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296 - Exploring Feminine Leadership in Business with 3/5 Sacral Manifesting Generator Lisa Malia Norman · Unshakeable with Human Design - A Human Design For Business Podcast

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Welcome to Unshakeable with Human Design, the show dedicated to
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helping entrepreneurs use human design to shift from hustle to
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flow without sacrificing results.
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Come here to become an unshakeable human and build an unshakeable business
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according to your human design.
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I'm your host, Nicole Laino.
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Hello and welcome to Unshakeable with Human Design, everybody.
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I'm your host, Nicole Laino, and I'm not by myself for a change, and I'm
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so excited to bring this guest on.
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Lisa is a friend.
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I have Lisa Malia Norman here with me.
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She's a women's health and wellness leader, educator, breast cancer
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survivor, and mama, feminine wisdom and embodiment leadership coach.
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She's also a nonprofit founder and CEO.
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She helps people connect to their innate wisdom, trust their intuition
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and embody their sacred purpose so they can build a lasting legacy to
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access a life of deep satisfaction, clarity, and unapologetic joy.
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I am so happy to have you here, Lisa.
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Welcome to the show.
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Oh my gosh, Nicole, thank you so much.
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This is an honor and a privilege and I'm so excited to dive into conversation
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with you because I think we have so many beautifully aligned ways and views
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of looking at women in leadership.
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I believe the same thing and that's why I asked you to be on the show and I'm
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excited to have this conversation, to talk about this new paradigm of feminine
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leadership that we're stepping into.
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Before I do that, I want to call out that Lisa is a 3/5
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sacral manifesting generator.
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So she's a fellow mani gen over here.
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And Lisa, I gave that intro, which was basically your bio, but what
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else can you tell the audience?
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Introduce yourself to them.
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Tell them what I didn't catch in that bio, which always sounds a little sterile,
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but what do they need to know about you?
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So I think, what people could know about me is that, I grew up in a
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small town and I had a big family.
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And so it was really easy for me to blend in with the big family and
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let everybody else take the lead and let myself just be a little bit
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invisible and felt a little bit safe.
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Just seeing, how I have tapped into my human design, my magic, my power,
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and my medicine, and what really motivates me and inspires me today is
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that sacred purpose that we talk about.
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And that is what really calls me forward and calls me to do this
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work that literally, I can't sleep unless I show up for it.
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And it's so out of the way that I was brought up to be behind
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a microphone, to be visible, to be taking a role in leadership.
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But like I said, I think that just speaks to finding your
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purpose and stepping into it.
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And then you unapologetically give yourself permission to go for it.
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You brought up that word unapologetic and I know you said that you have some
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experience with your human design.
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How has your human design and understanding it helped you be more
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unapologetic, if it has at all, if it's helped you step into maybe
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being seen, being able to sit behind that microphone, being able to claim
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your space or your sacred purpose.
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What has human design helped you do in that and what has it brought out for you?
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Yeah, I love that question because first and foremost, I found it very validating.
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I think that there were times in my life, as a mani gen, you do have
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multi passionate, multi interest, you're multi faceted, and you
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want to say yes to everything.
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And you do try a lot of things.
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And also, you add that to my profile three of being the experimenter.
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I looked like somebody that never wanted to take good advice and
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always was a little bit reckless.
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And even in the way that I go about learning now, I find that I really
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like to roll up my sleeves and dig in and make a little bit of a mess and
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then come out the other side and go, oh my gosh, look at what I learned.
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And I think my mom probably terrified her in many ways, trying to raise a
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child like this, but also for me, again, it just came back to feeling really
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validated and getting to learn how to use some of those things that I maybe
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even shamed myself a little bit for.
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Thinking that, why can't I just follow the rules?
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Why can't I just do it the way everybody else does?
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Wouldn't it be so much easier if I did?
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And just giving myself that permission to make a mess, to learn the way I
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want it, to learn and really figure it out and get to know the ins and
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outs of everything I was doing.
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I love that you brought up that validation and that permission to do it your way.
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Cause I think a lot of times we're not even looking at what
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we got out of it, we're just looking at, the process was bad.
