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Teen cheerleader burned alive, Jessica's moms tells her heartbreaking story · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: I just didn't want to believe it at first when
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Speaker 1: they called me, you know, I thought maybe, uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: she was just burned just a little bit, you know.
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Speaker 1: Uh didn't uh didn't. I couldn't imagine the scale it was,
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Speaker 1: you know, And I asked Barril, was she okay? And
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Speaker 1: you know, and he got real solid and uh he said, no, Ben,
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Speaker 1: she she was not. And that's when my whole world fail,
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Speaker 1: you know. He uh told me he wouldn't tell me
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Speaker 1: actually where it was at. Do you want me to
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Speaker 1: stay there at the house and to share and him
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Speaker 1: come to my house? In about five minutes they was
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Speaker 1: at the house and uh, he told me, you know,
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Speaker 1: how bad she was burnt. And they was flying her
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Speaker 1: to Memphis. And a matter of fact, when we were
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Speaker 1: standing out in the yard, to helicopter come over to
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Speaker 1: pick her up. And so I took off to Memphis.
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Speaker 1: We beat the helicopter to Memphis, which is only about
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Speaker 1: fifty something miles from my house. We'd beat We beat
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Speaker 1: the helicopter there, you know, And I was just steady,
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Speaker 1: prey in the lord. It should be okay, you know, uh,
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Speaker 1: and what you know, just begging her. Well, when I
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Speaker 1: got to the hospital, of I didn't even know park
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Speaker 1: my vehicle. You have to, you know, pay to get
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Speaker 1: in the park. I just parked in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the street, took off running in the hospital or whatever.
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Speaker 1: And of of course when I got in there and didn't
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Speaker 1: nobody know nothing about it or anything. You got to
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Speaker 1: get a badge. And and then and finally I asked
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Speaker 1: my said, where's the Burns Center or whatever? Where is
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Speaker 1: the part of the Burns Center? And you know, they said,
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Speaker 1: well as upstairs down the hallway. And I just took
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Speaker 1: off running, you know. And a matter of fact, I
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Speaker 1: went in places I wasn't supposed to be, you know, Uh,
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Speaker 1: trying to find her. They didn't even know nothing about it.
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Speaker 1: And of course then they started calling around and they said, well,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, the helicopter's landing right now, you know,
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Speaker 1: and uh and we had to wait, wait, wait, you know,
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Speaker 1: wait on the doctor and saying like was the attorney
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Speaker 1: to you know? Uh and no idea when doctor the
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Speaker 1: doctor come out he shouldn't do before who had in
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Speaker 1: the face of overwhelming evidence of guilt against a man,
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Speaker 1: Quentin tell Us, who was accused in the horrific burning
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Speaker 1: death of a beautiful young Mississippi cheerleader. A second mistrial
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Speaker 1: has been declared after that Mississippi jury failed to reach
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Speaker 1: a verdict. We want justice. I Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. You are
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Speaker 1: hearing me speak to Jessica's dad, ben On hl n
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Speaker 1: In joining me right now. It's a very critical piece
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Speaker 1: of the uzzle. This is Jessica's mother joining us. Lisa Chambers,
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Speaker 1: Miss Chambers, thank you for being with us. Miss Chambers.
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Speaker 1: You have no idea how many thoughts and prayers have
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Speaker 1: been lifted up for you and your family throughout this
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Speaker 1: horrific ordeal. When you learned this jury had mistried. What
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Speaker 1: was your reaction? Unbelievable? Um hm, how can you looks
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Speaker 1: and evidence and it's it's right? They are uh, I
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Speaker 1: mean it was perfect. He's guilty. They're so doubt you know,
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Speaker 1: Miss Chambers. I recall all the cases I prosecuted, many
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Speaker 1: many more more than I can't even remember, and in
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Speaker 1: jury trials. I looked to the victims family they because
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Speaker 1: if they were convinced, in my mind, they were the
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Speaker 1: people of all the people in the world that want
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Speaker 1: most to have justice, to put the right guy behind bars.
