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Campground serial killer? Plus–Farah Fawcett’s son in jail on suicide watch · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: the investigation continues into who shot and killed just In
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Speaker 1: Bodette during a camping trip with his two little girls
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Speaker 1: at Malibu Creek State Park in Calabasas. I'm just literally devastated. Um,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing you can describe but losing a family member
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Speaker 1: like that, particularly like this family man like this with
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Speaker 1: two small children. Authorities say Bodette's daughters were not injured
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Speaker 1: despite being in the tent when he was shot in
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Speaker 1: the chest before five in the morning. Back at their
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Speaker 1: Irvine house, a neighbor describes what he heard that same morning.
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Speaker 1: But I just kept hearing a woman screaming no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: and it was it was just it was startling to
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Speaker 1: hear something like that. A young father out camping with
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Speaker 1: his two little girls so mommy, a doctor could study
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Speaker 1: for exams. Shot dead in Malibu Park, a beach park.
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Speaker 1: But now police say that shooting, the deadly shooting of
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Speaker 1: Tristan Boudette in his tent maybe linked to seven other
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Speaker 1: shootings and approximately eight local burglaries. Is the case cracked
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Speaker 1: wide open? I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Straight out to Larry may Her,
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Larry explained to me
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Speaker 1: what happened when this young dad, Tristan Boudette is shot
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Speaker 1: dead out camping with his two little girls. I think
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Speaker 1: maybe getting a sense of the place may help understand
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Speaker 1: what happened. Uh. Malibu Creek State Park is twelve acres
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Speaker 1: of very rugged mountain terrain in the Santa Monica Mountains
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Speaker 1: west of Los Angeles. If you've ever seen the TV
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Speaker 1: show Mash and seen the helicopters coming in for a landing,
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Speaker 1: that's where that was shot. You've seen Malibu Creek State Park.
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Speaker 1: It's very very rugged terrain. And this man, thirty five
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Speaker 1: year old Tristan Boudette, and his two children, daughters ages
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Speaker 1: two and four, were sleeping in a tent on the
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Speaker 1: side of the mountain when a bullet entered the tent
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Speaker 1: and killed him. Neither of the children was hurt. That
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Speaker 1: was on an early summer morning, and the park was
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Speaker 1: closed after that. It has not been opened since. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours, we learned that the fatal shooting of
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Speaker 1: Tristan Boudette there with his two little children maybe linked
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Speaker 1: to other crimes in the area. To Karen Smith, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: how do you believe police can link up eight shooting incidents?
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Speaker 1: Another guy in the same area shot as he's laying
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Speaker 1: in a hammock. I mean it goes on and on
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Speaker 1: and on. How can all of this be connected? All
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Speaker 1: of this is going to come down to ballistics evidence, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: and that means that they're going to have to have
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Speaker 1: a weapon to compare these recovered projectiles, cartridges, case things too,
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Speaker 1: And at this point I don't know that they have that.
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Speaker 1: But once they can do some comparison microscopic review of
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Speaker 1: these recovered pieces of evidence, they'll be able to do
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Speaker 1: some linkages that direction. Take a listen to l A
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Speaker 1: County share of Jim McDonald. Here. Support confirmed the individual's
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Speaker 1: location and it was learned that he was armed with
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Speaker 1: a rifle. Investigators contain subdect in the heavy brush area
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Speaker 1: and ordered him to drop the rifle and surrender. After
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Speaker 1: a few tense moments of communicating with the suspect, he
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Speaker 1: opted to surrender and was taken into custody without incident.
