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- 0:07Speaker 1: Welcome back to the District Territory Podcast and happy All
- 0:10Speaker 1: Star Week to all of our listeners. I'm Eric Shellhouse
- 0:13Speaker 1: from the Bat Boys and joining me today Spencer Nusbaum
- 0:15Speaker 1: of The Athletic. It was not an incredible series for
- 0:18Speaker 1: the Nationals. They tried something new on Sunday Andrew Alvarez
- 0:21Speaker 1: came out of the bullpen, but it was not successful.
- 0:24Speaker 1: The Nationals held elite in all three of these games
- 0:27Speaker 1: into the seventh inning or later, but Ben Rice was
- 0:30Speaker 1: the one who delivered the go ahead triple in yesterday's game.
- 0:34Speaker 1: Dylan Cruz did a great job tracking it. You can't
- 0:36Speaker 1: really see it on the play there, but really quickly
- 0:39Speaker 1: your thoughts, Spencer on the entire series. The entire just
- 0:45Speaker 1: a disaster for the Nationals all around, reminiscent of the
- 0:48Speaker 1: Philly Series. But what you see at the ballpark over
- 0:50Speaker 1: the course of the weekend.
- 0:53Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, right where you come out of Game
- 0:56Speaker 2: one and you say, man, why is Blake leaning so
- 0:59Speaker 2: heavily on platoon matchups even though that's something I've you know,
- 1:02Speaker 2: kind of defended for the large part of the season.
- 1:06Speaker 2: And then they he tries something new the next day
- 1:08Speaker 2: where he puts in his two best relievers in the
- 1:10Speaker 2: eighth inning. That doesn't work either, and so he tries
- 1:13Speaker 2: yet another new thing which he usually wouldn't be able
- 1:16Speaker 2: to do, and that's putting Andrew Elverarez in in the
- 1:19Speaker 2: ninth and that didn't work either. It really kind of
- 1:23Speaker 2: does go to show you that, you know, really, for
- 1:28Speaker 2: lack of better words, this this wasn't a bullpen that
- 1:31Speaker 2: was constructed to bring this team to October. We talked
- 1:36Speaker 2: to Paul Tabonie actually about this a little bit the
- 1:39Speaker 2: other day, and he had mentioned like his his making
- 1:44Speaker 2: during the off season, one which again I think I
- 1:46Speaker 2: would still defend given what the Nationals were supposed to be,
- 1:50Speaker 2: but has has kept him thinking a long time, just
- 1:54Speaker 2: in terms of the fact that he spent so much
- 1:57Speaker 2: on the behind the scenes stuff and you know, really
- 2:00Speaker 2: focused his big league payroll on starting pitching, where what's
- 2:06Speaker 2: often blown them games is relief pitching. I have a
- 2:10Speaker 2: lot of other thoughts on this, and I'll kind of
- 2:12Speaker 2: keep it concise here, but I'd say that the main
- 2:15Speaker 2: thing that I've kind of been looking at and that
- 2:17Speaker 2: we've talked about over the course of the season is
- 2:19Speaker 2: just the lack of stuff in this bullpen. We can
- 2:22Speaker 2: talk about experiences, we can talk about matchups all we want,
- 2:25Speaker 2: but if you look at on fan Grass and I'll
- 2:28Speaker 2: probably write about this, and if you look at stuff
- 2:31Speaker 2: plus metrics and just like how nasty the stuff is
- 2:34Speaker 2: that these guys are throwing, Like, go do yourself a favorite,
- 2:38Speaker 2: go to the Brewers, select Brewers, left stuff plus, and
- 2:41Speaker 2: it's all, you know, one hundred is league average. It's
- 2:44Speaker 2: like one thirty, one twenty. Almost every single person in
- 2:48Speaker 2: there is at least in ninety seven. If you go
- 2:51Speaker 2: over to the Nationals almost everyone is like below one hundred.
