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The Car Middleman with David Gborie · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: Goddess. What's poppin' congregation?
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  Speaker 2: It's your girl Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess, back with
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  Speaker 2: another installment of the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and
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  Speaker 2: those who practice it. It's a comedy show. Sometimes we
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  Speaker 2: love them, sometimes we hate them. We'll likely laugh at them,
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  Speaker 2: but never at the victims. And you all know, if
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  Speaker 2: you've been listening to the show, I'm very what? Yes, excited, thrilled,
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  Speaker 2: elated for our guest today. Today we have David Borey,
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  Speaker 2: who's the voice of Comedy Central, period.
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  Speaker 3: As long as it lasts.
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  Speaker 2: A stand-up comedian and the host of My Mama Told
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  Speaker 2: Me podcast with Langston Kerman.
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  Speaker 1: There's something that's not on here. What's that? Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: It freaked me out so much, David. What is that
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  Speaker 1: cartoon that you voiced?
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  Speaker 3: Was I a lawyer or a baby? Those are the
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  Speaker 3: only characters I play on television.
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  Speaker 1: Actor responses.
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  Speaker 3: Was I a lawyer or a baby?
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  Speaker 1: You were a lawyer.
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  Speaker 3: Royal crackers.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, royal crackers. I love that. And then it freaked
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  Speaker 1: me out so much hearing your voice. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I know that voice.
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  Speaker 3: It's very specific. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: It's very funny.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, royal crackers.
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  Speaker 3: It's Negro. Black cracker.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so I have to ask you, David, what's your
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  Speaker 1: relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them?
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever been involved in any or seen some?
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  Speaker 2: It could literally be anything.
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  Speaker 3: I love scams since boyhood. I have been scammed. I
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  Speaker 3: haven't really ever got my own off. I just don't
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  Speaker 3: have the heart for it. But yeah, I've been scammed.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember any of the times that you were scammed?
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  Speaker 3: I got scammed on artwork not four years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Not four years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, three years ago probably.
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  Speaker 1: Not four years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Not four years ago. So less than four years ago.
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  Speaker 1: What was it? What happened?
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  Speaker 3: Man. It's so embarrassing.
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  Speaker 1: You ever drive- It's not embarrassing. We don't believe in
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  Speaker 1: shame on this show.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: We're sharing information, so it's not embarrassing.
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  Speaker 3: You said that, so I'm going to tell you what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. I don't like the way you said, you
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  Speaker 1: said that. I'm about to be wrong about it.
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  Speaker 3: You opened me up. Okay. You said this is a
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  Speaker 3: safe space. It is, it is. And I'm adhering to that.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 3: Back home, my boy was driving, and they had a
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  Speaker 3: side of the road that said, rugs, artwork, jewelry and
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  Speaker 3: then it had an address and a date right so
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  Speaker 3: we pulled up and it was one of those auctions
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  Speaker 3: you know i'm talking.
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  Speaker 1: About like what like a police auction or like no.
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  Speaker 3: No no no no this was private they so because
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  Speaker 3: we got scammed my boy did some research and they
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  Speaker 3: just kind of travel around to the less cool states
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  Speaker 3: and they have all this stuff and they're flipping it
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  Speaker 3: but what they're not telling you is that.
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  Speaker 1: What are the less cool states Name them.
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  Speaker 3: Colorado was one, for sure. I know them boys were
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  Speaker 3: in Kansas, obviously. I think the Dakotas probably got hit.
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  Speaker 3: Anywhere that's not on the coast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Dakotas and Kansas makes sense. Well, they had
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  Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz. Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: They got nothing going on.
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  Speaker 2: And also, I think that's because Hollywood could make up
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  Speaker 2: whatever they wanted Kansas to look like, because who's going
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  Speaker 2: to know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Who's been to Kansas?
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  Speaker 3: I have several times, but that's my own. battle to fight.
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  Speaker 3: So it was at an Embassy Suites ballroom.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And we pull up and we walk in and it's
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  Speaker 3: like there's a Ferrari out front. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So they're trying to tell you there's luxury happening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And me and my boy are like, there's money in
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  Speaker 3: the building. Okay. Okay. And we go in and it's
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  Speaker 3: just an auction place. for all these luxury items, the
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  Speaker 3: crowd of people did not seem like people who would
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  Speaker 3: traditionally get these.
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  Speaker 2: Items.
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  Speaker 3: Definitely some guys- What do you mean by that? There
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  Speaker 3: was definitely some guys who- They looked poor? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: As poor as I did, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And- Look, the crowd didn't look like the typical- They
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  Speaker 1: weren't giving Ferrari.
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  Speaker 3: No, they weren't giving Ferrari.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't giving auction.
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  Speaker 3: But they were all giving thankful to be in the
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  Speaker 3: Ferrari room, much like me and my friend.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And we were like, we've made it. What a lick
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  Speaker 3: we just hit. So they're auctioning off all this. They
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  Speaker 3: give you 40 minutes to come in and look at
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  Speaker 3: all the shit they got, right? So 40 minutes, you
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  Speaker 3: can come in, you look at stuff, and then you
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  Speaker 3: sit down and the auction starts. That's the only time
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  Speaker 3: you can look at it is the first 40 minutes, right?
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's wearing suits. They're all kind of dressed up. They
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  Speaker 3: have this very serious white man doing the auctioning. And
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  Speaker 3: the auctioneer is great, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, $ 5, 000. Not just that. Give me money.
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  Speaker 1: Give me money right now.
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  Speaker 3: This robbery is a scam. That for sure. That for sure.
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  Speaker 3: But he would call up some stuff, and then he
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  Speaker 3: would be like, come on, folks. We're going to New
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  Speaker 3: York next week, and this is going to get taken.
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  Speaker 3: I'm giving this to you for $ 500. Are you serious? Like,
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  Speaker 3: he was, like, negging the audience.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he was, like, bullying them.
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  Speaker 3: Bro, he was, like, he was basically— He was like,
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  Speaker 3: are y'all broke?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all broke right now. Y'all broke-ass bitches. Y'all can't afford $ 500.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to sell it in New York. You stupid-ass, poor-ass.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't going to have them talk about it at
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  Speaker 2: book club next week. You sure you don't want to
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  Speaker 2: buy this right now?
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what it was. He basically was like, you
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  Speaker 3: stupid Luddites. What you don't understand. So with the art,
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  Speaker 3: they were saying all these famous artists, right?
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  Speaker 1: So you're excited.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, this is a Keith Haring. This is a
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  Speaker 3: Salvador Dali. This is a Matisse. I bought a Matisse, right?
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  Speaker 1: You bought a Matisse?
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  Speaker 3: I bought a Matisse.
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  Speaker 1: In Kansas?
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  Speaker 3: No, this was in Colorado. Okay, in Colorado. Outside of Denver,
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  Speaker 3: Denver Tech Center.
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  Speaker 1: You bought a Matisse in Colorado.
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  Speaker 3: I bought a Matisse.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, have you ever been in an auction?
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  Speaker 2: Me? Yeah. No.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's so exciting. Like when you're in it and
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  Speaker 3: you're putting the paddle up. It's like the casino.
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  Speaker 1: You get a little flip in your stomach.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, I'm going to get rich. And then you're
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  Speaker 3: paying too much for the shit, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So I bought a Matisse. My friend bought three Keith
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  Speaker 3: Haring paintings. And we were like, maybe we could flip them.
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  Speaker 3: We could get the flip on it, right? So we
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  Speaker 3: bought them. We go to buy the shit. Thank God
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  Speaker 3: Chase says your card doesn't work. Chase was trying to
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  Speaker 3: protect me, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, they're not trying to protect you. They're using your
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  Speaker 2: money in other investment ventures.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you trying to have so much of your
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  Speaker 1: money right now? We have to tie it up right
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  Speaker 1: now in the housing market.
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  Speaker 3: We need this for the hedge fund. We're protecting you.
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  Speaker 1: And also venture capitalists, but also you. So why do
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  Speaker 1: you want that money?
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  Speaker 3: But also me. Have you ever tried to take.
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  Speaker 1: A large sum of money out of your bank?
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  Speaker 3: Like in cash?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I can't disclose for tax purposes.
