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- 0:01Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
- 0:08season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
- 0:15to it on radio train topic. Our President would have been born in Argentina,
- 0:25Dr Raviero Mirey was the President hello. To all there is no stabilization
- 0:41plan, not good, but the delay to change. There' s a
- 0:45problem with currency exchange here. It is impossible to achieve the zero deficit in
- 0:49the twenty- four thousand. Good. It' s very little speck.
- 0:54Raya is a lot of equator, but you' re not liberal. There
- 0:58were taxes how about the province not, but if I add one plus three
- 1:03hundred sixty- five times and give me three sixty s I can' t
- 1:07last that. If there' s no video and there' s no one
- 1:08who invited me to be a federo day, yoco, cotuco noodle. You
- 1:11want to know how the economy is going to grow, it' s going
- 1:15to go up like fart bus. But there is no good clade, because
- 1:17there is no comprehensive plan. But you should set the path. This is
- 1:22not a liberal government because it did not release the drug. Not because there
- 1:26' s a changed appreciation. I have changed appreciation, but be free expensive.
- 1:29Jocasta ready this financial tension. Miley gathered all the ministers and Luis Caputo
- 1:40sought Cortomá to show himself in control of the situation. Donald Blue one four
- 1:46hundred and twenty- five goes up one forty- two. The same country
- 1:49rises almost four points, which is four percent. Forgiveness is at a thousand
- 1:53five hundred seventy points counted with liky thousand four hundred twenty me thousand four twenty
- 1:59how such a task bubo a way to it And beyond these data of terror
- 2:02in financial economic matters, I am cool with the long poverty above the twenty
- 2:07- five, fifty- five percent, an increasing unemployment close to eight beyond
- 2:14the economic, financial model of the timba, which is what is a little,
- 2:17the Miley to model touches point. I would say sooner rather than later,
- 2:23at some point, much of society. Today, perhaps recently half society
- 2:28is going to notice and perhaps at a distance with a little, the passage
- 2:30of time, the dark times that we have to live with this President liber
- 2:36faccio, who the truth tires every day for his aggressions, his hatreds,
- 2:42the use of networks. I' m attacking serious colleague like Mario Donnell,
- 2:47looking for confin news hatred with which he says that the one who in his
- 2:52government has earned the real salary will win the retirees. It' s the
- 2:54retirements where he composes News all the time. We got him a friend of
- 2:59his. This alpiste in Spain. It' s to the right of Milaybox
- 3:05' s friends, because they' re other rights. I' m sorry
- 3:07Luis Luis Pérez, I' m following him on the telegram to watch cometall
- 3:10of News crazy. But at some point, I think society makes it half
- 3:14society, but most of society. This will be sooner than later. Probably
- 3:19from a budding economic failure. I' m going to account for the dark
- 3:23times, the crazy times, the times of hate and madness we live in.
- 3:29We don' t live like this with the Kindners. Yes to a
- 3:30large extent. Yes, there was a six, seven eight frosting colleagues,
- 3:36journalists and whatever from the state there was a way to govern, dividing in
- 3:43two the so- called rift. But Milay' s tops everything. There
- 3:49was fice new Cy at least that the Indeck was tightened to mismeasure, throwing
- 3:53it down. Obviously, poverty, that is, progressism, if it belonged
- 3:55to the room much cannot say now. Beyond that, I say this is
- 4:01the lackey of the dark times that touch us to live, that I repeat.
- 4:08We live in bad times with generism, with macrism. But this is
- 4:12a bit of an end and I repeat, I hope that sooner or later
- 4:18we will be able to realize it. Not half society as happens to a
- 4:20large extent, more less today, but that much of society, beyond a
- 4:25failed economic financial model that we realize the dark and sad hours that we have
- 4:30to live well fourteen five with more than pleasant to see the nation more is
- 4:35obviously just, with the case of this Chinese in Corrientes, unfortunately that there
- 4:41are no more news that surprisingly in nifho goes and the news runs much from
- 4:49behind key evidence in the case loa the prrictos managed to open the cell phone
- 4:53of the audioline. With the Luana case and in Corrientes it was in them
- 4:59and now in advertising the nation plus a singer who supports Palestine in the twenty
- 5:06- six Chroni channel the TV unlocked cell phones key to the investigation loban case
- 5:14obviously six five N. They are feasting on these means, not unstoppable dollar
- 5:17one thousand four twenty- five, official dollar one thousand nine hundred fifty-
- 5:25four to twenty- four, critical media like five N. Because John for
- 5:29the position also obviously makes an operating feast in Grandma' s house says twenty
- 5:31- four and updates well the temperature eighteen gravios six and very pleasant. But
- 5:36tomorrow the cool and in shape and for a few days again mocking and that
- 5:41team rebuild on the road that I will have said Roban with the live cameras,
- 5:45with this unpresentable mocking that adds everything is figurineic in your rower of olcha
- 5:48and habana in a very humble village. The truth is that this is also
- 5:54the Argentina Argentina, the Kinners in Argentina that generates even worse millayes do u
- 6:00Way my friend. Good afternoon, how are you doing? All right,
- 6:02how are you? Well, well, thank you, or you let me
- 6:06know what' s going on on TV. Yes, you have to learn
- 6:10it to luar our god or. Well, when there' s time,
- 6:13we do that review at the beginning of plural construction by the news signals,
- 6:16because all right, good new numbers. We don' t have in quantitative
- 6:20terms. Don' t go through the qualitative analysis. No, yes,
- 6:24the numbers are the same. I don' t see much. We have
- 6:30a population broken in tones, not all law and king lost. I don
- 6:35' t know ten points about those voters. He' s got eighty-
- 6:41five, forty- nine more or less. Yeah, five out of forty
- 6:45and eighty- five. Eighty- five bereber preper. Well fidelity, fifty
- 6:50or forty and I have it more or less at forty- six, forty
- 6:54- seven discharge points and fifty more points in positive. It' s what
- 7:00' s happening or in the last four months. The one who voted for
- 7:06my law. Let' s say because I already finished at the end of
- 7:12June or the end of June newspapers I started the field full exitism by approving
- 7:18the basic law and reporting the lowest inflation level in a long time. I
- 7:26don' t know how to be enough. My read was super excited,
- 7:31so let' s say we' re in oppinists about the future, while
- 7:36everyone else is also pesinistic about the future. We have a surprise. I
- 7:41don' t see much new in that point of view. Yes, let
- 7:46' s say some specific topics, for example, the subject of what happened
- 7:51in human capital. We want to go evaluate. I would say it is
- 7:58clear that the management is very bad more, the one who voted to my
- 8:03law thinks it is a problem of management incapacity. The one you all think
- 8:07is a fact of corruption. That is, perceptions are similar, the reasons
- 8:13are different. We' re not going on. Let' s say with
- 8:22forty percent of the population who believe that the economic plan is going to be
- 8:24a living another forty that is not going to be rich, that generates the
- 8:31poor, that is, nothing. We have a population that continues to be
- 8:35polarized and a dispersed opposition operates that does not succeed in generating any time of
- 8:45empathy with which the basic reasoning of the voter of my law is the valuable
- 8:50effort in the penalty of what goes well and the blame is on the previous
- 8:54government. That logic with continue. Now there is a long way to go
- 9:01for the next legislative piece of wool. You even get to knot by step
- 9:01or talk about how reasonable it is that I oppose or understand it with the
- 9:07milake and lime bomb that fell and did it. President, the opposition remains
- 9:11dispersed. Well, the problem is I see several issues in favor of government.
