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Bengals Booth Podcast: I Am Unwritten · Bengals Booth Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hi again, everybody. I'm Dan Hoard, and thanks for downloading
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast, the I Am Unwritten edition. As
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  Speaker 1: a new season gets underway on Sunday, as the Bengals
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  Speaker 1: open in orange against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Coming up,
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  Speaker 1: DJ Turner has a new number and a new title. Captain,
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  Speaker 1: I'll go one-on-one with one of the Bengals' emerging stars.
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  Speaker 1: We'll also hear from one of my favorite NFL analysts,
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  Speaker 1: Greg Cosell from NFL Films, who shares his thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence, Cassius Howell, and much more. Then, in this
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  Speaker 1: week's Know the Foe segment, we'll check in with Jenna Lane,
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  Speaker 1: a little on the raunchy side. But if you like
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  Speaker 1: pop culture and laughter, then give Funny You Ask a listen. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's get to football. If you're heading to the game
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  Speaker 1: on Sunday, the Bengals have six words for you to
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind. Be early, get loud, wear orange. They'll
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  Speaker 1: be opening in orange for their third straight home opener,
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  Speaker 1: and Zach Taylor says the jungle can be a big factor,
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  Speaker 1: especially when Baker Mayfield and the Buccaneers have the ball.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as the second down play ends and the
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  Speaker 2: 42nd clock starts, Zach Robinson's trying to call the play
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  Speaker 2: to Baker in the headset. At 36, 35 seconds, that's
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  Speaker 2: when you've got to be at your loudest.
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  Speaker 3: So he's got to repeat it.
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  Speaker 2: So then when Baker gets in the huddle, he's got
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  Speaker 2: to repeat it again because the tight end on the
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  Speaker 2: other side can't hear it. And then when he gets
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  Speaker 2: to the line of scrimmage with hopefully six, five, and
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  Speaker 2: he's got to make an adjustment, they can't hear him.
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  Speaker 2: And they've got to take a timeout. So that's what
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  Speaker 2: home field advantage does for you. We've got a really
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  Speaker 2: smart fan base that has always given us that advantage.
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  Speaker 2: And so we've just got to have an environment that's unmatched.
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  Speaker 2: We're capable of that. I've seen it happen a million times.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really excited. I'm glad we're opening at home and
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  Speaker 2: give ourselves that opportunity. That is an advantage in week one,
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  Speaker 2: and we've got to take full advantage of it.
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  Speaker 1: The Bucs have some great weapons on offense, including second-year
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver Emeka Abuka out of Ohio State. If you
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  Speaker 1: think of all the great wide receivers the Buckeyes have
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  Speaker 1: had over the years, none of them caught more passes
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  Speaker 1: at OSU than Abuka. Tampa Bay's number one receiver will
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  Speaker 1: likely be shadowed by Bengals cornerback D.J. Turner, who sat
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  Speaker 1: down with me this week to discuss everything from his
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  Speaker 1: new number to his alma mater's controversial win in week one.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with your new number. You are wearing the
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  Speaker 1: number zero this year. It's got a lot of swag
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  Speaker 1: to it. Why did you want to wear zero?
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  Speaker 3: Literally just because it's got a lot of swag to it.
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  Speaker 3: That's really the only reason. I mean, and I wanted
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  Speaker 3: a new number. I wore five in college. Obviously, we
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  Speaker 3: know who has five. So I was like, what's a
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  Speaker 3: cool other number? And so I was 20, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, zero. So that's really how I just thought
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  Speaker 3: about that.
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  Speaker 1: In college football, single-digit numbers are used to reward players.
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  Speaker 1: It could be the toughest guy on the team, the
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  Speaker 1: best leader on the team, or whatever. Did you feel
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  Speaker 1: like when Zach Taylor said, yes, you can have zero,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of a reward for what you've done?
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  Speaker 3: 100%. Yes, 100%. And that's why I never even asked
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  Speaker 3: until after year three. And not for sure, it was
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  Speaker 3: definitely a big deal. When he gave it to me,
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  Speaker 3: I was definitely happy. Like I said, that was a
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  Speaker 3: big deal.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about another honor. You were named
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  Speaker 1: a captain earlier this week, one of seven on the
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  Speaker 1: team this year. You said, after the news came out,
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  Speaker 1: all I really care about is being respected by my teammates.
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  Speaker 1: You probably knew that you were respected by your teammates,
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  Speaker 1: but does this show how much? Because they vote on
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  Speaker 1: the captains.
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  Speaker 3: No, for sure. I mean, getting a captain is... I
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  Speaker 3: don't take that lightly at all. Um, that's an honor. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I just want to continue to be myself
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  Speaker 3: for the rest of my teammates. Um, that's really what
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  Speaker 3: got me to where I am right now. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what I'm going to continue to do.
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  Speaker 1: Your position coach, Chuck Burke said, DJ is trying to
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  Speaker 1: push everybody to be great. Is that what a captain does?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say so. It does no good for
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  Speaker 3: only one person to do good. Like it, it literally
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  Speaker 3: doesn't do any good. Um, And winning takes care of everything.
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  Speaker 3: So that's literally the only focus, the only goal is
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  Speaker 3: to win. And we all eat when we win.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go back to the first day of camp when
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  Speaker 1: you got into a scuffle with Jamar. You said, brothers fight.
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  Speaker 1: It's no big deal. But did that set a tone
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  Speaker 1: for how competitive the defense was going to be throughout camp?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely did. And I mean, but it set
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  Speaker 3: the tone on both ends. Jamar set the tone for
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  Speaker 3: the offense, and I set the tone for the defense,
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  Speaker 3: and we both were captains. So it was definitely just
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  Speaker 3: a tone setting for the entire team. The urgency, what
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  Speaker 3: you see what's going on, we're trying to win. Like
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  Speaker 3: I said, brother's fight, love Jamar to death, and now
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  Speaker 3: we're just excited to go and play Tampa now.
