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RHOBH: "Denise's Curl" · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling. Hello, everybody, welcome
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back. It's drama Darling. I mean Amy Phillips, that is my name,
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and I'm here, uh to just really report on all things Bravo.
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And joining me to do that is Emily Deesa Highams. Hello. Hello.
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You know I'm just loving this new drama Darling neon sign that you gifted me.
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Thank you again. It's really great. Yeah, it's made this studio
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pop. The Cheetah room spicy, makes it spicy, baby baby. And
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uh so we are talking Beverly Hills today. We have some news to discuss.
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And before we get into that dog gun and I forgot my Stanley cup.
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What the fuck is up with these Stanley cups? What is going on
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with us as a nation? What is going on? If we were not
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satisfied with the Yetti and the cheaper zachs and now we've got to do this
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Stanley cup thing and it only comes in like the super size you know what
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I mean, Like it's either handle, yeah, with a big jug handle
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and you have got a you know. I have to say when my mom
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went through hip surgery, I was online. I was like, oh she
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needs, you know, an insulated mug. I was like, you know,
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I'm gonna treat her. I'm gonna get her this. Really, I've
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heard all about these Stanley Cups and not like the Hockey Trophy. But yeah,
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and now so everybody knows we're on the same thing Marvel creator stan Lee.
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Right. Of course, I think a lot of you know, friends
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of the show would be getting that confused right now. So I'm glad that
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we explain that to them. So I got her this mug. I didn't
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realize the size of it. It arrived and my mom was like, oh,
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like do I sit in this? Do I? So she has likes
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fit in. Yeah, and you have to like when you have a walker
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and you're you have to bring your stuff in a little you have to hang
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a little baggy over the walker. And I mean, I was like,
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we gotta get you a tope because this thing isn't going to survive in a
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plastic bag. It's going to go right through It's going to be like Luanne,
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you know, falling off a chair. It's going to go right through
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it. And uh So, anyway, so and I asked her recently she
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used all the time. It was so great, so so great, and
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they are one hell of a cup. You mean, they know what they're
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doing. Let's just say this. Look, I'm happy that Stanley Cup is
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coming back to this company. Stanley. They've been around for one hundred years.
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I'm happy they are having it. Oh yeah, like my dad's coffee
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thermist growing up. Like when we go on road trip, there's this great
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metal Stanley. I think they've been around since like the nineteen hundred. Well,
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you know what, good for now, I'm that good. Good for
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that, I'm happy about it. What I don't love is the mania around
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ye getting proper color. I thought that came in white. I can't get
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my hands on any other color. Oh well, because everybody's out there grabbing
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these things like they're cabbage patch kids. Oh shit, I thought I just
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heard a Marilyn Emily pipe in there about You probably did, because you can
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fit one bottle of wine in it, and the kids can take it to
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school and they can refill it out the water fountain. A water fountain.
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But they're real fucking expensive. I got I got two at Dick's and one
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didn't even have fucking straw on it. So now I gotta order that separate.
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Oh my god, no, marilynd Emily, No, that is a
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crime. Now, Yeah, somebody took out the fucking straw. It's fucking
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ignorant. Yeah, I'm not happy about it. You got you get those
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people and dicks, and they just go rogue because you know what those straws
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are something else. They will stand that the apocalypse will come. Guess who's
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gonna land sunnyside up roaches and Stanley cups straws, you know, and by
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the way, your Stanley cup snack tray that you can also put on top
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of your Stanley cup. I have not heard of this. Yeah, you
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know, we really should have gotten an endorsement before we went into this ranch,
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because though we came into it on an angle of you know, disparaging
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them on a level well more than mania, as you said, but now
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we're really kind of singing their praises. But here's the thing, like we
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all and I'm getting it big time, is I don't have a Stanley cup.
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I have the Zach knockoff target uh brand of yetti not good enough and
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and not good enough. But you had to have you always have to have
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a straw with these cups and I'm getting these smoker lines because I always I've
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been using straws now for like the past like three years straight. So I
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had to take the straw out of this. And then my niece said to
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me. My niece says to me, she says what she says, there's
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a straw for that now. So I got to look into this. There's
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a specific straw now for people I'm so ignorant. Then't be fucking ignorant.
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You look eighty and you're not even you're not even a smoker, but you
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look like you're eighty five years old because of my fucking Stanley cup. Because
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that fucking Stanley cup goes wow, oh gosh, Okay, what is this
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straw? Just a flat like a harmonda? Yeah, And I think it's
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true. I think he used it. I think he like I looked at
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a picture and like, you stretch your lip, do not? Yeah,
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Because the other thing is, don't think I didn't talk to somebody like,
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uh about filler or something for you're gonna get that mini lip plump. And
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they're like, if you do it, you're gonna get that Kim D like
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that what she's doing a fash lip. Yeah, is she's really spreading her
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top lip uh to the side east and west, and you get that weird
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you get that fish lip. I don't so now here we're doing this.
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I'm going to get that straw. There's a company called Angel Lift that you
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put this thing in that pops it. It's I'm gonna try this face yoga.
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I have an idea. How about stop using a fucking straw. I'm
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trying, but about let us die. Let's get away from the straws.
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Can't we put our mouths on a cup. I'm trying, Amy, I'm
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trying. All right, this has been your PSA for straws, Stanley cups
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and all things alike. And let's get into some dish serving dish. Mamma
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Mia was our text thread poppin last night after we saw the footage that came
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out. It is footage recorded from Monica's phone, so it's like second party
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filming Monica's video of a fight that happened between Monica and LD Millionaire aka Linda.
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Monica's mother, Nana is there in the back, her daughter's there in
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the back. This is a horrible fight. They're having to take you to
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the timeline. This was released by somebody I don't know who released it.