- 9:18As far as I' m concerned, I' m going to impale
- 9:20it for the position. I have the barbarian diego, because let' s
- 9:24start with Peronism. Peronism hasn' t swung yet. Why he lost.
- 9:31He understood very well the new demands of the newly- Christine society. Sunday
- 9:37' s report realized one of the truths of Peronism, that every Argentine must
- 9:45produce the minimum he consumes. I don' t know if that' s
- 9:54a self- criticism in front of the social plan festival. No, but
- 9:58let' s say it' s like I think we' re wrong about
- 10:03the things we did. And good and the stand sanson for that, but
- 10:09the teronism cha, but let us tell you things we were saying before.
- 10:15If that' s a good start, that may constitute it. Now we
- 10:20see that the river continues in triquis and all and maximum by larger High Moon
- 10:26State together. But that maximum doesn' t go up and he' s
- 10:31the president of the pescota. You didn' t want to talk first,
- 10:33and then you didn' t even want to raise the box. Yeah,
- 10:35sure, so that' s a so then it seems to me that there
- 10:39' s already the champagne. Let' s say thinking that there has to
- 10:43be more ca and more ca and more ca, and there are others who
- 10:48think that we have to have openness. Not then, but nism needs time
- 10:54to not constitute on the side of radicalism. We see that there is also
- 11:00arroro smell b eledicanism, for which one straight clear goes for another. There
- 11:05' s another mess in the test. We are intervening that the MAC that
- 11:09is trying to resume its leadership and let' s see how the confrontation with
- 11:16Patricia Burles ends. He, but he started to warn is not well on
- 11:20course, but this is management. So all that generates from the point of
- 11:28view of public opinion. They can' t give a reference. What reference?
- 11:35Now think about what the electoral process will be like next year. We
- 11:39don' t know how much the dollar goes to as well. It'
- 11:43s a complicated mess today. Well, either that or live a little bit
- 11:46to see. The economic agents are clear reacting to the markets that to have
- 11:50the favor of Miley oy seem quite the opposite. For now, in the
- 11:52photos of the moment, how he plays in the Sudano on foot this is
- 11:56that he starts talking in the media that he sees that I think the one
- 12:00I shoot whenever he raises the blue more as it is delayed. I had
- 12:03climbed the first few months of Miliye because and I say nothing there is some
- 12:09room moved to Sudano this feeling of some economic agents that this is complicated,
- 12:13that the second stage is less clear than the blues rises than the country risk.
- 12:16Also how much Doña Rosa is honoring someone who doesn' t deserve much
- 12:20threat. But, well, as a warrior, Neusta comes to you.
- 12:22From this begins to arrive and the dollar continues to rise or stays at this
- 12:30price level and there is one in this if in the price and that then
- 12:35so passes prices. Obviously, General gun that' s a two- day
- 12:43topic, it' s not going to happen. It' s a good
- 12:46topic for two days, which means we' ve spent the two days long
- 12:48and it' s gone up vast. We see it' s okay.
- 12:50We' re seeing that it' s also moving at prices. With the
- 12:54miciadura that there is, with the economic depression, seems difficult the difference other
- 12:56times at this time of the blue clear, well, but we read and
- 13:01good German conveys the appreciation, because the locity. So, if that'
- 13:07s the price or if people are half out of control, it' s
- 13:13interesting. Interesting the statements of this one who is as warning czechprijo, because
- 13:22the scene is so interesting today' s reality, because he is telling you
- 13:26remember Meden. It cost him a lot first had the people say it that
- 13:31way, but it' s like you first your baboon a gibbon, then
- 13:35your guama and just after the third conmingo you beat the third not like saying.