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  Speaker 1: You basically asked to cover him on every rep during
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  Speaker 1: training camp, and it was tremendous entertainment to watch you
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  Speaker 1: two guys compete. the cliche is if you cover him
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  Speaker 1: every day at practice, you can cover anybody in the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: but is that cliche how you feel about it?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, that's not cliche. That's, that's real. Um, like that,
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  Speaker 3: that is real. I mean, seeing the best every single
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  Speaker 3: day that, that, that only makes you better. And like
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  Speaker 3: I said, likewise for him, like I wanted to go
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  Speaker 3: into the season, going to our, going to the camp,
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  Speaker 3: making sure he got better too. Like it wasn't just
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  Speaker 3: about me. Like I said, this is an entire team.
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  Speaker 3: Like I wanted to, make sure he, I see the
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  Speaker 3: best every day. So I want to make sure he
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  Speaker 3: saw the best every day. Um, so we can both
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  Speaker 3: go out and have a crazy season.
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  Speaker 1: How good of a feeling is it when he's frustrated
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  Speaker 1: because you're blanketing him? Oh man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I'm a corner. That's literally what I
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  Speaker 3: get paid to do. So, I mean, yeah, that's, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it was great.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about some other wide receivers. What do you
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  Speaker 1: think of Dante Myers?
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  Speaker 3: Man, I love him. Uh, Funny thing is, I played
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  Speaker 3: him in high school. I don't even know if y'all
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  Speaker 3: know that.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: So he went to Norcross. I went to North Gwinnett.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Another Gwinnett person. You know, that's just what we do.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we do in Gwinnett. No, I'm real happy
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  Speaker 3: for him. His story. Yeah, I mean, it's just determination.
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  Speaker 3: That's really, that's all I see. And like I said,
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  Speaker 3: I don't have the same story as him, but I
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  Speaker 3: know what the mental lock-in is. I know how it
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  Speaker 3: is when you look at yourself in the mirror and
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  Speaker 3: be like, I'm going to do this element. That's exactly
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  Speaker 3: what he did. And I'm very excited for him to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, hit the field, you know, and just show
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  Speaker 3: what he's been working on.
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  Speaker 1: So when he showed up in January, did you go,
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  Speaker 1: wait a second, I know that guy.
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  Speaker 3: So I wasn't here. Remember, I showed up like right
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  Speaker 3: over like phase three minutes from minicamp. And I forgot
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  Speaker 3: what exactly it was. It was like Thursday or Friday.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it might have been a Friday. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But us two were the only one in the weight room.
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  Speaker 3: And so, you know, we was lifting or whatever. And
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  Speaker 3: he was playing music. He was playing music in the
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  Speaker 3: locker room. And all the music that he was playing
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  Speaker 3: was like high school Atlanta. And I was like, so
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  Speaker 3: I literally, I like, this is our first conversation. I
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  Speaker 3: go up to him. I say, where are you from?
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  Speaker 3: And then he was like, Norcross. I said, I knew it.
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  Speaker 3: I knew that we was from the same area. And
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  Speaker 3: so then we talked and then we was like, bro,
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  Speaker 3: I forgot. I forgot we played each other. We played
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  Speaker 3: each other my junior year in high school when he
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  Speaker 3: was at Norcross. I was at Norcross. All right.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't play against Colby Young in high school. I
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  Speaker 1: know that.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think of him?
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  Speaker 3: Good, good. Real big receiver. And like I said, he's
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  Speaker 3: just willing to learn, willing to work. That's all you
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  Speaker 3: really ask for when you come in as a rookie.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't come in thinking you know everything, then
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  Speaker 3: honestly you're good in my book. If you're just trying
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  Speaker 3: to work and just look around, you're in an NFL
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  Speaker 3: locker room. There's the 1% of the 1% in here
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  Speaker 3: in every locker room. So if you just observe and
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  Speaker 3: look around and try to better yourself, that's all you
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  Speaker 3: can ask for as a rookie.
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  Speaker 1: Let's turn to defense and your longtime teammate Dax Hill.
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  Speaker 1: He has proven he can play safety. He can play
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  Speaker 1: slot corner. But he has really thrived since playing outside.
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  Speaker 1: Has he found his best spot?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that. And I've said this since
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  Speaker 3: my second year in the league when he made the transition.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody in the league can do what Dex does. And
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  Speaker 3: I stamp that. I really believe that. He can literally
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  Speaker 3: play every single position in the secondary at a high level.
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  Speaker 3: No one else in the league can do that. For
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  Speaker 3: him to just be able to do that, and now
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  Speaker 3: he's really finding his groove and finding his way, I'm
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  Speaker 3: really excited for him. Like I said, I just can't
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  Speaker 3: wait until this season.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like you would like him to get more credit
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  Speaker 1: for that versatility.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's 100%.
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  Speaker 1: 100%.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people look at him for what he
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  Speaker 3: did for the outside corner, but His resume is just crazy.
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  Speaker 3: No one can do what he does. No one can
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  Speaker 3: do what he does. He definitely deserves more credit. But
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  Speaker 3: like I said, winning takes care of all that.
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  Speaker 1: You were not the only DJ to have a really
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  Speaker 1: good camp. DJ Ivy had an outstanding training camp. Where
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  Speaker 1: has he grown?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man. Ivy, he had a crazy camp. I tell
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  Speaker 3: him all the time. And we got a real close connection.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, we both the same class. Both DJ.
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  Speaker 3: We clicked as soon.
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  Speaker 4: As we met.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I've told him all the time, he learned
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  Speaker 3: really well. I mean, polished, on the line, finding the ball,
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  Speaker 3: going against T every day. I mean, it's not an
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  Speaker 3: easy task. And he took it and ran with it.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just so happy for him, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Last year, you shared with reporters the impact that meditation
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  Speaker 1: has had on your life and on your playing career.
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  Speaker 1: We are in such a stimulus world these days. We're
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  Speaker 1: constantly on our phones and our tablets, etc., I would
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  Speaker 1: think it would be hard for somebody your age to meditate.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have to learn it, essentially?