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Well, there you go, so I think it. You know, people
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are saying Tanisha, people are saying, but I'm like, this is hilarious
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because at this point they weren't hanging out, I don't think because this was
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right after the Greek brunch. Sorry, yes, oh no, I was
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just gonna say, there's some blurry feet in the the phone that's videoing the
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phone, and they kind of I'm I thought it looked like Monica a little
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bit, the color and the nail polish. I just I thought it was
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Monica. You thought Monica was filming her own I think so. So my
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takeaway was Linda didn't know that she was being filmed, and in order so
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Monica, Monica was filming her. Yes see, that's what I thought at
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first too, because because she was the one who had the camera up.
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Yeah, right, so Monica, he was filmed by Monica. Okay,
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correct, But I don't think Linda knew she was being filmed. No,
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And so I think the way that Monica thought she could get around that is
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being like, I don't know how it got on the internet. Somebody filmed
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it off my phone in posts, right, right, right, that's hilarious.
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Well, I wouldn't put it past her. I mean certainly, I
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mean, look, who's can we identify that countertop? Because we did get
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to see feet and a countertop, right, didn't we get to see some
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sort of Yes, it's like old Teresa's old Tuscan countertops. Oh we was
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Teresa. It was Teresa, she got in there, you know. So
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anyway, regardless, this footage is out there and it's like two and a
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half minutes of them fighting like we've seen them fight on the show. Yes,
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but it is just next level stage mom, you know. I mean,
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Monica ld Millionaire is just going off on after the Greek Brunch that Monica's
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job is to get camera time, to get to get that time as much
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time as you can on camera, and she can't believe that she left Angie's
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Greek Brunch, Greek Easter brunch, and she is livid and Monica isn't doing
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her job, and it's a job you are. You're on this, She's
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worked so hard to get on reality TV and she's just messing it up.
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And Monica's argument is, you know you basically you backstabbed me. You threw
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me under the bus by approaching and apologizing on my behalf. It's kind of
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the same fight we sort of saw and that we know about that Monica was
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mad at her mom about and so they're dropping f bombs, LD millionaires,
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thrown up deuces of fingers. They are just about as trashy as you can
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be as a mother daughter pair. And then poor Nana in the background.
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Monica finally, oh, let's not poor Nana. Yeah, because look,
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let's you're right, let's not poor Nana. Because where did this all begin?
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You know? Yes, And it had to have begun with Nana.
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So eventually Monica kicks her out of the house and she leaves. But so
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Deanna sent us this footage and we had a real fun time going back and
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forth about it. Now, I thought the highlight for me and we did.
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We did get into this was the part where where Monica brings up Lorie.
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So Laurie is somehow involved with the production aspect of Real Housewives of Salt
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Lake City. So she's essentially saying, like, Laurie, you know,
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Laurie was telling me my stuff was the best of that day. Has ELD
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millionaires Like, who's Laurie? And I was like it's just a very like
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Who's Crystal kind of situation. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and then
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uh and then Monica is like, Laurie. You gotta know Laurie, she's
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like the one who's in charge, Like she's the basically essentially saying she runs
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the show or she pulls the shots. And in the middle of its horrific
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fight, eld Millionaire clocks the name Laurie and is just like, oh,
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okay, good to know because I'm gonna talk her about screen time. And
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then they get right back into it. Fucking its fucking that. I uh,
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we had a real good time talking about that, but what a toxic
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and horrific way to have a relationship with, not just anyone but your mother.
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Thoughts on this new released footage, Emily, Well, I don't think
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that they're both trashy. I think Linda's trashy, and I think we're still
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in that moment, in that moment, In that moment, I'm just saying,
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like I felt bad for Monica in that moment. Again, your empathy
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for Monica runs deep, and I mean that's just I'm talking about that moment.
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I don't like how things have turned out that by the end of this
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season. Okay, I'm here we go. I'm glad to see you.
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Know when we did our assault Lake City recap, we never really got into
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how you have made a turn on Monica. I think, well, look,
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you nicknamed her Demonica yesterday. Let's speak clear. Yeah, and her
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fragrance should be d apostrophe m O n C A screen time. Let's let's
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send that to LD. I think that you appreciate her as a housewife,
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but I think you're disappointing in her as a person. But I don't want
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to put words in your mouth, but I just did. No, that's
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fair. I think that's pretty good. Okay, pretty good. Getting back
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to your thoughts on this footage. Sorry I cut you off a million times.
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Well, no, no, no, I just think that, uh
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I anytime I actually believe that this, you know, yeah, now that
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we're all seeing it, obviously, I think that there's an ulterior motive involved,
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but in the actual moment that it's happening. I bet you Monica has
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a ton of this footage of various blowouts, and I bet she has them
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with her husband. I bet she has them with like just about everybody the
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male person. Yeah, yeah, right, So the hard thing with that
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is that whoever knows you're being filmed, I e. Monica is going to
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put her best foot forward and so you know it. Maybe she was acting
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a certain way right before it. But in the video, if it's just
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that video, I felt bad for Monica because I'm just like why, because
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it's you can just tell Linda needs this more than the Monica does. But
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Monica needs it for a hundred different reasons. But Linda needs said like life
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and death, like oh money, it's this contract like everything. Well,
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I see you one as a tag team. So that's why I don't have
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as much empathy as you. But I see that very clearly. This horrific
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basically a stage mother at the to an adult child. Yeah, and then
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for ld Millionaire to be like I took off work. I took off work.
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That was like I felt bad that she did. But I'm like you,
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yes, you took off work, Like of course you were so excited
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to film. Why are you making this about Monica? Right? Where do
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you think she works? Do we know? I guess Codo Insurance, I
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guess, Oh my god, I mean okay, So this was it.
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The video didn't necessarily surprise me on some levels because it's like, well,
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we've seen them fight like this, so it's it's not a surprise to me.