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Speaker 1: And the fact that you and your family firmly believe
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Speaker 1: Quentin tell Us killed your girl, Jessica convinces me even more.
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Speaker 1: Even in addition to all the evidence, Miss Chambers, where
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Speaker 1: were you when you learned this jury had hung? We
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Speaker 1: were in the room at the courthouse, in the family room.
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Speaker 1: What happened? They just came and told us that the
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Speaker 1: jury was told that we could leave or to beat
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Speaker 1: traffic and the al the media just we could claim
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Speaker 1: no and we do. Listen, this this go around was crazy.
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Speaker 1: I just just go around. Um it was kind of
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Speaker 1: crazy at the courthouse. Um yeah, people following you had
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Speaker 1: stuff like you know, kind of intimidations, and they wanted
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Speaker 1: us to go ahead and come before everybody got out.
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Speaker 1: You mean people were following you around the courthouse for what,
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Speaker 1: around town, just hollering out you know, frequent um justice
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Speaker 1: for quit things like that. Oh, my stars, these chambers.
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Speaker 1: I did not know that. I am so sorry those
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Speaker 1: people did that. I remember trying cases and I would
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Speaker 1: leave the courthouse late in the day during a jury
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Speaker 1: trial and already be dark, and there would be I
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Speaker 1: called it running the gauntlet walking down the courthouse steps,
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Speaker 1: and there would be all the defendant's family and friends jeering,
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Speaker 1: making comments. And at the time, you know, I didn't
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Speaker 1: realize how dangerous that was. It just more irritated me
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Speaker 1: than anything else. But there were many times I'd have
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Speaker 1: to take a sheriff of escort to the car or
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Speaker 1: various techniques. I cannot believe people did that. But I
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Speaker 1: won't be intimidated. UM. I want my daughter to have
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Speaker 1: justice at any cost. I don't care. Do you think
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Speaker 1: this jury has any idea that Quentin tell Us is
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Speaker 1: awaiting another murder charge in Louisiana? Probably, um, I'm not sure,
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Speaker 1: But I didn't know one of them had watched the
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Speaker 1: first two episodes of that Oxygen documentary. That's very right now.
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Speaker 1: How do you know that? So we were told, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's it's a shame that you have to wait for
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Speaker 1: another jurisdiction to put tell Us behind bars for life.
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Speaker 1: But I'm just stunned right now to to rest April
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Speaker 1: uh investigative reporter with the Clarion Ledger to rest, I
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Speaker 1: had no idea that people were haters were following Miss
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Speaker 1: Chambers around the courthouse and around town, yelling out jeers
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Speaker 1: at her as she's sitting in court every day trying
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Speaker 1: to represent her daughter who was murdered. I firmly believe
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Speaker 1: by Quentin tell Us. You know, one of the things
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Speaker 1: that that happened this time that didn't happen last year
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Speaker 1: was that there were people were using the term protesters, UM.
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Speaker 1: There were people standing outside the courtroom with signs that said,
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Speaker 1: as she said, you know, said frequent. You know, there
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Speaker 1: are different things like that that we didn't see before.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what the shift was except for that,
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Speaker 1: probably just a continued national attention on this case. UM.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I saw overall a lot more activity um
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Speaker 1: from the community this time, UM that was directed at
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Speaker 1: at the Chambers family, and you just can't believe they
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Speaker 1: would pick on the victims family. It's miss Chambers. When
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Speaker 1: you say you will not be intimidated, what do you
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Speaker 1: mean by that? But I won't be intimidated. I just
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Speaker 1: won't let anybody stop me from trying to get justice
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Speaker 1: from my daughter. Um, I won't let them intimidate me,
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Speaker 1: no matter what they say. I don't care. I know
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Speaker 1: he's guilty and that's just how it is. Um, They're
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Speaker 1: not gonna make me back down. I won't justice from
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Speaker 1: my daughter. I didn't get to see her right then.