- 2:55Speaker 2: You have a handful of guys, even Clayton Beater, who's
- 2:57Speaker 2: had pretty good stuff, and you know last year had
- 3:00Speaker 2: really good stuff. Is that a ninety nine? So it's
- 3:04Speaker 2: hard to compete when you have a bullpen with that
- 3:06Speaker 2: sort of stuff. And I think, you know, you can
- 3:09Speaker 2: try to make all the tweaks you want and they'll
- 3:10Speaker 2: keep searching, but it's going to be really hard for
- 3:13Speaker 2: this bullpen to turn it around at some point this year.
- 3:17Speaker 1: Yeah, and everyone's saying, oh, the Nationals aren't trying to
- 3:20Speaker 1: do things that combat this. Oh, that's not the tweet.
- 3:23Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, that is the tweet. I was attempting
- 3:25Speaker 1: to bring up the Nationals designated Matt Crook for assignment
- 3:28Speaker 1: following Friday Night's loss, and you and me were both
- 3:31Speaker 1: in the clubhouse there. He took it off the chin,
- 3:33Speaker 1: an absolute professional. But the rotating carousel just continues for
- 3:37Speaker 1: this Nationals bullpen and for the fans. I don't want
- 3:40Speaker 1: to hear this whole Oh, we're not trying. Oh, we
- 3:42Speaker 1: just need someone to add to this bullpen. Paul to Pony,
- 3:46Speaker 1: Blakey Tira. They're working with what they've got right now,
- 3:49Speaker 1: and it just seems like nobody can have the stuff
- 3:52Speaker 1: down there in the bullpen. Like you said, the swing
- 3:54Speaker 1: and miss stuff is just seems to be what they're missing.
- 3:57Speaker 1: Is there anyone you think of at the deadline right
- 3:59Speaker 1: now coming up that you're like, man, this is someone
- 4:01Speaker 1: I want the Nationals to grab.
- 4:04Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. Honestly, the larger curiosity for
- 4:06Speaker 2: me at this point is whether it's worth doing that. Right, Like,
- 4:10Speaker 2: you find yourself one game under five hundred in a
- 4:13Speaker 2: loaded National league where the path to the postseason is
- 4:17Speaker 2: really really narrow, and I get they've been the best
- 4:20Speaker 2: offense in baseball, there is still enough time to go
- 4:23Speaker 2: on a run. But you get to the point in
- 4:25Speaker 2: mid July where the margins are so thin that you wonder, hey,
- 4:28Speaker 2: is it worth going after like a I'm just throwing
- 4:31Speaker 2: a name out there, like a Seth Halverson o the Rockies,
- 4:34Speaker 2: who has a really nasty fastball, Maybe a guy that
- 4:39Speaker 2: you can fix or turn around, going after some of
- 4:42Speaker 2: these guys with control who are gonna cost some guys
- 4:45Speaker 2: in your farm, Or is it worth saying, Hey, let's
- 4:47Speaker 2: be honest about where we're at right now. Let's be honest.
- 4:51Speaker 2: Even with Howard's Lion they've been this year, they haven't
- 4:53Speaker 2: been able to go on some sort of extended stretch
- 4:56Speaker 2: where they win ten of eleven or fifteen and eighteen.
- 5:02Speaker 2: It's hard to see them making that sort of push
- 5:04Speaker 2: with just how many arms they would need to compete
- 5:08Speaker 2: in the bullpen. And so I think there are some
- 5:10Speaker 2: intriguing options, and I think they will look, especially if
- 5:14Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks are really really strong. Like
- 5:17Speaker 2: I don't know that they've made a final decision, but
- 5:21Speaker 2: I do wonder if they start to deviate in the
- 5:25Speaker 2: other direction because of how the last weaker show's gone.
- 5:29Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to jump into another subject really quickly, Spencer,
- 5:34Speaker 1: you wrote an incredible piece the other day on the
- 5:36Speaker 1: mother of Den and Fitzgerald. It's making its rounds on
- 5:39Speaker 1: the internet, but really quickly for any of our listeners
- 5:41Speaker 1: that haven't read that story, if you can bring it
- 5:44Speaker 1: into the quickest crux that you can and summarize it.