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We shame ourselves for looking not like everybody else's path.
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And it doesn't even matter if we ended up where we wanted to, or
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if we're proud of where we are.
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It didn't look like everybody else's past.
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So people think I'm a flake.
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And I think that's a really big mani gen thing is that people think I'm a mess.
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People think don't know where I'm going.
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They don't really trust me, which is why every type needs to trust their path.
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And we all have a different, we all have something
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Absolutely.
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That's like I said, I think it's just very validating.
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Well let's talk about what you do, and what I brought you on the show
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for is, I think we're stepping into a new paradigm of leadership.
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That is what I feel.
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On the show, we've talked about the cross of the sleeping Phoenix change where
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we're going to be stepping into more of an energy of individuality and more
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energy over brute force necessarily.
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What is your take on feminine leadership versus the way that we've
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looked at leadership in the past?
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Absolutely.
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This is my heart and soul you're speaking to right now.
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There absolutely is a shift in the paradigm and I think whether or not
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you can actually name it, you're probably having some feelings around it.
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You see this rise in feminine voices.
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You do see the rise in feminine leadership and you do feel, I
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would say probably a stirring or a calling in your soul, especially if
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you're listening to this podcast.
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Where there may be something more on your heart, or maybe you know that
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there is something more possible, or you have a vision that keeps
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tapping you on that shoulder.
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And feminine leadership, at its core, it's a remembering of who we are and the innate
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power that we have and that we hold.
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And it is an awakening of the feminine spirit of Earth wisdom that is coming
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through to us in a much more holistic way.
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There is individualism in that, of course, because we are meant to
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show up in our unique magic, and our unique medicine, and our unique gifts.
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And this is where feminine versus masculine differs, in that even if you are
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a woman leader in, say, a corporation, you are still filling a very specific role.
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You are wearing the different hats, fulfilling the roles, doing the things
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that have always been demonstrated as successful, typically in a male
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dominated industry, in a formula that was designed by men for men.
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And while that is wonderful, and we need women making those shifts within
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those spaces, feminine leadership is really a calling to be able to show up
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as our whole selves in these spaces.
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So bringing your wisdom and your insight and your magic into those spaces, I
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know often can feel really scary and like that's never been done before.
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It's unfamiliar territory for most people.
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But actually having that be able to affect you, start on a very small
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level first in your home, in your life, in your community, allowing
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yourself to tap into that wisdom that you know is awakening within you.
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Feminine leadership is just that.
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It's a much more nourishing, life giving, life force, energy way of
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creating, and producing, and leading.
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It is your whole self showing up in the collective, for the collective good in a
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way that is regenerative and resourceful versus goal oriented, extractive,
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dominant, depleting, leading to a lot of the things that we're seeing today in our
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bodies, as far as depletion goes, and in our environment, as far as depletion goes,
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Now, I feel like the person listening to this maybe is like, I believe in feminine
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leadership, this all sounds really good, she might be thinking, but if it's not
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goal oriented, if it isn't all of these things that we've been accustomed to,
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does that mean that I can't achieve?
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Does that mean that I can't have goals?
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Does that mean that I can't be successful?
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Does feminine leadership suddenly mean I'm surrendering to the fact that I won't be?
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Or that I'm just going to lean back completely and not get anything
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done, and not go where I want to go?
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Do I have to surrender to that?
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What are your thoughts on that?
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I love this question, because I love to demystify feminine leadership, because I
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think there are a lot of misconceptions that one, it can be very passive, because
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you hear a lot of the feminine is meant to just relax, receive, surrender.
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And while that's true because traditionally we haven't been taught that.
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So that's part of the unlearning that needs to happen.
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But the balance is that feminine leadership is really outcome oriented.
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And of course you can have goals, you have a vision that you can
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follow, that you can trust.
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And this is really going to be the most courageous path you
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ever walk, or that you ever take.
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I do hear this a lot.
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Will I lose my edge?
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Will I not be as successful?
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But all I can tell you is you will feel more powerful than
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you have ever felt before.
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You will feel more whole than you have ever felt before, and you will
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probably accomplish things that you never even imagined possible.