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  Speaker 1: It's very difficult to do.
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  Speaker 3: How large are we talking about?
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  Speaker 1: I mean... What were you on?
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  Speaker 2: One time when I was flying to Ireland, I had
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  Speaker 2: a week to get there, and I had to pull
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  Speaker 2: 20 racks out, and that was very hard to do.
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  Speaker 3: I would not like to have more than $ 5, 000 in
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  Speaker 3: cash on me ever.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I was having fun. I'll post a picture.
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  Speaker 2: I took a picture with the money up next to
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  Speaker 2: my ear like a money phone.
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  Speaker 1: And my cousin was like cussing me out. He was like,
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  Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing? You're going to get
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  Speaker 1: us robbed. And I was like, this is hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: So you were just in Ireland with stacks on you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to flip them in the airport.
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  Speaker 2: And that was a little bit of a scam because
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  Speaker 2: they only let me flip 12. And I was like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: but I got eight more. Like, what's good? And he
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  Speaker 2: was like, no, we can't do it. So then I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, let me go to another. Like, I
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  Speaker 2: left the terminal and my driver was there.
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  Speaker 3: Because that's the most suspicious thing, by the way. Coming
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  Speaker 3: up to currency exchange in the airport.
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  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to fly with more than 10 and
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  Speaker 2: not declare it.
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  Speaker 1: And then you're like.
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  Speaker 3: Flip this 20 for me right now. No questions asked.
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  Speaker 3: I'm from America. Let me disappear into your country.
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  Speaker 1: You know I ain't up to no good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: And this was being refunded by the relocation, but at
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  Speaker 2: the time, it was just too short of a time
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  Speaker 2: to do it, so I had to do it.
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  Speaker 1: So then.
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  Speaker 2: I got eight left, right? I go down outside of
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  Speaker 2: the terminal. Eugene is there to pick me up and
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  Speaker 2: get my luggage and shit.
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  Speaker 3: But you got 12. Are they on euros?
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  Speaker 1: Are they just euros?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, euros.
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  Speaker 2: I flipped 12 USD into euros, which obviously is less
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  Speaker 2: than 12 USD because our money is weak. Oh, our
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  Speaker 2: money's weak. I remember living in London. That was the
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  Speaker 2: first time I understood. I was like, the pound was
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  Speaker 2: 1.6 to the dollar when I was living in London.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember giving them my cash in American. They
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  Speaker 2: gave me the money back. And I said, wait, I
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  Speaker 2: ain't give you rupees.
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  Speaker 3: London don't know how you feeling bad. London don't know
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  Speaker 3: how you feeling bad about money.
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  Speaker 2: What you mean?
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, your money's weak. You didn't know this?
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  Speaker 3: I'm also bad at conversion math. So I would, I was,
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  Speaker 3: I would be in London, like at a chippy, like
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  Speaker 3: this fish and chips is $ 60.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm so good at conversion math. I still
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  Speaker 2: remember when Greece tanked the Euro and I was like, woo.
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  Speaker 3: Bring it down to 1.3. Oh, that's fun.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, let me go on my self fridge.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know where we're hitting right now. I
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  Speaker 3: just went to Tokyo and it's hitting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we just bought fucking Japan's debt.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had a good time in Tokyo. I
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  Speaker 3: took my little brothers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. This is time to go to Japan, y'all.
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  Speaker 3: Go to Japan.
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  Speaker 1: This is the time to go to Japan, okay? Because
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: they were about to offload the American, what's it called?
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  Speaker 1: You know when people buy the dollar? They invest in U.S. Treasury.
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  Speaker 2: They have Treasury bonds. So them bonds were starting to
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  Speaker 2: fall to shit because of Trump's bitch ass and then
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  Speaker 2: we had to come in and clean it up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, run it up.
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  Speaker 1: So now's the time to go to Japan. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You can have a great time for a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not what we all deserve.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But back to what you were talking about. So you
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  Speaker 1: were in Colorado. You done bought some Matisses.
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  Speaker 3: Are these real Matisses? Okay. They are signed prints, which
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  Speaker 3: is not how they were being advertised.
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  Speaker 1: So they said he painted it. And then what he
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  Speaker 1: really did was just sign a print.
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  Speaker 3: Some prints of some other shit. So it's still worth money,
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  Speaker 3: but not the money I auctioned.
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  Speaker 1: Because he wasn't in there cooking it.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no. So it wasn't worth what I. But
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  Speaker 3: their whole hustle is they're like, hey, you give us
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  Speaker 3: $ 150 more, you can get it approved. Because also what
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  Speaker 3: happened is when I bought it. the day that I
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  Speaker 3: paid for it, everybody's in suits. Real, real upstanding citizens.
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  Speaker 3: When I came back to the hotel the next day
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  Speaker 3: to cop, my shit's in cardboard boxes. Everybody got on
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  Speaker 3: Jordan sweatsuits. Right? And the guy who gave it to me,
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  Speaker 3: he was like, listen, at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just from Queens. And I was like, whoa! Queens?
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  Speaker 1: Queens!
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  Speaker 2: No, we're not buying paints from Queens. I'm sorry, Queens,
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  Speaker 2: but we're not buying paints from people in Queens.
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  Speaker 3: And he clearly thought we were drug dealers because he
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  Speaker 3: was like, he was like, You're trying.
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  Speaker 1: To money launder.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly. He was like, these paintings are all right.
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  Speaker 3: You know where the flip is, is the rugs. He's like,
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  Speaker 3: I'll let you go back in and look at those rugs.
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  Speaker 3: But they were on the truck. He's like, I'll let
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  Speaker 3: you go in the truck and look at the rugs
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  Speaker 3: for like 15, 20. And I got a guy who
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  Speaker 3: will appraise them. You just got to send them out
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  Speaker 3: to California. And I was already like, man, I know
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  Speaker 3: this is, I know, man. I know I got got.
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  Speaker 3: I know I got got. You did. Give me the Matisse.
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  Speaker 3: Give me the herrings. I still got it in the crib.
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  Speaker 3: And I got a Botero.
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  Speaker 1: So you never tried to flip them?
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  Speaker 3: Nah, man. And Patero's cool, though. I like paintings of
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  Speaker 3: fat people, so it's good. I never tried to. We
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  Speaker 3: looked online, and it was, like, not. And then my buddy, like,
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  Speaker 3: somehow figured it out that, I guess, yeah, they go to, like,
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  Speaker 3: smaller market-type cities with all this stuff. Because, like, even, like,
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  Speaker 3: it was crazy because a lot of the jewelry they
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  Speaker 3: had was bus downs, which you know doesn't flip in
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  Speaker 3: the same way. So they were selling like bust down
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  Speaker 3: Cartier's and stuff like that. So it was like the
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  Speaker 3: whole thing is just like get people to think these
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  Speaker 3: are higher priced goods than they can. You have the
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  Speaker 3: name recognition. run it up because some people were paying and.
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  Speaker 2: Also this is like a social experiment in small towns
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  Speaker 2: it's like a way for them to culturally flex their
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  Speaker 2: wealth amongst their small community like oh I was at
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  Speaker 2: this auction.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah I got a Salvador Dali sketch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it's like something interesting for them to talk about
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  Speaker 2: and book club because.
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  Speaker 3: They had all the big names Picasso all the names
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  Speaker 3: that if you're not into art but you've heard why.
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  Speaker 1: Is Picasso coming to Colorado.
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  Speaker 3: Why is Picasso in a truck It's not temperature controlled.
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  Speaker 3: Why is Picasso in a truck? It doesn't, it's not
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  Speaker 3: like a reasonable way to get art. It was, it was,
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  Speaker 3: but it was like, but even after it was all
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  Speaker 3: said and done.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I got Picasso in a truck. Don't worry about that.
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  Speaker 3: Bro, why you got Jordan on? That's what, that's what,
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  Speaker 3: when I knew it was messed up. Cause like, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, you guys were in suits yesterday. And now
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  Speaker 3: you're in Jordan. Tell me you're from Queens. This is
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  Speaker 3: not good.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like they might have felt relaxed around you.
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  Speaker 2: You do have sort of a, like, drug lord energy, David.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie.
