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SMNTY Classics: May Princess Leia Be With You (Part 2) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: I Never told your production of iHeart Radio, And welcome
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  Speaker 1: to our part two classic rerun.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Princess Leiah. Whether you celebrate Revenge of the fifth
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  Speaker 2: or Revenge of the sixth, because people disagree about which
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  Speaker 2: one is the better kind of rhyming scheme. Either way,
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  Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy this classic episode.
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  Speaker 3: Hey this Sanny and again Samantha, and.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to stuff I've Never told your production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 3: Always have to pretend like a surprise like I'm still here.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I love your tone of surprise always with you, the
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  Speaker 2: tone of surprise they have.
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  Speaker 3: You have to switch it up because you know why not?
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  Speaker 4: Definitely keep me and the listeners on our toes.
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  Speaker 2: I actually, how do you feel about a good like
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  Speaker 2: surprise or twist?
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  Speaker 4: In medias? At the.
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  Speaker 3: It's according to what kind of surprise or twist there is.
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  Speaker 3: Like I will say, if it gets too dark and
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  Speaker 3: I don't know there's a happy ending, I'm gonna quit.
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  Speaker 3: But if you tell me that's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: happy ending, I'll be better.
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  Speaker 4: I love a good surprise.
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  Speaker 2: And a good twist, like if it's if it's just
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous and unearned. I don't like that, right, But something
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  Speaker 2: like from these movies we're talking about today, Star Wars,
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  Speaker 2: I am your father.
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  Speaker 4: I would have loved to have had that surprise.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of like the I See Dead People.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah I did that too. I had. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I went through such a big sixth sense phase because
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  Speaker 2: I love horror, and good horror can sometimes be hard to.
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  Speaker 3: Find, right, and to be fair, you only can get
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  Speaker 3: that once. I know that's a sad part.
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  Speaker 2: But you you are someone who has watched movies with me,
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  Speaker 2: and movies that I love, and you know, I get
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  Speaker 2: reinvested every time as if I'm like you.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like you get surprised again, like the way
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  Speaker 3: you're so invested that when I look at your face, you're.
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  Speaker 4: Like, oh, oh.
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  Speaker 3: My gosh, that I truly believe that it's the first
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  Speaker 3: time you've seen it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've wondered about that. And I had a
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  Speaker 2: friend who kind of like interviewed me.
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  Speaker 5: She said, so, tell me, why is it every time
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  Speaker 5: we watch these movies you've seen hundreds of times together,
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  Speaker 5: you act as though you've never seen it.
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  Speaker 2: And I was trying to explain that. For me, it's
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  Speaker 2: almost like I can count on these feelings and stations.
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  Speaker 2: It gives me every time, and that's why I keep
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  Speaker 2: watching them and I love those. It's almost like writing
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  Speaker 2: a roller coaster. I love writing roller coasters. Write a
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  Speaker 2: million times.
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  Speaker 3: And if you knew, it's true, because when we've written
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  Speaker 3: ride together, you do act like it's a new thing
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  Speaker 3: for you. You're so excited about it in advance. So
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  Speaker 3: for you, when we were talking about the Star Wars
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  Speaker 3: that was the first time you wrote it, what was
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  Speaker 3: your feels other than because the initial was that you
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  Speaker 3: were so excited that you almost tore, like you almost
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  Speaker 3: had tears in your You did have tears in your
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  Speaker 3: eyes as you were like, we're going to write it.
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  Speaker 3: What was your feel after the fact that you wrote
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  Speaker 3: it for the first time? You were quiet?
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  Speaker 4: I was quiet.
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  Speaker 5: I was like almost euphoria, just a relief and a
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  Speaker 5: happiness that we did this.
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  Speaker 2: I've been so worried about it. I thought we would
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  Speaker 2: never make it happen. And it was around two pm
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  Speaker 2: that we finally got to write it, and it was Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe that it happened.
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  Speaker 4: All these things could have gone wrong, and we.
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  Speaker 3: Did, and we were we were kind of scared that
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  Speaker 3: it was going to go wrong, whether it was weather,
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  Speaker 3: whether it was being backed up, whether it would break down.
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  Speaker 3: Because also I had this experience with you with the
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  Speaker 3: Hagrid Rod Yes, and I was like, we can't leave
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  Speaker 3: here without you actually writing this ride, because I think
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  Speaker 3: that would have been one of the biggest disappointments for
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  Speaker 3: you and for me to see you write it, to
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  Speaker 3: see you after the fact and the stories that you had. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but it's kind of that same level.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am so glad you were like, you have
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  Speaker 2: to write this ride.
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  Speaker 4: No better what I.
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  Speaker 3: Really know, I wasn't gonna let you leave without that.
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  Speaker 2: I love how supportive you are. It's one of my
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  Speaker 2: favorite things about you. You made sure that happened, and
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  Speaker 2: I am so glad that I wrote that.
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  Speaker 3: Right, I will say, you make it easy because I
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  Speaker 3: know what you love. Yes, And that's like first and
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  Speaker 3: foremost one of the things that I love about my friends.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, when we read the listener letter
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  Speaker 3: about her friend doing the Harry Potter, she actually tweeted
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  Speaker 3: her friend tweeted about how much she loved her friend
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  Speaker 3: for doing that. That is the stuff that I love
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  Speaker 3: about women loving women and our female supporting females. But
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  Speaker 3: that is what I see, like, I'm like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: Annie has to do this because she loves it. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: I love to teach you and be like, no, it's
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  Speaker 3: never happening. But just watching this movie, just seeing you
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  Speaker 3: on these rise, this passion. I don't know if I've
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  Speaker 3: ever felt passionate like that, and you do, and it's
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  Speaker 3: fun to watch.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad because, as I said in the last one
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  Speaker 2: in part one of our Princess Leah Star Wars Overview,
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  Speaker 2: I've been embarrassed about it.
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  Speaker 4: Like still to this day, I struggle with it.
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  Speaker 2: I think fandom is more accepted now, but when I
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  Speaker 2: was younger, I definitely felt like a weirdo.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: And even my older brother, who loved Star Wars, he
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  Speaker 2: would make fun of me for liking Star Wars and
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  Speaker 2: he said I was too into it and it was strange,
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  Speaker 2: and luckily for me, I was too in it to
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  Speaker 2: be deterred.