- 13:41I don' t know what he' s saying and he' s
- 13:43saying. Well already the dollar for one thousand four hundred. Markets aren'
- 13:46t warning us. The markets have drawn attention to us in the last two
- 13:50weeks. Disco is exactly a part of it, but it' s striking
- 13:54that he' s saying the dollar as much as a thousand four hundred as
- 13:56he' s laying the floor. Not then, yes, if all this
- 14:01creates a whole sense of insecurity that things aren' t so good with him,
- 14:07time can be a period. The subject is very simple, let'
- 14:16s say the Donia Rosa, who voted to look there at the thing that
- 14:20voted for me there. He needs to keep the hope that the effort makes
- 14:26sense. The problem that begins to speak that the effort that has made now
- 14:33what is this moment makes no sense is very difficult to say if the government
- 14:37does not know two months we start that there are problems with the bonds,
- 14:43that certainly the country can of source, etcetera, etcetera. Well to State
- 14:50the world. Yes, yes, the question is not easy, but by
- 14:54adding to that scenario still what I was talking to a colleague of yours,
- 15:00no, and well, the question of starting over would be hard. What
- 15:01it would be like to return to Tonia Rosa, not to start again with
- 15:05Tonia Rosas, the shuffle And now there will be no devaluation, even if
- 15:09it is low, but nothing goes up change of Minister of Economy, that
- 15:13is to say to start again of suso work. I think it' s
- 15:16like you say per that you just said. If we raise the stocks,
- 15:22it goes at prices. That' s a fresh start. There I think
- 15:26we start with the government and the problem begins. It starts with trouble,
- 15:33because then let' s say we' re going back to the cyc lo,
- 15:41that we started back to the sacrifice the story it has. That'
- 15:41s how things start if it' s possible for them to get complicated now.
- 15:46From the other point of view, you have to think about the current
- 15:52situation to see the elections next year are local, they are national, in
- 15:56a sense that the government of iragout in my candidates, but in each province
- 16:00there is the candidate of governor. Not to see if they dated I don
- 16:10' t know with freedom progresses. They put their own candidate now if you
- 16:15make numbers. In today' s situation we have to think. Freedom progresses
- 16:21had drawn more or less 27 points from the legislator to national deputies in the
- 16:27next twenty interests Repeating first well, there is ra very high. Repeating that
- 16:33doubles what' s coming now. Peronism, in order to remain a first
- 16:37minority, needs to get thirty- five points of vote out of two thousand
- 16:42twenty- one. So you give and there' s why I say and
- 16:52then, if my tari is firm, let' s say they' re
- 16:56going to radicals say, to see people for whom you say night I go
- 17:00for the other see clearly and if it goes wrong, they' re going
- 17:04to take refuge again in radicalism and in the day. I mean, a
- 17:06lot depends on the papers is not forced. I' m committing the government
- 17:10to you. That' s why it' s very difficult to think next
- 17:15year, end of years don' t talk and I don' t know
- 17:21that electoral scenario next year. So it' s one figure like the sturzene
- 17:23one i like the Sturzenegro, which we think is harder, even harder,
- 17:27more dogmatic, more prey dog, has its tour. Cool we' re
- 17:33only fictional here, but let' s see the government has a super-
- 17:41deficit fiscal, lying fiscal because it doesn' t pay me the energy in
- 17:49the river of imports and backward tars. It is a policy of laundering or
- 17:53updating it. All that is due immediately. Your implation process is fine,
- 18:00but it' s true. It is true that it has not been issued
- 18:03practically, I do not say it goes to buy pains the plant and so
- 18:06on, but the mission has gone down a lot. Not apparent. I
- 18:08don' t know. What I have read is that there is a recognition
- 18:11of the government that now, overcoming us we stop broadcasting and if we find
- 18:18ourselves last Friday zero no yes, we find last Friday with which the capoint
- 18:23said well, now we will stop broadcasting. Then what are we talking about?
- 18:30Those are all the things that have also confused the market and the horrible.
- 18:33From an opinion, it' s not that they haven' t issued.
- 18:38Yeah, well, they' ve issued the Central. For starters it
- 18:45emits to buy from exporters and other slow good. Then you also have to
- 18:51pay more deude. Now it' s what you' re afraid of,
- 18:55how much the treasure emits, let' s say if it' s issued
- 18:57and how much, which isn' t the central, no, no,
- 19:03what it would be now to the banks, and so on, the treasure
- 19:03would be issued, not the Central. What happens is that that' s
- 19:03part of the run we' re living in, that the banks find a
- 19:10more fragile debtor like the treasure. As for the central, yes, well,
- 19:12not yet. I don' t think the cups haven' t changed
- 19:17the benches of feeling that they haven' t yet. No. I read
- 19:19some news that I was with some people because of a fairly risky topic they
- 19:22had raised them? Some of them had gone up? The active tax,
- 19:26that is to say to the consumer, to the customer may not axis.
- 19:30No. No. No. No. No, not the passive one that
- 19:33gave me a fixed term, but the active one that gives me a loan
- 19:36or credit card. It' s easier. On the card. It'
- 19:41s not possible. That but well and I say we' re living moments.
- 19:45Okay. But the ta question was not black torse cabinet. If tomorrow
- 19:49Sturzeneger ends up replacing caputo, I mean to see uguaime the exit is by
- 19:55more orthodoxy and half more market mentalism Contrumeley that has become more pragmatic of Congress
- 20:02and everything else. This good man, the President, does not run well
- 20:10from getting even more complicated with a more market outlet, that is, seeing
- 20:14caputo. I don' t like it, but it' s true that
- 20:15it' s more political. He' s got a waist, he'
- 20:18s got a certain bruised wrist, the whole feeling that he is, because
- 20:26let' s see how good it is to be able to lift everything back
- 20:26to the inflationary process. That' s clear. The issue is what is
- 20:30the calculation of what they do with this saying good this year we suffer next
- 20:36year, we grow and pass the second semester. How so macrial the first
- 20:41semester child, but now it is in question how we spend the second semester
- 20:47and no longer only in terms of activity, but in terms of all this
- 20:51in the financial festival that is over for now, let' s say,
- 20:53but it is clear that things were all this given is depending on how many,
- 21:00how much frustration or not generated in public opinion the idea of sacrifice in
- 21:07his own voters has worked for him. The question is at what point people
- 21:14are disappointed. It' s impossible to know them because of the polls and
- 21:23the beginning of next year. I find it difficult now in Argentinas to change
- 21:29very quickly. No, yes, yes, yes, yes, well,
- 21:33because all this is not foreseen. That' s what the dollar is all
- 21:37about. If you can play on you' re watching. You' re
- 21:41losing me. Hey, hey, hey, yeah, if you hear me
- 21:45Hey, hey, hey, I don' t know what' s going
- 21:49on. Hey, yeah, listen to me, well, it looks like
- 21:55it' s you losing there' s hello to see you, listen to
- 21:59me there, well, if we don' t let you in the moment
- 22:03say goodbye I won' t say goodbye by private line. We' re
- 22:07ending up the same way. Well, if you' re listening to a
- 22:08hug, we' re closing. But good. Now, if you listen
- 22:11to me no, well, we leave Juan Cortal, there we go.
