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Sharri | 18 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Line Sharry Well, good evening. I'm James Macpherson filling in
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Speaker 1: for Sharry Marks And Last week Prime Minister Anthony Elbaneze
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Speaker 1: was asked about prices at a sausage sizzle in Sydney.
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Speaker 1: Triple M radio host Mick malloy told the PM that
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Speaker 1: Vivid Festival was charging Australian's eight dollars fifty for a
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Speaker 1: sausage in bread and he wondered what Albanese he thought.
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Speaker 2: The PM replied immediately that it was.
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Speaker 1: And I quote rubbish and UnAustralian absolutely have listened.
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Speaker 3: Eight dollars fifty for a sausage sizzle at Vivid.
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Speaker 4: Can you do something about that?
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Speaker 5: No, that's just rubbish, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: It's un Australian.
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Speaker 5: I'll tell you it is done Australian absolutely, So there
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Speaker 5: you go.
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Speaker 1: The PM can take a stand when he wants to.
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Speaker 1: It's just a pity that he reserves his strongest condemnation
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Speaker 1: for the price of a snag in bread. If only
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Speaker 1: the Chinese premiere was a sausage. Whilst standing firm on
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Speaker 1: the rights of Australians to access affordable sausage sizzles, the
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Speaker 1: PM was rather less firm on the rights of Australian
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Speaker 1: journalists to not be physically intimidated, harassed or blocked on
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Speaker 1: home soil by foreign agents. When asked today what he
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Speaker 1: thought about the way in which Chinese officials had treated
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Speaker 1: Australian journalists Chang Lay during a press conference in Canbry yesterday,
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Speaker 1: the PM had only this to say.
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Speaker 5: We have different values in different political systems, and we
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Speaker 5: saw some of that yesterday. I've got to say with
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Speaker 5: the attempt that was pretty ham fisted to block Cheng Lay,
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Speaker 5: the Australian journalists who were able to get brought home
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Speaker 5: at the press conference, and there was a clumsy attempt
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Speaker 5: really to just stand in between where the cameras were
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Speaker 5: and Chang Lay.
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Speaker 1: Ham fisted and clumsy. It's an interesting choice of words
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Speaker 1: to describe an attempt by Chinese officials to bully an
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Speaker 1: Australian journalist. You might have expected our national leader to
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Speaker 1: describe the behavior as unacceptable or wrong, but you don't
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Speaker 1: need to ask the PM about a sausage sizzle to
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Speaker 1: elicit that kind of moral clarity, or rather, you would
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Speaker 1: need to ask him about a sausage sizzle to describe
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Speaker 1: the treatment dished out to chang Lay as clumsy is
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Speaker 1: to imply there wasn't anything inherently wrong with what the
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Speaker 1: Chinese did. It was just the way in which the
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Speaker 1: Chinese did it, those clumsy authoritarians. If only they exercised
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Speaker 1: their totalitarian instincts on our people in a more graceful
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Speaker 1: and skillful way. The Prime Minister dismissed the incident as
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Speaker 1: an example of and they quote different values and different
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Speaker 1: political systems, Well, yeah, the Chinese premiere comes from a
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Speaker 1: different political system. It's an authoritarian dictatorship in which political
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Speaker 1: opponents are harassed, harangued, and in some cases jailed for
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Speaker 1: long periods without trial. In fact, that's exactly what happened
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Speaker 1: to Chang Li, who has released less than a year
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Speaker 1: ago after spending more than three years in a dank
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Speaker 1: prison cell on trumped up chargers. For Chinese officials to
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Speaker 1: treat any Australian journalists the way they did yesterday is unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: But to do it to a woman who'd been.
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Speaker 1: A pawn in Beijing's hostage diplomacy as recently as last
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Speaker 1: October is not clumsy or ham fisted.
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Speaker 2: It's outrageous. Later in the day, the Prime Minister told
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Speaker 2: ABC radio.
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Speaker 5: Our officials have followed up with the Chinese embassy to
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Speaker 5: express our concern.
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Speaker 1: Great so our people have told their people that their
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Speaker 1: people ought to be less clumsy when harassing our people.
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Speaker 1: Oh and we hope this doesn't mean we won't be
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Speaker 1: getting our pandas. Describing the treatment of chang Lay as
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Speaker 1: clumsy reminds me of Albanesi describing the treatment of our
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Speaker 1: servicemen as unprofessional after a Chinese jet led off flares
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Speaker 1: in front of one of our.
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Speaker 2: Helicopters last month.
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Speaker 1: What is unprofessional in those circumstances, even mean it was
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Speaker 1: an amateurish attempt.
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Speaker 2: At endangering our forces.