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I also, I just was confirming because this whole time, I've said
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from the get go, they're frauds, they're doing this for the camera,
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they just want to be on TV. Blah blah blah blah blah, and
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so and that's just one layer of it. Like if you listen to this
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podcast, you know, we've really gone through it. So it's not like
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that's just the end. I'll be all, but I'm saying that that's one
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one chief of it. So is you see her admit that was on camera
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was obviously something like yeah, that's what we thought, you know, So
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it doesn't that to me. Isn't that big of a deal. Everyone on
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that show wants to be on that show and would probably do some controversial things
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to stay on the show. I think they may not need it, but
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their perception internally is that they need it, like I think, and they
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would probably do some weird, shady stuff, not maybe as shady as Monica.
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I just think Monica is much more transparent about it. So to actually
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see the you know, as the sausage being made is kind of gross looking.
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Well, I don't think she's that transparent. I mean, she never
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said she was part of reality Vontee. No, that's exactly I'm saying.
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That's all part of it. I'm saying, Monica exposing that she was a
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fan, Monica exposing that she knows how everything works. Probably Monica allegedly leaking
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that video about wanting to be on the show. Like I think that we're
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we're just seeing like the inner working of trying to be on a reality show
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where it's like, you know, we keep going back to Heather's book,
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but her explaining how like Lisa, how they put this show together, and
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originally it was Lisa Barlow's concept. And I'm sure Lisa was hustling hard and
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doing like maybe having working in friendships that she wasn't comfortable with, but doing
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it for the camera. No, like she didn't want Winny on the show,
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like right, So I think everybody's there's compromises everywhere. It's just that
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Monica's looks real ugly, Oh real, It's it's bad. It definitely stands
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out. It's outside of the realm that we're used to. She feels like
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an intruder and is now the villain, but very proud of it. From
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what I've seen on social media, she is pretty much standing by everything,
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holding up posters of her as well as reality Vontice and now Dita Vontice,
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the famous burlesque star, has now entered the chat by posting her awareness of
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her picture being used for this account and also this being aired her picture being
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aired on Bravo TV. So she is now out there saying like, it's
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come to my attention that this is happening, which yike, cause I wouldn't
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want to be associated with that if I were her either. So we'll see
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what happens there. Honestly, I think she probably is kind of a little
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jazzed about it, because I mean I think that she would like to kind
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of get a little of this. Well hey, look, you know,
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get her in there, let's get drummer up some business. She's got a
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make up line. She's great, she's great, she's great. So okay,
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well that's the Monica Mom footage. It's the big drop. Now let
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me just also add real quick, you know this is where I think,
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even if you don't admit it as a housewife, the thirst and the wanting
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to be there is two key ingredients to a good housewife. Because let's I
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mean, we'll talk about Crystal when we get to Beverly Hills, but like,
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there's not really a thirst and I don't think she really wants to be
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there. And we have Crystal, so like I think, like in a
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purely entertaining manner, those are good things to have for this show, absolutely,
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but there's also an organic way to go about it and the right way
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to go about it, and Monica is all wrong. Oh I don't I
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disagree? There, I am we are all thoroughly entertained. Oh, I
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am completely entertained. Yeah, but I can also disagree with the path.
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Yes, now listen, here's another piece of news. I don't know if
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you saw this, but jen Shaw apparently I now, I saw this on
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a couple accounts. But Bravo and Cocktails has this. They say Jenshaw sent
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Monica a cease and desist in twenty twenty one regarding the Instagram account Reality Vantize,
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and they have the paperwork that they have the letter and it says dear
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mister Johnson, Miss Gonzales, and miss Fowler. That's three people and this
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is a cease and desist from her lawyer. Now, what people are asking
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here now is if her name was actually on there and Jen knew of this,
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Why Jen didn't say anything about this to Heather and this cease and desist
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to this Instagram account? And did Heather actually know? I don't think Ether
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actually knew. Oh gosh, this is hard because again I said this yesterday.
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I think that there's so much shit being held back that each of them
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know about each other, and it's just a chess game of like, well,
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I'm gonna say this, and now we know Monica's videoing everything all the
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time, and so wonder what she has on Jen video wise, And maybe
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Jem was like, Okay, I'm not going to say anything. But then
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I don't know. I don't know if Heather knew. I don't think Heather
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knew because I think that this was all lawyer stuff, and I don't think
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that anyone would take the time. I don't think Jen took the time to
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even read the names and was even told who was in charge of that account.
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She why would she send it if she? I mean, like,
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that's her lawyer. I sent it. Her lawyer sent it, and the
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lawyer probably investigated who was in charge of this account Jen. What I'm saying
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is Jen had nothing to do with the administrative work that went into sending it
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cease and assist. That's paperwork and it's out of your hands. She's not
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doing it. It's just her lawyers saying. I would think Jen would would
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have said something to make that happen. Yeah, her lawyers, right,
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She would have said, I'm sick of this reality antise send them a season
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assist. So then they do the work. I wonder how they figured out.
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Oh that's interesting. So you think that they the lawyers knew and they
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didn't say to Jen, do you know these people? No, I think
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the lawyers probably did the paperwork, found the people associated with gave her copies,
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did all that stuff, and she didn't bother to even look to see
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who the people were because as far as they're concern, these are just regular
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like, these are nobody trolls. These aren't people who would be actually in
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your world or that close to you. So she would never think that it
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would be somebody although I'm a video came out, Okay, I gotta I
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gotta walk this back that I would think Jen would want to know she has
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this info. You're right, I gotta I gotta walk this back. Jen
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then had to have known it was it was Monica that sold her out,
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because she that video of her was taken in her kitchen. So she had
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to have known unless Monica denied it, unless Monica's name Fowler wasn't the name
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that she worked for with Jen. But then again, Jen would have been
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in that room. She would have remembered who was in that room with her
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when she was freaking out, so she would have been able to narrow down
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who took that video. Well, maybe that's how she served Monica then and
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put and just assume Monica was part of it and lived Monica in it.