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Speaker 1: About three twenty this afternoon, the right was recovered and
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Speaker 1: the suspect was transported to lastil Shar station where he
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Speaker 1: is being booked on it for an active no bail
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Speaker 1: felony parole violation warrant, and UH detectives arrested forty two
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Speaker 1: year old male suspect, Anthony rowda. The suspect does have
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Speaker 1: a criminal history with various weapons violations and burglaries. We
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Speaker 1: are learning right now that in the last hours and
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Speaker 1: arrest has been made of a man that police find
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Speaker 1: share us find after they spot fresh bootprints going up
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Speaker 1: a steep ravine going up the side of it. They
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Speaker 1: follow it and then they see a man dressed all
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Speaker 1: in black with a rifle slung over his shoulder and
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Speaker 1: they arrest him straight out. To Larry Mayher Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter explained to me how the arrest
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Speaker 1: went down. We still don't know if he is linked
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Speaker 1: at all. That's correct. He is a suspect still under
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Speaker 1: investigation in those burglaries. But one of the more recent burglaries,
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Speaker 1: there was some surveillance video where they spotted a band
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Speaker 1: dressed in black brrying a rifle and that prompted the
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Speaker 1: search and it was a massive search of this rugged
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Speaker 1: terrain inside the state park at Malabou Creek State Park
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Speaker 1: and the ultimate uh detention and arrest of forty two
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Speaker 1: year old Anthony routed well. Right now, police are very
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Speaker 1: carefully saying we don't know if this guy is connected
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Speaker 1: to the murder or the seven other shooting incidents. Listen,
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Speaker 1: We're not going to say that yes is or that no,
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Speaker 1: he's not. We don't have that information yet. There'll be
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Speaker 1: a lot of work done. We've got a weapon in custody,
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Speaker 1: Ballistics tests will be performed on that, among many other
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Speaker 1: uh scientific tests. Back in June, Tristan Boudette was shot
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Speaker 1: and killed while camping with his two girls, and as
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Speaker 1: recently as last Tuesday, a burglar broke into the Agora
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Speaker 1: Calabasa's Community Center to steel food. People who larious say
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Speaker 1: they are relieved. It's been upsetting and disturbing and unsettling
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Speaker 1: um and there seemed to be you know, it as
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Speaker 1: hard to decipher whether they as a connection, and you
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Speaker 1: know the unsolved murder and then bodies that have been
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Speaker 1: found and then break ins, and it was just as
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Speaker 1: serting on things that seemed to be escalating. That is
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Speaker 1: Ronica Miracle at k ABC TV News out in l
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Speaker 1: A reporting detectives insisting they are not sure they can
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Speaker 1: leave this guy to all the shootings and all the burglaries.
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Speaker 1: But another thing I find interesting about this Karen Stark
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us from New York. Karen in most of
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Speaker 1: the burglaries. The purpose is not going for the jewelry
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Speaker 1: or the electronics equipment or the TV or money, is
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Speaker 1: going for food. What does that tell you, Karen? I mean,
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Speaker 1: you go to all the shovel to break in somewhere
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Speaker 1: and you walk right by valuable items and break into
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Speaker 1: a vending machine. But it sounds like he's starving, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that this is somebody who's homeless and or has a
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Speaker 1: home but no money and it's desperate to have something
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Speaker 1: to eat. It's either that or he's really insane and
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Speaker 1: well he can think about is food at the moment um?
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Speaker 1: What about this, Karen Stark? What about not someone that's homeless,
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Speaker 1: but someone that is living in the wild, living off
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Speaker 1: the land. Sounds just it's very similar that it's somebody
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Speaker 1: to start so he can't get the food that he
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Speaker 1: wants living with the lands. He's breaking into vending machines.
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Speaker 1: He's desperate to eat. Well, does this remind anyone of
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Speaker 1: the story of Eric Rudolph, also known as the Olympic
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Speaker 1: Park bomber. I was there that night on the block
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Speaker 1: when the bomb went off at the Olympics in Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: Eric Rudolph bombed, set off several bombs and he went
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Speaker 1: to quote live in the wild. Uh. He also bombed
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Speaker 1: an abortion clinic and my investigator that I later write
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Speaker 1: about in books. Then as part of Hallmark movies, my
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Speaker 1: investigator Earnest was on the scene of the abortion clinic
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Speaker 1: bomb mean and Rudolph had set off a second bomb
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Speaker 1: to go off to hit police. That's right, he sure did,
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Speaker 1: and he eluded police for years. In the Carolina Mountains,
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy with me North Carolina family lawyer Eric Rudolph
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Speaker 1: Remember him, I do remember him. And you know, we
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Speaker 1: go camping all the time. And to think that this
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Speaker 1: guy in California was there with his two little children.
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Speaker 1: We were afraid to go camping, and there were prior
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Speaker 1: shootings in Caliber. I wonder if the public even knew
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Speaker 1: about these prior shootings before he went out there with
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Speaker 1: his two little girls. Okay, everybody can laugh at me,
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Speaker 1: but John David and Lucy go ahead, Okay, that was funny. Uh.
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Speaker 1: John David and Lucy both a couple of separate weeks apart.
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Speaker 1: We're supposed to go on boy scouting a girl scout
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Speaker 1: camping trip. I absolutely put the kai bosh on that
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Speaker 1: I know it sounds over protective. I know that, but
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Speaker 1: knowing what I know, I mean, Okay, listen to this
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Speaker 1: laugh volume want but listen. The investigation continues into who
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Speaker 1: shot and killed just In Boudette during a camping trip
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Speaker 1: with his two little girls at Malibu Creek State Park
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Speaker 1: in Calabasas. At Allergan and Irvine, where the thirty five
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Speaker 1: year old scientist helped with research and development, the company
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Speaker 1: says it is rare that we lose a friend and colleague,
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Speaker 1: especially in an event that was senseless and difficult to understand.