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  Speaker 3: 100%. Yes, that takes time. My first ones, I first
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  Speaker 3: started meditating in my second year in the league, right
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  Speaker 3: before I got hurt. I guess, like, so about three,
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  Speaker 3: four weeks before that, I started doing two minutes, three minutes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like, Then I'll work my way up to
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  Speaker 3: five minutes or whatever. And now, like I said, my
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  Speaker 3: morning routine now is I do a 15-minute meditation in
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  Speaker 3: the sauna. And so that definitely takes a lot of
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  Speaker 3: time to, you know, that's years of continuously. And like
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  Speaker 3: I said, I still have a lot of room to grow.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like that's my routine I do now. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm definitely trying to, you know, keep on
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  Speaker 3: going and getting better.
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  Speaker 1: So in the sauna, I was wondering if like if
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  Speaker 1: you were in the lotus position and if there were
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  Speaker 1: candles and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'll do it. My routine now is 15 minutes
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  Speaker 3: in the sauna just in the morning when I get
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  Speaker 3: here as part of just my morning routine.
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  Speaker 1: We have something in common, a love of travel. There
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  Speaker 1: was nothing I would rather spend money on than seeing
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  Speaker 1: parts of the world that I've never seen before. How
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  Speaker 1: did that develop for you?
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  Speaker 3: That's the single best thing I've ever done. It's the
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  Speaker 3: biggest investment you can possibly do to yourself. I am
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  Speaker 3: a huge advocate for traveling. Um, and like I said,
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  Speaker 3: and the people around me really encouraged me to like,
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  Speaker 3: so for example, I realized I was like, well, how
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  Speaker 3: did I get into traveling so much? And really my sister,
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  Speaker 3: when she went to study abroad, she went to study abroad. Um,
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  Speaker 3: while my junior year in college and my senior year
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  Speaker 3: in college, she was in Europe, she's in Greece. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, nah, nah, you're not about to see
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  Speaker 3: all the world. And I haven't. And so that's really what, um,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so like when I, Went to the league
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  Speaker 3: in my rookie offseason. I remember I texted my sister,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, all right, where should I go?
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  Speaker 3: And so she was like, and I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to go solo. And so she was like, I
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  Speaker 3: feel like Bali would be a good one. So I
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  Speaker 3: was like, Bali would be a good one. And so
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  Speaker 3: literally I went to Bali, and I wanted to go
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  Speaker 3: to Tokyo. And so when I did that, I looked
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  Speaker 3: at the layover. The layover was in Tokyo. So I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, I'm going to just stay a week
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  Speaker 3: in Tokyo, a week in Bali. And ever since then,
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  Speaker 3: like I said, I take solo trips. I take a
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  Speaker 3: solo trip every year, and then I take a trip
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  Speaker 3: with one of my best friends, his name's Chance. We
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  Speaker 3: have been to, in my three years, like, so this
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  Speaker 3: year we went to Vietnam, the previous year we went
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  Speaker 3: to Bangkok, Singapore, Dubai, and the, I forgot, oh, Koh Samui,
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  Speaker 3: the island of Bangkok. So we've been to that, and
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  Speaker 3: that was just with me, and then solo, I've been
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  Speaker 3: to Bali, Tokyo, I've India. I've been to a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I've been to a lot.
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  Speaker 1: This is crazy to me now because my oldest sister,
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  Speaker 1: who's eight years older than me, was an exchange student
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  Speaker 1: in Argentina. And that's what made me obsessed with travel.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Because I really sat down. This is recently, too.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I know I love travel, but
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  Speaker 3: how did I get into it? I just always ask that.
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  Speaker 5: Why?
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  Speaker 1: How?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, that's why. And that's exactly why.
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  Speaker 3: And my sister, she flew for free because my aunt
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  Speaker 3: worked for United. So she was really just, and I
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  Speaker 3: was all, no, you're not about to leave me. And
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  Speaker 3: I just, yeah, I just took it to the extreme.
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  Speaker 1: How excited are you to play in Madrid?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I actually wanted to go to Madrid. Like, previously,
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  Speaker 3: just I wanted to go to Madrid.
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  Speaker 5: And.
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  Speaker 3: when I saw that on the schedule, I was like, perfect.
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  Speaker 3: And then it's almost on my birthday. Like my birthday
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  Speaker 3: is November 9th. We play November 8th. I mean, I
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: might as well say I'm in Madrid.
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  Speaker 1: It's your birthday trip.
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  Speaker 3: It's my birthday trip. So I'm really excited. And I'm
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: playing the Falcons back at home. So I'm really excited.
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  Speaker 1: It's good stuff. Let's get back to defense for a second.
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  Speaker 1: Describe Dexter Lawrence on and off the field.
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  Speaker 3: On the field. Everybody knows on the field. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's dominant. I mean, he's just, yeah, like he just
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  Speaker 3: dominates the game. I'm so excited for him to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: really show what he can do. He's shown it, but
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  Speaker 3: it's different when you change teams and everyone's just, everyone's Dexter, Dexter,
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  Speaker 3: like everyone, you know, it's a lot of pressure and
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited for him because I know he's going to
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  Speaker 3: embrace it and then show exactly what he can do.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Teddy bear off the field, grizzly bear on it. Yeah,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: sound about right. I think nationally people look at the
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: additions that the Bengals made on defense and the feeling is, well,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: they're probably better, but how much better are they going
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: to be? How eager are you to get on that
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: field on Sunday and show, all right, this is what
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: the Bengals' defense is about?
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait. Like I said, when people just say,
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: what does it want to look like or whatever, the
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: film speaks for itself. I'm not everyone sitting here. I'm
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: so confident in this defense, the energy and everything that
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: we've been doing. And we just got to put it
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: on film now. That's the only thing we have to do.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: And we just keep on doing that, keep on stacking
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: every week, win every week, and we're going to control
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: our destiny.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Is opening day hard as a defensive player because you
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: don't quite know what the other team's going to do?
