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Tamika Mallory Calls Out Panini's Lack Of Black Leadership, Talks Corporate Diversity + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody's dej Envy Charlamagne the guy. We are the breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: I guess co host Claudia Jordan is here, Yes, indeed,
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  Speaker 2: and we got a special guest in the buildings to
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  Speaker 2: meek A Mallory.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Hey, hey, are you having me? I'm excited to
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  Speaker 4: be here. It's been a while, a long time. You
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 5: They invite me, and I say, no, really, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: But you got a lot of work that you're doing
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  Speaker 6: right now. You gotta get to worry out about some things.
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  Speaker 4: A lot happening. I say.
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  Speaker 5: I've been telling people that the movement is on all
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  Speaker 5: cylinders right now. It's so many things, so many cases.
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  Speaker 5: Actually I wrote stuff down for bruh. I gotta really
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  Speaker 5: know what h to inform people about. But there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot happening. I think you know. The overall thing that
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  Speaker 5: we need to know is that our country is in
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  Speaker 5: big trouble and everyone, everybody is going to suffer as
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  Speaker 5: a result. But whenever we in trouble, black folks, brown people,
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  Speaker 5: we suffer the most.
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  Speaker 3: And you tried to tell them we in a state
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  Speaker 3: of emergency. You got your books sitting right here.
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  Speaker 5: It is a state of emergency indeed, and it's getting worse.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you and I talk about this all the time.
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  Speaker 5: To me, it feels like it's getting worse. I think
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  Speaker 5: also because a lot of people are so numb they
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  Speaker 5: don't really want to focus anymore. And that's dangerous because
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  Speaker 5: there's just too many things to do, too much to
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  Speaker 5: know about, and we just need to be well informed
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  Speaker 5: about what we're up against. And I think that you know,
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  Speaker 5: being able to call it what it is, that white supremacy,
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  Speaker 5: excuse me, and white vigilanteism is on the rise. And
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  Speaker 5: of course we're dealing with issues within our own community,
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  Speaker 5: with mental health problems and poverty, cause and violence. There
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  Speaker 5: is a tension and a feeling in the country that
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure you all feel, and it's really dangerous.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a comfortable space.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, I don't think it gets better just
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  Speaker 5: by us ignoring the problem.
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  Speaker 7: How do you think we get around this fatigue? Because
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  Speaker 7: I do notice there is a fatigue. Right, It seemed
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  Speaker 7: like we were all all hands on deck maybe twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 7: in the height of all the George Floyds were protesting
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  Speaker 7: all that. Everybody seemed like, all right, we on this
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  Speaker 7: and it seemed like everyone just kind of fell off.
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  Speaker 7: Every people, thank God for you, but it seems like
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  Speaker 7: there's a lot of fatigue right now, Like people say,
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  Speaker 7: I'm tired of hearing.
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  Speaker 5: About it, and I think people also, First of all,
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  Speaker 5: movements always are up and down. They never stay consistent
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  Speaker 5: at one pace. It's impossible. People have to get back
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  Speaker 5: to their lives. Folks have families and things that they
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  Speaker 5: have to do, so that's normal. But there is a
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  Speaker 5: fatigue that, unfortunately, I think doesn't change until people feel
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  Speaker 5: so uncomfortable that they have no choice but to get
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  Speaker 5: back in the game. And you know, we try to
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  Speaker 5: continuously sound the alarm by making sure folks feel like
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  Speaker 5: there's a way for them to fit in and get in,
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  Speaker 5: but it's not until you start feeling it on your block,
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  Speaker 5: in your home that is like, oh, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 5: where's the where's the protest or who am I supposed
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  Speaker 5: to be voting for?
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  Speaker 4: You know what am I supposed to do? To jump
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  Speaker 4: in the fight?
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  Speaker 1: So let's let's start.
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  Speaker 2: You know a lot of people they don't necessarily run
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  Speaker 2: because a lot of people don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Like we get bombarded with so much in the news,
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  Speaker 2: and half the time we don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know what's real or what's fake, what's true, what's false?
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  Speaker 1: What should we be focusing on?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 1: What are you focusing on?
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, I wrote these things down so that
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  Speaker 5: you know, we could kind of break things into different parts.
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  Speaker 5: You know, in the summer twenty twenty, since you brought
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  Speaker 5: that up, a lot of corporations were talking about their
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  Speaker 5: commitment to diversity.
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  Speaker 4: That was the whole thing.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, corporations made pledges for millions and millions, probably
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  Speaker 5: billions of dollars, and certainly we've not seen that in
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  Speaker 5: the movement and across all spectrums of areas where marginalized
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  Speaker 5: communities need support, most companies have either you know, gone away,
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  Speaker 5: they you know what you call it, out of sight,
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  Speaker 5: out of mind. And then some did a few things.
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  Speaker 5: And of course we can't ignore that the recent news
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  Speaker 5: on Black Lives Matter has certainly helped people find a
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  Speaker 5: way to say, oh, well, you know, maybe I shouldn't
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  Speaker 5: be given to those causes, which you know, we talk
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  Speaker 5: all the time about how or bullshit on a lot
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  Speaker 5: of it. Nonetheless, it has.
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  Speaker 4: Been an issue.
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  Speaker 5: It is an issue, and so one thing I have
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  Speaker 5: been focused on is calling corporations back to the table.
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  Speaker 5: And I've been working specifically on a company called Pinini,
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  Speaker 5: and people are like, how did you get in sports
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  Speaker 5: and trading cards? Sports memorabilia and trading cards? Like where
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  Speaker 5: did that come from? But I always I often remind
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  Speaker 5: people that every case we get involved with, we.
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  Speaker 4: Find out from the people people call us.
