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Doona! | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 59 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Pebaki Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas and we're back out of hiatus really
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  fast. To do a review with two of my
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  really good friends, I've got Sammy from Korean from contact
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  slash BL Buddies podcast. Hey Sammy, what's up?
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  And I have Liliana with me from Tian Soju podcast.
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  How are you Liliana? I'm.
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  Good. Thank you.
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  How are you? I'm doing well, so we were just
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  giggling before we got on this podcast talking about a whole
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  other thing which is only for Love, the currently airing sea
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  drama with Wong Hoodie and by Liliu.
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  Yeah, so we'll just be. I'll just switch my.
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  Brain. Yeah, I'll just be switching my
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  brain. I've out switched.
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  We've been, yeah. So we basically have to change
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  gears here to talk about Duna. And the reason why we're doing
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  this podcast is because Sammy really wanted to talk about
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  Duna. And she was like, are you going
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  to cover Duna? Have you watched it?
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  And I was like, no, I hadn't. And then Liliana was also like
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  I'll volunteers tribute to talk about Duno with you guys.
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  So then this trio like came to be and I have not made it a
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  secret about my feelings on Duna as I've been watching.
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  It's taken me longer than usual to watch 9 episodes of a show,
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  but we are finally here to talk about it, hash it out and just
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  So I'll just go ahead and give the Asian Wiki synopsis, go
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  through the cast, which is not very extensive, and then we'll
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  just like get into it. OK.
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  Sounds good ladies. Yeah, I'm ready.
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  I'm already laughing, OK, the Asian Wiki synopsis reads.
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  Yi Duna was a member of an idol girl group.
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  She was the main vocalist and the most popular member of the
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  group, but she suddenly announced her retirement.
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  She now stays at a shared house located near university and
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  rarely goes out. Meanwhile, Yi Wanjun is a
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  university student. He's warm hearted ordinary.
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  The most fact that they call him ordinary.
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  It's pretty funny. OK, warm hearted ordinary young
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  man without anything special in his background.
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  He begins to stay at the shared house where either not resides.
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  His warm heart gives either not comfort.
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  They get attracted to each other.
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  That's basically it. So that's that's it.
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  That's the story. That sums it up perfect.
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  That's all nine episodes. Yeah, so it aired on October
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  20th, 2023. So we are less than a month
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  after its complete airing. All nine episodes dropped at the
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  same time on Netflix. It is directed by actually a
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  very like, prolific director. We have Yi Jung Kyo and he's
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  directed. Romance is a bonus book.
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  The Good Wife, My First Time, A Witch's Love, Heartless City In
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  Need of Romance 2012. But most importantly, this man
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  is directed Crash landing on you.
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  That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense, but.
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  One of my faves. Aha.
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  Are you in like 50 million other?
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  People I know, right? I know, so popular.
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  So it was written by Minsong A, who also wrote the web comic
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  that this is based on, which I believe is called The Girl
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  Downstairs. And who is the Girl Downstairs?
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  It is BAE Susie. She plays Duna.
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  She's been in Anna, Startup Vagabond while you were sleeping
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  uncontrollably fond goo family book Dream High.
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  We've actually covered This is the 4th drama from Susie that
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  we've covered on the podcast 'cause we did Dream High while
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  you Were sleeping and startups. So there's episodes for each one
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  of the shows in the back catalog.
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  How do you guys feel about her? How do you guys feel about
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  Susie? I think A big, like breath.
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  Before because like I will say she's a very, like, divisive
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  actress. Like lots of people really love
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  her When they really, really love her, Like they are very
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  vocal about it. That's great.
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  I think she's improved from earlier dramas.
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  I mean, she's not necessarily an actress that I'm like, Oh my
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  God, it's Susie. I need to check that drama out,
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  if that makes sense. But I will say I have seen quite
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  a few dramas of hers. I saw, you know, while we were
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  sleeping and I saw start up and I feel like she has slowly been
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  improving on her acting. So yeah, that's all I that's my
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  two sides. I think I.
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  Think I have to. I have to agree.
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  I mean, I did. I think while we were sleeping
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  was probably the first one I saw her in and.
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  I I enjoyed her, but I wasn't like, Oh my God, like you said,
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  I'm going to follow her everything she comes out with
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  kind of thing. But I yeah, I agree that she's
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  gotten better in her acting. This character in and of itself
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  was kind of like bland. So I didn't feel like she needed
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  to act a lot. Yes.
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  So I've my thoughts on Susie are so well documented because we've
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  done 3 episodes now on a show at first.
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  But yeah, she's improved over time.
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  But I personally can't get over like, it's Susie, right?
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  I'm never lost. And like, Oh my God, I didn't
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  even realize that that was Susie.
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  She was like totally different character.
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  I was so immersed in her performance.
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  Never, never, never. I'm always like, oh look, it's
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  Susie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I'm never bamboozled, never hoodwinked into whatever role
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  that she's playing. And I think her best.
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  I think her best show is start up.
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  To be quite honest, I thought I had problems with while you were
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  sleeping and it was more plot than her in particular.
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  And then dream high. Like if you go back and listen
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  to that episode, we really ranked on her and her
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  performance. It was just terrible.
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  That was the first thing she was ever in.
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  That was 2010. It's now been 13 years, and I'm
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  still a little bit like, where's the, you know, people improve
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  for less, People improve, project to project.
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  And I feel like it's just marginal for her in this role.
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  She's playing almost like a facsimile of herself because she
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  used to be AK Pop Idol. So she is a former K Pop Idol.
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  She knows how to sing and dance. She was trained and JYP which is
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  a whole nother thing but. Yeah, you know, this feels like,
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  I don't know if you guys saw that movie.
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  Marry me with Jlo. Oh, and Owen Conagh?
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think I.
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  Have Wilson, Owen, Wilson. Yeah, yeah.
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  Where Jlo's playing an aging pop star with a very similar
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  aesthetic to her own Jlo career in real life.
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  And she was dealing with a lot of the same issues that she
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  deals with in her regular life. So it felt very on brand.
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  And she, Jlo excelled in that role because it was playing off
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  of the own. Her own.
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  Yeah. So this show could have done the
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  same. I think it could have been like,
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  Oh my God, like this is so revelatory and all this stuff.
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  And wow, she really understands like the concept and it's so
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  meta and whatever else. No, I didn't necessarily.
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  Feel like that. But she plays opposite Yang
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  Sejong who plays one June, the student that gets a They have an
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  attraction and he's been in a lot of stuff like doctor,
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  romantic, dual temperature of love, still 17 in my country,
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  the new Age. How do you guys feel about this
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  guy? Have you seen him in a lot of
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  stuff? I think I've watched him in a
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  couple of things. I watched him in Temperature of
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  Love and Doctor Romantic and still 17 as well.
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  I think still 17 is probably one of his best roles to date.
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  That is a really, really, really good drama.
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  But then again, his leading lady leaves for no question in that
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  one. So yeah, I I don't know.
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  Like he's OK again. I've enjoyed his role so far,
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  but it's not like somebody that, you know, I'm chasing after
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  every every, you know, for every, every drama that he does,
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  right? This was actually my first time
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  watching a drama with him in it, OK?
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  And I really enjoyed him. I thought he was.
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  I like how they kind of described him as plain.
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  And, you know, I don't know, I guess I kind of liked that
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  aspect about him. Because, yeah, he wasn't.
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  He was like, I think it made it slightly more believable.
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  It wasn't this like stunning man, you know, just all of a
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  sudden being a college kid, it was just an an average guy.
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  He's very handsome, average guy, but just just an average guy.
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  So I did, I did like him and I thought he definitely acted a
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  lot better than Susie did. I I I connected more to him.
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  I felt his feelings. More than hers.
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  So yeah, I think that I, I did like him and I probably would go
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  back, 'cause I I do know that temperature of love.
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  I've seen like bits and pieces of it, and it looked really
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  good. So I might, like, go back, yeah.
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  So I might go back and watch some of his stuff.
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  Yeah. I also watched my country, The
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  New Age. I didn't finish it because.
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  And you should watch it. Oh my God, Sam, 'cause it has
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  who? The one in it.
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  Yes. Oh wait, that is he the the
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  opposite lead. Oh my God, I didn't even.
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  OK, I do know him then. I've seen, I've seen bits and
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  pieces. Then I do know him.
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  I didn't even realize that was him.
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  Yeah. Oh wow.
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  It's like a long haired, wusha type hero.
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  So definitely give that a shot. It was just kind of like super
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  heavy. And it was, I don't know, like I
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  just wasn't feeling it. So maybe I should go back and
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  watch it, 'cause I dropped it like at episode like 8 or
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  something and it was a 20 episode show with like hour long
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  episode 20. Episode shows are killing me
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  now, man, girl, tell me about it.
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  So. That being said.
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  Minus the Chinese dramas that go from 50 plus, you know, like.
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  I was about to. Say a drama realm.
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  Yeah, I I I think also it's because when it comes to K
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  dramas, it's so rare for it to be an hour or less.
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  It's like an hour 10. Some of them are pushing an hour
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  20 an hour and a half. And I'm just like I can't do
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  this. Like I need it to be at maximum
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  do an hour. I can do with, you know I can
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  deal with that an hour is OK. Even though like my sweet spot
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  for an episode is like 40 to 45 minutes but I know K dramas
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  don't do that. So an hour.
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  But no they they just love pushing it to like an hour 10 an
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  hour 20 or you know do a hospital playlist and do like
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  almost two hours per episode And I'm like, I can't.
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  I can't the. Movie is calm down.
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  It's insane. So I dropped a Spaniard show one
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  time and it was such a good show, but each episode was
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  almost two hours long and I was like, I can't sit here for two
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  hours and watch one. It's.
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  Wild my my my partner watched for some reason got hooked on
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  this like Turkish show and it's like 52 episodes, 2 1/2 hours
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  each, 2 1/2 hours each, 50 plus episodes and he watched the
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  whole thing and I'm like I don't understand it's that is that is
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  that is commitment. Yeah, I've only watched one
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  Turkish. This is such a side tango.
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  But I've only watched one Turkish show and I couldn't
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  finish it because it was so long.
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  The episodes were so long, but I still remember the the leading
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  lady. Her character's name was Fadi
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  Day. Does that ring any bells for
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  anybody? I can't remember what it's
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  called for the life of me. Anyway, if you're listening and
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  you know what Turkish drama I'm talking about, please, like hit
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  me up and be like you watch this.
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  Because I couldn't finish it. It was wonderful, but I couldn't
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  finish it. OK, so anyway, what did you guys
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  think about Duna? And I don't know.
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  Who wants to go first? I will go last everyone.
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  First, because I think I'm going to be like the middle ground
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  here. Because I reckon Sam loves this
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  show. Jess doesn't necessarily like
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  this show and I'm like the meh. It's like, you know I didn't
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  particularly have that explosive feelings towards it either way.
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  I was just like, you know, I I I will say I finished it because
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  we were recording this because otherwise I would I would just
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  be like I I don't I it's not there's nothing really grabbing
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  me. But yeah, it's not like I was.
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  Isn't that invested? Like it's literally you know
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  that sound when you just go, you know, it's it's like it's middle
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  ground, middle of the ground, so to speak.
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  So yeah, that's my my thoughts on it.
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  You're just kind of meh. Yeah, like I don't.
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  I don't know why it I. We'll get into it into in the
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  spoilers, because I feel like I'll probably spoil some things
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  if I explain why that's my reaction.
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  So without like spoilering anything I think like also I did
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  binge this yesterday like I watched it all in one sitting.
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  I I was very deliberate with my not.
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  I didn't Fast forward, but I did put it on like a 1.75 speed.
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  At one point I was just like I this is fine.
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  They speak. Very slowly.