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it can be for sure, but it's hard for everybody,
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: so that means nothing at all. We're just on goal
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: and take as much information as we can, apply it,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: and play ball.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: You were a Pro Bowl alternate last year. Is it
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: important to you to be a Pro Bowler?
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: Nah.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would love it for sure, but like
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I said, I mean... My biggest thing is really the captain.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Like I got the respect of my teammates and everything
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: else will come. Like everything else will come. Like we win,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: get better every day. Everything else will come. Like for sure,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: of course, winning, being pro bowl and all pro and
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: all that is definitely milestones you want to reach. But
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not, it's not like a, I'm not going to
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: determine my season off of that because like I said,
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: like last year, I feel like I had a great season,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: but I didn't get that. So it's like, am I
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: going to tell myself I had a bad season because
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: of it? No. So when I go into this year,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not even going to focus on that.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: And I'm just going to focus on getting better every day,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: getting better for the team and making everybody around me better.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Final crucial question. Did Michigan deserve that win?
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Did they deserve it? I mean, I don't know if
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: they deserved it, but We're going to shake back. We're
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: going to shake back. And I saw something that just
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: came out, too, on that. You saw that yesterday? And
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: it was apparently like they're calling in and trying to
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: get it overturned.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: The MAC is trying to get it overturned. But the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: NCAA has already said there's no procedure for doing that.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: Oh, they did?
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Okay. Well, we want to know. We want to know.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: But it shouldn't be that close, though. But, I mean,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: like I said, stuff happened. The ball is football. And,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: you know, we got Oklahoma, though, this week. So there's no...
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: We got Oklahoma, so we'll see.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Congratulations on a tremendous season last year. Thank you for
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: entertaining me with your daily battles with Jamar Chase during
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: training camp. Best of luck in 2026.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: No, I appreciate it. Thank you very much.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: Coming up next, one of my favorite NFL analysts, Greg
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Cosell from NFL Films. But first, here's a quick reminder
• 18:29
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• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and we are coming out of the gates with one
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: of my favorite guests, the great Greg Cosell from NFL
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Films and the ESPN Matchup Show. Greg, let's start with
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the Bengals' biggest off-season move, literally and figuratively. the trade
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: for Dexter Lawrence. He's attended every offseason meeting. He appears
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to be in great shape. He sounds motivated. If the
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Bengals get the best version of Dexter Lawrence, what are
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: they getting?
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Well, Dexter Lawrence at his best is a top three
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: D-tackle in the league. He is a dominant, dominant player. And,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: you know, there were times in the last couple of
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: years that he just wrecked games.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: So, you know, he's not old. You know, You know
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: how it is.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: When you're on a bad team, people don't think about
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: you very much and people lose sight of how good
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: players are.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, I see that all the time.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: I'm fortunate enough to do some radio in Nashville and
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: someone like Jeffrey Simmons, who is just a dominant, dominant force,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: I bet there's not a lot of people when you
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: start talking D tackles immediately say Jeffrey Simmons because the
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: Titans are a bad team and have been for the
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: last couple of years. You know, Giants were a bad
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: team last year, so right away people said, well, gee,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Dexter Lawrence isn't as good as he was. You know,
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's necessarily true based on studying him
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: on tape, but he's a dominant player.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: And he will instantly make that defense.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: The one thing he will really help, too, are the
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: two second-year linebackers in their 5-2, because you're going to
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: go with Carter and Knight, who both had ups and
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: downs as rookies, but both showed that they could play
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: in the lead, and that will help a lot.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: So they traded for Dexter, and they spent $ 125 million
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: on defensive free agents, Brian Cook, Boye Mafe, Jonathan Allen,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and others. How much better... is the defensive personnel.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Well, I think, you know, again, the game's not played
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: on paper, as you know, but they needed, clearly, over
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: these last couple of years, they needed to upgrade the defense.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: So I assume, you know, looking at their base defense,
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I assume you're going to have Murphy and Moffey on
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: the outside in their 5-2. I would guess, is it Allen, Warren,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: would it be Slayton as the third guy.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Inside, do you think?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Can be B.J.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Hill.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Can be slate. And they've got a lot of depth
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: at defensive tackle, Chris Jenkins, the rookie Landon Robinson. They've
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: got a bunch of guys that they can rotate in,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: in the middle.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: But I mean, if you're talking about defending the run,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: if you talk about Alan.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Lawrence and slate, and that's a, that's a pretty good,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, slate is a, is a big man as
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: well with pretty light feet. So, you know, you have
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: to figure that the run defense is going to be
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: significantly better. Um, you know, they needed help clearly at safety.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I, you know, Cook, I've always liked Cook,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: you know, you know him well because of where he
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: played college ball. And I always liked him coming out.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: I thought he was a little more athletic than people
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: gave him credit for because when he came out and
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: I did him, of course, evaluated him, a lot of
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: people just immediately said, oh, well, he's, you know, he's
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: a box player. And I thought he was better than that.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: And I'm not saying he's Earl Thomas, you know, he's
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: going to be, you know, a post-safety who can run
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: sideline to sideline. But the way Spaggs used him in, um,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: In KC, he was not just a box player by
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: any means. And, you know, I think he's a good player.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: We're visiting with Greg Cosell. I always look forward to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: seeing you every year at the NFL Scouting Combine. You
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: do extensive study of about 200 draft prospects every year.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: All of the Bengals draft picks have made their initial
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: 53-man roster. What did you think of Cassius Howell, Takario
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Bobo Davis, Connor Liu, Colby Young, and anybody else you
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: might want to throw in?
