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Receiving Grace: Rituals, Trauma & Becoming Whole with Lindsey Morris · Echoes & Edges

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Speaker 1: a way forward. Welcome back to echoes and Edges The
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Speaker 1: Broken and Beautiful Podcast. The Broken and Beautiful is a
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Speaker 1: collective of healers on the hunt for beauty, meaning, and transformation.
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Speaker 1: I'm Patria, the founder of The Broken and Beautiful, and
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Speaker 1: I'm just delighted that you're here. Over the past two conversations,
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Speaker 1: Lindsay has taken us on a remarkable journey from survival
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Speaker 1: into abundance and from creativity into participation.
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Speaker 2: Today we arrive at.
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Speaker 1: What may be the deepest invitation of all receiving For
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Speaker 1: many trauma survivors, myself included, giving feels natural, helping feel safe,
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Speaker 1: doing what feels familiar, receiving, being cared for, being witnessed,
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Speaker 1: trusting ourselves. Those often become the hardest work of healing.
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Speaker 1: In this final conversation, Lindsay shares beautiful reflections on rituals self, trust, agency, grace,
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Speaker 1: and what it means to slowly become whole, not through striving,
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Speaker 1: but through gentle participation with God, ourselves, and the people
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Speaker 1: who love us. Let's step back into the conversation. Many
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Speaker 1: people who have experienced trauma become really good at surviving,
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Speaker 1: you know, really good at living small, tamping down. That's
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Speaker 1: the way I would have thought of it within my
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Speaker 1: own system, but less familiar with receiving, you know, just
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Speaker 1: like I think we're talking about receiving here or the
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Speaker 1: beginnings of it. How have you noticed that shift again,
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Speaker 1: that dynamic in your healing journey.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would give. I knew how to give.
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Speaker 3: That was part of the part of the thing. So
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Speaker 3: and the safety that came and being the one to
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Speaker 3: give like some very strong that's like where.
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Speaker 4: I can stand yeap, you know.
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Speaker 3: And I mean I see it now today with the
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Speaker 3: distance that I have, It's still here. It's still a
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Speaker 3: survival and I but I watch I can watch myself
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Speaker 3: demand to give something when no one's asking, like oh,
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Speaker 3: and so that's how I can see like the strength
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Speaker 3: in that.
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Speaker 4: Survival you know, gift. It was a gift. Yeah, it
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Speaker 4: needed to be, but.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the receiving not receiving just keeps a whole chamber
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Speaker 3: like cut off like we are. The flow of both
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Speaker 3: is the intention, and so I don't know want else
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Speaker 3: to say, and we can't always seasons come that there's
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Speaker 3: no giving truly or you know, there's not a lot
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Speaker 3: of receiving it that, but over life, I think it's
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Speaker 3: a flow and when we notice it only we're one
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Speaker 3: chamber works, it's I you know, we're missing some of
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Speaker 3: a life I think that we're made to experience. So
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Speaker 3: for me, yeah, beautiful. Just trying to receive from a friend.
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Speaker 3: I feel like those were some of the earliest, hardest
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Speaker 3: a friend, you know, trying to encourage me or trying
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Speaker 3: to help.
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Speaker 4: Me because I was the helper.
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Speaker 3: It just felt so shame inducing to receive.
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Speaker 1: I love that wording of chamber that you used, Like,
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Speaker 1: you know, the heart is a loved up if you
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Speaker 1: listen to it, dub love dub love dub and if
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Speaker 1: all you've got to dub dub dub, you're in trouble. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And if all you've got the love love love, so yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that just feels like that feels really true, you know,
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Speaker 1: and just such a great word picture that you gave.
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Speaker 1: It keeps you cut off from the whole chamber of
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Speaker 1: your heart. I mean, I don't know if that's what
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Speaker 1: you meant by chamber, but that's what I saw. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's so true. And it makes me
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Speaker 1: think about the parts of.
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Speaker 2: Us that learn how to overfunction or over bake, you know,
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Speaker 2: what we're good at.
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Speaker 1: So if we're good at giving, overgiving become safe, right.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yes, I think too.
