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Modernizing Prenups with Ronke Oyekunle · Founder Mode

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At the end of the day, with all of these clauses and with all of
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the people go through these prenups, the end goal is not to
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get divorced. No one goes into a marriage
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wanting to get divorced, right? Like the goal is like, if you
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guys are able to talk about these hard things, if you're
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able to like, sit down and be like, yeah, if we get divorced,
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who really gets Frodo the dog? If you guys didn't have that
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conversation? If you can figure out like, hey,
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if we do get separated, like, what does feel fair for me for
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you? Because if you guys are on
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completely opposite sides of things like why is the signal?
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You're listening to Founder mode.
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Where we talk to builders rethinking how technology
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intersects with life and real relationships.
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Today's episode is about modern love and modern money, and how
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one founder is transforming prenups into something built for
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this generation. We'll explore how AI, empathy
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and financial literacy can actually make relationships
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stronger, not colder. Jason, you own one of your
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companies with your wife and you Co founded your first startup
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with a husband and wife Co founders?
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Yep. What if you learn from all that?
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A lot some people when I tell them these things are like what
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you work with your wife and to be clear, my wife has a day job.
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She's full time at that she's I would call her the chairman of
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the board of our company. So you know, every night before
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bed I get to. As long as her title is above
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yours, I don't think for. Sure.
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Yeah, she's she's senior to me. And every night before bed, we
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have the board meeting. You know, we have a nightly
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board meeting where she beats me up and tells me all the things I
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did wrong. But I do think the one thing
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that, you know, I'm sort of known, loved and hated for is
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just like, I definitely don't try to like sugarcoat stuff.
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I pretty much, I'm pretty direct and just say what I'm thinking.
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And sometimes that offends people.
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I think it also holds people to a higher bar.
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Kind of learned that from my dad, which definitely was the
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more command and control like me growing up.
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And so I think for me, the, you know, I would say I've evolved
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in terms of where things go in terms of how I view sort of both
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partnerships, personal and professional.
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I think like I've worked best with people that challenge me
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were when we challenge each other, we sort of both kind of
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like bring out of the best in each other.
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And I think I definitely suffer in places where the pressure
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cracks those that I'm working with because I'm too relenting
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or I just tune out because it's like, man, they're not getting
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it and and this isn't going. So I think to me, the magic and
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sort of what this conversation is that I think is would be
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helpful in all those domains is the notion of bringing up this
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conversation 1st and sort of just, you know, sort of asking
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the tough questions, sort of just thinking through some of
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that. And so I think with that, I
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mean, yeah, we should. We should find out what she
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thinks. Yeah, I think that's right.
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And I just one more thought that you just made me think of is
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like both in marriage and business, whether with your life
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partner or your Co founders, like have the hard conversations
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before you get into the long term relationship there.
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Rocky's a Co founder and operator who's redefining how
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couples plan their future. Her work combines tech, legal
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expertise and human connection. Yeah, she's helping turn 1 of
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life's most uncomfortable conversations into moment of
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clarity, trust and partnership. Kevin, should we bring her on?
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Let's do it. Rocky, welcome to founder Mode.
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You're bringing prenups to the modern era.
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Today we're talking about how AI and honest conversations can
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strengthen relationships before the paperwork ever shows up.
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Thank you guys so much for having me, very excited to chat.
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Yeah, we're, we're thrilled to have you here.
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This is going to be a fun one. You've called prenups, therapy,
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people reading and diplomacy rolls into one.
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What's driving the shift from taboo to empowerment?
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You know, I would say the biggest driver is just how
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people talk about and think about my and when I'm saying
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people really just couples, particularly millennial and
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Genesee couples compared to our parents generation where money
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was this tableau topic. Maybe your dad controls the
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money. Your mom like never really knows
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what's going on. It's just very different today.
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Usually both sides of the couple are working.
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People have money before they're even gay married, right?
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Because people are now getting married in their 30s, they're
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gay married even in their 40s. So you already have a career,
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you already have money going into the relationship.