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  Speaker 5: They call us and say it's a police brutality incident,
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  Speaker 5: they say something happened in the jail. That's how we
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  Speaker 5: got Imparchment Prisons with shout out to our family at
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  Speaker 5: Rock Nation and Team Rock because we worked to really
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  Speaker 5: make change in Parchment. And I'm sure people in Parchment
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  Speaker 5: are probably like, what change. You know, it's still slow coming,
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  Speaker 5: but we did work with the local community in Mississippi
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  Speaker 5: to make some change there. But this all comes from
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  Speaker 5: people calling us elected officials, concerned citizens, scary folks. That's like,
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  Speaker 5: don't tell nobody it's you know that I called. But
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  Speaker 5: somebody hit me up and was like, like, hey, you
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  Speaker 5: should check out what's going on at this company, Panini.
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  Speaker 5: They have seventy five percent of their trading cards and
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  Speaker 5: their talent, if you will, black athletes back black and brown.
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  Speaker 5: But primarily black athletes. A three billion dollar company with
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  Speaker 5: no senior executives that are black people, not even one.
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  Speaker 5: So when we found it out, we were like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 5: first of all, maybe we don't know, maybe they just
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  Speaker 5: didn't put them on the website. You know, we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: see and we sent a letter to Panini. It took
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  Speaker 5: them a while to get back to us until it
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  Speaker 5: started to pick up in the media, especially after we
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  Speaker 5: sent letters to the NFL and the NBA and the players'
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  Speaker 5: associations and all the others asking why are you partnering
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  Speaker 5: with these folks who are allowing them to use your talent?
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  Speaker 5: It's basically our people being exploited, and so you know,
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  Speaker 5: folks is like, well, how are you going to tell
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  Speaker 5: this company what they should do with their business? But
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  Speaker 5: of course we can't allow that because diversity, equity and
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  Speaker 5: inclusion is supposed to be the moral like heart of
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  Speaker 5: every business, especially when you're using our brands, and then
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  Speaker 5: you won't hire our people and put them in senior
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  Speaker 5: level positions. And the other thing is, it's like, what's
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  Speaker 5: the matriculation process for the people who already worked there?
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  Speaker 5: They claim they have ten thousand I mean, excuse me,
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  Speaker 5: ten percent of African Americans working within the company. So
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  Speaker 5: then what happens when those people applied, do they even
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  Speaker 5: feel like they can apply but senior level positions. So
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  Speaker 5: we've now heard back from Panini, we heard back from
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  Speaker 5: the MLB NFL couple. You know, people got back to
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  Speaker 5: us in the industry to say, hey, they support the
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  Speaker 5: cause for diversity and inclusion and equity most importantly, which
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  Speaker 5: is what this is about. Because there is a difference
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  Speaker 5: between equity and equality.
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  Speaker 4: We need to be aware of that.
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  Speaker 5: But Panini got back to us and their response was that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we are committed to diversity, but we understand
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  Speaker 5: that you're asking a deeper question about our leadership and
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  Speaker 5: we're going to hire somebody to come in and help us.
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  Speaker 5: But that's so you know that it's not enough for us.
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  Speaker 5: We need to sit at the table, have other people, advisors, people.
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  Speaker 5: I was thinking to myself that why would we not
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  Speaker 5: have form retired players and others be able to go
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  Speaker 5: work at Panini? Right?
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  Speaker 4: Why not?
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  Speaker 6: Why does specific company? Though, because there's a bunch of
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  Speaker 6: billion dollar companies that don't have black people in the
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  Speaker 6: c suite, Why do is specific.
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  Speaker 4: Coy well, first, well one, why not?
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  Speaker 5: So that's one just because they we found out, we went,
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  Speaker 5: we checked, and we did the work. But they're not
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  Speaker 5: the only company, you know, We've had similar conversations over
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  Speaker 5: the years with Walmart, with Verizon, you know, and in fact,
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  Speaker 5: with Verizon we went to them around Colin Kaepernet to
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  Speaker 5: ask them why would they continue to sponsor and you know,
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  Speaker 5: be partners with the NFL knowing what was happening the Colin.
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  Speaker 5: So we find reasons to approach corporations all the time
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  Speaker 5: about their commitments or their said commitments to our communities
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  Speaker 5: and from my perspective black folks in this moment, but
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  Speaker 5: they need jobs.
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  Speaker 4: Like they need jobs, they need opportunities.
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  Speaker 5: They need a seat at the table, right And you
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  Speaker 5: know some people say, well entrepreneurship, Yeah, but while you're building,
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  Speaker 5: because all of us here are entrepreneurs.
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  Speaker 4: But we got jobs too.
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  Speaker 2: Douse Perini feel that since they've given so much money
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  Speaker 2: away to students.
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  Speaker 1: And especially college athletes.
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  Speaker 2: I know they do a lot with nil deals that
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  Speaker 2: because they're doing that, they necessarily don't have to because
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  Speaker 2: they feel like we're giving the community money.
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  Speaker 5: Well they didn't say that, but from our perspective. No,
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  Speaker 5: like at until freedom. Our perspective is regardless of how
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  Speaker 5: much you give away, you're just doing what you're supposed
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  Speaker 5: to do. But then also, now, let's find out what
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  Speaker 5: social causes are you involved with that the players care about,
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  Speaker 5: not saying education is not one of those things. But
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  Speaker 5: there may be other issues. Gun violence might be an
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  Speaker 5: issue that you need to be invested in. You know
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  Speaker 5: a number of issues, voting rights like, there are other
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  Speaker 5: things that the players. Again, that's why you have to
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  Speaker 5: have our people in senior level positions to help make.
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  Speaker 7: Those What kind of action plans would you like to
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  Speaker 7: see Panani do to curR this like lack of diversity?
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  Speaker 7: What would you like to see?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so first of all, they need to have an
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  Speaker 5: advisory committee of individuals from our communities that can help
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  Speaker 5: them look at the diversity issues. And when they say
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  Speaker 5: they're gonna hire somebody who you hire, don't hire your
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  Speaker 5: homie who's gonna say everything is okay. You just need
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  Speaker 5: to hire like two black people and that's it, you know. No,
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  Speaker 5: there needs to be a top down strategy and there
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  Speaker 5: are a number of companies that do this. There are
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  Speaker 5: companies that have done a decent job. I can't say
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  Speaker 5: a great job, but a decent job of looking at
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  Speaker 5: their diversity issues through the eyes of people who look
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  Speaker 5: like us, and so I think that's one. But first
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  Speaker 5: of all, they need to have us at the table
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  Speaker 5: to help them decide how to move forward. And that
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  Speaker 5: doesn't mean we're not asking them for a dime. So
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  Speaker 5: let's get that straight. Before the breakfast club friends goes
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  Speaker 5: talking about we asking them for money, We're not asking
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  Speaker 5: them for anything.