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Speaker 3: I just was just really parsing out this receiving and
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Speaker 3: how it grows, because I mean, when you're little, there's
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Speaker 3: no there was no one there giving, so what was
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Speaker 3: I going to be receiving?
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Speaker 4: Right?
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Speaker 3: It makes sense to have an overdeveloped chamber. Oh the
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Speaker 3: kindness there right, like of course, because that's what made
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Speaker 3: me feel alive and was helping. So receiving from myself,
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Speaker 3: like I can actually give myself something that is giving.
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Speaker 3: So I'm still using it, but to taste a couple
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Speaker 3: of drops of like kindness to myself, you know. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I I don't know if that was first or last.
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Speaker 3: I mean I'm thinking not first, but in order to
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Speaker 3: really open up to receiving from others, really operate in
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Speaker 3: that it has taken receiving from me, meaning.
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Speaker 1: You have to accept yourself messy, unpredictable. I mean you,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if those are your those are my words.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what your words might be.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'm remembering a time where a wise guy I said,
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Speaker 3: could you put a post it this as I am
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Speaker 3: trustworthy on your head.
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Speaker 2: With your you know, inside of your eyelids.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That felt like the most painful thing to do, and
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Speaker 3: I couldn't do it, you know, at the beginning.
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Speaker 4: But to receive.
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Speaker 3: That truth about myself, yeah, you know, to give it in,
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Speaker 3: to receive it, I think changed my life. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: I think that's what I'm talking about, receiving from yourself.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so good.
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Speaker 1: I love that you brought that in because I believe
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Speaker 1: that at least one of the very few primary problems
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Speaker 1: of trauma, like the things that that get baked into
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Speaker 1: us because of trauma, one of them is lack of
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Speaker 1: trust of self and that so that puts us into
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Speaker 1: a perpetual dismissal of our own needs. Are any mistake
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Speaker 1: that we made is the chasm. It's like this cavernous
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Speaker 1: yawn of I told you so you know, I mean, like,
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Speaker 1: there's no room for like creativity because you don't have
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Speaker 1: room for a mistake.
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Speaker 2: Creativity by nature is mistake full. It's full of mistakes.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I just really love that you brought that
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Speaker 1: in and I do think that, I mean, I can
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Speaker 1: say that that has been huge for me too in
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Speaker 1: my own life, and it's one thing that I do
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Speaker 1: give out at particular moments as reminders of the goodness
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Speaker 1: of yourself, like and I think again for trauma survivors,
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Speaker 1: the goodness of God, yes, but the goodness of you
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Speaker 1: is the question.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what's called into question.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: What most of us don't if we have a bath,
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Speaker 3: don't struggle that God is good or even that God
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Speaker 3: loves me. It's that I can love me that I
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Speaker 3: could agree. That's right about so good I am that's yeah.
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Speaker 4: Well totally.
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Speaker 1: When you're swallowed up in the curses and you just
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Speaker 1: your survival means I had to agree with them, then
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Speaker 1: how you you can't? You know, that's that's the inching
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Speaker 1: toward a different choice that you you're talking about in
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Speaker 1: the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I could talk about this forever.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to keep moving not because I don't
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Speaker 1: want to talk about that longer, but I do want
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Speaker 1: to get to this next question, which is about rituals.
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Speaker 1: You know, I know that Lindsay you have mentioned rituals
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Speaker 1: and they become really meaningful for you and healing. Can
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Speaker 1: you share anything that feels kind to yourself speaking of
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Speaker 1: kindness to yourself, to share with others about what rituals
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Speaker 1: have come to.
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Speaker 2: Mean to you.
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Speaker 3: So, at a point in my healing journey, I felt
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Speaker 3: the invitation was to really mark the things that had
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Speaker 3: changed internally in an external way with people in my
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Speaker 3: life that have been watching and walking and you know
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Speaker 3: know me, I just internally felt like that was my
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Speaker 3: next you know, it was an invitation. It did not
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Speaker 3: feel like I had to do it, but it was
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Speaker 3: a next doorway into the more that I want. I mean, unfortunately,
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Speaker 3: and fortunately I don't think I'm ever not gonna want more.
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Speaker 4: So I'm going.