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I couldn't agree more and I think that what I'm taking from what you just
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said and the experience I have as well.
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Same thing I tell people with human design.
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That feminine does not always just mean women either.
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It's feminine energy.
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Is that how you look at it too?
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That tapping into the feminine is not, male female, it's a different energy
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and it's a different type of energy.
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With human design, one of the benefits is you have to recognize
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that you play your game.
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Mani Gens, we play our game.
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As a 3/5 Mani Gen, you have a specific game that's going to involve you
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doing lots of things, and you've got to get real comfortable with
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the fact that this is your way.
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Projectors, you've got to get comfortable with your game and you
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have to know what your game is.
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And I think that's part of this too, is recognizing that maybe
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we've been playing a different game.
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We haven't been playing our game.
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If you've been playing the male dominated, masculine driven, fully masculine game,
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and there's certainly things in your human design that can tell you whether
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you have a lot more feminine energy or masculine energy, what your balance is.
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But in general, nobody benefits from being 100 percent on one side.
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So, what is your game here?
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There's a different game to be played, and you just might be able to win
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the race when you play your own game.
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And I feel like there's sort of an essence of that to this feminine leadership.
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Yes, if you look at it like, the game is all masculine, so
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we've got to play this game.
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Maybe you bring your best self when you surrender to more of the feminine game.
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And then you bring something completely new and different
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and powerful to the table.
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I don't know if that resonates for you or if that jives with what
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you teach and how you approach it.
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Absolutely, absolutely.
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I think part of that game is just really understanding what your purpose
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is, who you are, and how you do want to show up as your whole self.
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And the more we individually do that, as you started this conversation off
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of an era of individualism, the thing about honing our own energy so that
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we can stop wearing all the masks and all the hats and start shedding all of
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those things that don't really fit us.
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The more each of us can step into our own powers so that we're not
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trying to hold all the things.
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Everybody is holding something really important that nourishes the whole,
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and then we are all more resourced, then we all have more energy, then
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we have all more ability to do what's really important and meaningful.
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So how does somebody know if they're stepping into feminine leadership or not?
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How do they know if they're playing that game or are they leaning
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too hard into the masculine?
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How do we know like how do you approach this of helping people find
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their authentic feminine leadership?
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Or being able to tap into this and understand what it is for
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themselves and start to work with it.
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Where do you start?
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Well, I will tell you, I think most women, and this is not uncommon kind of
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wait till things got really hard and they were pushed to the brink of exhaustion,
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or burnout, or a health crisis.
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In my case, that's what it was.
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You pushed yourself too hard, that you just kept driving, you kept ignoring your
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intuition, all the ways that you didn't do the things that light you up, fill you
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up, nourish you, replenish you because you were so driven in this one area.
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And it may have served you for a while.
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There's definitely nothing wrong with that when you need to jump
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into survival mode sometimes.
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We've all been there, but being able to recognize when enough is enough
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and it's time to make a shift.
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And my message now is really trying to catch women before they reach that point
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of a health crisis, or burnout, or total despair to answer those whisperings that
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are on their soul, because there is one.
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It's there.
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There is something inside of you that you have had to shut down for a while.
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And it is just begging to come out and begging to be heard.
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So most often women will approach me from one of those two places.
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Either they've reached a breaking point where they don't know what
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else to do and there's got to be a better way, or else they're in it
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and they have enough awareness to say, there's gotta be a better way.
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Just help guide me through this process cause I'm ready to go.
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Do you feel like most women are ready to surrender to that process?
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Or that it takes some experimentation?
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Or do they have to get to that breaking point where they're like,
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I can no longer continue this way?
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How do you get them to start listening before?
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Don't give us the step by step, I'm not putting that kind of pressure on you, but
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I think that recognizing that there's a whisper and there's a call and actually
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answering it are two different things.
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And I have certainly found in my own experience, both with
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myself, I had a burnout breaking point with my corporate job.
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That's what caused me to leave and then had to surrender to finding myself
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and listening to guidance in myself.
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And that did mean being open to things being different than they were.
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Being open to money changing, or not being as sure of where things were going.
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Being okay letting the wind take me where it will and then learning
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to work with intention behind it.