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  Speaker 3: And that's a problem that's followed me my entire life.
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  Speaker 3: You know what it is? Because I don't sell drugs
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  Speaker 3: at all. I'm not even good at it.
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  Speaker 1: It's because you're so calm. And you have beautiful teeth.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And, like, you just see, like, even the way you're sitting, like,
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  Speaker 1: this is drug lord energy. Like, the way you're sitting
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  Speaker 1: right now, it's giving, like. You don't do the murders. Yeah, never.
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  Speaker 2: But you are there with maybe like a white towel
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  Speaker 2: in your hand after you've given like a light speech
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: so that all the lieutenants can also hear how disposable
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  Speaker 2: everyone is in the network.
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  Speaker 3: To be fair.
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  Speaker 1: And then you just throw a towel on them and
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  Speaker 1: you're like, clean them up.
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  Speaker 3: And then you leave. I mean, to be fair, we
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  Speaker 3: pulled up to that truck in a Mazda. It didn't look.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't look like we were.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, drug lawyers know how to keep a low profile.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair. Maybe because he did. He did keep trying
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: to hook me up.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: The Mazda could have been it. Remember the Mazda commercials
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: when it was dancing?
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: Zoom, zoom, zoom. Zoom, zoom, zoom.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: They used to make real commercials, man. Those shits were lit.
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: R.I.P., man. Remember?
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe dancing and cheering.
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: Man, I haven't seen anybody dance in a commercial ever.
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: It's just like somebody who's got a disease I don't know.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: We need to bring all of it back. I feel
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: like everything has gotten so lazy in media. I'm like,
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: where are the commercials for the old people drugs where they're.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: Sitting in a bathtub and riding bikes? Bring that back.
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: We loved it.
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: We also need guys in parking lots telling us to
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: go to trade school.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: What are you doing right now?
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: Sitting on your couch right now?
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: You could be a phlebotomist.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Right now.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: You could be in Billing and Coding, but you want
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: to sit your bitch ass on that couch.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: You better get up and go to Everest.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: You might as well learn how hospitality works.
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: It's 2 p.m. Why are you watching me right now?
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: Because you ain't got no job.
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: He did cook on that. That was why I was
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: watching it.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: It was 100%.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't think about my life.
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. I never signed up. I never signed up.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: I went on the website just to see what the
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: heck going on.
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: Man. Wouldn't that be great? I have a college degree.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: But I was still like, hmm.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: You know, there's a black woman intuition of like, Maybe
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: I go get another degree.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, black women are the best at school.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: We're like, oh my God, life is so hard. Maybe
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: I get another degree.
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: Man, we're so different, you and I. I'm like, life
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: is so hard. Let me go run up these paintings
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: and try.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: To flip them. Right, I'm like, let me go get
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: another degree.
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: But to all that, I appreciate a good scam. I
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: love a scam. I love, I feel bad for the
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: people who are scammed on. But I love people making
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: money outside the lines.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we talk about this a lot. We
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: scam up. People who are scamming us, go ahead and
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: scam them back. That's beautiful.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: But hand-to-hand, person-to-person, I don't agree with those. Just because, like,
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: everybody's trying to make it, especially in this economy, especially
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: in this country.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's trying. I got so many people I go
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: to high school with who are trying to sell supplements
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: online and shit like that.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, the high school stay-in-your-hometown-to-MLM pipeline thing.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: Somebody needs to talk about it.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: It's like the Forbes 30 under 30 to prison pipeline.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Very strong pipeline.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: Wait, I didn't know that. Is that true? Oh, yeah.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Look up how many people on Forbes 30 under 30
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: have been in prison or are in prison now.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: You have to be a bad person to get it
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: that quick. Is that what you're saying?
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're doing, but apparently fast is
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: not good.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair. But the MLM high school thing is like,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: it always makes me sad, too, because they should always
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: be having like two likes. And you're like, oh, man.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you ain't selling no leggings like that.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: No Herbalife. No Herbalife.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: No, like, it's always health stuff, too. It's always like,
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: I've changed my life on this health thing. It's like,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: I think you have an eating disorder.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't think it's these pills.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: But you need to market the ED correctly.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Like, you gotta, like, have your before picture and your
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: after and then be like, Herbalife got me to this starvation.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: And then people might believe your story.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: As opposed to poverty.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: But I also don't like how ED is now back
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: rampant in our, like, popular culture because obviously we're about
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: to go through one of the worst depressions that we've
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: ever seen as a country and now they're trying to
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: get people used to looking at emaciated people to be
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: like look it's.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Not so bad that you can't buy eggs or bread.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Cause look at these skinny celebrities everybody's starving we all
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: starving you good with starving right cause we gotta fund
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: other countries and bombs you good with starving like are
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: you ready for the depression I don't like getting geared
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: up for the depression I kind of think.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: I could come up to be honest with I remember
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: one time when I was a kid, I read some shit,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: and they said that entertainment is recession-proof, and I noted it.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I was like, good to know.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: It's not, though. It's actually not recession-proof.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Me and my brothers are going to be like the
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: new chaplains.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Our shows that we give away for free with advertisements are,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: but live shows.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: But we get money for those advertisements.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Don't talk about that.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: I don't, but I would love some. I would love to.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: But we don't but like live shows where I'm in
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: person it's like oh you gotta get a babysitter you
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: gotta buy a ticket maybe you're buying merch you know
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: you're driving there maybe you're paying for parking got two
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: drink minimum at certain places like that's not recession proof.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: But I think sometimes that is what people are more
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: willing to spend on than getting a nicer car or
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: something like that is like the one night the one
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: time you come to their town I think you have
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: a better shot at getting a broke person in that
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: way than on some bullshit That's true. Because they still
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: enjoy it.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: They like you. And we give great shows. Yeah.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Like, listen, some of y'all, y'all pay for my shows,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: and y'all got to steal my merchandise.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I put up a sign that says steal this, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: then y'all stole it. I was proud of you.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Are you serious? Yeah.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Card chip machine wasn't working. I was like, fuck it,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: give it all away. They were like, what? And I
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: was like, no, give it away.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Times are hard.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: You didn't pay for this show.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: You're a good person.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Pull up.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: You're a good person.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Take something with you.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: That's an anti-scam.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I guess it is. We're going to move into my
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: favorite segment of the show, David.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Historic hoodwinks. This is where I will regale David with
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: a famous con caper. A group of criminals will get
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: his opinions all throughout. And today we're talking about, kind
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: of keeping on the car theme, automotive expert, Tommy McEula.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Ooh, he looks not trustworthy.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Now, Tommy McEula, he.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, his barber don't fuck with him because what's going
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: on on the fade on this side? Like, why did
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: they bald him right there?
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: You know what I've always thought?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And it looks like his hairline is full, so this
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: feels like he just got, like, somebody, he asked for
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: a fade. I feel like he showed a picture of, like,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: either a black or Latino dude with a fade, and
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: his barber at Great Clips was like.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, buddy, I can do that. Because, like, why is.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It he balded you a little bit?
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: It feels like they could have blended a little better.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: It feels like that doesn't, Because my man got a
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: soft face. You can't have a soft face and a
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: hard haircut. You know what I mean?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's balance. I feel like soft face,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: soft hair is just soft blob face.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: But I think you got to just melt into the softness.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: He looks like he's trying to escape his lot in life.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: You think he needs to grow it out?
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: I think you need to do something wacky, man.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: You're right. If he did wacky, he could be a
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: little charming.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the chin is gone, right? So the downstairs ain't popping.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Put something on the roof.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: That haircut makes him low-key look like a Nazi. If
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: he didn't have those glasses on, it would be.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I kind of thought he was a lady. And I
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: don't really know what that means.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Don't insult ladies like that. No, no, no.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I just mean it's like.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: He clearly knows something about the chin. Because this pose
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: is like, let me give myself a chin.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: It's like when women pose and they do this.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, you think that's cleavage? You think he's doing face cleavage?
