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Furness Show 4-27: Hugh Millen on Seahawks Draft, Mollywhop Monday, Jadarian Price · The Ian Furness Show

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Speaker 1: All right, draft is over. We're gonna check in with
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Speaker 1: our guy, Hugh milling here in about fifteen minutes time
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Speaker 1: do a little hardcore football on a Monday. I guess
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Speaker 1: three hour show off to revisit. When we're gonna do
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Speaker 1: hardcore football next year, Maybe we'll do it in the
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Speaker 1: noon hour on Monday, so we'll see. But that's coming
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Speaker 1: up in a second. We spent a lot of quality
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Speaker 1: time together Hugh Mallon, myself, Rob rang over the last
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Speaker 1: few days on Thursday, Friday, and then Rob and I
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Speaker 1: Saturday held it down from nine to noon before Chuck
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Speaker 1: took over and then Chris Kidd and Jackson Felts. You
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Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna start here for a second.
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Speaker 1: We joke a lot. I joke a lot about, you know,
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Speaker 1: the company not being a company guy. None of us are,
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Speaker 1: nobody is. The man doesn't do anybody any favors anymore
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Speaker 1: in this world, right. We always say that's true. It's
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Speaker 1: very true. It doesn't matter what business you're in, who
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Speaker 1: you work for.
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Speaker 2: It's hard.
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Speaker 1: The man doesn't like us a little common folk. But
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the company guy now. I just what
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Speaker 1: we do over the course of three days of an
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Speaker 1: NFL draft is remarkable. The time, the effort, the hours
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Speaker 1: that people put in the content that you receive, most
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Speaker 1: importantly is second to none. You know, it helps. We don't,
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Speaker 1: you know, have baseball or anything else to worry about.
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Speaker 1: We just do the draft for those three days and
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Speaker 1: with the expertise of Hugh Millen, Rob Rang specifically those
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Speaker 1: two and then you add in contributions from Greg and
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Speaker 1: Corbyn Smith on Saturday joined us for a little while
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Speaker 1: and others. If you're into the NFL draft, and lord knows,
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Speaker 1: everybody seems to be, it's a big deal. Yeah, if
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Speaker 1: you're into the NFL draft, we just we've been doing
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Speaker 1: this for a while now, and I just find it
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Speaker 1: remarkable how everyone comes together and puts together great quality
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Speaker 1: product just out there kind of running the show and
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Speaker 1: spearheading it, and guys like Anders and Travis and Jackson
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Speaker 1: and others back here at the studio trying to gather everything.
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Speaker 1: And it's at times pretty high, not stressful, but a
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Speaker 1: lot going on. So hopefully you guys en do it.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, I believe pretty much everything is podcast.
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Speaker 1: Is that right? Is our Saturday Stuff podcast? I will
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Speaker 1: check Okay, hopefully all our stuff is podcast from that
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 3: All eight hours of Saturday's coverages podcast our seven and
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Speaker 3: nine stuff on Thursday Friday. Hopefully yep that stuff.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you missed any of it, it's all
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Speaker 1: up there, you can go listen to it again. We
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Speaker 1: had a ton of fun and shout out to to
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks and their pr staff. They're they're the best
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Speaker 1: in town.
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Speaker 4: They were unbelievably kind and accommodating, the hospitality and everything
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Speaker 4: that you.
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Speaker 1: Do and always have been. Dave Pearson and his staff
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Speaker 1: are great, and you know, we just we just appreciate
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Speaker 1: going out there because I know, I mean listening for
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Speaker 1: being honest, that's what people want. People want more Seahawk news.
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Speaker 1: It's they're the five hundred pound grill in this town.
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Speaker 1: And anyway we go, all right, So before we get
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Speaker 1: hu on, the story of the weekend really for Seattle
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Speaker 1: was really kind of I would say the first four
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Speaker 1: picks about as chalky as you can get. Now, how
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Speaker 1: you get there and who you pick and so forth.
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Speaker 1: But just they needed a running back one. They drafted
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Speaker 1: running back one on Friday or Thursday. They needed some
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Speaker 1: help in the secondary Bud Clark. Julian Neal took care
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Speaker 1: of that on day two with the second and third
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Speaker 1: round picks. We then go into day three. This is
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Speaker 1: where it was a little bit more fun and interesting
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Speaker 1: and kind of got at a little crazy. We go
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Speaker 1: into round into day three in rounds four through seven
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Speaker 1: and sat down there on Saturday morning did Rob and myself.
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Speaker 1: Jess was there hanging out, making sure we got on
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Speaker 1: the air and we did what we're supposed to do,
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Speaker 1: made sure we did all the things we're supposed to do,
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Speaker 1: and we were assuming there'll be nothing going on until
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Speaker 1: about twelve o three pm right after noon when the
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Speaker 1: Seahawks were scheduled to draft, and that would have been
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Speaker 1: a fifth a sixth round pick. John Schnet actually walked
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Speaker 1: through the media room and there was like, oh, it
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Speaker 1: was early. There's like four of us, four of us,
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Speaker 1: there's a three of us. You Robin, I yep. Corbyn
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Speaker 1: was there.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was pretty empty.
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Speaker 1: Greg, I think was there, and that might have been
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Speaker 1: about it. In fact, I think that was about it.
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Speaker 1: Craig wasn't there yet. Because I mentioned it to him,
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Speaker 1: he goes, oh really, yeah, I know. So they walked
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Speaker 1: through stutter walks through and he's just looking like going
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Speaker 1: stir crazy, like he's got nothing going on, like he's
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Speaker 1: and we're thinking, all right, yeah, they're they're definitely not
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Speaker 1: doing anything until they picked with that sixth pick, and
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Speaker 1: though and behold, lo and behold. They moved down in
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Speaker 1: the fifth round and and you know they they ended
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Speaker 1: up picking up a bo Stevens, and then things got crazy.
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Speaker 1: I left at noon, Chuck took over, and then things
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Speaker 1: got all out of control. They go. They ended up
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Speaker 1: having four picks after we left at noon. Emmanuel Henderson,
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver, return man, special teams guy from Kansas,
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Speaker 1: Andre Fuller, a cornerback from Toledo, Devin Eastern who's a
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Speaker 1: nose tackle is massive from Minnesota, and Michael Dansby, a
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Speaker 1: cornerback from Arizona. So they ended up getting busy, so Schnedter,
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Speaker 1: something happened, and we kind of speculated when they made
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Speaker 1: a move to get Stevens the fifth round pick and
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Speaker 1: the guard out of Iowa, and Rob and I had
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Speaker 1: talked about this as well as Corbyn. They started going
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Speaker 1: down in the drafting was such a different draft this
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Speaker 1: year for Seattle, with the lack of picks next year's
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Speaker 1: draft being so deep or told going in and the
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Speaker 1: Seahawks not having a ton of picks. Greg Bell bought
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Speaker 1: up a great point earlier, and I think Hugh did
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Speaker 1: the same thing this morning when I heard him with
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Speaker 1: Chuck and Ashley. The Seahawks are in a position where
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Speaker 1: they didn't need a lot. Their roster was pretty full.
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Speaker 1: You can only have ninety at a time, and their
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Speaker 1: undrafted free agent class was going to be very small.
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Speaker 1: They also, as the defending Super Bowl champions, do not
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Speaker 1: have it easy as far as signing undrafted free agents,
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Speaker 1: because the best thing about being an undrafted free agent,
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Speaker 1: really the only good thing about being an undrafted free
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Speaker 1: agents you can kind of pick and choose where you go. Well,
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Speaker 1: an agent's not gonna want this guy to go to Seattle.
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Speaker 1: The rosters, I mean, we've gone through it. They lost
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Speaker 1: one starter on offense, they already replace that. They lost
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Speaker 1: effectively two and a half on defense. And I say
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Speaker 1: two and a half because mafe' is a rotational guy.
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Speaker 5: They'd say the same thing about Woling.
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Speaker 1: Two yeah yeah, but when the three corners, yeah yeah,
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Speaker 1: they want he's a starter and so but doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: like they didn't lose a lot. So you're an undrafted
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Speaker 1: free agent and you're like, well, they got dudes waiting
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Speaker 1: in the wings, they got depth guys. Do want to
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Speaker 1: go there? So to say what Seattle did, they went
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Speaker 1: out and they went kind of fast and hard with
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Speaker 1: the seventh round all of a sudden and they're like, okay,
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Speaker 1: let's go here we go and pick some more guys
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Speaker 1: that probably would have been undrafted free agents in a
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Speaker 1: normal year and still retain. I believe it's eleven picks.
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Speaker 1: I think they still have, including the compensitory picks for
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Speaker 1: next year. So I think John Schnett, listen, you can
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Speaker 1: read all all the grades you want everywhere. The athletic
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Speaker 1: did one today. Dan Brugler, who does the beast and
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Speaker 1: is really good at what he does. He really is,
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Speaker 1: and he had Seattle at twenty seven twenty five for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason. The funny thing is the top teams. This
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Speaker 1: tells you all you need to know. The top five
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Speaker 1: teams were all non playoff teams Cleveland, right, Giants, Las Vegas, Dallas,
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Speaker 1: and the Jets. Okay, well, yeah, there you go.
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Speaker 3: Of course they were easy to make your team better
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Speaker 3: when you suck before.
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Speaker 1: You is going to be better than what you already sack. Right, Like, listen,
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Speaker 1: I Hughes looked at every snap of all these guys,
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Speaker 1: so I'll lean on him a little bit more. I
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Speaker 1: lean on Rang a little bit more. I do tell
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Speaker 1: you this, It is fun watching Rob work. So Rob
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Speaker 1: lives in the scouting world like that's just that's and
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Speaker 1: he's out there. It's it was fun watching him like
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Speaker 1: he's he's literally if I kid you not, there's the
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Speaker 1: area of scouts come rolling around. They're grabbing a bit,
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Speaker 1: d to coffee or whatever. I see ranging there all
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Speaker 1: day Saturday. He's chiming, chimming up with these guys. So
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Speaker 1: he's got a pretty good feel is what they were
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Speaker 1: thinking and doing as well. So he'll be on with
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Speaker 1: this Friday to kind of wrap things up our final
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Speaker 1: visit with Ranger. But yeah, Hughes watched all the snaps.
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Speaker 1: I think if you're a Seahawks fan, you got to
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Speaker 1: come out of the draft feeling pretty damn good about
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Speaker 1: what your team did. I really I don't think. I don't.
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Speaker 1: For me, it's not much of a debate that the
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Speaker 1: biggest priority period end of story. By the way, a
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Speaker 1: man use up one nothing, one nil. Sorry, let's go,
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Speaker 1: come on, I know you're interested in that. They missed
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Speaker 1: a couple of point blank shots and in the eleventh
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Speaker 1: minute they just made it one nothing. Cassamiro is that
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Speaker 1: his name? He just excellent knocked in a header for you.
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Speaker 6: All right.
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Speaker 1: I just want you to be focused on the show,
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Speaker 1: so I feel I'll give you those updates as need be.
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Speaker 1: We should have breaking news. Yeah no, we're good. But
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Speaker 1: they but here's the thing. They needed to dress the
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Speaker 1: running back situation. One hundred percent needed to address the
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Speaker 1: running back situation. And the running back situation was addressed
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Speaker 1: on Thursday with that first pick. And that's all you
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Speaker 1: can ask, which is perfect exactly. So that's what they did,
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Speaker 1: and away you go. They've addressed it. And the Seahawks
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Speaker 1: then added to the secondary and they've got a guy
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Speaker 1: depth wiser at guard that can maybe come in and
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Speaker 1: compete with Anthony Bradford, or if not compete, gives you
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Speaker 1: depth because Christian Haynes apparently ain't it. They've given him
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Speaker 1: enough chances, so it's time to move on and find
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Speaker 1: some depth of guard position. All right, we'll take a break,
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Speaker 1: we'll come back. Keep an eye on the thing. Tim
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Speaker 1: Booth will have a story up in the Sandle Times
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9:39
Speaker 1: what the latest on the NBA expansion front is. I
9:43
Speaker 1: will tell you this, it's it's about timing. You may
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Speaker 1: not like it, but it may not be that much
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Speaker 1: of a dire situation, so I'll just leave it at that,
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Speaker 1: you know, whto something that's come up. Humellon. The Seahawks
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Speaker 1: announced about ten minutes ago they have released cam Acres.
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Speaker 1: They now have six running backs on the roster. So
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Speaker 1: cam Akers has been released. Uh, probably not a surprise.
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Speaker 1: A little bit of a glut there, older back and
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Speaker 1: they of course drafted Judarian Price in the first round.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about him and so much more. First of all,
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Speaker 1: my friend, great to have you on number two. Great
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Speaker 1: to spend time with you the last those those couple
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Speaker 1: of days up there, those seven to nine shows. It's
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Speaker 1: it's it's become a tradition, you and Rob and I
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Speaker 1: from seven to nine. I think we've done it for
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Speaker 1: like fifteen sixteen years. It feels like and love love though.
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Speaker 1: I honestly, just as a football fan, just enjoy those shows.
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Speaker 1: So great having you on with us those few days.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things where you always just
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Speaker 2: forget you're on the air. Yeah, you know, you're just
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Speaker 2: talking to a couple of buddies about a topic you love.
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Speaker 2: And you're like, oh yeah, shude, I got a I
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Speaker 2: got a headset on, and I got there's a microphone
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Speaker 2: right there. Like you know, it's just it's fun to
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Speaker 2: wrap about a great football team and you know, a
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Speaker 2: successful group. You know, it's interesting with you think in
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Speaker 2: sports we have we know percentages, right, Like if you're
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Speaker 2: in the NBA, you know you should be over eighty
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Speaker 2: percent free throw right, but and you should you know
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Speaker 2: you're good good if you're over forty percent from three. Well,
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Speaker 2: there's a big difference between eighty and forty percent, right,
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Speaker 2: you know, hockey goalie, what's got to be ninety eight
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Speaker 2: ninety Ye, So all these gms, even the best, are
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Speaker 2: well under fifty percent and in terms of their hit rate,
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Speaker 2: and so you just kind of go into this with
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Speaker 2: the relatively few, you know, the fewest in all of
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Speaker 2: the league, just four picks, and you say, okay, this
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Speaker 2: has got to be a draft where your percentages are
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Speaker 2: a little high, Like we got to get you know,
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Speaker 2: we got to get two good guys, you know, hopefully
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Speaker 2: three out of four. And then you know, you always
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Speaker 2: had the thought that they were going to grow four
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Speaker 2: into whatever. They grew four into eight. But I still
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Speaker 2: feel like, you know, you're just kind of crossing your
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Speaker 2: fingers that that they can accelerate that percentage because next
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Speaker 2: year they're going to have I think they're down to ten, right,
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Speaker 2: but I bet you, I bet you that if need be,
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Speaker 2: you'll see John Schnyder turned ten into twelve or thirteen. Yeah. Then,
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Speaker 2: and then of course you absorb a little bit lower
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Speaker 2: hit rate. But when you only have four picks, it
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Speaker 2: puts a a little bit of a stress on your
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Speaker 2: on your percentages, and so hopefully Schnyder hit some high
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Speaker 2: percentages here.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 1: And you know, as I mentioned to Jess and and Anders,
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Speaker 1: I mean and Jess was sitting there when when Mike
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Speaker 1: John Sheider rolls into the media area where we're doing
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Speaker 1: our show at nine am, is about what nine to fifteen, Jess,
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Speaker 1: like nine to fifteen or so on on Saturday. He
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Speaker 1: comes walking through, way, what's going on? You guys are live? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're live. Oh okay, walks away and it's like the
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Speaker 1: guy was like he was just kind of going so
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Speaker 1: crazy and bored, and we're like, is he really going
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Speaker 1: to wait until noon or so? And the sixth round
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Speaker 1: and the answer was no. Four trades later, they end
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Speaker 1: up with the eight draft picks when it's all said
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Speaker 1: and done. So I do want to hit on a
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Speaker 1: couple of guys that you know, we hit on late
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Speaker 1: on Thursday or late on Friday. Obviously Price was Thursday night.
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Speaker 1: That pick was made after you know, normal hours, so
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Speaker 1: we'll hit on him, and then definitely want to hit
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Speaker 1: on Bud Clark and Julian Neil and Bo Stevens will
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Speaker 1: kind of take it from there and see how much
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Speaker 1: time we have. Let's just go with from This is
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Speaker 1: hardcore football. So Jadari and Price back up running back
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Speaker 1: at Notre Dame to the number three overall pick. But
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Speaker 1: what he likes to run and what the Seahawks like
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Speaker 1: to run in terms of offense, that's a fit. Can
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Speaker 1: you walk us through that?
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Speaker 2: Well, when you say the Seahawks like to run outside zone,
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Speaker 2: just be aware of what that means. Where now we're
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Speaker 2: going to refer to percentages again. The Seahawks only ran
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Speaker 2: thirty eight percent of their runs outside zone. That by
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Speaker 2: definite definition makes you an outside zone team. They still
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Speaker 2: run out inside zone. They want what's called duo where
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Speaker 2: you're down blocking at the point of attack, but you
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Speaker 2: don't have a polar. They still have what's called gap scheme,
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Speaker 2: which is power and counter which is down blocking. So
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Speaker 2: what does that mean if you're going to run, You're
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Speaker 2: going to run Price over right guard. You know, when
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Speaker 2: you have down blocking towards the ball towards the middle,
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Speaker 2: then that that's what's called duo if you don't have
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Speaker 2: a polar. But then if you have a polar from
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Speaker 2: the backside, if the left guard is pulling as a generalrule,
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Speaker 2: you'd say, that's what's called gap scheme. Now that you know,
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Speaker 2: trap technically could be in that, uh, that description as well,
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Speaker 2: but primarily the gap scheme the power in the counter.
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Speaker 2: That's where the running back you say you're watching, okay,
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Speaker 2: how does he get in behind a runner or a
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Speaker 2: blocker rather as a runner and then playoff of that
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Speaker 2: pulling but you know the backside guards coming, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: get in his wake, right and almost like your water skiing,
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Speaker 2: you know, inner tube and behind a boat, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: get in his wake and then I'm gonna read off
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Speaker 2: that block. That's a different type of skill set when
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Speaker 2: you when you say outside zone typically and I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: get to the alignment because it is hardcore football typically
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Speaker 2: and uh, you know, I've sat in on the meetings
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Speaker 2: when Alex Gibbs, the godfather of the outside zone, was
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Speaker 2: going through everybody's responsibility and including the quarterback. And when
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Speaker 2: Alex Gibbs takes a laser pointer and he puts it
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Speaker 2: on John Elway and he says, quarterback, carry out your fake,
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Speaker 2: you know, like like you know, damn well, that guy's
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Speaker 2: got the room and he's got an expectation for everybody
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Speaker 2: on there, and and and he would just he would
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Speaker 2: coach up Terrell Davis, who was a rookie UH that year,
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Speaker 2: and he would just say, hey, listen, on an overfront,
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Speaker 2: you know you're gonna have the three technique in the
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Speaker 2: B gap. Expect it like this. You know if underfront
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Speaker 2: you know what they call nava hop front, all these fronts.
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Speaker 2: And he would get Terrell to just kind of anticipate
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Speaker 2: based on the front where the hole is going to hit.
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Speaker 2: But in any event, this is the general rule. If
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Speaker 2: if the running backs in what's called the dot position
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Speaker 2: that's behind the quarterback, he's going to run stretch right,
17:47
Speaker 2: that's outside zone. What he's looking at is what's the block.
17:51
Speaker 2: And this applies to whether it's to the tight end
17:53
Speaker 2: or whether it's to the weak side. And and you're
17:57
Speaker 2: talking about the open side tackle. But you're reading the
18:00
Speaker 2: man offensive blocker and he's trying to hook. He's trying
18:06
Speaker 2: to get to the outside leverage, outside arm of the
18:10
Speaker 2: technically armpit of the defender that has the responsibility to
18:15
Speaker 2: hold the edge. If he can hook him, then that's
18:18
Speaker 2: your read. It's like okay, ghosts now sprint to the
18:21
Speaker 2: sideline as fast as you can go, and and and
18:24
Speaker 2: this is going to become a very wide play outside
18:27
Speaker 2: the numbers. Certainly maybe up the sideline. If if you
18:30
Speaker 2: can't hook that guy, then now your eyes just going
18:33
Speaker 2: one one guy in, you know, the three technique or
18:36
Speaker 2: whatever the front is the then the defensive tackle, then
18:40
Speaker 2: the next one inside, and you keep you keep reading,
18:43
Speaker 2: for hey, is that man getting hooked? What does hook mean?
18:48
Speaker 2: Hook means is the offensive player is able to get
18:51
Speaker 2: to the outside shoulder of the defensive player. That's what
18:53
Speaker 2: a hook is. And so you're just looking for the hook.
18:56
Speaker 2: And if you don't get the hook, then you just
18:57
Speaker 2: keep going inside. And all of this is pros quickly
19:01
Speaker 2: and and and and you want to read this by
19:05
Speaker 2: your third step, and make this this step, and make
19:09
Speaker 2: the steps by your fifth step. So when you see
19:12
Speaker 2: these outside zone hits the fifth step, the running back
19:16
Speaker 2: he's if he's going to go up the field and
19:18
Speaker 2: not try and get wide, he's going to do it
19:20
Speaker 2: by the fifth step. But of course he has to
19:22
Speaker 2: make the decision before, uh, you know, to allow his
19:25
Speaker 2: you know, brain neurologically to connect to his feet. Like
19:28
Speaker 2: all of this is real stuff. And uh and and
19:32
Speaker 2: so that they're there in lies kind of the responsibility
19:35
Speaker 2: for the running back. But I mentioned the dot position
19:38
Speaker 2: in watching every single snap uh that Jadarian Price had
19:43
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame one hundred and thirteen carries when they
19:47
Speaker 2: were when they ran outside zone. They started the first
19:51
Speaker 2: couple of games, they would go pistol and the and
19:53
Speaker 2: the the back is behind the quarterback. But then they
19:57
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they gravitated to having the running back offset.