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But I do find that some people say they want to surrender.
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But they're still holding on for dear life, and anytime they're given
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something outside of what they're used to, that resistance comes up.
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I'm curious what your experience is working with people.
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Yeah, that's absolutely true.
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I would agree with that 100%.
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Comfort is very intoxicating.
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You want to hold on to that comfort and what you know really hard.
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And it's a terrifying process to let go of that.
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My own journey of that was scary.
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It felt hard for me.
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I was holding a lot of things.
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I was doing it all.
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And I felt like if I put anything down, we're not going to make it.
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And it can be that real.
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Like I've been there.
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I get that.
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The answer is in there if you sit in conversation with it for a minute, you
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already know, even though you don't want to know, you know, and just giving ourself
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permission, and the ability to trust that.
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And that sometimes takes time.
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You can have a quick breakthrough, of course, but developing that
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trust with your intuition, because that's really what it is, right?
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This whisper on your soul, these intuitive nudges, this calling you
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forward, everything that you think is possible, but you don't even know how.
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It takes a lot to develop a trusting relationship with that part of you
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that you haven't tuned into before.
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So sometimes it's a remembering, it's an undoing, it's a deconditioning,
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and sometimes it's just getting really uncomfortable in the unknown and
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developing a relationship of trust with what it is that you really want.
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I used to joke that I used to negotiate with my intuition really hard.
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I know what you're telling me to do, but if we could just put that on the
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calendar for this day instead of this day.
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Maybe we can do this in a couple of years, but not right now.
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Those were always harder battles to fight than just listening to
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what I was being called to do.
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Yeah, it took me a long time to fully surrender to it because my mind was always
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wanting to attach to something concrete.
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Something sure.
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I want to go that way, but how can I lay out the steps perfectly
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to make sure that I get there?
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There was always a part of me that was looking for it to be linear, and
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that is one of the things that I love about human design is that it does
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give you a framework for surrender.
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It says, your surrender is going to kind of look like this.
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You're a generator.
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You're going to surrender to an uh huh and uh uh.
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You're going to trust what feels good, even when it's scary.
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And that gives you a point of reference to say, when I trusted what felt good
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before, rather than trying to necessarily understand the intuitive guidance, because
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those whispers, that's another level of intuition and diving into and really
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trusting, what am I being told now?
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What are my whispers?
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But the interesting thing to me is that even with the process that we give
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you with human design, people will sit through readings with me and I'll tell
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them, this is your Incarnation Cross.
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This is your purpose.
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This is the storyline of your life.
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Here are these activations.
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I'll go through the whole thing of what their life looks like and they'll
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be like, what do I do to get there?
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And it's like, mm, yeah, that's kind of,
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Yes.
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I told you, you're a projector, you're gonna rest more.
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And they're like, oh, I can't do that.
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it's like, well, what did we do this for?
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And I'm not angry about it, it's just you have to point out, we've
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gotta get the monkey off your back.
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The addiction is to the way it's always been.
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And now we've got to trust in something that I get you haven't tested yet, and
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that's where I always wonder with your three line, were you able to attach
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to something new because you are such an experimenter, you are at the gift
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level detached from the outcome and just like, all right, I'm used to
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things not working out the first time.
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So here we go again.
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And there's just that built in resilience the three that someone like me, I
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have a one line where we want to know.
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Let me make sure that I have all the steps and I have everything written out in
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clear delineation, how this will all go.
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That's what a one line wants.
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The three lines just like, ah, screw it.
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Let's do it.
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Mm hmm.
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Let's try it.
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See what happens.
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I can completely appreciate that.
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And then also I am a Capricorn, so I do love a strategy and a
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to do list and boxes to check.
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So certainly, we have never been shown how to follow our purpose.
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This was never taught to us in school.
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You're not going to get a certificate at the end of this.
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And so a guide, I think, is really important, right?
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Like you or myself to really show them.
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And I think that by living an example of what's possible is first and
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foremost, where people can look and say, oh my gosh, maybe it is possible.
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How did you do that?
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And while I can't say the steps I took are going to be the steps that are going
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to work for you, I can certainly find a process that's going to help you find
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that method that's going to work for you.
