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Conjuring Some Controversy: The Complicated Legacy of Ed & Lorraine Warren · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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Welcome back to Paranormal Lens. You made it
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through our 50 -minute episode about pumpkin
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spice lattes, and then you made it through another
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50 -minute episode about sandwiches. Now, there
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are some topics that warrant long, in -depth
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conversations, and there are other topics that
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don't necessarily warrant long, in -depth conversations.
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When we did the orbs episode, we had a... We're
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going to discuss this in 30 minutes or less because
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we can ramble all day. This is one of those topics
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tonight, ladies and gentlemen, that we can probably
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talk about for 24 hours. Yeah, so we're going
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to give ourselves, like we did in the Orb episode,
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a 30 -minute timer so we can stay on time and
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exercise discipline. I feel like exorcisms may
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come up tonight. Later as well. So let's start
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the exercising. On the right foot. And. I'm going
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to set a 30 minute timer. I feel like you're
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being really sneaky. With all these. Like puns.
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And play on words. I mean. It's pun conseason.
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Angela left. For all the viewers. Angela left.
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How dare she? We've been abandoned. Angela. Coming.
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She's coming. As soon as we start punning around,
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you know, she's like, I don't know. I'm out of
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here. I don't like no punning. Angela's like,
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puns? I'm out of here. You came to the wrong
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podcast. Me and Bree have an eight -year -long...
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You're friends with the wrong people. Yeah. We've
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been having a competition, a war, actually, for
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eight years. I don't think it's been going on
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quite as eight years, but yes. Who made the first
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pun that made us realize we both have an issue?
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I don't know. I think we were just in a... That's
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a great question. Okay, that's something to think
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about later. Thank God I didn't start this timer
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yet. I think it's probably Brianna, honestly.
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Probably Brianna. Probably. I'm very competitive.
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It was probably me. Probably. Anyways, this is
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why we have a timer. A, because we can talk about
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this for 24 hours straight, and B, because tangents
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may occur, and we need to stay disciplined, like
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I said. So I'm about to start the timer on the
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count of three, because today we're taking on
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the daunting task of discussing Ed and Lorraine
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Warren. Three. Welcome to our podcast where we
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take deep dives looking at various topics through
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a paranormal lens. Let's go. The timer started.
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Let's get started, man. We're pressed for time.
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So Ed and Lorraine Warren, eh? Yeah. Where do
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we begin? oh gosh i don't know where to begin
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but i thought it was a good idea to bring up
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the topic with you know the new movie coming
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out the end of the the series i think it's supposed
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to be the end of the series and it already came
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out because we angela and i saw it yeah i still
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haven't seen it i'm a slacker so just just because
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you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's like coming
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out like it already i don't even know it already
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came out it might even be out of theaters It
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probably is. But anyways, it's come out. It's
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spooky season. Now's the time to talk about it.
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Because when else do you do it? This is a paranormal
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podcast, so we could talk about it at any time.
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But I feel like now's the ideal time. Better
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to get it out of the way now. At least while
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it's still a little relevant to the masses. I
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think for you, Bree, because you grew up, I believe,
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with one of Ed's books. So you might have an
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earlier start in exposure to the Warrens and
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perhaps Angela and I. Am I remembering that right?
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I didn't have, no. So when the first Conjuring
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movie came out, I got super like... into the
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lore and like everything about ed and lorraine
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warren like i'm sure a lot of people did and
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like i had like the free sample of like the first
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chapter of the ed of ed's book the demonologist
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i never actually bought it because i was a cheap
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high school student um and i had this all wrong
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I had this hyped up in my head, like, you studied
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in your youth, and you're like, I got a free
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sample. After I saw the movie. I didn't actually
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read the book. Yeah, I was picturing Bree just
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sitting on her bed every night, just reading
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the chapter. With the flashlight. Taking full
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-on notes, being like, oh, so this is one demon
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I've seen. It was like invisible ink, because
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she wasn't allowed to have a book about demonology
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in the house. Yeah. No, I did not own The Deaconologist.
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I would. I would. Just to be able to read it.
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But, no, I think, like most people, my first
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introduction to The Warrens, well, I wouldn't
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say most people. Most people our age, our first
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introduction to The Warrens was The Conjuring
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movies. Yeah. It's safe to assume that between
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all three of us. Or did you know about them previously?