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Speaker 3: To you know, want more than I'm gonna need to
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Speaker 3: do more, or do I want to do more?
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Speaker 4: So that's why how much more?
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Speaker 3: To me?
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Speaker 4: It's like how much how much more do I want? Well?
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Speaker 4: How much more will I do? You know?
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Speaker 2: Love that?
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Speaker 3: So with God as the writer and co creator. I
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Speaker 3: formed a ritual ceremony that had several elements, but one
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Speaker 3: for me was a three strand rope that I unbraided
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Speaker 3: and needed to do that to help because the lies
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Speaker 3: and the truth in my identity were so twisted from
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Speaker 3: my developmental trauma, you know relationally that I mean years
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Speaker 3: of therapy and help and looking and naming, and it
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Speaker 3: still felt twisted. But actually having to name the pieces
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Speaker 3: of rope, the evil and the good and pull them apart,
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Speaker 3: and I kept the good and preserve them in a
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Speaker 3: beautiful way, and I burned the lies like that was
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Speaker 3: so good for me, would be to understate it. I
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Speaker 3: needed that, you know, to unstick like I had been
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Speaker 3: working at it for so long, and it was still stuck.
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Speaker 3: But naming those things and pulling it apart in front
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Speaker 3: of my people and burning what I didn't want anymore
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Speaker 3: truly changed like my internal like the rest that I
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Speaker 3: have now, I don't feel twisted anymore. So it's mysterious,
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Speaker 3: miraculous and so physical and practical. There wasn't anything magic, yep.
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Speaker 3: But I met myself there and I used my authority,
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Speaker 3: my voice, you know, my people to witness, and said
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Speaker 3: what I had to say about it. I took what
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Speaker 3: I wanted and burned what I didn't.
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Speaker 1: There's something about the proclamation like your decision in that sense,
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Speaker 1: like this is my decision. I'm keeping this and I'm
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Speaker 1: not keeping this agency agency. Oh yeah, right, that authority,
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Speaker 1: you're inner authority like yes, yes and no consent.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, which I believe is a part of the fingerprint
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Speaker 3: of God in us, and so to access that and
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Speaker 3: stand on it is like connecting with the image of
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Speaker 3: God in me.
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Speaker 4: So I think that's why it was so impactful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, so so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: So that was a big like experience of a ritual
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Speaker 1: that that was a one kind of a one time.
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Speaker 2: Kind of It makes me think about.
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Speaker 1: Baptism as you're talking about it today, you know, that
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Speaker 1: sort of external expression of the internal experience and putting
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Speaker 1: something outside of yourself. How else, like in everyday life
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Speaker 1: or in your normal normal life, you know, quote unquote
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Speaker 1: do how do rituals help you to connected with yourself
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Speaker 1: with people important to you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, A new, newer one has been and I'm definitely
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Speaker 3: a window of tolerance, you know. Eight nine person, I
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Speaker 3: don't really know what it means to like, what's the
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Speaker 3: word hyper?
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Speaker 4: That's not me.
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Speaker 3: It's hyper, at least on the inside. And so what
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Speaker 3: I've been doing the last couple of years is it
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Speaker 3: was felt like an imitation. When I feel that, like
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Speaker 3: I know what it is. It's faster, it's overwhelmed, it's
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Speaker 3: I have to do something, you know, to be safe,
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Speaker 3: to take care. I can tell now thanks to all
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Speaker 3: of the work in the time what's happening, and that
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Speaker 3: for me has been to get on my knees with
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Speaker 3: my forehead on the ground and just breathe and just
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Speaker 3: be like I can't do it. I don't have it.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to go into that space. And so
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be a puddle on the floor because
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Speaker 3: I kind of feel like a puddle on the floor
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Speaker 3: right now, and I just like say help. I mean,
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Speaker 3: it isn't anything you know, rehearsed. And I wait until
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Speaker 3: I've learned that grace can feel like a flow or
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Speaker 3: a drop of water, like there's an energy to grace,
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Speaker 3: and I'll be like, okay, I think I can get
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Speaker 3: up now. And often it doesn't feel very different, but
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Speaker 3: I know that I did not move forward in frantic
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Speaker 3: you know, not survival is not bad, so I wasn't
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Speaker 3: trying not to survive, but like just the frantic self
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Speaker 3: will like self preservation, like demand without a choice, you know.