20:02
Speaker 2: What does that mean if we're going stretch right instead
20:05
Speaker 2: of the running back being behind the center, you can
20:08
Speaker 2: line up with the ball whether it's in pistol or
20:11
Speaker 2: whether you're under center. And by the way, Notre Dame
20:13
Speaker 2: only had one Jedarion Price had one snap the entire
20:17
Speaker 2: season with the quarterback under center. They operated entirely out
20:20
Speaker 2: of shotgun. But but getting back to outside zone, so
20:24
Speaker 2: now Price instead of being behind the center, he's he's
20:28
Speaker 2: on the outside leg of the left guard, so he's
20:32
Speaker 2: got far there. Just you know, just draw a tape
20:35
Speaker 2: measure to to where he has to get If he's
20:38
Speaker 2: going to stretch that play and get to the outside,
20:42
Speaker 2: it's longer developing like the defense that's flowing to that
20:46
Speaker 2: spot they have they already have a head start on
20:50
Speaker 2: on price because of where price aligned. So when price
20:54
Speaker 2: comes on and he tells us that he like he
20:58
Speaker 2: gets the cutback more that he likes a cutback infire.
21:00
Speaker 2: In fact, I asked him, hey, would you rather when
21:03
Speaker 2: you run the stretch? Would you rather what do you
21:05
Speaker 2: like better where you you hit it and it gets
21:07
Speaker 2: to the sideline, and he had some plays like that
21:10
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame. Or do you like the cutback? He says,
21:12
Speaker 2: I like the cutback, And and that makes sense because
21:18
Speaker 2: he's far more likely to get the cutback from that
21:22
Speaker 2: offset alignment. So now the question is going to be
21:27
Speaker 2: for him, everything's going to speed up on his timing
21:31
Speaker 2: as to when he can get to that that aiming point.
21:35
Speaker 2: You know, you know generally the the butt crack of
21:38
Speaker 2: the tight end is what it is. And uh to
21:42
Speaker 2: use the terms that you hear in a in a
21:44
Speaker 2: meeting room, and and all that's gonna come faster to him.
21:48
Speaker 2: And in theory, if you got a j Barner is
21:51
Speaker 2: doing a good job, you know they're gonna he's gonna
21:53
Speaker 2: give him some opportunities to get outside. And so now
21:57
Speaker 2: does he have the burst to get outside of the
22:00
Speaker 2: tight end when the tight end is again hooking the defender.
22:03
Speaker 2: The end man on the line of scrimmage in a
22:05
Speaker 2: in a playbook NFL playbook, you see e M l
22:07
Speaker 2: O s E M l os I've been seeing. I
22:09
Speaker 2: saw that for twenty years, uh, you know, counting earlier
22:12
Speaker 2: stages of football. But that end man on the line
22:15
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, he's got to set that edge and the
22:18
Speaker 2: tight end's got to hook him, and and generally more
22:21
Speaker 2: often than not, the defense wins that battle. So you
22:25
Speaker 2: are even when the running backs and the dot, the
22:29
Speaker 2: ball's gonna the ball's gonna cut back on some level,
22:32
Speaker 2: it's you know, either get north or even sometimes cut
22:35
Speaker 2: back across the backside center. You know, if you actually
22:39
Speaker 2: watch how the offensive now the offense, all the gaps
22:41
Speaker 2: are shifting because everybody's stepping to the right and trying
22:45
Speaker 2: to reach to the right on a stretch right. So
22:47
Speaker 2: you could say, you could say the backside a gap,
22:51
Speaker 2: which is the gap between the center and the guard.
22:55
Speaker 2: You know, if the ball's on the left hash and
22:58
Speaker 2: you go stretch right, you say, well, the back side
23:00
Speaker 2: a gap is to the left of the hask. Well,
23:03
Speaker 2: once you snap the ball and all the line is
23:05
Speaker 2: is traversing sideways. Now, all of a sudden, the backside
23:09
Speaker 2: a gap is where when when you hit it, that
23:14
Speaker 2: that might be where the front side tackle was. Does
23:18
Speaker 2: that make sense because because all the gaps are moving
23:21
Speaker 2: once the ball is snapped. So there's Okay, what's the takeaway.
23:25
Speaker 2: That's a lot of detail about the challenge. How can
23:29
Speaker 2: we summarize it? Jedarian Price is going to be closer
23:34
Speaker 2: to the stretch than he was at college. He's gonna
23:38
Speaker 2: have to make his decisions. His decision is gonna come
23:42
Speaker 2: a little faster, and and and and he's gonna have
23:47
Speaker 2: to if he sees the operation, he's gonna have more
23:50
Speaker 2: opportunity to probably, let's call it twenty five percent of
23:55
Speaker 2: the time, he's gonna have an opportunity to turn that
23:57
Speaker 2: into a true stretch. And he's got to be able
23:59
Speaker 2: to do that and be effective. He's got to have
24:02
Speaker 2: the acceleration to be able to do that, because then
24:06
Speaker 2: everything flows off of that. You know that the defense goes,
24:10
Speaker 2: holy cow, we got you know, all the linebackers they
24:12
Speaker 2: have to sprint to the ball. Well, that it really
24:14
Speaker 2: helps your play action, your naked keep game with the
24:17
Speaker 2: quarterback on the bootlegs and so, uh, you know, being
24:21
Speaker 2: able to get to the actually get to the outside
24:24
Speaker 2: on outside zone is real important. We'll see a price
24:27
Speaker 2: can do it because you're gonna have a different look
24:29
Speaker 2: than he had in call it when you.
24:30
Speaker 1: See when you watch him on tape, Hugh, Hugh Millen,
24:32
Speaker 1: Joni is hardcore football and you watch him, I'm thinking
24:35
Speaker 1: of those cutbacks and like you said, if everything's flowing
24:37
Speaker 1: to the right and then the A gap is flowing
24:39
Speaker 1: there and all of a sudden boom, he sees that's
24:41
Speaker 1: where the hole is. Do you see a guy? And
24:44
Speaker 1: that what he told you when you asked him. We'll
24:46
Speaker 1: play that interview by the way, coming up at two
24:47
Speaker 1: o'clock today when you ask him that. Do you see
24:49
Speaker 1: that in his game? Do you see that ability in
24:51
Speaker 1: his game?
24:51
Speaker 9: Oh?
24:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's one of his his real great strengths.
24:54
Speaker 2: Is there's only one I should have written down who
24:58
Speaker 2: the opponent was seen a lot of opponents because I've
25:01
Speaker 2: seen a lot of tape, but I I do remember
25:03
Speaker 2: that actually happened to be Uh, he was going inside
25:07
Speaker 2: zone left and and I thought he had a cutback
25:11
Speaker 2: going back to the right and that and I rewound it,
25:13
Speaker 2: and I go, wait a minute, that that's a lot
25:15
Speaker 2: of steps to have to gather yourself. That doesn't look
25:17
Speaker 2: like a top flight running back to me and and
25:21
Speaker 2: and so you know, there's there's there's a run or
25:24
Speaker 2: two on there that that you're you're you're left unimpressed.
25:30
Speaker 2: But fortunately they're conspicuous because it's it's in contrast to
25:34
Speaker 2: the other times when I see him cut back, he's
25:36
Speaker 2: able to do it at near full speed and he
25:39
Speaker 2: sees it and he's got the athleticism and the strength
25:44
Speaker 2: in his legs to be able to make those cuts
25:46
Speaker 2: at full speed. So on the on the rare occasions
25:48
Speaker 2: that he didn't, it's like, whoa, okay, that that that
25:52
Speaker 2: doesn't look good. And you know, thankfully you don't see
25:55
Speaker 2: that a lot. I would say the other the other
25:57
Speaker 2: time where you find yourself unimpressed, At least I found
26:00
Speaker 2: myself unimpressed. As a couple of finishes, you feel like
26:04
Speaker 2: he could move the pocket more like like he goes
26:07
Speaker 2: down hard and easy sometimes, you know, and at two
26:11
Speaker 2: hundred three pounds, I mean, he's not going to finish
26:13
Speaker 2: like Marshon Lynz right, and and there was a there
26:15
Speaker 2: was a rep for example, And again I looked at
26:17
Speaker 2: every single carry that he had, So this isn't just me.
26:23
Speaker 2: Happened to have seen some highlight tape or something. But
26:27
Speaker 2: he had to play against USC where the safety came
26:30
Speaker 2: out of the middle and came up and just smacked
26:33
Speaker 2: him and he went down hard, and the safety was,
26:35
Speaker 2: you know, woofing over and what have you, and you
26:38
Speaker 2: just go, okay, I'd rather I would like to see
26:40
Speaker 2: more physicality from my my RB one.
26:44
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Uh right, Yeah, but but there's enough there. And
26:47
Speaker 1: I know you we talked about him a lot and
26:49
Speaker 1: you like him. We'll hear that interview. He's part of
26:50
Speaker 1: that interview coming up at two o clock. Yeah, let
26:52
Speaker 1: me stay on the offensive side for the final five
26:54
Speaker 1: minutes of this segment. Then we'll talk about the DB's
26:57
Speaker 1: in the second segment. Here in a second, let's talk
26:59
Speaker 1: about Bo Stevens. I didn't get a chance to hear
27:01
Speaker 1: your thoughts on him because that was a Saturday thing
27:04
Speaker 1: and it kind of took us all by surprise. We
27:05
Speaker 1: didn't think they're gonna pick until late. They ended up
27:08
Speaker 1: doing it and making a trade. They get Bo Stevens
27:11
Speaker 1: the guard out of Iowa. They actually moved down or
27:14
Speaker 1: I guess up, I'm sorry up to go get him
27:16
Speaker 1: out of Iowa. He was an All American big dude
27:20
Speaker 1: state at Iowa. The whole loyalty thing they talked about
27:22
Speaker 1: was kind of in play again, but Iowa offensive lineman.
27:25
Speaker 1: Usually we kind of like to hear those words together.
27:28
Speaker 1: And if we're being honest, Bradford, even if Bradford's our guy,
27:32
Speaker 1: he's in the last year of his contract and number
27:35
Speaker 1: two and the other part of that is that Christian
27:37
Speaker 1: Haynes and others have had a chance to beat him
27:38
Speaker 1: out and nobody has. Do you see enough in Boa
27:40
Speaker 1: Stevens that he thinks that you think he can come
27:42
Speaker 1: in and compete?
27:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it's interesting here. First of all, yes,
27:45
Speaker 2: you love the brand Iowa offensive lineman. You know there's
27:48
Speaker 2: a standard of toughness, they're intelligent, what have you. They
27:52
Speaker 2: push a lot of guys into the NFL, as you mentioned,
27:54
Speaker 2: is big dude eighty six percent out six five and
27:56
Speaker 2: a half. So when you watch the tape, the first
28:00
Speaker 2: thing I noticed, now, remember Iowa won the Joe Moore
28:03
Speaker 2: Award as the best offensive line in football. When you
28:06
Speaker 2: watch them on tape, you know they're they're they're cohesive,
28:09
Speaker 2: they're good.
28:09
Speaker 6: Dude.
28:10
Speaker 2: You know they had two other guys, the center and
28:12
Speaker 2: a tackle get drafted ahead of Stevens, right, So so
28:15
Speaker 2: he's he's a member of a really good line. And
28:18
Speaker 2: but he was a first team All American. And this
28:20
Speaker 2: is the thing. You if you're going to the third day,
28:23
Speaker 2: you're missing something right. Either either you show really good
28:29
Speaker 2: athletic traits but you didn't really make it happen on
28:32
Speaker 2: the football field, or the opposite of that, you were
28:36
Speaker 2: really good on the football field. But we're concerned you
28:39
Speaker 2: your your game doesn't trans translate to the NFL because
28:44
Speaker 2: you have limited athleticism. And then of course there's injuries
28:47
Speaker 2: and character things that can knock you down to the
28:49
Speaker 2: third day as well. But but this is definitely the
28:52
Speaker 2: category of the following high production, great tape, but a
28:58
Speaker 2: question whether it translates, because that's why you can't explain
29:02
Speaker 2: away why he's a fifth rounder. And by the way,
29:03
Speaker 2: Seattle had a third fourth round grade that's why they
29:06
Speaker 2: were they felt comfortable giving up next year fourth for uh,
29:11
Speaker 2: this year's fifth, because they just said uh, you know,
29:13
Speaker 2: this guy fell through the cracks. He's a fourth rounder
29:16
Speaker 2: all day, and maybe even a third round. But first
29:18
Speaker 2: team All American. No no sacks, no hits, no penalties.
29:23
Speaker 2: Last year, only four pressures, and he's had zero sacks
29:27
Speaker 2: in three seasons now. They turned their protection offen and
29:30
Speaker 2: they had an All American literally first team All American
29:33
Speaker 2: center to his right that was helping him out on
29:36
Speaker 2: a four man rush. You know, if you're going uh
29:39
Speaker 2: you know, it's called two jet protection in the West
29:41
Speaker 2: Coast offense. You know, you have a half slide with
29:43
Speaker 2: the center going to the left, and so that would
29:46
Speaker 2: often equate to a double team. So if you're a
29:49
Speaker 2: if you're a three tech going against or even a
29:52
Speaker 2: one tech going against the Iowa as a four man rush,
29:55
Speaker 2: you know the way they turn you. You got two
29:57
Speaker 2: first team All Americans blocking you right and so, but
30:01
Speaker 2: getting back to Stevens, so you really like is his technique?
30:07
Speaker 2: I just you know he's got good ankle ben, so
30:09
Speaker 2: his ass is low. When you watch the end zone copy,
30:12
Speaker 2: he say he's got the he's got the widest ass
30:14
Speaker 2: and the lowest ass of the five guys. I like
30:16
Speaker 2: both of that ankle flexion allows you to bend be low.
30:20
Speaker 2: You know, because he's six five and a half eighty
30:22
Speaker 2: six percentile on height, he's got a low man win.
30:24
Speaker 2: He's got to get leverage right, and you're not going
30:27
Speaker 2: to be able to get low man leverage unless your
30:28
Speaker 2: ankles are flexible. You can see that even in stance
30:31
Speaker 2: that it is. But here's some concerns, and I know
30:35
Speaker 2: the Seahawks had this concern, right, you see, why is
30:38
Speaker 2: it the first round draft pick if he's a first
30:40
Speaker 2: team All American from Iowa, shortest arms and the smallest
30:43
Speaker 2: hands out of twenty two guards at the at the
30:46
Speaker 2: Combine this year, is eighteen and a half miles per
30:50
Speaker 2: hour in his forty was the slowest of all players
30:53
Speaker 2: all one hundred and eighty nine players who ran at
30:55
Speaker 2: the Combine. There's some athletical limitations. Now. The dude is
30:58
Speaker 2: a you know, a little legit glass eater. You know,
31:02
Speaker 2: love like he's he's he's a maller and and a
31:06
Speaker 2: maler and a brawler. He wants to engage in the
31:09
Speaker 2: physical part of the game and sometimes too much, and
31:12
Speaker 2: he'll come up at the second level. He should be
31:15
Speaker 2: more under control. He should you know, he should he
31:18
Speaker 2: should kind of be trying to drop his hips, widen
31:21
Speaker 2: his feet, you know, get a base and and kind
31:23
Speaker 2: of more cautiously approach those those linebackers. Let the linebackers
31:27
Speaker 2: declare the the route they want to go. Do they
31:30
Speaker 2: want to go underneath them or over the top and
31:32
Speaker 2: then and then close. But he comes in hot looking
31:34
Speaker 2: for the freaking knockout punts, right, I mean he wants
31:38
Speaker 2: to Mike Tyson, Trevor berbick Uh linebackers out there, and
31:43
Speaker 2: sometimes he you know, he just gets out of position.
31:46
Speaker 2: He you know, he doesn't have enough lateral quickness to
31:48
Speaker 2: make up for that. So you see mistakes, but there
31:51
Speaker 2: are very few. You wouldn't be a first team All
31:52
Speaker 2: American if you made a lot of those mistakes. I'm
31:55
Speaker 2: just saying, you know, you know, I throw on the
31:58
Speaker 2: tape and I go, okay, why is the first team
32:00
Speaker 2: All American? You know this kind of size, Why is
32:03
Speaker 2: he waiting to you know, fall into the fifth round?
32:06
Speaker 2: And it's it's because of some of those things you
32:08
Speaker 2: don't see elites feet sideways and again a little bit
32:13
Speaker 2: over aggression, and then those sword arms are going to
32:15
Speaker 2: be you know, you know you go against the Chris
32:17
Speaker 2: Jones of the world. Yep, you know these big you know,
32:19
Speaker 2: elite into your guys that are long and strong and
32:23
Speaker 2: very athletic, and you could quickly see how he can
32:26
Speaker 2: There could be an athletic mismatch, including the arm length.
32:29
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a break. Come back. We've got
32:31
Speaker 1: to talk about Julia Neil and Bud Clark, the two
32:33
Speaker 1: dbs they took on Day two of the draft, and
32:35
Speaker 1: where they fit into the Seahawks offense or defense, I
32:38
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33:02
Speaker 2: What's your favorite defensive quality and you're rolling it so
33:05
Speaker 2: you're saying you're playing country cover three.
33:07
Speaker 8: Oh no, no, no, no no no, we're playing man.
33:11
Speaker 8: I'm gonna touch them.
33:13
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go touch them. I'm gonna
33:14
Speaker 2: go touch on somebody.
33:16
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go touch on somebody.
33:17
Speaker 8: They're not getting gassed me.
33:19
Speaker 2: And if you get.
33:19
Speaker 5: Passed, I'm gonna look back for the ball and I'm
33:22
Speaker 5: gonna get that simple and somebody.
33:26
Speaker 10: The line love it.
33:27
Speaker 2: Now, are you in off coverage or impress in this situation?
33:31
Speaker 5: I'm in president, I'm all up in your face.
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Speaker 8: Okay, I'm gonna get down and dirty with it.
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Speaker 1: Norm he was, he was almost offended. You asked if
33:41
Speaker 1: you were if if he was impressed or hot man?
33:44
Speaker 1: He was like what he taught. That's Julian Neil by
33:46
Speaker 1: the way, seahawk cornerback.
33:48
Speaker 7: Uh.
33:48
Speaker 1: Initially I think he thought you were asking about what
33:52
Speaker 1: is the country? Cover three?
33:53
Speaker 2: By the way, Well, cover three is distinguished in a
33:57
Speaker 2: few different ways. Cover three is is is three deep.
34:00
Speaker 2: It's a zone. So the deep guys have deep thirds.
34:03
Speaker 2: Now there can be three under, there can be four under,
34:07
Speaker 2: and there can be five under. As a general rule,
34:09
Speaker 2: you say there's four under. So it kind of looks
34:12
Speaker 2: like a baseball outfield and infield minus the pitcher and
34:15
Speaker 2: catcher if you can kind of uh visualize that. So
34:19
Speaker 2: what country cover three is is that everybody just kind
34:23
Speaker 2: of drops to a spot. They they're they're looking at
34:26
Speaker 2: the quarterback. And I know there's a term that Nick
34:31
Speaker 2: Saban used going back to his days when he was
34:34
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator under Bill Belichick in the mid nineties
34:37
Speaker 2: with the Browns, and in fact, Saban says that that
34:40
Speaker 2: of all people get a load of this, uh I can,
34:45
Speaker 2: I can get into the weeds on hardcore football. Of
34:47
Speaker 2: all people, the guy that influenced uh Nick Saban the
34:51
Speaker 2: most was Neil O'Donnell, the quarterback. Yes he because he
34:58
Speaker 2: now now. Saban says, guys like Marino, you can't play
35:01
Speaker 2: country cover three and country just means like, hey, it's
35:04
Speaker 2: three D four drop to your spot and you say,
35:07
Speaker 2: what's the country part. It's just like that's what they
35:09
Speaker 2: play in the country. They don't. They're you know, you
35:11
Speaker 2: go out in high country high school, it's like three
35:14
Speaker 2: D four un or they just dropped to a certain
35:15
Speaker 2: spot and then eyeball and read from there. What Saban
35:21
Speaker 2: said is that if you do that against the best quarterbacks,
35:24
Speaker 2: and he mentioned Marino, but he said they specifically that
35:27
Speaker 2: year the Steelers went to the Super Bowl and ninety
35:29
Speaker 2: four lost to the Cowboys. Said I think he said
35:32
Speaker 2: they lost to the the Steelers three times that year,
35:35
Speaker 2: you know, because they played in the playoffs as well,
35:38
Speaker 2: and he said they were hitting four verticals and they're,
35:42
Speaker 2: you know, just hitting these seams. O'Donnell an unlikely, you know,
35:48
Speaker 2: instigator of the history of football in any capacity. But
35:52
Speaker 2: he was hitting these four vert seams and the Browns
35:55
Speaker 2: were just hitting their spots. And he says, and Saban
35:58
Speaker 2: just says, we can't do this, and so that us
36:00
Speaker 2: evolve pattern match, which, if I had to really condense
36:04
Speaker 2: what that means, that basically says, if if the receivers,
36:09
Speaker 2: particularly the slot receivers, if they go vertical, we're going
36:13
Speaker 2: to play man to man, and if they go shallow,
36:16
Speaker 2: and then they say, well, if they go shallow crosses,
36:18
Speaker 2: we're gonna get picked off. We're going to be vulnerable.
36:21
Speaker 2: So the idea is if you if you do shallow across,
36:23
Speaker 2: if you go horizontal to the flat or particularly on
36:26
Speaker 2: shallow crosses, then we're going to zone it up. If
36:29
Speaker 2: you go vertical, we're going to man it up. So
36:31
Speaker 2: so those some of those pattern match man matches, zone matches,
36:35
Speaker 2: there's there's little nuances to it. But as a general rule,
36:38
Speaker 2: when when he says country cover three, he's talking about
36:42
Speaker 2: guys just dropping to a spot oblivious to how the
36:46
Speaker 2: routes are developing and then look back to the quarterback
36:50
Speaker 2: and react to what you see from that spot. That's
36:53
Speaker 2: country cover three. And he had said, And the reason
36:55
Speaker 2: I asked the question is he earlier in his answer,
36:58
Speaker 2: somebody had said, hey, you really excel in off coverage,
37:02
Speaker 2: you know, tell us about that. And he says, yeah,
37:04
Speaker 2: I can see the I can see the offensive lineman,
37:07
Speaker 2: what what they're doing, I read the quarterback, I see
37:10
Speaker 2: the routes develop in front of me. So so he
37:12
Speaker 2: had in a response to the question how how how
37:16
Speaker 2: do you place off coverage? So well, he had described
37:19
Speaker 2: all these these attributes and and so now when I'm saying, hey,
37:23
Speaker 2: the game's on the line, what do you want to play?