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So now it makes marriages and the financial planning you do
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during marriages, the financial planning you do in case of a
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divorce much more complicated. So that's a lot of the kind of
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drivers behind prenups. The other thing is just
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candidly, I think a lot of people saw their parents get
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divorced. So there is just this kind of
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like shift in mentality about how you think about marriage and
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what you can actually do to prevent divorces, which as you
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guys probably know, a lot of divorces end up being about
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money and the inability to communicate about money.
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And what we saw when we were talking to our friends who are
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very much, you know, our potential like market for this
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is the traditional way of doing prenups did not match how
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couples talked about or wanted their prenups to actually be
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created. I like it.
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I, I'm, I'm very curious, just kind of continuing to click on
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this, this entry point that you've chosen and the explosion
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in kind of AI and emotional finance and how kind of the
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world is changing. You've built these tools that
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use AI to help couples talk about money.
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How do you make something this emotional feel safe,
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approachable, and, and you know, not this kind of thing?
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To your point, that was decades ago, just completely off limits,
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not OK to talk about. Yeah.
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So fundamentally I think about the combination of technology
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plus human experts that's in stock combination that helps you
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like deliver this product experience that really like
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resonates with people. So the human experts, right,
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I'll start there. So we work with some of the best
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family lawyers in the country and what they bring is obviously
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the knowledge of family law and how it works, but they also have
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the knowledge of having navigated couples to really
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emotional and tough things, whether it's divorce, whether
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it's prenup and all of that. Based on that, our family
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lawyers generally have, let's call it like guidelines
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problems. They have a good idea of like
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how to have two people, whether they're at the beginning of the
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marriage or the end of the marriage, have a difficult
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conversation. So we really relied on them
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first to have an understanding of the best way to conduct this
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conversation. And then because it's, you know,
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2025 26, you can actually train an AI based on kind of like the
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best family lawyers so that at least some of the like high
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level guidance and all of that can be delivered to clients
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personalized for like their specific situation.
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All of our users always start with our AI conversation.
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It helps educate them. It helps teach them how to talk
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to their partner, but ultimately still want them at the end of
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the AI conversation to then work with a human expert who can
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deliver the kind of, I know the, the value, the way people speak
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there. There's something that human
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beings can do that you guys still can't do.
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And so that's still the, the value you get from talking to
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the lawyer. And then obviously in delivering
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the final document, you still want a human lawyer to to
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overlook the entire process. What made you think that, you
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know, when you started the company that it could handle
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something as personal as marriage and finance?
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And then how have you sort of seen that through these early
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days of like, hey, it's actually working like, wow, people prefer
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this over like sort of some other unstructured or open way?
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Yeah, well, it's like you guys said, like everyone's already
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using it. Regardless of whether someone's
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come in to Neptune or not, they are almost certainly using chat
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or Gemini or Plod to talk about these topics.
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So these are just like consumer behaviors that are happening.
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The interesting twist that we've put on things is that generic,
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call it like ChatGPT or Google AI or all of that.
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It's OK talking about these hard topics, right?
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It's fine. But you guys have used ChatGPT.
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You've seen it go off the the reels and do the like, you're
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right, like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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You want to keep all of your money to yourself.
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I think you're justified like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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because you can't get a ChatGPT. You can ChatGPT can say anything
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to make. You agreeable?
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think what we saw was that
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one like this behavior is happening, that people are using
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AI. The question was like, could we
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build an AI experience that's actually helps you get to the
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outcome that you need to get to, which is you don't know how to
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ask ChatGPT the right questions for you to give you the right
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responses of how to guide yourself through a prenup or
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through any other emotional conversation.
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So when you're going through our AI chat experience, it's
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essentially been trained specifically on like how to be
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essentially just like good emotional counselor, money
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coach, couples counselor for couples.
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So you get all of the benefits of AI being able to be smart,
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being able to personalize its response, but it's specifically
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trained for this use case. And so that's why, like our
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experience ends up being way better than ChatGPT or Claude.
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Not surprisingly, most of our users are using ChatGPT or
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Claude. Some of them even discover us
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through ChatGPT before they come to our website.
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But when they come to our website, we consistently get
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positive reviews for the platform.