- 5:48Speaker 1: But just an incredible piece. And I can't recommend that
- 5:50Speaker 1: people check that out enough, but please share.
- 5:53Speaker 2: Sure. I'll be as quick as I can.
- 5:55Speaker 3: So.
- 5:55Speaker 2: Fifth Girlds are a massive baseball family, famous high school
- 6:00Speaker 2: baseball coach, too big league prospects, one of whom Devin
- 6:05Speaker 2: was traded to the Nationals this offseason, is now a
- 6:07Speaker 2: top one hundred prospect on most sites. And their mom, Colleen,
- 6:13Speaker 2: I should say Devon's mom. Colleen was diagnosed with an
- 6:17Speaker 2: aggressive form of brain cancer in December after having a
- 6:22Speaker 2: seizure in November. And so I wrote a lot about
- 6:25Speaker 2: how the family is kind of leaning on one another
- 6:28Speaker 2: to get through this. If you talk to Devan, and
- 6:32Speaker 2: if you watch Devan, it's it's so clear how much
- 6:36Speaker 2: of an embodiment of his the rest of his family
- 6:38Speaker 2: he is, Like I kind of wrote a little bit
- 6:40Speaker 2: about this in the story, but like as a kid,
- 6:43Speaker 2: Jesus Lozarda who played at the same high school years before, said,
- 6:47Speaker 2: you know, there was always this kid who like hopped
- 6:49Speaker 2: the fence and like wanted to take ground balls with
- 6:51Speaker 2: all of us. He was like, it was exactly like
- 6:53Speaker 2: his brother, his older brother. And then you talk about, uh,
- 6:57Speaker 2: you know, I talked to people were saying, like area
- 7:00Speaker 2: scouts in the area, there was always this kid that
- 7:02Speaker 2: like ran over and grabbed the radar gun like it
- 7:05Speaker 2: it was you know, Devin, because it was exactly like
- 7:07Speaker 2: his dad. And there were so many elements where he
- 7:10Speaker 2: was exactly like his mom, just in terms of his
- 7:13Speaker 2: kind of approach to life, the way that he described
- 7:17Speaker 2: as like an OCD factor, but all these things that
- 7:19Speaker 2: are honestly getting him through this right now and what's
- 7:22Speaker 2: been a very challenging season. And yeah, just just wrote
- 7:27Speaker 2: a lot about how much seeing him play manners to
- 7:31Speaker 2: his mom and how much she matters to him. And
- 7:34Speaker 2: so I recommend anyone to check it out if they can.
- 7:37Speaker 1: Absolutely just incredible work. I want to give you a
- 7:39Speaker 1: quick clap all of our listeners, please go and check
- 7:42Speaker 1: that out. Just incredible work by Spencer and another national
- 7:47Speaker 1: is joining the All Star Game, Foster Griffin, a much
- 7:50Speaker 1: deserved selection on his behalf Spencer, Your reaction, your thoughts
- 7:54Speaker 1: on that. Obviously we knew he deserved to be there,
- 7:57Speaker 1: but it's awesome to see him get that selection.
- 8:00Speaker 2: It's very full deserved and it's funny. We talked to
- 8:02Speaker 2: Foster about twenty minutes after it happened, or I should
- 8:07Speaker 2: say after he found out about it, and he he
- 8:12Speaker 2: had made some sort of comment about how, you know,
- 8:15Speaker 2: he obviously recognized the perseverance and the time overseas and
- 8:20Speaker 2: how all of that made him the pitcherius today and
- 8:23Speaker 2: searching for answers and whatnot. And I asked him, you know,
- 8:26Speaker 2: what is what is the lesson in all of that?
- 8:28Speaker 2: Like what what do you take away from this? He
- 8:32Speaker 2: basically said, I need I need more time to sit
- 8:34Speaker 2: with that question. I think. I think genuinely, when you
- 8:38Speaker 2: think about Foster, it's a it's just how well deserved
- 8:41Speaker 2: it is and be how much he represents like what
- 8:46Speaker 2: baseball can be right and again that maybe that's like
- 8:49Speaker 2: too philosophical or whatnot, but it's it's searching for answers
- 8:54Speaker 2: and even if you don't necessarily like jump out on
- 8:58Speaker 2: the page or the velocity doesn't jump out or anything like,
- 9:00Speaker 2: all that stuff matters in myron baseball. But there's a
- 9:05Speaker 2: special class of people where they can find an answer.