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Speaker 1: Tristan will be remembered as a talented scientist who was
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Speaker 1: admired by all who knew him. I'm just literally devastated. Um,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing you can describe that losing a family member
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Speaker 1: like that, particularly like this family man like this with
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Speaker 1: two small children at Malibu Creek State Park, deep in
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Speaker 1: a ravine surrounded by thick brush. Investigators say they finally
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Speaker 1: captured a criminal term survivalist armed with a rifle. Forty
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Speaker 1: two year old Anthony Rowda is now in custody for
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Speaker 1: violating his parole, but authorities say he's likely connected to
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Speaker 1: countless other crimes. It's why they aren't showing his face
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Speaker 1: to protect future investigations. They say he could be responsible
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Speaker 1: for a rash of recent burglaries, shots fired in the area,
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Speaker 1: and even an unsolved murder. Has a case been cracked.
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Speaker 1: A young father, Tristan boudatt out camping with his two
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Speaker 1: little girls. I think they were ages two and four
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Speaker 1: or four and six. He's out camping with them so
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Speaker 1: mommy can study for exams. She's studying to be a doctor.
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Speaker 1: When out of the blue, a sniper shoots him dead
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Speaker 1: in the tent with his two little girls. And that's
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Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. At least seven other shootings
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Speaker 1: and multiple burglaries in the area. Are they all connected
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Speaker 1: to one person? Now, this whole idea of being a
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Speaker 1: quote survivalist. When I hear the word survivalist, that can
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Speaker 1: sent a chill down your spine. I always think. As
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Speaker 1: we were discussing of Eric Rudolph, the Olympic bomber. Now
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Speaker 1: you remember Eric Rudolph was finally arrested after eluding police
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Speaker 1: for about five years. He bombed the Olympics. I remember
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Speaker 1: being up till six o'clock that morning trying to get
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Speaker 1: witness statements at the Olympics. He bombed abortion clicks a
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Speaker 1: double bombing. Um, Alan Duke, you stayed on the case.
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Speaker 1: You were reporting on the Eric Rudolph case. He was
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Speaker 1: a quote survivalist, right, Alan, do you absolutely in fact
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Speaker 1: that double bombing, that second bomb. I was standing about
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Speaker 1: ten yards away from it. I actually suffered hearing loss
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Speaker 1: as a result of that, and have a federal victim number.
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Speaker 1: I covered it really closely, And yes, I was up
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Speaker 1: there when he was breaking into cabins in the western
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Speaker 1: North Carolina mountains, and uh, it was pretty a pretty
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Speaker 1: scary time. He actually took pot shots at the federal
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Speaker 1: agents who were camping their searching for him. Alan do
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you've somehow made this story about
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Speaker 1: your hearing loss, but it is explaining a lot right now.
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Speaker 1: Neither one of us canna hear a darn thing. The
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Speaker 1: only one that can hear is Jackie. But listen to this,
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Speaker 1: isn't it right? Larry may Her Crime Online investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: Larry he was finally arrest after five years of eluding
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Speaker 1: the cops living off the land in the North Carolina Mountains.
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Speaker 1: He was arrested in Murphy, North Carolina by a rookie cop.
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Speaker 1: I remember the CoP's name, Jeff Postel of Murphy p D.
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Speaker 1: And Postel saw Rudolph digging through a dumpster behind us
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Speaker 1: save a lot at about four o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 1: and he thought it was a burglary. Post Ill thought
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Speaker 1: it was a burglary and lo and behold when he
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Speaker 1: managed to subdue Eric Rudolph, it was a murderer. You remember,
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Speaker 1: innocent people were killed at the Olympics because this nut
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Speaker 1: job set off bombs, multiple bombs at the Olympics. Now
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Speaker 1: that's Eric Rudolph. Now let's fast forward to right now
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Speaker 1: and this guy they've just gotten subdued, Anthony Rowda, a
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Speaker 1: forty two year old quote survivalist. But I want you
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Speaker 1: to hear what members of his family say. This family
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Speaker 1: member says deputies had Routa in custody about four months
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Speaker 1: ago for trespassing, but he was released before anyone could
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Speaker 1: go see him. The sheriff says that Routa is linked
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Speaker 1: to six break ins in the last three months, mostly
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Speaker 1: outbuildings that were not occupied. His family says they did
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Speaker 1: not know that Rouda had weapons charges on his record.