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Vertical AI use cases we talk about all the time on the show.
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And I think there's definitely a place and you guys have built
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something that's very specific. And I think that, you know,
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ChatGPT is a great generalist, but there's, there's, there's a
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reason why you have this network of attorneys and you've built
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this kind of corpus of knowledge that's very specific to this
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challenge, which I, which I love.
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I love a solution that is more than just a wrapper that
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involves human, humans are in the loop, right.
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And so Yep. Exactly.
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You've actually written about couples navigating, you know,
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tough things like relocation and salary imbalances.
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How can financial planning tools help kind of close some of those
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gaps? I would say two things and I'm
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going to speak specifically about Neptune.
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The 2 two ways that the financial planning tools can
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help. One is with understanding just
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the the basic realities of the situation.
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And 2nd is with the emotional navigation of the situation, but
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just understanding the like realities of the situation.
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We have tons of like calculators and other guides specifically
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for, for example, if you're a startup founder or startup
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employee and you want to understand what happens to your
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equity when you're getting married, like what the state
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laws say about what percentage you own, your partner's owns and
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all of that. Like we have things built out
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for that. So that's more of the just like
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calling, understand the practical realities of like
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what's going on. Then for the emotional
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navigation, again, this is kind of like where AI comes in and
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the human experts come in because most of these like big
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decisions that you're doing like relocate, like I'm, we're
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relocating to another city for my job and then suddenly my
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partner's career is not going to be quite the same.
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Like there's, there's like the reality of it of like, what's
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the implications on taxes? What's the implication on how
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much we're going to save or grow investments?
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And then there's the reality of my partner feeling peeved
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because sure, like we're making more money, but like, he's now
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sacrifices something. So I think it's like helping
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understanding that that's always going on when there are these,
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like, big decisions with money is like why we've taken this,
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call it like holistic approach of like, yeah, we'll build A2
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lane. Yeah, we'll build the AI to help
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you. But we also want to give you
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access to the right human beings to help you guys learn how to
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communicate and talk to each other about these things.
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Because ultimately, like, it's great to have more money.
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I certainly love having more money.
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But your relationship with your partner is the most important
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thing in in each of your lives. So helping that relationships
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grow strong and stay strong is like incredibly important.
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Disclaimer Founder Mode is not an attorney and we are not
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providing legal advice. Please, thank you.
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That is written all over. Rocky also not providing legal
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advice but we are here to help and Neptune is here to help.
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So, Rocky, now please answer the question.
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Mardis clauses tend to be around spousal support or alimony, and
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for anyone who doesn't know, this is what happens if you guys
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get separated. The richer spouse usually is
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paying some amount of money on a monthly annual basis to the kind
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of poorer spouse. It also supports a very weird
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thing. But yeah, it's also supports
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very emotionally fraught. Most people come in having some
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conception of alimony, right? Like you've heard about it in
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movies. It's what the rich gold digger,
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the 20 year old rich gold digger like gets from like the 80 year
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old man that she marries, right? But like, that's the movies.
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And then all of a sudden you're in a prenup conversation with
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your partner and you're not having to make decisions about
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like, hey, what does happen if we get separated?
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It's one thing if we are both, you know, we're both working
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right now, which is our typical couple, both maybe there's a
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little bit of an income difference, but it's not
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significant. So then it feels like everyone
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starts the conversation being like, let's just wave spousal
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support. It doesn't matter.
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And then you start talking to the attorneys or you talk to our
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AI and we start talking about like, what if the what if
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scenarios? What if one of you gets
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disabled? What if one of you takes a step
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back when you have children? What if things don't work out?
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You think your career is going great, but one of your careers
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stalls. Like what happens in all of
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those situations? And when people start talking
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about that, you start having these like realizations about
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like, what does kind of like fairness mean in your particular
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relationship? So those tend to be the
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smartest, like kind of like more complicated like discussions in
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the prenup up. And I think a lot of couples
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have really thoughtful approaches to it must to when it
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applies, when it doesn't and all of that.
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So those are the ones I really like.
