appreciate where, he was and then, also appreciate, you
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: know We wouldn't we learned more from our losses than from.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: Our wins appreciate what it took to bring that.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Bad down and he. Multiple losses so here's. The thing
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: YOU and i have, private losses go to. Regular people
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: so our losses are within they very readily. Get shared
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: all his loss all his most embarrassing moments came in the.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: Public Eye the tokyo thing happened in front of thousands,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: of people millions across. The world the earbodying thing happened
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: ON live tv thirty, years ago damn near and. Everybody's
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: watching and then if you, weren't watching you instantly got
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: a phone call or page, Talking, about hey did you
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: see or hear what? Just happened and it was all over,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: every newspaper every new every news channel in this world
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: was showing the. Earbody incident and there's a famous picture
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: that you see on the ring that Basically. Divides tyson
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: there's a bunch, of Cops L metro pd cops and
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: holy feel because he had just bet that man's either, and,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: yeah man It, Was yeah i'll never that's that's one
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: of those EVENTS where, I knew i KNOW where, I
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: was i KNOW where i watched the, FIGHT that i
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: KNOW who i, WAS with i. Knew everything i'll never forget.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: That Night never i'd remember. That WELL but i did
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: watch it live with my family with the black cable
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: box that my dad had back in. The, day yeah.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: You're right it Was everywhere Late, that letterman, you know
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: all those GUYS.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: In, Cnsbc fox it was everywhere that had an outlook
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: that all people were. Talking about and it was a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: pay per view fight back in the day when you
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: had to actually either have a legal cable or you
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: bought the pay per.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: View and you had to, call, in right he had
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: to call in and give a code for.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: THE day i remember. That online you had to call
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: in his weight and, then, yeah, yep.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Man We, watched, YEAH no I mean i, really appreciated,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: you know, the movie kind Of letting mike speak. FOR
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: himself i always, think, that oh just a couple couple
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: of class quick things on the movie before we.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Head.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: OUT uh i wish he talked more About, don king
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: because we did a talked about A don king movie,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: last time AND he, i WROTE and i wrote some.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Things down he called a wretched, a reptilian said he
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: would kill his mother for. A, dollar despicable, you know
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: he went on a rent and then just it didn't
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: come back, to, It HONESTLY and i kind of wanted
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: more from his his side of it in, that movie
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: people don't like.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: Reliving Trauma don king brings a lot of Trauma To mike.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Tyson's life he's trying to take him. A Court don
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: king has done a lot of. Boxers wrong it's the
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: reason Why That don king doesn't have any fighters Today
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: And bob. Aaron does i'm Not saying Bob aarm is
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: is any Better Than don king's. Probably, worse however it
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: shows how things have gone over. The years usually when
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: you do, people wrong eventually that work gets out and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: you know it is what it. Is, Now again i'm
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: not OUVKAY from i think he's. Terrible too they're all. The,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: same however it's it definitely means Something that doc he don't,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: have nobody he don't have a single boxer and top
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: rank is still. Top ranked kind of tells the full
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: story right there.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: Well as always jameson, excellent conversation really. Fun episode let's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: get out of here and where can people find you on?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Social media I'm on twitter At. YOU jamison i always
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: love watching the fights. With y'all we haven't had a
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: big fight night as a group in. A while that might.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Change soon, but, uh man as long as there's, Fights on,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: i'm happy Just very i'm counting down to the. Main,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: Event man we've got a main event here In a,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: legion stadium, you know in a couple. OF months i.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: CAN'T wait i can't. Wait either and we're gonna be talking.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Way more if you if you get sick of Hearing About,
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