- 9:08Speaker 2: And I think that that's what makes Foster so representative
- 9:11Speaker 2: of both the Nationals and just so well deserving for this,
- 9:14Speaker 2: for this, you know, selection to the team.
- 9:17Speaker 1: Yeah, excited that he's going to be joining James n
- 9:21Speaker 1: cj up in Philadelphia for all the festivities. And later
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- 10:02Speaker 2: I will tell you what I want, which is probably
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- 11:05Speaker 1: And we are back, Spencer. I don't know how much
- 11:07Speaker 1: draft coverage you were doing over the course of the weekend,
- 11:10Speaker 1: but the Nationals were very, very busy. I was listening
- 11:14Speaker 1: to the live broadcast from Day one of the draft
- 11:17Speaker 1: when the Nationals made their first selection and Chris said, yeah,
- 11:20Speaker 1: there's like seventy guys in that room when he got
- 11:23Speaker 1: the call from the Nationals that he was going to
- 11:25Speaker 1: go in the first round. Of course, it was a
- 11:27Speaker 1: busy day on Day two as well. But Spencer, were
- 11:30Speaker 1: there any draft picks that stood out to you?
- 11:34Speaker 5: Yeah?
- 11:34Speaker 1: And what's your overall NAT's draft grade? I suppose yeah.
- 11:38Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm smart enough to have a
- 11:40Speaker 2: draft grade. What I will say is, like, literally an
- 11:44Speaker 2: hour ago I went over and you guys can read.
- 11:47Speaker 2: I published a story at The Athletic about the Nationals
- 11:49Speaker 2: draft process because they overhauled so much this year. And
- 11:53Speaker 2: it's it's interesting too, because they had a decent twenty
- 11:57Speaker 2: twenty four draft and I think a really strong twenty
- 12:00Speaker 2: twenty five draft, but they did feel like there was
- 12:03Speaker 2: more work to do with all the new executives. I
- 12:06Speaker 2: will say I'm very bullish on the Hagopian pick, and
- 12:15Speaker 2: it's hard again for me as someone who has not
- 12:17Speaker 2: seen him in person, is not a scout like I
- 12:20Speaker 2: shouldn't be someone who's commenting on this is a good
- 12:22Speaker 2: pick or this is a bad pick. What I can
- 12:25Speaker 2: say and what I can speak to is he has
- 12:27Speaker 2: the sort of traits that make him a perfect National
- 12:31Speaker 2: prospect in that he has excellent swing decisions. He makes
- 12:35Speaker 2: a ton of contact in the zone, which the Nationals
- 12:37Speaker 2: are big on and I think will be big on,
- 12:39Speaker 2: especially as they acquire prospects and acquire players, and he
- 12:45Speaker 2: hits the ball pretty hard. What he doesn't do or
- 12:48Speaker 2: what he knows he needs to work on, and he
- 12:50Speaker 2: was very forthcoming about this is lifting the ball in
- 12:54Speaker 2: the air. And you look at all these success stories
- 12:55Speaker 2: in the Nationals like minor league system, what are they doing.
- 12:58Speaker 2: They're lifting the ball war right, And so I think
- 13:01Speaker 2: that's something that they're confident that they can teach. They
- 13:04Speaker 2: really like the character. It's funny we talked to him
- 13:07Speaker 2: as well, and it's hard not to be impressed just
- 13:10Speaker 2: with the I doneral makeup after fifteen minutes or whatever,
- 13:15Speaker 2: but yeah, I really like that pick, and I'm not
- 13:18Speaker 2: going to act like I can speak too much to
- 13:20Speaker 2: the rest of the draft class. I know, you know,
- 13:23Speaker 2: they were bullish on both those high school players. They
- 13:26Speaker 2: said they were surprised that they got Cooper Harris in
- 13:28Speaker 2: the fourth round. They really liked Chase Brunson, their second
- 13:32Speaker 2: round pick. Is all around tools. But to be honest,
- 13:37Speaker 2: it's hard really evaluate these guys, not for them but
- 13:41Speaker 2: for me when they just got in the system. What
- 13:44Speaker 2: I'm really curious about is for those of them that
- 13:46Speaker 2: get a little bit of time in the organization this year,
- 13:50Speaker 2: what they do once they're you know, at the plate
- 13:53Speaker 2: or on the mound.