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And then my favorite clauses just like on the side are the
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pet custody clauses. So we have maybe I'd say 10 to
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15% of our couples have some type of clause of about what
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happens to the dog or the cats if you guys get separated.
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And on the surface, it seems funny, but then you talk to
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divorce attorneys and it's like. Children.
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Yeah, yeah, No, it is. And it's like most states don't
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consider pets children for obvious reasons.
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They're considered property. Yeah, exactly.
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And like, it becomes this huge, contentious thing that divorced
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couples go through. Just being able to, like figure
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out a lot of that stuff early is incredibly helpful.
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At the end of the day, with all of these clauses and with all of
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the people go through these prenups, the end goal is not to
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get divorced. No one goes into a marriage
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wanting to get divorced, right? Like the goal is like, if you
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guys are able to talk about these hard things, if you're
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able to like, sit down and be like, yeah, if we get divorced,
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who really gets Frodo the dog? If you guys didn't have that
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conversation, if you can figure out like, hey, if we do get
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separated, like what does feel fair for me for you?
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Because if you guys are on completely opposite sides of
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things, like that is a signal, that is a signal about how
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you're thinking about money, how you're thinking about values and
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all of that. So if you can get through the
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prenup conversation, ultimately you're actually are less likely
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to get divorced. That is like the craziest thing
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about prenup. It's this huge insurance policy
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for divorce. It's all of this stuff, but like
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just going through the process and makes you less likely to get
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divorced. So again, the smartest cause
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because it is, it is, but it's like the smartest clauses are
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essentially the clauses that I wouldn't say cause you to fight,
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but cause the most discussion with you.
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Because then once you get through that process, like
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almost all of our clients like talk about the sense of like
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relief and the sense of like, like we got through this, we can
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talk about this. I think that there is.
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There's something here that's really interesting.
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I grew up in a family that my parents are still together.
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We're together and they, I think they instilled in me this weird
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thought. They're like, you shouldn't like
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have a prenup, like you're supposed to marry for love and
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for life and like it's going to be amazing.
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And, and my parents wouldn't fight in front of us and my
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brother and I. And so we had no idea that there
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was any conflict in the relationship.
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So completely unrealistic view of what relationships are.
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And I think what's refreshing about this, and I'd be curious
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to get your take is like, it almost just feels like there's a
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massive education gap like that. There's just, and so how are
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you, How are you closing that gap?
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And then just to kind of pivoted a little bit into the founder
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mode conversation, like we got a lot of founders that listen to
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the show that are building companies that are, you know,
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doing their 83 BS and QSBS stacking and trying to set it up
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for generational wealth. And they have no idea where to
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start with this stuff. So like, what's the mistake to
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avoid? What's the thing to do and how
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to how do we going to tie this back to hey, it's great to be in
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love, but also maybe. Yeah.
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Now the yeah, at its core, it starts with education like you
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said. So again, This is why the AI
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that we have is specifically trained to ask you the right
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questions upfront and in the way to ask questions.
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It's essentially teaching you how things work.
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So I'll use spousal support for an example.
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Like usually when people go through AI chat on the prenup
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side of things, it starts asking questions like, oh, like have
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you, you know, you indicated to me that your founder, your
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partner is like, let's say a doctor.
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Have you guys ever talked about spousal support?
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Like right now, you know, you're making a lot more than she is.
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And so most people will say no, because most people have not
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talked to their partner about spousal support for obvious
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reasons. And then we'll start teaching
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you like, hey, here are the some of the basics of how spousal
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support works in your state. Here is typically what couples
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like you do. So here are three options for
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couples like you do. Which options are resonating
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with with you? Which options are do you still
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have questions on? So that kind of like Q&A
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process, but like not you asking the questions, it's us asking
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the questions actually works incredibly well at educating
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people on whether it's prenup topics or not.
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As we're starting to expand into a state planning, a state
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planning topics, right? Because the questions you may
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have about prenups might be more about like, OK, how do we
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negotiate between what's good for me versus what's good for
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you? With estate planning, it's more
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about like who are going to be the guardians for our children?
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What do we think about what's appropriate to leave to our
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children, to other people who are not our children?