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Do you think that's part of why we're seeing the pull away from traditional
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school, we're seeing the pull away from traditional work environments, and I
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always wonder, is it true that we can't really thrive in those environments,
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or is it just that perception where people are like, I've got to do my own
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thing in order to be my own person?
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Do you feel like some of the changes that we're seeing in the structures
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that we all work under, things pulling apart, the resistance to change, and
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people either leaving because change isn't happening in these structures.
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So they're like, I've got to go forge my own path.
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Entrepreneurship, I look at coaching and a lot of the training that I've
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done in my business as like college.
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It's a new form of college where I get to choose the curriculum, I'm
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picking my path, I'm choosing who I want to learn from, I'm not going to
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one university, I'm going to a few, and I'm putting that together to give me
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what I intuitively feel that I need.
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Now what's actually guiding those purchases can be different things.
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Sometimes it's not intuition, sometimes it's totally lack.
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But do you feel like from your own intuition, your own vibe, that maybe
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some of what we're seeing of the changes in what people are choosing
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now have to do with this more feminine path that we're pursuing.
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People listening to their intuition rather than what they've been told always.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think people aren't as willing as they used to be to put their health
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on the line for the sake of providing, or having that consistent pay check.
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I think people used to be very used to that.
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You just worked, you did everything you did for the company and
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your family almost came second.
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You were providing for your family, you putting your health
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and your relationships at risk.
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And I don't see people as willing to do that anymore.
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And I absolutely do think that there are large organizations that are doing
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things really well, and that they have a thriving impact on the inside of
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their organization and on the outside.
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And that is something I really discuss with my leaders and we dive deep into.
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The success isn't just all your outward output.
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It is the internal workings of your system.
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That you are having an equally good impact for the people inside your organization
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and outside of your organization.
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And there are those doing that.
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And we need those models in existence.
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But for those that look really successful on the outside, but we know that the inner
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workings of it are toxic and unhealthy.
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I just don't think that they can last.
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And they certainly aren't having the impact.
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And people notice, people are much more discerning now, they know, and
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they're looking for a better way.
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And it's going to take each of us individually, and each
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of us collectively to do that.
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And it sounds like a tall order, and it is, but I think the more we stay
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true to our values and our vision and that hope for the future, for the
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legacy that we're creating and building here, it's absolutely necessary.
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I totally agree what you're saying about the large organizations that
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are making attempts to change and to shift and to make it a beneficial
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environment for the people inside and outside of the corporation
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or outside of the organization.
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And I think that you're seeing that too with who they choose to bring into their
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organizations to help make that change.
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I think that's a real tell, are you bringing people in who are bringing
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more feminine leadership techniques, ways of tapping into yourself, and
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helping people access themselves, and caring about the employees as much
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as they care about their bottom line.
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And that's, I think, where you're starting to see who really means
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what they're saying, and who's just giving lip service to sound good.
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I see the change in a lot of these organizations, and I think that what we're
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going to see is the ones that survive and the ones that really learn to thrive in
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this new environment are going to have a different directive from the inside out.
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There's an intolerance for people just being cogs in a wheel.
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That I don't think the generations that are coming up
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now are going to tolerate that.
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They don't seem interested in just working for a company because it'll pay
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the bills or it'll give them benefits.
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Yeah.
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That's not the world I want for them.
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I have a lot of hope for them and happy to do what we can to carve that path.
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So tell everybody a little bit more about the work that you do specifically with
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your clients and the way that you weave this into the work that you do every day.
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Absolutely.
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I'm learning those lessons myself as I go and building the organization that I am,
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and working with women who really want to tap into their intuition, and answer the
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calling on their soul, and help them step into their highest self and their highest
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use of their energy and their gifts.
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And that's where it starts.
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These are women that really want to leave a lasting legacy and have a
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meaningful impact in the world and have a joyous experience along the way.
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We work one on one together, and we work in small, intimate groups
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together, and it's really about building that network of possibility
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and limitless possibility together.
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A lot of my work is founded in midwifery.
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That was my first career.
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My first calling was as a midwife and later on being
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diagnosed with breast cancer.