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  Speaker 4: We're asking them for change.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what of the companies are in a similar situation
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  Speaker 2: that you want changed like that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad listen.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna answer you, only because you know, you
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  Speaker 5: never really let them know, like Panini had no idea
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  Speaker 5: we were coming. And when people, when you start calling names,
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  Speaker 5: folks get things straight, they start putting people on the
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  Speaker 5: on the website.
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  Speaker 4: They'd be like, we're the website. Bring the website. We
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  Speaker 4: got some negroes in.
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  Speaker 5: The basement, bring them up sticks and take some pictures.
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  Speaker 5: So we won't do that, but we certainly are looking
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  Speaker 5: at other companies, you know, and we'll be talking about
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  Speaker 5: them as time goes on.
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  Speaker 7: It's actually been amazing the dip and what we see,
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  Speaker 7: like I really felt like there was actually some even
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  Speaker 7: if it was for optics, some type of effort being made.
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  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, And some of them were surfaced like you
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  Speaker 7: see the commercials right all of a sudden, like every
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  Speaker 7: commercial of every company was like a black person was
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  Speaker 7: in it. A lot of times it was like an
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  Speaker 7: interracial couple. But you saw people trying to make at
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  Speaker 7: least an effort publicly. It seemed like they're not even
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  Speaker 7: giving a damn anymore. What it looks like publicly anymore.
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  Speaker 5: Well, just on that point, when we did the research
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  Speaker 5: to find at every company, we sent letters and by companies,
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  Speaker 5: I'm talking about the leagues and the players associations, we
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  Speaker 5: sent letters to the CEO. We also went to look
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  Speaker 5: for the diversity person, right, because most companies have somebody,
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  Speaker 5: and we found that most of those people were hired
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  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty. Like all the different leagues, their diversity
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  Speaker 5: person came on board around twenty twenty and was well
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  Speaker 5: celebrated by the company. So that just goes to show
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  Speaker 5: you that movements work. That's first of all that you know,
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  Speaker 5: for those people who think movements don't work, it actually
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  Speaker 5: provided opportunities for some of our people, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 5: depending on who the black person is in that seat,
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  Speaker 5: there's more happening within the community. But there's so much
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  Speaker 5: more that can be done, and that means that the
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  Speaker 5: movement can't stop because the job is not complete.
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  Speaker 2: Are people getting are they getting to actually be able
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  Speaker 2: to work or is it one of those things that
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  Speaker 2: we're hiring them just for the face, but they're not
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  Speaker 2: actually being able to contribute.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know what, I don't know, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 5: there's a little bit of all of that happening, you know,
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  Speaker 5: because I know several diversity folks in different companies and
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  Speaker 5: some of them are frustrated. Others feel like they're really
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  Speaker 5: being supported. So I think it's a mixture of that.
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  Speaker 5: But we don't know until unfortunately, issues start to come
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  Speaker 5: up and you start asking questions. That's the reason why
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  Speaker 5: we have to have different examples. So Panini becomes an
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  Speaker 5: example which says to other companies, shit, they might be
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  Speaker 5: come in my way, let me try to get my
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  Speaker 5: stuff together.
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  Speaker 3: When you talk.
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  Speaker 6: About things working, parchment is a good example of things working. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: Because I think the documentary comes out June seventeenth, exposing
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  Speaker 6: Parchman what did a work around, you know, what did
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  Speaker 6: the movie do for partying?
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  Speaker 5: So we found out about Parchment again. People call you
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  Speaker 5: and you know, tip you off to stuff that's happening,
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  Speaker 5: and in fact, in Parchment, I have to give a
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  Speaker 5: shout out to many of the incarcerated individuals because they
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  Speaker 5: did the work. They are the ones that filmed the
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  Speaker 5: horrific conditions within the prison. And you know, I never
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  Speaker 5: forget being in the car. I don't know where I
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  Speaker 5: was going to do an if you somewhere in the South.
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  Speaker 5: I remember getting a phone call from a woman that
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  Speaker 5: you could clearly hear. She was like ninety something years old,
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  Speaker 5: and she was like, you know, my son, he said
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  Speaker 5: he sent you something. She said, could you please, you know,
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  Speaker 5: go look, because you know, on Instagram and other things,
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  Speaker 5: if you not following the person or whatever they sent it,
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  Speaker 5: it's getting way back somewhere in the you know. And
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  Speaker 5: so I had no idea what was going on, but
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  Speaker 5: she called my attention to it, and so I, you know,
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  Speaker 5: looked in and saw all these videos blood, you know,
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  Speaker 5: people hanging from you know, it was just bad, like rats, mold, terrible.
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  Speaker 5: And at the same time, we have family, our Mississippi
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  Speaker 5: Prison Reform Coalition folks out there, ra Quia Lamamba and
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  Speaker 5: others who are in Mississippi. They were friends. So we
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  Speaker 5: contacted them from until freedom. It was when we first
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  Speaker 5: started our organization. Contacted them like what can we do?
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  Speaker 5: Got everybody together, yandee, all our people, like we're going
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  Speaker 5: to try to go. And then at the same time
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  Speaker 5: had been already working with Rock Nation. They also were
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  Speaker 5: getting calls. We went to them saying, let's combine our
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  Speaker 5: efforts and we started rallying. You know, they put op
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  Speaker 5: eds in the major newspapers. That's what happens when you
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  Speaker 5: work with people that have money. People don't understand why
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  Speaker 5: that's important to have access to capital. We talk about
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  Speaker 5: Harry Belafonte is someone who had access to capital. And
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  Speaker 5: Doctor King, yes, rest in peace to mister Belafonte missed
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  Speaker 5: to be as we call him. You know, he had
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  Speaker 5: access to resources. So Doctor King was able to work
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  Speaker 5: with him and he helped and supported Doctor King to
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  Speaker 5: get his word out, to get his message out to
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  Speaker 5: travel the world. So it's important when you have people.