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i knew about them previously um i didn't know
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wait how did you know about them previously um
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no that's a really good question i feel like
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if you're in the space their names come up i
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didn't realize they were a it was more of a passing
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knowledge like hey these were people that used
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to do paranormal stuff before people did paranormal
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stuff i don't think i knew anything beyond that
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uh definitely not i didn't think they were like
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as big of a deal as they actually truly are in
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being true pioneers i mean we'll get to the if
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they're really as great and and of people and
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people we should be endorsing you know um there's
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definitely some issues with them but also You
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know, there's no denying that they were pioneers.
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A lot of what we view as paranormal. I mean,
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the whole Zach Bagans schtick, you know, everything's
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a demon. All that can be traced right back to
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the Warrens. You know, like the way the paranormal
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is viewed in mainstream right now has a lot to
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owe to Ed and Lorraine Warren. I 100 % agree.
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Especially right now, too, in this last decade
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because of the movies and stuff. Absolutely.
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I don't know that I would be as involved in the
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paranormal if it wasn't for the Conjuring movies
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coming out and me getting so focused on the history
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and everything of Ed and Lorraine Warren. Cause
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man, like I, I would do deep dives and like,
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so, um, when I was in high school, essentially
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before that, I, my, my family was a little late
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to the technology game. Like we had flip phones
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until like, I didn't get a smartphone until I
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was like a month before college and we got a
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smart TV. So, you know, every night we'd like
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spend the night like scrolling on. either netflix
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or youtube or whatever because that wasn't something
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we had access to previously i feel like a lot
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more people got that earlier like when the stuff
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was coming out my family got a little bit of
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a late start compared to some people i think
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mine kind of did too honestly so when the when
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the conjuring movies came out my parents and
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i would like scroll on youtube and like find
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all the old like interview clips and like um
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do the deep dives and just watch all these things
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about ed and lorraine warren and that's how i
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found out about like the demonologist book and
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was like partially read into that and it just
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you read one chapter into that just one chapter
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my one chapter um but you know even with that
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one it's not a phase it's not a phase i swear
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it's not a chapter even but that one chapter
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like really did um impact me because like that
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was my first introduction like to the different
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kinds of hauntings like the residual hauntings
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and intelligent and demonic and all those things
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because that was like in the first chapter talking
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about it and i do have a question did he go in
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depth about sandwiches when he was talking about
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residual hauntings not that i recall no see we're
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just on top of the game a little bit when it
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comes yeah yeah We're the pickle on the top of
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the sandwich. Exactly. I'm so sorry. I was very,
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very heavily influenced in my paranormal career,
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I guess you could call it, by the Warrens early
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on. Yeah, I mean, I wasn't that far off. I mean,
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when I say, like, when we were younger, you read
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the book, like, I know our... first thought was
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like five -year -old Brianna but like compared
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to the rest of us we started I started doing
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paranormal stuff in 2017 so you being in high
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school that's still you're a kid I mean what
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what five -year -olds are really I was probably
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like 15 16 yeah so at this point a while ago
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10 years ago 10 years ago yeah which really isn't
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that long ago if you think about it but um it's
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half your life ago so yeah i mean half your life
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you've been on on the on the path you you know
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one of my favorite things did you uh discover
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this in your research you know early on um about
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the warrens one of my favorite things about them
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like my favorite fun fact is when they were first
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start and like no one knew who they were or even
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what paranormal investigating really was like
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the way they would get in like access to haunted
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houses was ed warren was like a painter so he
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would just like like a freaking creep he would
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like just stand there and like paint allegedly
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someone's house yeah and then yeah he would walk
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yeah no i actually i actually don't remember
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i don't remember that little factoid that's funny
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Like, how creepy is it? That might be creepier
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than it goes. Like, imagine this guy. I mean,
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I'm picturing, like, old Ed, but, like, at the
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time he was probably in his, like, 20s or 30s.
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But still, imagine us going up and painting someone's
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house. And you're like, hey, I painted your house.
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And they're like, oh. Oh. And then they're like,
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also, can I see if my painting is accurate? Oh,
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yeah. Also, there's. ghost there can we come
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back later you can have this painting for free
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if you exchange it for a seance hang on one second
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so when you say painting the house you mean painting
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a portrait of the yeah portrait yes okay i was
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imagining you saying that he was going and painting
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people's houses without their permission and
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then be like hey i painted your house and i'm
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like yeah that was really weird that's even better
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Just a random guy painting your house. Yeah,
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that's so much weirder and creepier than... No,
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he would paint a portrait. He would get his fucking
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canvas on an easel and he would paint. Yeah,
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no, I understand now. I understand now. But the
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way you said it... And then he would exchange
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the portrait for an investigation. This is how
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I'm teaching this. Is that like... He's standing
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on the other side of the road in front of this
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haunted house, painting it at like 7 in the morning.