- 22:15Greeting me by private line. Well, the panorama with the look of political
- 22:21consultation uguay ma yor reitero is if this has a way out in the short
- 22:26medium Vias turcene of major, orthodox herbía, because fuck is the one that
- 22:29I don' t like. It' s a squirt, but it'
- 22:30s got a waist. Kick the gas boost for such a fuel thing.
- 22:33It works, he' s a furious market fundamentalist and says a granddaughter all
- 22:37ahead that can generate, as he says major. That' s why it
- 22:42' s a flancionary and I think market fundamentalism is what can make Miley sink,
- 22:47but we' ll see if I' m answering right now or we
- 22:53' re on the air if I apologize, but we' re still finishing,
- 22:56so thank you, but we' re following it another time. Okay
- 23:00there I make air and whatsapp at the same time. Well, let'
- 23:03s see what other facts of the day. As it is all quiet here
- 23:07as that reality to deal with other things. My law and in the morning
- 23:12I carried not only against Mario Doni and the other serious colleagues, but I
- 23:17was a perfect idiot, I spoke about lula of the situation in Bolivia.
- 23:22We have no foreign relations, and this guy goes out to this government to
- 23:29get into the uprising that happened to us in Bolivia. It' s amazing,
- 23:32it' s awesome. It' s not one. Today Calperin came
- 23:36back also talking about the honeys of capitalism, as if one could not be
- 23:40a journalist, or what it is to have a relatively good pass. If
- 23:41he does it honestly, Silva does it honestly. I' m a journalist,
- 23:45I have a good time because I' m a squirt. Of course,
- 23:48it' s another thing he does honestly. What is the problem of
- 23:52criticizing each other or living a capitalist regime? Well it makes me remember the
- 23:57BISP planning because free market come out lots of creativity, value adding value,
- 24:04nobody can last that side. It' s time for the cups they charge.
- 24:07He wants to take out a loan to pay some fees with the free
- 24:11- marking card, but I say he continues to receive subsidies for the knowledge
- 24:14economy and more gets subsidies when he is the main company in the country and
- 24:18a major Latin America. So I plan VIP Galperis good. I had recently
- 24:21written on Twitter, when it came to the topic of the go is what
- 24:23people who vote against a law that, after being passed, raises the bonds,
- 24:27goes down to risk, country, falls the dollar, raises the shares.
- 24:30At some point they will rethink that their ideas are bad for the country.
- 24:34Okay. That' s what you said recently. The glider is good
- 24:40Galperi. There we have it is not a hard face to the Perin,
- 24:44that business caste. Let' s say it' s scary and it makes
- 24:48Argentina very, very bad. All right, let' s go to the
- 24:55break. Then in a little while we have a dialogue with a Waime.
- 24:59If we had the right sane way over there to stop the blow, I
- 25:00don' t know if it' s going to be hit by the hurricane.
- 25:06So we' ll see what happens? So we' ll see what
- 25:11happens? On Thursday we will again be closed by Alejandro Rosman and Julio Gambina.
- 25:18Tomorrow we are with Pablo rom and see if with some economist in case
- 25:22you fail like Barrio I because you are arriving the hurricane and Central America and
- 25:27to the south of America, to the north, we will see what happens.
- 25:30Good to the pause. So with Juan Ante what you can always have
- 25:33air much more to preproduction. We' re going to the pause and after
- 25:38that we' re in a cedito dialogue for Zoo with Don Daniel Kipper of
- 25:45the judicial applications of the case. Loan that already has political implications, because
- 25:48last night they were demonstrating in the residence of the governor of Corrientes the aliancista
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- 26:53it with family and friends. Plural construction led by Fernando Mauri by Radio thirty
- 27:06pic Ben to which we are reading as always, messages this of Feynus,
- 27:11from the President with the real salary earning I read the retirees to see there
- 27:21read a in favor of them. It was nothing else I was looking for.
- 27:23I found one to see defend my law so well. My law said
- 27:27embrace fifty- six percent of Miley retweeted a Twitter user the risk country grabbed
- 27:32two thousand nine hundred. They can never criticize us for having a thousand five
- 27:36hundred good, since they made one thousand six hundred. Such Alberto devalued one
- 27:37hundred and sixty percent the peso against the dollar in his first year with a
- 27:41thousand and devalued ten. And all the mass guilt ten wasn' t valoned
- 27:47as ten if when he grabbed the government he devalued the one hundred and thirteen
- 27:52percent. And well the libertarian oblivions that generate Faye News the truth that are
- 28:00extremely pathetic. We toured if UAIME thanked us for the covers of the newspapers
- 28:04or the tapas for the afternoon, the news signals so far averaging the afternoon.
- 28:08Now I' m going with Infobae. As the start in financial advice
- 28:11told thousands meeting supplies Cat liked to show up in control of the situation.