37:26
Speaker 2: You know? And and I wanted to distinguish between whether
37:29
Speaker 2: or not he wants to be you know, in man
37:32
Speaker 2: or or zone uh, you know, and then press or
37:36
Speaker 2: or off coverage. So there's a few nuances in that.
37:38
Speaker 2: And if you get we got a fun SoundBite, that's
37:41
Speaker 2: the that's the long aends.
37:42
Speaker 1: Well, and and and we'll learn a little bit more
37:45
Speaker 1: about him. I think he can play in both. It
37:46
Speaker 1: sounds like it's what you're telling me to Uh, this
37:49
Speaker 1: is a guy that that he fits into that secondary
37:51
Speaker 1: probably as a depth piece. What does Bud Clark bring
37:53
Speaker 1: to this?
37:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, well and real quick on Julian love you you
37:56
Speaker 2: know that that is not going to be the last
38:02
Speaker 2: time Julian neal. I'm looking right at his name right
38:04
Speaker 2: on a piece of paper. He's ninety second percentile, a
38:08
Speaker 2: little over six one and a half arm length of
38:10
Speaker 2: eighty eighty percentile, still top half in the forty yard dash,
38:15
Speaker 2: in ninety second percentile. In his vertical he's forty. It's
38:18
Speaker 2: the one thing I see on tape is that he's
38:21
Speaker 2: a little slow in his transition. You know, he's not
38:23
Speaker 2: a first rounder because we could say that about all
38:27
Speaker 2: second and third day guys. He's not a first round
38:29
Speaker 2: of because because it takes him a little extra time
38:32
Speaker 2: to get if he's back pedaling and then to trigger
38:35
Speaker 2: down top down. It's just a little he's a little
38:39
Speaker 2: bit slow in his transition compared to first rounders. As
38:43
Speaker 2: for Bud Clark, versatility, versatility and great competitor three year
38:48
Speaker 2: captain like how rare is that stated tech TCU in
38:54
Speaker 2: the bo Let's talk about his versatility, box tour and
38:57
Speaker 2: fourteen snaps slot corner three h nine at back safety
39:01
Speaker 2: one thirty nine very important. And then and then his
39:04
Speaker 2: athletic traits height sixty one percentile, four four one ninety
39:09
Speaker 2: third percentile. He is a very fast safety butt weight
39:12
Speaker 2: ninth percentile. He's in one hundred under one hundred and
39:15
Speaker 2: ninety measuring it at one eighty eight. So so he
39:19
Speaker 2: has really kind of more corner attributes. He's also got
39:24
Speaker 2: a thirty eight inch vert but fifteen interceptions interceptions BA ballhawk.
39:29
Speaker 10: Here's here's a.
39:30
Speaker 2: Thing that you can see instead of having to always
39:34
Speaker 2: put Witherspoon in inside when you go dime, look for
39:39
Speaker 2: maybe keeping Witherspoon outside and Bud Clark being able to
39:43
Speaker 2: come in and play, uh, you know as a overhang
39:47
Speaker 2: defender and apex defender, curl flat defender. There's a lot
39:50
Speaker 2: of terms that are synonymous based on the coverage. But
39:53
Speaker 2: you got Nick Game and Warry on one side of
39:56
Speaker 2: a too high structure, and you've got you've You've you've
39:59
Speaker 2: always had Devin Witherspoon on the other. Essentially they're both
40:02
Speaker 2: playing like outside linebackers now. Bud Clark, I think that
40:06
Speaker 2: Mike Mike McDonald in his press conference on Friday night,
40:10
Speaker 2: talked about his versatility. He said the word nickel. The
40:13
Speaker 2: second thing out of his mouth was nickel. Yep, he talked.
40:16
Speaker 2: He also talked about his man and man abilities because
40:19
Speaker 2: of that four four one in the range. So so
40:21
Speaker 2: I think that he you know, you're gonna get your
40:24
Speaker 2: You got to have a physical presence to you out
40:27
Speaker 2: on the on the field in Mike McDonald's world. You're
40:30
Speaker 2: gonna get it somewhere else because he's not gonna be
40:33
Speaker 2: terribly fit. You know, he's gonna he's gonna have the
40:35
Speaker 2: attitude and then want to but he's only one hundred
40:38
Speaker 2: and eighty eight pounds, right, But what you are going
40:40
Speaker 2: to get is again this versatility, the high IQ high
40:44
Speaker 2: football IQ. And and you know, of course the ball,
40:49
Speaker 2: the ball traits to be able to get fifteen interceptions,
40:51
Speaker 2: tracks it well and uh and and away you go
40:54
Speaker 2: as a woof and competitor. I think he paired with Witherspoon.
40:58
Speaker 2: You know, there's some great story about Witherspoon. Just like
41:01
Speaker 2: after the first Ram game down there we lose that
41:04
Speaker 2: Darnald lost. Witherspoon was just jaw jackin to the Rams,
41:09
Speaker 2: like you know, damn well, you got you got gifted this.
41:13
Speaker 2: We kicked y'all's ass up and down, you got gifted.
41:17
Speaker 2: He is just jaw jack in to the Ram offense
41:19
Speaker 2: and telling them what they knew, and that there's just
41:22
Speaker 2: a certain you know, uh, there's a swagger that Witherspoon
41:28
Speaker 2: has that he can back up. And I think Bud
41:30
Speaker 2: Clark is kind of he's kind of I think he's
41:33
Speaker 2: gonna be of witherspoon junior man. He's gonna be like
41:36
Speaker 2: the Robin to Witherspoon's batman in that regard.
41:40
Speaker 1: Clark and Neil maybe both. I wanted I wanted to
41:42
Speaker 1: quickly ask you about the world of draft grades. I'm
41:45
Speaker 1: pushing up against him block here. Can you give me,
41:48
Speaker 1: like real.
41:48
Speaker 2: Quick I fill in or or or on this radio
41:54
Speaker 2: twelve months out of the year in some capacity. I
41:56
Speaker 2: don't think there's any topic more absurd than draft rates
42:00
Speaker 2: and the entire calendar year. Who the hell freaking knows?
42:05
Speaker 2: You know that that kJ Wright is going to be
42:09
Speaker 2: an elite linebacker, That Cam Sansor of the fifth rounder
42:12
Speaker 2: is going to be in a you know, a borderline
42:14
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame safety. The Richard Sherman is going to
42:17
Speaker 2: be a Hall of fame, Like, we look at all
42:19
Speaker 2: this stuff, and and and and who who's qualified to
42:22
Speaker 2: say that? Like how much tape do you have to watch?
42:26
Speaker 6: Now?
42:26
Speaker 2: A guy like Dame Bruger, Look, he spends the entire year.
42:34
Speaker 2: I might listen to that guy, But to really evaluate
42:38
Speaker 2: these guys, I don't think you can do it under
42:41
Speaker 2: four hours. You know, ideally six, you know, multiply it
42:44
Speaker 2: out times times three hundred players. Now you're at eighteen
42:49
Speaker 2: hundred hours a full time job. You know, forty hour
42:53
Speaker 2: week full time job is two thousand hours. So so
42:56
Speaker 2: anybody who who says that they can do a draft
42:59
Speaker 2: grade even and if you spend eighteen one hundred hours,
43:02
Speaker 2: how do you know on these mid round guys whether
43:05
Speaker 2: or not they're going to be anything? I think it's
43:07
Speaker 2: absolutely absurd.
43:09
Speaker 1: I would only not push back, but I would say
43:13
Speaker 1: that if you asked a lot of those people, much
43:15
Speaker 1: like we were told to do a mock draft our
43:18
Speaker 1: hosts were last week. Yeah, I'm not qualified for that,
43:21
Speaker 1: but I was told to copy and past, so I
43:24
Speaker 1: was told to right, and so I think a lot
43:25
Speaker 1: of times that's what those guys that first round or
43:28
Speaker 1: the entire draft of the first round I mean, like,
43:30
Speaker 1: I'm not qualified for that, but we're told to.
43:32
Speaker 10: I think.
43:32
Speaker 1: I think oftentimes some of the people in our business
43:35
Speaker 1: are told to do things that they might be uncomfortable with,
43:36
Speaker 1: and they just do it. But I'm with you because
43:38
Speaker 1: here's the thing I went through, and I'm a sucker
43:41
Speaker 1: for it. I looked to see, oh, what does Dan
43:42
Speaker 1: Bruger have in the athletic today? Seahawks rank twenty fifth. Well,
43:46
Speaker 1: to me, they would be higher than that because they
43:48
Speaker 1: filled their needs, right, they got a running back one,
43:52
Speaker 1: they address their secondary and they're probably going to sign
43:54
Speaker 1: Fouler as a d N right to address the edge.
43:57
Speaker 1: So they like, that's not a twenty fifth rank, right?
44:01
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, And in twenty twelve, how would you ever
44:03
Speaker 2: know that Russell Wilson was gonna be what he became,
44:07
Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner was going to be a hall a first
44:09
Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Fame.
44:11
Speaker 1: You know, we're here in Seattle love it because that
44:12
Speaker 1: famously that class was ranked what didn't get like a
44:15
Speaker 1: D minus at f by most people.
44:16
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just I just think the whole exercise
44:21
Speaker 2: is just it's a effort of the futility to try
44:24
Speaker 2: and do that so I just rolled my eyes.
44:26
Speaker 1: So I'm with you. Yeah, more four, I think with
44:29
Speaker 1: you today. I assume with yeah, I think so yeah.
44:31
Speaker 1: It might be at five, yeah, more five, more at four.
44:34
Speaker 1: All right, I'm in trouble because I just went way
44:36
Speaker 1: past the break. So we'll take a quick break. Come back.
44:38
Speaker 1: We're gonna update Hugh. Thank you so much. We'll listen
44:40
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44:41
Speaker 1: on the timing of the sonic situation.
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Speaker 1: We should mention the Sounders also won this weekend too. Nil,
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Speaker 1: Morris another goal and there's six to one and one.
46:23
Speaker 1: They're just keep chucking along. Let's go Schmat's out a
46:26
Speaker 1: boy as well. Torrent finished their season on Saturday. They
46:32
Speaker 1: will not go to the playoffs in their first year.
46:33
Speaker 1: But to say that that thing was anything but a
46:36
Speaker 1: massive success would be wrong. Because it was a massive
46:38
Speaker 1: success on the ice. They didn't have the results necessarily
46:42
Speaker 1: they wanted, but off the ice and they just put
46:44
Speaker 1: people in the climate Pledgerina every single night. It was
46:46
Speaker 1: a pretty cool story this year with the Scale torn. Okay,
46:49
Speaker 1: they I mentioned this earlier the show they did. Booth
46:52
Speaker 1: finally post the story. Come on, Booth, tell me, don't
46:54
Speaker 1: be teasing me like that. Anyway. Here's the deal, Tim Booth,
46:58
Speaker 1: Scale Times wrote the story. What happens is the the
47:02
Speaker 1: league commissioners from all the all the leagues across the country. Uh,
47:06
Speaker 1: they have what they call the Associated Press Sports Editors
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Speaker 1: Commissioners meeting in New York. So sports editors from all
47:13
Speaker 1: the big newspapers across the country AP and others, uh,
47:16
Speaker 1: including the Sale Times. The sports editor, guy by the
47:19
Speaker 1: name of Paul Barrett, have a chance to sit down
47:21
Speaker 1: and have conversations, you know, fairly intimate conversations, a little
47:26
Speaker 1: more casual. But it's on the record with all the
47:28
Speaker 1: with all the the the commissioners. So Beatman, Uh, your
47:33
Speaker 1: your guy from baseball, everyone's favorite guy in the world.
47:37
Speaker 1: We love him, lockout coming next year, can't wait, hates
47:40
Speaker 1: baseball worse, Chuck pollllqm uh Manfred and then of course
47:46
Speaker 1: uh h Adam Silver from the NBA and uh and
47:50
Speaker 1: our guy from the NFL as well. So but here's
47:52
Speaker 1: the thing that came out. Uh Adam Silver said today
47:58
Speaker 1: he did not think that the NBA owner would be
48:00
Speaker 1: at the point of deciding on expansion by the time
48:02
Speaker 1: the league holds this summer Board of Governor's meetings. This
48:05
Speaker 1: is the quote from Adam Silver. I think this summer
48:08
Speaker 1: would be premature, but there is time between the summer
48:10
Speaker 1: and the end of the calendar year, he said Monday quote.
48:13
Speaker 1: It's still my hope for both Seattle and Las Vegas
48:16
Speaker 1: that we would be positioned to make decisions and decisions
48:18
Speaker 1: about specific groups by the end of the year. There
48:21
Speaker 1: was some thought and maybe some hope that they would
48:26
Speaker 1: they the NBA and the owners would vote and approve
48:30
Speaker 1: expansion in the summer in July. We can all have
48:32
Speaker 1: a big celebration in the summer. Raw Raie, here we go.
48:34
Speaker 1: Give us something talking about in July that would be
48:36
Speaker 1: during the NBA Summer League when they meet the owners
48:39
Speaker 1: meet in Vegas. That will not happen, at least what
48:42
Speaker 1: Silver says right now. The twist is it probably won't
48:46
Speaker 1: be happening because Vegas doesn't have their you know what together,
48:49
Speaker 1: even though they're meeting in Vegas with the Summer League
48:51
Speaker 1: taking place in Vegas. This might be some I'm guessing
48:55
Speaker 1: just to guess here, but I'm guessing it might be
48:58
Speaker 1: to carve out some more time fors to figure things out,
49:02
Speaker 1: but they are not going to more than likely, according
49:04
Speaker 1: to Silver today meeting with the sports editors across the country,
49:09
Speaker 1: it sounds like more than likely the earliest we would
49:11
Speaker 1: hear about expansion being a done deal and approved would
49:17
Speaker 1: be sometime in the fall or even late fall, before
49:20
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Now, that is the timing
49:23
Speaker 1: in terms of by the end of the year that
49:25
Speaker 1: we've heard. So it's nothing alarming other than I think
49:30
Speaker 1: there was a pretty strong feeling we could have seen
49:31
Speaker 1: this thing happen in July and that ain't happening right now.
49:37
Speaker 1: I think the only concern I would have is is
49:41
Speaker 1: the NBA willing to expand with just one like the
49:46
Speaker 1: NHL did coming up on almost ten.
49:48
Speaker 5: Years at twenty seventeen. Yeah, right.
49:50
Speaker 1: The NHL did that with Vegas, and they did it
49:53
Speaker 1: because they were specifically waiting for Seattle. Quebec City was
49:58
Speaker 1: sitting there in the background. New Building wanted a team back.
50:01
Speaker 1: They lost their team to to Denver, to the Colorado
50:04
Speaker 1: Avalanche back in ninety seven. I think it was so
50:10
Speaker 1: they wanted The NHL wanted Seattle so bad and wanted
50:14
Speaker 1: this market so bad that they were willing to wait
50:17
Speaker 1: a couple extra years for Tim Liwiki not to but
50:21
Speaker 1: Tim and the Oakview Group to get the arena situation
50:24
Speaker 1: put together here in Seattle. So they went with thirty one,
50:26
Speaker 1: and then obviously we saw the expansion come a couple
50:30
Speaker 1: years later in Seattle. Here in a way we are,
50:32
Speaker 1: and that's where we are today. This is almost the opposite.
50:35
Speaker 1: It is not almost. It is the opposite. We're waiting
50:38
Speaker 1: on Vegas to get there, you know what, together Seattle.
50:41
Speaker 1: The only ownership group that has stepped forward so far
50:44
Speaker 1: has been the Oakview Group, led by Samantha Hallway. I
50:51
Speaker 1: always caution people, I see this all the time. I
50:54
Speaker 1: hear this all the time. Well they don't have the money,
50:56
Speaker 1: they don't have I'm gonna just ask might ask for
51:01
Speaker 1: some common sense, just for I know we're living in
51:04
Speaker 1: the world of sports radio and common sense is not
51:06
Speaker 1: a part of a repertoire, not always. Do you really
51:09
Speaker 1: think when we're talking about the money that we're talking
51:12
Speaker 1: about and the level of business that we're expressed, we're
51:16
Speaker 1: talking about an NBA expansion franchise that would be caught.
51:20
Speaker 1: I'm still hearing more like six as opposed to the eight,
51:23
Speaker 1: but whatever it would be, we're talking about a six
51:26
Speaker 1: to eight billion dollar business plan. Do you think that
51:29
Speaker 1: Samantha Holloway and the Oak View Group is just going
51:32
Speaker 1: in saying, yeah, we're interested and hopefully we can find
51:34
Speaker 1: the money. Do you think they just started this process
51:37
Speaker 1: two or three days ago, or two or three weeks
51:39
Speaker 1: ago or a month ago. Give your head shake. They're
51:45
Speaker 1: so far down the road on this it's it would
51:48
Speaker 1: blow your mind. But there could be others that step forward.
51:53
Speaker 1: There could be competitive competing groups here in Seattle.
51:56
Speaker 5: I doubt it.
51:57
Speaker 1: The way the arena structure is, it would make no
52:00
Speaker 1: financial sense unless you just got stupid blank you money,
52:04
Speaker 1: and people do. But there's very few people that have that.
52:09
Speaker 1: But it looks like we're gonna have to wait, which
52:11
Speaker 1: so be it.
52:12
Speaker 5: It's so.
52:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think I think there was a thought
52:18
Speaker 1: when the stuff came out in March we could hear
52:19
Speaker 1: it by the summer league meetings.
52:20
Speaker 3: So what does that mean for the timeline of throwing
52:23
Speaker 3: the ball up in the air.
52:24
Speaker 1: It's still twenty eight twenty nine.
52:25
Speaker 5: Even if they decide to.
52:27
Speaker 1: Two years out, two years out, this by the end
52:29
Speaker 1: of this year would still be two years out. If
52:31
Speaker 1: for some reason it goes past this calendar year, h
52:37
Speaker 1: like I would say, even past less September. Now they
52:39
Speaker 1: can call a meeting. According to what Tim story said,
52:41
Speaker 1: they can call a meeting anytime, but more than likely
52:45
Speaker 1: the earliest of vote would be would be right before
52:47
Speaker 1: the season starts in September, so they could do that.
52:51
Speaker 1: If they don't vote, then they could still call the
52:53
Speaker 1: owners together for that meeting before the end of the
52:56
Speaker 1: year if for some crazy reason, and again I would
52:59
Speaker 1: probably put it more on vay I guess anything else,
53:00
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen before the end of the year, then
53:02
Speaker 1: we're probably looking at twenty twenty nine. But right now
53:05
Speaker 1: you're still twenty twenty eight. Two years away is still
53:07
Speaker 1: very much in play. That's probably the most important thing
53:09
Speaker 1: for you to know. It's still very much in play,
53:11
Speaker 1: and all it means is we won't be having a
53:13
Speaker 1: big party this summer and talking about the NBA in July. Okay,
53:16
Speaker 1: all right, thank you, break, come back, Mariners on a heater.
53:20
Speaker 1: How are these guys gonna handle that?
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53:23
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53:28
Speaker 1: wanted him, well, I don't know, maybe I having on
53:29
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Speaker 3: Nope, I still have not understood one of Chris Crawford's references.
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Speaker 10: You'll get the one next week. I think I've got
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Speaker 10: a few planned.
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Speaker 5: I think do you have a spreadsheet of these?
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Speaker 10: No, I just have some names that I kind of
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Speaker 10: have in my head and I was gonna go with, Well,
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Speaker 10: I'm not going to spoil it. By the way, Darren
54:47
Speaker 10: Poopa had a mullet that was just biblical. Yes, absolutely gorgeous.
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Speaker 10: A decent goalie, but the mullet was definitely better than
54:55
Speaker 10: the tending.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's he's sixty years old. His debut against
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Speaker 1: the great one Wayne Gritzky. That'd be fun. Hey, welcome,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NHL. That's fun.
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Speaker 1: to four and two, not in conventional way because they
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Speaker 1: were owing to to start the week losing a series
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Speaker 1: of the A's before winning the final one and all
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Speaker 1: three against the Cardinals of Saint Louis. We'll get into
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Speaker 1: the howls and the whys and the fun things from
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Speaker 1: that as well, but as always, we start with opening comments.
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Speaker 1: Nathan Bishop fire away.
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Speaker 9: I'm so tired of this crap, you guys, Why can
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Speaker 9: they not lose a series over the weekend? They lose
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Speaker 9: every single series at the beginning of the week and
56:17
Speaker 9: then they look great.
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Speaker 2: Over the wall.
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Speaker 9: They didn't necessarily look great over the weekend, but they
56:21
Speaker 9: won all of the games over the weekend. It just
56:24
Speaker 9: makes my job really really difficult. But you know, they're
56:27
Speaker 9: a better team than the Cardinals. I know that the
56:29
Speaker 9: record doesn't necessarily directly reflect that at this point, but
56:32
Speaker 9: it was really nice to see them take an inferior
56:34
Speaker 9: opponent and win. To your point, Ian not the traditional method.
56:39
Speaker 9: I thought it was actually really cool that it was
56:41
Speaker 9: kind of the island of misfit toys that led to
56:43
Speaker 9: the sweep. You've got huge hits from Leo revas Connor,
56:46
Speaker 9: Joe a Will Wilson home run. That's right, Will Wilson,
56:49
Speaker 9: you definitely remember him. Everybody, just huge hits up and down.
56:52
Speaker 9: And then last last night a huge hit from the
56:54
Speaker 9: much maligned Rob Refschneider, his fourth hit of the year.