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Speaker 1: Most of his offense is petty, that he steered clear
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Speaker 1: of conflict. He's always been accused of things. That's what
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Speaker 1: he claims about that, He's always been accusive things. So
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Speaker 1: and that's school sees out in all along tonight, his
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Speaker 1: family says Routa needs help. What would you tell him?
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Speaker 1: I would tell him now to tell the truth if
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Speaker 1: something happened, and and I hope he didn't do it,
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Speaker 1: and he asked my help. You're hearing our fam Miriam
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Speaker 1: Hernandez at k ABC TV News there in l A
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Speaker 1: and an unidentified family member that doesn't want his name broadcast.
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Speaker 1: Do you blame him? Guys? Anthony Rowta, is he connected
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Speaker 1: to eight shooting incidents, one of those being a murderer
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Speaker 1: and multiple break INDs? What is that to care and
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Speaker 1: start the desire to go live off the land, to
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Speaker 1: be totally away from other humans, to be a quote survivalist.
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Speaker 1: And then you've got the twist of, for instance, shooting
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Speaker 1: at federal agents and taking pot shots into a tent
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Speaker 1: and killing a father of two. But you know, if
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Speaker 1: you listen to what his family members said about the
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Speaker 1: fact that he says he's always being accused of something,
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Speaker 1: he sounds paranoid to me. Nancy which means that if
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Speaker 1: everyone's out to get him, he's going to disappear into
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Speaker 1: the wilderness to protect himself and and actually think all
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Speaker 1: the time that people were trying to hunt him down.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Anthony Rowda, suspected in a
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Speaker 1: string of burglaries, arrested at his secluded Malibu Hills campsite
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Speaker 1: for caring a rifle in violation of his parole. A
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Speaker 1: close family member tells us today Rowda had lived in
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Speaker 1: the Hills for ten years. He was afraid of people.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't talk to people a lot. He's alone er.
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Speaker 1: He just likes to be alone, and especially afraid of
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Speaker 1: being in custody. When he was arrested in the jail,
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Speaker 1: when I went to visit him, he said he he
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Speaker 1: was all Bruce stuck. He said he got jumped. I
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Speaker 1: guess he dick it chopped. He's alluding police, and he's
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Speaker 1: got a rifle slung over his shoulder, and you've got
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Speaker 1: eight shootings and multiple burglaries. Karen Smith with me, renowned
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Speaker 1: forensics expert, joining us out of the floor to jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear those beautiful words secluded campsite? What does
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Speaker 1: that mean? To somebody like you and may Karen. There
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Speaker 1: are a few things that I need to discuss here.
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Speaker 1: The secluded camp site means yes, he was living off
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Speaker 1: the land. The fact that he's burglar rising these places
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Speaker 1: and only taking food, he's not using a fence, he's
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Speaker 1: not taking extensive items. That means he's using it for himself.
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Speaker 1: Now let's go back to Tristan Boudet for a second.
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Speaker 1: In his murder. This is back in June. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: the police did some kind of uh trajectory reconstruction from
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Speaker 1: that scene. You had Tristan bowed its body, you had
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Speaker 1: a hole through the tent, and if you use the laser,
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Speaker 1: you can basically find a general area that would have
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Speaker 1: been used for a sniper's nest, some kind of clearing
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Speaker 1: on a plateau with a line of sight to the target.
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Speaker 1: Once you get there, are their food wrappers? Are their
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Speaker 1: cans and cigarette butt from these burglaries that he's been
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Speaker 1: leaving behind. If he's waiting for his targets, he's gone
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Speaker 1: to eat, he's gonna drink. Perhaps DNA and fingerprints from
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Speaker 1: those pieces of evidence can come back to this guy.
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Speaker 1: Now that we have a rifle, we can do some
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Speaker 1: functionality tests and also do some test firings of that rifle,
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Speaker 1: use those projectiles from that rifle and the ammunition, and
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Speaker 1: compare it to Tristan Baudet's murder and these other eight cases,
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Speaker 1: and see if the police can finally link him to
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Speaker 1: these crimes and get him off the streets. Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: forensic sexpert. It sounds like you're singing in a symphony
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Speaker 1: an opera to me right now explaining how these cases
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Speaker 1: can be linked together. But when I heard the words
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Speaker 1: um secluded camp site, what that says to me is evidence, evidence, evidence, fingerprints,
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Speaker 1: gunsll CA sings. Uh, maybe i'ms belonging to some of
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Speaker 1: the victims or from the burglary locations. That's what I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about. Listen. Deputies found no tactical gear and the
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Speaker 1: items they seized. Ballistics tests are underway to determine whether
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Speaker 1: Roun his rifle is tied to a fatal shooting at
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Speaker 1: Malibu Creek Park, a bullet fired from afar hitting Tristan
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Speaker 1: Boudette inside his tent on June twenty two as he
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Speaker 1: camped with his two young daughters. I don't think Anthony
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Speaker 1: will do that. I don't know him as a violent person.