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: How will I watch for a couple of years? And
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: he is truly explosive. And I don't know what he's
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: done in camp. I mean, you're there.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Obviously, I'm not there every day, so I can't speak
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: to what the day-to-days are. Because what people don't understand,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: and you understand this, Dan, you've been doing this a
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: long time, is the day-to-day is more important to coaches
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: than the 40 snaps in the preseason games. They've been
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: with him every day since it started, since OTAs, minicamp,
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: training camp. So but how I really, really liked a lot,
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: you know, knowing what he is. I remember watching I
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: forget what game it was where he had three sacks
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: on three consecutive plays in college. And, you know, you
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: just you just see the explosiveness. I mean, quite frankly,
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: he was just as explosive to me as Bailey, who
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: was what the fourth pick in the draft.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: So we'll see. I mean, you know. Like I said,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: Going to ask him early on to play 50 or
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: 60 snaps a game, but I think he'll be a
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: situational player.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Greg, a big topic of conversation here in Cincinnati throughout
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: camp was the number of snaps and reps that the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Bengals offense had with Joe Burrow under center as opposed
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: to in the shotgun. If they're more effective and more
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: efficient with Joe Burrow under center, what do you think
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: that would do for the Bengals offense?
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I've always liked it and talked about it through the
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: years for this reason.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Number one, I think that it really gives your run
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: game a lot more diversity. But number two, in the
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: play-action-pass game, I think it's really beneficial because it takes
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: longer for second-level defenders to have to decide and decipher
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: whether it's run or pass. That's one reason. Another reason is,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: particularly if you run some kind of mid-zone or outside zone,
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: as you run fake, very often defensive linemen's first step
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: is lateral. and when their first step is lateral in
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: a game of milliseconds, that's a big deal. Because now
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: they're not going vertically toward the quarterback, they're going laterally
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: because of the run element. And then, given that, it
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: gives your quarterback just that little more time, and now
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: you can work down the field in your pass game.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Because the majority of the big pass plays in the Bengals'
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: pass game come on.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: The outside because Burrow will always attack the one-on-ones, and
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: you've got two really good Arguably the best receiver in
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: the game in Chase and another really good long ball
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: receiver in Higgins with his size and his movement. But
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: the majority of those long plays come outside the numbers
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: on either fade balls or go routes. So now if
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: you go play action, you can tend to work the
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: middle of the field more, so it makes your pass.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Game more expansive.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Back in June, Joe Burrow said he had similar feelings
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: about this team as he felt about LSU going into
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the 2019 season. We know how that turned out. They
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: averaged 48 points a game. They were pretty good. When
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you heard that, did you chuckle or did that force
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: you to take notice that Joe Burrow thinks he might
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: have a special team this year in Cincinnati?
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Well, look, like I said, I watch the tape a lot.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: We know what Burrow is. We don't need to spend
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: a lot of time on him when he's healthy, and
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I didn't. rewatch his, I guess it was his final
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: six games. When he came back, it was the final
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: six games of the season. So I watched every one
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: of his dropbacks in those games. You know, there's no
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: issue with borrow. And by the way, he was outstanding
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: on third down in this final six games.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: And obviously third down is the money down.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: But one thing I was really looking for in those games,
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: because obviously it's been an.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Issue over the years is the old line.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: And to be quite frank, to be honest with you, I, I,
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: I thought it got better. I thought Mims really improved
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: as the year progressed. I thought that he was good
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: in pass protection. I mean, you're talking about a big
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: man that has really good balance, body control.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: He's got light feet for a size.
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Um, you know, I thought he did a really, really
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: good job in pass pro down the stretch. So I
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: think the old line was, you know, clearly improving. Um,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: And I think, isn't it the same old line as
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: a year ago? They start this year.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all five starters are back. The only person they
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: had to re-sign was Dalton Reisner. And once he moved
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: into the starting lineup with seven games to go, that
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: group played well.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean, that's what I said. I watched
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Chase Brown. I watched Burroughs, all of his dropbacks in
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: the last six games. And I didn't come away from
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: that feeling that the old line was a problem. you know,
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: I thought it was, it was more than serviceable. And,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: you know, saying that Cincinnati over what's been the case is,
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: is probably saying it was great, you know, but, uh,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: you know, so I think that, um, you know, it
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: has a chance.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Look, they got the veteran Brown and left tackle.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: I think Mims has a chance to be one of
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: the best five or six right tackles in the game,
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: you know, maybe even better depending on his development, um,
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: you know, his commitment to being a great player because
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: the traits are clearly there. Um, So, you know, I
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: would expect this offense to be really, really good. You know, look,
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: we know what's happened in the past with games where
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: they've scored 33, 35, and they've lost. You know, I mean,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: the killer game last year, you know, of course, was
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: that Bears game where they go ahead and then, you know,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Loveland scores the touchdown with.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: What, you know, 20 seconds to go. You know, in
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: a play that just can't happen. That's the kind of
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: play that just can't happen in the NFL.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: But, I mean, this offense, even with an O-line at
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: times being an issue in recent seasons, when Burrow's been.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Healthy, They score points.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: A couple more questions from my friend Greg Cosell. You've
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: mentioned Amarius Mims and Chase Brown, two young players who
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: are ascending in Cincinnati. Let me ask you about two more,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: DJ Turner and Dax Hill.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: I thought Turner was getting better and better. Look, we
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: know he can run. The biggest question when he came
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: out to me was just the size because he's a
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: slight guy.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: He's not short.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: It's not like he's 5'9, but he's just slight, the
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: body type.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: But I think he's gotten better and better.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: I think he's a solid outside corner, and that's where
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: they'll keep him, you know, because obviously they've been moving
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: corners around. You know, they had Taylor Britt, who's not
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: there anymore. I think they were uncertain about Newton, what he,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: you know, what he was. And obviously he's now sort
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: of out of the mix, even when they go nickel.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: But Dax Hill, you know, you and I talked about
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: this a number of times over the years.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: I remember doing him in detail at Michigan because he
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: was considered a really good prospect, as he was. And
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: in Michigan, and I actually think Mike McDonald was there
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: for one of those years that he was in Michigan.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Because I remember he had a great sack on a blitz.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: That was an NFL blitz.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: And I remember looking up to see, oh, Mike McDonald's
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: the defensive coordinator.