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Speaker 1: You know that. It was a two hours before we
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Speaker 1: uh got to go back there, you know, and the
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Speaker 1: doctor come out and hey, tell me, Mr Chamber, she
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Speaker 1: don't want to say your don rut. Yes, I do anything. No,
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Speaker 1: she don't recognizable you know, you know you don't recognize it. Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know he said, you've never seen somebody in that
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Speaker 1: bad could live as long as she did. She had
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Speaker 1: a strong heart, I mean she had and no names
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Speaker 1: or nothing, uh where they can even for the I V.
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Speaker 1: S in or nothing. You know, Mr Chambers. Did you
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Speaker 1: get to speak to her before she went to happen? No? No, no,
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Speaker 1: oh man did not Did you get to see her?
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Speaker 1: I know? No, she is is if we got ready
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Speaker 1: to go into the room or whatever. My sister and
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Speaker 1: her mother Lisa walk in the rooms and to see
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Speaker 1: they was in there. And maybe about thirty seconds away
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Speaker 1: you were hearing me speaking with Jessica's father, Ben Chambers
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Speaker 1: on a chill in describing that horrible day he gets
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Speaker 1: the call that his daughter had been burned badly, and
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Speaker 1: he races so fast he actually beats the helicopter to
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Speaker 1: the hospital and never got to say goodbye to her.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a woman I wanted to
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Speaker 1: speak to for so long, that has been the focus
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Speaker 1: of prayers, thoughts for so long. Now it is Jessica
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Speaker 1: Chambers mother Lisa, who has just endured a second trial
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Speaker 1: of the men she believes murdered her daughter, burned her alive,
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Speaker 1: and she vows she will seek justice on Quentin tell
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Speaker 1: Us regardless of what this jury did with me. Lisa Chambers,
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Speaker 1: Miss Chambers, again, thank you for being with us this
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Speaker 1: Chambers that day. What led up to the moment that
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Speaker 1: you discovered Jessica had been burned so badly? Nothing? Really?
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Speaker 1: She had been asleep, Um, she left home um around
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Speaker 1: five fifteen. I talked to her again about and then
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Speaker 1: I got a call from well, excuse me. My son
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Speaker 1: went to leave the house at like eight I think
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Speaker 1: it was eight thirty two, and Debbie Ben's wife was
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Speaker 1: in the driveway collar and come on, Dave sent her
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Speaker 1: on fire. And I'm like, said who on fire? And
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Speaker 1: she said Jessica, And I said no, I just got
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Speaker 1: off the phone with her, and she said, yes, come
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Speaker 1: on the chairs at my house. So I rode down
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Speaker 1: to her house, which is just probably two hundred feet
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Speaker 1: for mine, and they told us that that Gad's been
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Speaker 1: settle fire and we got into I wanted to go
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Speaker 1: to the country. Day said no, So we've gotten the
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Speaker 1: vehicle and to the mad Miss Chambers. Did you get
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Speaker 1: to see Jessica before she went to heaven? Yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: Did you speak to her? Could she speak to you? No, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: I spoke to her, but she couldn't. She couldn't speak
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Speaker 1: to me. What did you tell her? Do you remember?
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Speaker 1: I just told her that Mom and that he were there,
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Speaker 1: that Daddy was in the waiting room, okay, a little
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Speaker 1: to be old baby, and that it was okay if
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Speaker 1: she made it to so that she could go that
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Speaker 1: moment that he would be okay, Yes, she went, Miss Chambers,
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Speaker 1: You're you're bringing back so many memories to me. When
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Speaker 1: my dad passed away just recently, everyone my brother and
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Speaker 1: my sister and my mom and our around him, and
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Speaker 1: everyone was saying, you can go, you can go. And
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Speaker 1: I was caught up in his ear and went, don't go,
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Speaker 1: don't do not go. You gotta stay with me. I'll
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Speaker 1: never forget it. She wasn't in social the shape that
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Speaker 1: you know you had to tell her she could go.
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Speaker 1: I know I was selfish. I was selfish, Miss Chambers.
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Speaker 1: I was completely wrong. I just felt like she held
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Speaker 1: on long enough to know we were there to hear
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Speaker 1: out of the ways and I went through it with
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Speaker 1: my stepfather and there was no way. She said. I
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Speaker 1: mean I would take her play with any day. I
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Speaker 1: know you would. I know you would. Miss Chambers. Just
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Speaker 1: breaks my heart to hear you because I know I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know the suffering you've been through.