56:57
Speaker 9: He's now only eighteen hits behind aj Pollock. We've got
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Speaker 9: the a tracker updated because you can keep a track
57:02
Speaker 9: on that. So it was it was great and the
57:04
Speaker 9: team is you know, as we keep saying, I think
57:06
Speaker 9: there's there's four teams in the American League that have
57:10
Speaker 9: a positive run differential, right, now there are fifteen teams
57:12
Speaker 9: total in the American League, So that gives you an
57:14
Speaker 9: idea right there. I'm checking right now, and right now
57:18
Speaker 9: there are as many teams in the NL Central above
57:20
Speaker 9: five hundred as there are in the entire American League.
57:24
Speaker 9: So the Marriers at fourteen and fifteen, one game and
57:27
Speaker 9: a half behind the Titanic Sacramento Athletics. You know, they're
57:33
Speaker 9: like one more good week from basically just putting that
57:35
Speaker 9: entire crap start to bed and just looking like arguably
57:39
Speaker 9: the best team in the American League and definitely the
57:41
Speaker 9: best team in the American League West. All of that
57:43
Speaker 9: pains me to say, as the designated hater of this program.
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Speaker 2: But things look pretty much fine to me.
57:49
Speaker 9: Cal Rawly has started hitting home runs again, Julio Rodriguez
57:52
Speaker 9: had a great home run, Josh Naylors finding some Babba bluck.
57:55
Speaker 9: Finally the balls finding grass, so and he started stealing
57:58
Speaker 9: bases again. So you can pick knits here and there.
58:01
Speaker 9: The bullpen's a little shaky, Brian Wu had a terrible start,
58:04
Speaker 9: but everybody has a terrible start. More than anything, I
58:07
Speaker 9: think things look like the progressing perfectly on schedule as
58:10
Speaker 9: much as I hate to say it.
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Speaker 1: Off brand, it's hard. I get it, Chris fire Away.
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Speaker 10: So you know, it's great to see the sweep, and
58:20
Speaker 10: it was fun to see them win a couple different ways.
58:22
Speaker 10: You saw the vintage Seattle Mariner went on Friday, You
58:26
Speaker 10: saw the vintage nineteen ninety seven Seattle Mariner went on Saturday,
58:30
Speaker 10: where you just outslug everybody, and then I know the
58:33
Speaker 10: score is the same as Friday, but it kind of
58:35
Speaker 10: felt in between those two. So it was nice to
58:37
Speaker 10: see them win three games that way. It's nice to
58:40
Speaker 10: have a four game winning streak. It's also annoying as
58:43
Speaker 10: hell that a four game winning streak puts you a
58:45
Speaker 10: game under five hundred, and we should be talking about
58:48
Speaker 10: this four game winning streak putting them at nineteen and
58:52
Speaker 10: fifteen or whatever the heck of the record would be,
58:54
Speaker 10: instead of fourteen and fifteen. Because obviously the maths was
58:57
Speaker 10: very good there can you tell I went to a
58:59
Speaker 10: public school. There is just something very frustrating to me
59:04
Speaker 10: about that. Yeah, it's great that they're playing well again,
59:07
Speaker 10: but it's frustrating that you're playing catch up again. You
59:10
Speaker 10: are once again digging a hole and then having to
59:13
Speaker 10: dig up and that's just frustrating to me, because you know,
59:17
Speaker 10: I have demands. I demand that this team go to
59:20
Speaker 10: the gosh damn World Series, and I demand that they,
59:24
Speaker 10: you know, look good doing it too. I wanted to
59:26
Speaker 10: see him look good, and it's nice to see them
59:28
Speaker 10: look good. But those first two games against Oakland slash
59:32
Speaker 10: Sacramento slash United Arab Emirates whatever the hell they're going
59:35
Speaker 10: to be, that was frustrating. That was frustrating, and I
59:38
Speaker 10: can't completely ignore that either. But I have to admit
59:41
Speaker 10: that even against the team that I don't think is
59:43
Speaker 10: competing for a playoff spot in the Cardinals, it was
59:46
Speaker 10: really nice to see him play well over the weekend.
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I'm confused. I'm like, did I take
59:52
Speaker 1: a gummy before the show?
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Speaker 4: No?
59:54
Speaker 1: I don't think I did. I'm just I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: balance out. So Nathan was by and large captain positivity. Chris.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: This is like the WrestleMania, like the heel turn, Like
1:00:08
Speaker 1: just when we think that we don't like someone and
1:00:11
Speaker 1: they're Matt with Matt, then all of a sudden, they
1:00:13
Speaker 1: just flipped the script. Vince McMahon and I don't know
1:00:16
Speaker 1: if you guys met beforehand and decided to do that.
1:00:18
Speaker 1: But I don't know what to think. But I'm a
1:00:20
Speaker 1: little confused.
1:00:22
Speaker 10: Here's what it is, Ian, It's a six foot four
1:00:25
Speaker 10: person is very tall in the NBA, but pretty short
1:00:28
Speaker 10: compared to the seven foot one center, Like I'm positive,
1:00:31
Speaker 10: compared to this dude.
1:00:32
Speaker 5: That's not exactly.
1:00:34
Speaker 10: Saying that the hell of a lot like being six
1:00:37
Speaker 10: foot four is still really tall, but compared to the
1:00:41
Speaker 10: seven foot one guy, it's a little bit shorter.
1:00:43
Speaker 9: All I'm gonna say is, if you want, if you
1:00:44
Speaker 9: want some classic stuff. I watched that Sacramento as series
1:00:48
Speaker 9: and that team's down Brent Rooker, who's a pretty damn
1:00:50
Speaker 9: good hitter, and I was left thinking that I think
1:00:53
Speaker 9: that Sacramento lineup is better than the Mariner's lineup even
1:00:56
Speaker 9: without Brent Rooker. So that team can't pitchworth you know what,
1:01:01
Speaker 9: but it's awful. They are the nineteen ninety six Mariners
1:01:03
Speaker 9: as we're thrown back to mid nineties Mariners references, but
1:01:07
Speaker 9: they can hit the hell out of the baseball and
1:01:09
Speaker 9: if they get even a modicum of pitching, or if
1:01:11
Speaker 9: they graduate anybody from the Miners, Chris would know if
1:01:13
Speaker 9: they have anybody that could potentially help them ount or
1:01:15
Speaker 9: if they trade for anybody, that could be a tough
1:01:18
Speaker 9: team over the course of the season, because that lineup
1:01:21
Speaker 9: is not going to quit. Mit Kurtz is an absolute monster.
1:01:25
Speaker 9: He and Jordan Alvarez being in of this division is
1:01:28
Speaker 9: really not fair. But that's a team to be to monitor. Yeah,
1:01:32
Speaker 9: I don't think that they're a great team, but they
1:01:34
Speaker 9: are a good offense.
1:01:35
Speaker 1: Well, let me just because we did this with the
1:01:36
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. You kind of concern yourself with your neighbors
1:01:38
Speaker 1: as much as yourself sometimes, right, And I think we
1:01:41
Speaker 1: were in a group chat on one of those days
1:01:43
Speaker 1: we were talking about Chris. You were saying this along
1:01:45
Speaker 1: the lines of the A's And we'll get back to
1:01:46
Speaker 1: the Mariners in a second, but I mean, right now,
1:01:48
Speaker 1: they're the only problem you have in this division. So
1:01:50
Speaker 1: let's talk about the A's for a second. You mentioned
1:01:53
Speaker 1: the lineup is really good offensively, and then who do
1:01:57
Speaker 1: they have in the system? Did you say they have
1:01:59
Speaker 1: like the top dude coming up or something.
1:02:01
Speaker 10: They have one of the very best prospects in baseball,
1:02:04
Speaker 10: and by the name of Leo Devrees, who is in
1:02:06
Speaker 10: Double A right now as a believe a nineteen year
1:02:09
Speaker 10: old who has a chance to be a superstar, like
1:02:12
Speaker 10: a supreme talent. It's who they got in the Mason
1:02:14
Speaker 10: Miller trade, okay, and that's why that trade has a
1:02:17
Speaker 10: chance to pay off big time for them. And they
1:02:18
Speaker 10: have a really good pitching prospect named Jamie Arnold. He
1:02:21
Speaker 10: actually battled Kate Anderson. By the way, Kate Anderson is
1:02:24
Speaker 10: freaking awesome, but Jamie Arnold is a guy who has
1:02:27
Speaker 10: a chance to be a number two starters somewhere along
1:02:30
Speaker 10: those lines. But after that, it's pretty thin for pitching.
1:02:32
Speaker 10: But they're really good. They're building something really sustainable there,
1:02:36
Speaker 10: which is so funny because I don't think Las Vegas
1:02:38
Speaker 10: is sustainable whatsoever on their long term plan of where
1:02:42
Speaker 10: they're gonna play. But the actual organization, like they've got
1:02:46
Speaker 10: some special building blocks and whatever you want to call
1:02:49
Speaker 10: him right now.
1:02:49
Speaker 1: Let's let's that's it's smalling what Monday brought you by
1:02:51
Speaker 1: simply she had a Mulliwop fifteen to check out. Nathan
1:02:54
Speaker 1: and Chris are here. We'll let Chris go first here. Nathan,
1:02:58
Speaker 1: you can bring up your tracker in a second with
1:03:00
Speaker 1: aj Pollock. But Let's give a little love to Rob
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Speaker 1: Reth Snyder, shall we for a second? And by the way,
1:03:07
Speaker 1: big thanks as well. Let's give some love to the
1:03:08
Speaker 1: ABS system that helped yesterday, because that would not have
1:03:12
Speaker 1: happened in the old days without ABS. I think Aaron
1:03:16
Speaker 1: Goldsmith said it was it was probably the most egregious
1:03:19
Speaker 1: miss of the year with the ABS like it was
1:03:21
Speaker 1: really bad. But ref Snyder, good for him, doesn't matter
1:03:24
Speaker 1: if it was bad, like he made the call on
1:03:26
Speaker 1: what would have been a strike three and the next pitch,
1:03:27
Speaker 1: thanks for coming pinch hit solo Homer on the ninth
1:03:30
Speaker 1: to give the Menners the three to two win against
1:03:31
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. Refs Snyder can hit lefties right, Chris and
1:03:36
Speaker 1: like the rest of the teams, slow start, but maybe
1:03:38
Speaker 1: picking it up a little bit.
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Speaker 10: So I'm going to give you a list of names,
1:03:42
Speaker 10: and I brought this up in our group chat as well,
1:03:43
Speaker 10: but Aaron Judge, Jordan Alvarez, Yandy Diaz, kateel Marte, and
1:03:49
Speaker 10: Jorge Solaire. Now Solaire maybe not in that same group
1:03:53
Speaker 10: of guys, but those are really good hitters, right. You
1:03:56
Speaker 10: know what they have in common. They're the only five
1:03:59
Speaker 10: hitters with higher WRC against left handers over the last
1:04:03
Speaker 10: three years than Rob Refsnyder. And I'm sorry, I get
1:04:07
Speaker 10: like this show is fun because we get to react
1:04:10
Speaker 10: to just the week and we get to be a
1:04:12
Speaker 10: little bit negative nelly, and it's fun to fun. Rob
1:04:15
Speaker 10: Refsnyder is a really good hitter. He's especially against left handers.
1:04:19
Speaker 10: And I understand that we are triggered by the Christin
1:04:23
Speaker 10: Norfiaz and the Ryan Langerhans and the Aj Pollocks and
1:04:26
Speaker 10: all that stuff. It's fine. I totally get it, Rob Refsnyder.
1:04:30
Speaker 10: People giving up on him based on a basically couple
1:04:33
Speaker 10: handfuls of bats is dumb. It's just dumb. It's really
1:04:37
Speaker 10: freaking dumb. And it kind of pisses me off because
1:04:40
Speaker 10: there are lots of things to complain about with the
1:04:42
Speaker 10: Seattle Mariners. Rob ref Schneider is like twenty seventh out
1:04:46
Speaker 10: of twenty six. Somehow, there's no reason for people to
1:04:50
Speaker 10: be just throwing this guy under the bus. And it
1:04:52
Speaker 10: was so awesome to see him come through there and
1:04:55
Speaker 10: to use the He honestly should have used the challenge earlier.
1:04:57
Speaker 10: He missed by so much on that first strike too.
1:05:02
Speaker 10: It's just so frustrating to see that that we don't
1:05:05
Speaker 10: have just an automated system. But it's also just frustrating
1:05:07
Speaker 10: that people just like to crap on players because hey, Mariners,
1:05:11
Speaker 10: and I find that annoying as hell when there are
1:05:14
Speaker 10: legitimate things to complain about, like this ownership group and
1:05:17
Speaker 10: the price of parking and a whole bunch of stuff.
1:05:19
Speaker 10: There's legitimate reasons to complain about the Mariners. Rob Rechschneider
1:05:23
Speaker 10: is negative a thousand on that list, and I'm just
1:05:26
Speaker 10: demanding that people be better.
1:05:28
Speaker 1: Could he hit righty's at all?
1:05:30
Speaker 10: Not really well? Like he's the type of guy who's
1:05:33
Speaker 10: gonna post like a six sixty ops against rightings and
1:05:36
Speaker 10: that's not great. You don't want him in the lineup
1:05:38
Speaker 10: against those guys. It's not an automatic out the way
1:05:41
Speaker 10: Luke Rayley is an automatic out against left handers, but
1:05:43
Speaker 10: it's not good. But against left handers, this guy has
1:05:46
Speaker 10: a huge track record of playing well, and somebody brought
1:05:50
Speaker 10: up that he's not been great as a pinch hitter.
1:05:52
Speaker 10: That sample size of twenty at bats a year is
1:05:55
Speaker 10: just too small, and we've seen a couple of quality
1:05:57
Speaker 10: pinch hit at bats. We've seen the process for Rob
1:06:00
Speaker 10: ref Schnyder look good all year. The at bats just
1:06:03
Speaker 10: haven't ended very well. But you saw what he can
1:06:06
Speaker 10: do on Sunday. And if you want to say that's
1:06:08
Speaker 10: confirmation by a so freaking be it. But I have
1:06:10
Speaker 10: a large sample of Rob Reschneider being a really good
1:06:14
Speaker 10: bench bat, and I think is going to help the
1:06:16
Speaker 10: Mariners a hell of a lot in twenty twenty.
1:06:18
Speaker 1: Sucks nay, if I need to get on the rest
1:06:19
Speaker 1: under bandwagon, sir, all right, please can you get on there? Please?
1:06:22
Speaker 9: I've gotten Look, he gets one more hit this month,
1:06:24
Speaker 9: He's gonna be on pace to be aj Pollock's hit
1:06:27
Speaker 9: total by early September. And I think that's just terrific.
1:06:30
Speaker 9: And I think that we should also loot this and
1:06:32
Speaker 9: will be to anyone to see the Seattle Mariners sign
1:06:35
Speaker 9: a mid thirties part time role player and think perhaps
1:06:38
Speaker 9: this front office could have spied somebody and signed them
1:06:41
Speaker 9: a year too late. That's never happened before. So if
1:06:44
Speaker 9: he gets off to a slow start, god forbid, we
1:06:46
Speaker 9: start getting a little concerned that this could be a
1:06:48
Speaker 9: bad fit. That's not disagreeing with anything that Chris is saying.
1:06:52
Speaker 9: I am here to merely say for the average fan,
1:06:56
Speaker 9: I understand why this front office is ability to He's
1:07:00
Speaker 9: together platoon bats find older guys at towards the tail
1:07:04
Speaker 9: end of their careers.
1:07:05
Speaker 2: AJ Pollock was a great.
1:07:06
Speaker 9: Baseball player, had a fantastic major league career. I think
1:07:09
Speaker 9: he was a six win player once in Arizona the
1:07:11
Speaker 9: Marriner and had been a really useful bat if I
1:07:13
Speaker 9: recall the year before the Mariners got him in Chicago
1:07:16
Speaker 9: in primarily the role that we're talking about for Rob Refsnyder,
1:07:19
Speaker 9: and the Mariners got him a year too late. He
1:07:21
Speaker 9: bombed and he was out of baseball by the end
1:07:23
Speaker 9: of that year. So it's not a shot at Rob
1:07:25
Speaker 9: Refsnyder as much as it's just saying he's thirty five
1:07:28
Speaker 9: years old, which is around that time when careers start
1:07:30
Speaker 9: to fall off. None of that means that he's done.
1:07:34
Speaker 9: He just had a great at bat, he just won
1:07:35
Speaker 9: a game. But the concern that the Mariners may have
1:07:39
Speaker 9: done it again, I think is a valid one. That's
1:07:41
Speaker 9: all I'm saying. We're just we're going to monitor the
1:07:43
Speaker 9: situation for a little while and see where it goes.
1:07:45
Speaker 9: But good for him and doing exactly what he's supposed
1:07:48
Speaker 9: to do yesterday, that was awesome. I don't remember Paulick
1:07:50
Speaker 9: ever having a big that big of a hit in
1:07:51
Speaker 9: the Mariner's uniform.
1:07:52
Speaker 5: I don't think he did. I mean, if the hit
1:07:55
Speaker 5: twenty two of them, yeah.
1:07:56
Speaker 1: The hit totals almost there, we're in pretty good shape
1:07:58
Speaker 1: in that regard. I think it should I listen if
1:08:01
Speaker 1: if certainly, I think everybody agrees, like, Okay, who is
1:08:05
Speaker 1: Rob Refsnyder? And if you're not a diehard baseball fan,
1:08:07
Speaker 1: right you're probably like, who the hell is this guy?
1:08:09
Speaker 1: Especially if he's a platoon guy hitting only against lefties.
1:08:13
Speaker 1: You know the number that jumped out at me. I
1:08:15
Speaker 1: was thinking, God, Leo Ribos is just killing the ball
1:08:17
Speaker 1: right now. He's only two fre eight on the road trip,
1:08:19
Speaker 1: but every hit he gets seems to be big.
1:08:21
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:08:21
Speaker 1: I think one of the cool things Chris about Leo
1:08:23
Speaker 1: Revos is this, there are certain guys on every team
1:08:26
Speaker 1: in every sport that the rest of the locker room, clubhouse, whatever,
1:08:31
Speaker 1: rallies around. Remo seems to be that guy, like and
1:08:35
Speaker 1: and when Donovan comes back, he's back to being, you know,
1:08:38
Speaker 1: a utility guy. And that's probably this is probably not
1:08:41
Speaker 1: we don't want to go down the Hey, Dylan Moore
1:08:43
Speaker 1: is having a good start to the season, let's play
1:08:45
Speaker 1: him every day road right that I think I think
1:08:48
Speaker 1: Nathan would agree with. That didn't work. I think that
1:08:49
Speaker 1: was like four shows last year. Right, Why is Dylan
1:08:51
Speaker 1: more than the lineup every single day of the year.
1:08:54
Speaker 1: But Leo Revos just he only got seven RBI but
1:08:58
Speaker 1: every one of them has been big.
1:09:00
Speaker 10: You know, and we kind of forget too that he
1:09:02
Speaker 10: has one of the biggest hits in Seattle Mariners history,
1:09:05
Speaker 10: that him in Game Live against whoever the reliever was.
1:09:09
Speaker 10: That wasn't Turk's Google, thank you aj Hinch. And you know,
1:09:13
Speaker 10: you listen to that guy in interviews afterwards and he's
1:09:16
Speaker 10: just kind of like a little bit of a fireball,
1:09:18
Speaker 10: which is funny to me because he sometimes you think
1:09:22
Speaker 10: of fireballs as being like free swinging guys who have
1:09:24
Speaker 10: a ton of power. Well, that is not Louise Ribos.
1:09:26
Speaker 10: He just takes our Leo Ribos, excuse me. He just
1:09:29
Speaker 10: takes quality of bats, He draws his walks, he makes
1:09:32
Speaker 10: pitchers work. Now, I do not want Leo Rivos to
1:09:35
Speaker 10: be a starter for the Seattle Mariners, like you said,
1:09:37
Speaker 10: but he's a nice little weapon to have off the
1:09:39
Speaker 10: bench because he's somebody that you have to be a
1:09:42
Speaker 10: little bit cognizant of. And also just like you know,
1:09:46
Speaker 10: he can wear you out. He can be the type
1:09:48
Speaker 10: of guy who makes a reliever if he comes in
1:09:50
Speaker 10: as a pinch hitter, throws six or seven pitches and
1:09:53
Speaker 10: give hitters a chance to see what the arsenal is.
1:09:56
Speaker 10: That's a valuable little thing. And he's not a great
1:09:59
Speaker 10: defensive player, but I think his help was on it
1:10:01
Speaker 10: third For the most part, I don't like seeing him
1:10:04
Speaker 10: at shortstop at all. I hope we never have to
1:10:05
Speaker 10: see that again. But he'd be just fine at second
1:10:07
Speaker 10: base too. But there's those are valuable players. And then
1:10:11
Speaker 10: I think there's something too about the clubhouse too, Like
1:10:14
Speaker 10: I do think that he is a positive resource for
1:10:17
Speaker 10: those guys. Maybe resources the wrong term, but somebody that
1:10:20
Speaker 10: they kind of rally around, and that's fun to see
1:10:23
Speaker 10: as well. It's not all just about performance. Performance is
1:10:26
Speaker 10: the ultimate thing that matters, but if you can do
1:10:28
Speaker 10: your job and you happen to be someone who's likable
1:10:32
Speaker 10: in the dugout as well, that's a nice little added
1:10:35
Speaker 10: bonus too.
1:10:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the guy.
1:10:36
Speaker 9: That knows his skill set too, and Revoss knows exactly
1:10:39
Speaker 9: what he can and cannot do on a baseball field.
1:10:41
Speaker 9: To Chris's point with he's just never going to give
1:10:43
Speaker 9: away to bat and I don't want to see him
1:10:45
Speaker 9: a shortstop either, but he's probably the best shortstop currently
1:10:48
Speaker 9: on the big league rosters.
1:10:49
Speaker 2: So I will just leave that at that.
1:10:53
Speaker 1: And that other guy that starts, he leads baseball and
1:10:56
Speaker 1: successful abs challenges though, so Chris.
1:10:59
Speaker 5: He knows the strikes very well.
1:11:00
Speaker 1: Chris, he knows the strikes on. Chris doesn't always use
1:11:02
Speaker 1: it well, but he knows you should bee along the way.