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  So I can keep up with it. Like if I can keep up with
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  Chinese dramas when they're going 10 miles an hour speaking,
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  I I can deal with this one, which was like they, I feel like
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  they deliberately spoke slowly, like throughout the drama.
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  So I was like, you know, I can speed it up, It's fine.
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  So yeah, that that's how I binge this whole thing yesterday.
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  In one sitting. I don't know if it would have
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  affected me if I had watched it like an episode a day or
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  something like that, if it would have, if my feelings would have
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  been slightly different. But yeah, that was my two cents
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  on it. Like, I didn't think it was the
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  worst thing I've ever watched. But it's by no means the best
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  thing I've ever watched either. It's like a very middle of the
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  ground. More towards the lower end
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  rather than the. Higher end, yeah, the lower.
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  End rather than the higher end. So, yeah.
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  All right, Sammy, talk to me. Well, OK, I it's OK Where do I
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  begin? Because I did.
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  I really did enjoy it. But I understand why people
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  don't. And I and I can almost agree on
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  some points like. Actually a lot of points like.
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  I agree with her. It wasn't this riveting, like,
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  you know, amazing drama. But for some reason I feel like
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  I just. I really something about it just
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  like hit me. I don't know what it is because
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  like I I completely understand why people didn't like it.
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  But for me it it just like. I'm not going to spoil because I
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  don't want to spoil like, she said.
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  We'll wait for that. There was there was points where
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  I was very angry and there was points where I was like, I hate
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  this show and then I was like, but at the same time the reason
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  I hate it is why I like it. So that's it's kind of like that
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  that that feeling I would and I I would almost say I'm in that
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  same middle range. As Liliana, but on the other
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  side of I would recommend it. I did enjoy it, you know, I
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  would like tell people to watch. It I I kept thinking, do you by
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  any chance think because it's. I don't know how to phrase this,
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  but because you write books that are kind of like almost in the
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  same world, they're not the same by any chance, but you know.
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  And then they would that affect or skew like your opinion of it
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  do you think? It could have simply because I
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  am writing AK Pop series right now that maybe I was like oh AK
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  Pop Idol. I need all the inspiration and
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  this is great and kind of thing. So maybe it could have skewed my
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  my view. Yeah, I never thought of that.
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  But yeah, that could be could be a reason.
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  It's an interesting take, Liliana.
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  I do not go ahead books and again like I've watched a lot of
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  musical K dramas, as I said in the Dream High episode, and
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  they're usually pretty pretty fun if nothing else.
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  And I think I was expecting it to be a little more lively, I
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  guess. And it wasn't.
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  It was more of a quiet show. And there's nothing wrong with
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  quiet shows. I love quiet shows.
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  Like, I just talked recently about my liberation notes and I
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  love that show. It's very quiet, introspective,
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  probing. And the show duna is not that,
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  even if it wants to be. So I think it was boring the
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  most, the best, the worst crime I think is that it's boring to
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  me and that nothing really happens.
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  It's literally just episode upon episode of Susie outside chain
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  smoking in near freezing temperatures and.
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  Very little clothes, scantily clad, a lack of clothing,
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  alarming lack of clothing. And then Yang Sejong just coming
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  upon her and being riveted for some reason by this pop star out
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  of her element. And I there's nothing to latch
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  onto to me for either character because they don't really go
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  into that much detail. Every bit of back story that you
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  have for each character is told in these sort of flashbacks.
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  And when I mean flashbacks, it's not like a big scene.
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  It's literally flashes of story, like a little vignette here, a
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  little thing here. Never a complete scene that
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  gives you the full context. And so you just kind of have to
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  make of it what you will and connect the dots.
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  And in a nine episode show, you'd think this would be really
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  tight. I was like they have space here
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  to expound and actually tell us some of the story and get to the
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  meat of the issues and either one of their traumas so to
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  speak, or like what they're what they're kind of running away
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  from. And I don't think they ever got
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  there and it was just sort of implied.
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  Why are we implying like just like this isn't a 16 episode
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  show, this is a nine episode show.
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  And why is there still empty space?
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  I think also for me, there was a lot of like side characters that
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  were not necessarily needed in the drama.
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  I would have rather them have like focused completely on our
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  main couple and their story. Because at the end of the day,
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  without knowing where these characters come from, there's no
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  way you're going to be able to connect them and like believe in
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  their relationship and why they were kind of like so dependent
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  on each other for that amount of time.
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  Like you can see it, but it's not.
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  Do you know it's not like hard set in stone if that makes
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  sense. So I I thought there was a lot
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  of time used elsewhere that wasn't necessarily needed and I
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  don't, I was about to say I don't think I've, I don't watch
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  a lot of like K pop based dramas.
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  But for example there was one and I think it was either last
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  year or the year before and it's called Le Coupe or something.
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  Did you guys watch that one? No, I don't.
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  Think so. This is another show and it's
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  always. Nodding my head, no, no, no,
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  it's I can't remember what it's called now, but that's I think
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  it's something called lacoop or something and.
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  That is what made me think about this drama is because that is
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  about a failing girl group and they're about to be like
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  disbanded and they say we are going to turn this around but
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  after we hit a number one, we will still disband.
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  And they did such a beautiful like pacing and that's a 12
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  episode. So it's only like 3 more
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  episodes than Duna and they touch on a lot of things that
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  Duna touch. Pictures on.
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  But they do it so beautifully and they do it like really
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  nuanced and what not. So when I was watching this, I
• 22:42
  kept thinking this could be as good as that one, but it's not.
• 22:47
  So I in the back of my mind, I kept like thinking about that
• 22:50
  one. I'm going to have to look up the
• 22:52
  name of it. It's called Idol, the Coupe.
• 22:54
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's the one.
• 22:57
  It's a fairly like underrated K drama for me.
• 23:00
  I think. OK, but.
• 23:03
  It's basically it is set in the K pop world and like I said, it
• 23:07
  is about a girl group who is failing miserably called Cotton
• 23:11
  Candy. Yeah.
• 23:12
  And their company is about to like disband them.
• 23:15
  And there's a lot they talk about stalkers, they talk about,
• 23:19
  you know, sassangs. They talk about a lot of things
• 23:22
  from the industry that Doona kind of like touched on so
• 23:27
  quick. Yeah, it hints that so quickly.
• 23:29
  And yeah, I think that one did a better job.
• 23:33
  Handling like those storylines. So while I was watching this, I
• 23:36
  I will say I may be very biased because it kept me bringing back
• 23:40
  to that drama and thinking this could have been like, I know
• 23:44
  there's a way to do this better. They just didn't quite land it
• 23:49
  in Doona, I think. I agree.
• 23:51
  I think you know. I also agree with the whole
• 23:54
  There was characters that I don't think we're necessary, and
• 23:57
  if they were supposed to be necessary.
• 24:01
  That should have been made way more apparent in like the
• 24:05
  beginning. It was just kind of like they
• 24:07
  just kind of got kept getting thrown in randomly and you're
• 24:09
  like, wait, why did this person just come into the plot line and
• 24:13
  then just leave the plot line? And I I do get that.
• 24:17
  Yeah, the mom. Yeah, the mom.
• 24:19
  Yeah, I I even had that as a note that I said.
• 24:23
  I was like, why is she even here?
• 24:26
  Like you mentioned her, such a big name to Kim Sung Young.
• 24:29
  Exactly. You could have mentioned her,
• 24:32
  left it at she was a shitty parent, and then just never
• 24:37
  brought it. Like never.
• 24:39
  You know, expounded on that. But you brought her in to just
• 24:44
  already reaffirm that when that space, like you said, could have
• 24:47
  been filled with something else, like their relationship,
• 24:50
  figuring out whatever. Yeah, I think that this
• 24:54
  relationship, this couple, they just like the idea of each
• 24:58
  other. Yeah, and they never really got
• 25:01
  to know each other ever. They are a little bit toxic in
• 25:07
  my mind because they are very, very reliant on each other.
• 25:10
  She needs him to heal herself, if that makes sense.
• 25:14
  And he kind of needs her a little bit as well.
• 25:18
  And then you see the reversal towards the end where she's
• 25:21
  like. You know, I don't quite need you
• 25:23
  anymore, but I want you. And it's like, well, that should
• 25:26
  have been the case kind of like all along.
• 25:29
  Because if you're reliant on somebody else for that happiness
• 25:33
  and that that relationship is like doomed to to to fail in a
• 25:38
  sense like, I understand. I also think like one of the
• 25:42
  themes. And this is like my take away
• 25:44
  from, you know, the drama as a whole.
• 25:46
  I think one of the themes that they were trying to work on was
• 25:50
  like timing and how timing is so key in like relationships in
• 25:55
  general. Like when they first meet, she
• 25:58
  kind of needs them. It's like, you know, that's
• 26:01
  their timing to, you know, because she needs them.
• 26:04
  But later on, she doesn't anymore.
• 26:05
  Like that relationship just doesn't sit well anymore in the
• 26:09
  time in their lives that they are at that point.
• 26:14
  But but yeah, I I don't know. I don't know.
• 26:16
  I feel like this was slow and fast all at the same time.
• 26:20
  The pacing was off, especially the last three episodes.
• 26:24
  I was like, I this is ridiculous.
• 26:27
  I don't expect this out of AK drama.
• 26:29
  I you know, K dramas are known for.
• 26:33
  Being good. Like to me at least, like when I
• 26:35
  think of a K drama, I think of really good storytelling in
• 26:38
  general and by norm, not all the time, but by norm.
• 26:42
  They tend to have like, you know, good pacing and storyline
• 26:46
  and whatnot, and this just felt like a little bit all over the
• 26:49
  place. A little bit.
• 26:50
  I know a little bit. The first, Yeah, that's the one
• 26:54
  I was looking for. Like for the first six episodes
• 26:56
  we were telling one story, and then for the last three episodes
• 27:00
  we wanted to cram in everything. Yes.
• 27:03
  So we told 50 stories at the same time.
• 27:06
  And I'm like, this is not good editing.
• 27:10
  This is not good storytelling like.
• 27:13
  I just, there's no need for it. There is no need for it.
• 27:16
  And like all of a sudden, everybody's story matters and we
• 27:20
  need to know what's happening to every character.
• 27:22
  And I'm like, we don't. We really don't like, we don't.
• 27:27
  So yeah, I have other thoughts, but I'm like, I I don't want to
• 27:30
  spoil. I don't know the spoil section.
• 27:32
  Yeah, I think that the pacing issues really stem from the
• 27:36
  writing, and it's written by the web comic Minsonga.
• 27:41
  And unfortunately you see this all the time.
• 27:44
  And like the West too is, you can't have if you don't.
• 27:47
  If you write books, you don't necessarily automatically know
• 27:51
  how to write a screenplay. And that's the case of, here's a
• 27:56
  great example, JK Rowling with the fantastic Beast series.
• 27:59
  That is a train wreck of ignoring all the controversy
• 28:03
  around JK Rowling. Those Fantastic Beasts movies
• 28:06
  are hot trash, and it's because she was the sole screenwriter on
• 28:12
  it. And.
• 28:14
  I never watched them, so I have no idea.
• 28:16
  Oh God. Well, I'm have been blessed to
• 28:19
  have watched all two of those movies and thank God they have
• 28:24
  totally done away with that franchise.
• 28:26
  They're not trying to make more movies because they're they just
• 28:28
  suck so bad. And it's the same for, jeez, no,
• 28:35
  this doesn't. This is, I was going to invoke
• 28:37
  George Lucas. I don't want to do that because
• 28:40
  what I mean is you need to have, you know an editor or somebody
• 28:45
  that's there telling you no or some kind of sounding board.