- 28:15Hahaja add. I adore the free containment sub of one thousand four hundred sale
- 28:19and five in another new maximum continues the quality of bonds and risk to approach
- 28:22the one thousand six hundred. Today a statement of box adorn we do not
- 28:27take a step back, not even to take impulse which male adorns the impressive
- 28:33truth. That had already minimized the effect. Blue' s go- up
- 28:41effect. As is every government, any goga does not have rc BLUE.
- 28:45They say no before I read it was the issue of caste, that Congress
- 28:48can no longer say it is caste because it has the approval of the lawvas
- 28:51then good Pitch is a califilaria of risk and shouted that the government must lift
- 28:56the stocks and sustain the adjustment to change the mood of the investors. Nor
- 29:00did we read the government' s response again, the Adorno Spokesman Forgive me
- 29:03apologized to Dorni for the hard report of the pro signed by Macri This is
- 29:11a foundation of macrism. Yesterday the government was a bad announcement. He secured
- 29:14an economic adviser to my law. It is Autocotorno, who is the head
- 29:18chronicler of the consultant of our interviewee here so much and a few days ago,
- 29:22Orlando Barrere, who is the owner of Ferreras associated a weak data collection.
- 29:26He added to the bad start of the risk semester. The superstar of
- 29:29prosecutor wonders in fobae Netherlands beats Romanian and in a duel for the pass to
- 29:33fourth the end of the Eurocup. I' m telling you, don'
- 29:37t get mad. I' m more interested in the Eurocup than the America
- 29:37Cup. I felt that the account of the passengers who landed emergency in Brazil
- 29:42was dying because of turbulence if I was to land in northern Brazil and a
- 29:47plane from Europe that made the route. If I' m wrong in Madrid,
- 29:51Montevideo, well, I' ll go over others. I' m
- 29:52going to the nation to see, see, see what the nation tells me.
- 29:56Let' s see what sestor says in his hon And after being the
- 30:00montever friend who has us to say this Agustín Monteverde on Twitter, I would
- 30:08like to know what Agustín Monteoret says that our collaborator of these hours is saying
- 30:14to the gidas for the government matía de marka have rejected the ads the blue
- 30:18and the financiers are going up again to break nominal reco. Says the nation
- 30:21for killing her boyfriend in court. He left me the sentence to life imprisonment
- 30:25for Nagrega Arza jump in the tone to the parallel. The Government rejected criticism
- 30:27of the change policy and requests for evaluation. The market was expecting again the
- 30:32potorno an economic advisor to Miley criticized the conference of Caputo and Bauxli and linked
- 30:36it to the fall of bonds. It' s the same aponorno that either
- 30:40meant or didn' t mean it had to see a second stage east because
- 30:52Capunto was half finished. No one tells me you give ball to the trolls,
- 30:56those who say ten percent raised the dollar and forgets thirty- three.
- 31:04Well, I would belong to someone who tells me that, Fernando You know
- 31:08I retweet him Don' t look at my law. My law is the
- 31:14one who retweets that. So, when they tell me that and I'
- 31:18m saying it the add- on, when they tell me that it gives
- 31:22ball to the trolls, anyone says yes. The problem is that I restore
- 31:23it to my law and I' m commenting here on the air right now
- 31:27in plural construction. Obviously, Miley just the Central Bank with negative sun servas.
- 31:32There' s no doubt about it. Well, yeah, while I
- 31:37wait for Danerkipper to talk a little bit about the case. Loan' s
- 31:38warning me. Obviously, answer it. I' m going to clarín,
- 31:44see, I' m not going to twitter, see, I' m
- 31:45going to enter you go, to see economists close to the government. As
- 31:49our Coberbor Agustín Montegores, I want to see what interpretation he is doing.
- 31:55I look for him Agustín Monteverde this moment to see the look, the look
- 32:00of the official rush, not to see now that it is Monteverde. There
- 32:10' s a combination of narrowing resentment interests, well people, that the pyrites
- 32:19of liberal economists play the game, that generate the problem and are in the
- 32:22shadows casting for everything to collapse. There' s a combination of petrifying resentment
- 32:30of interests, says Monteverde. It' s the problems the government has.
- 32:34Not to see, you' re right, Monteverde, it puts you in
- 32:51context, a twitter. Let' s be patient. What goes out of
- 32:52time ends badly. When the gaps mature, when the brevas mature, we
- 32:58eat them, decorn them. Esadea how right he was, so good.
- 33:07That' s a little bit. The look of Agustín Monteverde. I was
- 33:10interested in seeing an interview with a guy in the morning. Let' s
- 33:13see if we can talk to tomorrow or, in any case, the day
- 33:16after tomorrow here in plural construction. I' m gonna write Kipper over here
- 33:22for Whatsapp. True journalism. Now let' s go, Daniel Ponel,
- 33:30and we' re still like this. It' s journalism. So we
- 33:30manage ourselves in the air day, the time where life is a great whatsapp.
- 33:35Let' s see, I' m commenting a little bit more on
- 33:37reality when what I was doing was seeing the twit Agustín Monteverde, if it
- 33:40wasn' t clear, but it doesn' t talk much about today.
- 33:42In the last few twitch to see, I' ve already talked about the
- 33:46Viplprín glide. The government has been trying to lower the devotion, I say
- 33:52all over two years. I didn' t say that if I idiotize for
- 33:55tiktok I will be able to vote, because a lot the government looks at
- 34:00and we owe it to the youth who doesn' t look at anything and
- 34:05who does this I say working boys or boys like my nephews from neighborhoods,
- 34:07barium north of area, north of San Isidroa and so on. Lene a
- 34:08title, create a fee news. Reallo' s brain increased. They believe
- 34:12it, we regret it, the retirees, we publish it in dollars.