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Speaker 3: I feel like they took my choice, yeah, and was
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Speaker 3: like I need something in this moment, like I'm obviously
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Speaker 3: not okay. I think that's really been the thing that's
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Speaker 3: in that ritual has helped me.
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Speaker 4: It's a name. Something doesn't feel okay.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm just going to take it a second,
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Speaker 3: you know, And that's amazing. Little ritual really has like
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Speaker 3: changed me how I show up for myself, how I
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Speaker 3: feel about being anxious. It doesn't like freak me out anymore,
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Speaker 3: you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you know, I'm thinking, I don't know if I've
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Speaker 1: ever heard you say there's an energy to grace.
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Speaker 2: And I know you said a.
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Speaker 1: Lot of important things after that, but I have to
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Speaker 1: admit that I kind of got caught right there as
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Speaker 1: you were just talking because it was so beautiful. It's
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Speaker 1: so important. I can feel the importance of that. Can
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Speaker 1: you say, like I heard you say, the energy of
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Speaker 1: grace affects your capacity to slow down. It's like a
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Speaker 1: maybe an invitation to slower, an invitation to come back
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Speaker 1: to presence to choice. But can you add anymore or
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Speaker 1: made that's enough and that's it's plenty, But could you
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Speaker 1: add anymore to that idea of there's an energy to grace.
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Speaker 2: I just love that language. It's really beautiful.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's mysterious, but I think it's often I don't
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Speaker 3: know what to do, and that will make me feel
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Speaker 3: paralyzed because in survival I always did something and it says, well,
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Speaker 3: I don't want to do that, because the doing something
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Speaker 3: usually just perpetuates my anxiety totally.
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Speaker 4: So, but I don't know what to do.
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Speaker 3: So the energy of grace, if I will kind of
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Speaker 3: wait for it or look for it, it's like just
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Speaker 3: that one next step, that one next breath, It like
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Speaker 3: it will carry me to to the thing.
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Speaker 4: But I just not. I wish it had said he
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Speaker 4: can step. You just said that's flow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, we have to get quiet. I have
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Speaker 3: to not use my own strength. I have to look
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Speaker 3: for that and then you know, it's like a little whisper,
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Speaker 3: a wind of something, an energy. I would describe it
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Speaker 3: as an energy. Yeah, it's not usually intense.
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Speaker 2: I used to This is reminding me.
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Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it in a long time, but
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Speaker 1: I used to experience I would call it that hearing
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Speaker 1: from from Jesus or just like that that place of
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Speaker 1: feeling held as like an opposite energy of me. It
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Speaker 1: would be like if I'm flowing this way, it would
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Speaker 1: be a current the other direction. That just kind of
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Speaker 1: woke me up and gave me a sense of something
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Speaker 1: like that wasn't the way I was going, And so
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Speaker 1: there was like a sense of that's not me. You know,
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Speaker 1: that's not something I would have thought of.
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Speaker 2: That gave me.
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Speaker 1: A focal point outside of myself maybe to receive something different.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know, I'm just kind of thinking out loud,
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Speaker 1: but that's coming to my mind. And one thing I
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Speaker 1: appreciate about your perspective, Lindsay, is that you have really
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Speaker 1: disentangled performance from creativity and it feels so connected to participation.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I think you used that word, and so
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Speaker 1: can you just talk a little bit about the distinction
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Speaker 1: between participation and performance and what that's come to mean
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Speaker 1: to you.
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Speaker 3: I guess in light of what we've just been talking about,
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Speaker 3: it's a different energy. There's a different drive to performance
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Speaker 3: and participation. You participate generally because you're invited to so
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Speaker 3: it's a beautiful piece of it. True, and you perform generally.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Demand comes to mind with performance, not always, but performance
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Speaker 3: is often a job and you.
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Speaker 4: Have to do it to get paid to achieve.
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Speaker 3: The things of those that the energy and the motive
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Speaker 3: is so different, even though the action can look the same.