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Speaker 1: I know that the only weapon that he would carry
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Speaker 1: was a knife, which he uses to camp out. Right now,
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Speaker 1: ballistics tests underway to determine if all the shootings, possibly
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Speaker 1: all the burglaries are connected. We wait as justice unfolds,
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Speaker 1: and the family of Tristan Boudette waits along with us.
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Speaker 1: it's he Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Straight out to Alexis Arrest Chuck Radar
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Speaker 1: Online investigative reporter Alexis Why is fair face son back
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Speaker 1: in jail? Why was he in court? And do you
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Speaker 1: believe that all of his crimes are because of his addiction.
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Speaker 1: Redmond O'Neill, who is thirty three years old, now he
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Speaker 1: was back in court. He was arrested this spring because
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Speaker 1: he allegedly went on a three day crimes three. At first,
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Speaker 1: he was arrested for robbing a seven eleven. Police arrested him.
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Speaker 1: He had apparently tried to rob a seven eleven, try
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Speaker 1: to steal money from the from the cashier. Then realized
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Speaker 1: that there had been a string of assaults in the
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Speaker 1: same area in Venice, California over the last maybe seventy
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Speaker 1: two hours preceding the arrest at the seven eleven, and
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Speaker 1: they connected it to him. So what it is is
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Speaker 1: multiple people have come forward and said that Redmond attacked them.
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Speaker 1: They said that he was holding a beer bottle, he
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Speaker 1: punched them, he hit them, he beat them up. And
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Speaker 1: so he's now been charged with attempted murder. So he
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Speaker 1: is behind bars for that crime. Spur Okay White a minute,
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Speaker 1: White a minute, White a minute. At first I was
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Speaker 1: about to break in and say if he were not
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Speaker 1: the son of fair Flaws at Ryan O'Neill, he'd be
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Speaker 1: doing twenty to life. But now I'm hearing attempted murder
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Speaker 1: because he beat somebody up and he had a beer bottle.
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Speaker 1: That's not attempted murder even to me. Okay, So where
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Speaker 1: are we getting attempted murder? Did he did he have
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Speaker 1: the beer bottle broken? Where he's threatened to cut people?
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Speaker 1: Did he have a gun? Where? Where are we getting
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Speaker 1: an attempted murder charge? So he knocked this complete stranger
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Speaker 1: to the ground. The man has said. Man's actually filed
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Speaker 1: a civil lawsuit against him, but he has said that
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Speaker 1: he was just walking by Redmond. Redmond looked at him,
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Speaker 1: started attacking him, and then he beat him. He literally
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Speaker 1: he was knocked to the ground. He started kicking him.
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Speaker 1: He was smashing his head into the ground and using
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Speaker 1: a broken beer bottle to cut him. That he cut
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Speaker 1: his head and then he smashed his face into the ground.
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Speaker 1: The man said, I literally thought everyone was going to die.
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Speaker 1: In the court documents, when you're saying a broken beer bottle,
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Speaker 1: that's a whole another thing. When you said he was
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Speaker 1: holding a beer bottle, I mean for all, and I
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Speaker 1: was taking a swig out of it. But when you
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Speaker 1: have a broken beer bottle and you're holding it by
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Speaker 1: the neck and threatening somebody with it and cutting someone
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Speaker 1: with it, that I could see being construed as attempted murder.
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Speaker 1: With me an all Star panel analyzing what has just happened,
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Speaker 1: we are now learning that Ryan O'Neill and Farah Fawcett
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Speaker 1: son Redmond O'Neill quote suicidal in jail, says his attorney
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Speaker 1: in court. He remains in jail on attempted murder, robbery,
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Speaker 1: and drug charges and allegedly his state is deteriorating into suicidal.
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Speaker 1: But listen to this rare interview obtained by Alan ge
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Speaker 1: a Lot. I don't know how well I'm doing. Redmond
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Speaker 1: is doing extremely well. He is recovering from terrible a disease.
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Speaker 1: He seems to have cured himself. Were thrilled about that,
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Speaker 1: and that's why he's here, because because stay let in
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Speaker 1: my face and let everybody know that I'm doing good.
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Speaker 1: You know it's right, And how handsome he is, and
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Speaker 1: how much he looks like fair and how proud she
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Speaker 1: would be, and how lucky I am that I could
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Speaker 1: at least be here. You're hearing, Uh, Alan, who's with us?