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  Speaker 3: And I love that. I think people who love things
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  Speaker 3: are genuinely you know who they are, yeah, And to me,
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  Speaker 3: they are die hard and loyal and loyalty is really
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  Speaker 3: hard to find.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that fandom certainly can be toxic, and
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about that before.
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  Speaker 4: And I am someone who.
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  Speaker 2: I'm able to separate the things that I love about
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars in particular, or anything that I do really love,
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  Speaker 2: the good things and the bad things. And like, sure,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like this movie, but that doesn't ruin everything
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  Speaker 2: else for me. And I know for some people it does, right,
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  Speaker 2: but for me it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: And just to put this out there, loving anything too much, yes,
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  Speaker 3: obsession is dangerous, yes, But to be able to love
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  Speaker 3: something it is a genuinely good thing. And for those
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  Speaker 3: who support friends, those who uh for me like I Again,
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  Speaker 3: I think I've talked about this before about attachment issues.
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  Speaker 3: I don't quite understand this level of this bond, but
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  Speaker 3: I love it when I see it because I wish
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  Speaker 3: I could be as in it as you are.
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  Speaker 2: Well you, I'm so glad it met so much to
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  Speaker 2: me that you watched these the feed and you shared
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  Speaker 2: it with me, because yeah, we are.
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  Speaker 4: This is our part two of.
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  Speaker 2: Our epic Star Wars Princess Leiah Feminism Overview. Please go
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: check out part one if you haven't listened to it already,
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  Speaker 2: in which we talk about the cultural impact of Star
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: Wars in Leia, and we did the plot overview of
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  Speaker 2: a New Hope and Impire strikes back from the original
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  Speaker 2: trilogy because we're mostly focusing on those, and today we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna start with Return of the Jedi, which is the
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  Speaker 2: final one in this original it's much maligned. It was
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  Speaker 2: my favorite as a kid. It's still my second favorite,
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  Speaker 2: and you can judge me for that if you want.
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  Speaker 2: But Imperi stikes Pact number one turned the Jedi Hope.
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  Speaker 3: So in Retard of the Jedi, Leah poses as a
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  Speaker 3: bounty hunter to infiltrate Jaba's palace to save Han, which
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  Speaker 3: by the way, I didn't know who Jaba was, and
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  Speaker 3: he had to tell me who the Green Slide was.
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  Speaker 3: I got it. I got it. And a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people joke that she is on a mission to save
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  Speaker 3: her prince. I agree with that, but it's found out
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  Speaker 3: after freeing Han from carbonite and enslaved by Jaba, changed
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  Speaker 3: by his side, which is the scene and that I know, yes,
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  Speaker 3: this is where Slave Leah and the metal bikini comes in. That,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I get it. It was very sexist, but
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  Speaker 3: damn she looked good in it. She did. She looked good, which,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, again was one of the three scenes
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  Speaker 3: that I knew about. Of course everyone knows about that,
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  Speaker 3: I guess one. So Luke Han and Chewey are sent
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  Speaker 3: us to death as they fight their way out, and
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  Speaker 3: Leah strangles Jaba with her chase because she is a badass,
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  Speaker 3: and she kills him with the tools of her oppression
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  Speaker 3: and escapes. And by the way, I think I did
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  Speaker 3: make a few comments about how Chewy looked really rough
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  Speaker 3: in DC.
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  Speaker 2: He did, and I always forget that possibly someone doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know my level of nerd them, and I know you
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  Speaker 2: had to deal with that, because I'll just forget, like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you don't know all these things that I just know.
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  Speaker 4: Uh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Java is kind of this big crime lord who Han
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  Speaker 2: had a big debt to and so after we got
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  Speaker 2: frozen in carbonite, got sent to Java hanging on his
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  Speaker 2: wall like an ornament.
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  Speaker 3: So I learned about the Mandalorian at this point.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I ever explained that properly to you,
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  Speaker 4: but yes, because.
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  Speaker 3: Well I think if you didn't, my partner Joe tried to,
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  Speaker 3: and I was just like staring back and forth at
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  Speaker 3: both of you. So I learned about the two of them.
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  Speaker 3: I also learned that the original clunky scene.
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  Speaker 4: Was due to Java, right, uh, yeah, well it's the Gredo.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: Who's Holly Fryes super fan, Holly fries favorite character.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not calling her super fan, she's super she is
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  Speaker 5: an expert. You're right, we should give her the respect
• 10:19
  Speaker 5: she is new. Yeah, yeah, I actually have a whole thing.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm going to come back to this once we
• 10:27
  Speaker 5: get to the newer movies. But I'm not sure you're
• 10:30
  Speaker 5: aware of this, Samantha, but a lot of people love
• 10:33
  Speaker 5: Boba Fett, who is the bounty hunter that that looks
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  Speaker 5: like the Mandalorian, And I just think he's bad at
• 10:41
  Speaker 5: his job.
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  Speaker 3: And well, I did keep asking where's the baby?
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  Speaker 4: Yes you did.
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  Speaker 3: What's his name?
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  Speaker 4: Well everyone calls him baby Yoda, which is not baby Wrecked.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, well I just and so therefore, because I
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  Speaker 3: know about Baby Yoda and the popularity and the cuteness
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: of Baby Yoda, I called everything baby something.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I didn't mean for that to sound judgmental. That
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  Speaker 2: everyone gets I also call it baby.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's unjudgmental. It is exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 3: I who knows nothing of Star Wars. No no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: super cute and then everything is baby something.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I appreciated it. So yeah, yeah, there's big crime.
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  Speaker 2: Lord Leah kills him. When Carrie Fisher was asked if
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  Speaker 2: she wanted a stunt double to kill Jaba.
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  Speaker 4: She's like, hell no, I want to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And this is probably the scene that causes the
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  Speaker 2: most feminist discussion kind of ire. It was definitely a
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  Speaker 2: way of catering to the male gaze, although it is
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  Speaker 2: worth pointing out that when these movies themselves came out,
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  Speaker 2: they were not seen as four men and boys.
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  Speaker 4: That came later, that came around the time of Return
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  Speaker 4: of the Jedi.
