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SMNTY Classics: Anne of Green Gables · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome stuff.
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Speaker 2: I never told you a prediction by her idea. And
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Speaker 2: if you listened recently, we had a halfy hour about
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Speaker 2: PBS and kind of a cheers to PBS, and in
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Speaker 2: that we talked about Ann of green Gables and how
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Speaker 2: you got to watch that on PBS, and so as
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Speaker 2: part of that, I thought we'd bring back our movies
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Speaker 2: that we did about Anne of green Gables and Anne
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Speaker 2: of Avon Lee.
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Speaker 1: So this first one, obviously perhaps Anne.
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Speaker 2: Of green Gables, And we did get a lot of
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Speaker 2: good listener mail after after this, So if you didn't,
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Speaker 2: if you didn't get right in the first time, please
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Speaker 2: write in.
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Speaker 1: After this one. Love it, give me more?
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, please do. But in the meantime, please enjoy
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Speaker 2: this classic episode. Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm
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Speaker 2: welcome to Stephan never told you protection of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Andy, I have to ask you a question, and
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Speaker 3: this is gonna date me a little bit because I
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Speaker 3: was trying to remember all about's information. But did you
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Speaker 3: ever watch when PBS or in Georgia's GBS, when they
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Speaker 3: would do the little telethons to raise money for their network?
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Speaker 3: And then they would have special viewings of things. Did
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Speaker 3: you watch any of those? Do you know what I'm
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Speaker 3: talking about?
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Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about. I don't believe I
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Speaker 2: ever watched that. I watched shows on PBS, right, but
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Speaker 2: I don't think I watched what you're specifically saying, which
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Speaker 2: is like a kind of special to raise money, right, right, right.
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Speaker 3: So what they would do is you would watch a series,
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Speaker 3: so lay Miss happened to be one that I loved,
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Speaker 3: and they would do a whole viewing of an entire
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Speaker 3: of the entire I guess it was more of us singing.
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Speaker 3: It wasn't the actual play. They would just come up
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Speaker 3: on stage and sing and it was beautiful, and then
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Speaker 3: they would interrupt it every thirty minutes with a thirty
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Speaker 3: minute segment of them trying to raise money, and then
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Speaker 3: tell you can buy this VHS set for a pledge.
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Speaker 3: So if you were to pledge five hundred dollars or
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Speaker 3: one hundred dollars a month, they would send you this
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Speaker 3: with a tote and all these things. I never got this.
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Speaker 3: I was very sad, but I have distinct memories in
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Speaker 3: watching these and being very excited, except not excited about
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Speaker 3: the telethon part, but being very excited that they would
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Speaker 3: show something that I loved. And I will tell you
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Speaker 3: one of the things that I loved is what we're
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Speaker 3: going to be talking about today. And I'm just so excited.
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Speaker 3: Which is the CBC or the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation version
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Speaker 3: of and of Green Gables. And this is how I
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Speaker 3: first watched it was on PBS telethon and I'm like,
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Speaker 3: oh my god, this is exciting. And it happens once
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Speaker 3: a year, and it happened in my teenage years early
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Speaker 3: years to the US, And you know, growing up in
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Speaker 3: a very small town, we only had three channels available
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Speaker 3: literally Channel two, Channel five, and channel eight, so we
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Speaker 3: had ABC, CBS, and PBS didn't have NBC that was
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Speaker 3: too fancy for us, just so you know, that's what
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Speaker 3: we had. And yes, my favorite time of the year
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Speaker 3: would be the telethon which they would put on these shows,
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Speaker 3: which is like a two day stretch of the nineteen
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Speaker 3: eighty five classic because they would continue on and hopefully
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Speaker 3: we will also continue on with the sequels that Kevin Sullivan,
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Speaker 3: the writer director of this series, would do, which apparently
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Speaker 3: went way off book after the first one from what
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Speaker 3: I understand, which I would try to record on VHS,
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Speaker 3: trying to get it perfectly timed that any of the
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Speaker 3: actual telethons, trying to make it one, and I failed
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Speaker 3: every time. I failed every time, y'all one time, and
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Speaker 3: I would eat a bowl of whatever claim chowder that
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Speaker 3: I could find, because I had never had clam chowder before.
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Speaker 3: So I would get the progresso or Campbell's version of
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Speaker 3: it in like heat induced weather and pretend like I
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Speaker 3: was actually up north during the winter watching this movie
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Speaker 3: because I so desperately wanted to be on Prince Edward Island.
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Speaker 3: I have these distinct memories. Yeah again a reminder, Georgia
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Speaker 3: rarely gets below forty and it's only for a very
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Speaker 3: short season of time. Yeah. Yeah, So I have very
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Speaker 3: fond memories in growing up and loving this movie, and
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Speaker 3: I will watch it to this day. I have the DVDs.
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Speaker 3: I've lost those DVDs. I need a fue. Oh, I know,
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Speaker 3: I know, I've got a few. Think I was careless
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Speaker 3: and like, scratch them up. They're expensive though they're expensive.
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Speaker 3: So that's a fun birthday treat to me because this
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Speaker 3: is now my birthday month. That's what I'm saying, I've
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Speaker 3: decided that classics will be a theme for us throughout
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Speaker 3: this month. Annie, are you ready for it?
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Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm so excited.
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Speaker 3: Of course, this means there may be a two parter
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Speaker 3: for this, because to me, Anna green Gables and Anna
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Speaker 3: Avonlea were hand in hand, which apparently was renamed Anna
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Speaker 3: green Gables the sequel. Oh it noticed till later, Like
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Speaker 3: I was like, okay, but yes, I'm very excited to
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Speaker 3: go down this memory lane with you. I hope you're excited.
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Speaker 1: I am excited.
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Speaker 2: So the only experience I have with Anna green Gables
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Speaker 2: is our local theater. I also grew up in a
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Speaker 2: small town, but we had six channels, so that's all right.
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Speaker 2: We just have a NBC. But we had a small theater.
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Speaker 2: I could only show one movie at once. And I'm
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Speaker 2: not kidding. At least three times I was there it
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Speaker 2: like caught on Fire the projector did so that kind
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Speaker 2: of theater. But one time it did a play of
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Speaker 2: Anne of green Gables, and it was when I was
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Speaker 2: like super into. I thought I could be like a star,
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Speaker 2: so I would audition for it. I auditioned for Diana
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Speaker 2: because they wanted somebody with red hair for Anne. And
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Speaker 2: my friend Katie who's been on the show and specifically
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Speaker 2: came on the episode we did about red hair for women.
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Speaker 2: She at that point was already.
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Speaker 1: It's funny.
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Speaker 2: It was funny for me watching this for the first
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Speaker 2: time last night, I was like, that sounds like Katie,
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Speaker 2: but she doesn't like her red hair like being report,
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Speaker 2: so she wouldn't she wouldn't audition. However, a lot of
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Speaker 2: my friends that I grew up with loved Andrew green
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Speaker 2: Gables and Marissa, who's also been on this show, has
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Speaker 2: done the like Prince Edward.
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Speaker 1: Island Anna green Gable too.
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Speaker 2: I'm hoping she'll share pictures with us because they're super cute.
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Speaker 1: Can put on like the hat and it has the
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Speaker 1: breeds in it.
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not sure if I can do all that,
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Speaker 3: being very very Asian, but I would want to go
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Speaker 3: see the tours.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh, she had a It sounds like a delightful time
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Speaker 2: in the pictures. Are She's so happy that it makes
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Speaker 2: me very very happy?
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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, so I'm excited.
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, So I actually I have a friend who
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Speaker 3: lives on Prince Edward Island right now, and we've talked
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Speaker 3: about I'm like, I may have to come see you immediately. Oh,
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Speaker 3: but in this love and so people are very aware.
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Speaker 3: Because I know I'm a bit of a snob about this.