- 13:56Speaker 1: And Matt's fans, I think should be really excited about
- 13:58Speaker 1: the makeup of that first round pick. If you were
- 14:01Speaker 1: listening to the broadcast, you know, but this kid was
- 14:03Speaker 1: thrown out names like Ian Desmond, Danny Espinosa, longtime Nationals fan,
- 14:08Speaker 1: and answered that his favorite NAT's memory grown up. Of course.
- 14:11Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen just an overall terrific selection in my opinion,
- 14:17Speaker 1: and again, time will tell to see how these guys develop.
- 14:20Speaker 1: But I'm given it an a plus as a fair
- 14:23Speaker 1: Weather fan, not a fair Weather fan, but someone who's
- 14:25Speaker 1: always gonna align with the Nationals regardless of what direction
- 14:29Speaker 1: they go in. That's my team, Spencer. This stat may
- 14:34Speaker 1: have updated since you tweeted it out the other day,
- 14:36Speaker 1: but the Nationals are on pace right now to set
- 14:40Speaker 1: a record. I'm calling it the BS record, the blown
- 14:42Speaker 1: save record. This is just I don't know, it's not
- 14:47Speaker 1: fathomable to me in terms of the pace that they're
- 14:51Speaker 1: at here in terms of how quickly they may break
- 14:53Speaker 1: this record ahead of season. But I mean it's good
- 14:58Speaker 1: to make history, I suppose.
- 15:01Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 15:02Speaker 2: I mean, they're obviously not happy with the pace they're on.
- 15:05Speaker 2: I think they're on piece for about forty five. Last
- 15:07Speaker 2: time I checked, the third game of the series wasn't
- 15:10Speaker 2: even a blown save because they didn't have a lead
- 15:15Speaker 2: I believe when Alvarez first came in. And so they're
- 15:20Speaker 2: they're still at twenty seven, still tracking for around forty five.
- 15:24Speaker 2: But yeah, whether or not that number in particular is
- 15:27Speaker 2: cognizant in their minds when they're on the mound, just
- 15:31Speaker 2: from talking with you know, players around the clubhouse and
- 15:35Speaker 2: just kind of getting the pulse of things. Obviously it's
- 15:38Speaker 2: it's on all of their minds, you know, before games
- 15:41Speaker 2: after games, something they're they're still really working through because
- 15:47Speaker 2: you know, like it's a it's a massive slice of
- 15:49Speaker 2: the pie in terms of what Blake Byteria has to
- 15:52Speaker 2: put his focus on. And for all the relievers, you know,
- 15:55Speaker 2: if you're doing any sort of work, you're cognizant that hey,
- 15:58Speaker 2: this is this is what we've been and this is
- 16:01Speaker 2: what we have to change. And so yeah, I don't
- 16:05Speaker 2: necessarily know how much of a mental factor it is
- 16:07Speaker 2: on the mound. I know it's part of it, whether
- 16:09Speaker 2: or not they say it, but it is something that
- 16:13Speaker 2: they will obviously try to avoid making that history. You know,
- 16:17Speaker 2: towards the end of the season, we're.
- 16:19Speaker 1: Going to take another quick bait quick break when we
- 16:22Speaker 1: come back, a look at the standings and some predictions
- 16:25Speaker 1: for the Nationals in the All Star Game on Tuesday night.