1:11:05
Speaker 1: I don't want to bury the lead. Nathan might have
1:11:08
Speaker 1: heard of a guy where his number twenty one, Cal Rawley,
1:11:13
Speaker 1: last eleven games, eleven game on base streak, four home runs,
1:11:17
Speaker 1: five RBI, all of a sudden sitting his six home
1:11:19
Speaker 1: runs on the season, batting average, on base everything is
1:11:22
Speaker 1: starting to come up a little bit. Number twenty nine.
1:11:25
Speaker 1: He's got a long ways to go to get back
1:11:26
Speaker 1: to being MVP candidate. Cal Rawley, But if I'm the
1:11:29
Speaker 1: rest of the American League to see this guy, this big,
1:11:32
Speaker 1: the big dumper starting to dump some balls over the
1:11:34
Speaker 1: fence and starting to look like he did a little
1:11:36
Speaker 1: b last year. I'd be a little worried right now.
1:11:38
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
1:11:39
Speaker 9: Part of the reason why I was so bummed that
1:11:40
Speaker 9: he didn't win the MVP last year is it that
1:11:43
Speaker 9: probably is Cal's one real shot at winning an MVP award,
1:11:46
Speaker 9: because you have to have that kind of a year
1:11:48
Speaker 9: in order to challenge guys like Aaron Judge. That said,
1:11:51
Speaker 9: the power is always there, so to see it show
1:11:54
Speaker 9: up in the game again regularly, that's the thing that
1:11:56
Speaker 9: needs the whole His whole game offensively re around being
1:12:00
Speaker 9: able to hit that ball over the fence, so just
1:12:02
Speaker 9: getting the ball into the sweet spot more often, getting
1:12:05
Speaker 9: the ball into the air, pulling the ball with power.
1:12:07
Speaker 9: I think the first one he hit at the beginning
1:12:09
Speaker 9: of this streak was actually not a poll shot. I
1:12:11
Speaker 9: think he was left handed and went opo to left
1:12:14
Speaker 9: field at T Mobile, which is a really hard place
1:12:16
Speaker 9: for a left handed day at a home run because
1:12:18
Speaker 9: it wasn't right down the line, it was full left
1:12:20
Speaker 9: center power rally just showed that big, the big power
1:12:24
Speaker 9: that he has. So yeah, I think he's still going
1:12:27
Speaker 9: to end up being either the best catcher in baseball
1:12:30
Speaker 9: or a top three catcher in baseball. He is a
1:12:33
Speaker 9: He and Julio continue to be the entire reason why
1:12:36
Speaker 9: this offense has upside.
1:12:37
Speaker 1: Chris, What's changed for cal So?
1:12:40
Speaker 10: He's starting to chase a little bit less and the
1:12:42
Speaker 10: barrels are starting to come. Now, it's still not where
1:12:44
Speaker 10: you want him to see. He's in the bottom twentieth percentile,
1:12:48
Speaker 10: but I do feel like he's just his timing is better.
1:12:51
Speaker 10: We saw a lot of long foul balls from both
1:12:54
Speaker 10: Julio and cal Raley in the first couple of weeks
1:12:56
Speaker 10: of the season, and unfortunately now it's hard contact, but
1:12:59
Speaker 10: all that countys is a strike. And I think he's
1:13:02
Speaker 10: starting to, you know, straighten it out. You know, you
1:13:04
Speaker 10: hear the little league coaches say it all the time,
1:13:06
Speaker 10: straighten it out, straighten it out. He's starting to straighten
1:13:09
Speaker 10: it out a little bit. I also want to point
1:13:10
Speaker 10: out this, this is the best defensive season, small sample,
1:13:14
Speaker 10: to be sure, that I've seen from cal So far,
1:13:16
Speaker 10: and I was just looking at the savant page to
1:13:17
Speaker 10: see if it backs me up. Ninety seventh percentile and
1:13:20
Speaker 10: blocks above average ninetyeighth percentile, and cut stealing above average
1:13:24
Speaker 10: framing isn't great, but I think framing is kind of
1:13:27
Speaker 10: a thing that still matters, but maybe not as important
1:13:30
Speaker 10: right now. Colt Rally's a really good player, and I
1:13:33
Speaker 10: still think he's going to win an MVP someday because
1:13:35
Speaker 10: I just believe in that power and I believe in
1:13:37
Speaker 10: the positional value that he provides. It's really nice to
1:13:40
Speaker 10: see the results. But the biggest thing is I think
1:13:43
Speaker 10: the timing is better and he's starting to chase a
1:13:45
Speaker 10: little bit less.
1:13:46
Speaker 1: Well, if the if the you know, if Aaron Judge
1:13:48
Speaker 1: is always your main competition, at some point, he's going
1:13:51
Speaker 1: to got to go. At some point, he's going to
1:13:52
Speaker 1: miss forty games, right Like, seriously, I'm not wishing an interview.
1:13:55
Speaker 1: I'm not wishing an interview or an injury on somebody.
1:13:57
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, at some point, the reality is his
1:14:00
Speaker 1: body type and everything else, Like, he's probably gonna miss
1:14:02
Speaker 1: some time and that'll open up the door. Josh Naylor,
1:14:07
Speaker 1: stay on your on what you're seeing in terms of
1:14:09
Speaker 1: the chase rates and all those fun stuff, all the
1:14:11
Speaker 1: little nerd stats you got there in front of them,
1:14:13
Speaker 1: Chris Josh Naylor. The numbers, the raw numbers, his last
1:14:16
Speaker 1: eleven games, three fifty seven, two doubles, three home runs,
1:14:20
Speaker 1: all by the way, four for four on stolen base
1:14:22
Speaker 1: is a one point two to three ops. Josh Naylor
1:14:25
Speaker 1: starting to warm up a little bit.
1:14:27
Speaker 10: Yeah, And I knew that was going to happen, just
1:14:29
Speaker 10: because I knew Josh Naylor wasn't the worst hitter in baseball,
1:14:32
Speaker 10: and he was literally among them, if not the worst
1:14:35
Speaker 10: hitter in baseball, especially when you consider positional value. His
1:14:39
Speaker 10: timing looks a lot better squaring the baseball up at
1:14:43
Speaker 10: a really strong rate, still not like great rates, you know,
1:14:46
Speaker 10: but you're starting to see it. You know what else
1:14:48
Speaker 10: you're starting to see is you're starting to see him run.
1:14:50
Speaker 10: And I wonder if he's starting to have a little
1:14:51
Speaker 10: bit more fun now. Worth pointing out that he gets
1:14:55
Speaker 10: these the scratch from the lineup yesterday, so hopefully everything's
1:14:58
Speaker 10: all right there. But I I just think the timing
1:15:00
Speaker 10: there looks better too, and that's not a huge surprise.
1:15:04
Speaker 10: Hitters sometimes just don't have that great timing, and hitters
1:15:07
Speaker 10: who play in the World Baseball Classic often don't have
1:15:10
Speaker 10: that great timing. I don't know what the heck that is.
1:15:12
Speaker 10: I'd love to have a deep dive into it. But
1:15:14
Speaker 10: there are definitely guys who have played in the WBC
1:15:18
Speaker 10: who just don't get off on all cylinders. You think
1:15:20
Speaker 10: it would be the opposite that, like after playing in
1:15:23
Speaker 10: a big competition, you're like ready to roar and just
1:15:26
Speaker 10: on firing in all cylinders. But that certainly wasn't the
1:15:28
Speaker 10: case for Naylor. I still have some concerns with Naylor.
1:15:32
Speaker 10: I want to see I want to see quality back
1:15:34
Speaker 10: to back games. We still haven't seen that. We've seen
1:15:36
Speaker 10: a bunch of three hit games followed by zero for
1:15:39
Speaker 10: fives with a couple of strikeouts. But it's nice to
1:15:42
Speaker 10: see him getting on that right path and I have
1:15:44
Speaker 10: no doubt that he's going to be a quality player
1:15:46
Speaker 10: for the Marriags.
1:15:47
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Speaker 1: Pitching kind of a mixed bag, I would say last
1:15:52
Speaker 1: week pitching wise, right, fellas like it it wasn't elite.
1:15:56
Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way. And Nathan, you mentioned
1:15:59
Speaker 1: you open every starter is going to have one of those.
1:16:02
Speaker 1: We just don't ever expect to see it from Brian
1:16:04
Speaker 1: Wu because he's Brian Flipping Wu. Like that doesn't happen
1:16:07
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1:16:10
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Speaker 1: want it before we get to some pitching stuff. Raise
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Speaker 1: your hand if you want to give some love to
1:17:40
Speaker 1: Cole Young on this. Jess You're not involved, both of
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Speaker 1: you guys. Well, let's Chris let me start with this,
1:17:46
Speaker 1: because he raised his hand. Nathan Bishop, Cole Young love,
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Speaker 1: I'll let you start.
1:17:51
Speaker 10: Well.
1:17:51
Speaker 9: Look, I mean, the whole thing is being able to
1:17:54
Speaker 9: call a spade of spade, and that's kind of been
1:17:55
Speaker 9: my whole deal with when I talk about the Seattle Mariners.
1:17:58
Speaker 9: So when they do things that are bad, I like
1:17:59
Speaker 9: to say things are bad, and when they do things
1:18:01
Speaker 9: that are good, I like to say they're good. It
1:18:03
Speaker 9: just so happens that more or that often than not
1:18:05
Speaker 9: they're bad. But I've been pretty harsh on this team's
1:18:07
Speaker 9: ability to graduate useful positional prospects outside of Cal and Julio,
1:18:11
Speaker 9: which are obviously, I mean, they're the two best players
1:18:14
Speaker 9: at their position in baseball, So it was pretty big exceptions.
1:18:16
Speaker 9: But what this team has really needed to do this
1:18:20
Speaker 9: entire decade, and honestly, the entire Depoto regime is not
1:18:24
Speaker 9: just graduate stars, but graduate useful regular position players at
1:18:28
Speaker 9: a semi regular rate. And with Cole Young, I think
1:18:30
Speaker 9: they may just have one. And it's not just the
1:18:33
Speaker 9: fact that I think we were talking off air.
1:18:35
Speaker 2: OAA, which is.
1:18:36
Speaker 9: A defensive metric, has him rated as the best defensive
1:18:38
Speaker 9: player in baseball. I don't think that you can suffer
1:18:41
Speaker 9: that to be factual, but that is what it is.
1:18:43
Speaker 9: He's played a good shortstop. The bat just looks so polished.
1:18:47
Speaker 9: There's just so much about the way he hits both
1:18:50
Speaker 9: right handers and left handers. He never really looks overmatched.
1:18:53
Speaker 9: He doesn't have a bats that look terrible. Ever, even
1:18:56
Speaker 9: when he doesn't get the results.
1:18:57
Speaker 2: That he wanted.
1:18:57
Speaker 9: I don't think that people regularly really remember how young
1:19:01
Speaker 9: this guy still is.
1:19:02
Speaker 5: I think he's just.
1:19:03
Speaker 2: Turned twenty two.
1:19:04
Speaker 10: I could be wrong here.
1:19:05
Speaker 2: Chris will know his birthday off the top of.
1:19:06
Speaker 1: The twenty two. So he turns twenty three in July.
1:19:10
Speaker 9: Okay, turn twenty three in July, so he's still only
1:19:12
Speaker 9: twenty two years old. He'd be a young player in
1:19:14
Speaker 9: double and Triple A right now, and he's doing just
1:19:18
Speaker 9: fine in the major leagues. It's not just results with Young,
1:19:21
Speaker 9: it is processed too. The way that Cole Young is
1:19:24
Speaker 9: playing baseball right now looks like a very repeatable, stable
1:19:29
Speaker 9: level of performance, and that looks like something like an
1:19:31
Speaker 9: average to above average major league second basement, which is
1:19:34
Speaker 9: the kind of player that Seattle Marriers have needed for
1:19:38
Speaker 9: so very long and have been looking for four years.
1:19:41
Speaker 9: So I'm just really encouraged by what I've seen so far.
1:19:43
Speaker 9: I don't think there's any reason to think there's some
1:19:46
Speaker 9: like he'll have struggles. Every player has struggles. We just
1:19:48
Speaker 9: talked about how Julio Rodriguez and Cal Rawly spent the
1:19:51
Speaker 9: first month of the season basically not hitting at all.
1:19:54
Speaker 9: Like those streaks come, but there's no reason to think
1:19:56
Speaker 9: that's going to happen and he's not going to be
1:19:58
Speaker 9: able to adjust back at this point.
1:19:59
Speaker 2: He has pedigree, he's graduated.
1:20:01
Speaker 9: He looks like the player that scout said he was
1:20:03
Speaker 9: going to be and the way that scouts thought he
1:20:05
Speaker 9: would be good.
1:20:06
Speaker 2: So it just seems like a good thing.
1:20:08
Speaker 10: Chris Real quick, because I don't think it's gonna come
1:20:11
Speaker 10: up organically. Could you tell me where the Seahawks first
1:20:13
Speaker 10: round draft pick came from? What school he went to?
1:20:16
Speaker 1: That would be the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, Thank you
1:20:18
Speaker 1: very much, Notre Dame.
1:20:19
Speaker 10: So the thing with jendering Amos said they do in
1:20:23
Speaker 10: their bowl game by the way, Oh, we don't need
1:20:26
Speaker 10: to talk about it. And that looks great. It's great.
1:20:29
Speaker 10: He didn't have touches and because he knew he wanted
1:20:31
Speaker 10: to be a Seahawks baby, processed process and result. The
1:20:36
Speaker 10: process for Cole Young has just looked so good, and
1:20:40
Speaker 10: he stays in on pitches, especially against lefties. Seeing the
1:20:44
Speaker 10: improvement that he's made against left handed pitching has just
1:20:47
Speaker 10: been so massive to me. And I'm not surprised that
1:20:50
Speaker 10: he's a quality defender at second base. The arm strength,
1:20:53
Speaker 10: it's still very hard to watch him throw because there's
1:20:56
Speaker 10: not a lot of mustard on that hot dog. He
1:20:58
Speaker 10: just doesn't have the elite arm strength that you want there.
1:21:01
Speaker 10: I believe averages seventy one point five miles per hour
1:21:04
Speaker 10: on his throes, which is well down there. But I'm
1:21:08
Speaker 10: just so impressed with like nothing seems to bother him.
1:21:11
Speaker 10: He gets in two strike counts, he fouls off some pitches,
1:21:14
Speaker 10: he bloops a little single into left center field, he
1:21:17
Speaker 10: fouls off a couple of pitches, and then he shows
1:21:19
Speaker 10: that pop. Some of the longest home runs we've seen
1:21:21
Speaker 10: from the Seattle Mariners this year have been from Cole Young.
1:21:24
Speaker 10: There is strength in this guy's swing as well, but
1:21:27
Speaker 10: he just kind of gets it. There's a little bit
1:21:28
Speaker 10: of an it factor with Cole Young, and I've been
1:21:31
Speaker 10: so impressed and the fact that you don't have to
1:21:34
Speaker 10: rely on this guy to be This doesn't have to
1:21:36
Speaker 10: be Jared Kelnick. This is not a guy who's being
1:21:39
Speaker 10: called up to be, you know, like one of the
1:21:41
Speaker 10: two or three best players on your team. This guy's
1:21:43
Speaker 10: gonna hit at the bottom of the order for a
1:21:45
Speaker 10: while now in his career, he's going to start moving up.
1:21:48
Speaker 10: I think he's going to be a perfect leadoff hitter
1:21:50
Speaker 10: someday for the Seattle Mariners. But I love this situation
1:21:54
Speaker 10: that they put themselves in with Young, and I think
1:21:56
Speaker 10: that's going to be a similar situation that you see
1:21:58
Speaker 10: with col T Emerson as well.
1:22:00
Speaker 1: The starting pitching fellas. Depending on which numbers you look at,
1:22:04
Speaker 1: has been pretty good so far this season, and with
1:22:07
Speaker 1: a couple of blips on the screen Tonight stars Luis Castillo.
1:22:11
Speaker 1: He gets to start for Seattle the raw number zero
1:22:14
Speaker 1: to one five point one earned run average for Rock
1:22:19
Speaker 1: and not the one from WWE Chris, give me a
1:22:22
Speaker 1: give me just a quick vote. Wee we're gonna get
1:22:24
Speaker 1: to we'll get to predictions and stuff and look ahead.
1:22:26
Speaker 1: But some thoughts on starting pitching specifically, Boy, it was.
1:22:30
Speaker 10: Ugly from Brian Wu. But outside of that, I've been
1:22:33
Speaker 10: really impressed. And you know, Wu was due for a
1:22:35
Speaker 10: game like this, And when do we find out that
1:22:37
Speaker 10: the baseball was juiced to eighty seven percent for that day,
1:22:40
Speaker 10: I won't be surprised because it was just flying out
1:22:42
Speaker 10: of the ballpark. I've been really impressed. And the concern
1:22:46
Speaker 10: for me right now is Castillo just because he's getting
1:22:48
Speaker 10: hit hard average ex velocities at the bottom six percentile,
1:22:52
Speaker 10: hard hit percentage bottom eighteenth percentile, and it's because he's
1:22:56
Speaker 10: just not locating his secondary pitches at all. His off
1:22:58
Speaker 10: speed run value is negative three, which is in the
1:23:00
Speaker 10: bottom two percent. The fastball looks fine, he's getting swings
1:23:04
Speaker 10: and missus. I hate to make this comp There's been
1:23:07
Speaker 10: a little bit of NOESI to him this year where
1:23:10
Speaker 10: can get ahead of guys and just can't finish him
1:23:12
Speaker 10: off right now. And that is that. I know, I
1:23:15
Speaker 10: know it's not a nice thing, but I still believe
1:23:19
Speaker 10: in Luis Castillo. But he's the one guy right now
1:23:22
Speaker 10: outside of maybe Emerson Hancock who's coming a little bit
1:23:25
Speaker 10: back to life. Although six innings of two run baseball's
1:23:27
Speaker 10: nothing to sneeze at, but this starting pitching has been
1:23:30
Speaker 10: really good.
1:23:31
Speaker 1: Nathan starting bullpen Analyst's choice here for the final your
1:23:36
Speaker 1: final thought.
1:23:37
Speaker 9: Here, I'll talk a little bit about the rotation too.
1:23:39
Speaker 9: I'll just say that the thing with I'm everything Chris
1:23:42
Speaker 9: said as accurate as it always is. He's almost as
1:23:45
Speaker 9: smart as he is handsome. But I will say the
1:23:48
Speaker 9: Emerson Hancock thing that worries me is a couple of things.
1:23:50
Speaker 9: And the reason why I think my concerned level is
1:23:52
Speaker 9: maybe a little higher with him than it is with Castillo.
1:23:54
Speaker 9: Castillo's issue is that he's just getting older, has a
1:23:57
Speaker 9: lot of Indians on that arm, and you're seeing fatigue
1:24:00
Speaker 9: way that comes from years and years of regular use.
1:24:02
Speaker 9: I still think there's a great track record there, including
1:24:04
Speaker 9: last year of him being a guy who will take
1:24:06
Speaker 9: the ball every five days and give you a pennable start.
1:24:09
Speaker 9: Hancock doesn't have that track record. He had a really
1:24:11
Speaker 9: encouraging beginning to the season, but you're starting to see
1:24:14
Speaker 9: that third time through the order penalty really catch up
1:24:17
Speaker 9: to him the last couple starts where he's once guys
1:24:19
Speaker 9: have seen him a couple times through in a start,
1:24:21
Speaker 9: He's really starting to get banged around that third time through.
1:24:24
Speaker 9: That couple with the lack of pedigree, there is just
1:24:27
Speaker 9: a little That's the one that I'm kind of monitoring
1:24:29
Speaker 9: a little more closely. Like we've talked in the past,
1:24:32
Speaker 9: the Mariners are exceptionally well suited to figure that out
1:24:35
Speaker 9: should they have to make a change in the rotation
1:24:37
Speaker 9: between Bryce Miller and Kate Anderson coming. The thing that
1:24:41
Speaker 9: I'm noticing and that I keep harping on with this
1:24:43
Speaker 9: team is I'm just looking at the Fangrafts stats here,
1:24:46
Speaker 9: and this is all small sample sized stuff. The Mariner's
1:24:49
Speaker 9: rotation just they're pitching at large is I think fifth
1:24:52
Speaker 9: and baseball at three point eight wins, which is great.
1:24:55
Speaker 9: Top five pitching is great. They are really low relative
1:25:00
Speaker 9: to that in their strikeout rate. They're twenty first in
1:25:03
Speaker 9: strikeout rate, which would be fine, except that that means
1:25:06
Speaker 9: that balls are in play, and that means that this
1:25:08
Speaker 9: defense has to field the ball and successfully throw it
1:25:11
Speaker 9: to someone in order to record an out. And I
1:25:13
Speaker 9: think that's the thing, more than the pitching and more
1:25:16
Speaker 9: than the hitting that we really it's going to be
1:25:18
Speaker 9: the toughest thing for this organization to.
1:25:20
Speaker 1: Solve real fast before we wrap things up. Chris two
1:25:23
Speaker 1: updates Bryce Miller, Kate Anderson.
1:25:26
Speaker 10: Yeah, Katy Anderson had another outstanding start, a zero point
1:25:29
Speaker 10: four to eight ERA now in Double A, which is
1:25:32
Speaker 10: just a ridiculous pretty good first god first live or
1:25:35
Speaker 10: four excuse me, professional starts. I heard Bryce Miller looked
1:25:38
Speaker 10: pretty good. I didn't actually see the stat line, but
1:25:41
Speaker 10: was up to ninety eight miles per hour with his fastball.
1:25:43
Speaker 10: They're going to have some really interesting decisions to make,
1:25:46
Speaker 10: really interesting because all three of those guys have some
1:25:50
Speaker 10: trade value too, and you can have one of them
1:25:52
Speaker 10: in the bullpen, you probably can't have the other. Kat
1:25:56
Speaker 10: Anderson at some point is going to be a waste
1:25:58
Speaker 10: in Double A. It's going to be what are you doing?
1:26:00
Speaker 1: What is the point, What's what's the process? But help
1:26:02
Speaker 1: us out like old guys like me that used to
1:26:04
Speaker 1: see like every good you know, like it was it
1:26:07
Speaker 1: was truly a step ladder, single A, double A, triple A, Majors.