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  Speaker 3: I think this is a scene that I was like, oh, look,
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: there's the one Asian girl.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But we talked about this in our Star Wars Feminism
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: episode and her Action Figures episode about how this series
• 12:09
  Speaker 2: sort of got really drawn into as part of the
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: fact that merchandising was such a big part of it,
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: the rebranding in the nineties of this is for Boys
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: and this is for girls, and it was firmly set
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: aside as this is for boys and slave, Leia is
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  Speaker 2: absolutely serving this cause this became instant sex symbol, and
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: this is the image that many publications use of her.
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  Speaker 2: Even My Fancy Star Wars Encyclopedia in their entry.
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  Speaker 4: For Laya, that is the image that they use, and.
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  Speaker 2: It was the image they used on the nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 2: three cover of The Rolling Stones in Return of the
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: Jedi was announced. It has inspired so much cosplay it
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: has a cult following of its own, despite having only
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  Speaker 2: two minutes of screen time. That is one of the
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: three things that you knew about this movie is very
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  Speaker 2: revealing because it's two minutes or less. Fisher has spoken
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  Speaker 2: about how miserable it was to film these scenes and
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  Speaker 2: how the mail crew mocked her. That dignity was out
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  Speaker 2: of the question, as she said, and it was made
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  Speaker 2: of metal, or at least one of them was, so
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  Speaker 2: it didn't really move with her. One version was made
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  Speaker 2: of rever, but she had to be very careful about
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  Speaker 2: how she moved, and she's expressed her annoyance that the
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  Speaker 2: costume has been taken out of context of that scene
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  Speaker 2: becoming synonymous with sexy. A parent even recently complained that
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  Speaker 2: the Leya in a metal bikini toy was being sold
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  Speaker 2: at Target that it was too sexy, when if you
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  Speaker 2: think about what's happening in those scenes, it's horrendous, and
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  Speaker 2: Leah's expression of contempt and rage communicates her feelings about it,
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  Speaker 2: and the fact that she ultimately kills the one who
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  Speaker 2: tried to take power from her and Jaba, her captor,
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  Speaker 2: and the one viewing her as a.
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  Speaker 4: Sex object is objectively gross. He's gross.
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  Speaker 2: He kind of serves as a stand in for those
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  Speaker 2: that would objectify her, and you do not want to
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  Speaker 2: be Java. He's leering, his tongue is rolling out. Almost
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  Speaker 2: every scene with Leah in this outfit comes with Java
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  Speaker 2: in the background or reminder that if you're fantasizing about
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  Speaker 2: this non consensual situation, well you have something in common
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  Speaker 2: with this disgusting creature right here. This is something people
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: often ignore or forget. What they remember of all Leah
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: has done is that she was really hot in that bikini,
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: and that is so frustrating. It's something we as women
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: see all the time. We can lead a rebellion for
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: three movies but still be remembered for when we were
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  Speaker 2: at our weakest and most humiliated, and the fact that
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: she is known here as slave Leah, which is never
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: used in the script. By the way, that's something culture
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: and fans assigned to her and not just Leyah is
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: disturbed and very indicative. A lot have accused George Lucas
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: of having his cake and eating it too, of catering
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  Speaker 2: to the mailgize while also condemning it.
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  Speaker 3: Right. So, there is an episode of Friends where Rachel
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: dresses up in the metal bikini for ross. I guess
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  Speaker 3: it's called the one with the Princess Leah fantasy, and
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: there are slave Leya burlesque routines, billy dancing routines, and
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: strip routines. Also collectors items and toys, which is all yuck.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do like some of the dance and burlesque
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: routines or reclaim it, which is really cool as like
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: a power power scene. I personally prefer dressing up as
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Leah to get out of jury duty on thirty Huck,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: even though she shouldn't be embarrassed for cosplay, I say,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: as I'm in cosplay, and Carrie Fisher's guest appearance on
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: that show is fantastic.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: It is so good. It's probably one of my favorite episodes,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: especially with the whole icon of her being a writer
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  Speaker 3: and a strong female writer for a field that is
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: dominated by men in her age, so like it was
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: just so stacked. There's so many layers to that episode
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  Speaker 3: with Carrie Fisher and also Carrie Fisher as a comedian. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: she is amazing, Her timing is freaking.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing, fantastic, fantastic. That one's called Rosemar's Baby, if anyone
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: has missed it, and there's a lot. There's a lot
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: of debate in the Star Wars community about whether jab
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: assaulted Leah in this scene. The consensus seems to be no,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: that the outfit was his way of taking away her power.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: There's also a lot of informal research on why the
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: costume has resonated so much with women and why so
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  Speaker 2: many women cosplay it. Dancer Amir Sayid, who has used
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  Speaker 2: the outfit in her tears, have said quote, Jaba put
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  Speaker 2: her into the outfit to humiliate her, but Leah was
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: such a strong character her will made the costume empowering.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and some fans have rebranded Slave Leah as Leah
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: the Hutslayer, as they should, and Amy Schumer poked fun
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  Speaker 3: at this in a photo shoot as well. Yes, yes,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: and as you have told me a couple of times,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: and any k Fisher advised you Star Wars actress Daisy
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Ridley not to let them put her in a bikini,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: and apparently that was a wise statements.
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  Speaker 2: And I do want to throw in here just a note.