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Monica's like, no, no, no, I have anything to do with
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it. I took that video and someone stole it off my phone. I
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don't know, but you can send me this letter. I just don't control
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the site. Yeah, that could be because there are so many steps of
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denial, and you can remove yourself the way Monica does it. It's very
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slick, So but there would be I wonder if there'd be any reason.
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It's this point when Jen was being exposed that she would say to Heather.
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The person behind Reality Vontisse is Monica my assistant. Hmm, yeah, I
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don't know. Also, I don't know if Jen is pissed at Heather,
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Like I don't know, Oh yeah, but I would think. But then
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when you come to like casting, Jen is in prison and she sees that
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Monica is going to be coming on the show. We know that she can
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send a message out to for people to put on Instagram, what have you,
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that whatever she wants to say. So why wouldn't she say the person
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who's being cast on this show is the person who ran this account. God,
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there's so much we'll never fully get the layers into this deep sea abyss.
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Yeah, because I think that with the actual FEDS involved, like Jen's
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hands are tied on what she knew when and maybe if she was involved at
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some point because and then on top of that, Jen probably is indebted to
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Heather on some level for not saying anything prior to her sentencing. So why
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wouldn't she give back a nugget? Maybe she did, Maybe she did get
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Neather that nugget. And that's why people are asking did how did Heather not
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know? And when did and when would Jen have given her this information.
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It's also one of those things where maybe Jen while she's in prison is like
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I. She's been advised by her lawyer to not say anything about anything regarding
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housewives and all that stuff, and so she was told that she couldn't say
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anything right right, right, right, right, But then she fired off
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that thing about the black eye yesterday. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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It doesn't make sense. Nothing makes sense. It doesn't it doesn't. But
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happily we move on and happily, Amy, happily Please. I am miserable
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right now. I need a reunion. Is going to have hurdles. This
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is one of them. You've chosen this life, Emily, We've chosen this
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life. Oh but duh. All right, So here we are. We're
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in Beverly Hills. Oops, I open TikTok on my computer. Don't want
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that? Oh no, Amy scrolling? We lost her deep dive. Oh
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I love TikTok okay. Uh. So we picked this up with the scene
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of all scenes, the dramatics from Denise Richards and Erica Jane, just going
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back and forth. You're a mean woman because you asked for it. You
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shouldn't have come in acting like a bitch. Any wouldn't be. I mean,
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it's just the dramatics between these two was just hilarious to me. Denise's
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one real bouncy curl and up to clip in holes. I'm here times like
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whoo whoo hoo. It was so distracting. I mean, at least she
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had something going on that was like, I gotta note, I get some
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notes. Yeah, you have some notes. I have some notes for that
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curl. No, I have some notes for Denise and her curl. And
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uh, the girl with the curl. She she is not made for reality
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television. What Erica is saying, hon you had your chance, you blew
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it. You also blew it again today. You've been on the show several
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times. You're not getting it. You know, you just you can't deliver
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on reality TV. We're gonna have to. It's a hard pass. Okay,
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I'm not turning my chair around. You're not going to Hollywood. I'm
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sorry, I'm out on Denise. Look, she's I do turn my chair
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around. Okay, she is. Look, maybe maybe the delight for for
28:34
you and for others is that she is two left feet on reality television.
28:40
But she tries so hard. She's like she's either completely xanoxed out allegedly or
28:48
on you know, some cold medicine what have you, Or she has a
28:51
fever whatever her excuse was for that dinner, or she's trying so hard to
28:57
make it a soap opera and so she doesn't have her footing. I mean,
29:03
her footing is all off, and it is like wack a. Do
29:07
you know, well, if you want to see a season where she puts
29:11
on the proper footwear, one left shoe and one right shoe, we see
29:15
that redemption. Would you want to see something like that? Sure, it's
29:19
just that every time she gets up to bat, you know, it's a
29:23
little disastrous, which is fun, like that one dinner, But then to
29:29
shoehorn her into Crystal's Taco Tuesday and to stir up something that just seemed really
29:37
irrelevant and to get nowhere with it and to keep going ping ponging about OnlyFans.
29:45
It really felt flat. And Erica did not have the time. She
29:48
was like, I don't have the time, you like, you gotta play,
29:52
and Denise just she wasn't as a scene partner, wasn't giving her much,
29:56
you know what I mean. She just was like, you're a mean
30:00
woman, Yeah, I entertaining, sure, but what are we gonna do
30:06
with Denise? What are we gonna do? You know? Do you are
30:10
you still on the theory that she and Erica sidebarred about the only fans stuff
30:15
to promote it all there? I don't know anymore. I don't think so.
30:19
No, I don't think so. I take that. But the but
30:22
I did kind of think it for a second this episode, because I thought,
30:26
oh, the give and take here is that then Erica can say on
30:30
the show that the uh, she was clear of that twenty million dollar bank
30:36
thing because Denise brought that up. Yes, but I hear. My take
30:42
is, if Erica was really gonna help Denise, she would have helped her
30:48
with glam and everything and got her like in reality TV show shape. I
30:53
mean in terms of mentally for that moment, so that they both could help
30:59
each other in the best way. So I don't think that they are in
31:02
cahoots, like Erica would have her back if if Denise was going to be
31:07
vouching for her totally undercover. I think these gals they're not on the same
31:15
page. They're just not And I think there maybe production was like all right,
31:21
Denise you know, let's give you a replay, you know, because
31:25
the fans love yeah, and he it trying. Yes, they were trying,
31:29
and I'm all for it. Like I loved Look, I love the
31:32
whole Denise thing. I was bummed that she left. She's confusing. One
31:37
day she wants to be on reality television, the next day she she doesn't.