• 28:48
  And usually authors are just doing, you know, they have their
• 28:53
  own outline. They have things they want to
• 28:56
  accomplish. They have characters that are
• 28:57
  their favourites and they write to that and then when it goes to
• 29:00
  a publisher, they edit it. Yeah, but for screenplays,
• 29:05
  there's no screenplay. Like, there's no hierarchy in a
• 29:08
  screenplay, right? It's however it is like it's all
• 29:12
  loosey, goosey. They might bring in someone
• 29:13
  later to jazz it up and change, make some changes and it go
• 29:17
  through multiple hands. But at the end of the day, it's
• 29:20
  all case by case, and her being the slow screenwriter on this
• 29:26
  makes me think they were like, oh, we'd love your webtoon,
• 29:29
  we're going to adapt it into a show.
• 29:32
  Why don't you write the screenplay?
• 29:33
  And there was like nobody else saying.
• 29:37
  Hey, this is not a good idea. Paced like she started.
• 29:41
  I felt like it was almost like she started writing it.
• 29:45
  She was like, oh, I can get through this, you know, blah
• 29:47
  blah, blah the like. The pacing was good for six
• 29:50
  episodes good. And to me, well, the pacing was
• 29:55
  good. And then all of a sudden, like
• 29:57
  you said, they rushed all these characters and they rushed all
• 30:00
  these plot lines in that if they had been built up throughout
• 30:05
  those first six episodes, it wouldn't have felt rushed.
• 30:07
  So I almost was like she was writing these six episodes and
• 30:09
  went, oh crap, I only have three left, OK, just put everything
• 30:12
  else in here. I'm not going to focus on, just
• 30:14
  get it all in. Like I got to fix it all the
• 30:16
  characters and blah, blah, blah. So yeah, it felt like a dream as
• 30:20
  well. Like, I don't know why the whole
• 30:21
  show feels like a dream sequence.
• 30:23
  Yeah, it doesn't feel. I think, again, I think that's
• 30:25
  the way it was filmed. I think that's the way it was.
• 30:27
  Shy. Yeah.
• 30:29
  Yeah. OK.
• 30:30
  So I don't have really have that many other things to say other
• 30:33
  than like, I was very displeased by this show.
• 30:35
  I probably would have dropped it had I not been like been boozled
• 30:39
  into doing this episode. So I I want to thank you guys
• 30:44
  for, you know, watching this show with me.
• 30:47
  I think Liliana was the only other person on here that was
• 30:49
  like, I would have dropped it. I would have.
• 30:53
  We have integrity people. We watched the whole.
• 30:56
  Thing I didn't even watch it on a faster speed I.
• 30:58
  Oh, I did regular speed and I was very distraught because.
• 31:04
  And then the other thing was I didn't think that they had
• 31:06
  chemistry. Did you guys feel like this?
• 31:09
  This couple had tremendous amount of chemistry and it was
• 31:11
  worth. It I watched.
• 31:13
  I for me, I don't think it's necessarily a, again, actor,
• 31:19
  actress problem. In this case it stems from the
• 31:22
  writing I think because I am a firm believer in to, you know, a
• 31:27
  good actor and a good actress can't make a script good it.
• 31:31
  There's just no way they can. And I feel like because to that
• 31:36
  point we haven't really seen them build the relationship or
• 31:40
  anything like that. Their story hasn't been told
• 31:44
  well for me personally. I wasn't really that invested.
• 31:47
  And if I'm not invested they can have like the best on screen
• 31:51
  chemistry. It's probably not going to work
• 31:53
  for me because I'm like, you know, I'm not invested in this.
• 31:57
  Like it's not. OK, so I think they were OK.
• 32:02
  But again, that I feel like that's just my impression for
• 32:05
  the whole thing. It's just like it was OK, but
• 32:09
  it's not even like it was OK. It's not like that, you know,
• 32:12
  underwhelming. I feel like I was a little bit
• 32:15
  underwhelmed with their, their chemistry.
• 32:17
  So yeah. I I had moments where I liked
• 32:22
  their their chemistry was really good.
• 32:25
  And then? There were moments where I was
• 32:27
  like, are these two even in the same drama, Like, and and that's
• 32:32
  coming from someone who enjoys the show.
• 32:35
  But, like, it's true, 'cause there was just moments where I'm
• 32:38
  like, I do you two like each other.
• 32:40
  And then there was other moments where it was like, oh wow, like
• 32:44
  there's there's a connection here.
• 32:46
  So it was very. Yeah, touch and go.
• 32:51
  And again, like she said, I don't know if I can necessarily
• 32:54
  blame them and their acting, if it was the writing that, you
• 32:58
  know, kind of steered them in that direction.
• 33:00
  Right? Right.
• 33:01
  I heard a crazy, bold claim on TikTok that this was some of the
• 33:05
  best kissing ever in a cave drama.
• 33:07
  Absolutely not. Listen, my, pardon my French
• 33:10
  book, get the. Fuck out of here.
• 33:13
  Listen, I love. I.
• 33:15
  Let's be real here. I will.
• 33:18
  Sometimes start K dramas because of a kiss I saw on Instagram or
• 33:23
  TikTok and I'm like, I need to know more about this and I will
• 33:28
  watch the entire show that while they had their moments,
• 33:32
  absolutely freaking not. Absolutely not.
• 33:37
  Forget whoever said that doesn't watch K dramas.
• 33:43
  Or they're like they're very young and don't understand.
• 33:48
  No. No.
• 33:50
  Like, I will say no no, because like, I literally started the K
• 33:55
  drama. Oh, revenge marriage something.
• 33:59
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Perfect revenge marriage.
• 34:01
  Yes, yes. And I'm like that is good
• 34:05
  chemistry. That is good build up.
• 34:07
  You know I I'm all down for that one and literally I've only seen
• 34:11
  three episodes and I'm like, I'm sold.
• 34:13
  Give me more right now. So you know that's like and
• 34:18
  that's that's like a muck Jung. So you know if if people are
• 34:22
  hooching and chooching about a Mac Jung and chemistry in a Mac
• 34:25
  Jung, you know it's going to be good.
• 34:27
  And like I I will say, I will also say in defence of this
• 34:32
  drama a little bit, I am watching really good dramas
• 34:37
  right now. So you can't.
• 34:39
  You can't. But but I do think it does
• 34:42
  affect me a little bit because I'm like.
• 34:45
  When when a drama, like when you're watching something that
• 34:49
  you're really, really enjoying, for me personally, it works that
• 34:52
  way. When you're watching something
• 34:53
  that you're really, really enjoying and then like, you swap
• 34:56
  to something that you're not enjoying as much.
• 34:59
  And it's like it almost like the flaws become even more obvious,
• 35:04
  if that makes sense. No, it makes 100% sense.
• 35:07
  Because you're like, no, no, no, Because you're like, but you've
• 35:09
  just watched this and this works really well.
• 35:12
  Like, why can't you make it work?
• 35:14
  So I feel like that, to me, was also the place that I was at as
• 35:18
  well, because I've been. Guys, I've been, I've, I've left
• 35:21
  the house Friday morning and then I've not left the house for
• 35:24
  three days because I've just been in my house watching
• 35:28
  dramas. It's been a great weekend.
• 35:30
  So I was like, this is getting, you know, ridiculous.
• 35:34
  So I feel like I was even getting more frustrated for the
• 35:37
  fact that I was like I could be watching anything else right now
• 35:41
  and living the time waster. Life and this is what I'm
• 35:45
  watching, so this is wasting my time, is what you're saying?
• 35:49
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was.
• 35:50
  It was OK. So Sammy, if you can just
• 35:54
  briefly just what pinpoint exactly what you loved about the
• 35:59
  show? I think you it actually it
• 36:03
  didn't have to do with the main two couple like the main couple.
• 36:08
  It actually had to do with the the one friend Jinju.
• 36:15
  The the girl, I don't want to spoil it.
• 36:19
  The second lead essentially I she was a character that I
• 36:24
  really fell in love with. And I, you know, I was kind of I
• 36:30
  was more interested in her story arc throughout the story.
• 36:35
  Yes, I I did enjoy the two main characters a little, but it was
• 36:40
  more I I ended up enjoying the side characters more.
• 36:45
  Than the main couple by the end. And I think there was a lot of
• 36:53
  lessons that you kind of learned but not fully learned through
• 36:57
  every single character. And I liked those lessons.
• 37:01
  I just wish that they were completed a little bit more.
• 37:04
  But I think I liked I I liked Jinju.
• 37:08
  She was probably my absolute favorite character.
• 37:10
  Did you like the second couple? I did love the second couple.
• 37:14
  I saw the 2nd couple. That's the second couple.
• 37:16
  Yeah, they were. Which, which, which, who, who
• 37:19
  who are? We Could so was like the workout
• 37:20
  guy. The workout guy and the
• 37:22
  Brazilian. Girl oh, Oh yeah, She and you
• 37:25
  know the living daylights out of me, but.
• 37:28
  She's very good. She was speaking Portuguese.
• 37:30
  Portuguese Yeah, that's right. When you know when.
• 37:34
  In the beginning when she was yelling at the at the
• 37:37
  ex-boyfriend. Because she's from Brazil, like
• 37:41
  she lived in Brazil. Oh.
• 37:43
  I'm going to have to have a look at that because I missed that.
• 37:46
  Completely. Well, to be fair, she was
• 37:48
  watching it at speed up speed because like the girl was
• 37:52
  intermixing Portuguese and Korean, so you might have not
• 37:54
  heard the Portuguese and only heard the Korean ending of
• 37:58
  things. Also there is there is like yes,
• 38:01
  Brazilian Portuguese is still considered Portuguese, but if
• 38:05
  you get down to the nitty gritty of it, it's very different to
• 38:08
  like mainland. Europe like the one that I.
• 38:11
  Like Spain and like Spanish and Spain and Spain.
• 38:14
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Very similar.
• 38:16
  But I completely miss this. I I will have to go back.
• 38:19
  That's why she was wearing, like, all the Brazil shirts.
• 38:23
  I caught the fact that she was like, coming from Brazil and
• 38:28
  whatnot. I caught all of that.
• 38:30
  But I did not like, catch the She's speaking Portuguese.
• 38:34
  That's really bad. Oh God, I'm going to get my
• 38:36
  Portuguese card revoked at this point.
• 38:41
  I thought you would for sure have an opinion on that.
• 38:43
  Yeah, yeah. All right.
• 38:45
  That's bugger. I'm gonna have to watch that and
• 38:47
  like, see how good it is or how bad it is.
• 38:51
  Yeah, I at first I didn't understand like why they were
• 38:54
  bringing her in, but I kind of liked her being brought in at
• 38:57
  this. I liked all those secondary
• 38:59
  characters. I just wish that they had
• 39:00
  brought them in in a more timely fashion, like they introduced
• 39:05
  the two roommates, the two guy roommates.
• 39:08
  Right off the bat, 'cause he gets to the thing and whatnot,
• 39:11
  but then you don't really see or hear them for like 4 more
• 39:15
  episodes and then they all of a sudden come back in.
• 39:18
  But I wanted to like grow with them.
• 39:21
  And that whole house share thing on, well, that was something
• 39:26
  that I saw online was that people were like, oh, I really
• 39:28
  like the female relationships in this show.
• 39:32
  What all 5 minutes of it that you got and I was like, what?
• 39:37
  I I liked it. I wish there was more of it.
• 39:40
  But yeah, I can't say that that I just.
• 39:43
  I think I liked the characters individually especially, like I
• 39:47
  said, especially Jinju. But yeah, I think that's that's
• 39:52
  why I liked the show. I liked there's there was things
• 39:55
  that I felt could have impacted more, but they did make an
• 39:59
  impact on me at least. Gotcha.