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Speaker 1: Because you know what my fiancee was murdered. I thought, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know, I know about pain with my father. It
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Speaker 1: was really my soul mate in this world. When I
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Speaker 1: lost him, just it was beside myself. But I cannot
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Speaker 1: even imagine losing a child. I just can't imagine losing
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Speaker 1: my John, David or Lucy, Miss Chambers. Do you feel
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Speaker 1: that Jessica has tried to communicate with you since she
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Speaker 1: went to heaven? Yes, ma'am. I always I think of
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Speaker 1: Jessica as a butterfly, um and even in de summer,
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Speaker 1: but once she was Sari, I saw a blue butterfly,
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Speaker 1: and I see blue butterfly a lot, and it just
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Speaker 1: feels comforting like you here. I want to go to
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Speaker 1: Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist joining me, which means he's
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Speaker 1: not only a medical doctor, but he has studied psychiatry
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Speaker 1: as well. Dr Bober, I know you um educated and
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Speaker 1: sophisticated and well read, but you probably don't believe in
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Speaker 1: messages from beyond. I do. But my question do you
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Speaker 1: as not about that? My question do you as how
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Speaker 1: does the human mind process not just a loss, but
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Speaker 1: a loss so horrific caused by this man? Quentin? Tell us?
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Speaker 1: How do you absorb that? Because I can remember after
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Speaker 1: my fiancee was murdered, it, I mean months and months
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Speaker 1: had passed and I would hold my mother and not
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Speaker 1: let her look away, and hold her by the shoulders.
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Speaker 1: Ago mother is Keith dead. It's like I just couldn't
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Speaker 1: take it in months had passed, Nancy. This family has
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Speaker 1: been through more pain and suffering than I can even imagine.
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Speaker 1: You know, very often, when you have a loss of
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Speaker 1: this magnitude, you know, it doesn't even really set in,
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Speaker 1: uh for several months, and you know, and initially you
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Speaker 1: know there's a lot of support from the community and family,
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Speaker 1: but the hardest time is several months later when everyone
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Speaker 1: sort of goes back to their own life and you're
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Speaker 1: left with that emptiness and that loss. So again, my
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Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers go out to the family and I
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Speaker 1: just can't even imagine the suffering they've gone through, you know,
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Speaker 1: to Kenyan Johnson joining me Atlanta veteran prosecutor. It's not
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Speaker 1: only does a family have to deal with the loss
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Speaker 1: in a case like this, and all of them, then
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Speaker 1: they can't grieve, it can't um heal because then they've
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Speaker 1: got to go through a trial. And the Chambers family
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Speaker 1: has now had to go through two trials and it's
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Speaker 1: still not over. It's very touching because the family members
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Speaker 1: have to hear this testimony over and over again, every
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Speaker 1: latest development, every comment. Prosecutors are coming back and keeping
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Speaker 1: them up to date, and it's just very alive and
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Speaker 1: real and repetitive and hurtful and devastating, and but it's
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Speaker 1: necessary for the process of speaking jestive. What about it
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Speaker 1: to Andy Patrick vetteran prosecutor out of California, how do
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Speaker 1: you help a family go through something like this when
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Speaker 1: they've got to relive it for trial? Yeah, Nancy, it's very,
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Speaker 1: very difficult, and our our prayers are are with the
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Speaker 1: Chambers family. This is one of the most violent methods
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Speaker 1: of execution. We'll call it what it is one can imagine, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, is one of the reasons it may
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Speaker 1: have hung twice. There are some jurors and I know
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Speaker 1: Nancy and Kenya know this, that cannot conceive of another
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Speaker 1: human being being able to do this, and it is
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Speaker 1: that absolute doubt that is almost overwhelming and causes them
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Speaker 1: to not be able to convict even when the evidence
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Speaker 1: is equally overwhelming. So to be able to explain and
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Speaker 1: talk about that with the victims family sometimes provides at
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Speaker 1: least some measure of comfort to really fuel the bravery
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Speaker 1: that the Chambers family, and my heart goes out you,
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Speaker 1: they did a good job at all. I really don't.