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Speaker 3: I have never read the books. I've never actually read
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Speaker 3: the books, and so therefore I cannot tell you what
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Speaker 3: is right and wrong with these When it comes to
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Speaker 3: the film versions, and y'all, there's been a lot of
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Speaker 3: silent film. It was actually an animated series in Japan
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Speaker 3: before it was a movie here. There have been many renditions,
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Speaker 3: including the Newest One, Newest and I say a new word,
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Speaker 3: I guess one and with an E on Netflix. I
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Speaker 3: have yet to try it because I'm a little bit
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Speaker 3: of a purist in that I saw this one first
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Speaker 3: and I cannot change my perspective on this, and I'm
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Speaker 3: worried that it's going to change it. And I do
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Speaker 3: understand that the creator was from Breaking Bad, and so
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Speaker 3: she explores the dark side of and with an E
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Speaker 3: makes sense because there's nothing about this orphan girl who
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Speaker 3: should be happy like Hunky Dory happy in real life,
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Speaker 3: like I said that about Harry Potter too, So I
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Speaker 3: will put that cabaret in. And yes, we are talking
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Speaker 3: exclusively about the movie, So please don't be mad, Please
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Speaker 3: don't be mad. And I also understand there is a
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Speaker 3: bit of a controversy with Kevin Sullivan's take. There was
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Speaker 3: a back and forth about ownership, copyright writes the book
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Speaker 3: royalties between some of the family and the people who
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Speaker 3: own the rights to versus Kevin Sullivan. It was a
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Speaker 3: huge thing. It went to Courton, Japan, it went to Courton, Canada,
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Speaker 3: like there's there's a whole thing. And I'm not We're
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Speaker 3: not going to get into that too much at all,
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Speaker 3: but I'm very aware and I want you all to
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Speaker 3: know I'm aware, and it does make me feel kind
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Speaker 3: of slimy and that Kevin sol of them was not
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Speaker 3: completely respectful of the family's wishes, but because there was
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Speaker 3: a lot of money to be had obviously. So we
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Speaker 3: are talking about the Sullivan Entertainment version of the nineteen
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Speaker 3: eighty five mini series and of Green Gables.
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Speaker 1: Are you ready any Yes, I am ready.
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Speaker 2: And also I'm very excited for listeners to write in
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Speaker 2: about like is it this version?
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Speaker 1: What the book?
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Speaker 2: I want to know all your favorites are your opinions.
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Speaker 3: And she and by the way, Lucy Maud Montgomery, who
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Speaker 3: wrote this series in nineteen oh eight, started with Anna
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Speaker 3: green Gables and then started many follow ups to that
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Speaker 3: and was hugely celebrated and loved. So I will never
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Speaker 3: dispute anyone on that love. I get it. I get it.
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Speaker 3: Feel that same way about Little Women sometimes, and a
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Speaker 3: lot about Jane Austen films, which we will talk about later.
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Speaker 3: But yes. So. It was originally released as a two
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Speaker 3: part series in December of nineteen eighty five in Canada,
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Speaker 3: later released on PBS in February nineteen eighty six, which
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Speaker 3: is when I'm to the US, by the way, well
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Speaker 3: July of eighty six, I guess, and in the UK
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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty seven, so it had a pretty big
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Speaker 3: hit there. The series was awarded many Jemini Awards. Many
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Speaker 3: of the stars in the movie got awards as well
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Speaker 3: as the writers and the directors and the costumes as
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Speaker 3: well as they won an Emmy Award for Outstanding Children's Series,
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Speaker 3: Peabody Award, and many many more. And I just discovered
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Speaker 3: that is only available on Sullivan Entertainment's own streaming service
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Speaker 3: called Gazebo TV. I did not know this untill last night,
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Speaker 3: because it used to be able to be rentable on
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Speaker 3: Amazon no longer. I will tell you this. It is
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Speaker 3: a free streaming service. However, to watch Anna green Gables,
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Speaker 3: the classics like this one that we're talking about specifically,
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Speaker 3: you do have to buy or rent it. That's the
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Speaker 3: whole thing. Like I said, they have anniversary series and
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Speaker 3: it's very expensive from what I gather, but yes, and
11:21
Speaker 3: if you're interested in what kind of shows they stream,
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Speaker 3: it is very early nineteen hundred's wholesome series. From what
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Speaker 3: I can gather, it seems like it may be the
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Speaker 3: hallmark of Canada type if you like Way Back whin
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Speaker 3: Tills I see.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, just.
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Speaker 3: So you know, all right, are you ready for the plot?
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Speaker 3: And I try to I'm gonna try to condense this,
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Speaker 3: but I wrote, I'm like, I'm so excited. I'm so
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Speaker 3: excited about every part it is.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: So we're introduced to Anne Shirley, who was played by
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Speaker 3: Megan Follows, who I've seen her in other things, and
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Speaker 3: it would just strike me as odd because I'm like,
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Speaker 3: that's Anne. Why is she? Well, that's Anne. We're what's
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Speaker 3: going on? But we are introduced to Anne Shirley, an
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Speaker 3: imaginative and talkative orphan who is currently living at the
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Speaker 3: home of the Hammonds, who took her in to help
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Speaker 3: with the house and children, and is treated pretty cruelly
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Speaker 3: by both mister and missus Hammond, but mister Hammond dies
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Speaker 3: of a heart attack and is soon seen as an
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Speaker 3: inconvenience and is dropped back off at an orphanage. After
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Speaker 3: six months of being at this said orphanage, we get
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Speaker 3: introduced to Anne's friend or mirror friend, Katie spelled with
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Speaker 3: a K, and she's given the opportunity to go and
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Speaker 3: live with the Cuthberts on Prince Edward Island, which has
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Speaker 3: a lot of tourist value at this point. I think
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Speaker 3: it's just gorgeous anyway, but yeah, they did a lot
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Speaker 3: for tourism on that one. The Cuthberts are played by
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Speaker 3: Colleen Dewhurst who plays Marilla, and Richard Farnsworth who plays Matthew.
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Speaker 3: The best Matthew that ever existed, I just want that
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Speaker 3: to be said. Soon after arriving, she bonds very quickly
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Speaker 3: with Matthew because he is quiet and to be entertained
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Speaker 3: and loves the fact that she just talks and talks
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Speaker 3: and talks, and it is so imaginative and out there,
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Speaker 3: and by the way, he lives with his sister on
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Speaker 3: Green Gables, which is a beautiful piece of farmland. She
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Speaker 3: learns that they had intended on adopting a boy to
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Speaker 3: help around the farm and not a girl, very very
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Speaker 3: very sad and says, this is all tragical, which I love,
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Speaker 3: and she's told that they would have to send her back.
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Speaker 3: The next day, she and Marilla head back to the
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Speaker 3: orphanage to correct the mistake. When Marilla, after being met
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Speaker 3: with her seemingly enemy and has a change of heart
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Speaker 3: and brings her back on a quote trial basis, and
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Speaker 3: the heartwarming adventures truly begin, and soon learns to pray,
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Speaker 3: which is a whole scene in itself, so I just
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Speaker 3: to apologize with flair and makes friends upon friends upon friends.
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Speaker 3: She meets her bosom buddy, a kindred spirit a Diana Barry,
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Speaker 3: who is a neighbor and a schoolmate with raven hair,
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Speaker 3: and then she also meets her nemesis and trewe love
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Speaker 3: Gilbert whom we all love, who is played by Jonathan Crombie,
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Speaker 3: the best Gilbert there is, I'm so sorry. She excels
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Speaker 3: at her studies and is often in stiff competition with Gilbert.