31:41
One day she's a fan, the next day she doesn't understand how it
31:45
works. One day she's pretending like she's on reality TV when she's on it
31:49
and yet isn't being real, stopping scenes in the middle of stuff, being
31:53
like, I can't work like this. And then the next she's like,
31:56
Okay, let me give it another shot. So let's pretend it's like it's
32:00
acting, but it's still real. She hasn't figured it out yet, you
32:05
know. And it's funny to me because look, she's trying. But I
32:10
think that that was a favor to her. Give me another shot at coming
32:17
back. Let's see what I can do. I feel like I've got this
32:21
reality thing figured out, and what's the beef going to be? Where are
32:25
we going to go with this? Okay, well, I still have feelings
32:29
towards Erica, so I think I'll go for her and we can have Leah
32:32
tit for tat, and Erica is like, okay, fine, I'll play.
32:37
I'm a professional. I'll give you, I'll give you that, I'll
32:42
see you that, and i'll raise you, you know, some nasty comments
32:46
that you can come back at me. And Denise is just shaking her head
32:51
with that loose curl, you know, and and it got confusing, and
32:58
then her facts were all because at that barbecue at her house she did say
33:04
oh yeah, and so Erica was like, well, I guess we can
33:07
just kind of say whatever we want. And her kids are at the other
33:10
table, so Denise couldn't even own up to that. It was just it
33:15
was a lot of waste of time. Erica was right at every turn,
33:19
and the irony of Denise being like, watch it, watch the show.
33:22
I think Erica did watch that season between Kyle's and Crystals, and she was
33:29
like, Okay, look, Denise's kookie as hell, so throw her in
33:37
every once in a while, but she cannot swim in the deep end with
33:40
these ladies, and so we'll just keep her in the shallow one, paddling
33:45
around with the fay Resnicks and the Kim Richards and stuff. But I do
33:52
want to say, I want to talk about that Kim scene oh with Kyle
33:59
at Kyle, Yes, that was like I got misty eyed. Oh my
34:04
god. You know the difference between reality star like a monica that's coming up
34:12
and has been watching this stuff for as long as they can remember and they're
34:15
trying to infiltrate in Kim Richards. I love it. Oh, I'm sorry,
34:22
what great? I love it complete opposite the most organic. You know.
34:30
It's like she doesn't even know there is a camera in the room,
34:32
and she probably doesn't, you know. But like that being said, you'll
34:37
never ever ever get that kind of authenticity out of Housewives again. Kim coming
34:46
in with the Kim realness, wanting to talk to Kyle about Kathy, about
34:55
potentially reuniting them, making it nice before Whitney's wedding. And that's why she's
35:00
there, she has to pay a visit. Why do we Well, I
35:05
feel privileged that we were able to see Kim in this way, that she
35:08
allowed us in to be there for this confrontation, and I and I'll say
35:15
the same about Kyle. Thank you for you know, closing this gap because
35:20
we know the sisters. At this point, we know Kathy and Kyle are
35:22
on the out since last season. We know it's been tumultuous. We know
35:25
that Kyle has been moving away from her. She's putting up her boundaries.
35:30
She says very clearly in this episode, in specifically the scene and her confessionals
35:36
and to Kim, how she grew up with a lot of chaos. She
35:39
grew up her mom had an irish aries, fiery temper, and she can't
35:45
take the meanness from Kathy anymore. She just, like she says, aries,
35:49
and it's like she her mom also had a really hard life. Like
35:52
we could just say that, Yeah, you know what I mean, right
35:55
right, we don't need to talk about our stars. Yeah, trauma,
36:04
Yeah, I mean drama. I understand there there could be something to that.
36:08
I don't know too much about it, but that point being that Kyle
36:14
does not live by that. She wants peace. She her home is very
36:20
calm and you never hear fighting in her home ever, which was really interesting,
36:27
especially in light of the Hole Mauricio stuff. Yes, why she's how
36:30
she's handling it and yeah, it makes so much sense, total sense,
36:36
and why she's Yeah, like you're saying she's working so hard to have a
36:40
peaceful transition of whatever it's going to be, and that like she must have
36:45
done a ton of work on herself to be able to not revert back to
36:52
the way her mother acted when they went through things, because like we know
36:55
from Kathy that the Kyle and Siam's dad was beloved among the girls, and
37:02
then the mom just shut him out because she had some issue with him and
37:07
then divorced him. And that was really painful even for Kathy because it was
37:12
the closest thing to a dad that Kathy had. And so, you know,
37:15
you grow up in that world, you think that, I mean,
37:19
Kyle's done a lot of work to not have that. It's interesting how she
37:24
says she doesn't like chaos in her life. Well there's another side. Oh
37:31
oh, okay, okay, you're right. Well she says, I don't
37:35
do well in a lot of chaos. H And what's interesting about that is
37:39
that there is a contradiction there, which is that she has created a life
37:45
of chaos. She is on reality television. You can't get more chaotic than
37:51
that. She's on it. Not only that, but she's on reality television
37:53
and has been with her family that has created so much chaos and as your
38:00
fact dictated where we are now because of the reunion and because of Kathy and
38:06
what she said in Tahoe And I'm sorry, was it Tahoe or Aspen?
38:10
I don't know it was Aspen. So that being said, when Kyle says
38:15
that, I say to myself, you're not protecting yourself enough. Like you
38:22
know, if you don't want a life of chaos, you know, none
38:24
of you, you shouldn't have been on this show as long as you have
38:27
blahbity blah. I'm willing to give her that maybe this is a new discovery.
38:31
Maybe she maybe that she's learning that she it's too chaotic, she didn't
38:38
realize, like I'm willing to put it to her that she's understanding chaos in
38:43
a totally different way now and another reason why in the past she might have
38:49
like really kissed Kathy's ass, bent over backwards to make this thing work and
38:53
it's just not there anymore. And same with Mauricio, Like maybe she's defied
39:00
things differently now and to your point, it doesn't make sense, but like
39:06
maybe like it's a new Kyle now, Well, it's definitely a new Kyle.