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  Speaker 5: People get mad at me every time, like why do
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  Speaker 5: you keep saying Jay? And they did.
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  Speaker 4: They helped us.
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  Speaker 5: They help us all the time to make sure we
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  Speaker 5: could get their travel. It costs money to get on
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  Speaker 5: a plane and fly to a city and be in
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  Speaker 5: that city. You need security, it's a lot of things.
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  Speaker 5: So we combined our efforts. They're not activists, they're not
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  Speaker 5: a the ground. They allowed us the stage, they put
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  Speaker 5: the stage up.
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  Speaker 4: We got on it.
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  Speaker 5: And did what we had to do, and as a result,
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  Speaker 5: you know, work and by the way, the people in
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  Speaker 5: Mississippi had already been doing this work for years, so
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  Speaker 5: we bought them some extra stuff and spiced it up,
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  Speaker 5: and there was this big pot of gumbo that forced
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  Speaker 5: ultimately the state one to come in and look at
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  Speaker 5: the jail and say, okay to prison and say there's
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  Speaker 5: some serious human rights abuse and issues. And now there's
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: a plan that they have to work through. The jail
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: is responsible, the government is overseeing it, and the lawyers
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: that were hired by Team Rock and Rock Nation have
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: been engaged and there's a lawsuit with many of the
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: incarcerated people there. So again, it's not the fix all
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: It's not we can't. We're well beyond fix, all right.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: We've been dealing with this five hundred plus years, So
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: it's not the fix all, but we've done our part
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: to at least move us a little bit closer to
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: what it looks like for a more justice siety.
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: You know what to ask when it comes to stuff
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: like that, like you know, you protest, you march when
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: Rock Nation does something like a Khalif Broder doc or
• 16:09
  Speaker 6: the Trayvon Martin dock or Exposing Parchment Doctor's coming.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Does that make y'all jobs easier?
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah? It helped. Well.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: First of all, helps because we get eyeballs on our work.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: People get to see that it's actually something happening. Because
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: a lot of times we fall into this place where
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: the narrative is like this don't mean nothing, nobody's doing anything.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: People are not focused.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: And so when you get to see us because I'm
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: in the documentary, and you also get to see the
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: local people, local people get ignored, you know, they get overlooked,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: and you get somebody like a rock or whomever to
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: go into a city. Even me, even I have to
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: be careful because I have a brand that I can
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: go into cities and drown out those individuals who are
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: on the ground. So it's our responsibility to use every
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: resource we have to uplift those people who are there.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: We learn that, of course in Louisville, Kentucky with Breonna
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Taylor and you know, And so the documentary helps people
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: to see the work. It also helps people to see
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: the elements that went into the types of people, like
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: how much collaboration it takes. It's not just marching, it's
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: not just policy, it's not just legal strategy. But all
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: of it coming together is what makes up a movement.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: So yes, those documentaries are important. I mean, when we
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: go back and watch documentaries of the past, if you
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: are a true student of history, or if you really
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: want to understand how we even ended up here, good
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: or bad, you go back and you watch old documentaries
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: and read books, and you can figure out or really
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: kind of trace the steps of what has taken place
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: before us.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: You're on the front lines.
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: Do you ever get discouraged?
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Hell?
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you feel like what am I doing?
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: I get more than discouraged. I get pretty nasty about it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: I send text messages in the middle of the.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Night saying words, bad words.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: You know, lately, I've been saying, you gotta stop texting
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: this stuff because these things are gonna be historic documents
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: like people want to print your text messages.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I've been saying why do I do this again? Like, so,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: where's your motivation come from?
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: On those days when you know, we see the winds right,
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: But there's the days where you probably.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: I don't know about the winds.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: Well, whens, I'm not progress progress, A little bit of progress,
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: a little bit of progress because wins, I don't feel
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: like I'm there yet, you know, and you know whatever.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Some people would argue that we should be careful not
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: to appreciate the things we've been able to accomplish, in
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: which we have many things. But I think my I
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: always say that my investment in this movement is very selfish.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: It's not like, oh, I'm doing it because of the
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: other children and the other people.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: It's my own family.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Like me, you know, I want to be able to
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: drive and feel comfortable and walk around in society and
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: not be treated differently or othered. I want my son
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: to be protected. And now I have a grandchild, you know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: and here this is a young girl or a baby
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: who's going to grow up in this society.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: What is it going to look like?