1:26:11
Speaker 1: Does he still need to go to triple A?
1:26:13
Speaker 10: Nope, nope. And we've seen it from the Mariners in
1:26:16
Speaker 10: the past, like Logan Gilbert I went believe went straight
1:26:19
Speaker 10: from double A. George Kirby made like one Triple A
1:26:22
Speaker 10: start before ending up getting into the majors. And we've
1:26:25
Speaker 10: seen guys like Paul Skins and others of those ilk
1:26:29
Speaker 10: And I'm not saying he's as good as Paul Skins
1:26:31
Speaker 10: or a Tree schoobl or something like that, but he's
1:26:33
Speaker 10: really good. But no, he does not have to make
1:26:35
Speaker 10: starts in triple A. They may choose to do that
1:26:37
Speaker 10: because they want him to work with that coaching staff,
1:26:40
Speaker 10: but absolutely not. He could absolutely make the jump from
1:26:42
Speaker 10: double A.
1:26:43
Speaker 1: And it just does sound like it's almost at some
1:26:44
Speaker 1: point here in the next few weeks. It's like why
1:26:46
Speaker 1: why you even here, Like like it's just a waste
1:26:49
Speaker 1: of everything. Okay, Chris Mile, why pumping up?
1:26:52
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1:27:01
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1:27:05
Speaker 1: Six games this week, four and two almost like four
1:27:07
Speaker 1: two fortune.
1:27:10
Speaker 10: There's gonna be probably a doubleheader at some point, which
1:27:12
Speaker 10: screws everything up.
1:27:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, today looks like it's in Dell. Right, today looks
1:27:15
Speaker 1: very much in.
1:27:17
Speaker 10: Not forbid.
1:27:17
Speaker 2: They get on a hot streak before July. Five teams all.
1:27:20
Speaker 1: Week five, the Bishop, I love it.
1:27:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's start.
1:27:24
Speaker 9: Let's start this with them in first place in a
1:27:26
Speaker 9: week and actually like not have to talk about that anymore.
1:27:28
Speaker 3: How about six and oh get a ten game winning
1:27:29
Speaker 3: streak going huh okay.
1:27:34
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got all kinds of stuff. Ten and
1:27:37
Speaker 1: ten straight wins. Come on, Anders, this isn't July. We'll
1:27:39
Speaker 1: wait till, we'll wait till they have their next little swing. Well,
1:27:43
Speaker 1: they'll swoon down a little bit and we'll have one
1:27:45
Speaker 1: of those weeks and then all of a sudden, they're
1:27:46
Speaker 1: gonna sring together like a ten ten game winning streak
1:27:49
Speaker 1: with a two middle fingers pointed to Molly Watt Monday
1:27:51
Speaker 1: is what is going to happen?
1:27:52
Speaker 10: So Jederian Press wants to Notre Dame.
1:27:55
Speaker 2: I'm just glad you've heard of this.
1:27:57
Speaker 5: Pronounce his name right, Chris.
1:27:58
Speaker 1: Jadarian with car. Yeah, yes, we were correct. We were
1:28:02
Speaker 1: all corrected over the weekend. Judd Darr rhymes with car.
1:28:07
Speaker 1: Gotta know that name when he's rushing for about fifteen
1:28:09
Speaker 1: hundred yards next season in twelve touchdowns. Huh you sweet?
1:28:13
Speaker 10: I love him.
1:28:14
Speaker 1: I just is running made it Notre Dame behind that
1:28:18
Speaker 1: line and uh in Arizona is gonna probably end up
1:28:21
Speaker 1: playing three games and be just beat the hell and yeah,
1:28:24
Speaker 1: stop it.
1:28:25
Speaker 10: We love Jeremiah love. We just want him to play
1:28:28
Speaker 10: outside of this division.
1:28:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be nice throwing balls.
1:28:30
Speaker 2: How can he fail?
1:28:32
Speaker 1: Hey, it's Gardner, It'll be Gardner first, funny. Just don't
1:28:34
Speaker 1: worry about it. Okay, stop it go, Cook's all right.
1:28:38
Speaker 2: That's it.
1:28:38
Speaker 1: Mallawap Monday in the books malliwap fifteen to check out
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Speaker 1: at Simply Seattle simply sale dot com. Thanks Fella's talk
1:28:43
Speaker 1: to you next week, and of course on our fun
1:28:45
Speaker 1: chats which we get to all week as well, which
1:28:47
Speaker 1: are highly endited. Someday we'll share some of those. No,
1:28:49
Speaker 1: probably not would all be we would all be fired
1:28:52
Speaker 1: uh and canceled and everything else. That's the moll, that's
1:28:55
Speaker 1: the boys, speaking of Jadarian Price. Chris Crawford joins us
1:28:59
Speaker 1: next now from the Star Rentals.
1:29:04
Speaker 7: Sports to us Jordan ninety three point three KJRFMS sports.
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Speaker 1: Headlines headlines brought to you by Frostbrew cors I choose
1:29:10
Speaker 1: chill NFL draft in the books. Three days of coverage
1:29:13
Speaker 1: right here on ninety three point three KJRFM. A ton
1:29:16
Speaker 1: of fun Seahawks end up with eight picks overall. Jadari
1:29:20
Speaker 1: In Price. We're gonna hear from him in a second.
1:29:21
Speaker 1: The first round pick thirty second overall. On Thursday two,
1:29:24
Speaker 1: DB's but Clark, Julie Neil, a couple of defensive backs.
1:29:27
Speaker 1: On Day two. Bo Stevens, a guard, was a fifth
1:29:31
Speaker 1: round pick. On Saturday. Emmanuel Henderson and junior or out
1:29:35
Speaker 1: of Kansas, A wide receiver, kick returner Andre Fuller, another
1:29:37
Speaker 1: cornerback out of Toledo. Devin Eastern big Man, big big
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Speaker 1: dude man. Have you seen this?
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Speaker 2: Dude?
1:29:43
Speaker 1: No softy always wants They quote Big Tubago in the
1:29:46
Speaker 1: middle he does. Devin Eastern is that guy?
1:29:48
Speaker 5: Okay.
1:29:49
Speaker 1: Michael Dansby, a cornerback, rounded out their draft picks. What
1:29:51
Speaker 1: was all said and Don Mariners finished off a nice
1:29:53
Speaker 1: week with four s right wins, including a sweep of
1:29:55
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals. They now are in Minnesota. Tonight's
1:29:59
Speaker 1: game is very much in question. Rain falling in the
1:30:04
Speaker 1: Twin Cities. They built a stadium there a few years
1:30:07
Speaker 1: ago that doesn't have a roof. It also snows there.
1:30:10
Speaker 1: Do you remember the snow game the Menders had there
1:30:12
Speaker 1: a few years ago?
1:30:12
Speaker 6: That was time.
1:30:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good time. So that's a really bright move
1:30:15
Speaker 1: on their part. Mlbe Red Sox fire the whole coaching staff,
1:30:19
Speaker 1: including manager Alex Cora. Over the weekend as well, Carolina
1:30:22
Speaker 1: Colorado Bulls sweep their series in the NHL playoffs, with
1:30:25
Speaker 1: one of the second round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs,
1:30:28
Speaker 1: Portland losing to San Antonio Wemby back last night. He'd
1:30:31
Speaker 1: love to see it. Portland sucks Wemby. They they had
1:30:36
Speaker 1: a chance on Friday to take a two to one
1:30:38
Speaker 1: series lead at home. They're revved up no Wemby and
1:30:41
Speaker 1: they lose, and then Wemby comes back yesterday and they
1:30:44
Speaker 1: lose again, down three to one. Rumor has that their
1:30:47
Speaker 1: new owner is going to not let They're gonna have
1:30:49
Speaker 1: toake a bust to San Antonio after that. It's the
1:30:51
Speaker 1: entire team, that's what they're gonna do. Uh there as
1:30:54
Speaker 1: well and news from the NBA courtesy of Tim Booth
1:30:57
Speaker 1: from the Seattle Times. At a meeting today with sports
1:31:00
Speaker 1: editors across the country, Adam Silver saying unlikely that there
1:31:03
Speaker 1: will be a vote on NBA expansion this summer. So
1:31:07
Speaker 1: now the hope is it'll get done sometime in September,
1:31:10
Speaker 1: before the season, at the next bord of Governor's meeting,
1:31:12
Speaker 1: or before the end of the year if they have
1:31:14
Speaker 1: to call a special session. But does not sound like
1:31:17
Speaker 1: we'll have an NBA franchise awarded until at the earliest
1:31:20
Speaker 1: this coming fall. Speaking of Jadarian Price, had a chance
1:31:26
Speaker 1: he and I to catch up with him the other day.
1:31:28
Speaker 1: It was kind of late, We're all running around. Wanted
1:31:30
Speaker 1: to take a listen to this. By the way, four
1:31:31
Speaker 1: nine four to five one is the tacomadach text line.
1:31:34
Speaker 1: Want to get you guys a chance to get to
1:31:36
Speaker 1: know and hear from the first round draft pick of
1:31:39
Speaker 1: your Seattle Seahawks.
1:31:40
Speaker 8: With the thirty second big in the twenty twenty six
1:31:43
Speaker 8: NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks select.
1:31:47
Speaker 5: Jdarian Price, Notre Dame running back.
1:31:52
Speaker 1: And obviously very exciting day for Jadarian Price, for his
1:31:57
Speaker 1: family and for Seahawks fans as well. And he joined
1:32:00
Speaker 1: us right now on the Beacon Plumbing hot line. Jadari
1:32:03
Speaker 1: and this is ian Fanacic Kjr. Along with former NFL
1:32:06
Speaker 1: quarterback Hugh Millen, who's with me as well. How are
1:32:08
Speaker 1: you doing today on the day after you become a
1:32:11
Speaker 1: first round draft pick by the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks.
1:32:16
Speaker 6: Okay, yes, sir, how you how you feeling wild? I'm
1:32:21
Speaker 6: feeling good.
1:32:25
Speaker 1: What walk us through yesterday?
1:32:26
Speaker 5: A little bit?
1:32:28
Speaker 1: The phone call from John Schneider, the emotions you went
1:32:30
Speaker 1: through and everything that took place yesterday.
1:32:35
Speaker 8: Yeah, So just just moments before the call, I was
1:32:38
Speaker 8: still walking around, like you know, anxious about what was
1:32:41
Speaker 8: going to happen next, whether they going to keep the
1:32:44
Speaker 8: pick or whatever was going to happen. I brought it
1:32:48
Speaker 8: to myself to.
1:32:49
Speaker 6: Just you know, sit down and relax.
1:32:50
Speaker 8: And as I was going to the couch, my phone
1:32:53
Speaker 8: started ringing, and I'm just like, oh, it's that time
1:32:55
Speaker 8: and on snare you know, intwer the phone it was.
1:33:00
Speaker 6: I'll just rush what emotions immediately.
1:33:03
Speaker 1: Your why was well talked about last night. We were
1:33:07
Speaker 1: here with listening to your conference call and when you
1:33:10
Speaker 1: called into all of us here in the media in Seattle.
1:33:12
Speaker 1: And before I turn it over to my ex NFL
1:33:15
Speaker 1: quarterback here, Hugh Milan, who's going to throw some x's
1:33:17
Speaker 1: and o's at you and some football stuff that's way
1:33:19
Speaker 1: over my acumen, sir, A couple of things jumped out.
1:33:22
Speaker 1: One is they talked about loyalty to John Schneider and
1:33:26
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald yesterday. We live in a world now, as
1:33:29
Speaker 1: you well know that the world of nil, and young
1:33:31
Speaker 1: men can get paid and compensated for playing football at
1:33:34
Speaker 1: the highest level. Oftentimes they go and get more money
1:33:38
Speaker 1: or they look for more playing time. You're at a
1:33:41
Speaker 1: school like Notre Dame, incredible academic institution. You don't get
1:33:44
Speaker 1: in there just because you're a good football player. We
1:33:46
Speaker 1: know that we heard from your high school coach today,
1:33:48
Speaker 1: but you also stuck around and maybe as a backup.
1:33:51
Speaker 1: We're sharing some time with a guy that was a
1:33:53
Speaker 1: number three pick in the in the NFL draft. That
1:33:56
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. That just flat out doesn't happen anymore in
1:33:58
Speaker 1: today's football. Why did you stick around Notre Dame? What
1:34:03
Speaker 1: what was it that kept you there as opposed to
1:34:05
Speaker 1: going somewhere else where you could have been the lead
1:34:07
Speaker 1: back and there would have been no question about going
1:34:09
Speaker 1: in the first round.
1:34:11
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was many factors, one being I committed to
1:34:15
Speaker 8: the University of Notre Dame and it's the best place
1:34:18
Speaker 8: I could be, and it made me a better player,
1:34:20
Speaker 8: a better person, and and then and grateful for you
1:34:25
Speaker 8: know what Notre Dame has has given me. I wanted
1:34:29
Speaker 8: to finish my degree. I graduate Notre Dame, and I
1:34:33
Speaker 8: wanted to come back with those guys in the Peteford
1:34:35
Speaker 8: National Championship like we did the year before. But also
1:34:38
Speaker 8: I made, you know, chalance to myself to do just
1:34:41
Speaker 8: as good and produce just as much as the best
1:34:44
Speaker 8: player in college football. And I trusted my was saying,
1:34:47
Speaker 8: even though I had a lot of people in my ears,
1:34:49
Speaker 8: they're saying I should do one thing or another, But
1:34:52
Speaker 8: I trusted my good and I'm here.
1:34:53
Speaker 2: Today, Jadarian. Price with this, Jadari, and take us into
1:34:58
Speaker 2: whether it's your meeting room or on the sideline during
1:35:02
Speaker 2: the games or what have you. There must have been
1:35:04
Speaker 2: some component where you and Jeremiah were challenging each other,
1:35:09
Speaker 2: whether it's competing for reps or or some like maybe
1:35:13
Speaker 2: it's a friendly you know, like like, hey, I can
1:35:16
Speaker 2: get more out of this stretch than you can get.
1:35:18
Speaker 2: You know, like like just kind of tell us the
1:35:20
Speaker 2: nature of that very unique competition you two have.
1:35:27
Speaker 8: When you mentioned that, it brings me back to uh.
1:35:29
Speaker 8: I think it was the third game of the season.
1:35:32
Speaker 8: I had four touchdowns against Purdue and we were challenging ourselves.
1:35:37
Speaker 8: I think we had we had six total touchdowns out
1:35:39
Speaker 8: of the running back room, like, all right, when we
1:35:42
Speaker 8: go against Arkansas the next week, it's gotta be more
1:35:45
Speaker 8: and going to and we had another running back, so
1:35:52
Speaker 8: we had seven and then we were just like, all right,
1:35:54
Speaker 8: we gotta keep this going.
1:35:56
Speaker 6: You don't.
1:35:57
Speaker 8: It's not very often you score seven touchdowns from from
1:36:00
Speaker 8: one position group every other game, but you know, just
1:36:03
Speaker 8: we made a challenge ourselves to be the best running
1:36:06
Speaker 8: back duo in the country, and ultimately the you know,
1:36:09
Speaker 8: the greatest running backs come through there, Dame and that
1:36:12
Speaker 8: came with our work. I think the time we spent
1:36:14
Speaker 8: in the training room or the the meeting room and
1:36:19
Speaker 8: the weight room with recovery.
1:36:21
Speaker 6: Stuff like that.
1:36:22
Speaker 8: But also when one one persons going on the field
1:36:25
Speaker 8: at the time, the other guys just watching him closely
1:36:29
Speaker 8: and you know, figuring out ways to give the other
1:36:31
Speaker 8: guy tips and stuff.
1:36:32
Speaker 6: You know, we were never hiding away.
1:36:34
Speaker 8: Like you know, ways to get better and during the game.
1:36:36
Speaker 2: So yeah, Jedari in price with us again. And and yeah,
1:36:40
Speaker 2: I saw that swing route. You took the swing screen
1:36:43
Speaker 2: against Arkansas. You cut back, took it to the house
1:36:45
Speaker 2: from about midfield. But and that in fact, uh that
1:36:50
Speaker 2: that was one of the plays. After we drafted you,
1:36:53
Speaker 2: Jdari and I went back and watched the game. The
1:36:56
Speaker 2: coaches tape all one hundred and thirteen of your carries
1:36:59
Speaker 2: and all seven times that they threw to you. And
1:37:01
Speaker 2: so I've got a good mental image of what you
1:37:04
Speaker 2: put on tape. And first of all, it's a fun
1:37:07
Speaker 2: tape to watch. You're a beautiful football player and on
1:37:09
Speaker 2: behalf of the twelves were delighted that you're a Seahawk. Okay,
1:37:12
Speaker 2: so it's a fun tape. I want to ask you
1:37:15
Speaker 2: an x is, and no question, because you said last night,
1:37:18
Speaker 2: your bread and butter is the outside zone, which, as
1:37:21
Speaker 2: you know as the Seahawks bread and butter. Right at
1:37:24
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season, you were running at some
1:37:26
Speaker 2: of that from pistol, you know, never from under center
1:37:30
Speaker 2: with a quarterback shotgun, so you had some pistol. But
1:37:33
Speaker 2: then most of the season you were off set. So
1:37:36
Speaker 2: if you're going stretch right, you were aligned to the
1:37:40
Speaker 2: quarterbacks left, kind of in the b gap off a
1:37:43
Speaker 2: left guard, you know, the outside leg of the guard.
1:37:46
Speaker 2: Tell us how that changes in your mind, the difference
1:37:50
Speaker 2: between being in the dot right behind the quarterback versus
1:37:54
Speaker 2: you have so many reps where you were off set,
1:37:57
Speaker 2: you're going stretch right, but you line up to the left.
1:38:00
Speaker 2: Tell us how that changes your reads and and how
1:38:03
Speaker 2: you expect that may change when you go to the
1:38:04
Speaker 2: Seahorks and you're behind the center.
1:38:08
Speaker 6: Yeah, we realized, you know, whether we're in gun or.
1:38:10
Speaker 8: In a pistol, you know, just based off of the
1:38:14
Speaker 8: stats throughout the season, sometimes it was better to be
1:38:18
Speaker 8: and the coaches mindset it was, you know, pistol short yards.
1:38:22
Speaker 8: But in my mind, honestly, I'd rather be in gun
1:38:26
Speaker 8: for the short yards situations, but in my mind, also
1:38:31
Speaker 8: from Gun, it's a little bit more of a stretch
1:38:33
Speaker 8: and you're kind of forced to hit the outside or
1:38:36
Speaker 8: sea gap. But when you're for Pistol, you can kind
1:38:39
Speaker 8: of see the whole picture and you can easily see
1:38:41
Speaker 8: the backside as well, So you know, when those double
1:38:43
Speaker 8: teams happen, they double team all the way up to
1:38:46
Speaker 8: the linebackers, you can easily have a cutback or no
1:38:49
Speaker 8: cut at all, which my old runs back coach used
1:38:51
Speaker 8: to say is the best cut. But yeah, I love
1:38:55
Speaker 8: both of them, you know, whether it was Gun or Pistol.
1:38:58
Speaker 8: And you know what we did from Pistol, it's definitely
1:39:01
Speaker 8: going to translate to the NFL what they do under center,
1:39:04
Speaker 8: and you got things off of that with like the
1:39:07
Speaker 8: you know, the RPO stuff that we did in college
1:39:12
Speaker 8: and stuff like that, and the play action stuff. It
1:39:15
Speaker 8: definitely would translate.
1:39:17
Speaker 1: Jdarian Price joining a Seahawk first round pick thirty second
1:39:19
Speaker 1: overall out of Notre Dame. I want to go back
1:39:23
Speaker 1: to growing up. We heard from the show before me today.
1:39:26
Speaker 1: Greg Bell, he's a Seahawk beat writer for one of
1:39:28
Speaker 1: the local papers and news tributing He was talking to
1:39:30
Speaker 1: your high school coach from I think it was from
1:39:33
Speaker 1: your last year. He only coached the one year. He
1:39:35
Speaker 1: said he got handed an escalade for his first year
1:39:37
Speaker 1: coaching there in Dennison. But he talked about what you
1:39:41
Speaker 1: listen for people that know the story of your mother.
1:39:43
Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with breast cancer in twenty sixteen and
1:39:46
Speaker 1: went through chemotherapy of two younger sisters and and you
1:39:49
Speaker 1: kind of became the head of the household. You took
1:39:51
Speaker 1: control of everything at a very young age. And he said,
1:39:54
Speaker 1: you never complained about it. You never asked for anything special.
1:39:56
Speaker 1: You just you went about your business. I'll ask you this,
1:40:00
Speaker 1: your mom and your sisters, and what does your mom
1:40:03
Speaker 1: mean to you? Because she obviously instilled something in you
1:40:05
Speaker 1: that's that's different. It's different level and taking care of
1:40:08
Speaker 1: her is one thing, but just the fact that you
1:40:10
Speaker 1: took it upon yourself to do that. So what does
1:40:12
Speaker 1: she mean to you? And what did last night mean
1:40:15
Speaker 1: to her? From you as well?
1:40:19
Speaker 8: Yeah, she means everything to me, And I think the
1:40:21
Speaker 8: ultimate thing is watching her go through breast cancer and
1:40:25
Speaker 8: overcome that. It really made me feel like nothing that
1:40:28
Speaker 8: came at me adversity wise, was gonna defeat me.
1:40:34
Speaker 6: And she can go through something.
1:40:35
Speaker 8: Like that life threatening, then I can go through anything,
1:40:38
Speaker 8: you know, whether it's an injury or a little setback
1:40:41
Speaker 8: or a miss simon, if almost anything, there's always a
1:40:45
Speaker 8: way to get over it and just think it back
1:40:48
Speaker 8: to my mom and using that as motivation, like it
1:40:50
Speaker 8: could always be worse, and just the fact that I'm
1:40:53
Speaker 8: in this position that I am now to you know,
1:40:55
Speaker 8: change other people's lives. I'm going to do everything in
1:40:58
Speaker 8: my ability to be the best can out there on
1:41:00
Speaker 8: the field.