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  Speaker 2: This is still hotly debated. I have read arguments that
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Leah killing Jaba is not empowering. I've read so many
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: that it is. I think a part of the problem
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: is the way mostly masculine fan culture around Star Wars
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: tries to reduce things like she was rescued on the
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: desk star, which is technically true, but misses the whole
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: context of the saying it she was a sexy prisoner
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  Speaker 2: of Java, which again, it just doesn't have the context.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know how you let go of the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: fact that she killed him. She killed her prisoner. I
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  Speaker 3: think that overpowers the fact that she was a sexy prisoner.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: If she was able to kill him and get away
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  Speaker 3: with it and become the princess.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, she's ah, I love it, get him leyah Uh.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Leah after that joins the ground team to destroy the
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: shield generators.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: I know this is a lot of technical speak.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: It's not super important, so that the rebellion can destroy
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the Death Star volunteering after she learns that Han is
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: leading this group and her surprise, and to her surprise
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: is a general accepting a position and a cause important
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: to her that he for a long time a shirt
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: And this is when he's proved his commitment his love,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and she shows hers by trusting his leadership at I mean,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: at the start of the movie, she never would have
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: trusted Han to lead anything.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's handsome, but he's kind of dumb.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: He has a lot of growing up to do, for sure.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: And Han does not try to sideline her protect her.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: He's happy she wants to be on his team.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: He knows she's useful and very competent, and I do
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: love She's not really defined by this.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Relationship, and she doesn't lose herself in it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: She acknowledges what she wants and needs and accepts the
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: fact that she does in fact have those things, and
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: that's okay. She goes on to lead a speeder chase
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: after some Stormtroopers, is separated from the group and fights
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: all some enemies and joins the Ewoks, which are the
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: little teddy bear.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I call them teddy bears.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: You also, I feel like you kept mixing up wookies
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: in ewoks.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: I did. I did, absolutely, Even now as we talk
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: about it, I won't say either one of those honestly,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: because I don't know which is which.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: That's totally fair. It's totally fair.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I just called them the cute things.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have understood. Again, I can translate your
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Star Wars speak.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: The interesting thing is like to prove the point of
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: how successful merch was for these movies, E Walks never
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: said in the movie Wampa, the ice creature from Empire
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: strikes Back, that is my fan fiction name.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Never said name or never not in credit.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: So I didn't know what a wampa was until you
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: showed me. I know, and I can guarantee if you
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: gave me a pictures of all of these things, I
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: probably would get one out of three.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, you better be ready because there's a quiz
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: at the end. Oh no, I'm just kidding kind of Okay.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Then, Luke, I've seen the outline.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: There's quizzes. Don't look ahead in my outline.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Luke goes on to tell her that she is Luke's
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: twin sister and Darth Vader, her past tormentor in arch Nemesis,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: is their dad, and she tells Luke to run away,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: that she she wishes she could go with him, but
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: he immediately calls her bluff. He says, you've always been strong, Leah,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and some as we alluded to in the part one
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: of this, some people take issue with this scene that
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: she didn't have a bigger reaction to the revelation that
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: this person who tortured me and was very instrumental in
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the blowing off my home planet is my father, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: she does have more experience because of that than Luke
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: does with Darth Vader. But I feel like if she had,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: people would have taken issue with that too. She's being
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: too emotional. It does to me seem in keeping with
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: her character that she takes it in stride.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I will say, I will say you to that, like
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I think people, as an adopted woman, myself an adopted girl,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that you understand and even
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: though there's an idealization. Again I'm getting too literal with this,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: but there's an understanding that there's a reason you're not
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: with your biological and of course this is a dramatic
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: version of he's evil and he did things to you.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: But in actuality, the truth of the matter is that
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: the reason that you were not with your biological parent,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: there is a component of not necessarily evil, but a
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: dark side. So I will say for me, it made sense.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: And I'm someone who when I get news that i'm
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I know is big and I'm gonna have an emotional response,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I usually have a pretty delayed response.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I think that's me too. I am one of those
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: that sits calmly and then walks away and reacts after
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the fact. I've been called out for that a couple
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: of times.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I have too.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I had a two friends tell me that, you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: they've been dating forever and they thought that I was
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't believe them or I was mad at them
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: because I didn't have a bigger reaction, but I just
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I took it and stride and I like to I
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: like to think over things and make sure I'm responding
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: in a way that captures how I feel and.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: What I think. So I guess I sort of connected
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: with her on that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people have said she's she's playing chess,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: she's doing alliance versus Empire in her head. Meanwhile, Luke
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: is doing a much more personal battlefield so it has
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: a bigger impact on him. So moving on, she fights
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: alongside Han and Chewey and is slightly injured but keeps going.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: She gets to flip the I love you I know
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: on Han. The heroes are victorious, a party ensues. She
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: is and Carrie Fisher herself has said this she is
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: more supportive and feminine in this one, completing her arc
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: of allowing herself to lean on others to be more vulnerable.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: I also like the flip that she did with or
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: not necessarily she, but the writer, I don't know who
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: did it on the fact that he's the one that's
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: insecure about the relationship and she's the one who's like,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: calm down, is not what you think.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: And I do love that moment.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I have never because I'm not into romance, I've never
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: really given much thought to the Han and Lance relationship,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: but I did, like, I read an article specifically for this,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: and they were kind of saying what you saying, Samantha's
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: it's a sort of a flip because then Emperor strikes
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: back too. She's the one that's sort of having intimacy
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: commitment issues, and Han's the one trying to get her
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: to admit, you know you, he wants, he needs something.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I think we see so many films with women being
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: in the triangle and be like as cool as cool,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I'll be the best friend, I'll do this or whatever right,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: and she's and she's the one. No, No, calm down,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: you're being emotional. It's okay, you're reading the things. It's
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: not what you think.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I had to put this in there. Samantha
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: heard my holes feel I'll try to shorten it, though.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I have a beef that Darth Vader's last words are
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: tell your sister you were right about me. Man, you
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: tortured her, dude, And those are some pretty selfish last
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: words say.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I will say, first thing, and he told me right
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: after that scene, right after that scene, and I will say,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: not necessarily to me, I think she was just making