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The people, the household people of the household.
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The household people of the household. Can you
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say household? Oh, don't. We're on a timer. And
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be like, what a beautiful day. Wait a minute.
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Is that Ed? Is that Ed Warren right there? What's
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he doing with that paintbrush? I wonder now.
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Do you picture him going like that? Because you
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can't just paint like, I mean, maybe he did paint
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in like an hour, but do you picture him going
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every day, like on the sidewalk where they can't
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do anything? And they're like, get out of my,
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get off my lawn. He's like, I'm on your sidewalk.
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And then like every morning, they're like, what's
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that kid doing back on the sidewalk? He's looking
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into our windows. He hasn't moved for four days
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straight. And then suddenly they open their window.
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Oh, that kid is gone. Heck yeah. And then he's
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standing on the porch. Yeah, he's on the porch.
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It's like a jump scare. It's like, hi. Probably
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better than any of the jump scares in the movies.
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That would have been so good if they included
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something like that. It's like, I painted a portrait
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of your house. And then they're like, that's
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what you were. Well, that's what you were doing
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for the last four days. I see now. He's just
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like, I'm not selling it to you. I'm not a salesman.
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I have nothing to sell. I just want to show you.
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Yeah, this is the only thing they did for free.
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Because in the last four, like, 20 years, they're
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selling $300 ticket seat spaghetti with Annabelle.
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Which, okay, so they actually did that. They
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did, like, sold, like, dinners with Annabelle
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while she was, like, behind glass. Really? Do
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you think it's just because they had to do the
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whole show and tell with the oven mitts? And
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they were like, well, we have oven mitts to let's
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make some spaghetti. May as well use them for
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something. No. Never know. You never know. Never
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know. Anyways. Anyways. My least favorite thing
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about Ed Warren. It got silent. Yeah, because
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I want to know what it is. We kind of know, but
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hang on, I'm putting in my other headphones so
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I can hear this so clearly. Well, I don't...
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Who the fuck is Judith Penny? Oh... Like, this
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girl was, like, living in their house? Like,
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what's the backstory? Who is this girl? Where
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do they find this girl? I don't know. I don't
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really know. I don't know. I kind of want to
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know, though. There's this rumor for the people
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listening. It's known that this girl named Judith
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Penny, I believe, was her name. Double check.
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Because they also had a daughter named Judy,
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so it gets confusing. So, yes, Judith Penny was
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this girl that, like, she was a child. And she
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lived... in the warren's house for a time what
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counts as a child though like teenage or younger
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um below the age of consent okay um and it is
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alleged that she had sexual relations with ed
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warren and it is also alleged that she witnessed
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ed warren physically abusing lorraine warren
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on multiple occasions which is a very uh i don't
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even know what it is it's it's so it's alleged
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but also i saw that it is it is i believe it
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is known to be a fact that the contract that
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lorraine warren signed for the conjuring movies
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in It must have been 2013, 2014. She added a
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clause to the contract saying that the movies
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could not depict her or her husband doing illegal
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activities, including having sexual relations
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with children, which is a really weird and random
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thing to personally request. Yeah. Have included.
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Yeah, that just sounds like they're admitting
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to it, honestly. We're not saying they. or guilty
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of anything or did admit to anything. I mean,
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adding it to a... But there's enough reasons
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to not like them without even knowing that fact.
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It's just a little icky. It is a little icky.
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It's not a little, it's a lot. It's really icky.
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Whether it's true or not, just the fact that
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there was a minor who was living with them. Yep.
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Allegedly. The rumor's gotta come from something.