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I know the power that women hold within them, both intuitively,
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innately, what we were born with.
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I've seen women tap into it again and again during childbirth.
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I've seen them tap into it again and again, facing a breast cancer diagnosis,
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or even possibly leaving this earth and this body, and helping women tune into
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their sacred purpose in all of those moments and their sacred power and
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how they can show up using that power, whether or not they've had a child or
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they've had a scary health diagnosis.
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Knowing that power is always there within you to tap into.
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And that's really what the calling is right now, to be courageous
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enough to say yes to that calling.
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And to do it in community, I think, is really the most impactful way so
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that we can all look at each other in the eye and know we're not alone.
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Know that we can step into our own unique power and have that reflected back to us.
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And for me, I love working in community.
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One on one is fantastic and wonderful, but I think really a community
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of women is the old way, right?
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That's part of that remembering when we supported each other in community
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and brought our gifts to the table to really support and nourish each other.
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And I think that's honestly the way forward.
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I love you making that connection between midwifery and being able
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to birth this sacred purpose and being able to tap into that.
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Cause obviously we're talking about creation energy.
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And what women are able to do when they are giving birth, when women are fighting
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a difficult, sometimes life threatening diagnosis, what we're capable of.
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I sometimes think we forget just how powerful we are.
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And I love that you help women tap into that.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's the calling of our times and to get to witness it, I
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can't believe I get to do this.
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Because I see the power in women.
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I just see it.
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It's right there.
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And when I get to see them witness it for themselves, there's nothing better.
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It's a beautiful thing and I think that's one of the things that I resonate the
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most with, with the work that I get to do is seeing people step into that power.
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I think it can be kind of an overused term right now we hear, step into your
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power, be your most powerful self.
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truth is, when you start to recognize yourself, everything
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comes from that place.
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You make better decisions from that place of power.
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You feel powerful and people respond to that.
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I think that there's a frequency that you send off when you are in your
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own personal power, when you believe in yourself, when you're really,
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really grounded in who you are.
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I call this show Unshakeable for a reason because that's where
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everything comes from, my life changed when I became unshakeable,
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not because nothing touches me.
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And I say that all the time, we're not impervious, but we are unbreakable.
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We are unshakeable in the way that when something happens, I can handle anything.
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I've got this.
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And I think that childbirth is one of those moments of, you can handle anything.
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Because it is frightening.
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It is painful.
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There are moments, I'm sure, where every woman feels like,
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I don't know if I can do this.
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And then they do.
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Yeah, and it does help to have somebody there looking you in
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the eye going, I know you can.
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I know you can.
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And you know you can.
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And so let's do this.
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And I think you need that at every
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know, you're right though.
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You really do.
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And that's that community piece.
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That's how we do this.
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No, I love that.
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And I love what you do, and I love the message that you're bringing to the world,
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and the guidance that you're bringing to women to bring people together so that
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they're able to tap into what is innately theirs, that intuitive guidance that they
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have, and you're helping to usher in and birth this new paradigm of leadership that
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I think is really necessary in this world.
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And certainly necessary with the changes that are coming.
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And I think what we're all seeing right now is that there is a new dawn coming.
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You just have to have the courage to step into it, and that courage starts in you.
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So, thank you for being here.
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Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us, sharing your message with us.
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Can you tell everybody where they can stay in touch with you, and how they can
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learn more about you and what you do?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Thank you, Nicole.
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I am on Instagram.
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I am on LinkedIn, Lisa Malia.
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Instagram, my handle is @lovelisamalia.
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And my website, of course, LisaMalia.co.
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And hopefully in the show notes, there'll be a couple links here to come find me.
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But I love connecting with women.
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If you have any questions, just know that I'm an open book.
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Reach out to me, send me a voice memo.
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I'd love to connect.
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And I answer all my own messages.
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Let me know what resonated for you, what questions you have, or just what
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you're working through right now.
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If there's anything I can do to support you, I'm here for it.
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Thank you.
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Yes.
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And we will link all of it up in the show notes for you.
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We will always take care of you there.
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Just go to the show notes and click any of the links that we have there for Lisa
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and you'll be able to follow her there.
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