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Speaker 3: He first place in all the school courses, but of
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Speaker 3: course his gravest sin against her is calling her carrots
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Speaker 3: on her first day of school and being very sensitive
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Speaker 3: to her red hair. She breaks a slate over his
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Speaker 3: head and apologetically and never talks home again, well for
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Speaker 3: a while anyway. And of course, since she is a
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Speaker 3: poor orphan who has never been a part of a
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Speaker 3: real home life, makes many mistakes along the way, including
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Speaker 3: getting her best friend drunk off of current wine, which
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Speaker 3: was a huge debate during the nineteen hundreds, as you know,
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Speaker 3: alcohol not really kind of frown upon, you know what
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Speaker 3: I'm saying, And because she also confused it for raspberry
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Speaker 3: cordial because she's never had either, and she's banned from
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Speaker 3: ever seeing diet again because she has become known as
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Speaker 3: the troublemaker manipulator because she's obviously an orphan who manipulates
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Speaker 3: the lies. Throughout the series, we witness Anne thriving with
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Speaker 3: her new family and her town, her studies, and her
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Speaker 3: hard work, eventually later to being the top of her class,
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Speaker 3: being placed in a special class to study for her
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Speaker 3: interest exams to Queen's Academy in Charlottetown, led by her
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Speaker 3: very supportive and other kindred spirit teacher, Miss Muriel Stacey,
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Speaker 3: who she almost fed tainted dessert after forgetting to cover
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Speaker 3: the sauce, resulting in mouse drowning in it. Also a
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Speaker 3: great scene. She was able to save the day when
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Speaker 3: she helps save Diana's sister Minnie May, who was sick
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Speaker 3: with the croup and was forgiven and even invited to
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Speaker 3: the Christmas ball yay. Marilla relented after Matthew was able
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Speaker 3: to talk her into it, allowing her to go to
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Speaker 3: the ball, but first he bought her her very own
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Speaker 3: gown with puffed sleeves, very beautiful scene. She soon meets
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Speaker 3: Diana Spinster aunt very rinch Aunt Josephine Barry and of
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Speaker 3: course wins her over with her personnel and charm and
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Speaker 3: is invited along with Diana to her home for the
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Speaker 3: exam in Charlottetown. There, she and Diana get to experience
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Speaker 3: the wonders of the city life. Yes arriving back to Avonlea,
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Speaker 3: summer continues and so do Anne and Diana's adventures. The
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Speaker 3: young ladies decide to take on one of the scenes
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Speaker 3: of Alfred Tennyson's the Lady of Shalott, which she mentions
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Speaker 3: throughout the movie, which Anne plays the lily maid while
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Speaker 3: floating in a dingy that springs a leak and gets
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Speaker 3: stuck in the middle of the waters, but along comes
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Speaker 3: Gilbert to save the day and the forgiveness he has
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Speaker 3: been seeking for so long from the ill fated Carrot's Day,
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Speaker 3: and she also finds out that she and Gilbert have
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Speaker 3: tie for first place on the exams, and she becomes
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Speaker 3: a toast of the town. She soon performs at the
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Speaker 3: Hospital of Fundraiser, getting a standing ovation and had an
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Speaker 3: awkward misunderstanding with Gilbert, but then they soon leave for
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Speaker 3: college and there was again. She excels at her studies,
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Speaker 3: getting the highest award, the Avery Scholarship, beating Gilbert who
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Speaker 3: is second a place with gold, but soon returns home
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Speaker 3: and after she does the tragic death. I can never
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Speaker 3: watch it. I cry, Matthew. Anne decides to stay home
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Speaker 3: with Marilla and start teaching in a nearby town. Gilbert,
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Speaker 3: who was already accepted the teaching position in Avonlea, switches
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Speaker 3: to the two positions so Anne can be in Avonlea
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Speaker 3: while he travels and in with a lovely scene on
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Speaker 3: the bridge with Anne and Gilbert with things yet to come.
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Speaker 2: Yes, scene I have never seen. I've never seen the
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Speaker 2: next one, so I was like, it's over.
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Speaker 1: No, it just stops there. Though.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I adore this movie and everything about it brings
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Speaker 3: me so much comfort. You would think, wolnot because I'm
17:47
Speaker 3: watching it now and I'm like all of the implications
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Speaker 3: about how evil and bad orphans are and essentially like
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Speaker 3: they're just there for servitude. It could have been triggering,
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Speaker 3: but I think I love the fact that she had
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Speaker 3: such a winning personality and I wanted to be her,
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Speaker 3: that she just excelled at everything and disproved everything that
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Speaker 3: people were saying about her, and I wanted to be her.
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Speaker 1: Also.
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Speaker 3: I wanted to live in Prince Edward Island, And as
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Speaker 3: much as I love her relationship with Gilbert, I loved
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Speaker 3: her relationship with her family and her best friend. Like
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Speaker 3: that to me said everything I wanted growing up, the
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Speaker 3: best friend that I never had, and when I found one,
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Speaker 3: I latched onto him very quickly, as you know, But
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Speaker 3: I felt like it just was so heartwarming and it
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Speaker 3: felt so good to watch that. I have those memories
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Speaker 3: that spring in my head and I adore it, And
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Speaker 3: I want to know, what did you think about the movie?
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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. I wasn't sure what to expect.
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Speaker 2: I'll admit when I saw the three hour runtime, I
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Speaker 2: was like, oh boy, okay.
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Speaker 3: I didn't think about that at all.
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Speaker 1: No, No, it was all good.
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Speaker 2: It was beautiful, and I would say had off to
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Speaker 2: all the actors in it, because they really sold it
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Speaker 2: and it was very charming and won me over very quickly,
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Speaker 2: and it was it was kind of like a nice,
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Speaker 2: wholesome like there were definitely mishaps, a lot of mishapps, yes,
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Speaker 2: but the way it did it, it wasn't like I
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Speaker 2: feel like usually in a movie structure, there's like the
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Speaker 2: one terrible thing that happens and then what happened, But
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Speaker 2: you kind of were like there was something about the
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Speaker 2: timing and pacing of it.
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Speaker 1: I guess that I really enjoyed.
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Speaker 2: It was like, oh, here's this thing, here's this beat,
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Speaker 2: here's this beat, but with a general understanding like there's
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Speaker 2: going to be sad stuff, but it's.
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Speaker 1: Kind of gonna work out. There's definitely some sad things.
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Speaker 2: But uh, and yeah, it was just beautiful and I
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Speaker 2: did love I loved all of the and dramaticness. I
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Speaker 2: thought was very funny, her quoting yes and her very
19:50
Speaker 2: like tragical as you said, like things like that. No,
19:56
Speaker 2: I really really enjoyed it, and I was sad when
19:58
Speaker 2: it was done. I was like, oh, no, I can
20:00
Speaker 2: tell there's so much more to go, and.
20:03
Speaker 3: There is, Annie there is, but you know, there's a
20:07
Speaker 3: lot to this. When I was looking up all of
20:09
Speaker 3: the articles, of course, there was a lot of comparison
20:12
Speaker 3: to the new series to the old and what was happening.
20:16
Speaker 3: Is it better? Is it not better? I do understand.
20:19
Speaker 3: I think, like I said, and with an E was
20:22
Speaker 3: on the darker side exploring apparently she does have PTSD,
20:25
Speaker 3: and that scene I know the book, I think was
20:28
Speaker 3: a little more dark than the actual nineteen eighty five
20:32
Speaker 3: series from what I gathered trigger warning y'all for child
20:36
Speaker 3: abuse that he dies, mister Hammond at the beginning dies
20:39
Speaker 3: while he was whipping her. So in the movie he
20:42
Speaker 3: dies while he's yelling at his employees, so it wasn't
20:47
Speaker 3: really noted to that level. So yeah, I mean that's
20:50
Speaker 3: pretty horrendous in itself. And again, like I said about
20:55
Speaker 3: many of these movies of like the savior child or
20:58
Speaker 3: the good child or whatever. They may be okay, but
21:02
Speaker 3: they would have had to have a lot of therapy
21:04
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of trauma there that we would
21:06
Speaker 3: need to look at. But they kind of glazes over that,
21:10
Speaker 3: which I think maybe part of the appeal for me
21:12
Speaker 3: as well. I'm like, man, I wish I would have
21:14
Speaker 3: had none of the baggage, just this happiness and hope.
21:17
Speaker 3: But yes, there's a lot of articles out there about
21:19
Speaker 3: why it touched so many people. There's even an article
21:22
Speaker 3: and we're going to talk about a little more about
21:23
Speaker 3: the feminism of and the Green Gables more of the novel,
21:27
Speaker 3: but we kind of can extrapolate and put that into
21:29
Speaker 3: the film because it had that same intention, because even
21:34
Speaker 3: though the romance is there, it's really not a big plot.
21:38
Speaker 3: It's a side plot. And I love that me too.