39:10
Yeah, the hummingbird necklace was really beautiful. I do remember Kyle telling
39:16
us her connection with hummingbirds and that story, and it looks so cute on
39:21
Kim with that turtleneck. I just thought, oh my god, this was
39:23
made for her. I have to say, everything looks so cute on Kim.
39:30
There's just something about her. I mean, it doesn't look like hot
39:34
or like classically gorgeous. It just everything looks cute, even the dress she
39:40
ended up wearing. Like we laughed about it, Yes, but it's all
39:46
cute because Kim is just so damn she's cute. Like she's cute. So
39:53
Whitney's wedding is coming up, which is what we saw where she her wedding
39:57
dress didn't fully come. Kim's Kim's mother of the bride dress didn't fully come,
40:02
which is why she ended up wearing partially it. But we're talking about
40:07
her wedding coming up, and that's fairest way to put it. Well,
40:10
I feel very protective over my girl, as we all know. That was
40:15
that was banooner's all right, Like you did call it a clock, we
40:19
call it it was nuts. Okay, Well, but uh, here we
40:23
are and Fair's wedding is supposedly coming up next, which obviously we know that's
40:29
not happening. Not happening. Kim says, well, do you feel like
40:34
you did anything wrong? And Kyle's like, well, hold on a second,
40:37
do you know the whole story? Because if you don't, like,
40:39
don't speak on it essentially, and let's talk about how we can fix it
40:43
if in fact that's what you're here to do. And Kyle entertains the idea
40:46
to Kim that like, well, what if I don't want this relationship anymore?
40:50
I can't I can't talk to Kathy like we're talking right now, We
40:53
can't even have a conversation with her. She can't take the meanness and obviously
41:00
got you know, she's taking after a big Kath. Yeah. Yeah,
41:05
with the temper that Kim got it too. I was worried that Kim was
41:10
going to be there as Kathy's proxy to argue for Kathy. But that's where
41:15
I got a little emotional, because I was like, oh my god,
41:16
Kim's like, I get it, I don't want to deal with it,
41:20
and like that was that's the real thing that you're talking about For me.
41:23
I was just like, oh, this is not this is just her here
41:28
for Kyle and for Kathy, totally neutral, not trying to create more drama,
41:34
just here. She she couldn't have handled it better than anyone in the
41:37
world, like Jesus himself. I mean, honestly, move over, like,
41:42
here's Kim. She was so empathetic to Kyle. She just and the
41:46
way that she essentially said, well, look, you know well her response
41:52
to Kyle when Kyle said, well, does Kathy want this? And she
41:54
said, look, Kathy says, what does Kyle say? I don't know.
41:59
You guys need to figure out what's best for you. And that was
42:04
amazing because the pressure is that Kim's daughter has a wedding coming up and they
42:08
better be cool before this wedding happens because it's going to cause a lot of
42:12
problems and we need to know where everyone's at before we have this wedding.
42:15
So as a mother of the bride, I would think that this is high
42:20
stakes. This is very intense, and for her for Kim to keep her
42:22
cool in this situation was amazing, and for her to show empathy when Kim
42:28
said that she understands the anger from Kathy, and she was like, yeah,
42:32
like I don't like it either, to something to that effect. I
42:37
don't know what she said, but I was like, don't say it,
42:38
Kim doing You're in trouble, you know, because Kim never says much against
42:44
Kathy, and she's we all know that Kim is Kathy's favorite, and Kim
42:47
doesn't speak up to Kathy necessarily. She just kind of goes along with things
42:53
and maybe she's not treated the same, but they don't have a tumultuous relationship.
42:59
So it worried me that she would have to answer to Kathy. After
43:01
Kathy saw that scene. I was like, oh, no, she she
43:05
might still. I mean, maybe she did. I have, you know,
43:07
like it wasn't like Kim was, like I said, she was neutral.
43:12
Maybe that wasn't enough for Kathy. When Kathy sees the scene, but
43:15
I think they're all okay, They're okay now, they're okay now. But
43:20
when she gave her that hummingbird necklace though, and she's like I wanted to
43:23
give this to Kathy and yeah, it's rude, and you well, even
43:31
Kim's like huh, I know, like, well, don't give me something
43:35
that wasn't meant for me. So Kim says, I, look, I
43:43
don't know if either one of you want to try. That's why I'm here,
43:45
but I'll tell you one thing, Mom. And then this is where
43:50
the water works came. She's you know, she never wanted this kind of
43:53
stuff. And then Kim says, I was angry at mom, and she
43:58
shares her part of her journey with her mother, which is that she's had
44:01
a lot of anger at her mom for her whole life and for certain things
44:07
that she did. But then Kim says, after I did the work,
44:09
I realized why she did that. I'm not angry. I love her.
44:15
She gave up her whole life for us. I love her. And then
44:17
she cries and says, do you think she knew? I was so angry?
44:21
And my god, that was really really emotional to watch because I felt
44:28
a slew of things. One, we know Kim is doing the work.
44:31
By God, that's what she's doing. She's painting those murals and she's working
44:36
through her stuff, and I can't say the same. And I'm just so
44:39
proud of her journey. But I also wanted to say to Kim, it's
44:45
okay to be angry at your mom. She probably did do things that weren't
44:50
right, you know. Yeah, and if you're not angry with her,
44:52
then you're probably like, you know, she was self medicating with drugs forever
44:59
because she was so angry. So like, yeah, I'm glad that she's
45:04
identifying this stuff now. Yeah, I think that hopefully she'll come out to
45:08
a balance side, which is not that she feels bad that she was.