• 40:03
  Well, I think we have come to the end of our rope here in the
• 40:06
  non spoiler section, so I'm going to break for spoilers if
• 40:10
  you guys are OK with that. But before we do, what would you
• 40:13
  rate this show Out of Five's Hold you bottles?
• 40:17
  Why do I keep laughing? Because they're like it was.
• 40:19
  Because you hate it. I like it.
• 40:22
  Liliana's mid about it. OK oh, since I'm mid about it I
• 40:26
  I will go three like I really wish I would go more 2.5 but OK
• 40:33
  2.52.5. I'd say I'd say like 42424.2 all
• 40:44
  right, so 2 bottles, that's really high.
• 40:49
  Look at Jessica. I was like 4.
• 40:52
  Should I go 39? Should I go 3.93 point nine OK
• 40:55
  3393.9 All right 2 bottles 2.53 point 91.5.
• 41:02
  Wow, I'm shocked you even gave it.
• 41:04
  Yeah, I was like I I thought. She was going to go like point.
• 41:07
  I thought she was going to go point .2 bottles.
• 41:11
  A singular shot, 1 1/2, so 2 bottles.
• 41:19
  Because if I like the second couple.
• 41:21
  I thought the last episode was pretty good.
• 41:24
  All the things considered. I think maybe I was just happy
• 41:27
  it was over, but I was like, all right, we can move on.
• 41:33
  Let's just get into the spoilers like shit.
• 41:35
  So if you don't care about spoilers, keep listening.
• 41:37
  If you've watched the show, keep listening and we'll see you on
• 41:40
  the other side. You want to come in?
• 41:49
  All right. We're on the other side of
• 41:50
  spoilers, so I'm not sure where you guys want to start first.
• 41:53
  I'm totally open. I don't even know.
• 41:56
  I don't even know where to start, where to start.
• 42:02
  See, this is the thing, right? This right here says everything
• 42:06
  you need about this drama. It's the fact that whenever you
• 42:12
  do a review about a drama and you're dying to just jump in to
• 42:16
  spoilers, that shows that like, how excited you are.
• 42:20
  If you're like, I don't even know where to stop and not even
• 42:23
  go to weigh so. See, I know where I want to
• 42:27
  start, but that seems ridiculous.
• 42:29
  Yeah, you just go like it doesn't matter.
• 42:31
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 42:32
  I just agree on it. I want it to start at the end.
• 42:34
  OK, let's do it. Because I have a very strong
• 42:39
  love hate relationship with The End, simply because you know, so
• 42:47
  she goes back into her idol life.
• 42:49
  But why? Yeah.
• 42:51
  First of all, why oh why? She goes back?
• 42:53
  Wait, she I She goes back because she doesn't have the
• 42:56
  money to break the contract. Yeah, she can't get out of the
• 42:59
  contract. Yeah, can't get out of the
• 43:00
  contract, so they convince her to go back, but as a so she
• 43:04
  wears up and down that that's not why she went back.
• 43:07
  Yeah, but it is. It is, but it is.
• 43:09
  And and well, then she also says that she started singing again.
• 43:15
  They gloss over that song. I was like she.
• 43:18
  Started humming. She started humming, and I was.
• 43:21
  Like she was. Thinking she's humming,
• 43:22
  Congrats. And then all of a sudden she
• 43:24
  meets with one of her old group members and you know, the group
• 43:29
  member. I again, I liked these other
• 43:31
  characters because the group member goes, I know why you
• 43:35
  could like I believe you that you couldn't sing, because I
• 43:38
  feel that way too. And like I wish they expanded on
• 43:42
  that. You know, the stress of being an
• 43:44
  idol, like causing this, like panic and and you know, these
• 43:48
  kinds of things that just like could destroy their career.
• 43:51
  Simply dynamics. The group dynamics, the
• 43:55
  animosity that they seem to have.
• 43:56
  Towards each other and then you know that, and then that manager
• 44:00
  who's an absolute piece of. Garbage for her, and I thought
• 44:05
  there was something sexual going on between them and I.
• 44:09
  Would have been there. Definitely is because he kind of
• 44:12
  like almost. I don't I I'm gonna say he
• 44:15
  almost grooms her in a way. Like he almost grooms her
• 44:20
  because he approaches her when she's very, very young.
• 44:23
  And I will say this kind of speaks to something in K Pop in
• 44:27
  general that's happening in Korea right now.
• 44:30
  It's the fact that they are having.
• 44:32
  Literal kids debut and singing these over sexualized songs and
• 44:37
  you know, it's ridiculous. I I think there should be a set
• 44:42
  like. Age for you to be able to debut,
• 44:46
  but this is very much shown in here.
• 44:48
  She did not have a great childhood.
• 44:50
  She, you know, her childhood was garbage and he took complete
• 44:54
  advantage of that by approaching her and offering her this whole
• 44:58
  new life and saying I can give you this, I can, you know, make
• 45:02
  everything better and then specifically asked would be be a
• 45:06
  family. Yeah, And because that's what
• 45:08
  she said she was like. Yeah, because.
• 45:10
  That's what she wants, that's what she's been missing and then
• 45:13
  like. He abuses that.
• 45:14
  He really abuses that. And then he is playing on her
• 45:19
  feelings. He knows she has fallen for him,
• 45:22
  but it's not like the type of love where she's in love with
• 45:26
  him. She just like is so desperate to
• 45:29
  have a family and everything that like this guy that she sees
• 45:33
  as his savior, as a savior is like everything to her.
• 45:36
  Like he is so toxic to her. And I hate the fact that the
• 45:41
  drama kind of like. Made her go back into that world
• 45:46
  and but the the problem with that being is it's not that it
• 45:49
  made her go back into that world.
• 45:51
  It's that it made her go back into that world.
• 45:53
  And she was like I'm happy now and I'm like but what has really
• 45:57
  changed? You haven't shown me what has
• 46:00
  changed for you to be able to be happy.
• 46:02
  Like you can't have the male lead come in all of a sudden,
• 46:06
  he's fixed her and then like. Bye.
• 46:09
  Bye. I want nothing else to do with
• 46:11
  you. And now like I have my life and
• 46:13
  it's exactly the same life you had previously.
• 46:16
  And yet now you can sing. And yet now you can do all of
• 46:19
  these things and you are happy like I It makes no sense to me.
• 46:23
  I. Agree.
• 46:24
  I agree. I didn't understand why she.
• 46:26
  Here's the thing. She could have gone back to the
• 46:29
  art because she can sing. She's got it back again because
• 46:32
  he helped her. You know, overcome those issues
• 46:36
  she had, but not with that manager, the man who literally
• 46:41
  caused her to do like to be what she was, to do what she did to,
• 46:46
  you know, all of these issues. And then like when she walks out
• 46:49
  of the hospital after she like sprained her ankle and he
• 46:53
  literally just continuously gaslights her, saying it's all
• 46:57
  her fault. That they're in this predicament
• 47:00
  he has, it's not his in any which way.
• 47:02
  And it's like, excuse me Sir, for her to go back to him pissed
• 47:08
  me off because she could have easily.
• 47:10
  And then he said he wiped his hands of her.
• 47:13
  But then he all of a sudden is her manager again.
• 47:16
  And you know, in that same thing that I, there's a lot of things
• 47:19
  again. They were trying to tell us like
• 47:21
  2 + 2 = 8 and I'm like what are? You talking about?
• 47:26
  So she goes back to being an idol, which, you know, I always
• 47:31
  kind of saw that was going to happen.
• 47:33
  I was hoping, like you said, it wasn't with this same toxic
• 47:39
  thing that like is around her. But what pissed me off was
• 47:43
  really the end where, you know, she sneaks out to go and see him
• 47:50
  and he basically says he's like. They're done.
• 47:54
  They're broken up and whatever. And so then she goes back to see
• 47:58
  him again and she and she like, you know, she has this argument
• 48:04
  where they throwback, they threw back words that he had said to
• 48:08
  her previously like tell me you're sorry, tell me you love
• 48:12
  me, you know, that kind of thing.
• 48:13
  So here I am thinking that they've made-up, they're going
• 48:18
  to work on this relationship because she even said.
• 48:22
  That after her contract, like or you know, they can wait a year
• 48:27
  and then the the world will be less angry about her dating
• 48:32
  somebody. So I was seeing all these things
• 48:34
  as hopeful lines of they were gonna have a happily ever after
• 48:38
  even with this world. And then to see them not have
• 48:42
  that pissed me off. Pissed me off because yes, you
• 48:48
  know me. You know me.
• 48:51
  I write romance. I watch romance.
• 48:53
  Romance ends with a happily ever after.
• 48:56
  So here I am watching this expecting that and I'm not
• 49:02
  freaking getting it. And if I could have accepted, it
• 49:06
  was not going to be a happily ever after if you didn't put
• 49:09
  romance in the title or in the in the little categories.
• 49:14
  So I found the ending completely open-ended.
• 49:18
  I didn't think it was a hard stop on their relationship.
• 49:21
  I just thought they were going to go maybe there's, I mean,
• 49:24
  they didn't even say, they didn't say that they were back
• 49:27
  together. They didn't say that they had
• 49:29
  rekindled their relationship. But because they hugged in the
• 49:32
  in his room, in his like, rented room or whatever, where they had
• 49:35
  that argument and she was like, say sorry, blah blah.
• 49:38
  I was like, OK, they've reconciled.
• 49:41
  So that's a good place to maybe rekindle their relationship.
• 49:46
  And even though they were in the same place at the same time,
• 49:47
  they didn't see each other or they passed by each other,
• 49:50
  whatever. And it seemed kind of negative.
• 49:51
  I saw it as, oh, they could definitely still get back
• 49:55
  together. This is just one day in their
• 50:00
  lives post reconciliation. And I thought it was more of
• 50:04
  like a positive ending. It was pot.
• 50:08
  I get it because it was. I agree it was open-ended.
• 50:13
  But I need the ending. I think I need it.
• 50:16
  I just. I want it.
• 50:18
  For me personally, it kind of like just shows that they're
• 50:22
  both going their separate ways. For a little bit because they
• 50:26
  need to learn who they are as people and to grow apart from
• 50:31
  each other independently because they were too what's the word
• 50:36
  I'm looking for yeah Co dependent on each other and they
• 50:38
  need to like walk away from that because that sort of
• 50:41
  relationship doesn't necessarily I personally don't think it
• 50:44
  would work. So I feel like they need that
• 50:48
  space and that time to and what I saw it as the ending was they
• 50:53
  that kind of like. Reconciliation of them, you
• 50:56
  know, first of all, I don't understand why she needed him to
• 51:00
  say sorry and why she needed him to say, you know, he regretted
• 51:04
  it because because no, like it was on her part.
• 51:09
  She kind of, like started to walk away.
• 51:12
  She ghosted him. So I don't understand.
• 51:15
  He tried that. That really.
• 51:19
  Eve me off like nobody's business because there is no
• 51:22
  need for that. She's in the wrong.
• 51:24
  Not him, like he tried, like he understood that this was
• 51:28
  something she had to do and he was being supportive of her.
• 51:31
  She was like, he was like, I miss you texting her.
• 51:34
  She nothing. Nothing.
• 51:36
  And like, they could have gone around to that.
• 51:39
  By being like she didn't have her phone on her, like her
• 51:42
  management, she said. She didn't have her phone.
• 51:45
  But it's like management did take her phone, but it's like
• 51:47
  she took her phone when they moved into that house.
• 51:49
  That's great, right? Fine, She took.
• 51:52
  She had no phone. But why the heck does he have to
• 51:54
  apologize then? Like, I don't understand it,
• 51:56
  that that whole scene is just, like, you know, ridiculous to
• 52:01
  me. But what I saw it as was them
• 52:05
  putting their past to rest. That's it.