21:41
Speaker 2: It was certainly like, as you said, the relationship with
21:45
Speaker 2: the family and her friend Diana were the hearts of
21:49
Speaker 2: it to me, and I really enjoyed that as well.
21:53
Speaker 1: That it was sort of like.
21:55
Speaker 2: Maybe this romance thing will happen, maybe it won't, but
21:57
Speaker 2: this is the important I want my bosom friend and
21:59
Speaker 2: I want to find my right.
22:02
Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, So let's go ahead and talk
22:03
Speaker 3: about the themes of this movie. And again, it's such
22:07
Speaker 3: a long movie. There's so many things that we can
22:08
Speaker 3: pull apart and pull out, but we do want to
22:10
Speaker 3: focus on specific things that meant a lot to us.
22:14
Speaker 3: And I think it's important to talk about which women
22:17
Speaker 3: as their own heroines, which I really really loved this bit,
22:21
Speaker 3: and I'm going to read from that study I was
22:23
Speaker 3: telling you about, which talks about the feminism of Anna
22:26
Speaker 3: green Gables, because I think it's really interesting that they
22:29
Speaker 3: talked about how this was not anonine Gables is not
22:32
Speaker 3: considered feminists by most part. No one really say that.
22:36
Speaker 3: They just think that it's a classic and you move on.
22:38
Speaker 3: But when you look at again the look at the
22:40
Speaker 3: heroines and the independence and here that we see, and
22:43
Speaker 3: we're talking a little more about that that these women
22:45
Speaker 3: kind of work for themselves. And I think about that
22:48
Speaker 3: with missus Stacey. I think about that, which we'll get
22:52
Speaker 3: to revisit her next season, the next one along. I
22:55
Speaker 3: think about her in that way. Even Rachel Lynn, who
22:58
Speaker 3: is the but she is kind of the heroine of
23:02
Speaker 3: her own household. That makes sense, the leader in that
23:06
Speaker 3: Marilla making her own pathways and having a successful life
23:10
Speaker 3: even if it doesn't seem fulfilled, as well as miss
23:15
Speaker 3: missus Barry the Spinster, who was fine and happy on
23:18
Speaker 3: her own.
23:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are plenty of examples of women who were
23:23
Speaker 2: unmarried not really portrayed a romantic light. It's like miss
23:28
Speaker 2: Barry the Spinster who and kind of made friends with says,
23:35
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes I wish things had been different because
23:39
Speaker 2: she'd been so focused on money or whatever. So it's
23:41
Speaker 2: not like it was painted as this is so much better.
23:44
Speaker 2: But it was interesting to see so many portrayals right
23:48
Speaker 2: of women without men, or even if they had a
23:52
Speaker 2: man wasn't really the focus or in the picture, like and.
23:56
Speaker 3: It wasn't just like it seemed kind of but you
23:59
Speaker 3: could have gone there. They don't. But yeah, one of
24:02
Speaker 3: the things that we talked about about, like, yeah, I
24:04
Speaker 3: would see like her being her own hero, kind of
24:07
Speaker 3: making her own pathway, being a forward feminist thinking. And
24:14
Speaker 3: in this text they talk about they actually quote say
24:17
Speaker 3: for a long time, it's so called girl stories like
24:19
Speaker 3: this one. We're not recognized as literary texts and ignored
24:24
Speaker 3: by most literary scholars, whereas children's literature in general was
24:28
Speaker 3: a subject to scholarly studies. Girl stories were often overlooked
24:32
Speaker 3: by critics, most of whom were male. And I think
24:34
Speaker 3: that's really true because as much as we go back
24:38
Speaker 3: and forth about the old tales, we talked about how
24:41
Speaker 3: it gets some romanticized and then pushed to the side
24:43
Speaker 3: as romance, so therefore is not literary. Of course, we
24:48
Speaker 3: still call it classics. Today it would come a long way,
24:50
Speaker 3: but at that point in time, it really wasn't. And
24:52
Speaker 3: here's a children's story that talks about up and coming
24:55
Speaker 3: child who focuses on herself for the first book, from
24:58
Speaker 3: what I understand, but in this first movie not being
25:02
Speaker 3: really seen as serious or a model for other girls,
25:07
Speaker 3: which I find interesting because that's not true if we
25:11
Speaker 3: look at the character of Anna green Gables. It spawned
25:14
Speaker 3: a big fan hood, like we may not be to
25:17
Speaker 3: the level that we see with Harry Potter or Twilight
25:20
Speaker 3: today because we don't swim over characters and or maybe
25:23
Speaker 3: that's not a magical world, but there was a diehard fandom.
25:27
Speaker 3: I was a part of it, of Anna green Gables
25:30
Speaker 3: and a love that we have for this and seeing
25:33
Speaker 3: these women or seeing these characters as heroes.
25:49
Speaker 2: One of the things that stood out to me, and
25:51
Speaker 2: we've talked about this recently, is I kept waiting for
25:55
Speaker 2: the other shoe to drop with like Anne was so
25:58
Speaker 2: good at her study, she was so smart, so I
26:01
Speaker 2: kept waiting for Diana to be like, I can't be
26:05
Speaker 2: your friend anymore other than the cordial incident, but like
26:08
Speaker 2: her personally. And you did have that one character what
26:12
Speaker 2: was her name, Joseph. There was the one character that
26:16
Speaker 2: was yes, but otherwise like, yeah, you got the teacher
26:21
Speaker 2: who's a woman who's supportive of Anne and like, no,
26:24
Speaker 2: you're so smart. We can make this happen. You've got
26:26
Speaker 2: miss Barry and you've got Diana, and I liked that.
26:29
Speaker 2: They were all like no, you're so we want to
26:31
Speaker 2: see how far you can go, like we're going to
26:33
Speaker 2: support you. And there was also the scene with Diana
26:37
Speaker 2: where she was like, no, I like Gilbert too, and
26:38
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, here it comes, but it was
26:40
Speaker 2: much more like no, it's okay, like if you're interested.
26:45
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you were interested. I liked it.
26:48
Speaker 1: I appreciated it.
26:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a love there in a bond. But that's
26:51
Speaker 3: the other part is like being honest and communicating together.
26:54
Speaker 3: That's me.
26:55
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:56
Speaker 3: Also, she saved someone's life. She saved many because she
27:00
Speaker 3: been through so many childs and knew how to take
27:01
Speaker 3: care of children. She was able to save this child's life.
27:04
Speaker 3: And it's a gorgeous, gorgeous look at what she can
27:07
Speaker 3: do as someone who has always had a find for
27:10
Speaker 3: herself also had an issue. And I do want to
27:13
Speaker 3: come back and saying, how did that kid cry like that? Like,
27:16
Speaker 3: I don't think that because a good an actor like that.
27:18
Speaker 3: Did they do something to make her cry like that?
27:22
Speaker 3: I've always thought that. I know in the back of
27:25
Speaker 3: my head, I'm like, I hope that kid's okay. But
27:29
Speaker 3: then we move on to of course the obvious at
27:32
Speaker 3: the very beginning is the orphaned person, because that's a
27:34
Speaker 3: big thing when it comes to stories like this, feel
27:36
Speaker 3: good stories, whatever whatnot. This one has a little more
27:40
Speaker 3: heavy leaning and understanding that they were seen as property
27:43
Speaker 3: and or brought into to be a servant in the
27:47
Speaker 3: home or a caretaker in the home to lighten the load,
27:50
Speaker 3: not necessarily to care for. And I don't think that
27:53
Speaker 3: attitude was an uncommon in the early nineteen hundred is
27:58
Speaker 3: eighteen hundreds, that was a thing. Unfortunately, children were used
28:02
Speaker 3: and abused and all that. Of course we don't get
28:04
Speaker 3: into that too much, just just the implication of that.
28:09
Speaker 3: So of course we are so excited to see her
28:11
Speaker 3: grow out of that, but we do see that conversation happening,
28:14
Speaker 3: especially during the Industrial Revolution when we talk about all
28:17
Speaker 3: of that as well. But then for Anne specifically, as
28:19
Speaker 3: you mentioned the redhead stigma of the early nineteen one.
28:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was everywhere.