- 34:15Well, they do. I say. The government' s project to eliminate
- 34:17space and have children of such a young age as this will have to do
- 34:22with this to consummate more adept, because in a thousand it is banked empowered
- 34:29by the educated and nustroid youth no matter, but I say it is for
- 34:32the youth of the networks and this is the worrying thing to see. Well,
- 34:37in France, the mission is to have the far right. We'
- 34:38ll see if it' s done It' s hard. This call for
- 34:40macon was quite controversially and strategically probably wrong. We' ll see Sunday is
- 34:46France' s second round of elections. Mile Hey not traveling to the Summit
- 34:50of Asunción, the Summit of Morco Zur, but traveling weekend to Fol A
- 34:53canború for a birthday of the bags fachos of those on the right. It
- 34:58' s incredible, really, without politics that I believed by messing with the
- 35:00uprising in Bolivia, talking about it being a car blow. The truth is
- 35:05that the government is a disaster. Everything surpasses the previous disaster and the previous
- 35:08one, that of Alberto, that of Macrian, of Cristina to everyone deepens,
- 35:13but the relationship has no names. Well, I' ve got it
- 35:16online from Don Daniel Keeper. Let' s talk about the loan case,
- 35:20but strictly from the legal standpoint how I' m going to ask a personal
- 35:22question that I was going to ask Daniel out of context, initially Daniel,
- 35:27my friend, Good afternoon, how he' s doing. Daniel' s
- 35:30there, yeah, he' s mutated, I think he' s not.
- 35:32Good afternoon, parna, there it is. Good afternoon, how to
- 35:36walk? Okay, well, let' s face it out of the media,
- 35:42which gives me a lot of rating and the truth that repudiates the media
- 35:45that takes notice of this police guy even though he' s already beginning to
- 35:50have a political face from the governor' s game. What yesterday was the
- 35:53vice president had maninifestation against the governor Valdez de Corrientes of the game itself.
- 35:59Figure this out and one more pathetic Patricia Bulrich. We' re going to
- 36:02analyze the judicial now before that, as a citizen with the data I smoked
- 36:07on Saturday that I was shopping in a supermarket and started getting the alerts for
- 36:12this woman' s statement saying that there was all this, that it was
- 36:15a car accident. Apparently drunk. If beyond that, because we went from
- 36:20lost or fallen somewhere from water to trafficking, you have as before to go
- 36:28to court, as a citizen of the skin, you have some intuition.
- 36:31Let' s say all the things Daniel Kepper says about this case. Let
- 36:37' s say good. Obviously, I don' t like to handle myself
- 36:42by intuition. I don' t know, but good. There and it
- 36:45is clear that I do not know the court case and I do not know
- 36:50the facts. Yes, the journalistic versions, and indeed, after so many
- 36:57days of searching for the child. The aunt' s version seems implausible.
- 37:02But this is still speculation based on some data being reported by the media.
- 37:12Even yesterday a chronicler had shown on cameras instead of roads, where it could
- 37:20be the point of contact between the boy and the truck. It really mozclaba
- 37:25that it was impossible the version that they told to you. But if this
- 37:30version of the aunt is intended to improve the procedural situation of detainees, she
- 37:38has the possible culprits. I would like to question this criterion, because there
- 37:45are various successive behaviours. Let' s imagine there was a car accident at
- 37:55first. So far there' s a behavior that obviously had a little glupusus
- 38:01toe. I doubt that this car accident causes the death of a five-
- 38:10year- old child because of the speed at which he travels in the area,
- 38:17which is a paved dirt road. If one calculates that more than forty
- 38:23kilometers per hour I doubt that they have advanced the blow that now show where
- 38:30they present the truck is to the side, not to the front, with
- 38:37which the child would have received a hit that I do not think would have
- 38:42used it instantly, at least instantaneously. And from here a second behavior is
- 38:46born different from the previous one, always pending speaking the version of the audeli,
- 38:57tending to hide the crime blowing guilty, which is to take the child
- 39:06and bury him. According to this version, and if the child dies later,
- 39:13reasons for burying him. There is a different conduct that must be judged
- 39:16that obviously is a homicide conduct and obviously there was a willingness to bury it.
- 39:27Pain is will. In this sense, two of us are facing an
- 39:32intentional murder and we should analyze whether there is error, venizable or invincible,
- 39:43using the technical terminology and based on that, whether or not the pain is
- 39:50excluded or whether it remains subsisting. Now I' m sorry. There are
- 39:53you with the experience that you have with this criminal matter. There' s
- 39:57an expert opinion. It can determine whether a child can give us any name
- 40:01in the Luan case or a person. Well, Asunino was buried, alive
- 40:05or very serious, but alive and not dead. Let' s say the
- 40:12abtopsias determine the cause of death. The good boy the cause may still be
- 40:17the blow the subject to say grave burial, it would have been buried alive,
- 40:27I would have imagined traces in your lungs of the drowning he suffered from
- 40:35the earth, that he would have entered his cavities, I mean, it
- 40:42seems to me that Abtopa would be revealing this kind of situation. Obviously,
- 40:45you need to find the child first to know if he' s dead,
- 40:52which I question. I mean, I think the child must still be alive,
- 40:58but I' m and I' m hoping and praying for it to
- 41:04happen, to appear alive, and in that case, an octobuse would give
- 41:12us elements to determine this. And if a murder is committed with the intention
- 41:16of concealing another crime and more people come from the drink, it is clear
- 41:23that we are in the presence of a murder even qualified. Therefore, the
- 41:30theory of error should be evaluated in order to be able to say that the
- 41:38procedural situation of potential defendants is improved. Why would it be, how would
- 41:44it be caled homicide we passed on to them, qualified homicide. I'
- 41:45m sorry, Daniel, because he' s either qualified. Murder is qualified
- 41:51when it is to hide another crime, when it comes to the number of
- 41:58people involved and we have apparently in this version three people who would have done
- 42:08this conduct or four the Comisar and if we included the Commissioner allegedly in four
- 42:14the Commissioner after this version, it is not credible, because in truth,
- 42:21if one has the Commissioner on his side and has a car accident, that
- 42:28that crime by post would have been able to quietly leave the child and say
- 42:37we do not know it appeared run over. I would have looked into it
- 42:42with the Commissioner. I wouldn' t have walked anything soxi from Argentina.