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's doing face cleavage.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's interesting.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: He's like, let me get my chin up there.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Let me pop it out.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Because that chin might be like a thumb. We'll see
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: more photos. But I feel like he's trying to.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I gotta see this guy in another light.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: But so this is tommy mccullough and he stopped working
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: for car dealers and started working for car buyers helping
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: them get lower prices on a new car and he's
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: making money too of course right so he's helping people
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: as far as we know So the world's top middleman.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I hate a middleman.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: That's the kind of worse energy.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: It's such a scam.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: It's a corporate scam.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: It's a corporate scam.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: How can we make money off people? Like, how can we?
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I talk about it all the time with taxes. Like,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: you should just be able to file your taxes directly
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: to the government. That's something that we have been trying
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: to push, which is direct file. But the lobbyists for
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: TurboTax and for, you know, H & R Block and
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: all of them are paying so much money to our
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: corrupt-ass politicians to keep it from going through because it
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: destroys their whole industry.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Right. But my thing is, like— Did you ever do
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: your own taxes back in the day?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to H & R Block. I had
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a lady.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I just did that 1040EZ by myself.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: The text man has always been on my ass, so
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, really?
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. We don't have to talk on it anymore.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: No, that's all we need to know. Yeah, that's fine.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: That's fine.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: But now I have an accountant. I have people who
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: handle things, but I watch them.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like, because I feel like my accountant's
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: getting away with some stuff.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, not mine.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: He's great.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe you pass a business card after this.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: I will.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Because we have conversations.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: And the first conversation we had when I hired him,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: and he was a reference from something I'll tell you after.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: But I like to casually joke with people I work
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: with in business. But I'll laugh, but I'll stop laughing
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: at the right time so you know that I'm not
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: serious and I will explain this.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I was talking to my accountant for the first time.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, you know, you're going to have
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: access to all my bank accounts and all of my money. But,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: you know, in entertainment, like, things happen. Like, remember that
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Rihanna situation where people were handing her finances? Like, completely
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: were stealing from her. And then she made that song,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: bitch better have my money. That shit was so funny, right?
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, nice. I felt, because I got scared.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I keep a bat in my trunk. Yeah, I'll sue.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: But also, we're both having to show up in the
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: court at the same time.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I know you're saying it generally. It does feel like
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: you're saying it to me. And the tension has risen
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: in the room, and I just want to acknowledge that.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: You know, you want to be funny, I want to
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: be hilarious.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we're Keenan anymore. Okay. No, give
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: me that card. I need your guy. Or gal.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: This is getting all of them crazy.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Repercussions aren't going to be litigation, babes. It's going to
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: be that plus more.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I always pretend like.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And plausible deniability. I'm like, I got cousins who only
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: got one strike.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I like that. I like to pretend like I have
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: my money more places than I do.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Same.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, this is all
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: the money in the business account.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: That's all you know about.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah. This is all the American money.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I give you access to all the USD.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: You want to talk euro? You want to talk euro?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: You want to talk yen?
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Even weirder. I got a lot of croners.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: This is good.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: So he's the world's top middleman, right? So Tommy is
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: a 33-year-old former car dealership employee.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: You know he's a scammer. He's working at a car dealership, right?
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Off the rib.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Who spent more than 10 years selling cars and auto financing.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: He knows the tricks car salesmen pull to get you
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: to pay too much for a car because that used.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: To be his job.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: So now he's using his tricks, but maybe for good
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: now because he's working on the other side.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: He is charging them.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, this is a classic social media hustle, right? I
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: was on the inside. Now I'll tell you.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Now I'm on the outside.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you all their secrets.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: If you give me money.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: So now he works out of his home office, which
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: is Harry Potter themed in Charlotte, North Carolina. OK, Harry
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Potter thing. You're a J.K. Rowling freak. We should have known.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So he's she's a turf. I hate her.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: So his new job is to negotiate a lower price
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: for cars right from a dealership on behalf of the buyer.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: As long as that buyer pays him a thousand dollars.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: He calls his new job negotiation services.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm kind of.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: $ 1, 000? $ 1, 000 is crazy.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: How much is he knocking off?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Obviously, hopefully more than $ 1, 000.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: I mean... And he calls them for you. Yeah. So, like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: if I'm him, I would be like, hello, I'm calling
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: on behalf of Lacey. She would like this new BMW X5.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: At this price.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: At this price. Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I mean... And you were right.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: To guess social media because he has 500,000 followers on
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: TikTok and more than 100,000 on Instagram. And he's famous
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: on car forums. So a lot of dealers know who
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: he is. Some car dealerships don't even take his calls.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Others do because they want a chance to take on
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the big business.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: The master negotiator.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: This is the big dog.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the big dog. Look, again, hand on
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the chin.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I think you're 100% right on that call.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: You know how balding men wear hats? You're not balding.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I wasn't saying you were hat fishing, David.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I know you have hair.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: No, but people... But some.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: People do hat fish. He's chin fishing with these fingers.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: We know what that chin look like.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: He is chin fishing.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: He's chin fishing us.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: And also....
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: The car negotiator thing, if you can't afford to pay
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: $ 1, 000 to help someone help you buy a car, do
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: you have a man in your life? If you're a
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: woman especially, I have never purchased a car without having
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: a man with me.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: And the reason I do that is because there's such
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: implicit bias on women buying cars. They try to raise
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the price. They try to trick you. And so I
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: will go through a whole car buying process with my dad.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Like the last time I was at the Mercedes dealership.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: It was with my dad. Was he that big, strong guy?
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Is your dad a big, strong guy?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: He's a tall guy.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's important.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And he's, like, sinewy. Plays a lot of golf. He's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: not skinny.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: But he looks like a... Does your dad look like.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: He's not the rock, but he's not skinny.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: But, like, does your dad look like he's capable of
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: a level of physical violence?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, and he is.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: That's important.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: He's a very good fighter.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: He is.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: He's very talented.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: And he got into Princeton when he was 16, so
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: he's also a genius.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: So I bring Daddy with me, and the whole time
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I let on of, like, Daddy's buying.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Me a car.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, Dad, let's try this one. Let's
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: try this one. And then once we get to financing,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: he's negotiated the rate. And they're like, all right, let's
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: get to payment.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm paying. It's my car.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Like, once the paperwork is printed and I'm just signing stuff.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And they're like, wait a minute.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, how square are you on price when you
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: come in? Like, when you come in to buy a car,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: you have exactly what you want to pay?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, my car's paid off. I'm going to drive
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: until the wheels fall off.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: But I mean, just like the pricing, the purchase price.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: You have exactly, you know exactly what you wanted anyways.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what I want.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Have you ever tried to go without your dad and
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: then gone with your dad? Yes. Because I feel like
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: you could.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: But it was only when my car, like I used
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: to have a Ford Focus.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Ford sponsored the show. Okay.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you're giving out focuses.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: But no, you don't want this focus. It was a limit.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I kept getting mail.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Like physical mail that would be like, hey girl, take
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: your Ford to the dealership because the doors are flying
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: off on the highway.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Recall stuff.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: And I was like, the recall is the doors are
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: flying off?
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's not first of all that's something
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you put in the mail if the doors are flying
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: off i feel like you need to make phone.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Calls yeah yeah yeah so that we know.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: The doors are flying at least an email yeah you
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: sent this through seven days ups usps snail mail also.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: It says ford on it i'm not believing that but
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: might as well say capital one.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I took it to the dealership and they were like
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: yeah we had a lot of recalls on this model
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: it is pretty much a limit you won't get a
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: new car and i'm like They were trying to trick me.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. But did you, so what happened? Did you
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: do it by yourself or you brought your dad every time?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: No, I brought him.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I did that one by myself, but I ended up
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: not buying a car because I felt like they were
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: trying to trick me. Right.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: They are.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I wanted to get it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Repaired because the transmission went out because it was a lemon.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: But then, like, they were like, oh, well, you know
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: it's a lemon, right? You want another car from us?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, why would I want another fucking car from y'all?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: If y'all sending me letters talking about.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: You gave me a lemon.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: You're a monster.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, we got some blow-up problems. We got a
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: recall for blow-ups.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Like, can you be for real?
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: No.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Allegedly.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: That last one is a joke. But the doors flying
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: off is a letter that I got from Ford. So...