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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, something inside changes. Oh that's so good. And
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Speaker 1: again I wish I could sit and talk for hours,
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Speaker 1: but for the sake of your time and our listener's time,
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Speaker 1: for someone who's listening who feels disconnected from themselves, maybe
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Speaker 1: just completely exhausted by survival or unsure where to begin.
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Speaker 1: And I know you talked a little bit about this,
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Speaker 1: but as we've been continuing to talk, what else, what
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Speaker 1: gentle invitations would you offer them?
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Speaker 3: What makes me think of it could feel too big
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Speaker 3: of a step at the beginning, but also it's bold.
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Speaker 3: You know, your body knows something of what you've been holding, carrying,
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Speaker 3: pushing through.
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Speaker 4: So even the slightest nod like how are you holding this?
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Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 3: I notice you know, I have the tension that can
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Speaker 3: be Yeah, I'm probably really stressed out. I hold it
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Speaker 3: all at my shoulder. You know that's actually kindness. So
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Speaker 3: I would just what you can notice about yourself and
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Speaker 3: what you're carrying can be a really good start. And
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Speaker 3: then of course I would say who can you tell
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Speaker 3: that to? If no one comes to mind, maybe look yep.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And how can they find you, Lindsay, other than
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Speaker 1: you can find Lindsay on the Brokeneautiful dot com website
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Speaker 1: and our remote collective?
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Speaker 2: How else can they.
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Speaker 3: Find you, Lindsay, I'm just really in one place, my website,
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Speaker 3: So how much more dot co dot com? That's tricky,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, that's how much more really co. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 3: a good place to find me and pictures of my plants.
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Speaker 1: And your thoughts, more of your thoughts and you know,
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Speaker 1: one of the things I love about the website is
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Speaker 1: that it is It's a it's a flourishing place.
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Speaker 2: It's going to change as we change and grow.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, so but you can catch Lindsay there or
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Speaker 1: on the website that broke in and beautiful on the
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Speaker 1: broken Beautiful website that broke in a Beautiful dot com
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Speaker 1: and go under the remote collective.
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Speaker 2: Who do you like to work with? Lindsay? Who's your favorite?
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Speaker 2: Have you have you? Are you able to put words
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Speaker 2: to that for people that might be listening.
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Speaker 3: I love working with people who are stuck. They're so
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Speaker 3: hungry and they just cannot quite get past the thing.
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Speaker 3: I find that to be one of my favorite places.
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Speaker 3: And just because of my own story, sexual trauma, complex peach, yes,
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Speaker 3: the relational trauma, church trauma, those things are really near
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Speaker 3: to my heart, and I find that the energy, the
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Speaker 3: grace to be in those stories abounds, So I love
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Speaker 3: those places.
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Speaker 1: Wow, well, anybody that would reach out to you will
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Speaker 1: be fortunate indeed and find grace and deep witness. That
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Speaker 1: is something that you do hold and I have seen well,
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Speaker 1: I see well, and I see that well.
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Speaker 3: If I may be so bold, well, thank you, and
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Speaker 3: I am only how much I have learned from the
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Speaker 3: greats such as you, Patrium, my friend, So see, thank
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Speaker 3: you for all the ways you've poured life my direction.
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Speaker 3: But I just want to keep pouring. So yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I get that totally. It's ripples, right, and just that's
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Speaker 3: that's what we're about. Well, as we begin to wrap up,
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Speaker 3: I'm just really struck by how much healing, how much
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Speaker 3: healing can look like participation, not fixing, not striving, not
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Speaker 3: becoming someone else, but really becoming more fully ourselves. Maybe
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Speaker 3: abundance isn't having more, Maybe it's finally being present enough
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Speaker 3: to receive what is already here. So lindsay, thank you
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Speaker 3: for sharing your story, your wisdom, your wit.
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Speaker 1: I always giggle at some point when we're talking, and
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Speaker 1: I love that about you and beauty, our mutual love
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Speaker 1: of paeonies or ponies, as I have come to learn
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Speaker 1: to say, I rebell ponies.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and just such a delight to
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Speaker 1: be with you today in this way.
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Speaker 3: But a gift so much for the space it has
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Speaker 3: been lovely.
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