• 52:08
  That's like, you know, done. And then moving forward, growing
• 52:12
  up independently. And then I feel like the door is
• 52:15
  left open for them to be able to rekindle.
• 52:18
  Now, do I believe that a relationship between them would
• 52:21
  work? I don't think I do, but that's
• 52:24
  another case of whether you know, their story just wasn't
• 52:28
  told well enough to me. I am not a person who needs like
• 52:32
  the happily ever after. I I don't if the story, if the
• 52:37
  story doesn't necessarily warrant it.
• 52:39
  I didn't think they would end up together right from the
• 52:42
  beginning. I didn't think they would.
• 52:44
  The story would be happy by the end.
• 52:46
  I really didn't because it didn't seem like that type of
• 52:48
  vibe and that type of drama to me.
• 52:51
  So I wasn't like that disappointed or even that, you
• 52:55
  know, shocked that they went the in that direction.
• 52:59
  And I was like I kind of saw this coming, like it feels like
• 53:02
  this is where they're gonna come from.
• 53:05
  So but yeah, that scene just really annoyed me because I was
• 53:09
  like, I don't understand why he's the one apologizing and.
• 53:13
  She needs to work on herself a lot more.
• 53:15
  Like she is broken and she is like messed up and she kind of
• 53:19
  like needs. And also it's like if she's gone
• 53:22
  back into that world, what's there to say for her to not fall
• 53:26
  into that, you know, space again?
• 53:28
  And it's like, why does he have to keep picking up the pieces?
• 53:31
  It's like it's not fair on his character when he's like trying
• 53:36
  to move on and to make something out of his life.
• 53:40
  So. So yeah, I do.
• 53:41
  You know what Hot take? I really, really wanted him to
• 53:44
  get back together with the Is it Ginger?
• 53:47
  The You want him with Ginger? Yeah, I feel like they could
• 53:51
  have worked out. I feel like after because like
• 53:54
  they. I feel like she like.
• 53:57
  I feel like she had the most growth as a character, 100%.
• 54:02
  It's ridiculous that a side. She's my favorite.
• 54:05
  Yeah, it's ridiculous to me that a side character grew so much
• 54:08
  and beautifully. Like, I loved her storyline.
• 54:11
  She went from this very sheltered, you know, all
• 54:13
  encompass, and she took herself out of that situation.
• 54:17
  It's like she didn't need a man. She didn't need any, but she
• 54:20
  kind of like took herself out of that situation.
• 54:23
  And yes, she was in a really bad place for her.
• 54:25
  A while. But once she's like, I love the
• 54:28
  fact that she's like, I like you and he says, I don't like you
• 54:31
  back. You know, we've missed that
• 54:32
  train and she's like, fine, but we can't be friends right now.
• 54:35
  I need to heal from this. So she walks away.
• 54:39
  She takes herself first, she walks away and when she's comes
• 54:43
  back, she has healed and she's become like this very like
• 54:47
  different person. She grew up.
• 54:49
  That's what I feel like she did. She grew up and the other
• 54:51
  characters like, especially our main couple, certainly did not.
• 54:55
  And that's probably what I'm seeing, especially our female
• 54:58
  lead. I feel like she's very stuck in
• 55:00
  that, I don't know, child, not child, but like the stage where
• 55:04
  the manager kind of picked her up, if that makes sense.
• 55:07
  So I. Almost wish.
• 55:09
  I almost wish they gave that character arc to Duna because
• 55:17
  that not necessarily because in a.
• 55:20
  In a way, it almost kind of is very similar.
• 55:23
  Where they had these not great father figures and you know,
• 55:31
  like you said, Jinju removed herself from that.
• 55:35
  She grew up and she became this amazing, you know, happy, full
• 55:41
  of life, person, well travelled, all this stuff that, you know, I
• 55:46
  wish that Duna had done. And I wish that's what I think
• 55:51
  it is. I think, you know, I wish Jinju
• 55:53
  was the main character, like if that was the main character's
• 55:56
  arc, I probably would have liked it more.
• 55:59
  I will say I think there were positives like you said, you
• 56:04
  know Duna and I can't remember his name our.
• 56:08
  Male lead. The male lead they they came
• 56:13
  into each other's lives. I feel at a time that they both
• 56:16
  needed each other and. They kind of helped each other,
• 56:21
  work on different things. Did it end up being slightly
• 56:25
  toxic? Absolutely.
• 56:26
  But I think, like with her, she taught him or showed him how to
• 56:30
  be how to cut loose on certain things.
• 56:34
  Like, OK, yeah, you can skip a class you, but you won't miss
• 56:36
  all this stuff. You can, you know, you can enjoy
• 56:39
  doing this. You can, you know, do all these
• 56:41
  things while still being that studious person he was.
• 56:44
  And then he kind of gave her this.
• 56:47
  He allowed her to be the child she couldn't be when she was a
• 56:50
  kid. Like when they were hitting the
• 56:53
  they were playing that Mallet game and you know playing I
• 56:56
  didn't see that at all. I saw that the Mallet game was
• 56:59
  just a more healthy way of of. Getting her anger out getting.
• 57:03
  Anger out versus just chain smoking.
• 57:05
  Of of course, yeah. It that's another aspect of it.
• 57:08
  But when they were like, you know, picking up the the toy,
• 57:10
  The Little Mermaid toy and stuff like that, I feel like he kind
• 57:14
  of gave her, like I said, the childhood.
• 57:16
  She didn't. So here's I'm going to jump in
• 57:20
  here and just say the thing that really irked me about Duna and
• 57:26
  one June was that Duna felt like a Manic Pixie Dream Girl.
• 57:33
  She just felt like someone who was reckless and loose and just
• 57:36
  flitted in and out of his life, and he was this uptight dude who
• 57:40
  needed to get out of his comfort zone.
• 57:43
  And for her, like you said, the lesson that she teaches them to,
• 57:46
  like, cut loose and not everything has to be so serious
• 57:49
  and he could skip class and whatever the hell.
• 57:51
  And that seemed like the more damaging thing to the show was
• 57:57
  that Duno was they did not spend that much time dissecting what
• 58:04
  the hell her trauma was. You just kind of had to like, be
• 58:07
  like, Oh yeah, she's just K Pop Idol, and she's just traumatized
• 58:10
  for the entire experience. The visual of her drowning on
• 58:14
  stage is supposed to somehow give.
• 58:18
  Us. The entire thing give us the
• 58:19
  entire story that Oh yeah, no wonder she lost the ability to
• 58:24
  to sing and how she just broke down on stage and couldn't
• 58:27
  continue the performance and left the group and like we're
• 58:31
  just supposed to inherently understand her issues and that
• 58:37
  is not the case at all. We can infer as much as we can
• 58:41
  based on like what we know about the industry and how toxic and
• 58:44
  and sort of predatory it is and how the manager treats her when
• 58:48
  he comes back into her life. But honestly, I'm missing a lot
• 58:52
  of connective tissue here, and it makes her seem like she is
• 58:56
  this Manic Pixie dream girl who's just there to help the
• 59:00
  male lead along in his life and his journey.
• 59:03
  And not help herself and not help herself.
• 59:06
  Like, where is her personality? How did she get to be here?
• 59:10
  Why is she stuck here in this house and can't leave?
• 59:13
  Like, she just made it seem like the manager dropped her off at
• 59:15
  this house with like, what? What do you mean he just dropped
• 59:19
  you off here? Like, what is your purpose?
• 59:21
  Like, do you feel like singing is truly the thing that you
• 59:24
  enjoy? Like, I We never got to that.
• 59:26
  Yeah. I feel like they did Her Story
• 59:29
  really, really dirty because I feel like.
• 59:33
  The writing, like I said, an actress can't make a script
• 59:37
  good. And if her story isn't there,
• 59:41
  like, I I don't know what they expected.
• 59:43
  Like they spent so much time. There's so many scenes, like
• 59:47
  Jess was saying, there was so many scenes where she was just
• 59:49
  outside chain smoking and I'm like, you could be telling me a
• 59:52
  story right now. I don't need to see her.
• 59:55
  Like, I get it, She smokes, whatever.
• 59:57
  Like I don't need to keep seeing it over and over and over again.
• 1:00:01
  I understand she's in a bad place.
• 1:00:03
  Tell me how she got to this bad place and then tell me how she's
• 1:00:07
  going to get it out of it. Like there's no, it's like all
• 1:00:10
  of a sudden she's OK. It's it happened within the span
• 1:00:14
  of like 5 minutes of drama where she suddenly couldn't sing And
• 1:00:19
  then now she sings and now she's on stage and now she's happy and
• 1:00:23
  now she's saying she's happy and I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:00:27
  I'm missing a whole chunk of drama right here, like in in her
• 1:00:31
  storyline. Like I just feel like the
• 1:00:34
  writing is a complete let down to all of the the drama as a
• 1:00:39
  whole and to me like I can, I can all my signal by directing a
• 1:00:45
  little bit acting you know. But bad writing, That's like
• 1:00:49
  what a drama stands like on if the writing is bad, then
• 1:00:53
  everything else is not going to be good.
• 1:00:55
  Like they can't make good scripts, you know?
• 1:00:59
  But I mean bad scripts. Good.
• 1:01:00
  And I feel like her character was done really, really dirty
• 1:01:03
  because again, they had the time. 9 episodes.
• 1:01:06
  Like, don't come at me saying, oh, they only had nine episodes.
• 1:01:10
  9 episodes is plenty of time to tell a full story.
• 1:01:15
  Like you don't need that much. There was so much time spent on
• 1:01:20
  things that I don't need to like that scene that Jess was talking
• 1:01:24
  about, about her jumping into the water.
• 1:01:25
  We saw that scene like three or four times throughout the whole
• 1:01:29
  shot. And it still wasn't explained.
• 1:01:30
  I get it. Like, I get it.
• 1:01:32
  She's she's falling into a pool of water.
• 1:01:34
  Great, great. I have seen this scene, but what
• 1:01:37
  exactly? Happened to her on stage.
• 1:01:39
  Oh, what is? Fall off the stage, Yeah, and
• 1:01:41
  she collapsed. Like what is what happened
• 1:01:43
  actually? Yeah, they, I feel like they
• 1:01:45
  they. They would bring up things about
• 1:01:50
  her trauma, but then not real like you said, Not really dive
• 1:01:53
  into them to the point where we could understand her.
• 1:01:56
  Like when she got locked in the bathroom, she starts freaking
• 1:02:00
  out. OK why is she freaking out?
• 1:02:02
  Why is she? Why does she not like this?
• 1:02:04
  When the lights go out, she starts panicking.
• 1:02:06
  Why does she start panicking when she you know?
• 1:02:10
  You know, when she jumped off the stage to 'cause this whole
• 1:02:13
  thing to happen? Why did she do that?
• 1:02:16
  Like, they really never got into the nitty gritty of her
• 1:02:19
  character and why she, you know, feels these these ways.
• 1:02:23
  And like, even when she's like, oh, I have a stalker and he's
• 1:02:27
  literally watching us and like, points to him and you know,
• 1:02:31
  shaking, she's terrified. But then they just leave it.
• 1:02:34
  It's like, no, this girl should be dealing with this shit.
• 1:02:38
  And I think, I think what bothers me is, you know, as
• 1:02:42
  people who are seeing it from the outside, we know that mental
• 1:02:46
  health issues are a problem in the K pop world.
• 1:02:51
  And they tend to get swept under the rug, which is really
• 1:02:54
  unfortunate because these kids need that mental, you know, they
• 1:02:59
  need therapists, they need psychologists, they need these
• 1:03:01
  people. And I think this just kind of.
• 1:03:06
  Brought that to attention, but then didn't fix the problem.