28:27
Speaker 2: And again because I have my friend Katie and because
28:29
Speaker 2: she experienced this so much, every time, I was like,
28:33
Speaker 2: oh there, oh yeah, there it is, Oh there it is,
28:36
Speaker 2: and it kind of it did make me sad because
28:38
Speaker 2: it was clear.
28:39
Speaker 1: She did internalize it.
28:40
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just desperate for She tried to dye
28:45
Speaker 2: her hair, yes, and it went horribly awright.
28:48
Speaker 3: It was so cute when she cut it. I was like, oh.
28:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so she died it.
28:53
Speaker 2: She tried to diet black, right, and then it went green.
28:58
Speaker 1: Yep, went green.
29:01
Speaker 2: So she had to cut it and it was super
29:03
Speaker 2: cute and she cut it.
29:04
Speaker 1: But I know, like.
29:06
Speaker 2: When you're I don't want to diminish anything at all,
29:10
Speaker 2: because like when you're a kid, those kinds of things
29:12
Speaker 2: are huge, Right, that's so big and so can hurt
29:17
Speaker 2: so bad and so embarrassing, and even as an adult.
29:20
Speaker 2: But I just know, I think as adults we tend
29:22
Speaker 2: to dismiss that kind of stuff, but it is huge,
29:25
Speaker 2: it is we shouldn't dismiss it. But yeah, for her
29:28
Speaker 2: to have that kind of constant and that's what my
29:30
Speaker 2: friend had said, like it's the first thing people say.
29:32
Speaker 1: When they meet her all the time. It's like about
29:34
Speaker 1: your hair.
29:35
Speaker 2: And clearly for Anne it had been stigmatized. It was
29:40
Speaker 2: something she didn't like about herself. It felt like it
29:44
Speaker 2: made her ugly. And so when it was like constantly
29:47
Speaker 2: brought up, you just got to see this very angry
29:53
Speaker 2: side of Anne, but also the insecure side, the insecurity
29:59
Speaker 2: of having it instantly brought up.
30:01
Speaker 3: I mean, she has a temper, she does not hold back.
30:03
Speaker 3: She already know this. She defends herself and I appreciate that.
30:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean she and she's got away
30:10
Speaker 2: with words.
30:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
30:11
Speaker 2: So as you said, like we get to see it's
30:14
Speaker 2: kind of fun to get her to like really give
30:16
Speaker 2: like Rachel Lynne for instance, like really counter downsize. Yes,
30:21
Speaker 2: but then to see her kind of do her like
30:23
Speaker 2: apology that she I won't say it's like fake, but
30:27
Speaker 2: she's doing it as an act because she loves like
30:29
Speaker 2: the dramatics of language and putting words together. Like to
30:33
Speaker 2: see that kind of dichotomy and Rachel lynn being totally
30:36
Speaker 2: like buying it is very fun.
30:39
Speaker 3: It is uh. And then of course with the orphan
30:42
Speaker 3: girl is the idea that she's wild and untameable, which
30:47
Speaker 3: kind of is implied by Rachel Lynne at the very
30:49
Speaker 3: beginning talking about she's just wild and oh my gosh,
30:51
Speaker 3: it's so rude and I'm so uncivilized. We see that,
30:56
Speaker 3: and that's kind of that thing is kind of what
30:58
Speaker 3: we see. That's always a part of her which wants
31:01
Speaker 3: to run free independence, That has always been her. As
31:05
Speaker 3: much as she wants to belong, she also wants to
31:07
Speaker 3: be free. Is that conversation, which we find out more
31:10
Speaker 3: into the sequel. I'm just saying another part of this,
31:14
Speaker 3: And I don't know. I think you and I have
31:16
Speaker 3: talked about how growing up we would make we make
31:20
Speaker 3: believe specific eras for me, I loved nineteen hundreds. Early
31:24
Speaker 3: in nineteen hundreds, for me, I would imagine what it
31:26
Speaker 3: would be like to write by candlelight, which sounds horrible
31:29
Speaker 3: because I can't see today, so I don't think that's great.
31:31
Speaker 3: But as a kid like I had those long dresses
31:34
Speaker 3: and sitting by the fire and not having electricity, what
31:37
Speaker 3: that would be like? Which was this? So between this
31:40
Speaker 3: and Little Women, I was really caught up. But I
31:44
Speaker 3: love that this is a part of Anne's world where
31:47
Speaker 3: she has so much imagination, which she talks about as
31:49
Speaker 3: a strength and it is, and where everybody else tried
31:52
Speaker 3: to take that away from her, telling her to get
31:54
Speaker 3: her heads out of the clouds. It's unrealistic expectations, but
31:58
Speaker 3: she lives in it and loves it, thrives in it,
32:01
Speaker 3: and it's been something that has been able to carry
32:03
Speaker 3: her on through all the bad parts, even when people
32:06
Speaker 3: are mean. And she honestly talks about the fact that
32:09
Speaker 3: when Rachel Lynn doesn't have any imagination, and she doesn't
32:12
Speaker 3: can't understand why these bad things may happen or these
32:15
Speaker 3: things that happened, but she does, and so she's there,
32:17
Speaker 3: she's able to have compassion on people, you know, That's
32:21
Speaker 3: what she kind of implies. We see her talking about
32:23
Speaker 3: how rich people don't have much imaginations because they don't
32:26
Speaker 3: have to dream it up because they have it in
32:29
Speaker 3: the illusion, Like I love that theme so much and
32:33
Speaker 3: growing up in my own trauma and I know you
32:36
Speaker 3: know this, that's what we did. We had to have
32:39
Speaker 3: imagination to survive the next day.
32:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I really loved that too, because I love
32:45
Speaker 2: how I feel like the imagination we see depicted in
32:50
Speaker 2: children A lot in movies, we do see kind of
32:53
Speaker 2: the like trauma, I'm imagining my way out, definitely, But
32:56
Speaker 2: a lot of times I liked how Anne had this
32:58
Speaker 2: kind of like you don't even have the imagination to
33:02
Speaker 2: imagine the bad part of this, because she was kind
33:05
Speaker 2: of looking at both she was like, I can imagine
33:07
Speaker 2: much better, I can imagine much worse, and you can't
33:09
Speaker 2: imagine either.
33:10
Speaker 1: You have no real yeah, which I really appreciated.
33:14
Speaker 3: Right. And she created a friend, Kady Katherine with a
33:18
Speaker 3: K because she needed someone, and she talks about wanting
33:23
Speaker 3: to be in that world, wanting to be in the
33:25
Speaker 3: mirror world, and how beautiful that would be. And this
33:28
Speaker 3: is what she did to survive, especially six months of
33:31
Speaker 3: being in an orphanage, which we never hear talk about again.
33:35
Speaker 3: After beating Diana, which is gorgeous and beautiful I love it.
33:39
Speaker 3: And of course another big part of this is family finding,
33:42
Speaker 3: family finding belonging, with both Marilla and Matthew having two
33:48
Speaker 3: sides of the same coin, one really tough but still loving,
33:51
Speaker 3: one really kind hearted but quiet. Like just having that
33:54
Speaker 3: in our life. It is such a gorgeous picture. I
33:57
Speaker 3: just really like the fact that it's an unconvinced old
34:00
Speaker 3: family who found balance.
34:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
34:02
Speaker 2: I liked that too because of At first, and I
34:06
Speaker 2: blame heteronormative material, I assumed that they were together, like
34:11
Speaker 2: Matthew and Marilla, and then I found out, Oh, Marilla's
34:15
Speaker 2: got this kind of tragic like love story in her
34:18
Speaker 2: past and brother and sister. I like how Matthew was
34:21
Speaker 2: pretty immediately like, no, I think Anne would be good
34:26
Speaker 2: for us.
34:26
Speaker 1: It seems to kind of know Marilla will arrive at
34:29
Speaker 1: the same the same understanding.
34:33
Speaker 2: But it was cool, it was it was Yeah, it
34:35
Speaker 2: was just a really good like foil for each other
34:38
Speaker 2: because Matthew was so quiet, but he was much more
34:40
Speaker 2: like openly entertained, whereas Marilla was more outspoken but kind
34:44
Speaker 2: of like hiding her affection and her entertainment.