45:13
It sounds like she's sang. She feels bad that she was angry at her
45:16
mom, and she doesn't want her mom to think that she was angry at
45:20
her because she understands why she did the things she did and what those things
45:24
were I don't know, And so I'm sure she's got many points, but
45:28
I just felt like, Kim, don't take the fall for something that may
45:31
not be. You don't need to necessarily hold that burden, is all.
45:37
Yeah, but yeah, it was so beautiful and to see her break down
45:42
like that, you know, when she has no skin in the game,
45:45
she doesn't need to be on reality television. She's just going to go back
45:49
home and you know, talk to her kids and like, yeah, you
45:53
know, we might get a Kim natural person on the shoe, like somebody
45:59
that just feels that comfortable on the show. Like I think part of what
46:02
makes Kim just fall right into that gear and not be like a real Like
46:07
she's not jaded like a mono, like somebody what you're saying, People that
46:12
kind of watched reality study it and then act accordingly. Obviously Kim doesn't do
46:17
that. But she was in La. She grew up in La. She
46:21
grew up in a very like Hollywood way, So maybe that kind of helps
46:27
her in terms of not giving a shit if there's cameras are not there and
46:30
she says a ton of money or access to it, Like, I think
46:35
somebody's always going to have her back if she needs it. But maybe we're
46:39
going to see that if like some of these kids that grew up like Teresa's
46:45
girls or something like that, if they are on reality TV, maybe they'll
46:49
be like so used to the cameras and not it'll be like a kind of
46:53
a similar vibe. Oh Kimmy Kim is probably her and Sonya are probably the
47:02
two most vulnerable. Yeah characters, Yes, the housewives in my opinion,
47:10
yes, so and ANDLD Millionaire. Of course that goes without saying, I
47:17
mean, yeah, so, okay, well all right, so Dart and
47:23
Garcel have their sit down after Taco Tuesday, where essentially, Garcel, you
47:31
are just skipping right over Crystal scene, right on over it, just a
47:40
big old leaf frog. Who Okay, on the show, there's a woman
47:45
named Crystal. Crystal, she's in the Ignorant, she's in the cast,
47:51
and she had a big old scene with her husband Rob and her kids.
47:53
I did not, and you don't give me two ships. Somehow did not
47:58
see that where she's talking about body dysmorphic going. I totally saw it,
48:02
and I thought it was very valid. Crystal is there, Crystal? Yes,
48:07
I saw it. They had the satyr and yeah, her brother,
48:13
Wow, that was compelling. The whole storyline about her brother that was huge.
48:16
That was big time polarizing. If you ask me, I didn't,
48:22
like, I don't care about the brother. No, I did so there.
48:28
I did think that, Like I felt for her with the body dysmorphic
48:31
thing. Absolutely, I don't know how like it's you know, like,
48:37
I'm glad she talked about it and we can move on. Great. Ozempic
48:43
is taking over and now I mean it's got to be very challenging for people
48:46
who have eating disorders that will are trying every single day to you know,
48:54
like you know, be successful in their journey, and then to have this
49:00
out there and everyone doing it, you know, I would imagine it would
49:02
be very true. I will say what I appreciated with Crystal is that she
49:07
actually like said the thing out loud about like I'm just sitting there judging everybody
49:15
and comparing myself and we've all been in those moments. But to hear Crystal
49:20
talk about it, it sounds like it's like over the top, and it
49:24
helped me kind of get an idea of like, Okay, that's body does
49:29
morphic disorder sometimes, like you kind of like that term gets thrown around.
49:32
But for her to not even be able to listen in a conversation that that
49:38
eye open, it makes you understand it more. Yeah, I can't really
49:40
think about that. Yeah, like that I even focus on Yeah. Yeah
49:45
all right. So anyway, Okay, we did it. Let's move on
49:51
it. Okay, So we know that Darit and Garcela are going to have
49:58
to have this conversation. And I wasn't expecting dere to put up a fight,
50:04
to be honest with you. I thought she was going to go in
50:05
there and be like look, I said what I said, I didn't mean
50:08
it like that. I please forgive me. I'm really sorry. I will
50:13
make sure that I don't use any words that trigger you in the future.
50:16
I didn't expect there to be as much back and forth. I certainly I
50:22
think there are as a white woman in this situation, I really don't feel
50:28
comfortable speaking to this to the point of like exhaustion, because I just want
50:34
to be aware that to me, it seemed like Deree did used a microaggression
50:43
and wasn't aware, did not do it purposefully, but just wasn't aware,
50:47
and then she did not like own up to that understanding, and then moving
50:53
forward she would just be more aware of it. So that's where I land
50:58
on it. When Garcel, it sounded like by the end of it,
51:01
Garcel did say that she didn't consciously do it. But at one point they
51:08
had that conversation where Duritt asked her, do you think that I intentionally did
51:13
that? And Garcel said yes, And I would argue in my opinion that
51:19
Dorry didn't do it intentionally, and so that's where I think. But by
51:23
the end it seemed like Garcel was saying she didn't so I'm not sure where
51:27
Garcel lands on that. I hope that she doesn't think that she did it
51:31
intentionally, because that would be that that would mean that she was being intentionally
51:37
racist towards Garcel, and to me, I don't think that Dory was doing
51:44
that intentionally. I think she did it out of ignorance. Ignorance, well,
51:49
I agree, but I kind of see it the way Garcel said it
51:52
in terms of like it does. And I'm not putting words into Garcel's thoughts
52:00
here. I just think like I got it in terms of if I had
52:05
a friend that kept correcting me and telling me, like, you're doing this,
52:10
this is off this, you know, like you you don't have an
52:14
understanding of what I'm going through, And the Internet also pointed that out.
52:21
I mean, this isn't the first time Durid has been down this road with
52:23
garcelf oh right, And I think that's her point. She's over it.