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: I don't want to leave here with people saying like, well,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: what did you do to contribute and I'm over here
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: pointing at oh, well they did.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: No, we have a.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Responsibility, and I think that's where every you know, when
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: I get up and some days, Claudia, it's turned into
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: a situation where I go to bed like, I promise you,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: I will not do shit else for these people because
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: of all the stress that I go through, the attacks,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: the lies, this and that. I'd be like, that's it,
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: and then I'd be like, which people are people? Like
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: in the morning when I wake up, I'm like, let
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: me go to work, because this is what I'm supposed
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: to be doing. Calling on your life is something I
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: was telling you that, which you didn't respond to.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: But I was texting you about that. You know, when you.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Start it's like a revelation that happens in you and
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: you know you've been called.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I didn't reply to that, No, sir.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: I know exactly what that comment was about about.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, respond with a friend. I was gonna ask stuff.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: For one second, though, this is what a grandma looks like.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: Damn man, Think about what grandma used to look like
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: thirty forty years.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: They was looking good too, They just you know, it
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: was just different. But they taught us, They made us
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: look like this. It's a fountain of youth.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, you know, with everything that
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: you do, do you ever feel like I'm doing it
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: for nothing? Because it's the same storyline over and over again.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You know, you fight for this family here, and then
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a day later this happens here, and then the day
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: later this happens here, and it feels like I keep
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: fighting and nothing changes because we see it all the time,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: and it feels like people's mentality of how they look
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: at us never change.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I shifted my perspective on that because I did have that,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: and it was it sent me into depression, sent me
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: into addiction, sent me into a bad, dark place. So
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: I shifted my perspective to understand through therapy, which was
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: incredibly important, that my job is to just take the
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: baton and pass it along. It's not to fix the problem.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: So that's what happens is when we think that like
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: it starts with us and ends with us.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: We're the end all be all. We got to fix it.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Like how if we die and it hasn't been fixed,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: we failed.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: That is not realistic and it's not true. Our responsibility
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: is to be able to show that we got in
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: the game and it was better because of us that
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: we passed it along to others, just like someone passed
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: the work on to us. And so I now in
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: that light or understanding that I feel like I'm doing
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: a great job. I don't think that we're winning, but
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: I think I'm doing a great job of being committed
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: and focused on something for thirty years of my life.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: This is all I know. This is what I've been doing.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I'm working. I do other things. Obviously,
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: I'm an author, thank you, Leonard. And I have other
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: insulting businesses and all of that, but this one thing
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: is my passion and it's what I do every day
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: when I wake up and before I go to bed,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: and I believe that God blessed me, Like I feel
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: so blessed to be called like you know how oh man.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: He put it on you.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like you actually have the
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: discernment and the understanding He gave you a voice and
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: a power and relationships like you are a real blessed
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: person if you get all that I have, and you're
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: able to be in as many rooms and spaces as
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: I've been in and to have so many families that
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: are my that's my family.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: I have so many family members out there that we
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: met through tragedy, but these are my people.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: We're lucky to have people like you and have you
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: specifically because you know, it's always what are they going
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: to do something? And you're the they that we talk about.
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: You know, we're the they that we need because a
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: lot of people don't have that in them to go
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: do that, and you do it for us. So thank you.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I appreciate that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Talk to us about I might be pronouncing a sistant
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: name wrong, Ajka owens Man.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: And boy, I tell you what. I was on a
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: conference call last night with Angela Rye and Amanda SIL's
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: and I mean Alicia Garza, Ben Crump, everybody, Jeff Johnson,
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: the names go on and on, all the people, Christy Henderson.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: It was the coordinator of it and first of all,
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: the brilliance in this movement.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, to be on that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Call, I just wish it could be taped so everybody
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: could see the thoughts and people working together to try
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: to help get justice for this woman's family.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: What happened to her is it seems to be very clear.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: At least it's clear to me, and you know, Crump
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: before he gets an attorney, Crump, before he gets involved
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: in things, he kind of knows what what happened for
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: the most part. So it seems it appears that the
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: neighbor was a menace already, like she had been harassing the.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Story gave the lady donk of to day two.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, no, talk about it this one.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: So it seems that he had already been harassing the
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: children and people in the community. And this particular day,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: the kids were playing next door, which you guys probably
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: already discussed. But you know, the kids were playing next
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: door in a field, and she thinks she owns the field,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: so she's neighborhood Karen. She thinks she owns the field.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: She tells them when to come and go. The iPad
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: was still in the field when the young man noticed it.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: All the kids were inside. He noticed his iPad was there.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: He ran out to go get it. She already had
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: it somewhere along the line. She He approached her to
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: get the iPad and she hit him with something so
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: h his and called him the N word. Well, this
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: young man, the young boy is nine and this, and
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: and and aj as they affectionately call her aj Owens.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: She has four children and so I think the youngest
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: one is two and so uh she So he went
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: and got mama, and mama came back to talk to
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: the woman get the iPad, probably asked, you know.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: What, why did you get my child?
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: All of that, and the woman shot her through the door,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: shot her through the door and killed he. I mean period,
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: you know, and though to add insult to injury, which
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: is very similar to what happened to Jordan Nearly, or
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: at least what happened to Daniel Perry, the man.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Who killed Jordan Nearly.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: Is this this thing where you can just go down
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: to the precinct, They ask you a few questions and
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: then you just white and they say, okay, you can
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: go home after you've killed somebody.
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: It is amazing that they It's like, do you mind
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: coming in.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: And right, yeah, we just want to ask formal Well, yeah,
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: they didn't release her name, but we know what it is.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Her name is Susan Lawrence. I believe that's her name,
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: Susan Lawrence. And you know, again, people in the neighborhood
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: know her. But let me just say on the issue
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: of people getting to go home.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: She called now one at all, So she didn't call
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: nine one until after she shot this.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Oh, that's a good question, because.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: You know, usually a self defense and if the door
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: was closed, there was no way that she felt like
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: her life was a dangerous that.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: I mean, you got to come on sty your ground.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: Of course, it's a lot of things that I think
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: they're gonna try to use. I think they're gonna have
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: a mental illness thing. They're gonna try a lot of things.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: But the people that are allowed to be mentally ill
• 26:19
  Speaker 7: because it's with us, we don't get that, grace.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: No, we don't. But let me say that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: One of the things I want to make sure we
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: mentioned is that this is not a new issue or
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: new concern. If you think about Emmitt Till and other
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: cases of the past, there was a time when white
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: people could literally decide that you made them feel uncomfortable,
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: or you you committed some criminal act. They didn't have
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: to be in law enforcement. They could decide your punishment,
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: kill you, whatever they want to do, and there was
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: no consequences for it. So we're going backwards to a
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: time when that is now a thing again that you
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: just gone down town to tell Billy Bob, officer Billy Bob,
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: everything was cool.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: You know, I just shot me a nigga today. That's it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: It's just and and and and of course I hope
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: we understand not to say that it is okay when
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: it happens to men, because we we fight for black
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: men all the time. Our entire movement has been focused
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: on black men. But now they're killing black women, which
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: brings us to Brianna Taylor. Shout out to Brionna Taylor
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: and her family. Look, happy birthday. She would have been
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: thirty years old. Man, thirty years old, a young, beautiful life,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: taking her boyfriend, Kenny Walker. Thankfully, the charges that the
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: officer had against him have been dropped, so he's now
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: free and clear to live his life. But yesterday, yesterday,
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know when.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: That's the case. Was staying ground worked for a black person? Right?