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Speaker 1: With overwhelming evidence against Quentin tell Us, who had been
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Speaker 1: pestering Jessica Chambers, a young team cheerleader out of Mississippi,
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Speaker 1: for sex, all day long and she had been saying no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: with cell phone evidence placing the two of them together
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Speaker 1: out in a field, and then the cell phones going
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Speaker 1: both of them going to the spot where the car
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Speaker 1: and Jessica were set on fire. Then video surveillance I
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Speaker 1: guess from a neighbor's security camera spotting Quentin tell Us
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Speaker 1: and his sister's car going into his driveway where he
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Speaker 1: kept a gas canful of gas and a shed coming
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Speaker 1: right out in about two minutes, and then heading in
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Speaker 1: the direction of the fire. And then after that a
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Speaker 1: hitchhiker picking up a man who says his aunt, who
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Speaker 1: happens to be a relative of Quentin tell Us, is
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Speaker 1: who needs to go to her house because her house
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Speaker 1: had caught on fire, combined with the burn marks on
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Speaker 1: Quentin tell US's arms and hands, combined with Quintin tell
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Speaker 1: Us changing his story time after time, caught in lies
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Speaker 1: about where he was that day. I mean, what more
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Speaker 1: do you need to prove this case with me? Is
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Speaker 1: Lisa Chambers? This is Jessica's mother who is not giving up?
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Speaker 1: Miss Chambers, When you went to the hospital and you
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Speaker 1: stood by Jessica's bed in the hospital and you told
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Speaker 1: her that you were there, that her daddy was there,
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Speaker 1: and that she could go, what was going through your mind?
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Speaker 1: Do you even remember just that it wasn't real? But
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Speaker 1: it was? Um? How could somebody have been this star? Um?
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Speaker 1: That was my baby? Would she would have been pay
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Speaker 1: any that? I didn't know what to do? How about
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Speaker 1: pick it? Couldn't you just want to do whatever you teen?
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Speaker 1: I have now her feel better. There was nothing that
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Speaker 1: could be but to tell her that it worked him
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Speaker 1: she could go, Miss Chambers, When you went in to
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Speaker 1: the hospital room, do you think that she could see you?
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Speaker 1: Do you think she knew that you were there? I
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Speaker 1: don't think she could see me, but yes I did
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Speaker 1: think he knew. Also, why do you say that I
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Speaker 1: think she held long until we got just from the
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Speaker 1: family was in morning, um, because I was saying him
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Speaker 1: when she passed, and I hadn't been there just very shortly, um,
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Speaker 1: just long enough to tell her that we were there
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Speaker 1: and that it was okay, and then she she went
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Speaker 1: right there with me. Send him aside her Miss Chambers
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Speaker 1: during this trial? What do you believe went wrong with
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Speaker 1: this jury? I believe they heart alot from the Eric
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Speaker 1: when I don't think that's what she said at all.
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Speaker 1: I think in her state of mind, if she was
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Speaker 1: unconscious at one point and driven to another point and
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Speaker 1: woke up on fire up against the tree, that possibly
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Speaker 1: she thought she had had a wreck, and that maybe
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Speaker 1: when she got out and she was trying to tell
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Speaker 1: him her name, and they instead of asking what happened,
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Speaker 1: they asked who? They just to you? And I think
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Speaker 1: she was trying to say, are all right? And they
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Speaker 1: got Eric from it. But that's just from Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to sheriff Detective Barry Thompson, And I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: gloss over the fact. Did you did you? Did you
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Speaker 1: contact Daniel coleby getting statements for first responders? And from
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Speaker 1: those statements was there a name that resonated yes? And
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Speaker 1: what was that mean? From the statements a lot of
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Speaker 1: the firemen had heard what they believed to be Eric
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Speaker 1: Gordack and was Eric Gordrick? Initially the thought yes, as
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Speaker 1: an investigator, did you close your investigation to only Eric
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Speaker 1: Dre's enough? But yes, at first they thought she was
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Speaker 1: saying eric, but on the witness stand they clarified she
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Speaker 1: was saying where that was interpreted to mean eric. But
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Speaker 1: listen to this speech pathologist, Dr Caroline Hickton. It would
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Speaker 1: because you have to have the breath pressure first, So
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Speaker 1: if the lungs are damaged, there not going to be
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Speaker 1: elastic enough to take in the amount of the air
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Speaker 1: to allow that to push on through the vocal folds.