34:49
Speaker 1: And Anne, of course it is just like open everything.
34:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was connect.
34:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
35:00
Speaker 2: It was a lovely thing to see and it was
35:04
Speaker 2: very I liked seeing all of them interact with each
35:08
Speaker 2: other and kind of grow with each other, and I
35:11
Speaker 2: love the like eventual fondness, like with Matthew was always there,
35:17
Speaker 2: but eventually it kind of became more, Oh, I'll get
35:20
Speaker 2: her this dress even though I'm so embarrassed and I
35:21
Speaker 2: don't know what to do, Yeah, because Anne really wants it.
35:25
Speaker 2: And with Marilla it became much more like from how
35:28
Speaker 2: do you get in all these troubles child?
35:30
Speaker 1: To how do you get like a fond like how
35:32
Speaker 1: do you do?
35:35
Speaker 3: Would stay adore fun facts? Now this is I cannot
35:38
Speaker 3: remember where I found this or if I watched this
35:40
Speaker 3: doing one of the behind the scene things, but apparently
35:43
Speaker 3: the act was colleendu hers with someone vulgar and would
35:46
Speaker 3: kind of like make jokes and like and laugh and
35:50
Speaker 3: like all these things behind the scene and it because
35:53
Speaker 3: really loved her, which I believe. Megan Follows was sixteen,
35:57
Speaker 3: so she was pretty young. She was playing eleven twelve
35:59
Speaker 3: years old, so older, but not the significant that we've seen.
36:03
Speaker 3: By the next sequel, she plays an eighteen nineen year old,
36:06
Speaker 3: so she kind of fits into that. She even looks
36:07
Speaker 3: older than though. I don't even know how, but she
36:10
Speaker 3: fits that age range at that point in time. But apparently,
36:14
Speaker 3: like that's what I had read. No, don't quote me
36:17
Speaker 3: on that, but I'm pretty sure i'd read that she
36:19
Speaker 3: was kind of one of those people because she was
36:20
Speaker 3: a famous stage actress, and she was a famous actress
36:23
Speaker 3: at that point already Colleen Dewhurst. And then for Farnsworth
36:28
Speaker 3: who played Matthew, he was actually a stuntman and this
36:32
Speaker 3: was one of his first acting gigs and eventually he
36:35
Speaker 3: did a win Awards, but still best Matthew, Matthew. I'm
36:40
Speaker 3: still hold to that. Oh so good. And then yes,
36:43
Speaker 3: we couldn't not talk about the friendships, the friendship she
36:47
Speaker 3: had been aching for because she had been so alone
36:51
Speaker 3: and she just knew it existed and it was out
36:53
Speaker 3: there and it was She builds so many good bonds.
36:56
Speaker 3: But Diana, her bosom, kindred spirit. I love the relationship
37:03
Speaker 3: so so much, and poor Diane, I felt like she
37:06
Speaker 3: was like, what is happening? And who is this girl?
37:09
Speaker 1: Yeah?
37:10
Speaker 2: I love it too because it reminded me of when
37:13
Speaker 2: I was nine years old.
37:14
Speaker 1: I lived in a small town.
37:17
Speaker 2: Our houses at that time were pretty spread apart in
37:20
Speaker 2: the area I lived in. My friend Katie, the Redhead
37:24
Speaker 2: that I've been talking about, she when I was nine,
37:26
Speaker 2: she moved into a house that was near me, and
37:29
Speaker 2: I swear like I was like, what is her phone number?
37:31
Speaker 2: I need to call her. We're going to hang out,
37:34
Speaker 2: We're going to be best friends. Like so at this
37:37
Speaker 2: scene where Anne was like, we're going to be best
37:39
Speaker 2: friends and Diana's kind of like what.
37:41
Speaker 1: I feel like I did that.
37:43
Speaker 2: I lived that, and we're still best friends.
37:46
Speaker 1: And I love it.
37:47
Speaker 2: And I think, like we get so many depictions of
37:50
Speaker 2: poor friendships between women in media, but it's clear, like
37:55
Speaker 2: this longing is real for that like your kindred spirit,
37:59
Speaker 2: your tole me, who is a friend, of friendships between women.
38:06
Speaker 1: And I loved it.
38:07
Speaker 2: Like I said, I kept waiting for the other shoe
38:08
Speaker 2: to drop, and it really didn't. They were solid friendship,
38:13
Speaker 2: they were bosom friends.
38:16
Speaker 3: They're amazing. My favorite scene is the walking in the
38:19
Speaker 3: forest actually falls off the roof scene. Yeah, the way
38:24
Speaker 3: that she scares herself, it is so fantastic. I feel like,
38:28
Speaker 3: I don't know about you. I'm sure you have many stories,
38:31
Speaker 3: but I had a friend of mine. We would do
38:33
Speaker 3: silly things like that that would cause us to get
38:35
Speaker 3: into trouble or make some make belief thing and I
38:39
Speaker 3: loved it and I missed those days a little bit,
38:41
Speaker 3: not enough to actually call them, but you know stuff
38:44
Speaker 3: like that that is like wow, imagination, the things that
38:49
Speaker 3: bond you do.
38:50
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean me and my friend Katie.
38:51
Speaker 2: We would go in the woods and we would literally
38:53
Speaker 2: like take turns telling each other about the sand creature
38:57
Speaker 2: under the leaves and it's coming. I can't hear you,
39:01
Speaker 2: like it was so fun, it was such like glorious.
39:03
Speaker 2: We spent a whole afternoon just doing that and there
39:06
Speaker 2: was nothing there.
39:07
Speaker 3: It was right, there was nothing. It was just your imagination,
39:09
Speaker 3: which we love. But also I love her usage of
39:12
Speaker 3: kindred spirit Like I love those terms so much. I
39:15
Speaker 3: think that would be the vibe check now because if
39:18
Speaker 3: I'm passive check But I'm just kidding. But like the
39:21
Speaker 3: kindred spirits, the idea that you can connect with a
39:24
Speaker 3: person and though that you may not be able to
39:26
Speaker 3: see it the way or you connect, they are the
39:29
Speaker 3: one who is on the same level as you and
39:31
Speaker 3: in spirit with you. And that's I just love that
39:34
Speaker 3: so much.
39:36
Speaker 2: I do too, and I again like I also love.
39:39
Speaker 2: None of that was in the romantic context. All of
39:42
Speaker 2: that was just the no we are yeah, we are
39:45
Speaker 2: on the same level, we are connecting, and it was
39:49
Speaker 2: all women from my memory.
39:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Matthew was a kindred spirit.
39:55
Speaker 1: Oh Matthew. M yeah, but they're nothing romantic.
39:59
Speaker 3: Definitely, like it's a connection and understanding that you get,
40:05
Speaker 3: you get my ways. Yes, the level of the small town,
40:09
Speaker 3: the conversations, you know, the first scene, like the third
40:13
Speaker 3: fourth scene at the beginning, we see Rachel Lynn watching
40:16
Speaker 3: Matthew in his suit traveling not on a Sunday with
40:19
Speaker 3: a pipe. Oh my god, what's happening?
40:22
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And then that's kind of the kerfuffle at
40:25
Speaker 2: the end with Gilbert and Anne is that he offered
40:29
Speaker 2: her her ride, she accepted it. Then he offered her like, well,
40:33
Speaker 2: i'll take you to this concert she was going to
40:35
Speaker 2: perform at.
40:36
Speaker 1: She accepted it, and then it was like the talk of.
40:38
Speaker 2: The town and she was like, oh no, never mind,
40:41
Speaker 2: I won't go with him, Diana, give him this note,
40:43
Speaker 2: I'm not going.
40:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's I.
40:48
Speaker 2: Mean, I know it kind of like you know, bingo
40:51
Speaker 2: card spinty Bingo card would be me and Samantha from
40:54
Speaker 2: a small town. But it is true, like these things
40:57
Speaker 2: are true and real and they in fl w your decisions.
41:01
Speaker 3: I remember my mother saying, so I heard you were
41:05
Speaker 3: driving a little too fast in town. We need to talk.