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: What?
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, well yes kinda yes and yes, yes, as
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: he charged him, but they dropped it.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: They never admitted it. That's the point.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Nobody ever said that he had the right to do
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: what he did or whatever, but he did right, And
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I think that they dropped the charges for a different reason,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: which is because they don't want to have to go
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: to court and lay out the details. They're trying to
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: push it, you know, sweep it under the rug. It
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: would make them have to do too much. So but anyway,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: so the attorney general in Kentucky, y'all talked about this
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: new camp. His name is Daniel Cameron. This man was
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: responsible for the prosecution of the officers. He was responsible
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: for finding justice right as the attorney general. Because the
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: local government decided that they didn't want to try the case.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: It was too close with the police department and the
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: local DA's and whatever, so they pushed it to the
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: attorney general. First of all, Daniel Cameron is a cop lover.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: He has videos out there.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Talking about how he will defend police and law enforcement
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: until the end, and he will do whatever's necessary to
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: stand with police. So he had the case and had
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: a grand jury in paneled, which they went and they
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: presented a case to the grand jury, of course, and
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: which is what we fight against. The grand jury proceedings
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: being secret. That's a problem because you don't know what's happening.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: You don't know what they're presenting with the witnesses or
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: what's gonna happen. So the grand jury comes back and
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: returns their decision, which is to charge one officer which
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: shooting through the wall and that could have hurt the
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: people on the other side. It didn't, but it could have,
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: and so that charge was called wanting in endangerment and
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: that's what the person was indicted on. They never came
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: back with any charges about Brionna Taylor being murdered. But
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: when Daniel Cameron did his press conference to announce what
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: happened in the grand jury, he said that the jurors
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: decided that no charges will be brought against those officers
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: for killing Brianna.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: That's a lie. Why do we know that now?
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: Because what Tamik Mallory is saying, the juroris came forward
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: envy the jurist. There was about four them that did
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: an interview saying we were never presented with anything for
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: Breonna Taylor. We kept asking when y'all gonna talk about
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: Brianna and they never bought it up.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Because that's what you can do.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: That's why they say you can indict a ham sandwich,
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: because you go into the jury pool in the jury
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: room and do whatever you want present the case that
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: you want that gives you the outcome that you desire.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: And he went in there and.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Didn't want to charge those offices, and so they didn't.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: So now he's got the audacity. I was about to
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: call him names, and then I thought about it. I'm
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: on the radio. He went in there and no, now
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: he's running for governor, Like what like, how do you
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: get rewarded?
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: And he might win.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: Well, if let me tell you something. I don't want
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: to say. I don't want to put wish death on
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: myself or anybody, but I promise you we're gonna fight
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: them like cats and dogs in the street.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Cy.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: On Breonna Taylor's birthday, her mother started off the donation
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: to our organization to Until Freedom for our efforts we
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: are asking she made.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: I didn't even know she was gonna do this.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: She asked people to match her by donating thirty dollars,
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: three hundred dollars, three thousand dollars whatever you can in
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: honor of her daughter being thirty. And we're opening two
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: offices in both of the more urban neighborhoods you know
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: communities in Kentucky, which is in Lexington and in Louisville,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: and these are places where you know, supposedly low propensity voters,
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: which lend us arso on my partner and until Freedom
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: often says they're high potential voters because they don't really
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: come out unless they're motivated. And we're about to knock
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: on doors until November. We're going to put ads up
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: on TV. We're gonna make sure that every by Lottie
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Dottie and everybody knows about Daniel Cameron and what he
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: did to Breonna Taylor's ham.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: How do you retake yourself in situations like that? That's dangerous?
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like to go post up in Kentucky and like
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: go against this guy who's got a massive support in Kentucky.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: How you protect yourself?
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Well, we're going back again because remember we lived there
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: for four months under mass surveillance by law enforcement and
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: white supremacists, and there's like video to show what we experience.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I don't know.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: We First of all, we have security twenty four hours
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: a day, which is important, but you know, security is
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: not necessarily able to stop some crazy person from driving
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: a car through the window of your office or whatever.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: So are y'all being set up you know what I mean,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: But but, but, but before we even get to the
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: point of physical harm watching Just Watch, you're gonna be like,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: you gotta come back and talk about this. They're gonna
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: have articles out in a minute about everything we ever
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: did wrong, who paperwork ain't right.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: What organization did this?