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Speaker 1: Right now, Alan's sooner be with Ryan Tatum and Redmond O'Neill,
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Speaker 1: and a special guest joining me right now, my longtime friend,
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Speaker 1: drug addiction specialist, Brad Lamb. Brad. When I hear him talking, Redmond, um,
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Speaker 1: not Ryan so much, because from from what we've learned,
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Speaker 1: the children grew up in a very let me just say,
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Speaker 1: volatile home. That that's not good for anybody. But when
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Speaker 1: I hear Redmond the sun speaking, so full of hope,
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Speaker 1: so full of promise, and now he's suicidal in jail
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Speaker 1: after all of these antics. Their crimes are not antics.
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Speaker 1: That's painting it with the wrong brush, their crimes. Brad,
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Speaker 1: what happened? Oh god, it's that's the tragedy of relapse
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Speaker 1: and recovery. You know. I I followed his case for
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Speaker 1: a long time, and certainly that I'm fifty two. So
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Speaker 1: I grew up with Katum O'Neil, as you know, the
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Speaker 1: beautiful child actress from Paper Moon who worked with their
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Speaker 1: father and you know, very well loved family and uh
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Speaker 1: they've just been agonized, agonizing with addiction for decades, you know.
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Speaker 1: So what happened? He relapsed, you know, and that the
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Speaker 1: line between recovering and relapses very fine for for many people.
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Speaker 1: I stopped placing bets on people a long time ago,
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Speaker 1: because sometimes the ones you think that are really gonna
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Speaker 1: take it on the road and and make it, make
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Speaker 1: it work for years. Uh you know, instead it's a
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Speaker 1: series of, you know, better situations than it was. So
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Speaker 1: I feel bad for him, Uh certainly for the family.
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Speaker 1: I do too, Brad, because you know, of course I
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Speaker 1: feel worse for an innocent victim who's attacked and beaten
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Speaker 1: with their face pounded into the cement and cut with
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Speaker 1: a beer bottle. But I also I feel horrible for
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Speaker 1: him because thereby the grace of God goes goes me
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Speaker 1: or my children one day. I mean, I remember him
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Speaker 1: growing up, Brad, just like you and so cute guys
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Speaker 1: with me. Is Brad Lamb, the founder of Breathe Life
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Speaker 1: Healing Centers. He is an intervention an educator, the author
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Speaker 1: of How to Help the One You Love, A New
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Speaker 1: Way to Intervene. Brad, I I really believe that with Redmond,
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Speaker 1: they've tried at all. What now what can they possibly
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, hold on, Brad, listen to
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Speaker 1: Richard Pentel, his lawyer. Can you tell us what Redman
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Speaker 1: told Judge Chinan and the court in the hearing this morning. Well,
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Speaker 1: it was very moving. I mean, Judge Tynan is a
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Speaker 1: very very hands on judge and a very hands on individual.
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Speaker 1: He's very caring judge, you have to be to run
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Speaker 1: this drug court. And he basically asked Redmond what was
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Speaker 1: going on before in his first sixty days and what's
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Speaker 1: going on now and what's the difference. And uh, Redmond,
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Speaker 1: being very very honest, had said that he had since
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Speaker 1: he was fourteen years old. He's been in treatment numerous times,
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Speaker 1: but he's never applied himself. He was going through the
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Speaker 1: motions each of those times, and this time he said, uh,
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Speaker 1: he's very sincere, he's very genuine. He wants it, he
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Speaker 1: wants this program. He wants to say stay clean. So
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Speaker 1: what he was going through was actually, in my view,
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Speaker 1: and I think, as Redmond expressed it, growing pains learning
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Speaker 1: what is expected of him in treatment because he's never
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Speaker 1: really given it his heart and his soul before learning
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Speaker 1: what's expected of him doing it, and then on top
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Speaker 1: of that, complying with what Judge Tynan wanted, which is
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Speaker 1: going above and beyond the call of duty in treatment.
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Speaker 1: And that was the process that I think Judge Tynan
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Speaker 1: is now aware of that. Redmond before had really just
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Speaker 1: been skating through. I think he might have even said
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Speaker 1: skating through or going through the motions. Now he's no
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Speaker 1: longer doing that. Redmond before had really just been skating through.
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Speaker 1: I think he might have even said skating through or
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Speaker 1: going through the motions. Now he's no longer doing that.
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Speaker 1: I found that very genuine and very moving. I think
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Speaker 1: the judge was touched by that also. Judge Tinan asked
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Speaker 1: him why what what changed in Redmond? Why the turnaround?
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Speaker 1: Can you tell us what Redman said about that? Well?