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: My door didn't fly out, but I also no longer
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: have that car.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Thank God.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Thank God my door stayed on. Shout out to the king.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: So we're talking about Tommy, right? So Tommy's got all
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: these followers on TikTok and Instagram, right? And he's getting
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: famous amongst the car dealership communities. Three years ago, Tommy
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: started his business called Delivered. Now, he's doing that rapper
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: thing where, you know how, like, black is like six black.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It's like that six that's supposed to be a B.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, 100%.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: You know, we have all of those. So his is
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: called Delivered. It's D-E-L-V-R-D. So, you know, we're missing a vowel.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I don't love it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: So he did this, like, for negotiating his deals. So...
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: He said that it was free for strangers he met
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on Reddit.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: He closed about 50 deals for car buyers before he
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: started charging people. So he did it for free for first.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: So all the free people could be like, look how
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: good he is.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Because it is a skill he has, right?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: So now the company has a team of five professional
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: negotiators and makes about $ 200, 000.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: In revenue a month.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: For a flat fee of $ 1, 000, they haggle.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: On a buyer's behalf for whatever car you want.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: They don't promise the best possible deal, but they will
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: probably get you to pay less than the sticker price
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: of a car unless it's a super popular model like
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: a Lexus GX550.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: But they'll still take your money if you want a GX550.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they said no guarantees on the GX550, but
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you can try.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I'm so angry.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Why are you angry?
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I just don't like this. It's like, Buying a car
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: is such a vulnerable thing because like even more than
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: most spaces, I think that's like where they really trick people.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? So it's like it's already
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: so vulnerable. You're already getting tricked. And this guy's just
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: adding on. This isn't a fun scam. This isn't a Matisse.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: This is how you drive your kids to school.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: True. You know?
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: But also he's going down anyway.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: People who are car connoisseurs.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: So we don't know if these are the type of
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: people who have 12 cars and they don't drive them all.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: If you've bought 12 cars, are you going to hire
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Nochin to get your 13th?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Listen, I think rich people stay rich. They'd be stingy.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. But this is another added expense
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: without like proof of value. He even says that he
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: might not get it on. And if you're rich, you're
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: getting a newer car. Right. Anyways.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: So those are the cars that they're less inclined to like,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: they have less wiggle room. So it seems like if,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I don't think this is a service for rich people.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: This is a service for poor people who are scared
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: to talk to dealerships.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Is how I view it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a service for me. If I didn't
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: have a dad.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe, maybe it would have been.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Or all that Toyota money.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Delivered.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: For. Excuse me.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Toyota sponsor the show.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: So. Tommy also livestreamed some of his conversations to followers
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: who want to tune in. He started livestreaming after his
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: brother encouraged him to upload a heated 27-minute conversation with
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: a dealer who called him a liar and began referring
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to him as Bubba. That video went viral. Some of
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Tommy's audience want, like, do we have some of that conversation?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: We're going to play a little bit of the conversation.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Sandy, how may I help you? Hey, Sandy, are you
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: a new car sales?
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Yes, I am. Hey, awesome.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: I just wanted to see if you guys have a
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: car available.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Do you have a particular stock number in mind?
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: 27K as in Kia 001.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: That car is a Kia Telluride F in the 2027.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: It is not here. It is still on order, Tommy.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Is it available?
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: It is available.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Well, hopefully I'll make your life super easy. I've already
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: driven it. I already know I want one. I'm really
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: just trying to find one. And some of the dealerships,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you, are insane out here. Some
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: dealerships are charging $ 5, 000, $ 10, 000 above sticker on this car.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh my, I almost had a heart attack.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: The last person I talked to, what is your asking price?
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: About $ 6, 000 over the sticker.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: I've heard really good things about.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: I used to live in Florida, so citrus, it all
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: aligns with my... personal beliefs i just don't think every
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: dealership is going to be bad and try to charge
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: a mark i love this editing hoping i called the
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: right place.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely let me contact one.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Of my team leaders a few moments later.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Millennial that's my third favorite name in the world It's Steve, Alexandria,
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: and Jason.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Jason, it's Tom. How's it going?
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Good, how are you?
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: He's charming.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: I'm looking for a telluride. What kind of pricing can
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: we do?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Other than the MFRP, which you have online, we don't
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: have any pricing on that vehicle yet until it arrives.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Jason, not to be blunt here, but why did I
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: get transferred to you? We're taking a lot of calls
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: on him right now. I'm the general manager.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: I don't want to waste your time as a GM
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: with you just telling me the same information she could
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: have told me.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: We'll have more information once we get them in stock
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: sometime next week.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: I probably had bought one by then. I'm looking to
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: put a deposit on one. Just trying to find a
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: fair dealership on one. You guys don't want to do that?
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: That's fine. I'll keep going around until somebody's willing to
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: put a deposit on one.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Let me know if you don't end up getting one
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: or you're still interested. Once it arrives, give us a call. Okay.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Sounds good.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to debate that, if that dealer, because some
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: people were saying that they thought they knew who I was.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Something didn't add up there. Why did she transfer me?
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: This is what I get frustrated with, right? There's a
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: clear lack of caring about the customer experience. And like
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: the idea that I call somebody, talk to them for
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: five minutes.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Customer experience is a thing of the past.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: But also, I'm not paying a stack for that. That's
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: what we're paying this guy to do?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we could have low-key do that.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: That was crazy.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: He didn't do anything.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, he did get them to admit the sticker
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: price and how much above they were pricing the car.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: They said 6K above the sticker, so now you know
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the sticker and what they're doing.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, but he didn't get... Is he going to call
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: another dealership and get me sticker?
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: He said that was one of many calls.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I don't trust this guy at all.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I mean... I don't trust the middleman either, so I'm
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: on your side.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: But also, the dissolution of customer service is so real.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: We see it in everything.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Things that we didn't used to pay for, we have
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: to pay for. Experiences that we used to have, we
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: don't have anymore. I went into Uniqlo and... I was
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: actually really, I kind of loved the checkout system, but
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I also hated it. So in the store, there weren't
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: really many people milling about, like Zara's doing this as well.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: The retail stores where they're having less and less staff
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: on and they don't need anybody at checkout because now
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: they have self-checkout. At Unico, you just put all your
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: clothes into this bucket and it reads all the sensor tags.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I've done that. I took my little brother to Uniqlo, yeah.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And then you pay.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: And it was fast and convenient, but it was also
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: kind of hollow and empty.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And, like, there's nobody here who.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Do you miss a personal shopping experience?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I do, because sometimes you love... Like, someone works there
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: and they love the clothes. And they're like, oh, you
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: should try this. Or, oh, we just got this then.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Or whatever, whatever.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Or don't do this, more specifically, right?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Or, like, this doesn't wash well or dry clean well. Like,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: don't wear it. Like, do this or whatever.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Like, now you're losing the personal experience that made you
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: purchase things. Yeah. And some purchases are emotional purchases. Like
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: clothing is like how you.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Present yourself to the world. It's your armor. It's language.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Fashion is language. How do you want to present? What
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: are you trying to communicate?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Just like you said, like with the auctions, with the
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: fake Matisse's, they showed up in suits for the auction.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Then it was trying to buy it. They was like, hey,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: my guy, like we got on our Jordans. This is
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: who we really are. Fashion is language. And cars are.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Also a deeply personal purchase. It's something you're going to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: sit in for a lot of your fucking life.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: And that's how they sell cars, right? Sell people cars.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: It's like their image, right? They pull up to a restaurant.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: They're getting valeted.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: They want the car to reflect that they're fancy or
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: rich or whatever the case may be.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Or if they're reliable in a RAV4 Toyota.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Or if they're a murderer in one of those big-ass trucks.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Anybody who's riding in one of those monster trucks that
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: are way too high for the road, I'm like, So
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: what body image issues do you have?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: And how many people have you killed?
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Something's either too big or too small.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's how I feel when people have giant cars.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Because like, why are you, we're not at motocross. Why
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: are you driving this on the highway?
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Why is it so tall?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: You can't see anyone.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: This isn't what, you don't use it for work. It's
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: a truck.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: It's a feeling. Can't be big in life. You can
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: be big in car.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Damn. Damn.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Big in car.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Some of Tommy's audience want to learn how to get
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: a good price for a car, right?