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How do we want to distribute things to our children?
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Is it do I want to give everything to my kids at 18?
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Do I think they need some type of trust that distributes it
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over time? All of that and all of those
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conversations are certainly, again, it's just like there's
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factual parts of it, but it's also conversations about values.
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It's informed by how you grew up.
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It's informed about how you think about money and all of
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that. So yeah, I'd say start with
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education, let an expert kind of lead the questioning of you to
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get to the like facts of how you think about things, and then we
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basically take it from there. How do you guys think about that
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as like just a road map for the company And like how much of
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that do you feel like in the next year or so you guys sort of
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like branch into like kind of this call it financial architect
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of the sort of partnership outside of like the print of
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being I think a pretty incredible wedge?
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Yeah, a good question. So we see ourselves as
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essentially acting as this financial legal concierge for
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couples that helps them figure out their values, figures out
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what they want in life and then helps them actually deliver that
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outcome. So to your point with your
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friends, the biggest gap as you get older is the long list of
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all the things you don't know, you don't know.
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And I think starting from that perspective of I'm not going to
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go out there and just specifically advertised, we're
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doing trust and we're helping you with irrevocable life
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insurance trust because most people don't even know what that
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is. But if I tell you that, hey, you
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have two kids, you're XYZ age, there's a long list of things
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that you need to do in order to maximize how much money goes to
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your kids in a trust situation or maximize how much earnings
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you're keeping or, you know, protect your parents or protect
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your spouse. Then all of a sudden you're
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like, oh, great, and you're going to tell me what to do and
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like handle the things for me. Like that's kind of what's been
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resonated with our clients as we've started to talk about this
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expansion beyond prenups. So that's how I would say we
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think about it, which is first, like, what are the kind of like
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long list of things that we can do?
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And then because we're a business and we have to make
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money targeting specific. Demographics with prenups, it's
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very much around people who are getting married the other the
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next kind of like big mouse and we're looking at in addition to
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that are people who are early parents of children.
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When you're having your first child or your second child, it's
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just this list of things that you need to do and everyone just
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kind of knows they need to do it, but they don't actually do
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it because someone has to do the research, someone has to do the
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signing up, someone has to like educate me and all of that.
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And it just it feels like it's important, but it never feels
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like I have the time to do it. So let's take load off of you,
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you know, like come to us, we'll handle it.
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We'll give you the high level education that you need for
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things, and then we'll have our experts and our team handle the
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rest. So let's talk about the future,
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let's talk about the category, right?
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Like I think with everything, AI is creating so much opportunity.
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But when you look ahead, you know, you've talked about estate
21:09
planning beyond the prenup. Is it AI driven estate planning?
21:13
Is it relationship fintech, something entirely new?
21:15
Like where? Where is this category going and
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how? How are you and Neptune thinking
21:19
about that? I think about it just from
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what's the outcome that we're going to provide to people and
21:25
then what are the tools that we can use to provide that outcome?
21:29
So outcome is you feel like you, your partner, your family are
21:34
set up, that you are set up with the right trust, you're set up
21:37
with the right taxes, you're set up with the right prenups,
21:39
you're set up with the right everything.
21:41
And we've taken care of that. Now our way to deliver that is
21:44
going to always be a mix of AI plus human experts is going to
21:48
get keep getting better. Like I, I think that that is
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going to happen for sure. I will make a bet, I'm clearly
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making a bet on that and starting this company.
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But I am also a huge, huge believer in the power of human
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connection and the power of like human experts.
22:01
And at the end of the day, I would not trust a totally AI
22:05
generated trust. I'm sorry, I'm not putting all
22:07
of my hard work into an AI generated trust and then being
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like, great, that's like that's all set.
22:13
I want to talk to a human being. Most people want to talk to a
22:15
human being. I think what changes over time
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is how much is done by the AI versus the human.
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But the human is always going to be in the loop.
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The AI is always going to be there has kind of like this
22:25
associate helping with a lot of the work and then the outcome,
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as long as a good outcome is delivered to you, as long as
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like you, I feel confident about my financial.