41:07
Speaker 2: About what, yes, what it's like the tiniest like I
41:13
Speaker 2: heard you got the milkshake at Windy's or whatever.
41:16
Speaker 1: Right, you shouldn't be doing that. It's like who saw me?
41:19
Speaker 1: How told on me? Who's not right?
41:23
Speaker 3: But I do love that. And then we have the
41:25
Speaker 3: independent woman old maid the slashes scored to how you
41:28
Speaker 3: look at it, And we talked about it before, about
41:31
Speaker 3: all those strong, really independent women who still has a
41:35
Speaker 3: lingering of guilt. So we're gonna talk about the fact
41:37
Speaker 3: that this is like the feminism probably of the nineteen hundreds,
41:39
Speaker 3: like Montgomery did want to establish. Probably these characters. I
41:43
Speaker 3: could be wrong in being alone, but they could not
41:46
Speaker 3: be completely happy, because at that point in time, you
41:49
Speaker 3: really a single woman should not be correct.
41:52
Speaker 1: Right right.
41:53
Speaker 2: It was definitely as I said, the older missus, Miss
41:57
Speaker 2: Barry said, like, you know, I got the money, but
42:01
Speaker 2: sometimes that's not Sometimes I missed. I think I missed
42:04
Speaker 2: out or that's not everything. And I felt like the
42:06
Speaker 2: implication was maybe you should look at Gilbert an maybe
42:09
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, and that's a fine opinion to have. But
42:12
Speaker 2: then there was also throughout kind of this understanding of
42:16
Speaker 2: if you pursue your independence as.
42:18
Speaker 1: A woman, you won't get the man.
42:22
Speaker 2: So even like, there were plenty of independent women throughout,
42:25
Speaker 2: which I loved, but the implication also was, like they're independent,
42:29
Speaker 2: so they.
42:29
Speaker 1: Couldn't get the man.
42:31
Speaker 2: And then also throughout there was this kind of like
42:34
Speaker 2: with Anne, I'd rather be beautiful than smart, Like you
42:37
Speaker 2: can't be both.
42:38
Speaker 1: You have to be beautiful or smart.
42:41
Speaker 2: So I feel like this is kind of the early
42:46
Speaker 2: understanding of a woman can't have it all. She has
42:49
Speaker 2: to either be kind of the homemaker beautiful to get
42:54
Speaker 2: the man, or the independent, smart woman who will never
42:58
Speaker 2: get the man. And this is all very heteronormative, and
43:00
Speaker 2: I don't believe this, but this is right.
43:03
Speaker 3: No, but this is the nineteen hundreds and when we
43:05
Speaker 3: talk about and we will talk about Jane Austen, that
43:08
Speaker 3: was that similar phase as well. But we know that
43:10
Speaker 3: Jane Austen's history was a little dark in her own
43:14
Speaker 3: life because of that very conversation about not necessarily that
43:18
Speaker 3: you can't have it all, but more so that women
43:20
Speaker 3: are not going to survive without a man, and if
43:22
Speaker 3: you try to do it, you're going to fail. So
43:25
Speaker 3: it's so therefore trying to be that way with the
43:28
Speaker 3: most independence that you can have, which is what she
43:31
Speaker 3: is trying to do. You see this in the same way.
43:33
Speaker 3: Miss Stacy is a prime example of coming in her,
43:36
Speaker 3: loving her life and looking up to her and seeing
43:40
Speaker 3: her as a role model. And then Miss Stacy said,
43:43
Speaker 3: I have my own troubles. We don't know what those
43:45
Speaker 3: troubles are, but she's gone, and we know that it
43:50
Speaker 3: pretty much ran her out of avon Lea for what reason,
43:53
Speaker 3: we don't know, but she was one of the best
43:55
Speaker 3: teachers from what we can tell that was there. I mean,
43:59
Speaker 3: the dude before war was literally courting one of the
44:01
Speaker 3: women one of the kids.
44:03
Speaker 1: At those schools. Yes, and everybody.
44:09
Speaker 3: That situation and although it was frowned upon eventually, but
44:13
Speaker 3: it was like wow, okay, and he did not like Anne,
44:18
Speaker 3: but he knew she was smart, like all of those things, Like,
44:21
Speaker 3: we know that that's what happened. We know that there's
44:23
Speaker 3: an implication here Marilla says, the same people talk about
44:27
Speaker 3: her behind her back for losing love essentially, not as
44:30
Speaker 3: much just on Matthew even though he is alone, but
44:34
Speaker 3: you know whatever. On top of that, I do love
44:38
Speaker 3: the scene where Miss Stacey comes and talks to them
44:41
Speaker 3: about the dead Mouse scene, about her doing the extra classes,
44:45
Speaker 3: and Marilla says, I've always thought that a young woman
44:49
Speaker 3: should have should be prepared to make their own living,
44:53
Speaker 3: just in case at these uncertain times, which I'm like,
44:56
Speaker 3: that's nineteen hundreds. Go ahead, Marilla, you are really progressed.
45:03
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right. That was a conversation too.
45:06
Speaker 2: Throughout of like there was a lot of that small
45:10
Speaker 2: town like talking behind people's backs, and for Marilla to
45:13
Speaker 2: be alone and to have like quote lost this love
45:17
Speaker 2: clearly people were kind of talking about it and sort
45:20
Speaker 2: of raising their eyebrow and come back, okay not I.
45:25
Speaker 1: Mean like I'm becoming.
45:27
Speaker 3: You are now, can't. I can't stop it? And you know, also,
45:31
Speaker 3: I love if they actually do focus on Ann's academics
45:34
Speaker 3: on all that, like they do push her to become
45:37
Speaker 3: more and they are celebrating her for being so smart.
45:40
Speaker 3: There's no conversation about you're not going to get man,
45:42
Speaker 3: if you're too smart, well kind of of course, Rachel
45:46
Speaker 3: has one word to say, but then Marilla cuts her
45:48
Speaker 3: off very quickly. But outside of that, people celebrate this.
45:52
Speaker 3: They people are pushing her to be this. This is
45:54
Speaker 3: competition is fierce, and people are celebrating, including Gilbert, including.
45:59
Speaker 1: Gilbert, including Gilbert.
46:01
Speaker 2: And I mean again, when I was like, oh, this
46:04
Speaker 2: is from early nineteen hundreds, oh wow, because at that time,
46:09
Speaker 2: I'm that was pretty uncommon right to see her to
46:13
Speaker 2: hear and there was certainly like a layer of like
46:17
Speaker 2: it was very minimal, actually, but there was a layer
46:19
Speaker 2: of like, wow, look at what she can do, is
46:21
Speaker 2: like an orphan and a woman. But mostly it was
46:24
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, you get it.
46:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm talking about how she's doing avonlea proud
46:32
Speaker 3: and she is go ahead. But I love that. I
46:36
Speaker 3: think that's like, it is so progressive for a time being. Again,
46:41
Speaker 3: if this is different in the books, please let us know,
46:43
Speaker 3: because I do want to know. I don't think it's
46:45
Speaker 3: too far for it far string for this one. But
46:48
Speaker 3: I love that whole avenue that she loves studying, she
46:52
Speaker 3: loves being on top, and she's going to be on
46:55
Speaker 3: top hell yeah, which leads into like, this is the
46:59
Speaker 3: feminism in nineteen hundreds, right, So the conversation in this
47:03
Speaker 3: paper that I am talking about talks about the fact
47:06
Speaker 3: that yes, she celebrates her being independent and a little
47:09
Speaker 3: bit wild and doing her own thing and being imaginative,
47:12
Speaker 3: but eventually still comes to as she grows accustomed to
47:16
Speaker 3: society and cultural norms, she does settle into I just
47:21
Speaker 3: I'm just going to be a teacher, staying at home
47:24
Speaker 3: and settling down, and spoiler alert, in the books marries
47:28
Speaker 3: Gilbert and has children, and that's her story. That does
47:32
Speaker 3: not end of the story, but she does end up
47:34
Speaker 3: these ways which she was so fearful of of, partially
47:39
Speaker 3: in other ways. So it's really interesting to see. But
47:43
Speaker 3: it's kind of how we'll talk about and how I
47:46
Speaker 3: see it with Jane Austen. For what it was is revolutionary,
47:50
Speaker 3: but for today Sanders is not so great in itself.