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: That's what he's obviously advertising.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Others listen to his calls like ASMR. Jim Simone, a
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: 55-year-old American expat in Singapore, listens on his daily walks
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: to Zen Out. Imagine like your comfort, like sound being,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: your white noise is like this chinless man haggling for cars.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Woof. That's, that guy has a tough life. Damn, that's upsetting.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Or I don't know, whatever.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: He's relaxing.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Whatever floats your boat, but like haggling over prices, that
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: doesn't feel relaxing at all.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, the way he does it's pretty chill. He's
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: just talking like, yeah, well, I don't know why they
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: brought me to you if you're going to say the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: same thing that your associate said. It's like aggressive, but
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the tone is so chill.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I wanted him to hit maybe a little more white
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: guy insults. I was kind of hoping for that.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: A Mr.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Man, a Buster Brown.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Sprinkle a little malarkey.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Poppycock.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Take a long walk off a short bridge.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you where you can put it, pal.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: That's kind of what I was hoping for.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: You needed some pals in there.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: You needed some pals in there.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a few busters.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: You hit him with a buster, you're getting sticker.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: You're getting sticker.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: You drop that B? A hard B on him?
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Hard R? Sticker every time.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Buster.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Buster?
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I'll call the BBB buster.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: The better buster.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: The better buster hero.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Hero.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: That was actually what it was originally called. It didn't
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: test as well, though.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: It's a scam, too.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: They're just holding real companies hostage, and you can pay
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: if you're a real company to get negative reviews taken
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: off the Better Business Bureau, but they don't actually do anything.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I did a whole episode about it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: That's kind of a fun lick they did. They did. Honestly,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: I kind of wish I didn't. I don't really hate
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: that one.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe I make narc.org. We start reporting people on narc.org.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be fun.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: If you want to get off NARC, you got to pay.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It says here your NARC is two Percocets.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I could change that for you. I could change that
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: for you because your rating's real low.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not good.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get on NARC right now. We're having
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a 15% off sale.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I love this transition for you.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's like Tommy because Tommy, he was the car hustler.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: And now he's the car savior for $ 1, 000.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Tommy's tactics, the first and most important step in
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: car negotiation process is to not actually go to a
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: dealership in person. That's the mistake regular people make, says Tommy.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Thinking you have to walk onto a car lot and
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: take a test drive as part of the car buying.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Process is part of the scheme.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: In fact, the time you spend at the lot starts
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: to feel like a sunk cost, and you're more likely
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: to give in and just take a deal because you've
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: spent hours talking about it in person. Plus, FaceTime with
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: a salesman is only going to help them pull you
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: into a deal with extra charges and hidden fees.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: That is true. Sunken cost fallacy does ring true at
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: the car dealership.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: It does.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Because time is money. Time is valuable. And then.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: If it's your third spot that day too.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Then you're worn down.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're like, man, I've been talking about getting
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: a Toyota Land Cruiser.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: For 12 hours.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: And I was such a victim to the sunk cost fallacy,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: which makes no sense because I have a business degree
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and I had to learn about these things in economics.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: We don't know what a sunk cost is. A sunk
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: cost is.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: When you have already paid into something and not had
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: your desired output. That pay could be your time, your energy,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: or your money. But because you've invested that time, energy,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and money, you will see something scammy through because you've
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: already invested so much time. When in reality, you cannot
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: ever make your time or your money back.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: It is a sunk cost.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: It's gone.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: So it's better to walk away from a situation that's
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: not serving you than to continue to pay into it
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: because you already have paid so much.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's very, like, a very, like, bootstraps idea, right?
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: You just got to hard work your way out of it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it works.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, no.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It works on people.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: It works on me on all kinds of stuff.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Same.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Same.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I get to the end, and I'm just like,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: fuck it, buy it. Okay, we're just buying this. This
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: is the thing we're buying. And I'm spending way too
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: much money, but I'm, like, so, like, I'm overwhelmed with choice,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: and I'm done with choosing.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, been there.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: If a waiter comes three times that third time, I'm
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: just getting the nigiri.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: That's just what I'm going to do.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what's the special? Give me that.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't have time to think anymore. So you
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: can buy a car by email or phone. That's how
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Tommy does it. And we saw him on the phone
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: in that TikTok video. So he starts out by asking 7%
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: to 10% off the sticker price or manufacturer-suggested retail price,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: since in his experience, that's as low as a dealer
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: will go. Then he calls or emails at least seven
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: different dealerships and sometimes more than 100 dealerships in a
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: number of states to get competing offers he can pit
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: against each other. It sounds like he's earning his thousand dollars.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: He and his negotiators sometimes claim to be from the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: same state as their clients to simplify conversations, even adopting
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: local accents. Come on, theater! But some sales representatives notice
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: the area code, which doesn't match where they say they're from.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: He makes so many of these calls that he uses
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: a bingo card of frequent dealer phrases to entertain himself
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: and viewers, including spaces like, I'm losing money on this deal,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and the dealer is named Mike. It's always a Mike
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: selling a car. Yeah.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Look at this. Salesman named Mike. You can get bingo
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: off that. Touch the car for sure. Heavy breather. Car
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: salesman's definitely mouth breathers. Doesn't laugh at my jokes. Ain't
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: shit funny? He trying to make money.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Recognize Tommy. He's got himself on there.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Calls me Matthews.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Love it. All dealers do this. Okay.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Dealership doesn't answer being on there is such a great
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: ploy for a scam. He's like, they didn't pick up,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: but I'm still taking your.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: $ 1, 000.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is tough. He proves all this to you
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: when you employ his services?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's filming it, so you know he's doing it. Okay.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: But this guy's not Robin Hood. Stealing from rich car
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: dealerships and giving to poor car buyers. He's actually taking
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: money from poor car buyers too, right? Because he's taking
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: that stack.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: A stack for phone calls for shit that we could
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: all do.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Feels tough. Heavy.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: He's just an extra.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Middleman you can pay for to make the process of
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: buying a car suck a little less.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: And his whole existence is because of how shitty people
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: make buying a car. I see people online and I'm
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: just like, y'all have signed horrible, like, oh my gosh.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: And especially black and immigrant.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: And brown communities. I was going to say, it seems like.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Did you see that post on threads about the G-Wagon?
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: It was like, how much did you pay for your G-Wagon?
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: And there are people under there who are like, I
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: put down, like, how much did you put down? They're like,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I put down $ 60, 000 and my car note is $ 5, 000
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: a month.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: What?
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: If you're putting down $ 60, 000 for a car, you can't
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: afford the car.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: $ 60, 000.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Down payment?
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: That sucks so bad.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: If you can't buy a G-Wagon cash, you probably shouldn't have.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Isn't the whole G-Wagon hustle the weight anyways?
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: And in California, you're paying way more for that weight.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why you got to do it
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: under your business. I don't even like.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh. It's a depreciating asset.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: So to put 60K down on it, I'm like, that's crazy.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: That makes me really sad.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Unless you have stupid murderer money. Yeah.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Which maybe he does. This guy makes me feel like
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: he's preying on. I imagine this guy, this hustle works
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: for like if there's a language barrier.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Stuff like that. It seems like it's like key to
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: pretty vulnerable people.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: And he's taking advantage of the same trend that car
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: dealers take advantage of, which has made car buying harder
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: now than it's ever been in the past. So in
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: the time of the Internet, and especially since the pandemic,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: people are doing all their shopping online. There is no
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: culture of haggling anymore. which is built into the process
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: of buying a car, right? That's why I took my
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: daddy with me. Right.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Because they're like, oh, he has a penis. We'll respect him.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Also, he can fight.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: If I just came in there with my vagina, oh, yeah,
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and he can fight. And he looks like he can fight.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: And he's sinewy.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I feel like your dad has a lot going for him.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: He does. It's not just the penis.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: He's athletic. He's super smart.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: He went to Princeton at 16?