• 1:03:09
  They didn't get her a therapist. They didn't get her a
• 1:03:12
  psychiatrist. They just said yeah, no, she's
• 1:03:14
  mentally unwell, OK. And you know, and you know
• 1:03:19
  what's frustrating about it? This is a Netflix production.
• 1:03:23
  They could have gone there. It's not an in house Korea
• 1:03:27
  production, it's a Netflix production.
• 1:03:29
  They can push a lot more on Netflix productions that they
• 1:03:34
  can on in house, like Korean productions.
• 1:03:37
  And I feel like they could have taken this to be a drama that
• 1:03:42
  can just kind of like show the other side, show the ugly side
• 1:03:46
  of it. And I suppose they don't want
• 1:03:50
  that because they don't want, you know, people to see that it
• 1:03:54
  can get really, really bad. But they could have been like,
• 1:03:59
  look, this is a problem. This is how we're going to fix
• 1:04:01
  it. And they could have been like
• 1:04:03
  this, could have been something. Yeah, they could have had him
• 1:04:07
  telling her she needed to go to therapy or when like.
• 1:04:11
  She did 100% she needed therapy like and it was just like why
• 1:04:16
  not get that therapy while you're literally stuck locked in
• 1:04:21
  this one little room? Or like if anything make him a
• 1:04:25
  psychology or major or whatever so that he could be the one
• 1:04:29
  analyzing her and like helping her in some way.
• 1:04:33
  It was just those kinds of things.
• 1:04:35
  I get it. I get why people don't like the
• 1:04:37
  show and I can't tell you why fully, why I loved this show so
• 1:04:41
  much. But like I did, and I think it
• 1:04:44
  again, I think it had to do with all those secondary characters,
• 1:04:47
  especially Jinju. I really loved her character
• 1:04:50
  development and I think I can see why they said, like some
• 1:04:53
  people said, they liked the whole girl friendship thing.
• 1:04:57
  Because I do. I did like how.
• 1:05:02
  Duna reacted with Jinju's father.
• 1:05:07
  Like, you know when he called and he's like you stupid bitch,
• 1:05:10
  you just think you can be out all night, blah blah blah.
• 1:05:12
  And she like realized what kind of situation she was in and
• 1:05:16
  like, befriended her to, like, help her out of that situation.
• 1:05:21
  I think it had its moments of being good, but I'm I also.
• 1:05:26
  Don't like how, oh, go, go ahead.
• 1:05:28
  No, I was just about to say, you know, related to that comment,
• 1:05:31
  if she can help somebody else out of that situation, why can't
• 1:05:34
  she help herself out of the situation?
• 1:05:37
  I know it's like look. You're right, right, right
• 1:05:41
  situation and you know, I did the.
• 1:05:44
  The manager who's telling her things about herself and telling
• 1:05:47
  the audience things about her. That I'm like, why can't we just
• 1:05:50
  figure this out on our own? Like they're not showing us,
• 1:05:53
  they're just telling us. Because in Episode 5, the
• 1:05:56
  manager goes, be careful when you're alone in a crowd.
• 1:05:58
  It's obvious your loneliness, your desperation to be loved, to
• 1:06:01
  try to compensate for never having it.
• 1:06:03
  You're afraid of losing people's interests.
• 1:06:05
  And I'm like, what the this astute like observation about
• 1:06:09
  her coming from the worst person?
• 1:06:11
  From the worst person in the show and he knows it and then
• 1:06:14
  doesn't fix it. It's like so toxic.
• 1:06:16
  And she doesn't. Like we're not told.
• 1:06:19
  And that's why I say he gaslit her.
• 1:06:21
  He blamed her for all of that, like all of those issues.
• 1:06:24
  When it was him who caused those those problems and her mindset
• 1:06:28
  of things. It was her.
• 1:06:29
  It was him. It was her mom and then the
• 1:06:34
  grandma. I was confused by that whole
• 1:06:38
  thing, the grandma, So that house that she was in, that she
• 1:06:42
  takes. 1122 It's her grandma's house because that's where she
• 1:06:48
  was staying when her mom left her.
• 1:06:50
  Yeah, I feel like, Oh, yes, sorry, it's just going back it
• 1:06:56
  just. Clicked.
• 1:06:57
  It's just like it was. So first of all, why didn't he
• 1:07:00
  just ship her off to that? Because there's red one there.
• 1:07:04
  She would literally be by herself.
• 1:07:06
  She wouldn't cause a single ruckus.
• 1:07:07
  She would not. She would just be in this house.
• 1:07:11
  Why the group house? Why the?
• 1:07:13
  Yeah, why the shared home? Like, what did he think that?
• 1:07:17
  And then like, on top of that, there was a hold on, there was
• 1:07:20
  another plot hole. And now I can't remember it, but
• 1:07:22
  it had to do with that. Like, there's so many plot
• 1:07:24
  holes. There's so many plot holes in
• 1:07:26
  this, oh the plot hole of them eating JA Jong Yun together.
• 1:07:32
  And it like leaking that you know she's having dinner or
• 1:07:36
  she's. Having Oh, right, right, right.
• 1:07:38
  There was a paparazzi. There and everyone's like, yeah,
• 1:07:40
  and everyone. They were photographed together.
• 1:07:42
  Yeah, everyone's hating on her for eating and you know, like
• 1:07:45
  having this life with a person and all this.
• 1:07:49
  They're hating, whatever. But then she goes to a club
• 1:07:52
  where we actively see someone recording her.
• 1:07:55
  Yeah, but nothing from that. Nothing comes of that.
• 1:07:59
  I'm sorry, You You're telling me that there's more people in a
• 1:08:03
  Jajang Mun Chinese restaurant at frigging midnight than at a
• 1:08:08
  club? Sharing what?
• 1:08:11
  What? The paparazzi like Angle just
• 1:08:15
  annoyed me? God.
• 1:08:17
  Why do I like this show? Can I question myself on I, I
• 1:08:21
  right, I like this show. The thing is that the more I
• 1:08:25
  talk about it, the more annoyed I get.
• 1:08:27
  Right. I think.
• 1:08:28
  I think I loved it because I hated it.
• 1:08:30
  Now I'm like feeling this, like maybe it wasn't a real love.
• 1:08:34
  It was just I love to hate it. I yeah, I, I, I and then she.
• 1:08:39
  She just. I didn't think she liked the
• 1:08:41
  guy. I didn't think she liked one
• 1:08:43
  June at all. She likes the idea of him.
• 1:08:46
  I like messing with him and like, 'cause, like, she, yeah, I
• 1:08:50
  think she liked the idea of him and like, she's really broken
• 1:08:57
  and damaged and I feel like she just likes playing around
• 1:09:00
  because that's what people have done to her.
• 1:09:02
  So that's how she kind of, like sees the world and does her
• 1:09:04
  thing, but that's no way to treat a person.
• 1:09:08
  Again, I This is why I keep saying I don't think they would
• 1:09:11
  have worked. I I think he deserves like,
• 1:09:14
  better than her in a sense. And again I think it is, it's it
• 1:09:19
  all like to me, it all stands to bad writing.
• 1:09:21
  This show was badly written and that has just like made it, you
• 1:09:26
  know? Again, I I would have not
• 1:09:30
  finished it unless we were recording this because I just
• 1:09:33
  don't like, you know, I just don't think of it as anything.
• 1:09:36
  There's so many potholes, like the relationship is not
• 1:09:41
  believable for a second, and I feel like there's a there's a,
• 1:09:47
  there's a line that separates loving somebody and being in
• 1:09:50
  love with somebody. Like she may have loved him but
• 1:09:54
  she wasn't in love with him. I don't think she knows what
• 1:09:57
  that is until she kind of, like works on herself and fixes her
• 1:10:03
  her problems. I wished, you know what?
• 1:10:05
  I wish this story would have gone down.
• 1:10:07
  The line of this shared house becomes like a really good
• 1:10:10
  fountain family and she kind of like fixes herself up and she
• 1:10:14
  launches herself back into her career with a different manager
• 1:10:18
  and like. That's what I was hoping.
• 1:10:19
  I would have loved that story. I would have eaten that up like
• 1:10:24
  nobody's business. And I get it.
• 1:10:26
  It's based on a webtoon and you know the story is already told
• 1:10:30
  in the webtoon. But again, that's not, you know,
• 1:10:35
  exactly the. 3rd house thing is really done well in so many
• 1:10:40
  other K dramas I don't understand.
• 1:10:42
  Why so many? Like I remember there was one
• 1:10:44
  that I really loved and I love the season One of it.
• 1:10:46
  Hello, my 20s. Oh yeah, I know that's true.
• 1:10:48
  I haven't watched it. But I do know.
• 1:10:50
  Talk about a girl power and like, female relationships in
• 1:10:54
  the shared house thing, I was like, Oh yeah, this is great.
• 1:10:56
  I love. Laughter.
• 1:10:57
  And Waikiki was another good one I like.
• 1:11:01
  There was one with Jisu who's been cancelled.
• 1:11:04
  Oh, my first first love. Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  That's a good. One, I was AGI was a G SU Stan
• 1:11:10
  so hard. I was oh, that hurt me.
• 1:11:14
  Yeah. My car was literally I I named
• 1:11:16
  my car when I first got it years ago, 'cause it was, I think
• 1:11:19
  cheer up had just come out, and I named my car G Pajoon, 'cause
• 1:11:23
  that was his character. And cheer up, So yeah.
• 1:11:27
  I'm very upset about the GC thing.
• 1:11:30
  My condolences. So anyway, what I'm trying to
• 1:11:33
  say is the shared house thing could have been something, but
• 1:11:36
  it wasn't. Agreed.
• 1:11:39
  That's why I said I liked all those characters they brought
• 1:11:41
  in, these characters that I I could see, like you said,
• 1:11:45
  building that family of, you know, people she never had, that
• 1:11:49
  she needed and you know. That she needed in her life to
• 1:11:53
  build. Like when the girls all moved
• 1:11:55
  in, I was excited about that. I'm like, this is great.
• 1:11:57
  They're gonna, you know, there's gonna be this big family kind of
• 1:12:02
  growth and then it kind of just instantly fell apart like they
• 1:12:06
  were living together and all of a sudden Ginger was like.
• 1:12:08
  I'm out. I can't, I can't live with, you
• 1:12:10
  know, one June. And like, I was like, wait,
• 1:12:12
  wait, wait, wait, What's happening?
• 1:12:14
  There was that scene with Duna and Jinju where she goes to her
• 1:12:20
  house because she can't get a hold of and like, see, that's
• 1:12:26
  that's what we. But even then she has like, this
• 1:12:28
  shoulder to cry on. And she could have opened up and
• 1:12:32
  she chooses not to. She like, she chooses not to.
• 1:12:35
  And I get it. It would have been awkward at
• 1:12:37
  that stage because, you know, she's crying over the guy that,
• 1:12:41
  you know, Ildri's kind of like trying to get over.
• 1:12:44
  But I really appreciated her character even while not doing
• 1:12:47
  the because she was like, I know why you're upset, but I'm going
• 1:12:53
  to focus on the fact that you need a friend right now rather
• 1:12:56
  than the fact of the why you're upset.
• 1:12:59
  And she's still offered that support.
• 1:13:00
  And I feel like, again, I feel like the drama is like Much Ado
• 1:13:05
  About Nothing. It's kind of like it's
• 1:13:07
  everything and it's nothing at the same time.
• 1:13:11
  And that that's like my description of it.
• 1:13:13
  It's kind of like, you know everything and nothing at the
• 1:13:16
  same time. And it could have been.