22:35
I like financial architect Kevin, by the way, I'm going to
22:38
meal on that, on that wording. But my financial architects are
22:41
not to have structured things properly for me.
22:43
As long as that's happening, I think that's all our customers
22:46
care about. But yeah, AI plus humans is kind
22:51
of the way for the future. Yeah, I fully agree.
22:53
I think that the magic ends up being in this sort of like
22:57
really finding the best. I think the financial
22:59
architects, actually one of the names I gave one of my chat
23:01
agents, because I think part of it is like really doesn't
23:03
honestly like, because if you think about it, it's like, hey,
23:06
look, here's what, here's what I know today.
23:08
Here's where I need to go. Tell me all the things I'm
23:11
missing. Like a random one.
23:12
For me that was like disability insurance, like when I was like
23:15
first work. It's like, man, like what
23:17
happens if I like, you know, go out and I, you know, catch my
23:19
bike in the spokes of my, you know, chain and like I lose my
23:22
fingers. I'm like, dude, all I do is
23:25
type. Like if I can't type, like we
23:26
didn't have the voice to text we have now, maybe I'd be OK today,
23:29
but you know, 15 years ago, 16 years ago, my daughter was born,
23:32
we didn't have that. And so I think there's, you
23:33
know, just different levels that, you know, you don't think
23:36
about. And it's pretty interesting.
23:37
So man, this has been incredible.
23:39
Like, where can people follow you, follow your work?
23:41
Like if they want to know more about dude, how do they sort of
23:43
get connected? So obviously our website first
23:46
meetingneptune.com are doing a pretty big overhaul over the
23:50
next few weeks. So you'll start to see a lot
23:53
more of the services I'm talking about today beyond prenups,
23:56
which is exciting. And then Wicked in I post a lot.
23:59
Jason, thank you for reading all of my many posts about the
24:03
couples that that we have. Yeah, I told us a lot about just
24:07
the stories that we share and some of the anecdotes that have
24:11
been helpful. And I think just sharing what
24:13
other people are going to has always been very helpful for for
24:16
many of our couples. So you can find me there too.
24:18
Awesome. Any, any kind of offers or
24:20
anything we should share with the founder audience for
24:22
Neptune? That's Ronke 100.
24:25
So that's my name. RONKE 100 for $100 off any of
24:32
our services. Nice.
24:33
Great. Well, we'll include that in the
24:34
show notes. This has been so smart grounded,
24:37
so relevant to the conversation in the in the time that we're
24:40
in. Thank you so much for joining
24:42
us, Rocky. Thank you guys for having me,
24:44
this has been a lot of fun. That was a great conversation.
24:46
Yeah, I enjoyed it. Felt different than some of the
24:48
things we talked about. You know, for me at least, like
24:51
the whole this isn't just an AI wrapper.
24:53
There's humans in the loop. There's lawyers there that are
24:55
hoping to craft the right planning for these couples
24:58
thinking about, you know, getting married and then their
25:01
future road map around having kids and estate planning.
25:04
So I think it's a super interesting time to build on top
25:06
of all this technology that you and I talk about every episode.
25:08
Kevin, what were your top five takeaways from today's
25:11
conversation? Yeah, I agree, super practical
25:13
episode and just real, you know, real good use of AI when I think
25:16
a lot of cases we we don't get as excited or it looks like a
25:18
rapper. I think this one's like, you
25:20
know, there's a lot of meat there and I think that's
25:21
exciting. So I think the the top five that
25:23
I saw was one, was this like couples are now entering
25:26
marriage later. So they have assets, careers and
25:28
sort of potentially some early, but you know, in the later
25:31
years, financial asymmetry and then, you know, prenups really
25:34
create this structured way to talk about money early.
25:37
And three, you know, Jenna, I really validates feelings and
25:40
vertical AI really guides couples into resolution.
25:43
It's like really looking for something deeper to find an
25:45
answer. And then for, you know, AI
25:47
prepares conversations, but human experts actually handle
25:50
the nuance and decisions and actually get it, you know, kind
25:52
of set up correctly. And then finally, the hardest
25:55
clauses surface values and often strengthen relationships.
25:58
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