- 42:45If only they' d fucked. I agree with Mr Burlando that I must
- 42:53point out the good work he is doing. First, to put the issue
- 43:00in the dimension that needs to be investigated, that the money of people crime,
- 43:08which is very linked worldwide and also in our country, say that,
- 43:13together with the classic narco, it is one of the crimes that most reunites
- 43:19economically and that one from professional experience, warns that many prosecutors and judges are
- 43:27distracted when one takes this type of fact to the judicial sphere. In the
- 43:35case of Corrientes province, statements have been made publicly by neighbors who account for
- 43:40many children who disappear in the province. We know that there are brothels,
- 43:49many girls, particularly, but there are also crimes that affect children under different
- 43:58circumstances. And so what needs to be investigated first is, in my opinion,
- 44:04the money of people and some colleagues of yours say that there is no
- 44:09evidence and I really do not share this idea and try to explain why a
- 44:15series of judicial measures have been taken, that judicial measures can qualify them between
- 44:22those that are valid and those that will eventually be declared their only unit for
- 44:29some reason. Of the measures that are valid, the rake, for example,
- 44:35there is something that is very clearly proven that the child was not lost
- 44:40and that the child was not injured in the area or by an animal or
- 44:45by a car, because there would have been a trace of missing children after
- 44:52so many rake would have been found, would have been found. How much
- 44:57a five- year- old can walk in an area like the one we
- 45:04saw, which is complete to walk a shorter distance and in locals would have
- 45:12found it quickly, had an accident and found his body, and that also
- 45:20did not happen so far. This is proof that someone has deprived the child
- 45:25of his liberty and that this is why we have neither the Oan alive nor
- 45:34his body in cases of death. Okay, but then spés has an appraiser
- 45:40hand. When I asked him at the beginning about his intuition, it seems
- 45:44to me that he clearly deduced that his intuition or his opinion or his gaze
- 45:47with the data that the sinteral that the cause is that this is a clear
- 45:51case of trafficking. So, for me, it' s a clear case
- 45:57of deprivation, of the child' s freedom, and from here if the
- 46:01ends are of exploitation, which I will now explain why I understand that it
- 46:05is. It is clear that this is what should be investigated in our penal
- 46:14code, in article one hundred and forty- five bis it speaks simply for
- 46:21the purpose of exploitation. It does not in any way limit the purposes which
- 46:27the active subject of Sir the perpetrator of the crime may have, if it
- 46:32can be any kind of purpose, if it is linked to the exploitation of
- 46:37the victim, what is meant by exploitation to profit illegitimately from that situation?
- 46:45Then anyone who performs the typical action, i e, capture, transfer,
- 46:52receive, etc, described in article one hundred and forty- five VICS in
- 46:58order to obtain some legitimate benefit. It has the development of the behavior of
- 47:05dealings of people. And here we are clear that the child has disappeared alive
- 47:13or without it. Your body doesn' t show up anywhere. And this
- 47:19gives us the pattern that someone got it, who could have taken it from
- 47:22someone who had it around the place. Here. What is perhaps lacking and
- 47:29in this I want to be prudent, are the evidence of who the authors
- 47:34are. One can imagine being taken away by the people who participated, some
- 47:39of the people who participated in that effort, or someone who was around.
- 47:45It' s a hypothesis that obviously one should consider as well. But if
- 47:51the crime is proven, which are two different things, someone comes into your
- 47:54house, breaks the lock, steals your money and your jewel, it'
- 48:00s proven that there was a rum. Maybe it' s not proven because
- 48:06there are films, they were wearing masks, there are no digital buns,
- 48:09who were the authors. Then I believe that here is tested the silver of
- 48:14people, because other purposes than that of exploitation. It is difficult for a
- 48:21humble family to imagine that there is a different end to gain a benefit.
- 48:28There are some who interpret the purpose of exploitation to be limited to labour exploitation
- 48:36or sexual exploitation. Indeed, it is not what the Penal Code says,
- 48:43nor is it what the law that incorporated that figure into Argentine law says,
- 48:50whose fourth article, if I recall, details various forms of exploitation. But
- 48:57these various forms of exploitation detailed in the law are in turn linked to the
- 49:01Palermo Protocol, which is what was approved by the United Nations in the year
- 49:06two thousand, precisely to prevent this type of ready, and the Palermo Protocol
- 49:12uses the expression minimally as exploitation these cases it lists, so for me it
- 49:19is not a tectative numbering in which the law does in this regard, without
- 49:25prejudice to the fact that the one of Opán was written in a broader way,
- 49:30because in a new number of forms of exploitation of any kind, but
- 49:36that it is encompassing all forms of exploitation and there is an old legal adjunct
- 49:42that, where the law does not distinguish, the interpreter should not do so.
- 49:46That' s why I think there' s evidence of the crime.
- 49:50There would be no proof of the perpetrator and the evidence of the crime.
- 49:57How do you get to discard it, make fun of it, discarding all
- 50:01other possibilities. Here it' s technically called daniel keper tests let' s
- 50:06say well, it does a little wake up everything we rule out. How
- 50:07a five- year- old boy who hasn' t found these mediations,
- 50:15obviously as you are is ruling out that he' s lost and from cartan
- 50:19has eaten an animal ruling out an accident, etcetera, etcetera. This proves
- 50:23that someone took him away from na. We can maybe launch the theory that
- 50:31a flying saucer came in and got to the boy. But, well,
- 50:37this is obviously absurd. Even in that case it would also be proven that
- 50:44someone took him, that someone moved him, that someone has received him,
- 50:50because somewhere he is surely crazy. There' s a Van Dam movie he
- 50:57' s trying to rescue a girl who' s been kidnapped and who makes
- 51:01him do the trafficker' s net because this girl was blonde and they kill
- 51:10another similar girl they burn to silence public opinion if you' re what you
- 51:16do in these kinds of cases. And in addition, violation of the secret
- 51:23of the case file has come up with the Governor' s tweet. In
- 51:28my opinion, the Governor must know that he should not interfere in the judiciary,
- 51:35even if the twitch so said. We' re close to solving.
