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The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 4) (5/30/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where he left off with the interview given by the
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  Securities Captain at MCC to the OIG inspectors question Okay,
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  it says he was placed back on suicide Watch for
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  approximately one week, So that happened on the twenty third,
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  and it brought him up about July thirtieth. Is that
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  correct answer? Correct question? Okay? Of twenty nineteen. Unlike his
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  first in previous placement on suicide Watch, Epstein now has
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  definitive suicidal tendencies reported in his own incarceration history. The
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  staff was tasked with determining whether Epstein was in fact
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  suicidal or using tactics of manipulation to avoid assignment of
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  a cellmate. After suicide Watch, Epstein was placed on psychological
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  observation and eventually returned to the shoe now again, and
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  just to go back this ten South thing that did
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  never were lieutenants bringing it to you, like, hey, he
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  should be on ten South? Answer, no question. You don't
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  recall any lieutenants saying that answer. That wouldn't be a
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  lieutenant's purview. A lieutenant most of the people. And then
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  I will tell you I didn't understand Sam's placement until
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  I became a deputy captain. All right, and I understand that,
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  you know these guys. You just can't put a guy
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  in as a SAM. That identifier. That's an identifier that
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  has come from Central Office, BOP Central Office. Question So
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  if a lieutenant, So if we're talking lieutenants and they're
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  saying he should have been intense South, but then they
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  don't know what they're talking about. Basically, answer no, because
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  that identifier, because I believe you know this. It's an
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  identifier that's put on an inmate, just like I will
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  give you an example, sentencing designation. Okay, that's their job.
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  They're going to do, say what security level inmates, what
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  type of prisons they go to, if they're a transgender,
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  you know, all of these different things. All that stuff
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  is going to come from the Central Office to say, Okay,
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  we looked at this particular inmate's history or a PSI
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  and we feel that this identifier needs to be placed
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  on this inmate. So is Sam's identification or moniker put
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  on an inmate? Executive staff can't put that on there.
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  That's going to come from Central Office. Question. Okay, so
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  although the lieutenants may have thought he gets cut off
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  by the guard, they may have Yeah, they may have
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  thought and said he had due too he has a
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  situation of him being a multi billionaire or whatever, or
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  due to his issues of his proclivity to sexual deviance
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  and all of these things, he wouldn't be a good
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  candidate to go to GP. But guess what that responsibility,
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  that identifier that moniker should have been put on Epstein
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  before he even came to the MCC question. Sure, do
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  you know if this is something obviously it sounds like
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  it would have been out of your hands. Would that
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  have been something that the warden would discuss with what
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  the regional director? Answer? That's right, though Wharton would have
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  had that discussion between SIA the regional staff. And also
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  it goes to the region the Central office staff over
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  correctional programming. Question Okay, and you were never involved with
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  any of that answer, I would never be in any
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  of those conversations. Question Okay, fair enough, So who would
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  be the two? I guess the warden would be the
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  right person to go back to and just say, hey,
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  did this ever come up in conversation? Answer right. Question, Okay.
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  It says that the direction of the warden redacted initiated
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  the process of compiling possible cell mates for Epstein, vetting them,
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  and submitting candidates to the warden for his review. Redacted
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  and his staff fully screened potential cell mates and reported
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  their determinations up to the warden. Efren Reyes was selected
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  and housed in a cell with Epstein, and it says
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  the assistant warden but I'm assuming they may and Associate Warden,
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  Warden and regional director were notified. Answer, Okay, this is
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  how that went down. Mister adacted sat with me, not
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  with the aw president, and we wanted to We started
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  talking about security protocols moving forward for Jeffrey Epstein. That's
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  with me and mister adacted. We had that discussion. Question okay,
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  answer because, like I said earlier in my statement, even
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  though the A and W would have been my next
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  in succession as far as my supervisor, however, I did
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  have conversations directly with the warden as far as for
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  security situations in the institution. So we sat there and
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  he wanted me to compile names and vet inmates that
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  would be possible good candidates as a cellmate for Epstein
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  moving forward. So I brought it compiled. I believe I
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  had ten names, and he and I went through those names.
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  We brought it down to three. Then those three names
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  mister adacted because I sat there when he called the
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  regional director on the phone and he and the regional
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  director vetted those three names. And then I sat there
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  and I was privy to that conversation. I sat there
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  and he gave them and he fact sent them the
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  whole makeup of all three of them, and the regional
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  director said, no, I want this guy answer. So the
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  regional director ultimately made the decision. Answer yes. Question, So
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  give me a little bit of background on Reyes. What
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  was he in for? Answer? I believe Reyes was Hispanic
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  old or mel I believe that particular inmate was in for.
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  I think he was in for a child some type
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  of child sexual stuff. I can't remember. Question some kind
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  of charge with charge dealing with you know those types
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  of charges sexual question, So a similar charge as Epstein,
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  I believe, I can't remember. Question Okay, was he when
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  he was being vetted? Was he close to like a
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  release date or anything like that? And anticipated release date? Question? No?
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  One knew that, because this is what you need to
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  understand about MCC, MCC and MDC are basically jails. They're
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  not prisons. It's a jail. So that means if a
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  guy goes to court, you know, you get locked up,
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  and then the next day you might go to court.
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  The judge might say, so I'm releasing you. We don't know.
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  The only time we'll know is when the inmate comes
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  back from court. Where is this guy he was released? Okay,
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  now do we got this guy still in our account?
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  So if they don't bring a transfer order, our account
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  is bad. So they're going to bring the transfer order
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  back with them from the court line. These guys got released.