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Speaker 1: In court he wanted he was very I want to
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Speaker 1: stay clean. I want to stay clean, joining me Brad Lamb, interventionist,
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Speaker 1: the founder of Breathe Life clinics all across the country
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Speaker 1: and author Brad I want to stay clean. That that
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Speaker 1: just breaks my heart to even hear it. Well, it's
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Speaker 1: a great cry of anybody's handing before a judge. I mean, honestly,
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Speaker 1: I'm incredibly compassionate, and you know, just from a public
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Speaker 1: safety standpoint, he is a broken bottle. He's not not
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Speaker 1: his first time in court, of course, he's you know,
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Speaker 1: in front of the judge, everybody cries and wants compassion,
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Speaker 1: but it would be he's in a tough spot. I
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Speaker 1: think he's probably going to, you know, have a rough
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Speaker 1: go of it now that he's back in jail. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I I appreciate drug court and I support people being
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Speaker 1: mandated into treatment rather than cooling their deals in jail.
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Speaker 1: But you know, I think it has to be a
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Speaker 1: community standard too when the public safety is at aches.
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Speaker 1: And I think that the things that are interesting this
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Speaker 1: year to are you know, the family not showing up
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Speaker 1: in court. I think families go through it too, and
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Speaker 1: uh go through the stages of grief and loss and
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Speaker 1: and then the thing I think that when a family
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Speaker 1: falls into apathy, that's the that's the hardest probably stage
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Speaker 1: to get back from because you know, when when hope
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Speaker 1: is lost again. Let me go to Alexis Russ Chuck
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Speaker 1: Brad Lamb brings up to important questions. One prosecutors are
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Speaker 1: alleging he did stab somebody that could have been fatal
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Speaker 1: with a broken beer bottle. And is it true, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: you were there in court? Did his family not appear?
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Speaker 1: They did not? His lawyer has said repeatedly over the
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Speaker 1: last few months in court that Ryan O'Neil is very sick.
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Speaker 1: We have not seen Ryan. No one has seen him.
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Speaker 1: They will not elaborate on what is wrong with Ryan.
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Speaker 1: But there was one person there. There was his lawyer,
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Speaker 1: and there was a woman there and her name is
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Speaker 1: Mela Murphy and she was Farah's hairdresser and longtime friend.
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Speaker 1: She was by far aside when she died. She has
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Speaker 1: now written a letter to the judge on behalf of Redmond,
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Speaker 1: as has his father. But no one else was in court. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know what I hear what Brad Lamb is saying,
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Speaker 1: drug addiction specialist, but you know, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina
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Speaker 1: family lawyer for the parent not to be in court.
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Speaker 1: I don't like that at all. And I hear what
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Speaker 1: Brad is saying that the family is numb at this point.
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Speaker 1: But his mom has passed away Fara Fauce that has
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Speaker 1: passed away after battle with cancer, but his dad is
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Speaker 1: still alive and could have been in court. I don't
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Speaker 1: get it. I read an article that Redmond says, it's
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Speaker 1: not the drugs, it's the impact of the abuse and
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Speaker 1: the psychological trauma of being raised in the environment that
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Speaker 1: I was raised in. Clearly he was a circle put
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Speaker 1: into a square and that on top of his drug
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Speaker 1: addictions have created such a sad story. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: amazing to me. Back to Brad Lamb, drug addictions specialist. Brad,
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Speaker 1: you know, if you look at them on the outside,
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Speaker 1: if you look at Ryan O'Neill, handsome to fair fauce,
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Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous, to two beautiful children, and they have it all.
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Speaker 1: They have looks, talent, money, the works, They've got it all.
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Speaker 1: How in the world did that family descend into allegations,
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Speaker 1: allegations that Ryan O'Neil would just punch Redmond in the
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Speaker 1: face as a child. You know that the odds of
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Speaker 1: nonsense and chaos and chrisis happening in the home of
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Speaker 1: a person who's in active addiction, you know, he goes
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Speaker 1: up seventy times the possibility that a child will grow
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Speaker 1: uth addicted if if the parents are addicted to and
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Speaker 1: so I think you look at the system and it's
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Speaker 1: not I think it's not fair to blame it on
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Speaker 1: the Hollywood lifestyle. I think often theos and crisis of
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Speaker 1: growing up in an addicted home, but half of Americans
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Speaker 1: can relate to that. You know, Nancy that I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: the guy that is a consummate sub border of drug
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Speaker 1: court and for diversion into treatment rather than jail. But
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Speaker 1: if I were that judge, I would I would not
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Speaker 1: put him back into another program. I would let him
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Speaker 1: cool as feels in jail for a while. I agree, Brad,
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Speaker 1: And that was a tough issue I had as a
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Speaker 1: prosecutor because there were not enough treatment programs. I couldn't
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Speaker 1: get people that needed treatment into treatment. They were all full.