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Speaker 1: And in the pharyngeal area you said a minute ago,
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Speaker 1: exactly what is that? The orangel area is what we
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Speaker 1: call our voice box. It's where our vocal folds are,
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Speaker 1: our larynx. And if those are damaged by inhalation of
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Speaker 1: smoke or fire, would that affect the ability to make
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Speaker 1: an articulate sound. Yes, it would. The vocal folds are
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Speaker 1: very thin and they're very pliable, and if there's anything
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Speaker 1: that attaches to those cords, it's going to keep them
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Speaker 1: from moving the way they should. I use my hands
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Speaker 1: like this, um, But I tell students all the time,
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Speaker 1: you um, the cords are to look like this, But
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Speaker 1: if there's anything impinging, like a growth or something hanging
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Speaker 1: on the cord, they're not going to close and open
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Speaker 1: the way they're supposed to translation. There was no way
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Speaker 1: Jessica Chambers was able to speak. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: the night that we discovered about Jessica's attack, At first
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Speaker 1: people believed and it was reported that it was a
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Speaker 1: death by lighter fluid. The inside of her mouth and
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Speaker 1: her throat and her air passages leading down to her
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Speaker 1: lungs looked as if someone had squirted lighter fluid down
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Speaker 1: her mouth and center on fire. They were actually charred
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Speaker 1: from smoke inhalation and breathing in around a fire. There's
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Speaker 1: no way she could have said anything. Many people believed
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Speaker 1: when she said which she was trying to say, tell Us,
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Speaker 1: We don't know what she was trying to say. There
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Speaker 1: is a mountain of evidence indicating proving Quentin tell Us
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Speaker 1: was guilty. Miss Chambers, Jessica's mother. What do you think
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Speaker 1: was the strongest evidence showing he did this thing to Jessica?
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Speaker 1: The cellphone that um and all the video every I mean,
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Speaker 1: he was with her on the phones, they're together. It's
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Speaker 1: just no possibility way that it was anyone else but
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Speaker 1: to Vincent Hill, cop turned private investigator. Vincent, I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable. It's fantastical to believe that he's pestering
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Speaker 1: her all day long, their cell phones are together, and
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Speaker 1: then one hour after they're together, she's dead. And what
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Speaker 1: somebody else snuck up in there in that forty five
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Speaker 1: minute window and killed her. That's crazy talk, It's crazy,
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Speaker 1: and Miss Chambers is right the cell phone data, Nancy
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Speaker 1: suggests without a doubt that this was Quentin. And one
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Speaker 1: of the things I found interesting at seven six tell
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Speaker 1: Us calls his sister and says hey, or he calls
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend and says, I'm walking to my sister's house.
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Speaker 1: And that route where Jessica was found, there's a cut
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Speaker 1: through that would lead to exactly where his sister lives. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, the evidence was right there, Nancy, I still
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Speaker 1: can't believe this jury could not come up with a
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Speaker 1: guilty verdict in this case. Miss Chambers, during the trial,
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Speaker 1: did you make eye contact with the jury? How were
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Speaker 1: they behaving? They were paying at chenchen, I mean it
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Speaker 1: seemed like they were paying a kitchen taking notes. Um,
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Speaker 1: this fury was much more a chance just than the
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Speaker 1: last the first jury. Um, he would have thought that, yeah,
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Speaker 1: they would come back. Definitely, what went through your mind
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Speaker 1: when they told you that jury hung Oh, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I can even say that, what would they
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Speaker 1: hang on? I don't you know. I was just total shock.