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Which is why I don't like to get into a
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: back and forth about whether or not somebody bought a
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: house and biling. I don't like to get into that
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: because I know what that conversation is all about, and
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I know who it benefits for us to get stuck
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: in that. They want to discredit our movement so that
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: they can make sure that nobody that nobody donates to
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: Tamika Mallory either we all criminals.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I'm not, of course I'm not.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: We said that on this show so many times. But
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: you're right, repetition matters. I'm not in the organization Black
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: Lives Matter. But I'm just saying that I've seen this
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: movie before. This is not the first time. They don't
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: They actually don't do anything new. They repeat the same
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: script over and over again. It's just that there are
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: new players involved, so you think you in something new,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: But they literally have intentionality right now around discrediting our movement.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: It doesn't mean you shouldn't ask questions. There should be
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: no accountability, that's not what we're talking about. But when
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: we start going down that rabbit hole, there's a reason
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: why they want us to stay there. And so what
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: will happen is that in the next couple of weeks,
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: especially if Daniel Cameron feels like our movement is a
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: danger to him, you'll start hearing who slept with who?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Johnny you know, shot somebody when he was twelve, who
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: went to prison.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: That's what they're gonna do to try to discredit the
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: people locally and nationally who will be there fighting him.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: But we despight it all, despight it all.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: We're gonna be there. We have to stop eating that
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: up there. We're so quick.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: But I knew it was a scam, and we have
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: to stop being so skeptical of each other. Yeah, I
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: saw that happening in Really I'm like.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, like, but there are scams. There are scams, and
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: guess what, white people run them every day.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: That's right, But they don't like we do something.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, you'll never you will never see like
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: I give you an example, the Women's movement, right, they
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: got all kinds. I know, we were in it right
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: and the Women's we was in we were leaders of
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: the Women's March. We know all about the stuff that
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: goes on internally, but you don't know who's about people's salaries.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: You don't know how much they make.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: In these major women's organizations and other organizations that had
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: or social cause, organizations that have people that don't look
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: like us. You tell me what's their salary, it doesn't
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: come up. You don't know what house they have, where
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: they live, how much money they spent, and if there
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: is an issue, they deal with it internally.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: When it became public that there.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Was a fight which wasn't even about money, it was
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: because it was women of color at the helm of it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: So we just have to be aware of that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: That does not mean that you don't have the right
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: to say, I gave one hundred dollars two hundred thousand,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: whatever it is, and I want to know what is
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: being done with my resources. I'm not telling people not
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: to ask those questions. I'm saying that what we see
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: going on right now is not about asking questions.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: It is about.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Creating a creating a dissension campaign or whatever against our
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: movement as a whole. And yeah, I'm not in BLM
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: at all. I have none to do with the money,
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: never received the dime. In fact, I asked them for
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: a million dollars and I'm still waiting on somebody to respond,
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: So this is not about that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: But I'm also I also.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: Am clear that I don't get to separate myself from
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: this whole movement because I know I only raise My
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: organization raised three thousand, three million dollars when BLM received
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: ninety million. So that's why we asked for a million,
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: which is not even enough. Because we was in the
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: street in the summer of twenty twenty, and we know
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: that people went on their phone and said, I'm not
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: gonna look for a particular name, I'm just gonna give
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: money to BLM. So I feel they owe me money, right,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: I think they have some of my money, So we
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: asked for a million dollars. But I I understand that
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: this movement, everything that happens, there are implications for all
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: of us. If something happen with you, Envy, I've been
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: watching you for the last few days. I talk to you.
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying it impacts everybody that's close
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: to you. That's just what it is. So I just
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: want to put that message out there. Be careful what
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: you allow yourself to get dragged into.
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: What would you say to people who say, y'all should
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: just focus focus on getting money, get all the marching
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: and everything.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I'm just focus on getting the money.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know what.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: And some of my family in the movement, some of
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: my great brethren feel that way now, and I have
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: debate back and forth about again the collaboration and the
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: and the and the need for all of us to
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: be working together or at least not getting in anybody's way. So,
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: whether it's opportunity or white supremacy, either thing has a
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: different perspective of how you address it. The march brings
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: a t to an issue. Then you have people who
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: might be there from a financial perspective to say, well, look,
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: we're building ways that we don't even need police anymore.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: So now everybody knows there's a problem, and now there
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: are new people coming along to say or other people
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: coming along to say, we're gonna build a new system.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: Right there, there's politicians but that also have their role,
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: But Here's here's.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Another important point.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: All my brothers and sisters who are out here doing
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: financial upliftment. What is it called the financial literacy, but
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: it's something else financial development, economic development. Right, there's a
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: strong movement and I support it. They make laws that
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: control what you do. You're not just out here thinking
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: that your money you're gonna just be able to put
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: your money together in a shoe box. You're gonna have
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: to use a bank, create a bank. You're gonna have
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: to have tax codes. There are laws. So those laws
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: mean that you gotta have elected officials that you have
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: to vote for that make the laws. And then how
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: do you get elected officials that you believe will support
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: your interest. You need movement to be behind those people.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: So none of us could be disconnected from one another.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: We all play a role in how even the big
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: economic strategy, the exodus that we are planning that is
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: being planned.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: I hope there's still.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Going to be rules, laws and other things that apply.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: And lastly, I will say that most of our people
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: ain't where some of us are. So most of our
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: people live in the projects right now, and they need
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: their city council person to make sure that they don't
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: have rats that they have light, that they have heat today.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: So while you're over here in the lab strategizing on
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: this plan for how we're going to invest together and
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: build together in crypto and all of that digital money
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: and all that stuff, over here, Jojo who lives in
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: the projects, that doesn't even have a cell phone to
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: watch our lives and to show up at our com
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: friences and all of that. He needs lights, water, food, job,
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: His baby needs pampers right now. And there are people
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: who run for office every day, from the federal level
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: down who are responsible for that.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: And we have to be a part of that process.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: How can people donate if they want to donate, absolutely, job, we.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Need y'all donate so bad, Lord, have mercy.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: Before you talk about donations, I just want to make
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: sure we mentioned Shanquella Robinson. Today there's still a fight
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: to get the state Department.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: You got to remind people that came from when I.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Was like, I had to go back and make sure
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: I got up.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: I did all the sister who got killed in Mexico, right.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she was killed in Mexico, and and oftentimes because
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: it was people who look like us, we you know,
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: we forget about it, and we're like, oh well. I
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: had a group tell me and it was a deep
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: like this is I know, we gotta go, but this
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: was like, really mess me up. I called the group.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: I said, Yo, we going to DC. We about to protest,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: you know, and make sure that they extradite. The State
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Department has the power, I was, to extradite the one
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: aggressor that we see in the video beating on assaulting Shanquala.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: They have the ability to extradite them because Mexico claims
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: they filed all the paperwork to get that person so
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: they can prosecute. So so I called my people. I'm like, yo, me,
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: me and DZ like we gonna do this thing. We'll
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: do a press conference. And one woman I don't I
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: would wish I could mention her name, but she's a
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: powerful organizer, said to me, I can't do it. She said,
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: because we believe we are abolitionists. We don't believe in
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: turning our people over to the police or to extraditing
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: them to We believe in give them to us and
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: let us deal with the issue. And I was like, Yo,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: this kind of messed me up because I never I
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: didn't think about that that you know there are people
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: among us that not saying that. She thinks she knows
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: that what happened is wrong, and in fact she came
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: and stood behind the cameras. But her position was, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: can't be a part of turning our people over to
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: this system. We need a mechanism for addressing injustice, violence
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: and all of that in our own community. So we
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: got a lot of things to think about. And with
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: that being said, you can donate to until Freedom by
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: going to until freedom dot com, which is the safest
• 42:12
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• 42:16
  Speaker 5: you want to cash app and Venmo and all of that,
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: we're until Freedom spell it properly because people have stolen
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: our stole whichever is right to say our name, colonized
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: our name, and they put one extra E one the
• 42:31
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• 42:34
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• 42:43
  Speaker 3: And did we get everything on the notepad?