52:25
Yeah, yeah, but but if that is where it's like, you're not
52:30
I'm not doing this on purpose, well, you're purposely also not kind of
52:34
evolving here, like you're not taking the time to read a book, talk
52:38
to a professor or something like do the work a little here, Duri Like,
52:43
that's I think where Garcel's coming from. Like, there's so many books
52:45
white fragility, whatever, you know, you can go down the whole list
52:49
of really good books to check out if you're to read. And you keep
52:54
hitting this wall with your what you say is a great friend, why don't
53:00
you correct it? And I think that's where Garcel is like, is saying,
53:04
that's intentional. Okay, yeah, I mean I see what you're saying.
53:08
And with Derett's point about how they use that word attack in every conversation
53:15
that they when they all have arguments, I get it. That's absolutely true.
53:19
And so the lesson is that you just can't equate. You just can't
53:23
use certain words, you know, in certain situations, in certain circumstances with
53:27
certain people. And I don't think that she is accepting that, and so
53:32
maybe to your point, that's why she feels like it's intentional. Now,
53:37
what I will say is that I think that Deurite is in general very condescending
53:44
and can be extremely annoying, and so like she talks down to people,
53:50
and that is where I think at the end of the day, Garcel is
53:53
annoyed by her and just flat out doesn't like her and is like I'm over
54:00
this personality, I'm over like it all. And yeah, I mean I
54:05
don't know where we go from here because you're, you know, with the
54:07
I can see that condescension, condescension the entire time, and I would be
54:13
like, I would be grinding my teeth too. It'd be hard to talk
54:15
to her. I couldn't believe Garcel was like okay, clean slate club at
54:22
the end of that, because again, Darite made it about her like I
54:27
am offended that you would be hurt by what I've said. It's like we
54:31
know Jerid, like how are we here again? Mm hmmm, well again,
54:37
I think the offense is coming from that she would do it purposely to
54:42
hurt Garcel, and that's where that's where I think she has. She has
54:47
a very small point, which is that I hope that if I ever did
54:52
if I ever set a microaggression to a friend, I would hope that they
54:55
would know me well enough to know that I didn't do it on purpose and
55:00
that I would be eager to learn and you would but keeps doing it,
55:08
Like when Garcel was talking like you know that flashed back to like I have
55:14
black people at my home. They are like, and Garcel's like, and
55:17
she then lists it out and Garcel's like, so it's only people that work
55:22
for you. That's how your kids we'll see people of color and jury it's
55:28
like whatever, and then she posts recently happy to be in my bubble.
55:31
It's like, dere did you see that after last week? Yeah, So
55:37
it's it's like if you're not, if you're if you really don't care,
55:42
you wouldn't act differently. I don't think you really care. I think you're
55:45
kind of being color blind, which we already know is not what you should
55:50
do. And now you keep wondering why it's a bad look. Well,
55:57
here we are again to eat, so we'll do the word. If I
56:00
were her, I wouldn't have handled it that way at all. And and
56:06
if I were Garcel, I mean, I just don't. I don't know.
56:07
I can't. I can't speak for Garcel. But the the the thing
56:12
that I feel like at this point is that, you know, reading on
56:15
the internet some dms that I've gotten, you know, there are people who
56:19
are all over the map on this saying that it you know that they feel
56:23
that Garcel is race baiting. They feel that that it should it landed here
56:30
too long, and it should it should be a moment where you can point
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it out and move forward, and it doesn't need to become this huge thing.
56:38
There are a lot of different opinions on this from many many people.
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And also and and and I've been the recipient of uh dms from people who
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have studied these kinds of topics and can weigh in on that. I don't
56:59
have that kind of education. I don't have that kind of insight. I'm
57:04
just saying the way I would have handled it is not the way that Dory
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would have handled it. And at the end of the day, I think
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garcel just thinks that Dorie is annoying, condescending and ignorant and she's over it
57:15
and that I became a big deal. One thing that I think that I
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can speak on is Bravo, if you're going to have the crew in the
57:24
background as the restaurant patrons, make sure like the camera guy takes off his
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gear when he's sitting down to eat at the table, because the guy sitting
57:35
behind Garcella, it's like, is he wearing a baby Buren? Oh no,
57:38
that's the camera guy. Oh no, way he's got his whole like
57:43
hookup on and it's light gray not black, so it really pops. And
57:49
I'm like, is it a baby Baren and it's there's no baby in it.
57:52
And then everybody's wearing dark hoodies. Like it's like this is supposed to
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be a high end restaurant and we've got like and they're filming at like five
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am. There's no one there. You can see fog across the field.
58:06
Like that was so weird. It's like, so like just maybe we're like,
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uh, not a hoodie and not your camera holder. Just a suggestion,
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that's something I can speak like good good to speak on that. Sutton
58:21
has a successful date with a gentleman and she was confused by it. When
58:29
Alessandra, who is quite the cat character that matchmaker, is like, oh
58:32
my god, she like a fucking friend of the show. I sudden she
58:37
gets a lot of time. She does, and for someone that Sutton doesn't
58:39
even know her name. I'm like, Sudden, you're really helping this person.
58:43
Man, It's like, yeah, it's too much. It's a yeah,
58:49
it's too much. I agree, these dates are too much. I
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mean, and Sutton being confused when she was like oh, he's a VP
58:57
of sales. She's like, I don't know what what and she like,
59:00
basically, I don't know. Her wires got crossed. She just couldn't handle
59:05
it. I don't know job, Like, what are you talking about?
59:09
So weird? So but I'm glad she had fun and they got along.
59:15
He was cool. I like that. Nookie is one of what the like,
59:21
what's dock ninety nine? Dude, Okay, let's do it. No,
59:24
thanks, olympus uit. I don't know. I liked him, but
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I don't think we are going to ever see him again, because we would
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have known by now. Yeah, we're never going to see him again.
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