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: an outright statement.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Was that's oh no, that's what.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: No, you're still a bad guy. You tortured her. That
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: that was the initial statement that I kind of looked at.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: I was like, you're right, you're absolutely this does not
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: justify what you did to her.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: No, I'm cladding on my side, I am, and I
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: did just want to put this in here because.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: It does come up in a lot of feminist essays
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: about Princess Leah, which you would not believe how many
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: there are.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Maybe you would.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: It's Vagerder's threat to turn Lea to the dark side
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: that goes Luke into attacking Darth Vader, cutting off Vader's
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: hands and almost losing himself his hands and almost losing
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: himself to the dark side.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Some interpret that as sort of the whole hero I
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: mean to justify violence or.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so put that out there, and then moving
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: on to the new the new Ones, which we're again
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: not going to talk about too much. You can hear
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: more about that in Our especially the Last Jedi's feminism, uh,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: in Our feminism and Star Wars episode because that movie
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: really does have a lot going on when it comes
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: to feminism. But Leya reprised by Carrie Fisher.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: By the way, I did not see this, so all
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: of this is just conjecture from my point of view.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: No, but I would love, like I won't make you
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: watch it, but I would love to just tell you
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: what happens in it, because it's kind of shocking how
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: much feminist dialogue is in it okay, so Leya reprised
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: by Carrie Fisher. She's the one that stays. So These
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: take place a couple of decades after the original trilogy
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: and Han has left. Luke is socially distancing way before
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: it was cool, but Leya stayed to lead the fight
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: against the First Order, which is the New Empire, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: her son is a member of that. And it's revealed
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that she was trained by Luke to be a Jedi,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: but she had a vision that if she completed her training,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: her son would die, so she.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Gave it up. No spoilers.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: When it was announced that she would return, of course,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the lot of internet was like she's too oh, sho's
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: too fat. On the flip side, people were really worried
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: that she'd just be a token or a cameo, but
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: she's running the whole show. She definitely teaches Flyboy Po
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: a valuable lesson about listening to and respecting women in
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the Last Jedi, even though a lot of people did
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: not like it. When asked what she wanted fans to
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: take away from Leya in the new movies, Fisher said,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: never give up. Fisher was also very outspoken that Leah
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: remained a strong character for the generations who had grown
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: up looking up to her, and for new generations as well.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: To stay true to Princess Leiah and the fans of
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Princess Leah. And to Twitter trolls commenting on her looks
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and age, Carrie Fisher responded, please start debating about whether
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: or not I have aged well. Unfortunately, it hurts all
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: three of my feelings. My body has an aged well
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: as I have. Youth and beauty are not accomplishments, their
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: temporary happy by products of time and or DNA. Don't
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: hold your breath for either. Also, here's another controversial thing
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I want to say, because this causes a lot of
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: argument in the Star Wars fan community.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Kyler Renn is a bad Jedi. I'm just gonna leave
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: that there.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Like people like to complain that Ray was too good,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: too fast, maybe Kyler Renn was just bad.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Have we ever thought about that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I would just like to say once again, the Stormtroopers
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: and the damn guns, they did not use them because
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: it never touched people. I'm just very confused with what
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: they were used for other than a laser show. Because
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: other than bring a little smoke here and there. It
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: rarely killed someone. I don't understand how bad they are
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: at aim and why they are stormtroopers if they can't
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: aim a laser.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: That is a running joke in the series, and I
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: loved watching it with you as someone who hadn't seen
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: it and just seeing you immediately pick up on it.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Why has no one hit any of them? If there's
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: twenty of them with laser guns and three of them
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: with two guns, why.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're just bad or see. My theory is maybe
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: their hearts weren't in it and they were just pretending.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Maybe they were like they just wanted a laser show, right, Yeah,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, to be fair, I feel like none of
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: the good guys were able to hit the bad guys either,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Like it was very fair. You know who did really well?
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: E Walks and rocks, Yeah, spears.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they got them one e walk died rip,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: but then they got them with vines and rocks. That's
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: all I'm saying.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean that's one of the reasons people
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: really don't like Return of the Jedi. But yes, so
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: in the Legends Universe, which is all the books that
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: came out after the movies and books and comics and
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: everything that Disney has now said is not canon. So
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it's called Legends. But in that she becomes a Jedi
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and a leader of the New Republic. Oh my gosh,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: we could talk so much, or I could, because I've
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: read all these things about Lea in Legends.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: But then this episode never end.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And I did ask her to end it at page
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: twenty two.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: She did, She stepped in, she put the foot down,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: So thanks Samantha for that. Listeners.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: There's political marriages, there's a whole book called the Courtship
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: of Princess Leiah. There's multiple kidnappings, pheromone seduction which scared
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: me as a kid, forgiveness, forgiveness. When Luke turns to
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the dark side, Lea resists similar temptations, and it's able
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: to turn Luke back side. Uh he did in one
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: of the books. Oh yeah, and I went into all
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: the Luke Skywalker clone whose name is Luke with two us.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: That's also in the books. It's one of my favorites.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: In fact, too, Lukes, this can't get any better.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I'm not ready for all of this.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, So that's sort of a very uh somehow both
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: very long and very short runout of the plot of
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: these movies. So now we're going to talk about feminism
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and Princess Leiah. But first we're gonna pop for a
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: quick break for word from our sponsor, and we're back.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Thank you, sponsor. So, as we said in part one,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Princess Leah is widely regarded as a feminist icon. There's
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: even something called Leyah feminism. Carrie Fisher herself has described
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Princess Leah as a huge feminist icon. In response to
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: those that call her a damsel in distress in movies,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: she said she bost them around. I don't know what
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: your idea of distresses, but that wasn't it. And I
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: wasn't some babe running around the galaxy with my spouncing around,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: so I wasn't threatening to women. Carrie Fisher was instrumental
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: in this characterization of Leah. She was a Hollywood script
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: fixer and she was very involved in making Leyah what
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: she was. She said she loved Leah, she loved her feiciness,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the fact that she killed Jab of the Hut, and
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: her the Princess Diarist. She wrote that she was quote
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: honored to be Leah's representative here on Earth. She has
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: often said that she was Leah and Leyah was her
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: and I love that. I love when you find an
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: actor who embraces this right.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: I think it's I.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: Think it was because she created it, so she loved it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: It was a part of her exactly. When this character debuted,