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: But he played safety in Michigan's base and nickel when
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: they went nickel. And in watching his tape, and I
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: made this in my notes, I said, I thought with
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: his size and his movement that it would not surprise
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: me if someone saw him as an outside corner. And
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: obviously it took a couple of years, but Cincinnati made
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: the move officially kind of last year.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: And I think he's really good. I think he has
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: a chance to be a really, really good corner. And,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: you know, they'll keep him there now. That'll be his position.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: And I think he can essentially do anything you ask
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: of an outside corner. I think he can play press.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I think he can play off.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: He can run. He's long. He's athletic. He's physical.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, again, you're dealing with a Bengals
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: defense that's not been very good over the years.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: So people don't think about their players very often. But
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: I think he has a chance to be a really
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: good corner.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Greg, the Bengals open against Tampa Bay. The Bucs started
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: last year 6-2. They won on the road in Seattle,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and then they limped to the finish line and finished 8-9.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: What do you think of Tampa Bay going into this season,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: and in what ways are they dangerous?
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, obviously Baker,
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: I've always been.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: A Baker fan as a player.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't worry about the other stuff, and
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: I think it's been clear from, you know, a lot
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: of people saw our quarterback show on on Netflix, you know,
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: that we did here at Films.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's clearly a mature person.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: You know, when he came in the league, you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: there are a lot of people that worried about that,
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: but he's clearly mature. You know, when he's healthy, I mean, he,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: I think he's a really good quarterback. He's a really
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: good thrower of the football. I don't think people realize
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: how good a thrower of the football he is. You
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: talk to other quarterbacks in the league and they bring
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: him up without even you mentioning him as about guys
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: who are really high level throwers. Um, For some reason
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: last year, I don't know if it was due to injury.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: I know Wirfs missed some time in the left tackle.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: It was a really good left tackle.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: But the O-line was not as good a year ago
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: as it had been. And Baker was under a lot
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: of duress. A lot of people talked about his yards scrambling.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: He doesn't want to play like that. That became a necessity, not, oh,
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: let me run around. That's not the way he wants.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Just like Burrow. Burrow doesn't want to run around. He
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: doesn't want to play like that. So I would assume
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: the O-line He'll be better. It'll be interesting to see
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: the running back situation because I like Bucky Irving, but
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: he's under 200 pounds. And I know they picked up Gainwell.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: Kenny Gainwell was a really good football player, by the way.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: But I'm curious to see what the division of labor is,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: because I really like Irving. I don't think he's a
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: 280 carry guy. You know, I don't think you can
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: ask him to do that. I think, you know, he's
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: one of those 200 carry guys. And I think he
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: could be really, really good. So I'm curious to see there. Defensively,
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: they're always a tough defense to play against because of
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Todd Bowles. You never know how he sees an opponent,
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: but his blitz packages are really difficult to figure out.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: So we'll see. Burrow is the kind of guy, though,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: that he's so... Look, the game for the quarterback has changed.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: It used to be guys could be great pre-snap with
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: and therefore they could control the game. But now what's
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: happened a lot is there's so much post-snap coverage movement
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: by defenses that it's become even more of a post-snap
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: game for quarterbacks than a pre-snap game. You know, we
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: used to watch the Bradys, the Brees, the Mannings.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: They controlled the game before the snap of the ball.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: And I actually think Burrow is fantastic pre-snap. He's one
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: of sort of a dying breed. Aaron Rodgers is probably
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: the true last of the dying breed guys that are
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: just dominant pre-snap players. But now there's so much coverage
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: rotation post-snap that, you know, and it's a game of milliseconds.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: So you've got to be able to see that instantly,
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: which a guy like Burrow can. So it'll be interesting
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: to see, you know, how that plays out because Todd
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Bowles does a lot defensively. It's not, you know, it's
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: like playing Brian Flores, you know, it's that kind of stuff.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: There's just so much going on. It's a difficult assignment.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I could do this for another hour, but you will
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: never say yes again if I do. So I'm going
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: to let you go. Greg, this has been a treat.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: It's a great way for us to begin this segment
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: for the 2026 season. Thank you for your time and
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: your expertise, and I look forward to doing it again
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: down the road.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: Thanks, Dan.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Always appreciate it. Love talking with you.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Finally, it's time for this week's Know the Foe segment
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: as we get the lowdown on the Buccaneers from Jenna Lane,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: who covers the team for ESPN. She joined Wayne Box
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Miller and me on the Bengals game plan show this week. Jen,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in going back just first to last year
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: because the Bucs got off to a tremendous start. They
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: were 6-2. They had a road win at Seattle. And
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: then after the bye, they really struggled and finished a
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: game below.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: 500.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Tell us all what happened last year.
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: A lot of things did, but it's really interesting because
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: on paper, things should have gotten better for them considering
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: that they got off to that 6-2 start with a
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: lot of injuries. And we're talking, you know, Mike Evans
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: being injured, Chris Godwin starting the season off with an injury,
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: Tristan Wirfs not beginning the season. Out there playing because
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: he had a hamstring injury. I'm sorry, a knee injury,
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: a hamstring injury he was dealing with this year. And
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: then on top of that, in week two, he lost,
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: you know, two members of his starting offensive line as well.
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: But they're able to pull out these wins. And then
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: you would think. The stars were the line for them
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: towards the end of the season. You know, worse could
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: could come back and get healthy. And then, of course,
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: Mike Evans, Jalen McMillan, McMillan suffered a horrific neck injury,
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: fractured three vertebrae at the beginning of the season, actually
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: before the season and preseason. It was their preseason game
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: at Pittsburgh. It's remarkable that he's made it back. And
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: then Mike Evans with his broken collarbone. And so you
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: would think that things were coming together for them at
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: the end of the season. And we've been very accustomed
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: to them having like these really hot starts, mid-season slumps,
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: and then they're able to, you know, just make a
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: dash for the finish line. And they've also benefited from
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: a weaker NFC South division that's helped them down the stretch.