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  So normally court line is over before four, so we
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  try to get these guys up. Do some inmates come
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  back after four? Yes, they do, but however we don't
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  know if an inmate goes out to court if they're
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  coming back. However, there is times when they put out
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  a roster and it's given to as far as all
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  correctional officers that work the units, and it will say
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  court line inmate reyis using him as an example. WAB.
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  That means that he has to come downstairs with all
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  his belongings. So if they say that that means he's
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  not coming back. That's either he's transferring to another BOP
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  facility or he's going to be released onto the street.
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  But I can guarantee you that that transfer or that
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  transfer that inmate reis was on that day. It didn't
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  say wab because it would have said wab. The first
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  thing that the OIC should have said, that's my orange
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  tag guy, because I made them do all the orange
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  tag guys and I made them put them on the board.
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  Epstein is that orange tag guy. He's supposed to have
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  a selly wab oh cap shoe. Lieutenant wasn't here, but
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  he would have called me directly. God, hey, so don't
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  have a SELLI question. Yeah, So how long did it
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  take to vet? You know, I know you said that
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  it started with ten and then you brought it down
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  to three and then the regional director ultimately decided the one.
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  But how long does the process take? Answer? I believe
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  it took. I'm thinking we did it for we did
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  a day. It took a day. I mean we actually
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  went and you know, I don't know either the warden
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  and I having a lengthy conversation because the warden wanted
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  to ensure Warden Redacted's philosophy when dealing with mister Epstein
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  was he's another inmate, and that he tried to get
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  across to the executive staff and what he tried to
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  get across to us as me as a captain to
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  when I disseminated down to the subordinate staff. This is
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  just another inmate who cares about what his charges are,
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  or since he's sensationalized in the media, nobody cares. We're
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  going to manage him appropriately because if you know anything
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  about jails and the BOP, especially Brooklyn and MCC, we
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  don't run those jails. The courts run the jails. So
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  and that's the truth. The court, the judges, whatever the
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  judge says goes so, and that's unfortunate. But that's neither
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  here nor there. So mister Redacted wanted the staff to say, no,
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  this is the inmate. Yeah, he has certain charges, but
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  we're going to make sure he gets everything that all
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  the inmates get when they come to MCC. The inmates
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  are going to get proper care, the inmates are going
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  to get showers, the inmates are going to be fed
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  whatever it may be. But However, after those situations with
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  Epstein where it showed that his behavior was manipulating, when
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  it shows that he was trying to get things for
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  unnecessary gain or he would do anything to get anything
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  that would benefit him, we had to take some different protocols.
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  We had to take it different. They had to take
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  a different approach, a different mindset with this guy or
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  the way it was managed, because we already had this
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  guy saying that he was going to be killed and
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  all this stuff or whatever. So we just wanted to
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  make sure a moving forward, we put protocols in place
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  that will protect us as an agency. Question. So, speaking
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  of protocols, was it discussed then when you were vetting
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  these Hey, we have inmates constantly moving out of here.
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  If Reyes is moved, one of these other two that
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  were down to the three would be moved in with them.
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  Was that discussed? Answer? No, he would just basically because
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  like I said again at MCC, you wouldn't know how
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  long the duration on the inmates day. You wouldn't know.
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  Question so you just have to start the vetting process
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  over again. Answer all over again. Whoever is available in
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  the unit, they may be single selled because as you
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  know our policy and protocols in the Bureau of Prisons
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  are dealing with restricted inmates and special housing units. They
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  cannot be seld alone. They must have a cell mate.
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  Question in the special housing unit, everyone must have a
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  cell mate. Answer yep. Question. Oh, I didn't know that,
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  So every single one needs to have a cellmate. Answer
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  except because it's one of the areas that we didn't discuss.
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  Outside of the ten South, there was a range that
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  was meant for It was like a step down from
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  ten South that only had one man sell occupancy, which
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  was g range. Question. Okay, was that part of the
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  Special Housing US unit? Answer? Yup. Question. So there's part
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  of the special housing unit that is the one man
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  occupancy another part that had two men. Answer that is correct.
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  Question okay. And Epstein was housed in the two man
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  occupancy answer yep. Question. Was it ever discussed to put
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  him in the one man occupancy? Answer no question, no answer,
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  Because all those cells were filled with inmates that were
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  vetted that needed that type of supervision. You had inmates
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  in there that if they was put with another inmate
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  inside of the special housing unit, they would die, they
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  would be assaulted. So we would have to make those considerations.
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  So the protocols have had a deal with inmates according
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  to their situation. I believe it was sound. But guess
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  what you can only you're like a coach. I can
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  make the game plan, but if the players are not
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  executing the game plan, whose fault is that? Is it
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  the coach or the player? Question and exactly, And that's
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  what we're doing here. We're Monday morning quarterbacking saying like,
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  all right, this is and that's what we're going back
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  through it. So the Wharton directed redacted on multiple occasions
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  that Epstein needed a cell mate at all times, and
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  Redacted verbally informed his lieutenants the same. Redacted repeatedly directed
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  his Shoe lieutenant Lieutenant redacted that Epstein needed a cell
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  mate at all times. Additionally, Redacted visited the Shoe on
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  multiple occasions and directed staff to be very alert and
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  attentive about Epstein's special accommodation. So when you say that
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  about the Shoe staff, did you also inform the Shoe
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  staff that Epstein needed to have a cell mate? Answer? Yes, question,
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  Oh they were all aware. Answer yes. All right, folks,
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  We're going to wrap up right here, and in the
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  next episode dealing with the topic. We're going to pick
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  up where we left off. All the information that goes
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