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Speaker 1: I mean this if it was like a perfect picture, Um,
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Speaker 1: I don't have it. I kept I'm still in shocking
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Speaker 1: that they did that. I'm just it's unbelievable. Why was
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Speaker 1: he down the street? Should have been the jail, you know,
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Speaker 1: the crabs. He was committed in the things why he
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Speaker 1: was in through that, he should have never been out.
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Speaker 1: He only got out of prison in October, and he
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Speaker 1: killed my daughter. And the problem you're hearing Jessica's father,
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Speaker 1: Ben Chambers, just incredulous in shock that Quentin tell Us,
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Speaker 1: the man I believe murdered his daughter Jessica, was even
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Speaker 1: walking the streets to start with with me right now
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Speaker 1: reacting to the jury's mistrial is Jessica's mother and Lisa,
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Speaker 1: and she is not giving up joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: Renowned criminal defense attorney Eric Johnson, Eric another jurisdiction is
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Speaker 1: waiting on him, Quentin tell Us to try him in
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Speaker 1: the murder of another young girl. He had been hanging
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Speaker 1: around and pastoring Mandy so in Louisiana a grad student.
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Speaker 1: How does the extradition process go? How will he get
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Speaker 1: to Louisiana for that trial. Well, the easiest way that
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Speaker 1: he can get there is to wave extradition and then
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Speaker 1: sign over in the state will come pick him up.
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Speaker 1: If you can test the matter. Then the state of
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Speaker 1: Louisiana would have to prove to the state that he's
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Speaker 1: in right now that they have evident against him and
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Speaker 1: charge against him that are valid and a warm for
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Speaker 1: his arrest. And once that has proven to a judge
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Speaker 1: in the state of Mississippi where he is right now,
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Speaker 1: he will be transported over to Louisiana to to rest.
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Speaker 1: April Clara Letcher, reporter, What exactly is the nature of
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Speaker 1: the evidence against this guy, Quinton tell Us In the
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Speaker 1: case of Mandy So's murder, Well, probably the biggest piece
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Speaker 1: of evidence he had used her credit cards and has
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Speaker 1: been convicted of basically a credit card fraud. They found
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Speaker 1: a receipt for seven cents where he went to check
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Speaker 1: and see if it worked. I think in addition, they
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Speaker 1: have him on video. But I think the biggest thing
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Speaker 1: is that they have a witness that I believe will
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Speaker 1: testify they were swapping stories of you know, one time I,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, robbed a gas station or something things
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Speaker 1: like that. And then quintin one time allegedly told him
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Speaker 1: that he had tortured a woman's death for her pen
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Speaker 1: number and then taking her credit cards to use them.
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Speaker 1: And when you look at the evidence in Mandy's case,
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Speaker 1: she was stabbed over thirty times with superficial stabs and
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Speaker 1: then once with a fatal stab, and authorities believed very
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Speaker 1: much that that's what Quentin was talking about. These two
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Speaker 1: murders are separated by only about two five miles and
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Speaker 1: eight months. The common link is Quentin tell Us. Mandy So,
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Speaker 1: a graduate student in Louisiana, apparently had some relationship up
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Speaker 1: friend wise not romantic with Quentin tell Us. She was
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Speaker 1: there at University of Louisiana at Monroe and cops say
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Speaker 1: whoever killed her stabbed her about thirty seven times inside
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Speaker 1: her apartment. Neighbors identify Quentin tell Us around her apartment
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Speaker 1: that day. Not only that, but video footage shows them
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Speaker 1: together at a Walmart the day before. They say that
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Speaker 1: tell Us picked up so prescription for a pain killer,
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Speaker 1: common pain killer called it lor tab. And we also
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Speaker 1: learned the neighbors say they saw tell Us coming in
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Speaker 1: and out of her apartment in the days leading up
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Speaker 1: to her death, that the neighbors felt quote creeped out
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Speaker 1: by tell Us. Then we find out he calls his
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Speaker 1: family and gets them to try to use Mandy's a
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Speaker 1: T M card at a Chase Bank Okay trying to
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Speaker 1: che trying to check the balance in her account. Then
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Speaker 1: two calls go to Chase Bank from tell Us his
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Speaker 1: phone with her pen. Okay entered into the phone to
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Speaker 1: find out the balance. The next day, he asked his
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Speaker 1: mother in law's neighbor to take a quote blue Chase
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Speaker 1: debit card with a Chinese name on it. So Hso
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Speaker 1: to an a T M and get two thousand dollars. Wow,
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Speaker 1: I wonder who killed her? So we see the common
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Speaker 1: thread emerging, Miss Chambers, of a young girl, a young
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Speaker 1: woman who doesn't go along with his plan. In Mandy
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Speaker 1: So's case, it was give me your money, give me
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Speaker 1: all your money, let me drain your a t M.