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- 17:43Speaker 1: the national schedule when they come out of All Star Break,
- 17:46Speaker 1: it'll be the Athletics, the No Name Athletics, and then
- 17:49Speaker 1: the Rockies. They open up with a West Coast road
- 17:51Speaker 1: trip before returning home playing the d Backs in the
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- 18:01Speaker 1: when they come out of the break. Here CJ Abrams,
- 18:04Speaker 1: James Wood, and Foster Griffin, the Nationals representatives in the
- 18:08Speaker 1: All Star Game tomorrow night, Spencer, any predictions, bold predictions.
- 18:13Speaker 1: I know it's tough with the All Star Game. The
- 18:15Speaker 1: managers aren't even you know, any predictions for the Nets
- 18:19Speaker 1: tomorrow night.
- 18:21Speaker 2: I don't know if I have strong predictions. I'll make
- 18:23Speaker 2: these two claims that may like inform a fans decision.
- 18:27Speaker 2: The first is that I am next to certain that
- 18:31Speaker 2: Foster has been told which ending he will pitch in
- 18:33Speaker 2: the game, So we know that we can see Foster
- 18:35Speaker 2: in that game unless there is some sort of last
- 18:38Speaker 2: minute change, which always could happen. The second and third
- 18:41Speaker 2: of which, and I have a little something cooking on
- 18:44Speaker 2: this right now. The Nationals, but in particular CJ and James,
- 18:50Speaker 2: have done an exceptional job this season hitting aces and
- 18:54Speaker 2: hitting back end relievers, and so think about how that
- 18:57Speaker 2: might play in the postseason. That's what's most important when
- 19:00Speaker 2: you think about how might play an All Star Game,
- 19:01Speaker 2: like James has a home run against like all these
- 19:05Speaker 2: like you know he hit it off Kim Schlittler the
- 19:08Speaker 2: other day. It was it was ninety nine at the
- 19:10Speaker 2: top of the zone. You think about CJ took Paul
- 19:13Speaker 2: Skeins deep earlier this season. Now will he be facing Skins. No,
- 19:18Speaker 2: But you know, these are two guys who aren't just
- 19:22Speaker 2: like beating up on the seventh man in the you
- 19:25Speaker 2: know Rockies bullpen. They're they're hitting against these these really
- 19:29Speaker 2: elite arms, and so yeah, that could that could absolutely
- 19:32Speaker 2: play in the All Star Game.
- 19:34Speaker 1: I'm excited to know that Foster has been informed he's
- 19:37Speaker 1: getting inning to pitch, because for managers, that's got to
- 19:40Speaker 1: be the not fun part of the All Star Game.
- 19:42Speaker 1: I suppose guys coming up to you and saying, hey,
- 19:44Speaker 1: I can't throw, man, I got to start as soon
- 19:46Speaker 1: as I come out of the break, or I need
- 19:48Speaker 1: a pitch in specifically this inning. I don't quite feel
- 19:51Speaker 1: comfortable there. So kudos to the coaching staff for the
- 19:54Speaker 1: All Star Game and putting on a good show for
- 19:56Speaker 1: the fans. I think that's all we got for today. Spencer,
- 20:00Speaker 1: anything you want to toss in before the next episode, No, just.
- 20:04Speaker 2: Again, I had a scurry go up on the athletic
- 20:06Speaker 2: this morning. My colleague Berries for Luga did as well,
- 20:09Speaker 2: and we will continue writing about the Nationals. If there's
- 20:12Speaker 2: anything you guys are ever curious about, hit Eric up,
- 20:15Speaker 2: hit me up on X at Spence Nussbound Underscore, if
- 20:20Speaker 2: you have any thoughts. I'm always, you know, curious what
- 20:23Speaker 2: you guys are curious about, and yeah, we'll talk about
- 20:27Speaker 2: it and we'll write about it, sir.
- 20:28Speaker 1: Hit us up on X, Hit us up on Instagram
- 20:31Speaker 1: by Spencer, nuts Bound, bat Boy Shelley, wherever you can
- 20:34Speaker 1: find us. We're excited to excited to talk NAT's baseball
- 20:38Speaker 1: until the next episode. See you later.