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: I think?
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: So let me see, Oh, cop City, cop City, cop City,
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: which they voted today to pass the budget, so that
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: happened overnight. So cop city for folks quickly is in Atlanta. Man,
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: they did such a good job of keeping all the
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: people who usually would have been on the issue, like
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: celebrities and others, they kept them unaware of what was
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: even happening. He made it a classism thing where the
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: only the organizer the shout out to Queenya Nostaha, Shout
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: out to Attorney Gerald Griggs, who was the head of
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: the Atlanta NAACP.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Shout out to my homeboy, Marcus C. Coleman.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: It's a bunch of people out there that did a
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: lot of great work. Kim Beleeve, the Trees, Jones, and
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: so basically cop City is a place that is being
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: designed to train police officers from around the country. So
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: in Decab County, Andre Dickens, the mayor, is creating a city.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: And by the way, people want me to mention that
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: this was not his plan. It came from Governor Kemp
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: and Keisha Land's bottoms and then he had the ability
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: to keep it going or to cancel the project.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: So they are building this facility now Here's.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of issues with that because, by the way,
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: police had the most training ever our books who was
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: shot and killed while running away in Atlanta. We all
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: watched it on video. He had the officer who killed
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: him had two hundred hours of training. Two hundred hours
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: of training. They have millions and millions billions of dollars
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: in training, but they don't take the same sixty million
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: dollars that was approved last night in the city council.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: If you go to Atlanta and go downtown, why don't
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: we use that to put unhoused people in housing? Why
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: don't we use that for mental health issues? They said, well,
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: gun violence is a big issue. Kids that have jobs
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: and opportunities. People that have jobs and opportunities. They're not shooting.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: Do they shoot in your community? Do they shooting your community?
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: They don't shoot in mine either. They shooting your No,
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: because you know why, most of the people in our
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: communities have resources, They have jobs, they have opportunities. So
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: if we take sixty million dollars and invest it over here,
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: maybe we won't even need as many police. But to
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: add insult to injury, they have a group of individuals
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: they're training people called the the IDF, which is the
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: Israel Defense Forces now the Israeli Defense Forces. Now, everybody
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: got different politics on what they feel about Palestine and
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Israel and all of that, and we're not getting into
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: that today.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: What we do know, which.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Is a fact, is that the Israeli defense forces kill
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: people and children in Israel Palestine every day with impunity.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: Maybe not every day, but very often. They killed the
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: two year old yesterday or the day before.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: They are a violent military, violent military with massive human
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: rights abuses. And this is not to Meeka Maalad. This
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: is Amnesty International. This is the United Nations that has
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: talked about the Israeli Defense Fund, which American US tax
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: dollars go to them. Our money helps to invest in the.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Work that they do killing people.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: And I won't even get into all of the politics
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: around why they're in in Israel because we could go
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: down rabbit hole there, right, which I think is a
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: human rights abuse against another group of people.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: But I said I wasn't getting into it, and then.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: I said it right, So this is these are the
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: folks that they're gonna allow to come in and do training.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: We already dying, We're already dealing with a racist, abusive
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: policing system in the US which doesn't even have laws federally,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: federally or locally enough laws to protect citizens black folks,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: and you gonna slap cop city in the middle of
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: Decab County and have some forces from a violent, dangerous
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: racist military to come and train the people.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: That is what they're gonna say. It's all first responders.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: There's gonna be people there from you know, firefighters, they're
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: gonna have There's an element that cannot be ignored, and
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: that is the police training that will take place in
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: the facility, and that is a problem. The Police Association,
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: I think that's their name. Excuse me if I got
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: it wrong. They are the ones that's coordinating the whole space.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: And so the basically the resources that the city council
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: approved are to lease space for the responders and others
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: to be trained, but the policing situation is the main
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: focus of the facility. So I called out Maya Dickens, because, brother,
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: how dare you you, as a black man, know what
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: we've been through. You called so many of us and
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: told us that there was going there was gonna be change,
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: and now under the guise of safety, public safety, when
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: I could tell you right now that they do not
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: have a program the way that we do in New York,
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: where there's hundreds of millions of dollars going towards grassroots
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: organizations like Erika Ford, like at Mitchell, and so many
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: groups that do work here.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: And the data proves.
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: That when you invest in grassroots organizations, they do real
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: work to make change and to stop and reduce violence
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: in communities of color. They do not have a robust
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: program like that in a and you have the audacity
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: to jump past that, go put money in cop city
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: and not investing your people to really truly keep people safe.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: It's wrong.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Bottoms go well.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: Because people elected officials, which is an important point, right,
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: they get nervous, and Governor Kemp is a bully.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: So first of all, the fact that you in.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Bed with Governor Kemp about anything, it's problematic to me.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: But they get nervous, and so when they start feeling
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: the pressure from the governor and all these people. Because
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: a lot of our folks don't understand what true public
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: safety looks like. We've been taught that public safety is
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: locking people up, but.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: The police exists. Now there's police all over.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Chicago, and still there was fifty something people shot Memorial weekend.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: So policing is clearly not solving the problem.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: But going back to the original question, are they shooting
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: in your neighborhood?
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Are they shooting?
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Right, So we see what needs to be done, and
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: it is intentionally being nord and they are fattening the
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: pockets of the policing system and then not even giving
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: true accountability measures to keep people accountable accountable. You cannot
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: train racism and white supremacy. You can't out train it.
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  Speaker 5: You have to convict it. You have to lock it up,
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