48:07
Speaker 3: But they also talk about the idea of eco feminism
48:10
Speaker 3: in Anne green Gables, giving the connection to nature and
48:14
Speaker 3: becoming a proper lady. So the idea is you let
48:18
Speaker 3: go of the natural, wild person, the untainted from civilized
48:22
Speaker 3: society quote unquote, to become a part of the norm
48:27
Speaker 3: to be a proper lady. And so they kind of
48:30
Speaker 3: have this whole breakdown. It's a Swedish paper by the way,
48:34
Speaker 3: about it, and they break down the orphan anity the
48:36
Speaker 3: young Annie to adult Annie and how it has changed her.
48:42
Speaker 3: The idea that's combining feminist aspects and ecocritical aspects that
48:46
Speaker 3: in order to argue that Anne's wilderness a quote. Anne's
48:50
Speaker 3: wildness and her fearless freedom for societies pressing judgments are
48:53
Speaker 3: highly connected to her own connection to nature. So it
48:56
Speaker 3: has this whole level of her and like when you
49:00
Speaker 3: you see her come into Avon Lee, she's like, oh
49:02
Speaker 3: my God, Like she is actually awestruck for a second
49:06
Speaker 3: about the beauties of it. And when we talk about
49:08
Speaker 3: her going into the city life quote unquote, she talks
49:11
Speaker 3: about how she misses and longs for the sounds and
49:15
Speaker 3: the quietness of Avon Lee. But the fact, like comparing
49:19
Speaker 3: her when she was not a part of society and
49:21
Speaker 3: when she was not a proper lady and she was
49:22
Speaker 3: just a wild orphan versus what happens to her when
49:26
Speaker 3: she does become that does her feminism change a little bit?
49:29
Speaker 3: Has that taken that away from her? And this big
49:33
Speaker 3: part of who she is in society. Has she tamed
49:36
Speaker 3: herself and kind of stepped away from her feminism to
49:40
Speaker 3: become a part of the patriarch, which is the dicidal
49:44
Speaker 3: norm of that time and of today even And I
49:49
Speaker 3: found that very interesting in this conversation because again when
49:52
Speaker 3: we talk about the academics of uh and and her
49:56
Speaker 3: her pursuits, and again you'll see and the sequel. Of
50:01
Speaker 3: course this is talking about the books, but in the
50:02
Speaker 3: sequel of the movie, Yeah, it kind of explores that
50:05
Speaker 3: longing to be independent and to travel and to be adventurous.
50:10
Speaker 3: But then coming back to eh, eh, but what am
50:14
Speaker 3: I missing?
50:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that is the question Smith.
50:21
Speaker 1: I think that is a question that is huge for
50:23
Speaker 1: a lot of.
50:25
Speaker 2: Women that we've talked about before, because like, there are
50:30
Speaker 2: just certain structural, systemic things that are hard to escape.
50:38
Speaker 2: And I think that it's you know, if you want to,
50:46
Speaker 2: you find somebody, you love them in this headin order
50:49
Speaker 2: of sense of man and a woman, you love them,
50:51
Speaker 2: you get married. We can't deny that there are still
50:55
Speaker 2: structural things in favor of the man and the relationship
50:58
Speaker 2: and the woman.
50:59
Speaker 1: So it's like it's hard to escape. I guess that
51:03
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.
51:04
Speaker 2: And so when you talk about like the city life,
51:07
Speaker 2: it almost feels like you're talking about, oh, how do
51:11
Speaker 2: I fit into these structures that we have in place?
51:14
Speaker 2: And for this in particular, there's sort of this dichotomy
51:19
Speaker 2: of her, like you know, at Green Gables in the wild,
51:25
Speaker 2: being very like independent, and then her going in to
51:30
Speaker 2: the city, which she also likes, and she says and
51:32
Speaker 2: she wants to experience those things, but it requires a
51:35
Speaker 2: certain level of conformity to not be like shunned from society, right.
51:42
Speaker 3: Right, And yeah, absolutely, I think that's kind of her
51:45
Speaker 3: whole thing is to fit in. But if she's going
51:48
Speaker 3: to be seen, she wants to be seen in the
51:51
Speaker 3: best light, and what does that look like in this
51:54
Speaker 3: type of society. I didn't want to go into one
51:57
Speaker 3: thing that this paper says. It says other thing that
52:00
Speaker 3: appears in the novel is the wish to fit in,
52:04
Speaker 3: to be normal. Regarding this, one can also see strong
52:07
Speaker 3: connection between women and nature and was forced to cave
52:10
Speaker 3: to society both regarding the feminists and the ecocritical aspects
52:13
Speaker 3: of her life and adapt accordingly. Again, this is about
52:17
Speaker 3: the novel but I think it's Sun in the movie
52:19
Speaker 3: and just kind of that theme in general about like
52:21
Speaker 3: I am my own person and don't take my spirit
52:23
Speaker 3: from me. But at the same time, yes, I do
52:25
Speaker 3: have to acclimate and or stand out and the best
52:29
Speaker 3: way possible.
52:30
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, exactly, because I think she it was a
52:35
Speaker 2: very fine line she was walking, because the reason she
52:38
Speaker 2: got a lot of the attention she did was because
52:41
Speaker 2: she didn't fit in and so especially like I'm thinking
52:44
Speaker 2: of the older miss Barry who's like, oh, you make
52:47
Speaker 2: me laugh, oh, and I really like you. You speak
52:50
Speaker 2: your mind, and a lot of people in this city
52:52
Speaker 2: life don't. But then at the same time, it was
52:56
Speaker 2: her having to figure out, you know, you can't do
53:02
Speaker 2: these things without having to do this kind of drawn
53:06
Speaker 2: out apology, even if the other person was in the
53:08
Speaker 2: wrong or a bunch of things she had to learn
53:11
Speaker 2: and had to adapt to. That does feel a bit
53:14
Speaker 2: of like attaining And I'm not saying that sometimes you
53:18
Speaker 2: get angry even if it's somebody in the wrong, you
53:20
Speaker 2: gotta apologize, But a lot of it felt kind of
53:22
Speaker 2: like she was having to learn to kind of close
53:25
Speaker 2: this part off and sit in. Right.
53:31
Speaker 3: Yes, there's so much like, there's so much more I
53:34
Speaker 3: probably could go into, and if we really wanted, I
53:36
Speaker 3: could just expand upon many ideals of her, like even
53:40
Speaker 3: with a dress, trying to be pretty and being the
53:42
Speaker 3: best of everything, trying to impress Marilla but also show appreciation.
53:50
Speaker 3: There's so many to this. Yes, and I don't believe.
53:54
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Maybe I'm going to have people maybe at me.
53:58
Speaker 3: Maybe the younger generation Megan follows is an to me
54:02
Speaker 3: and will always be, and Jonathan Cromb will always be Gilbert.
54:06
Speaker 3: It's kind of I have this similar opinion about uh
54:10
Speaker 3: since Invisibility, about Colin Colin Firth being the only Darcy.
54:15
Speaker 3: I will fight you. I will fight you.
54:17
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to start like a bracket.
54:20
Speaker 2: I love this because my friend Marissa, who I said
54:24
Speaker 2: she loves and Gables, she said the very same thing. Yeah,
54:28
Speaker 2: she said the very same thing. So I'm all about it.
54:32
Speaker 1: I'm all about it. I want to come back and
54:35
Speaker 1: do I think we should do the next one.
54:37
Speaker 2: I think I'm aady Okay, me too, me too. Well
54:42
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54:45
Speaker 3: Plus, what are you ready to fight me? Come on't
54:50
Speaker 3: fight me?
54:52
Speaker 2: Because I remember you were like, this is my version
54:54
Speaker 2: of Star Wars.
54:55
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so happy, I'm so excited. I
54:58
Speaker 1: want to see it. I want to see it.
55:01
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