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: He was accepted to Princeton at 16.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: He didn't go.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: He went to another college, but I don't want to
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: tell so much of his lore because I'm private.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. But he's a genius. He's sinewy. He
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: looks like he could be violent. He's also from Mississippi.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I don't think everybody has the ace in the hole
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: that you do. I don't think this is relatable.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: You're right. You're right. On several levels.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: It's like he's a mathematic genius and an engineer. Also
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: very good at belt to ass. Also good height.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Handsome. Fit, black man.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, fair.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Cash your blessings. Okay, fair, fair.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Some people might need to hire this guy.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: It sounds like your dad needs to get in this business.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: They need to hire Tommy because I got daddy.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I'm saying your dad needs to make a little bit.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Clarence could probably clean up.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Clarence, that's the strongest man name there is. That's the
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: name for men and horses. Like, I mean that respectfully, like,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: in a good way. Oh, yeah, no, I know what
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: you mean.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is a very strong name. You're right.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: So he, you know, is taking advantage of the fact
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: that everything's online. You know, you got your Carvanhas. Carvanhas
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: pass at a show. You got all of these companies
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: doing this stuff online. So the sticker price is not
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: supposed to be what you pay. It's supposed to be
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: a starting point for negotiations. But buyers do not want
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: to negotiate or even talk to another person at all
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: if they can avoid it under any circumstance.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Fair. I hate talking to people. People will be surprised
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: by that.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: I am surprised by that.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I'm an introvert. I hate meeting new people.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: It's really hard for me.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Damn. This is a tough business. that you got into.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I just hate small talk. I get on the phone
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: with my friends. It's like, how you doing? And they're like,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: so I'm trying to sell my place in Temecula. It's like,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: we don't, we don't have a like, what would the
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: weather is like conversation.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: We're just in it.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: I'm the, I'm the opposite. I'd be chatting at the
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: gas station. I like, I like, I like banal nonsense conversations.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I hate banal.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: I don't, I, it's not all the time. It's not
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: with people I love, but like, Outside, I'll be like, yeah,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: that's a cool shirt.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: That's a cool shirt, and then you guys talk for
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: an hour?
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, oh, are the rotisserie chickens good here?
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: But I hate that price scamming because it is in
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: marketing a lot where they'll either say, oh, everything's 30% off,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: but that's actually the real price. The store is just
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: always 30% off all the time, and so that's a
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: trick to make people think that they're actually saving money
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: going to the store. Aeropostale does that, like lower pricing
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: where there's always a deal. The deal is the price
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: they wanted to charge you. and like he's doing that
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: or like these cardio shits were doing that by like
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: here's the fake and faded price and if you want
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: to fight with us you can and we'll make you
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: feel good about the price we actually wanted you to
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: pay anyway or if you're a sucker you'll pay the
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: price that's like on the website yeah it sucks So
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: people will pay to avoid having a conversation with a stranger.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I would.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: And Tommy charges $ 1, 000 per person to do it for them.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: That's more than most salesmen at a dealership make on commission.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: You can do the same thing Tommy's doing using his
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: techniques without paying anyone.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: But who wants to do that? Honestly, it's convenience fee.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: But here's why it makes me not trust him. If
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: he's making more on commission than car dealers... are making
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: on commission per sales car dealers who are known high-pressure salesmen,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: then what's the pressure level that he's operating at if
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: his markup is higher than theirs? Like, he wants to
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: sell you his service harder than they want to sell
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: you that car. That feels like you can't trust that guy, right?
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I mean, cars are more
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: expensive now than ever.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: The average transaction price of a new car is $ 49, 466
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: in December of 2025, up from $ 40, 578 five years earlier.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: One in five people committed to a monthly car payment.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: They're committed to a monthly car payment of $ 1, 000 or
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: more at the end of 2025. Yeah.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Which is the highest it's ever been.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Add-ons that you don't need, like extended warranties, tire protection,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: VIN etching, and rust proofing. All of those extra things
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: can inflate the final price by as much as 30%.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: And we are seeing this.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, I told you I was on that thread
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: and people were paying, what, $ 4, 000 car notes? That's a
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: fucking mortgage for a car. Like, obviously, that's only high end,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: but the average being around $ 1, 000 or more is insane.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: $ 1, 000 is a really high car note.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: At this point, we got to live in a bitch.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Car home. I hope you're door dashing.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: So in 2023, car dealerships in Wisconsin had to pay
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: back a million dollars to car buyers they had illegally
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: overcharged based on their race.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: And what race was that? I think we all know.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: where this was going.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Well look the car buyers were.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: There's only two possibilities i think.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Yep and it's one of them the car buyers were
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: american indians god.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Damn that's worse than i thought it was gonna.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Be they went back to the motherland yikes the people
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: who were here first they columbus in damn native americans.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Damn the people who named all your lakes wisconsin right
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: that's brutal Crazy. That's really.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: They said we can't name them after sports teams no more. Okay,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: we're going to get them at the car dealership.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: Damn it.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Ain't right.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: So these dealerships hold so much power and set such
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: aggressive prices that car buyers often feel discouraged from negotiating
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: or pushing back. Tommy could just be the lesser of
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: two evils. So they were like, we got to pay
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: this man to help us out.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: I see that. I do see that.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I do see that as well. But it's also like.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: And if it becomes a thing like with the Native
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Americans where it's probably like, You're getting screwed. Everybody in
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: your community is getting screwed. You're like, this man looks
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: like a hero, I'm sure.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Right. And it's like, oh, we pay this fee, but
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: it's less than we would pay if we let them
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: hustle us. So he can hustle them down $ 5, 000.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Then I save $ 4, 000 because I paid him a grand.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: So the biggest tip, though, we'll tell you all, the
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: biggest tip for not getting scammed when buying a car
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: is to not buy a car.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, what up, Leafs gang? Let's go.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: And if you do buy one, try not to finance it.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Like a movie theater makes their actual profit margin from
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: selling popcorn and soda, a car dealership gets their profits
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: from financing. I did finance my car. But I got
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: a very low interest rate because my Princeton genius fighter
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: daddy was there. And by the time they negotiated it,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: and he had bought cars from that dealership as well.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And so this guy was like yucking it up with him.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: He was like, oh my gosh, Clarence, at this point,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: we got to get you a punch card. And I
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, give me one too.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: We both like punch.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: We love punch.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Bring one of them hot dogs.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: What kind of promotion y'all got going on?
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Give me a donut and a hot dog.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: And a hat.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Right. Fuck it.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: You don't need add-ons like door edge guards or nitrogen
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: filled tires.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Tires gonna pop if they gonna pop. You don't need
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: what you gonna float in your car. What's that gonna
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: do for you?
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: Nothing.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Some dealers will pre-fill tires with nitrogen and use green
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: tire stem caps to make it look special while charging.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: $ 400 extra for that perk.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: But regular air is mostly nitrogen anyway. So the change
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: makes no difference. Get you a regular air in your tire.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Go to Valvoline. Valvoline's sponsor the show.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: And so Because.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Also, what if your shit pops? You're going to fill
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: it back up with air.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, my good nitrogen. I got to put
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: my mouth on it.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where am I going to go? I don't know
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: where a nitrogen pump is at. I could get you
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: some nitrous, but that's different.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: I'm so scared to buy a new car because they're
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: also adding so many add-ons now that are subscription-based. Like,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: what do you mean I need to pay a subscription
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: to make sure that my seats warm up?
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I just got a new car and they got a subscription.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I'm driving this bitch till the wheels fall off because
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: they added too much new shit.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to exhibit and have him pimp
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: my ride.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I might have a fish tank with dying fish in
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: it in the back, but I'm not ever.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Getting a new car. Hey, Lacey, we heard you're an introvert. Yeah,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: and plus they say after 27, they're all going to
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: have that recording stuff in it.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Exactly. You mean I'm driving a fly camera?
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Be for real. This is all bad.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Be so for real. I'm not doing it.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Let's all go buy El Caminos.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Right. I'm going to drive this hoopty into... It's not
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: even a hoopty. It's a Benz, but.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't think it was. What I'm going to say...