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: there weren't many strong female role models in movies and television.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Most female characters served as decorations or prizes to be one.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: Leah was vastly different when compared to other princesses at
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: the time, and still is in many ways. She was
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: our first badass princess in pop culture, and especially important
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: when we think about entertainment aim towards children. Because these
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: were seen as children's movies, she became an instant icon
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: for girls and women. She defied stereotypes about women and
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: princesses and what they could do in the new movies.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Her title is general. In the early days, women ran
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: star wars, fanzunes, and fan clubs.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I'm in.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Some second wave feminists criticized Princess Leah when the film
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: came out for her masculine traits. This was during the
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Vietnam War, when masculinity was associated with war and violence.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: And people had a lot of anxiety around that. Take
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: this quote from a nineteen eighty five Time article, masculinity
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: itself becomes a horror all rage and aggression and reptilian brain.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Second wave feminism was largely founded alongside the anti war movement.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Lea was a military leader and orchestrated battles that led
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: to many deaths. When she wasn't doing that, she was
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: a prisoner of war, so she was at odds with
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: this anti war part of second wave feminism. It was
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: really young girls at the time that latched onto her
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: as a role model, and a lot of those girls
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: became third wave feminist, which didn't have as strong of
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: an anti military bent, and they bought their life of
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Leah with them. This is also around the time of
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the sexual Revolution, Roe v. Wade and the backlash to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: all of that, which in part explains the rebanding of
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Star Wars as a dude thing uh and the Gold Bikini, which,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: since it was the last movie, happened a little later,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: even though girls and women had been fans of Star
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Wars since the very beginning. JJ Abrams made this mistake
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: recently on Good Morning America that the original trilogy was
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: for boys, and the backlash rolls into it.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: It should be.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Another related criticism from earlier reviews about Leo was that
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: she was a damsel in distressed slash love address so
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: while at the same time complaining she liked femininity and
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: uh huh, because what doesn't makes sense.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: I guess that's another point of view. You're damned if
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: you do, dan if you don't.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: It really is because she can rescue people. But if
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: she shows any femininity, that means that she is a damsel.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: But if she is too assertive, then she lacks it. Yeah,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I will say I think that's been a debate in
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: my head how to be a female, especially in specific
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: cultural ideas of what feminism is not feminism feminine trait
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: is versus what feminism is that it has to be
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: at odds. When that's not true, we can actually fight
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: for our own rights with the availability of being feminine.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. I don't bake things, I don't
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: make things, and I'm not super cutesy girly. Sometimes I
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: wish I were. However, I also cannot figure out how
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: to work mechanics on things.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I do know how to change a tire. I will
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: say that's awesome. Yeah, well, and that's when we're going
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: to talk about this more in a minute. But that's
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: one thing people actually did really like about Leaves that
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: she was really as sortive character but also was still feminine.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: So from Diana Dominguez and her work feminism and the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: force empowerment and disillusion meant in a galaxy far far away,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: here was a woman who could play like and with
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: the boys, but who didn't have to become one of
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the boys, and who could if and when she wanted
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: to show she liked the boys. A woman who is outspoken, unashamed,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: and most importantly, unpunished for being so. She isn't a
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: flirty sex spot tossing her hair around seductively to distract
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the enemy. She doesn't play the role of maternal caretaker,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: although she does display caring and compassion, or the sweet
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: innocent damsel who stands passively by while the men do
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: the work, but does step aside to let them do
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: what they're good at when it is wise to do so.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Leah is a hero without losing her gendered status. She
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: does not have to play the cute, helpless sex kitten
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: or become the sexless androgynist to get what she wants.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: She can be strong, sassy, outspoken, bossy and bitchy and
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: still be respected and seen as feminine. And then there's
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: a tweet from Hooveyan Feminism about Leah and the importance
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: of Star Wars. Leah was a different type of princess
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: than those in most movies shown to girls my age.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: She was a polite and military leader. It showed me
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: a girl who was like me, rough and tumble and
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: loud and brash and demanding.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: That felt unique and rare at the time.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Star Wars and Leah and Padmey became fundamental parts of
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: my childhood and identity. They showed me it was okay
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: to just be me. If you're wondering, Samantha, I'm sure
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: you're not. But Padmey is Luke and Lea's mother.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Actually I was wondering. I was trying to figure out
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: who that was. But I was being quiet, like, did
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I miss that part in the movie.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: You will definitely show up on the quiz No, no,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: no no, that was the prequel series.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, Oh wait, that is that the Nellie Portman character. Okay, Okay,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't know her name.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, got it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, The character Leah became a symbol of women's protest
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: marches worldwide, easily the most referenced pop culture character on
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: protest signs. A women's place is in the resistance, for example,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: a rebel rebel with her picture. Mark Hamill even tweeted
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: about it. I know where she stood, You know where
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: she stood. Such an honor to see her standing with
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: you today, bigly you Yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: So. After Carrie Fisher's death in late twenty sixteen, right
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: after the tumultuous election her daughter Billy Lord, which, by
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: the way, after watching the originals like, oh yeah, they
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: are so similar in features, she wrote, Leah is more
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: than just a character. She's a feeling. She is a strength.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: She is grace, she is wit, She is femininity at
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: its fineness, and no one could have played her like
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: my mother. Princess Leiah is Carrie Fisher. Carrie Fisher is
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Princess Leiah. The two go hand in hand.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful. Fisher's openness about her struggles with bipolar
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: disorder and addiction were groundbreaking. She was outspoken about sexism,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: about mental illness, about agism. She was funny, her unwillingness
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to sit down and be quiet, we're aspiring, and she
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: infused so much of that into Leah, and that's what
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: may Leah is such a powerful impactful character for so many.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: And I just want to put in here because I
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: don't think you know, I know, you don't know. So
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Carrie Fisher actually made a cameo on Sex and the
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: City and in that level of Carrie Bradshaw, who was
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: played by Sarah Jessica Parker, she talks about the fact
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: that there are two Carries who are writers. And at
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: that point in time, Carrie was seen as a phenomenal
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: writer as well because her words were so impactful and
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: powerful this time. So yes, you can put this into
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: your graph. She was actually acknowledged as a feminine icon
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: in Sex and the City.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: All right, you know.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: One of the first cameos I saw her in was
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Screamed three, where she also was still having some commentary
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: about hollywood It's treatment of women.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: So there you go. After her death, Christina J.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Widmyer wrote a paper called the Feminist stra Back Performative
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Mourning in the Twitter response to Carrie Fisher's death about
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: the performative grief around it on Twitter and the feminism