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Already a little icky. Yeah, and when I was trying
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to research it, too, and we'll move on from this,
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you have to mention it, but I was trying to research
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it, and I was like, Judith Penny, and it just
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kept coming up. Judy Warren. Like, it's just
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a little weird. That their daughter's name is,
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like, Judas Judy, and then there's this Judas
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in the house. The whole thing is weird. It's
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a little hanky. Yeah. But like Brianna said,
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even without that icky elephant in the room,
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so to speak, when you mention the Warrens, there's
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other things that perhaps... make them not the
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best role models at least still today um for
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people to look up to as like proper investigating
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yeah you mean everything's a demon yeah we'll
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see and with that um with that part that you
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just mentioned angela that both ed and lorraine
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warren were heavily devout catholics and in catholicism
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it is the belief that any spirits or entities
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you are communicating with are not human yeah
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and they are all demonic in some way so i can't
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put it past them yeah it makes sense they're
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very religious um but it's just of course but
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with what we do that isn't what we agree with
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so but but what is universally i think wrong
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is most cases that they investigated uh if there
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was any paranormal activity it was minor if that
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like very few of the cases they investigated
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were you know to the scale of a haunting that
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they alleged it was after they left yeah it's
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not like the movies it was a trend of little
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activity little to no activity the warns come
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in The place is the most haunted place in the
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whole wide universe, and then they leave and
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nothing happens ever again. Yeah. They were very
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showboaty. Finding demons where there are none.
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Yes. As opposed to, like, what's your belief
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on this entity we encountered? If they were doing
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what they did nowadays, they would be considered
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clickbait. yeah like it would be it would be
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they are 100 clickbait that's a good way of putting
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it i never really thought of it like that did
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they create the demon caught on camera they might
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have not clickbait i mean don't they have like
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i mean they do have recordings and like videos
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of some of their stuff of people who are they
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think were possessed If we find an image that
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they took with the red circle and their little
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old face, then we know they invented the microgenre.
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It is no -no that Ed did intentionally fake some
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paranormal photos. Really? Now, I didn't know
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about this. Yeah, this is where Judith... penny
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comes back to haunt one more time she um alleged
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that um she was actually one of the models or
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he's calling her a model maybe it's a making
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out to be she she wore like white sheets and
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posed as a ghost in some of the photos she claims
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but even beyond if it was her or not he did fake
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a few photos that he showed on college campuses
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during lectures I hadn't heard about that, but
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I believe it. A few. That's the weird thing with
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the Warrens. It's like they faked a few photos
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here. They said a hundred of these cases are
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the most powerful demons in the whole wide universe,
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even though there's nothing at the site at all,
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ghosts or otherwise. It's just not haunted. But
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then you have a few cases where they were dead
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on. And they, you know, like, yeah, they helped
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these families. They were semi -accurate in assessing
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the situation. And the place was actually, I
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mean, the places would have been haunted regardless
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if they came or not, but still. Yeah. Yeah. I
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mean, is it like a broken clock is always going
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to be right? How does that thing go? I have no
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idea. A broken clock is still right twice a day.
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I don't know. You hit the nail on the... How
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does that go? We're gonna just skip past this.
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No idioms today. No idioms. I'm leaving again
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if this happens. No idioms. No joking. I'm out
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of here. I'm not signing up for none of that
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stuff. But how is this podcast going to keep
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going without any joking? I'm joking when I say
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none of this. Sure, okay. Imagine having to be
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serious. Yeah, imagine. Imagine. Okay, ten minute
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warning. There's so much to talk about. I know.
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So, Bree, you have something on the tip of your
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tongue. I did, and now it's gone because we started
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talking about nails on coffins and things, and
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my brain got distracted. I believe we've mentioned
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in the past Amityville being fake. Yes. So some
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of those stuff we've already mentioned. What
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were you going to say? One of the things that
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I wanted to talk about and mention was the fact
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that Ed Warren was one of the only people recognized
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and ordained by the Catholic Church who is not
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a priest to be a demonologist and be able to
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perform exorcisms. That's kind of huge. It is,
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yeah. The fact that he had that permission and
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knowledge and that respect within the catholic
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community is like kind of big but also with that
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counter contradicting like the fact that they
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would go into these situations and present and
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have like things that weren't actually real or
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fake things is insane because as someone who
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is representing the catholic church you think
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there would be more um you know backlash from
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that yeah i will and i just arguably i gave the
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biggest dump on ed this whole episode so um i
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will give the benefit of the doubt here just
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throwing it out a devil's advocate they do you
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think there's an element of like trial and error
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of like they they were the first people to do
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this this was a job do you think it was like
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okay we're gonna do this for real behind closed
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doors for the church but then when we go and
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try to tell the masses like put yourself in the
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time it's not like now where yeah you can just
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go to a college campus and be like so ghosts
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right i mean there's a scene in the new movie
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where they try to explain like ghosts and everyone's
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just like ghostbusters show me your have you
26:28
ever caught a marshmallow man like no one knew
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what um paranormal investigating was so do you
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think there was a little bit of you know behind
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the scenes like you know i know this isn't right
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but do we need to do this for people to understand
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type of thing just just Yeah, that's interesting.