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Speaker 1: You could sit in jail for eighteen months waiting to
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Speaker 1: get into a six week program and there's no answers.
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Speaker 1: But I do recall this very clearly an interview with
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Speaker 1: Griffin O'Neill, the son of Ryan O'Neill, who painted a
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Speaker 1: very scary picture to Karen Start, New York psychologist, claiming
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Speaker 1: to my friend Larry King that his father, Ryan O'Neill,
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Speaker 1: tried to shoot him. Griffin Redman's brother and habitually party
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Speaker 1: with Redmond and did drugs with and around his son Redmond,
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Speaker 1: and was responsible for Reman O'Neil's drug problems, and then
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Speaker 1: he topped it all off, which is really neither here
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Speaker 1: nor there that Ryan O'Neill did not recognize his own daughter,
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Speaker 1: Tatum O'Neill at Fairest funeral and actually kind of hit
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Speaker 1: on her, asked her to go away and get a
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Speaker 1: drink with him. Now you know what, Karen Stark with
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Speaker 1: your father doing drugs with you? If that's true, those
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Speaker 1: are allegations by Ryan O'Neill's son, Griffin. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: guy didn't have a chance. And I am agreeing with Brad.
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Speaker 1: You hold a broken beer bottle at somebody, you stabbed
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Speaker 1: them without you're going to jail, You're staying there. I
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Speaker 1: want him to have treatment, but I don't see that's possible.
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Speaker 1: Maybe when he gets out of jail he can have
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Speaker 1: treatment as a condition of his release. But who has
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Speaker 1: a chance when you grow up and your parents are
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Speaker 1: doing drugs with you. It's not just that. I think
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Speaker 1: it's two separate issues, Nancy. One is that he did
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Speaker 1: grow up in that sordid background. And if you look
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Speaker 1: at him and you see that his sister Cadence, they
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Speaker 1: have the same father, also had a drug problem. Griffin did,
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Speaker 1: so there is probably a long Ryan's family line a
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Speaker 1: propensity too has an addiction alcohol and substance abuse. But
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Speaker 1: then you take a look at the environment, you combine
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Speaker 1: those two things, and this is a horrendous environment. And
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Speaker 1: so you're correct. He never had a chance. However, his
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Speaker 1: sister was able to manage to live her life and
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Speaker 1: this poor kid, he could never get himself together. Wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, Alexis Terress shut uh writer
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Speaker 1: online dot com investigative reporter. Didn't Tatumonial get busted on cocaine?
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Speaker 1: Yes she did. She was arrested in New York City. Laura,
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Speaker 1: is he trying to buy cocaine? Crack cocaine? So what now,
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Speaker 1: Alexis Terres shut you were in corn what's going to
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Speaker 1: happen next? His lawyer begged the judge. What they're asking
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Speaker 1: for is a redman to get some mental health help.
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Speaker 1: She begged the judge because she said his state is
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Speaker 1: deteriorating so much that he is suicidal. And this really
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Speaker 1: seemed to shock the judge because the prosecutor said, we
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Speaker 1: have somebody that can come and meet with Redmond. They'll
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Speaker 1: meet him, they'll have a report by mid December and
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Speaker 1: we will know. And the judge said, no, that is
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Speaker 1: not acceptably, that this is unacceptable, This is too far away.
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Speaker 1: You need to find a doctor that can get to
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Speaker 1: Redmond immediately. And his lawyer said again, she said, I
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Speaker 1: don't think he's going to make it. They have eyes
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Speaker 1: on him in jail, but he is suicidal and I'm
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Speaker 1: very worried about him. So they are trying desperately to
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Speaker 1: get him mental health. But it's going to take a
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Speaker 1: little while mental health help. It's been transferred to a
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Speaker 1: mental health court. This was not even in the criminal court.
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Speaker 1: This is the judge trying to get him some help,
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Speaker 1: and they're going to try to find somebody who can
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Speaker 1: meet with him and then provide a report recommendation to
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Speaker 1: the court whether or not Redmond should even be in
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Speaker 1: jail or whether he should just be put directly into
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Speaker 1: a mental institution. Let me tell you something. I want
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Speaker 1: him to have addiction help. I want him to have counseling.
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Speaker 1: I want him to have emotional mental help. But you
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Speaker 1: rob a convenience store with a up and you attack
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Speaker 1: somebody on the street, beat their face into the cement,
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Speaker 1: slice them up with a broken beer bottle. You gotta
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Speaker 1: do jail time. End of story. Nancy Grace Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: signing off, Goodbye friend,