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: But that wasn't the case this past year. And I
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: know a lot of fans were really disappointed with what
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: they saw last They've tried to make some corrections, though,
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: that can hopefully help them. But that's been one of
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: their biggest kind of question marks is why do they
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: have these midseason slumps? that they just seem to struggle with.
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: And why was it this past year that they couldn't
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: climb out of it? And I think it was just
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: a combination of so many things, so many injuries. I
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: didn't even mention Bucky Irving, how many games that they
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: were without him. And then they had a first-time offensive coordinator,
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: which in previous years, that wasn't as much of an issue.
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: But I just think in combination with all those injuries,
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: I think it was just really hard for them to
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: get all those pieces to gel. And then on the
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: defensive side of the ball, you don't have enough depth.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: you're going to give up plays like a fourth and
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: 28 against the Falcons. You're going to give up a
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: two-touchdown lead against the Falcons on Thursday night, and those
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: kinds of games will cost you.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: You know, Jen, I was thinking about you hate to
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: see what happened to Mike Evans, but in the same breath,
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: now that he's gone, Emeka Ibuka was Baker's guy, and
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: so you go into this next season with the comfort
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: level there that had Mike played a full season and
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: been his go-to guy, you would have had to adjust
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: to a new number one. So in some ways, I
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: think that helped Baker and his offense. Do you feel
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: the way?
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the fact that, and Emeka's talked about this,
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: the fact that he was thrown into the fire last year,
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: what's really interesting, though, is that, you know, he's not
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: a true ex. And the position that he was practicing
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: a lot throughout camp was often times, you know, the
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: Z and the F and, and, you know, he was
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: doing a lot of, of the types of things you'd
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: want from like a Chris Godwin. And then all of
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: a sudden when the season rolls around, he's suddenly having
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: to fill in for Mike. He never could really get
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: settled into one position. And that was something that Zach Robinson,
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: their offensive coordinator who came over from the Falcon, um,
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: that was something that he was really excited about just
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: getting him to kind of settle in on one position.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: And some guys have said, they think that maybe a
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: Bucco was stretched a little thin last year and that
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: he was forced to do a lot of that. And that,
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: you know, maybe they took advantage a little bit of
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: the fact that he is such a smart guy and
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: it's like, okay, yes. Can he do this? Yes. Is
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: it in his best interest as far as developing him along?
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: Maybe no, but they had to do it out of necessity.
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: But now, um, they have a bunch of guys that
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: can all kind of play similar roles and, you know,
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: that Z, that F position. And I think that kind of,
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: that'll allow them to kind of spread the ball around,
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: whether it's to a Mecca. And I think what he does,
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: he really doesn't get enough credit for what he does
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: with his yak. You've got a really healthy Chris Godwin
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: who had a great training camp. You've got McMillan, who
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: I mentioned. And then they've also got Ted Hurst and
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: Tez Johnson. Tez Johnson, he had five touchdowns last year,
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: was not expected to get a lot of opportunity last year,
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: but he did out of necessity. And he told me
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: last week when I talked to him just how much
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: more prepared he feels this year for that moment and
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: how much he grew from being thrown into the fire.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: We are visiting with Jenna Lane, who covers Tampa Bay
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Buccaneers for ESPN. Let's talk about Baker Mayfield's Contract extension.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: They got a deal done for three years yesterday, $ 55
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: million a year. I think we all know or at
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: least perceive that Baker Mayfield thrives on feeling disrespected. So
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think that it was necessarily going to be
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a problem for him if it didn't get done. But
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I wonder about the other guys on the team. There
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: would have been questions about it all year. It sounds
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like he's very popular with his teammates today. Maybe they
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: would have felt that he deserved to have a deal done.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Am I on to something there?
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: All the guys are really happy for him. I mean,
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: there were a lot of jokes in the locker room today.
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: The offensive lineman wanted to know what are going to
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: be the Christmas gifts this year. I know Dylan McMillan
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: was like, I need to borrow some money. Like, I wonder,
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: and I'm like, don't look at me. I'm going to
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: ask Baker. We got a joke. We joked about that. But,
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: you know, and it's not just him, of course. Vita Bea,
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: who is a guy that a lot of opposing offenses, they,
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: he's a guy that they have circled because he's just
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: such a pain to deal with. And he's just so
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: big and he can move really well for a big guy.
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: And he's a key reason why, you know, Aaron Rogers
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: had some difficult moments in that NFC championship game. And,
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: and also Patrick Mahomes in the super bowl, stepping, stepping
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: up into that pocket and being able to make his throws.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: He was just collapsing that interior, that pocket. When you
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: have two guys, it's so rare for this organization to
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: have players that make their grievances public. And so when
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: you have two guys that are doing that, you really wonder,
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: is team morale going downhill? I think they did a
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: good job. And I give a lot of credit to
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: Baker for showing the leadership. Like when they assembled everybody,
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: when they got together for camp, he assembled everybody and
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: he just said, hey guys, look, my contract situation is
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: what it is, but I'm all about ball right now.
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: And I promise you, I'm going to give it everything
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: I have. And every player that I talked to about
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: that just said, like, they knew all those things. You know,
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: I think Baker even said he did a lot of
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: that more so for some of the guys that maybe
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: didn't know him because they did bring in a lot
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: of new pieces. But just that that really reaffirmed their
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: belief in him and, you know, that they knew that
• 40:36
  Speaker 7: he was going to give it his all. And I
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: think it goes a long way as far as morale when...
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: you know, you, you can take care of your guys
• 40:44
  Speaker 7: and it may not go the way you want to, um,
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: from the jump. I mean, I saw it with Mike Evans.
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: He had a contract dispute, which was really kind of
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: the first one of those I can recall in recent memory.