1:41:02
Speaker 1: You can also change her life automatically as a first
1:41:05
Speaker 1: round draft pick in the NFL. I know, you know that.
1:41:07
Speaker 1: Uh what about your sister? What about your sisters? Because
1:41:10
Speaker 1: I assume that the four of you are pretty night
1:41:13
Speaker 1: close knit family.
1:41:15
Speaker 8: Yeah, my two younger sisters. You know, we're all pretty
1:41:19
Speaker 8: close in ags, so we'll fuss in the.
1:41:21
Speaker 6: Fight growing up.
1:41:22
Speaker 8: But uh, you know, as we've matured on and and
1:41:25
Speaker 8: you know, thankfully, you know, hopefully I was a role
1:41:28
Speaker 8: model to them and they tell me every day how
1:41:31
Speaker 8: proud they are of me, and I like to give
1:41:33
Speaker 8: them some messages that I get.
1:41:34
Speaker 6: From my coaches.
1:41:35
Speaker 8: And that's just the type of person I am. I
1:41:37
Speaker 8: like to use those those football and t meeting messages
1:41:40
Speaker 8: just to lay them onto them and you know, just
1:41:43
Speaker 8: life is hard, and but if you just keep finding
1:41:45
Speaker 8: your wives and the reasons for living and keep your
1:41:48
Speaker 8: purpose in God and everything and be all right. And
1:41:51
Speaker 8: they remind me all the time.
1:41:52
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's wonderful. Jadari and Price with this and
1:41:57
Speaker 2: JDI and those experiences, you know, they prairie for the challenges.
1:42:01
Speaker 2: One of the challenges you're going to have. In the
1:42:03
Speaker 2: eyes of the Seahawk fans here the twelves is they're
1:42:06
Speaker 2: looking at you say, Okay, he was the backup to
1:42:08
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love in college. But now as you know, Kenneth
1:42:13
Speaker 2: Walker as a chief the Super Bowl MVP, and you've
1:42:17
Speaker 2: got zach Sharbonnat he's hurt for half the year. You
1:42:22
Speaker 2: go from running back number two in college to running
1:42:26
Speaker 2: back number one for the Super Bowl champions. Is that
1:42:31
Speaker 2: a thought that's kind of hit you. I know you're
1:42:34
Speaker 2: ready for the challenge, but just kind of tell us
1:42:37
Speaker 2: what your mindset is to be able to graduate that
1:42:40
Speaker 2: step in that challenge.
1:42:43
Speaker 8: Well, my mindset, personally, it's just a nickel be ready
1:42:47
Speaker 8: for anything and go into the locker room and compete
1:42:51
Speaker 8: like I'm an undrafted free agent. You know, that's my mindset,
1:42:54
Speaker 8: always have a chip on my shoulder. I didn't even
1:42:57
Speaker 8: see myself going first round, and I did it, And
1:43:01
Speaker 8: that just goes showed all the hard work I put
1:43:03
Speaker 8: in and the production that I showed on the field
1:43:05
Speaker 8: the past three years.
1:43:07
Speaker 6: And it's only going to get even better.
1:43:08
Speaker 8: I can feel myself getting better, my bodies.
1:43:10
Speaker 6: I'm healthy.
1:43:11
Speaker 8: I understand my body more now and and my habits
1:43:13
Speaker 8: are getting better. So I'm prepared to be you know,
1:43:18
Speaker 8: bad if I need to, and returning specially if I
1:43:21
Speaker 8: need to. But I just want to be out there
1:43:23
Speaker 8: on the field and play football again.
1:43:26
Speaker 1: We you talked about adversity a second ago, and and
1:43:28
Speaker 1: you have a former teammate that had to go through
1:43:30
Speaker 1: that last year. He was drafted Riley Mills by Seattle.
1:43:33
Speaker 1: He's a Day three pick, and I remember Seattle talking
1:43:35
Speaker 1: about him and McDonald and Schneider came in here, remember you,
1:43:38
Speaker 1: and they talked about, hey, he's coming off any injury.
1:43:41
Speaker 1: We're willing to wake because we think this guy is special.
1:43:44
Speaker 1: Lo and behold he I don't know. I've got a
1:43:45
Speaker 1: sack in the Super Bowl.
1:43:46
Speaker 10: That worked.
1:43:47
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, worth that was worth the Wait what
1:43:49
Speaker 1: have I Have you talked to Riley much at all?
1:43:52
Speaker 1: And what has he told you about coming out here?
1:43:56
Speaker 8: I haven't much, but I was definitely tuned in the
1:44:00
Speaker 8: then a former teammate, former teammate, former cat do what
1:44:04
Speaker 8: he did?
1:44:04
Speaker 6: You know? It was it was unbelievable.
1:44:06
Speaker 8: It was, you know, emotional moment, but proud of him
1:44:10
Speaker 8: and I can't wait to be teammates with him again.
1:44:12
Speaker 1: I got a bit, I got a piggyback on this.
1:44:14
Speaker 1: This he's a well spoken man. Let's let's ask you
1:44:16
Speaker 1: as an analyst. We only saw a glimpse of Riley Mills.
1:44:18
Speaker 1: What what are we going to see next year from
1:44:20
Speaker 1: him when he's healthy? Oh?
1:44:24
Speaker 6: Man, that.
1:44:26
Speaker 8: One of the strongest and fermous guys I've ever I mean,
1:44:29
Speaker 8: the amount of times.
1:44:29
Speaker 6: That dude caught me with one arm.
1:44:33
Speaker 8: Going through a gap and practice in fall camp, it's
1:44:37
Speaker 8: it's it gives me nightmares. But no, he's a he's
1:44:41
Speaker 8: a great player and I can't wait to see him
1:44:43
Speaker 8: back healthy.
1:44:44
Speaker 2: Yeah that's great. Well, we're gonna continuing your role as
1:44:48
Speaker 2: an analyst. Okay, I want you to analyze yourself, jar
1:44:53
Speaker 2: and so, so the question would be this, you got
1:44:55
Speaker 2: to answer. It's in two parts. You got to say,
1:44:58
Speaker 2: we're gonna give you permission to go third person. Jedarion
1:45:02
Speaker 2: Price is a first rounder because his best skill is
1:45:08
Speaker 2: blank and then uh comma. But Jadarion Price most in
1:45:13
Speaker 2: the needs to work in his game on this aspect.
1:45:16
Speaker 2: So you get you get two shots out that. I
1:45:18
Speaker 2: know you're Notre Dame and educated and smart, so you
1:45:20
Speaker 2: can handle a two parter. But go ahead and be
1:45:23
Speaker 2: an analyst and fill in those questions.
1:45:27
Speaker 8: Yeah, Jadarion Price is a fresh round running back because
1:45:33
Speaker 8: of his ability to make plays on the field and
1:45:36
Speaker 8: whether it's offense or special teams.
1:45:38
Speaker 6: And he's a home run hit or he's got home
1:45:40
Speaker 6: run speed.
1:45:41
Speaker 8: He knows how to get to the second level and
1:45:42
Speaker 8: make guys miss. Almost every time he gets the ball,
1:45:45
Speaker 8: he makes someone missed. And his teammate Ermi Love is
1:45:48
Speaker 8: a phenomenal player, but Price being able to do what
1:45:51
Speaker 8: he did on that level with with that caliber of
1:45:54
Speaker 8: a players is uh as special and Jadaron Price is
1:45:59
Speaker 8: going to do special things in the NFL when he
1:46:02
Speaker 8: gets the opportunity.
1:46:03
Speaker 10: What do you need to work on.
1:46:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's half you're halfway home. That was great, man.
1:46:10
Speaker 2: You just bought that stretch up the sideline for like
1:46:12
Speaker 2: forty yards. That was that was awesome. But now you
1:46:15
Speaker 2: got to cut back into the middle of the field.
1:46:16
Speaker 2: So what's what's what's the what's the Jaredarien Price has
1:46:20
Speaker 2: to work on? Go ahead and finish it up.
1:46:24
Speaker 6: Yeah.
1:46:24
Speaker 8: One thing that he needs to work on is just
1:46:27
Speaker 8: continue to be consistent in the past game pass protection,
1:46:31
Speaker 8: protecting quarterback. That's a huge thing, and he's done. He's
1:46:34
Speaker 8: showed great skill in doing that. He has plenty of
1:46:36
Speaker 8: film out there where he show a good fighting, good
1:46:39
Speaker 8: technique and he does it pretty well. But just consistently
1:46:43
Speaker 8: being able to protect the quarterback and being a reliable
1:46:45
Speaker 8: source out of the backfield.
1:46:47
Speaker 6: I love it.
1:46:48
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, this is a great conversation. Seahawk fans texting
1:46:52
Speaker 1: right now on our radio station, our sports station here,
1:46:54
Speaker 1: just loving you and excited to see you in a
1:46:56
Speaker 1: Seahawk uniform. We can't wait to see you out here
1:46:58
Speaker 1: at mini campany out here very soon in the next
1:47:00
Speaker 1: few days. And congratulations to you and mostly your family
1:47:04
Speaker 1: and specifically your mom on everything she's been through. And
1:47:08
Speaker 1: the long road, and she's got a first round draft
1:47:10
Speaker 1: pick as a son now and a lot to be
1:47:11
Speaker 1: proud of because you're a lot more than that, as
1:47:12
Speaker 1: we can know. So thank you so much for coming
1:47:14
Speaker 1: on today.
1:47:16
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, I can't wait. I appreciate Joe.
1:47:19
Speaker 1: That is Jadarian Price, the ceok's first round draft pick,
1:47:23
Speaker 1: thirty second overall. You know, on Friday when we had
1:47:26
Speaker 1: that on right at the end of the show, we
1:47:29
Speaker 1: he and I were talking to him and I thought
1:47:30
Speaker 1: it was an interesting dynamic. A lot of people were
1:47:32
Speaker 1: saying and I didn't get it at the time. Now
1:47:34
Speaker 1: he's very well spoken, very thoughtful with his responses. It
1:47:40
Speaker 1: didn't catch me at the time, but now I get it.
1:47:43
Speaker 1: There were a lot of people texting, going, God, he
1:47:45
Speaker 1: sounds like Doug Baldwin. He does like voice inflection, how
1:47:50
Speaker 1: he talks, what he says, very centered, person very yeah,
1:47:54
Speaker 1: all those things. There's a lot there's a very Doug
1:47:56
Speaker 1: Baldwin type feel to his response. And that's massively high praise. Yeah, Like,
1:48:02
Speaker 1: it really doesn't get any higher than that when you
1:48:04
Speaker 1: get compared to Doug Baldwin, not the player, but Doug
1:48:07
Speaker 1: Baldwin just in terms of how you carry yourself. Absolutely,
1:48:10
Speaker 1: you know, and Doug's on so many great things off
1:48:12
Speaker 1: the field as well. All Right, we'll take a break.
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Speaker 11: Guys, chip here, So let me get this straight. The
1:48:45
Speaker 11: NBA has once again delayed an announcement on expansion.
1:48:48
Speaker 10: Oh my god, color me shocked.
1:48:50
Speaker 11: If only there was some pattern of behavior before this
1:48:52
Speaker 11: that could have predicted such a scenario. I'm not saying
1:48:54
Speaker 11: you guys shouldn't be talking about it.
1:48:56
Speaker 10: D and I get it.
1:48:56
Speaker 11: It's I totally get while you're addressing it. I'm not
1:48:59
Speaker 11: saying it shouldn't a topic. I'm not even telling people
1:49:01
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1:49:03
Speaker 11: But holy hell, for me, who was a huge Sonics fan,
1:49:07
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Speaker 1: Okay, four two five. Along the lines, that talkback says, NBA,
1:49:36
Speaker 1: here we go again. Looks like twenty twenty nine now,
1:49:39
Speaker 1: so I'm done. Then the last the talk back there,
1:49:46
Speaker 1: do you guys agree with with that doomsday or not?
1:49:51
Speaker 4: I feel like it's a never ending carrot on a stick,
1:49:55
Speaker 4: So I just don't trust anything that they're saying.
1:49:59
Speaker 1: That's totally fair.
1:50:01
Speaker 3: I feel like it's hard for fans to really understand,
1:50:05
Speaker 3: like everything that else goes on behind the scenes a
1:50:08
Speaker 3: little bit, to really know that, you know, for people
1:50:13
Speaker 3: that are closer to this situation, that there isn't as
1:50:16
Speaker 3: much doom and gloom as the official announcement and then
1:50:20
Speaker 3: the reaction, you know what I mean. So I understand
1:50:23
Speaker 3: the feeling. I don't feel the same way. I still
1:50:26
Speaker 3: am pretty relatively like, Okay, let's let's get it going here.
1:50:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say all that all that really came
1:50:37
Speaker 1: out today is that we won't expect to hear something
1:50:40
Speaker 1: in July, right in terms of a vote, which was
1:50:44
Speaker 1: like kind of the target date probably best case scenario.
1:50:48
Speaker 1: Just if you, because we've been waiting for so long,
1:50:51
Speaker 1: be nice to and you know July would have been
1:50:54
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it would have been in a lot
1:50:55
Speaker 1: of ways, just kind of like, okay, announce it in July.
1:50:58
Speaker 1: We lost the team in July, teams coming back in
1:51:01
Speaker 1: two years, that will be twenty years from July. All
1:51:04
Speaker 1: those things it would have that would have been kind
1:51:05
Speaker 1: of a nice way to put a bull on it.
1:51:08
Speaker 1: The NBA doesn't think that way. They think, well, that's debatable.
1:51:14
Speaker 1: I do believe it's I just I really think this
1:51:17
Speaker 1: is more about Vegas than anything else. I think they're
1:51:20
Speaker 1: trying to buy Vegas more time to get their blank
1:51:22
Speaker 1: together because ideally you come in with thirty two and
1:51:25
Speaker 1: not thirty one. So I think that's what that is.
1:51:30
Speaker 1: The NHL, it's just the blueprints there. If it's if
1:51:34
Speaker 1: it's not done by it, it was successful, right. If
1:51:36
Speaker 1: Vegas doesn't work then then that's fine. Then come in
1:51:40
Speaker 1: with thirty one and give Vegas another year and a
1:51:42
Speaker 1: half and if that doesn't work, then you go to
1:51:44
Speaker 1: Nashville or wherever else you want to go instead of
1:51:46
Speaker 1: instead of Vegas. I don't think it's a huge deal.
1:51:51
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I wouldn't even call it
1:51:53
Speaker 1: a setback. I would just say it's just a little
1:51:55
Speaker 1: bit of a delay, a little bit of a delay.
1:51:57
Speaker 1: And even then that's maybe not really accurate to call
1:52:01
Speaker 1: it a delay. It might just be more of it.
1:52:05
Speaker 3: There's no timeline, right, it's a delay until hearing it officially,
1:52:09
Speaker 3: but it's not delaying of when it would actually happen.
1:52:11
Speaker 1: Right, because because here's the thing, it's it's not a
1:52:14
Speaker 1: there's no set in stone timeline other than they said
1:52:16
Speaker 1: they want to make a decision before the end of
1:52:18
Speaker 1: the year. Right, that's the one thing we know in
1:52:20
Speaker 1: terms of an actual decision. They want to have a
1:52:22
Speaker 1: decision done by the end of the year. Well, we're
1:52:26
Speaker 1: in month number.
1:52:28
Speaker 5: Four, almost the end of the month.
1:52:29
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, coming up on month five. Seven months to
1:52:34
Speaker 1: go before the end of the year. It's time, lots
1:52:36
Speaker 1: of time, but it needs I do believe it does
1:52:40
Speaker 1: need to be done.
1:52:41
Speaker 5: By September October at the latest.
1:52:45
Speaker 1: If you want the two year thing, I think maybe
1:52:46
Speaker 1: you could squeeze it in in December and say, okay,
1:52:49
Speaker 1: well you got you know, twenty one months to go
1:52:51
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's that's not even two calendar years
1:52:55
Speaker 1: until you have a draft, and until you have an
1:52:59
Speaker 1: expansion and draft. I think there's a big push. My
1:53:02
Speaker 1: understanding is there's a big push around the league that
1:53:04
Speaker 1: owners and gms around the league want to have at
1:53:07
Speaker 1: least two years to figure out what they're doing with
1:53:09
Speaker 1: their salary cap, what they're doing with their players, their roster,
1:53:12
Speaker 1: who's going to be available. This isn't like and this
1:53:14
Speaker 1: is not a slide on the PWHL, but it's not
1:53:18
Speaker 1: like the PWHL where now they'll have adding a couple
1:53:21
Speaker 1: more teams next year, right, And it's just it's not
1:53:25
Speaker 1: as intricate in terms of who you're drafting. The NHL
1:53:28
Speaker 1: expansion Draft was a lot to it. The NBA expansion
1:53:34
Speaker 1: Draft not as much because there's not as many players,
1:53:36
Speaker 1: but there's a lot too it in terms of salarycap.
1:53:38
Speaker 1: So I understand why there's a big pushback and they
1:53:41
Speaker 1: want to have two full years so July would have
1:53:44
Speaker 1: been really literally two full years before you had a
1:53:47
Speaker 1: draft and expansion, draft, free agency and all those things.
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1:53:57
Speaker 3: So I asked my one question and follow up would
1:53:59
Speaker 3: be what if Vegas doesn't get their point together, like
1:54:02
Speaker 3: what happens?
1:54:03
Speaker 5: Then it's a question, Like I said, there's there's two
1:54:07
Speaker 5: ways you go.
1:54:07
Speaker 1: There's two ways you go thirty one teams, the reversity,
1:54:11
Speaker 1: the NHL Seattle first, Vegas second, or they just put
1:54:15
Speaker 1: it all off because I don't believe they here's the thing,
1:54:20
Speaker 1: they don't need to be in a rush. They did
1:54:22
Speaker 1: not open the door for another city to make any
1:54:26
Speaker 1: kind of push like Vancouver or Nashville, what have you. Right,
1:54:30
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's so to me, it's either it's
1:54:33
Speaker 1: either both one or none.
1:54:36
Speaker 5: It's not a different situation.
1:54:37
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, and I don't know what they're thinking.
1:54:39
Speaker 1: Somebody just texting two f three just a little delay
1:54:41
Speaker 1: dot thought. Seriously, I get it, man, I totally get it.
1:54:44
Speaker 1: It's I think I've almost become immune to it. Yeah,
1:54:50
Speaker 1: that's another two five three says that's because the words
1:54:53
Speaker 1: they're choosing to use, and they're obviously going out of
1:54:55
Speaker 1: their way to use them, doesn't suggest any way basketball
1:54:57
Speaker 1: team will be here anytime soon. Well, let's just I
1:55:01
Speaker 1: don't want to tell people to be patient. I don't know,
1:55:03
Speaker 1: we'll see.
1:55:03
Speaker 4: Now that word has kind of worn off. Yeah, you
1:55:07
Speaker 4: know when it comes to we're looking at twenty years, right.
1:55:10
Speaker 4: So No, I moved out here right after the Sonics left.
1:55:14
Speaker 1: It's it's been nice, way too long.
1:55:17
Speaker 4: I witnessed the hole that it left in the city,
1:55:19
Speaker 4: that it left on the downtown businesses I lived.
1:55:22
Speaker 3: Continued to leave, not left, continued, no, no, no.
1:55:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, it happened, and I I was, you know, blissfully
1:55:29
Speaker 4: unaware of that impact that it would have. And you know,
1:55:34
Speaker 4: the Seattle U basketball team was playing there at the
1:55:38
Speaker 4: at the time, so I saw what life it brought
1:55:41
Speaker 4: in small amounts compared to the NBA, but I you know,
1:55:45
Speaker 4: I was blocks away from what was Kirina.
1:55:48
Speaker 1: A lot of people texting a lot of negative thoughts,
1:55:50
Speaker 1: and I get it.
1:55:51
Speaker 6: I it's it's.
1:55:52
Speaker 5: Not a positive development.
1:55:53
Speaker 1: We can't No, it's not I mean, it would be nice,
1:55:55
Speaker 1: say hey, we were hoping to having a vote joint.
1:55:57
Speaker 1: If they would have said today, we're hoping to have
1:55:58
Speaker 1: a vote vigil to me, that would have been more
1:56:01
Speaker 1: significant than what was happened, would happened a month ago, yeah,
1:56:04
Speaker 1: because we'd be like, Okay, this is gonna happen in July. Yeah, now,
1:56:07
Speaker 1: maybe it will happen in the fall. Okay, let's see
1:56:11
Speaker 1: two five three. I do not believe the Seahawks trade
1:56:13
Speaker 1: out of the fourth round and next year is a
1:56:15
Speaker 1: very good draft to pick a guard that will not start. Now,
1:56:18
Speaker 1: it's a good point they did. It was a weird
1:56:22
Speaker 1: trade when it happened, because we're all like, okay, this
1:56:25
Speaker 1: is Everyone has different draft value charts and all those things,
1:56:28
Speaker 1: and they probably vary by year by the depth of
1:56:32
Speaker 1: the draft. But when the Seahawks traded to get bo
1:56:35
Speaker 1: Stevens in the fifth round and in what they I mean,
1:56:39
Speaker 1: so they traded a twenty twenty seven fourth round pick
1:56:42
Speaker 1: to Cleveland for the fifth round pick this year, that
1:56:44
Speaker 1: was straight up yeah, that doesn't make sense on the
1:56:47
Speaker 1: charts necessarily. Now you'll have extra fourth round picks next
1:56:50
Speaker 1: year's compensatory picks for losing the free agency did this year,
1:56:55
Speaker 1: but it didn't seem to make sense. And yeah, they
1:56:57
Speaker 1: maybe Boa Stevens did they act them to start. I
1:57:01
Speaker 1: think they expect him, if nothing else, to compete for
1:57:04
Speaker 1: that right guard position and provide, really, to be honest
1:57:07
Speaker 1: with you, so much need to death at the two
1:57:09
Speaker 1: guard positions.