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: it attracted. They were takedowns of dudes who were like,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: rip my first boner and about how she was so
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: much more than just so many Steve Martin even got
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: in trouble for this, although it was much less boni
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: or more about her looks, but that she was so
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: much more and I wanted to read a quote from it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Many of these tweets become feminists not only because their
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: authors are expressing certain views of Leah as a character
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: and Fisher as a person, but also because they are
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: utilizing beformativity so that their grief furthers a social agenda.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: They are, in fact using their tweets as a means
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: of carrying Ford Fisher's legacy of activism, and they do
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: so by challenging patriarchal means of mourning and reintroducing Fisher's
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: activist leanings through their tweets. In this sense, they engage
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: in a performative goal, both as individuals performing themselves and
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: as a collective performing a community value. It is through
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: these performatives that divisions in the fan community are revealed
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: and negotiated. That was actually really good read.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I enjoyed it.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Writer and Tat's tweeted this thread after Carrie Fisher's death
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: about General Organa. She's not young, not wearing a gold
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: bikini ar robe. She's dressed to do what she's been
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: training her whole life to do, lead the rebellion. This
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: is the Layah that has lost everything, her world, her parents,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: her son to the dark side, her brother to who
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: knows where, her lover. This is the Laya that could
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: easily have been broken down or given up, but she
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: was stronger than literally every man in her life.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: She kept going.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: When I see Fisher as General Organa, I see a
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: woman who has put up with so much from so
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: many men, and yet keeps showing up for them. Princess
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Leiah was great, but General Organa was Fisher's real gift
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: to us, And she's who I'm going to be looking
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: to in dark times. May we all be able to
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: get up every day and in spite of our pain
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: and loss and fear, put on our boots and vest
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and plan to destroy the empire. General Organa taught me that,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: ye you don't have to be special or chosen.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: To be a leader. You just have to show up
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: and learn and do the work.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: And then another fan, Isaac Breen, tweeted, honor Carrie Fisher,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: normalize mental illness and its treatments, take life a little
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: less seriously, destroy a fascist regime, right.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: And I think that's how I know her myself, as
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: an amazing writer who spoke truths whether or not you
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: wanted it, who had amazing comedic timing and enable to
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: have a conversation and making jokes and making a light
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: of hard issues that she had to deal with to
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: normalize for people who can't deal with it, which we
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: shouldn't have to do, but she was able to do
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: it as an art form as well as proceed into
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: a culture where she came from a time period where
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to be feminine, you're supposed to be these things,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: and could have leaned into I was pretty let me
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: leave it at that. It came out full forces. I
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: have words, I have thoughts, I have strength. I have
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: a mother who had to deal with those times of
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: oppression as a woman, but I refused to be that woman.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to teach my daughter to come forward
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: as a roaring lion and be my own advocate. That's
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: how I know Carrie Fisher, and she definitely broke barriers,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: not being just Lea, which, by the way, a phenomenal character,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: but as her individual who leanked into that character to
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: push forward herself as a woman who delve into women's rights,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: feminist rights, and also just human rights.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and she did it all well being funny.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my like. I will say like every time
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I saw her outside of any of Star Wars, because
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: obviously I didn't see her much in Star Wars until recently.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: I saw her as a woman with amazing comediic timing
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: with also the contextual ideas of what is wrong in society.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: She did a great job with it without having to
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: have her own individual platforms like a talk show or something.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which she did have one at one point.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I knew that.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so wishful drinking.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: I love that title.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you should check it out. In the meantime, we
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: do believe it or not, have a little bit more
• 44:14
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  Speaker 2: haven't found too much research on this because it's really
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: difficult to search and I tried, but it's something that's
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: been on my mind ever since we did our feminism
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: in Harry Potter episode. And so this is what I
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: call in the outline my feminist Luke Skywalker discussion, because
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: I did.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: I want to talk about how in that in Harry
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Potter and in.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Star Wars, there are these main male characters, Luke Skywalker
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: and Harry Potter, which by the way, are both my
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: biggest crushes fictional crushes of all time, is more balanced
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: when it comes to traditionally feminine and masculine traits, and
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: some have even argued that these are essentially female characters
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: in the stereotypical sense. Are they're more like female characters.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Luke was originally written as a female character, so if
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: you think about Luke Skywalker, he has plenty of masculine
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: coded traits like hot headedness, recklessness, but he's far more
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: balanced with feminine coded traits like empathy, compassion, loyalty. When
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: you take that even further with how Luke in particular
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: interacts with the Force, because you've got Obi Wan and Yoda,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: his mentors telling him that he has to confront and
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: essentially kill his father Darth Vader to become a Jedi,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: and Luke saying he can't do it because he's so
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: strongly believed and can feel that they're still good In
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Darth Vader, and after he turns himself over to Vader,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: who turns him over to the Emperor, the Emperor is
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: urging him to embrace his anger given to his aggression
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: kill his father. Violence and anger stereotypically masculine traits, and
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: when Luke does that, he almost loses himself to the
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: dark side and almost continues this cycle of violence, cutting
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: off his father's hand when his father had cut off
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: his hand in the previous movie. His active heroism is
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: throwing away his weapon, which by the way, is a
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: very phallic weapon, and refusing to fight to let those
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: things control him, embracing those more feminine coded traits like empathy,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: and this act brings out the empathy and love in
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Darth Vader and breaks the cycle. Luke also rejects the
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: old Jedi order as well as the Empire, much like
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: feminism demands systemic change right, and I.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Will add some psychologists see this as the break of
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: the edible cycle, specifically refusing to kill the father instead,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: he sacrifices and suffers for him.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot of comparisons to Christianity in there. Yeah,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: this is just something clearly I think too much about this, perhaps,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: but it is something that's been on my mind, especially
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: since I'm on this show now and watching it. And yes,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: there is a lot of sexual imagery if you look
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: for it, if you if you want the turning, the
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: turning on of the lightsabers, the egg like guath Star
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: and the sperm like X wings trying to land a shot.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: It's there, Samantha. And another thing I wanted to.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Touch on very briefly is Luke Skywalker's sexuality because I
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: think the fact that he doesn't have a romantic interest
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: in the movies other than a fairly forced plotline with Leyah,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: who yes, it's his sister, although the writers didn't know
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: that until Return of the Jedi, so.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: A lot.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, because I I was really curious, when did
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: they know this was true?