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: you know, when they were ultimately able to get a
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: deal done with Evans after that. And of course he
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: did go on to the 49ers, but, but after that
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: dispute in 2023, they were able to come together on
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: a two-year deal after that. So I think they see
• 41:09
  Speaker 7: that maybe these things don't always work out from the jump,
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: but if you can just be patient and you stay
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: committed to the team and most of all, like to
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: each other and, good things can happen. So I know
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: they were all really thrilled for Baker today. They were
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: really supportive of him. And I think this is going
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: to go a long way for team morale.
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: You know, talk about Diaby. Quarterback pressures last year, 32
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: really gets back to the quarterback. Todd Bowles' defense typically
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: is tough against the run, but against the pass, not
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: so good. Do you see that improving this year, or
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: is that still going to be a challenge that they're
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: going to have to rise to?
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: Well, I know you're watching them really closely. If you
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: bring up the obvious name, because he's a guy that
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: doesn't get a lot of credit because he doesn't get
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: those sacks, but he does get a lot of consistent pressure.
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: And they're really excited about the fact that they have
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: a guy on the opposite side of him, Ruben Bain Jr.
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: And that they can really kind of play off each other.
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: And obviously Bain was really highly touted coming out of Miami.
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: And they think the combination of those guys, um, also
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: to bringing in a Sean Robinson up the middle, you know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: they really wanted to get stronger and more physical, um,
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: they know that they weren't able to kind of get those.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: That's the thing, like in those games, like the Falcons game,
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: you know, you don't get those fourth quarter sacks. You
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: don't pressure the quarterback, you know, and especially in a
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: system like Bowles' where it's a high risk, high reward.
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: If you're taking those risks with those blitzes and you're
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: not getting home, well, that's when those balls go sailing
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: over players' heads and that's when you give up those
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: big plays. So they're just really hoping that, you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: they can help Diaby out. You know, they're hoping a
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: healthy Kalijah can't see up the middle. you know, paired
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: with Vita Veya can really kind of make that engine go,
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: you know, not just the hobby, but they're just really
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: excited about the depth that they have at edge rusher.
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: Todd Bowles feels like this is around, you know, like
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: they haven't had this kind of depth along their defensive
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: line since maybe the Super Bowl and especially at edge rusher.
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: They have some rotational guys that really don't get mentioned either.
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: David Walker had a tremendous training camp. He was a
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: fourth round pick two years ago. We didn't see him
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: last year because he tore his ACL like at the
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: very beginning of training camp. He had a series of practices,
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: nine straight practices where he had at least one would-be sack.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: That was really impressive. So I think he's a guy
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: that you put him in certain spots, I think he
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: can really get after it. They signed Al-Qadi Mohammed as
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: well in free agency. He had 11 sacks for the
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: Lions last year, and he's not even listed as a starter.
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: So they've really tried to get better in that department.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like they succeeded. That is an impressive
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: list of pass rushers. What is considered to be the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: biggest question mark for the Bucs going into the season?
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: Well, I mentioned those big plays that were given up,
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: and I think it's fair to say that that could
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: be a concern again this year because of the fact
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: that you look at this receiving core that they have. And,
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: you know, I think that's been a concern of mine, honestly,
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: with this team for a few years now, whether or
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: not it's not just the receivers or it's not just
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: the cornerbacks that they have, but also... You know, it's
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: the depth there. You know, they, as of right now, like,
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: they've got Zion McCollum, who, you know, he's a good,
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: good player, but he's also had some inconsistent moments. He's
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: a sixth-round draft pick, but he's been a starter for
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: a few years now, and he's been a bit streaky.
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: He has some moments where he's really good, and then
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: he has other instances in games where he has lacked
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: eye discipline. And I know he's worked really hard to
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: kind of overcome some of those issues in camp, I
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: want to say he had the first interception and like that,
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: I think that really set the tone for this is
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: as much different defense. Um, and then Benjamin Morrison is
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: a guy that they, they draft them the second round,
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: but he's not slated to start right now. It's actually
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: a guy that was drafted behind him, Jacob Parrish, who
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: is an undersized corner at a, uh, um, K-State, and
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: he's a good player, but he is undersized. He tends
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: to make up for his physical shortcomings with just his
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: sheer athleticism, but those are two guys on the outside
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: that I expect them to get tested. They often are.
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: I think Morrison is probably going to step in on
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: the outside, and then Parrish goes in on the inside,
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: and I think anytime you have that as well, sometimes
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: you can run into some some challenges when you've got
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: moving pieces. So, you know, it's going to be really
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: interesting to see, you know, with their secondary and against
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: these receivers.
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: You know, Chase McLaughlin, your kicker, a big foot, but
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: he's in the final year, I guess, a deal and
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: a three-year deal. But, man, 65 yarder. I mean, we've
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: got a guy with a big gun for a foot.
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: Talk about your expectations of him and special teams this year.
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, well, in special teams, I mean, he's
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: one of those consistent guys that you can always really
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: count on. And I just give him a lot of
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: credit because even if he has a day where for
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: some reason he makes an off kick, I think his
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: just ability to kind of snap and clear and come
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: back from it. Like, he's probably one of the mentally
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: toughest kickers I've come across. I think he's just got
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: a very even-keeled personality. And so that when you trot
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: him out on the field in those pressure-packed moments, he's
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: just able– to deliver. I think he's done a great job.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: I think his ability from 50 plus yards, I think is,
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  Speaker 7: is really quite impressive. On the flip side of that though,
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  Speaker 7: the rest of their special teams, you know, they had
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  Speaker 7: to make a lot of changes this year. You know,
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  Speaker 7: that's why they brought in Danny Smith from the Pittsburgh Steelers.
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  Speaker 7: They feel very fortunate that they were able to get
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  Speaker 7: him from that Mike Tomlin coaching staff, because they just
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  Speaker 7: really struggled with their coverage units last year. So they're,
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  Speaker 7: they're hoping for some improvement there. You know, that's also
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  Speaker 7: why they went out and they prioritize the signing of
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  Speaker 7: a guy who made it to the Pro Bowl for
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  Speaker 7: special teams in Miles Killebrew. So they've done a lot
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  Speaker 7: of overhauling in that department.
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