1:57:09
Speaker 3: Between Zabel and brad Well and Rob mentioned this. I
1:57:12
Speaker 3: think it was on Friday that while you look at
1:57:15
Speaker 3: the strength of the draft and it's just the consensus
1:57:17
Speaker 3: is that next year's draft is much stronger. That's why
1:57:19
Speaker 3: the Seahawks have many more picks. But the Seahawks right
1:57:22
Speaker 3: now are looking to compete, right They just want a
1:57:24
Speaker 3: Super Bowl. They're trying to go back to back. It's
1:57:26
Speaker 3: the timing of everything too. You can kind of, you know,
1:57:29
Speaker 3: I don't say mortgage, but give up a little bit
1:57:32
Speaker 3: of what you have next year to get something now
1:57:35
Speaker 3: and try and go back to back, because you you
1:57:37
Speaker 3: can't just bet everything on one draft.
1:57:38
Speaker 1: Well, right, and and Rob brought this up to like
1:57:41
Speaker 1: and so did Hugh. Like the way the roster is constructed,
1:57:45
Speaker 1: you weren't going to use all those picks next season.
1:57:48
Speaker 1: Those guys all weren't going to make the team exactly,
1:57:50
Speaker 1: and you, Yeah, so those guys all weren't going to
1:57:54
Speaker 1: make the team, so you you move, And I think
1:57:56
Speaker 1: what the key is is you're not just making a
1:57:58
Speaker 1: trade to make a trade with the Texter said is
1:58:00
Speaker 1: one hundred percent truy. They all of a sudden, there's
1:58:02
Speaker 1: a guy on their board that they had ranked I
1:58:06
Speaker 1: think Greg said third or fourth round, and he's sitting
1:58:09
Speaker 1: there in the in the middle of the fifth round
1:58:11
Speaker 1: still and the second you think you can get them,
1:58:13
Speaker 1: you make that move.
1:58:15
Speaker 5: I thought it was great.
1:58:15
Speaker 4: It actually showed me the confidence he has the biggest
1:58:18
Speaker 4: glaring holes, I think to everybody who was running back
1:58:21
Speaker 4: cornerback when it came to this draft. So when they
1:58:24
Speaker 4: traded up, you know, fourth round next year for a
1:58:28
Speaker 4: fifth round this year, I think it's a no brainer
1:58:31
Speaker 4: for both teams, to be honest. And I loved it
1:58:35
Speaker 4: because it showed me the confidence in the base that
1:58:37
Speaker 4: they have.
1:58:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, they knew they needed some offensive line depth. They'd
1:58:41
Speaker 1: already got the dbs, they got the running back, the
1:58:44
Speaker 1: edge rusher, whoever that might be for them wasn't there.
1:58:46
Speaker 1: And they went, you know, I here's the thing we
1:58:49
Speaker 1: all just don't ever try to predict John Schneider in
1:58:52
Speaker 1: the draft. Don't ever try to criticize. You can criticize
1:58:55
Speaker 1: John Schneider in the draft, but you better you sure
1:58:57
Speaker 1: as hell better. Wait a couple of years, I was
1:58:59
Speaker 1: just wait, wait until Malik McDowell decides never going to
1:59:05
Speaker 1: play a snap in the NFL. Wait till that happens.
1:59:07
Speaker 1: Wait till Kristin Michael doesn't turn out to be much
1:59:10
Speaker 1: of anything, Like wait till Travis Kelson. Yeah, wait, wait
1:59:13
Speaker 1: until that happens. And then I mean, I don't know,
1:59:16
Speaker 1: this would be such a massively deep dive. It would
1:59:18
Speaker 1: be impossible to do, and someone really have to want
1:59:20
Speaker 1: to do it. But like, think about this, if you
1:59:24
Speaker 1: just kind of went back over the and Schneider, I
1:59:26
Speaker 1: think is the longest tenured true GM in the league
1:59:30
Speaker 1: right now, right it's seventeen years. It's good question you
1:59:33
Speaker 1: go back and just compare what he's done to what
1:59:37
Speaker 1: others have done. It's just probably not even close. The
1:59:39
Speaker 1: guy he's constructed two Super Bowl championship teams from scratch.
1:59:44
Speaker 1: That just doesn't happen. Two different quarterbacks, two different head coaches,
1:59:49
Speaker 1: two different coaching staffs. Is the fourth two different running.
1:59:52
Speaker 1: Who are the guys ahead of them?
1:59:54
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones, I kind of count him, but yes, Mike
1:59:57
Speaker 3: Brown Cincinnati, Okay, lois.
2:00:00
Speaker 5: In New Orleans, and then Nicky Lewis been in that
2:00:02
Speaker 5: long two thousand and two.
2:00:04
Speaker 1: Wow? And who else?
2:00:05
Speaker 5: John Schneider fourth, Wow?
2:00:08
Speaker 1: How long Cincinnati game is that?
2:00:10
Speaker 6: Brown?
2:00:10
Speaker 5: Yeah, nineteen ninety one.
2:00:13
Speaker 1: Oh well, there's ownership involved there, I think too.
2:00:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's probably a little crossover similar to Jay Jones.
2:00:17
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:00:17
Speaker 10: Yeah.
2:00:17
Speaker 4: My favorite thing about John Schneider I had run Wolf
2:00:20
Speaker 4: on the air way back when when John Schneider got hired,
2:00:23
Speaker 4: and he told me the story about him being like
2:00:26
Speaker 4: thirteen years old riding his bike up to the Packers facility,
2:00:29
Speaker 4: and I just like, this is who we're getting.
2:00:33
Speaker 5: And then you know, John, we.
2:00:34
Speaker 4: See him, we you know he's he's a friend, he's
2:00:38
Speaker 4: a cool guy and he's so smart.
2:00:40
Speaker 1: At the same time, he's about the most normal guy
2:00:42
Speaker 1: that's is high up in sports.
2:00:43
Speaker 5: I would position there is. Yes, he's he's about as
2:00:47
Speaker 5: normal as a game.
2:00:48
Speaker 4: But that's how driven he was to be in the industry.
2:00:51
Speaker 4: He probably knew he wasn't going to play football. He
2:00:53
Speaker 4: wanted to be a part of it.
2:00:54
Speaker 1: Oh, exactly all right, we'll take a break. Dave Softy
2:00:58
Speaker 1: Mallor is here. Ladies and gentlemen. I know you're excited
2:01:01
Speaker 1: he'll join us next. I forgot to mention in the
2:01:15
Speaker 1: headlines cam makers released. I know, big news, big news
2:01:18
Speaker 1: here in Seattle. Damn, it's those your favorite cam makers.
2:01:22
Speaker 1: Favorite cam maker's moment as a ram or a sea Yeah,
2:01:25
Speaker 1: really it's a seahawk. I have no idea he didn't
2:01:27
Speaker 1: have one carry.
2:01:28
Speaker 12: So my favorite cam aker's moment was when there was
2:01:33
Speaker 12: a chance that maybe he would get some playing time,
2:01:36
Speaker 12: before they draft the Jadarim Price and before they signed Emanuel.
2:01:40
Speaker 5: Wilson, when he was a part of the running back room.
2:01:43
Speaker 1: Yes, and thankfully, thankfully that won't be an issue along
2:01:47
Speaker 1: the way.
2:01:47
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I don't know. How do you feel now?
2:01:49
Speaker 12: How do you feel now on a Monday morning about
2:01:51
Speaker 12: that running back round?
2:01:52
Speaker 4: Well?
2:01:52
Speaker 1: I feel a lot better.
2:01:53
Speaker 2: Good.
2:01:53
Speaker 1: I think I heard somebody was we were talking. The
2:01:56
Speaker 1: running back room was bottom third in the league beforehand?
2:01:59
Speaker 1: What is it now?
2:02:00
Speaker 12: I would say it was like bottom eighth in the NFL,
2:02:02
Speaker 12: bottom tenth in the NFL.
2:02:03
Speaker 1: Okay, so what is it now?
2:02:05
Speaker 12: You know, mediocre? Potentially put it right there in the middle, right,
2:02:09
Speaker 12: you know, I mean, you got a guy this look
2:02:12
Speaker 12: by all accounts, you got a guy who, by NFL
2:02:14
Speaker 12: draft standards, is the second best running back in the draft,
2:02:17
Speaker 12: behind his teammate Jeremiah Love. And we got some stats,
2:02:19
Speaker 12: some numbers, We got some Dwayne's stats. Remember remember Dwayne's
2:02:24
Speaker 12: stats used to be played by play with Reggie Jackson
2:02:27
Speaker 12: ESPN in baseball. They'll ever tell you my favorite Reggie
2:02:30
Speaker 12: Jackson story away, I never told me about what his
2:02:32
Speaker 12: favorite Reggie. So, back in the day, we used to
2:02:35
Speaker 12: have that set up behind home plate at the Kingdome.
2:02:38
Speaker 12: Right there was that area behind the home plate with
2:02:40
Speaker 12: the glass or whatever. I don't know if people really
2:02:44
Speaker 12: realized that there was an actual like room back there.
2:02:47
Speaker 12: And I don't know who sat there, the guy with
2:02:48
Speaker 12: a jugs gun or whatever, blah blah blah. So we
2:02:52
Speaker 12: used to have a setup back there. It was a
2:02:54
Speaker 12: door that would open up and we'd go in there
2:02:56
Speaker 12: and we had a we call it a dry pair,
2:02:58
Speaker 12: and he'd run back to the studio.
2:03:00
Speaker 5: And it was always hot to do interviews, right, and
2:03:02
Speaker 5: I would just you.
2:03:03
Speaker 12: Know, go grab somebody and put them on the air
2:03:05
Speaker 12: with Mike Gastono or graz Or whoever was doing the interview.
2:03:08
Speaker 12: And I remember one day, somehow someway we had Dwayne
2:03:11
Speaker 12: Stats and Reggie Jackson on the air together. They were
2:03:15
Speaker 12: in town doing an ESPN national broadcast of a Mariner game.
2:03:18
Speaker 5: I think it was ESPN. It may have been a
2:03:19
Speaker 5: different network, but whatever, not relevant.
2:03:22
Speaker 12: And so during the interview, Reggie just decides, you know what,
2:03:26
Speaker 12: I don't want to do this anymore, just put his
2:03:29
Speaker 12: headphones down, walked away mid question. Just done, just done,
2:03:34
Speaker 12: I'm just done. No nothing, guys. I think Gas was
2:03:36
Speaker 12: in the middle of asking a question and Reggie is like,
2:03:39
Speaker 12: and I want to just say, I'm gonna go. Just
2:03:42
Speaker 12: put its headphones you walked away. I think I had
2:03:45
Speaker 12: to grab the headphones.
2:03:46
Speaker 5: And say bike he thought here anymore? He left, Okay,
2:03:51
Speaker 5: then well we'll just move on.
2:03:52
Speaker 9: I don't know.
2:03:53
Speaker 12: It was something along those lines, but it's funny how
2:03:56
Speaker 12: just little moments like that you remember. I think when
2:04:00
Speaker 12: you have ad D you pretty much remember what you
2:04:03
Speaker 12: want to remember, remember what you were engaged in, and
2:04:06
Speaker 12: when you're not engaged in a lot of stuff, you
2:04:08
Speaker 12: don't remember a lot of stuff. I think that's kind
2:04:10
Speaker 12: of how it goes.
2:04:11
Speaker 1: Was that where you were going to bring Griffy back
2:04:13
Speaker 1: with the dry pairlin, but when he was McGuire, McGuire, well,
2:04:16
Speaker 1: what was the griff you want?
2:04:17
Speaker 12: Griffy was when I was bringing McGuire back and he
2:04:19
Speaker 12: ruined the whole interview for me because he said, he said,
2:04:22
Speaker 12: don't go for people that don't know this is a
2:04:25
Speaker 12: great start. So I grew up a big Mark McGuire fan. Gigantic.
2:04:29
Speaker 12: I was fourteen years old in eighty seven when he
2:04:32
Speaker 12: had thirty three home runs at the All Star Break
2:04:34
Speaker 12: and he was the Rookie of the Year. And that
2:04:36
Speaker 12: was right back when baseball cards were like really like
2:04:39
Speaker 12: just taking off again, going going bananas. The eighty seven
2:04:43
Speaker 12: top set, you know, his rookie card was in that
2:04:45
Speaker 12: people were buying packs of tops baseball cards just to
2:04:49
Speaker 12: get McGuire's rookie And then we found out well, actually
2:04:52
Speaker 12: he had an Olympic rookie card that came out in
2:04:55
Speaker 12: eighty five that was worth more money. But whatever, beside
2:04:58
Speaker 12: the point, I digress. The point is I was a
2:05:01
Speaker 12: huge McGuire fan. So when I got this job in
2:05:04
Speaker 12: ninety four and started working here. One of my goals
2:05:08
Speaker 12: was to meet Mark McGuire. Schmuck, I want to interview
2:05:15
Speaker 12: Mark McGuire. So the Cardinals came to town for I
2:05:18
Speaker 12: think it was either a one or a two game
2:05:20
Speaker 12: exhibition series at Safego Field before the season started.
2:05:25
Speaker 1: Okay, and he was right.
2:05:27
Speaker 12: He was in town and I grabbed him for an interview.
2:05:30
Speaker 12: He couldn't have been nicer. I mean, honestly, like I
2:05:32
Speaker 12: had my old Moran's tape deck. The thing broke halfway
2:05:35
Speaker 12: through the interview. I went back and I asked him, Hey,
2:05:37
Speaker 12: can we finish this? And he says, no problem, So
2:05:40
Speaker 12: we finished the interview, which a lot of guys would say,
2:05:42
Speaker 12: go f yourself.
2:05:43
Speaker 5: He didn't do that.
2:05:44
Speaker 12: So bottom line is, before that happened, he was with
2:05:47
Speaker 12: the A's. Obviously they're in town at the Kingdom. I
2:05:50
Speaker 12: go to McGuire. I introduced myself. There was a personal
2:05:54
Speaker 12: connection like his aunt had worked with my dad in
2:05:57
Speaker 12: Seattle or whatever. So I dropped that line on him,
2:06:00
Speaker 12: and you know, eventually he agrees to come on the
2:06:02
Speaker 12: ear and he's walking over from then the first base
2:06:05
Speaker 12: dugout to our little spot. Griffy sees them intercepts him
2:06:10
Speaker 12: and says, oh, you don't want to do that, man,
2:06:13
Speaker 12: you don't want to go on with those guys. He'll
2:06:16
Speaker 12: put you on with collars and rip you and all
2:06:18
Speaker 12: kinds of stuff. Just completely full of it, right and
2:06:21
Speaker 12: so big Mac not kind of I guess understanding how
2:06:24
Speaker 12: big a deal it was to us, Like, well, if
2:06:26
Speaker 12: the kid says I shouldn't do it, I'm not doing it.
2:06:28
Speaker 12: Turned around, walked away. So I got nose to nose,
2:06:32
Speaker 12: face to face with like the reigning American League MVP,
2:06:36
Speaker 12: yelling at him, bitching at him. He's bitching at me,
2:06:40
Speaker 12: and it was nasty. I mean, I'm twenty four, twenty
2:06:44
Speaker 12: five years old.
2:06:45
Speaker 4: How old was he?
2:06:46
Speaker 12: Oh god, he was in his late twenties. He's almost
2:06:48
Speaker 12: the same age as me, mid to late twenties. And
2:06:51
Speaker 12: he's ripping me a new one, Like what am I
2:06:53
Speaker 12: supposed to do? I mean, I'm just I've been in
2:06:55
Speaker 12: the business for a couple of years and he's a
2:06:58
Speaker 12: americanly MVP ripping me in.
2:07:00
Speaker 2: You want.
2:07:01
Speaker 12: Because I questioned him, questioned him, you know, and we
2:07:05
Speaker 12: we we kind of made up. I mean, it's fine,
2:07:07
Speaker 12: I'm not He still is my favorite player of all time.
2:07:10
Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
2:07:10
Speaker 5: I love the guy. He's sensitive, Yeah he is.
2:07:12
Speaker 12: Well I was too, right, But anyway, the point is
2:07:14
Speaker 12: I was pissed at him for blowing the interview up,
2:07:17
Speaker 12: putting the kaibosh on it. He didn't like me calling
2:07:20
Speaker 12: him out, and that led to this big to do.
2:07:22
Speaker 12: So imagine seeing that now on social media, because.
2:07:25
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me?
2:07:25
Speaker 1: Because back then it would have flown on the radar
2:07:27
Speaker 1: exactly then, like there have been ten people in the
2:07:29
Speaker 1: dugout with their filming going.
2:07:31
Speaker 5: The only reason people know about it is because I
2:07:33
Speaker 5: tell the story.
2:07:34
Speaker 12: I mean, there were no there's no social media, there
2:07:36
Speaker 12: were no video cameras back down on people's phones.
2:07:39
Speaker 5: Amazing.
2:07:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, today, Yeah, there would have been Dimmish would
2:07:43
Speaker 1: have posted out a bjay. You know, it would have
2:07:44
Speaker 1: been gigantic with this. I can't believe that, believe them.
2:07:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, but now with the age of fifty two,
2:07:49
Speaker 5: if that happened, I tell the guy to go screw himself,
2:07:52
Speaker 5: you know whatever. So anyway, I don't know how we
2:07:54
Speaker 5: got on that time, but here we are.
2:07:56
Speaker 1: Here we are story. He was starting with Reggie the
2:07:59
Speaker 1: Monday after the Dreams with or anything. Well, I mean
2:08:02
Speaker 1: I thought you. I saw a little tweet from the
2:08:04
Speaker 1: folks at King five. You said, don't ever try to
2:08:07
Speaker 1: doubt John.
2:08:08
Speaker 6: That's right.
2:08:08
Speaker 12: Why would you be four bastard that now decides to
2:08:12
Speaker 12: go after John Schneider and say, because you notice now,
2:08:16
Speaker 12: like everybody just oh, the Seahawks draft A plus.
2:08:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, they draft I don't know, but it's an A plus.
2:08:21
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter the guy was great.
2:08:24
Speaker 1: It's John.
2:08:26
Speaker 12: So well turning four picks into eight, you know, without
2:08:28
Speaker 12: having to dip in the next year's draft.
2:08:29
Speaker 1: Capital, right, turning four picks without you without trading out
2:08:32
Speaker 1: of the first round.
2:08:33
Speaker 2: That's right.
2:08:33
Speaker 1: That's the remarkable thing. The second round or the second,
2:08:36
Speaker 1: or the second.
2:08:37
Speaker 5: Or the third or the third round they kept there.
2:08:39
Speaker 12: They turned a fourth round or sixth round is a
2:08:43
Speaker 12: fourth or sixth round, the four fourth round draft pick
2:08:46
Speaker 12: because they had the fourth round next year, fourth next
2:08:49
Speaker 12: year next right then, But then they took the other
2:08:51
Speaker 12: pick and they turned that into five extra picks.
2:08:54
Speaker 1: It's crazy, nuts, It's yeah, don't trying to a trying
2:08:58
Speaker 1: to predict what I I mean, we're all fools trying
2:09:00
Speaker 1: to predict what he's well. They don't draft out, they'll
2:09:02
Speaker 1: trade out of thirty two.
2:09:03
Speaker 12: They're just doing with four picks to Darian Price was
2:09:05
Speaker 12: pretty I mean, that obviously had happened, so it's easy
2:09:09
Speaker 12: now to say it, but it felt like a pretty
2:09:11
Speaker 12: easy call. Kind of fell in your Your running back
2:09:14
Speaker 12: room is a disaster. He's the best guy available. It
2:09:17
Speaker 12: might be a little bit of a reach, but not
2:09:19
Speaker 12: a crazy reach. Just go get it again, I'm gonna
2:09:22
Speaker 12: be don't overthink it. I think because of what we
2:09:24
Speaker 12: saw with the running back, the next running back didn't
2:09:26
Speaker 12: go forever, right, it was like a long time before this,
2:09:30
Speaker 12: When was the last time the top two running backs
2:09:33
Speaker 12: in a draft were taken from the same school.
2:09:35
Speaker 1: It's never happened, and both in the first round never happened, right, Well,
2:09:38
Speaker 1: I don't know unless Craig James and Dickerson maybe from SMU,
2:09:43
Speaker 1: that's right, SMU. Well, the thing the NFL, the NFL
2:09:46
Speaker 1: is in a thing out on Friday. It's I think
2:09:48
Speaker 1: the first time ever that to two running backs. What
2:09:52
Speaker 1: was the sort of two running backs first round? Never happened?
2:09:54
Speaker 1: Two running backs in the same draft, for the first
2:09:56
Speaker 1: running backs from the same school in the first round.
2:09:59
Speaker 12: It's like it's never but those were the first two
2:10:01
Speaker 12: geyst taken and then the gap between him and the
2:10:04
Speaker 12: second guy or the thirty yight sorry, pretty big, yeah significant,
2:10:06
Speaker 12: Well live at Live at five because Kruger's on at four. Okay,
2:10:12
Speaker 12: so we're we're switching him live at Fiveylin's live at five,
2:10:16
Speaker 12: and Krueger is going to be giving us uh more
2:10:19
Speaker 12: at four today on the radio show, I'm talking baseball
2:10:22
Speaker 12: before the MS and twins, and we'll obviously talk a
2:10:25
Speaker 12: lot of draft today. So Mike Denbrock, a good friend
2:10:28
Speaker 12: of ours, uh, formerly of the Tyrone Willingham led Husky
2:10:32
Speaker 12: twenty eighteen. We try and kind of ignore that, try
2:10:35
Speaker 12: not to bring out it wasn't Mike's fault. He is
2:10:37
Speaker 12: the current offensive coordinator at Notre Dame and he'll join
2:10:39
Speaker 12: us at three twenty on.
2:10:40
Speaker 1: The radio gone on the Bigger and Better Things.
2:10:41
Speaker 5: That's right, Sonny Diykes.
2:10:42
Speaker 12: By the way, tomorrow on the show, to the head
2:10:44
Speaker 12: coach at TCU, Wow, talk about Bud Clark.
2:10:47
Speaker 1: Bud Clark, look at Jackson doing world, Look at Jackson
2:10:50
Speaker 1: doing work. Huh, phenomenal job by Jackson, boy Jackson. Well, well,
2:10:54
Speaker 1: letting go Jackson let me go, Jackson, all right, see
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Speaker 1: This is paddle Day, saying so long everyone