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Speaker 1: Woe are all kill you? Or with Jessica, he passed
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Speaker 1: her for sex all day long. She said no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: So he killed her same m oh, Miss Chambers exactly
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Speaker 1: when you realize that he has killed not one, but
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Speaker 1: two young girls. How does that affect you, Miss Chambers?
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Speaker 1: Mandy would be alive, Jessica would be alive had he
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Speaker 1: not ever gotten out early in the first place. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's if they hadn't called him with Mandy. I wonder
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Speaker 1: if they had ever caught him at all. How many
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Speaker 1: more would there be if somebody, some jury didn't pay attention.
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Speaker 1: I have to say there will be more. I think
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Speaker 1: he hasn't no conscious, he doesn't, he doesn't care. And
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Speaker 1: it's just I can't believe that he's allowed to do this.
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Speaker 1: I just don't understand. I can't either, and not either Mischambers,
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Speaker 1: how has this what he did to Jessica? And I
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Speaker 1: pray to God that the Lord numbed her so she
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Speaker 1: did not feel the pain of what he did to her.
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Speaker 1: Could you tell our listeners how this horrific crime on
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Speaker 1: your baby girl has affected your life. I can't do anything. Um.
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Speaker 1: I don't leave my house much anymore. I mean I
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Speaker 1: live right here. We're all than like tomad of each other. Um,
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Speaker 1: you don't really leave home, you don't. If hart explain,
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Speaker 1: we'll leave. I know she's low over here, but there's
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Speaker 1: only one home off she's here, so I try to
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Speaker 1: stay home. Um, you don't want to go out in public,
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Speaker 1: you just because people have to say something and you
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Speaker 1: know how to answer, like, how are you today? How
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Speaker 1: do you think I am? I'm lost? Um, part of
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Speaker 1: my heart's gone. Um, it's just it's just it's like
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Speaker 1: part of me is dead. I can't really explain to you.
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Speaker 1: You just no longer want to function. I can't be honest.
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Speaker 1: I can't, Miss Chambers. What is your most vivid memory
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Speaker 1: of Jessica? Just astantly here all the time, get her lot,
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Speaker 1: the phone, um, the cheering, her being a flyer, just
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Speaker 1: everything about it. I can remember everything, down to the
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Speaker 1: safely she made as a child, to the pictures she
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Speaker 1: would take sticking her tongue out. I can't remember everything
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Speaker 1: about her. It's if not one memory that I don't have,
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Speaker 1: remember it all, Miss Chambers. Right now, what is your
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Speaker 1: message to Quentin? Tell us he will he won't get
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Speaker 1: away with it. I don't care. What's the jury decide
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Speaker 1: you won't get away with it. God has the final
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Speaker 1: say you can't. You can hide and you can lie
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Speaker 1: all people you want to ship? Why he already knows.
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Speaker 1: Miss Chambers, Please know that we are thinking of you
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Speaker 1: and praying for you, and if I could take this
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Speaker 1: journey with you, I would, but I've learned the hard way.
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Speaker 1: It's a road you have to walk alone. And all
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Speaker 1: I can say is God bless you. And Quentin tell
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Speaker 1: us you are going to rot in hell. Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: Crime Story is signing off. Goodbye friend. M H.