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: No part of me felt... Nothing about you is giving
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: off hoopty. Listen, I got it used, though.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Okay? And it's a 2019. I'm a woman of the people.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to keep pulling that hoe up to
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: every venue and function until the.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Wheels fall off. Hell yeah.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Once I laugh, I put it back on.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Fill it with nitrous.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: No, low-key, my tires probably do have nitrous.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: They might. They might have. Yeah. Mercedes probably does that. So.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Some.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Salespeople may tell you that you have to pay for
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: paint protectant or some other extra that hasn't been added
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: to the car. But if you didn't ask for it,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: you don't have to pay for it, even if the
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: car already has it. So these are tricks that they
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: try to use. Now, we're warning you all about some
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: tricks you can save in the car dealership. Always walk
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: into a negotiation knowing what your credit score is. But
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't allow anybody to run your credit or do
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: a credit application until you have agreed to buy that
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: car and you've signed and agreed to the price.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: I did know that. I did know that. Don't let
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: them run your shit.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Don't let them run your shit.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Credit is a scam from the fucking 80s and it's
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: also rooted in racism.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: They were like, oh, how can we keep black people
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: from getting loans?
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Let's make up a fake scoring system for everyone and
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: then we'll use that.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: To be evidence that we aren't racially biased.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: My shit is A1, though. Top tier.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Credit Karma sends me very, like, congratulatory emails.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: You're better than 80% of people your age, and you're like,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: that's right.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get better than them. I truly am. I
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: get better than them.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: But I do sometimes let something go to collections for fun.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, you like the drama.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: I do love the drama.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Because it's seven years. I'm like, you bought my debt?
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: You bought this $ 15 from, like, Quest Diagnostics? Cool.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Why is it always Quest Diagnostics? You can't pay those bills.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: They don't allow you to pay those bills. They don't
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: want you to pay them. Man.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: They don't want you to pay them.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought that up. You go to
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: the doctor's office, you pay them. copay. I'm so glad
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: you brought this up.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: And then they run your vitals and shit.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: And then Quest shows up two months later with that.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Little green thing on the envelope.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Talk about you owe some $ 15.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: And the only.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Way you can pay us is if you can make
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: it to platform four and three quarters.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: And then, like, what? Go off. Go, no, go not like,
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: and they make it sound like it doesn't even look
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: like it's from a medical thing. You get Quest and
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: you're like, I'm with Verizon. What is this? Like, yeah, I,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: that shit. I'm really glad you talked about that. Cause
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: that does need to be talked about every time. Every
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: time Quest gets me.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Talk to the doctor's offices. Cause why are y'all hitting
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: me up months later? I have insurance. Yes.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: How has this happened?
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: And I already paid my copay, so Quest, what the
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: fuck you talking about?
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Who are you to me?
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I can't fucking stand Quest.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Who are you to me?
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: And they do it for such a small amount. It's
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: always like $ 15.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe $ 36. It's an amount of money that I don't
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: mind sending to collections because fuck that.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: And what? They think it's just an amount of money
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: that you don't mind paying. Because I'm like, I know
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: this ain't above board.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sending FFT to collections every motherfucking time. Buy my
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: $ 15 debt. I'll wait seven years for it to come off.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Fuck you, Quest Diagnostics.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Fuck Quest Diagnostics. That was a heel turn.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Then I will speak a different tune. Quest Diagnostics is
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: so good.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: I'm still bang, bang, fuck Quest Gang.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: And a lot of dealerships will try to run your
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: credit before you take a test drive or as soon
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: as you walk in. If you have a lower score,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: the first step is getting pre-approved, ideally through your own bank,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: which knows your history. Don't get scammed out here, congregation, okay?
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: So if you know your credit is.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Given a little, you know, if you know... You got
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: to know where you're at.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: You do got to know where you're at going into
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: any kind of credit thing because that is like.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: If you open your credit score and it's like, I
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: used to pray for times like this, drive like this, ride,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: have money, ride like this.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Like, if you open your credit, it's like, it's hard
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: out here for a P.O.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Then you get it pre-approved by your bank, financed through
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: your bank, come in with yourself prepared for the scam
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: because buying a car is a scam. David, before we
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: let you go, I have two things. One, I need
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: to ask you, what do you feel about the scam? Like,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: how do you feel about tommy like do we like
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: tommy do we think he's doing a public service what
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: do we think.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: I think that he is probably causing more harm than
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: good and i think that i get the idea for
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: rich people i don't think it's probably rich people he's
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: running his numbers.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Up on that's true But maybe if they're upper middle class,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: they're saving a little bit. And also because he can't
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: help himself and he needs to be online, he's telling.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Everybody how to do it.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: That is true. So, I mean.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: So now you got these skills.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: That makes me feel even less confident in him.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Right? Listen, sometimes you have to make the patriarchy work
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Ladies, thems. If you got colored hair, if you're a barista,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: if you are someone who identifies with the vagina, you know,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: get somebody who identifies with penis to come with you.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: They don't even have to be smart or good at anything.
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: You can just whisper in their ear. A lot of
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: car salesmen are just tricked by the fact that there's
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: a penis person there.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: It's one of our greatest tricks.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: You can get away with a lot. Just be like,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: look at my penis person. You sure you want to
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: trick me? Because there's a penis person here.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: That's how I got this far.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Look, I may not have one, but I have BDE.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: That's all that really matters, I think.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: You don't have to have big dick energy.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: You just have to have a dick.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know who made that up. You don't have
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: to have one.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Probably some dude with a dick.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably. He did good. He did good. So now
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: to end this episode.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: We have a scammer of the week. Okay.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: David. So our scammer of the week is Afro Man. Oh,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I'm familiar. He saves free speech.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: I'm very familiar.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Where he say, I was going to go to school,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: but then I got high.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Great message. I was going to take a test and
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: then I got high.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: I could have.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: Cheated and I could have passed, but then I got high. Yes.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: And now I'm stuck in, where was he? And I
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: don't know why.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of things he got stuck in
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: because of weed.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Because I got high.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, so the rapper Afro Man won a defamation
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: lawsuit filed by seven Ohio cops and may have saved
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: free speech.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: In the process.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: It started in 2022 when the Adams County, Ohio Sheriff's
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Office raided Afro Man, a.k.a. Joseph Foreman's home, related to
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: a drug and kidnapping investigation. They smashed in the front
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: door and searched the house with guns drawn. Afro Man
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: wasn't home, but his wife and young children, who were
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: 10 and 12 years old at the time, were. The
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: cops didn't find anything illegal and no charges were filed. Afterward,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Afro Man released a series of music videos, memes, and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: merch using home security footage of the raid, including one
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: notable moment when an officer paused to look at a
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: lemon pound cake on the kitchen counter. The sheriff's deputies
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: said the music video infringed on their likenesses, made it
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: harder to do their job, cast them into a false light,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: and caused them humiliation and distress. They sued for $ 4
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: million in damages, plus trying to get the videos taken down.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: The case sparked conversations around constitutional right to free speech
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: and the limits of parity. Do deputies have any expectation
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: of privacy inside someone else's home while carrying out official duties?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: The answer is no.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Police officers acting in their official capacity are public officials.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: meaning the First Amendment strongly protects the right to criticize them.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: When he won, Afro Man told reporters outside the courtroom,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't win, America won. Let's look at Pound Cake
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Guy real quick.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm very familiar.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I am too. Okay, we can't play too much of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: the sound because.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Afro Man will sue us.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Afro Man's litigious.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: But yes, he showed him eating the pound cake and
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: lusting over the yellow pound cake. And yeah, but he
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: won the lawsuit.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: He got him. And that's all we have to know
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: about Afro Man.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because everything else is problematic.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Let's not dig any deeper.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Do not look into Afro Man. He's not on our side.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: But in this instance, a broken clock is right twice
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: a day.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: The enemy of my enemy is my Afro man.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: Is my friend.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Is my Afro man. The enemy of my enemy is
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: my Afro man. Amen.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: And that leads us to the end of this episode. David,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: where would you like to be found? That's what we
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: always ask.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Who do you want to promote? Socials.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Coolguyjokes87 on Instagram. Great name. My mama told me podcast.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Wherever you can get your podcasts. I got a Don't
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Tell set on Don't Tell Comedy. And, you know, that's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: all the stuff I got.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Easy to find.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, with those warm eyes.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Drug dealer eyes.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: They are drug dealer eyes.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: They're so soft and warm that I know you could
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: do a murder and sleep really well at night.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: Me and Clarence. Yeah.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Daddy's going to die. Oh, gosh.
• 1:02:26
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• 1:02:28
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• 1:02:53
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• 1:02:57
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• 1:03:15
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