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I'm saying they didn't know here, They didn't know here,
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: they knew here.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: You're welcome, Samantha, and I'm sorry once again.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Means that at least, if fan fiction is any guide,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: it's easier for people to see their sexual identity reflected
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: in Luke Skywalker. The actor Mark Hamill even spoke to that,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: saying you can believe whatever you want when it comes
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: to his sexual identity. And yes, I know this is
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: not the same as the importance of explicit representation, something
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: we need more of and I am so ready for.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I really wanted in the New movies been in Poe
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: to end up together. Alas in the Extended Universe Legends universe,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Luke did go on to marry a woman, although that
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean he's straight necessarily. The reason I wanted to
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: bring this up is because, as you all know, I've
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: been reading a.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: Lot of fan fiction lately and I've noticed that in
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: the world of Star Wars fan fiction there are a
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: lot of a sexual, a romantic Luke Skywalker stories, which
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: is something I have never literally ever in all my
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: years of fan fiction scene before.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean it wasn't there at all.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I have very specific fan fiction circles that I traffic in,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: but for me, i'd never seen it, and I've enjoyed
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: quite a few of those stories. Also a lot of
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: bisexual han solo stories.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: And speaking of that, I've also sort of fallen into
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: the Han solo Luke Skywalker ship, which is you.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Tell us Guy solo?
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, would you tell us a lot about Also.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: I can't not see it, and I don't know why
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: or how that is.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Even the story I'm writing is sort of a one
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: sided Sky solo story, even though there might be romance
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: element later.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Who knows what the characters will do. I certainly am
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: not controlling the actions.
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: I'll find out as I write, but that's one of
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: the things I love about fan fiction, and I'm clearly
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: using it to work. Three things, And yes, before you ask,
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: it's not published again.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: I think it could kill someone. It's so sad.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: It's made me crime multiple times writing it, and I
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: do again I want to put out there. I'll take
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: a prompt because I was gonna read a section of
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: my fan fiction on here, but I couldn't find a
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: good non sad section other than a drunk Han solo
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: which doesn't have to do with Leah or even this
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: kind of Luke Skywalker feminis thing. And yeah, I mentioned
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: twin Stop is a really popular fan fiction thing where
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Luke and Layer swopped and the fanfic world took that
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: and ran with it.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Because there is an early version of Star Wars draft.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: That it was like that, right, And I do know
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: she did tell me plenty of times that Luke was
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: originally written as a woman, and then where there were
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: stairs between Han and Luke, he would make sure that
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: we knew that it would have changed everything if he
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: was a woman.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like I was just trying to pick the point,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: perhaps clumsily, that if Luke had been a woman, people
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: would have assumed romantic things.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly the point that you were saying. But yeah,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: definitely was like oh oh oh, I mean it makes sense.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of agreement. Ah and there and
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: now I have never known, but you've definitely let us know.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah. I went into detail about the uh, the
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: hot scene and the sharing of the body heats.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: And and then like Han was supposed to leave, but
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: then he heard Luke was in peril, so change.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: Oh I was so annoying. I'm sorry, No, you weren't.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: You weren't annoying. You were enjoying yourself. My partner was
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: enjoying himself, and I was just there.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: Oh man, Well I really appreciate it. I meant the
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: world to me to share.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: It with you. I was glad to share it with you.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: I was glad to see the excitement I think between
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: those and aliens to watch movies with the two, well,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: especially you, because I think you and I have watched
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: several movies together. But yeah, the excitement that you have
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: because it definitely went with you to Spider Man Spider Verse,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: sorry scholars, as well as some of the Marvel movies.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: The joy, the pure joy. But this was the climax
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: of it all.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: It's it's definitely like this and Harry Potter and probably
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: this a little bit more. Is like I said, it's
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: like my soul is part of my soul, and it
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: does it made me think about the importance of storytelling
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: and that we can enjoy all these things together and
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: we can have all these interpretations of it, and it
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: can be so impactful for a young child to see
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Princess Leigh and think, oh, I can't do.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: That, and that's really really powerful.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: And I feel like I grew up with these characters
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: and sometimes I catch myself missing them, like I.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Miss Princess Leah, and that's fair.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we've been talking for a while about this.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: We were gonna have some holiday special discussion, but I
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: guess we'll table that. Oh And I wanted to put
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: in on here that I was legitimately afraid to do
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: this research, one that I'd never stop and two that
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I would come away feeling terrible about something that I loved.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: But like I said, why, I totally recognize Star Wars
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: has its problems, that Star Wars fandom certainly has its problems.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: All this did was strengthen my love for the original
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: trilogy and for Leya in particular.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Right, I would say, as a person who came in
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: in this day and age, I didn't feel it as
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: problematic as some things like a John Hughes film for sure.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: And I okaye, I think Leah was a great character.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I think knowing who Carrie Fisher was and also what
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: she tried to represent also made it a bigger impact,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: and I could see why she was a phenomenal individual
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: to play this character.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was perfect.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Like we said in that one quote from the part
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: one where it seems like just a million different things happened, correctly,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: like it was just so random of an amazing that
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: this came together, and she was a huge part of that. Right,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: So I'm so thankful, Thankful for her, Thankful for it,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Thankful for you, Samantha for sharing this with me, Thankful
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: for listeners who maybe like, oh no, two hours.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know those people are going to say, oh no.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to appreciate the fact that you
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: love it as much as you do, and they probably
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: there's still a lot of people out there who loves
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: it as much as you do.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm happy to share my love. And I could
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: have kept going and going and going, as you know. Okay,
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: so I know I mentioned it quiz, but again we've
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: I've really gone on and on about this episode's already
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: super long. It was supposed to be a one part
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: episode and now it's two hours.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: To be fair, I knew it was going to be
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: two part.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: The minute well.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: You know me so well, so we're not going to
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: do the quiz in this episode, but we will do
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: it later off screen.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I'll I want to I know what character you get, Samantha.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I have my theory and I want to see if
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I'm correct.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: You're going to have to write this out on a
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: piece of paper or okay, email it to me and
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: I won't open it.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Okay, I got Luke Skywalker, which again I don't know
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: what to make of that.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I guess it goes back to my theory if we
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: all ultimately love some version of ourselves who we want
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, So that brings us to the end of this
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: epic two parter. I hope I did it justice and
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: thank you again everyone. If you have any Star Wars
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: thoughts you'd like to share, our ideas for future episodes
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: or topics we should cover, please write them to us.
• 55:43
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• 55:49
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• 55:52
  Speaker 2: as always to our super producer Andrew Howard, who was
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: also a fan. Yeah, and thanks to you for listening
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