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I hadn't looked at it that way. I'm not saying
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I do either, I'm just saying. Might be a thought
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to keep in the back of your brain. Going back
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to your point, he was a self -taught demonologist
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too. How wild is that? Does that also, do you
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think, in your opinion, Brie, kind of invalidate...
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I mean, how do you... Maybe not invalidate, but
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how do you weigh that? No one just becomes a
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demonologist in the Catholic Church just overnight.
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't even know how you
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would do that. Just read a lot of books? I feel
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like you need a lot of experience to become a
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self -taught demonologist or self -taught exorcist.
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Whatever he was. Like, did he get a how -to guide
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off Craigslist? I don't, like, how do you even
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go about that? Especially back then. I actually
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do have the answer. Oh, you do? Yeah. So, there
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was a well -known demonologist out in the East
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Coast, and he found out where this guy lived,
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and he painted his house. Oh my god, Ben. Are
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you making this up, or is this... He exchanged
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his portrait for the Secrets of the Universe.
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You're making this up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But
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also, he was a self -taught painter, and that...
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So, maybe you have to self -teach yourself how
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to paint to then paint your way to becoming a
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self -taught demonologist. How absurd. Become
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a painter. yes there's a lot of money in paint
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and ghosts somehow he made a living doing both
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yeah i feel like i don't know i just like popped
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in my brain because we're talking about painting
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and ghost hunting and all that stuff and i feel
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like you know there there are people who use
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paint as a medium for um connecting like they
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with spirits like so automatic um writing yeah
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kind of i mean that's i mean it's interesting
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i wonder if like i mean yeah he was painting
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portraits of the house but like was he specifically
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painting them because he thought there was something
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going on there and trying to connect or like
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i mean was that the point was there an element
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of like a preliminary investigation through art
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That's really cool. That's really cool. So I
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guess to end this, like I said, we need to keep
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a timer because we can talk all day. So what's
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your final stance? The important part with the
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Warrens is they made such a big impact on the
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paranormal community. It would not be what it
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is today without them. But... There is the unfortunate
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parts of history where they kind of leave a stain
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on the community as well. So you can't have the
30:14
paranormal community without the Warrens, but
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they're there. And we haven't even gone into
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the cult. I consider them a cult. Every event
30:27
we do that's a large event, there's always some
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person that's like, they... have a photo that
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they took with ed and lauren warren like 50 years
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ago that they have framed and they said like
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i met the warrens i'm continuing their legacy
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uh everything's a demon and you need to prepare
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for the spiritual warfare you know it's like
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there's all these people out there i think it's
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like kind of cultish yeah people look up to them
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too heavily on information you know Because also,
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the paranormal is always evolving, right? Yeah.
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The paranormal is a constantly evolving field.
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And when someone consistently makes wild claims
31:16
back in the 1960s through the 80s, right? That
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wasn't at their prime. When someone's consistently
31:29
making wild claims and have a movie franchise
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based on their cases 50 years ago. I mean, you
31:39
can have them as role models, but also acknowledge
31:42
that their books aren't gospel. Especially when
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even they, their first books. naturally contradicts
31:53
some of the things they said contradict with
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things they said later in their later books.
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Because they were even learning and evolving.
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So you can't just pick up one book by them and
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be like, what is it here? It's true. Or read
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just one chapter. True. They didn't even talk
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about the sandwiches! Ah! See, they're missing
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something right there. They didn't pick up on
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the sandwiches. No. What are your final thoughts,
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Angela, on the Warrens? I don't know. Do you
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think about them much outside of the movies?
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No, I just like the movies. I'm not a fan of
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them. I'm a fan of the movies. Yeah. I feel like
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there are some people in the paranormal community
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that focus and use their books, their information
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too heavily and don't think for themselves. Like
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you said, they view it as the Bible, a gospel.
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You know what I mean? It's just... I don't know.
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I'll give them that, though. The Warrens had
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a way of exploiting families and their fears
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for money, so if you are going to follow in the
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footsteps of the Warrens, you might as well exploit
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the Warrens' legacy for your own personal gain,
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because that's what they would have done. Huh.
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I guess that's one way to look at it. That's
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how you look at it through a paranormal lens,
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