• 1:13:19
  It feels like they were trying to tell 3000 stories and nine
• 1:13:23
  episodes and they wasted 6 episodes of not doing pretty
• 1:13:27
  much nothing and then three episodes of we're going to do
• 1:13:30
  everything. So, you know, I I am very much A
• 1:13:35
  and I feel like that's something that's been happening lately
• 1:13:38
  where cage dramas try to be be a few different genres in 1K drama
• 1:13:43
  and it doesn't necessarily work. And this one, I feel like it's
• 1:13:47
  that it was trying to be a romance, drama and a mellow
• 1:13:50
  drama and you know, a bunch of genres in one thing.
• 1:13:55
  Yeah, exactly. And it's like pick one and be
• 1:13:58
  really good at that one. That's going to give you an even
• 1:14:01
  better chance at it, you know, at being successful rather than
• 1:14:05
  picking 345 and being subpart at all of them.
• 1:14:10
  So that's like, yeah. Going back to Jinju for a
• 1:14:13
  second, because you guys really seem to like her.
• 1:14:16
  I found her a little bit annoying because she was trying
• 1:14:18
  to make a relationship happen. Fuel a relationship with Wanju
• 1:14:25
  based on nostalgia and you can't do that.
• 1:14:30
  Like she was. Like we liked each other in the
• 1:14:32
  past, we had these great experiences.
• 1:14:34
  We grew up together. That was her sales pitch,
• 1:14:36
  basically. For the relationship And like,
• 1:14:41
  it's dead and buried basically. Yeah.
• 1:14:44
  But what I am in the beginning, yeah.
• 1:14:46
  I was going to say what I appreciate about that is yes,
• 1:14:49
  she did have that. But then she kind of like steps
• 1:14:52
  away from it, and I think she realizes that, yeah.
• 1:14:55
  And she's like, you know, after he's, he explains to her.
• 1:14:58
  Like, I don't like you in that way.
• 1:15:00
  That's not. I feel like she has the grace to
• 1:15:03
  sort of like step back and walk away from it and then like, I
• 1:15:06
  think in retros because, like, it's kind of like what they say.
• 1:15:09
  Retrospective is great for everything, isn't it?
• 1:15:12
  So I feel like at that point, once she kind of, like steps
• 1:15:14
  away, she realizes that and then she goes off and like, she does
• 1:15:18
  brilliant. Like she lives this, her best
• 1:15:20
  life out of all the characters. I feel like she had exactly.
• 1:15:24
  She had like an arc, you know, gross.
• 1:15:28
  And she was like, I'm taking myself out of this.
• 1:15:30
  I'm going to be doing being a me for a while and that's what she
• 1:15:34
  does, so I appreciate that. I like that she had that whole
• 1:15:38
  thing where she was presenting a a false facade.
• 1:15:41
  She was this rich girl with a really good life and she had a
• 1:15:43
  great family when in reality her dad was insane machismo.
• 1:15:47
  My God, so bad was. Abusing them.
• 1:15:51
  And I think I wanted to sit more in that, like that whole thing
• 1:15:56
  was very familiar to me. Like I said, I'm Hispanic and
• 1:15:59
  so. My best friend came from that
• 1:16:01
  background growing up and she came to live with us and
• 1:16:05
  everything to get out of that situation that she was in with
• 1:16:07
  her dad and the scene of like the dad cutting the sister's
• 1:16:12
  hair that. Was horrible.
• 1:16:13
  I was like, oh, that's too close to home.
• 1:16:15
  Like for me, I was like, oh, I got chills.
• 1:16:18
  And that's just like, again, a little vignette that they're
• 1:16:20
  throwing at us, a little flashback vignette versus a
• 1:16:23
  really deep connection that we're.
• 1:16:27
  Granted for Jinju, that character and it's, I think it's
• 1:16:31
  a problem, right? Like they gave her such an
• 1:16:33
  interesting story and she gets such a great arc and like you
• 1:16:40
  barely see her in the show. I think that's one of the major
• 1:16:43
  problems for me about this drama and it just doesn't apply to
• 1:16:46
  her. It applies to every single
• 1:16:48
  storyline. It's the fact that they try to
• 1:16:51
  tackle really big issues, whether that be an abusive
• 1:16:54
  father, an abusive manager, whether that be the background
• 1:16:58
  you come from and then they gloss over them.
• 1:17:01
  It feels disrespectful to people who you know are in those types
• 1:17:06
  of situations. It just feels, it doesn't sit
• 1:17:08
  well with personally, it doesn't sit well with me.
• 1:17:11
  The way they we just kind of like gloss over really big
• 1:17:16
  traumatic events and it's like okay, that's it, just showing
• 1:17:22
  you this, let's move on. That's kind of like the
• 1:17:24
  impression I got from a lot of these really big events.
• 1:17:27
  And I think that's, you know, apart from the bad writing.
• 1:17:31
  That's one of the things. And again, this stems from that
• 1:17:34
  bad writing. It's the fact that they gloss
• 1:17:37
  over really, really traumatic things.
• 1:17:39
  And it's not like it doesn't land well, like that.
• 1:17:44
  That to me is never going to land well, I don't think.
• 1:17:46
  Yeah. The second couple.
• 1:17:48
  So let's quickly go through the second couple.
• 1:17:51
  I love them. I thought they were the star of
• 1:17:52
  the show. By the end of the show, by
• 1:17:54
  episode like 6 or so, I was like.
• 1:17:56
  This is it. Like we can stay here with them
• 1:17:57
  and we don't need to go back to the 291 June because and I
• 1:18:00
  called them the jiu jitsu couple, yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:18:04
  Facts. Yeah, because he was sort of
• 1:18:07
  annoyed with her and she was like this, so bubbly and
• 1:18:10
  extroverted and loud, and he was very quiet.
• 1:18:14
  And it was the grumpy sunshine trope that I like love.
• 1:18:18
  Exactly. It was grumpy sunshine.
• 1:18:20
  I tend to love that trope, but for some reason it just didn't
• 1:18:23
  land for me. I don't know if by that point I
• 1:18:25
  was just so annoyed with again I benched the whole thing.
• 1:18:30
  So I don't know if by that point I was just so annoyed with the
• 1:18:33
  show that I was like, I this character is very loud, very
• 1:18:37
  chaotic, a very I, I, I. Didn't like her until they
• 1:18:42
  started pairing her up with with.
• 1:18:43
  Agreed, 100% agreed. She was very obnoxious.
• 1:18:48
  She was very rude, Like, and I'm like, are you just saying all
• 1:18:52
  foreigners are obnoxious and rude?
• 1:18:54
  Because I feel like every time they throw, you know, somebody
• 1:18:58
  not Korean or pretending not to be Korean into these things,
• 1:19:02
  they tend to be these like very kind of negative stereotypes.
• 1:19:05
  Wait, was she not meant to be Korean?
• 1:19:08
  No, she was. She was.
• 1:19:09
  She was Korean, but she moved to Brazil.
• 1:19:12
  So, like, I got that. OK.
• 1:19:14
  Yeah, yeah. OK.
• 1:19:14
  So she was like, I think when she gets kicked out of the
• 1:19:16
  school, like she gets kicked out of the door, she said she
• 1:19:19
  because I'm a foreigner and. Lost.
• 1:19:21
  So yeah, she. Was very don't even consider her
• 1:19:24
  Korean. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:26
  And so she's like very, you know, loud.
• 1:19:28
  And what I'm very loud. Like, I can't argue that that's
• 1:19:31
  some of us over here. I will say, I will say, I will
• 1:19:34
  say that does kind of now thinking about it, that does go
• 1:19:40
  with Brazilian culture and Portuguese culture in general.
• 1:19:44
  We tend to be very loud people. I'm Hispanic and Italian.
• 1:19:48
  I'm always loud. Like, we're loud by nature.
• 1:19:53
  People like, a lot of the time they'll question me.
• 1:19:55
  They'll be like, why are you arguing with your mom?
• 1:19:56
  I'm like, I'm not arguing with my mom.
• 1:19:58
  I'm like, I'm having a nice conversation.
• 1:20:00
  Like, I don't understand what you're talking about.
• 1:20:02
  It's because we tend to be very loud in general.
• 1:20:05
  I used to be called out in school constantly for how loud I
• 1:20:10
  was like, they would my parents, Oh yeah, yeah, my parents would
• 1:20:14
  be like, my mom would be called in.
• 1:20:15
  And she's like, she's a bit disruptive to the classroom,
• 1:20:18
  'cause she's so loud. And I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't
• 1:20:21
  tell. Because you don't even realize
• 1:20:23
  that's the volume you're talking about.
• 1:20:26
  So, so she. Was like that she they they
• 1:20:28
  built her a little different than the other characters
• 1:20:30
  getting. Pretty obnoxious because she's
• 1:20:34
  like not reading the room and she's like not not kind of
• 1:20:37
  considering other people. And that's that's fine up until
• 1:20:41
  like, they get to her and Jong UN.
• 1:20:44
  And what I liked about them was that they showed the moment that
• 1:20:47
  he fell for her. And I was like, oh, this is
• 1:20:51
  great because they're eating after like the jujitsu thing,
• 1:20:55
  and it doesn't even matter what they're talking about.
• 1:20:57
  But all of a sudden she starts eating.
• 1:20:58
  She's like, Oh my God, this is so the little happy doing the
• 1:21:02
  happy. And he is like, Oh my God, like
• 1:21:05
  you could see his like the heart eyes.
• 1:21:08
  Yeah, I love when? He asks.
• 1:21:10
  The the other roommate, like, what does it mean when, like,
• 1:21:14
  you feel this kind of way when somebody just, like, does this
• 1:21:17
  and he's like explaining it like, I thought that was so
• 1:21:21
  cute. I agree.
• 1:21:22
  I think they were the cutest couple.
• 1:21:24
  I loved them. Like their couple made more
• 1:21:28
  sense because. Again, they were the grumpy
• 1:21:31
  sunshine and they worked together to like make themselves
• 1:21:35
  like at the end when they like kind of Fast forward and they're
• 1:21:38
  living together and like, she comes out and she gives him a
• 1:21:41
  hug and they're all like so cutesy together and they are
• 1:21:44
  like. Oh, I loved it.
• 1:21:46
  I absolutely loved that. I thought it was so flipping
• 1:21:50
  cute. They are your very
• 1:21:52
  straightforward romance from com couple though, aren't they?
• 1:21:56
  So it I mean it they these couples tend to land in general
• 1:22:00
  because it's the true and tried formula of of romance I think.
• 1:22:06
  I did like the other housemate you did.
• 1:22:09
  Because I didn't like. Him he No, I didn't.
• 1:22:11
  OK, let me, let me rephrase this.
• 1:22:13
  I didn't like him in the like in that whole, like in the shared
• 1:22:18
  house. But I loved.
• 1:22:19
  Him in the future, where he's literally deciding
• 1:22:24
  heartbrokenness to sell women on how to get men.
• 1:22:28
  I thought that was absent. I was like that is.
• 1:22:31
  Perfect. That like they nailed that
• 1:22:33
  character. That was hilarious to me.
• 1:22:36
  I did enjoy that. This is what I mean.
• 1:22:38
  Like the friends are living in a comedy ROM com world.
• 1:22:42
  And then like the Wayne couple is like living in LA, You're.
• 1:22:47
  Right. You're so right.
• 1:22:49
  You're so right. It's like two different stories.
• 1:22:52
  It's two completely different stories.
• 1:22:55
  And also, I love the fact that our male lead is described as
• 1:23:00
  this very, like, ordinary, very plain guy, and yet everybody's
• 1:23:04
  in love with him. Can we just?
• 1:23:06
  Literally, right. Everybody's in love with him.
• 1:23:08
  Dude is in. All three women.
• 1:23:10
  All three women are in love with him at some point, so.
• 1:23:13
  Also like, what's there to like about him?