- 51:37Or you say that' s why you don' t say this, that
- 51:46' s saying I don' t remember the words. Not good. The
- 51:49concept but the idea he conveys is that there are new evidences of which he
- 51:53has knowledge and on that basis they would be discovering what happened with the child.
- 52:02To say this is clearly an interference of one power over another power.
- 52:10He' s got a big case. The big one, as he says
- 52:13a lot, is the case with the local running justice. All right,
- 52:16he' s moved to the feds. When you don' t investigate well,
- 52:24there are basically three reasons. The stage, neglect or complicity. Yes,
- 52:30of course, obviously, I don' t have the elements to say
- 52:37that you act with complicity, but I wouldn' t be surprised. It
- 52:42' s very common in this kind of crime. There is often political protection,
- 52:51police protection and judicial protection, and then interpretations of the absurd facts are
- 53:00made. He thinks he thinks this already involves the outside. The possibility of
- 53:05a border nearby is to cross into Paraguay, i e, the phenomenon deals,
- 53:09for example, in Argentina. It' s hard to think that I
- 53:13don' t know this is a last name that comes from a couple in
- 53:16Catamarca or in the pampa. Not really, this has an end that is
- 53:20fought abroad, usually to Paraguay. In this case, the child was two
- 53:25hours away from Paraguaya and two hours away in Bra Serie, so that even
- 53:30the current judicial process might not have been enough to prevent the child from leaving
- 53:40Argentina, because we all know that there are unofficial steps to arrive in Paraguay
- 53:46to reach Brazil. A lot of merchandise enters our territory through those steps that
- 53:59are not always well controlled. Then the Chico could quietly have been taken to
- 54:07another country within the time the family filed the complaint within five hours of the
- 54:13complaint and was barely two hours away from the border. And this will be
- 54:19the most likely scenario. The outside was already outside. I think it'
- 54:23s the scenario that needs to be investigated and that they' re trying at
- 54:30the moment, to plant evidence for the illicit association behind this kind of organized
- 54:39crime, to divert the investigation there in a van that was in the custody
- 54:51of the chief of police who is detained today for having planted evidence. It
- 54:55' s really going to lead us to whatever their results are, you'
- 55:00re going to discuss your validity. Let' s just imagine that the expertise
- 55:07you get says it' s loban' s blood, that' s a
- 55:10possibility. Let' s discuss whether it' s the result of an accident
- 55:15or not, because calmly these days someone could and put the blood traces for
- 55:25the peni the commissioner of the area put a slipper because he can' t
- 55:31put traces of blood. What kind of typification is this when it' s
- 55:37involved with a direct relative, father uncle, whether I, uncle, contributed
- 55:42to the kidnapping to deal with my nephew. It' s horrible, but
- 55:46I say it' s typified by the toughest family issue criminally this yes,
- 55:52yes. The figure of human trafficking has several aggravating factors, some by the
- 56:00active subject and others by the passive subject. In this case, because it
- 56:07is a child, it corresponds to the highest penal scale of ten to fifteen
- 56:12years, which arises from one hundred and forty- five years, which is
- 56:20the one that establishes the aggravating factors. It' s an important shame.
- 56:22Now, if the child in the accident scenario, if the child dies from
- 56:30subsequent behavior, what difference does it make to abandonment. There' s a
- 56:38car accident, the guy runs over a person, keeps going and leaves and
- 56:44forgets the person. This we can discuss if that does not abandon, because
- 56:50obviously certain characteristics must be given, but let' s say the subject does
- 56:54nothing, he leaves here. On the other hand, in the version that
- 56:59has transcended these days they performed a new conduct different from the previous one,
- 57:07raised him, transferred him and buried him and if the child died for this
- 57:14it was a homicide. Talking about evaluating the mistake that could act it knows,
- 57:20well, but you totally believe this, that I believed enough. Or
- 57:23the truth is, you' re never on the same page. I don
- 57:25' t think they' ve forgiven you in that version, because it'
- 57:35s customary to leave parallel stories, partly to divert, partly to gain time
- 57:40questions of my greatest innocence and to close. Daniel. Auntie, I'
- 57:44m telling you, she' s getting paid for an octa chick. Let
- 57:47' s not even put this one in. I' m saying it'
- 57:50s weird that Auntie' s going out on the bench or something we started
- 57:54off on or reducing to the eventual penalty on other actors. No. The
- 57:57first one was the crime, the dilith of people. It is indeed one
- 58:00of the crimes, rather, one of the oldest behaviours of humanity, which
- 58:05was not always considered a crime and which unfortunately has enormous social tolerance. Let
- 58:15us remember that in the 18th century there was talk of silver in white because
- 58:22if he was a person of color he was authorized in the legal. In
- 58:25fact there were ships going to certain continents, they captured people of color,
- 58:35they carried them to exploit it Labourly in Europe and in America, fundamentally of
- 58:45slavery exists since the world is, unfortunately, world, and in the brothels
- 58:50exists in the middle, the brothels that exist in the middle mecro. Many
- 58:53of these women are victims in s and, unfortunately, many police authorities and
- 59:01fund them as well. Daniel, thank you so much. As always,
- 59:09a very big hug, Fernando. Daniel, plural construction quipe. We fly,
- 59:14we have to turn ourselves in See you tomorrow at 4 Bay Thank you.