• 1:23:14
  Like, let me just let me just go for one June for a second
• 1:23:18
  because I'm confused about what is appealing about him other
• 1:23:22
  than he's hot and he's hot. Really don't like ordinary
• 1:23:26
  ordinary. He was like having conversations
• 1:23:27
  with people and I'm like. Where's the personality?
• 1:23:31
  Like land. Yeah, he's a bit, yeah.
• 1:23:34
  I think he's the type of character that is just like a
• 1:23:37
  people, people pleaser. So he'll just kind of like go,
• 1:23:40
  go along, you know? I saw some people like making
• 1:23:44
  reference that he's kind of like a golden retriever and I'm like,
• 1:23:47
  no, I don't think so. I don't.
• 1:23:49
  He was. I felt like he was socially
• 1:23:51
  stunted with women. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:52
  Because when he talked to his buddy, he was all like, he was
• 1:23:56
  very chatty. He could talk about anything,
• 1:23:58
  everything, whatever. But when it came to the women,
• 1:24:02
  he was very awkward and like, and it was maybe because he did,
• 1:24:06
  you know, he liked Jinju. So he was like, awkward about
• 1:24:09
  the fact that he had told her he liked her and she dipped on him
• 1:24:12
  like completely ghosted him kind of thing.
• 1:24:15
  That wasn't that was on her too. Yeah, no, that wasn't on her.
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  And then I think with, I think with Duna it was more the whole.
• 1:24:23
  At first she was very standoffish to him and he didn't
• 1:24:25
  know why and he was like, OK, I'm just gonna like, who is
• 1:24:28
  this? Like she?
• 1:24:28
  Why does she hate me so much already not realizing that the
• 1:24:32
  hoodie he was wearing that his friend gave him was her group.
• 1:24:37
  First of all, how do you not know that as your best friend is
• 1:24:41
  the biggest fanboy of this? Group and he gives like he's an
• 1:24:43
  idiot. Logo on it.
• 1:24:45
  How is he in engineering or whatever for he's in?
• 1:24:49
  But yeah, so like, that was with him and with her.
• 1:24:52
  And then the other one, he just absolutely hated her.
• 1:24:56
  Simply because she was friendly, right?
• 1:24:59
  She wasn't. She was.
• 1:25:01
  I mean, she was a lot to handle. It was a lot, but she wasn't
• 1:25:05
  like that as a kid. She just wanted to be a friend
• 1:25:07
  as a kid. Well, yeah, but some people
• 1:25:09
  don't want to be friends. I'm like.
• 1:25:11
  I guess you keep pushing and keep pushing and keep pushing,
• 1:25:15
  like if you're imposing on somebody like like I.
• 1:25:19
  Mean I think it was well I think with their relationship it was
• 1:25:22
  more so the the the parents had started that and so she had this
• 1:25:27
  mindset of. I he's he's my future husband
• 1:25:31
  and whatnot, so maybe that's why she became so pushy, but yeah.
• 1:25:36
  OK, so let's talk about things that don't make sense, like
• 1:25:40
  every whole show. The what?
• 1:25:41
  Besides the whole show, I'm referring to their sex scene,
• 1:25:45
  which begin with oh, I'll take off my shirt.
• 1:25:49
  My wet. Shirt I can't.
• 1:25:50
  I can't. But I was like I.
• 1:25:54
  Was like homegrown. First of all, it's a crop.
• 1:25:55
  Top Second of all, it's loose fitting.
• 1:25:58
  Third of all, it's not like like athleisure that's like spandex
• 1:26:03
  and stuck to your body and that when it gets wet, OK, maybe you
• 1:26:05
  need a little help getting it off.
• 1:26:07
  I was like, how can she not take off her shirt?
• 1:26:10
  I was truly baffled by take Off My.
• 1:26:13
  Shirt, I will say, though they're they're kissing under
• 1:26:18
  the bridge. That was OK.
• 1:26:22
  I I don't know you guys which? 1 the.
• 1:26:27
  First one or when they're sneaking off.
• 1:26:31
  It's probably the first, I don't know the.
• 1:26:33
  First one, I think by the by the shared house still.
• 1:26:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:37
  I I will say though, I don't know how well this was at normal
• 1:26:41
  speed because I did not watch it at normal speed.
• 1:26:44
  And sometimes speed up kiss scenes work like a charm.
• 1:26:48
  They make them so much better. So I don't know, but at the
• 1:26:51
  speed that I was watching, that kiss scene worked pretty well.
• 1:26:56
  I I liked their kiss scenes. Their kiss scenes were great.
• 1:27:00
  Were they the best I've ever seen?
• 1:27:01
  Absolutely not. I did enjoy.
• 1:27:04
  I did enjoy the reverse countertop as I've called it and
• 1:27:10
  like. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:11
  The. One being pushed up to the
• 1:27:13
  countertop. I really liked that.
• 1:27:16
  I thought that was really like. I thought that was a good one I
• 1:27:20
  did like. Both under the bridge scenes,
• 1:27:24
  under the bridge kiss scenes where they were like sneaking
• 1:27:28
  off and he like pushes her into the into the wall and then I
• 1:27:32
  think she spins him and pushes him against.
• 1:27:34
  I liked, I liked their kissing scenes.
• 1:27:36
  I did enjoy their kissing. Scenes.
• 1:27:37
  It was all right to me. Yeah.
• 1:27:39
  It was OK. It was, yeah.
• 1:27:41
  OK, I saw it wasn't the best. I did like them though.
• 1:27:43
  I did like them. I just, yeah, I feel like I
• 1:27:47
  should change my rating of this. After after everything, after
• 1:27:52
  everything I've complained about like I can't, I can't validate
• 1:27:56
  MY39 based on jinju, you know. Do we have anything else that we
• 1:28:01
  want to talk about? Because I we can't sit here for
• 1:28:03
  another hour and just really bash on this.
• 1:28:06
  Show I know, I know. I don't think I have anything.
• 1:28:11
  You're good. Yeah, I'm good.
• 1:28:13
  Like I it's done. I'm, it's behind me.
• 1:28:16
  I don't intend on revisiting again.
• 1:28:19
  I'm going to go and go back to my only full love after this for
• 1:28:23
  some therapy. Fair enough.
• 1:28:26
  Fair enough. Anything else you wanted to add,
• 1:28:28
  Sam, about the show? No.
• 1:28:31
  I I honestly, I like after after doing this.
• 1:28:34
  I'm kind of like enraged by the show that I'm like, why did I
• 1:28:38
  like this? So much.
• 1:28:40
  There was also, like the two faced CEO of the company, the
• 1:28:44
  entertainment company. They were like the manager made
• 1:28:47
  it a point of saying I'm not the one that's suing you, it's the
• 1:28:49
  it's the president. Or.
• 1:28:51
  The CEO who's doing it. So then they finally show the
• 1:28:53
  CEO later when she's saying when Dunas like I'm going to come
• 1:28:56
  back and I'm going to be a soloist and all this stuff and
• 1:28:58
  the. CEO is super.
• 1:28:59
  Agreeable. Yeah.
• 1:29:01
  And she. Was like, yeah, that was
• 1:29:02
  confusing. I was like, wait, wait, wait, If
• 1:29:04
  this was, if this is how it could have been, why didn't you
• 1:29:07
  just do that? And she wouldn't have even had
• 1:29:09
  to leave and all this kind of stuff.
• 1:29:11
  I think for me as my last point, the thing that I'm most mad
• 1:29:15
  about this, it's the fact that the show had so much potential
• 1:29:19
  and they wasted it because that is also that is like a crime to
• 1:29:25
  waste like potential that yeah that's that's all my my
• 1:29:32
  thoughts. Can I tell you when I first saw,
• 1:29:35
  like, even the trailer or like those, you know, two second
• 1:29:39
  teasers? Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:40
  Yeah, of this show. Can I tell you I thought it was
• 1:29:42
  a horror show because the font gave me horror vibes.
• 1:29:50
  Yeah, the Duna font. The Duna.
• 1:29:52
  Font is very like oh. What is is this a thriller?
• 1:29:56
  Is this like a psychological thriller?
• 1:29:57
  Like, I literally thought that and like all of these like, you
• 1:30:00
  know, little things that they would they would hint at, like,
• 1:30:04
  you know, her little hanging photo card.
• 1:30:06
  I'm like I I was waiting for blood to splatter on it.
• 1:30:09
  Like, I literally, when I first saw the ads for this, I was 100%
• 1:30:15
  convinced it was a horror show. You know what?
• 1:30:17
  I wouldn't put it past a Korean drama to do that.
• 1:30:21
  It makes a lot of sense. You know what?
• 1:30:22
  It would have been way more interesting as it would have
• 1:30:24
  idle horror. Yeah, that would have been cool.
• 1:30:27
  Like like there's a, you know she left the industry because
• 1:30:32
  there was some sort of a murder or something around that would.
• 1:30:36
  Have. Yeah.
• 1:30:36
  And she, like, had to stay safe from that stalker person.
• 1:30:41
  That would have been a good reason for like her, yeah.
• 1:30:45
  And it's another idol that's committing the murders, which is
• 1:30:48
  why the exactly. Look at this guys.
• 1:30:51
  We're writing our own. Look, just hire us already,
• 1:30:54
  yeah? We're available, oh.
• 1:30:57
  My God. All right, so that was our pitch
• 1:31:00
  for what Duna should have been. Do Season 2.
• 1:31:04
  Do a Season 2 and do it right. So we're going to get out of
• 1:31:08
  here. Thank you guys so much for
• 1:31:10
  coming on the show. Where can we find you guys
• 1:31:13
  online? For those who haven't heard the
• 1:31:15
  other episodes with you guys on them.
• 1:31:18
  So you can find me at T and Soju pod all one word over on
• 1:31:22
  Instagram and X Twitter, whatever and TikTok.
• 1:31:29
  And if you would love more Chinese, I tend to focus on
• 1:31:33
  Chinese dramas but you know reviews.
• 1:31:35
  And also we have Jess on every month now.
• 1:31:38
  So exactly You can search up the T and Soju C drama podcast on
• 1:31:46
  Spotify, Apple Podcasts and all all of those places.
• 1:31:50
  And I have Korean from Context. You can find me on Instagram,
• 1:31:55
  TikTok with Korean from Context and X, which I don't really use,
• 1:32:01
  so don't waste your time. And then I actually do host a
• 1:32:06
  podcast with one of my best friends called the BL Buddies
• 1:32:09
  Podcast. You can find us on Instagram,
• 1:32:13
  YouTube, Spotify, all that stuff under BL Buddies a podcast.
• 1:32:18
  And we've both guessed it on your podcast and you.
• 1:32:20
  Did you? Did.
• 1:32:22
  Maybe. We'll have to have a quadruple,
• 1:32:26
  Yeah. Oh my God.
• 1:32:27
  What? Is the spring?
• 1:32:27
  Is that a quartet? Quartet.
• 1:32:30
  Yeah. There you go.
• 1:32:30
  Let's do this. We'll do a I'm.
• 1:32:33
  Down. I'm down Give.
• 1:32:34
  Me. Another BL.
• 1:32:35
  I'll eat that deal, but OK. Thank you so much for coming on
• 1:32:40
  this Duna journey with us. And if you have anything you'd
• 1:32:43
  like to say to us, we are more than happy to talk to you in our
• 1:32:45
  DMS on all the socials. You know where to find us and
• 1:32:48
  that's it. That's been our show.
• 1:32:50
  I'm Jessica and this is the Teba K Rambles podcast.
• 1:32:54
  I will take time. More.
• 1:32:58
  Steps towards you. When you move back, there's no
• 1:33:03
  reason it's needed for. Me, even though it's too far.
• 1:33:14
  It doesn't matter where you are, my thoughts always go back to
• 1:33:18
  you because it's you.