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Speaker 1: Chinese are going to down one of our helicopters over
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Speaker 1: the Yelloca, they should do it properly, you know, in
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Speaker 1: a professional manner. Last November, when a Chinese warship used
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Speaker 1: sonar to injure Australian Navy divers in international wars off
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Speaker 1: the coast of Japan, Albanzi described the incident as regrettable,
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Speaker 1: which begs the question regrettable for whom for the Chinese,
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Speaker 1: hardly for the Australian Navy diver who was injured, undoubtedly
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Speaker 1: for Anthony Albanesi. Well most certainly he seemed then as
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Speaker 1: he does now, to highly regret being put in a
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Speaker 1: position where he has to defend Australians and Australian interests
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Speaker 1: from the Chinese Commonist Party. Little wonder Beijing dubbed him
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Speaker 1: their handsome boy. It's not the Chinese who are clumsy
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Speaker 1: or unprofessional, and it's certainly not the Chinese who have regret.
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Speaker 1: They continue to push our buttons while boasting about how
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Speaker 1: mature and respectful the relationship is. What's regrettable is that
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Speaker 1: the Albanese government seems so intent on normalizing relations with China,
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Speaker 1: prepared to normalize abuse from China. As my grandfather would
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Speaker 1: say if he was still alive, Albanezi is one silly sausage.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: Coming up on the program tonight, the government's early learning
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Speaker 1: framework that's turning out toddlers into activists. I'll ask whether
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Speaker 1: parents even know what's going on at their child's daycare.
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Speaker 1: Interest rates are on whole, but inflation is here to stay.
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Speaker 1: Plus the new South Wales budget continues a trend of
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Speaker 1: rising state debt. I'll have the latest analysis from leading
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Speaker 1: economist Warren Hogan and from the rise of Nigel Faraja's
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Speaker 1: Reform Party, to the death of the Tories and the
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Speaker 1: prospect of a man's summer calling slippery and unprincipled becoming PM.
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Speaker 1: The UK election is shaking up. We'll cross live to
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Speaker 1: London for the latest, but first let's go to my
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Speaker 1: panel former Speaker of the House Bromwin Bishop and National's.
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Speaker 2: MP Keith Pitt.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both, Thanks for joining me. I want
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Speaker 1: to start with you, Bronwan. What's your reaction to Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister Anthony Albernese's response to the way that Changli was
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Speaker 1: treated Changli rather was treated yesterday.
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Speaker 6: Look, I think the Chinese would be very satisfied. I
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Speaker 6: think the Chinese when the Prime Minister said different values
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Speaker 6: and different ways, that's putting it mildly. We are a
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Speaker 6: democracy there at totalitarian state. They see Australia as a
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Speaker 6: vassal state to pay tribute, and they would be very
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Speaker 6: satisfied with the way in which Albanesi responded. That means
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Speaker 6: that the Chinese Communist Party have got Albanese in his
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Speaker 6: government just where they want them, and that in turn
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Speaker 6: raises the question of Communist Party of China interference in
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Speaker 6: our coming election, whether or not those people who turned
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Speaker 6: out to welcome the premier are they going to be
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Speaker 6: subject to getting how to vote information in the coming election.
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Speaker 6: I think it is a very very series condition that
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Speaker 6: we have seen. The weakness of the Prime Minister is
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Speaker 6: inability to stand up for Australia and showing that he
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Speaker 6: will do anything to appeace Chinese approval. It just is
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Speaker 6: a very worrying time.
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Speaker 1: Keith, what do you think, how should the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: have responded to the events of yesterday. I mean it
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Speaker 1: was quite extraordinary that an Australian journalist will be treated
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Speaker 1: in that fashion, but even more extraordinary for the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister to not come out immediately and condemn it.
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Speaker 7: Well, with apologies to the Simpsons. Here in Australia, we
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Speaker 7: don't tolerate that sort of crap. That's the reality. And
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Speaker 7: unfortunately we have a federal Labor government who appear very
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Speaker 7: weak on this. They consider it to be reckless, awkward, uncomfortable.
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Speaker 7: But here in Australia we support freedom of the press,
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Speaker 7: freedom of expression, we support a democracy, a separation of powers,
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Speaker 7: and that is something that's been defended in this nation
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Speaker 7: for decades and willing to the future. I think it's
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Speaker 7: an incredibly important thing that we must maintain.
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Speaker 2: One little slip, one little.
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Speaker 7: Opening, one little opportunity for communism, socialism to take an
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Speaker 7: even greater hold in this country I think will be
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Speaker 7: detrimental to.
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Speaker 2: All of us into the future.
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Speaker 7: And it starts with this sort of nonsense. And the
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Speaker 7: federal Labor government shouldn't have allowed it. Their response should
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Speaker 7: have been stronger, and they've still got the opportunity to
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Speaker 7: fix it.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the reaction, which has been poor, to
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Speaker 1: say the least, only in Bolden's China to continue to
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Speaker 1: treat us in that fashion because they know there will
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Speaker 1: be no consequences.
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Speaker 2: Let's move on.
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Speaker 1: In somewhat non shocking news, a Labour senator called for
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Speaker 1: the immediate recognition of a Palestinian state. A Fatima Payman,
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Speaker 1: well known for her history of anti Israel sentiment, wrote
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Speaker 1: an opinion piece published in El Jazeera. She said, quote
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Speaker 1: by recognizing a Palestinian state, Australia would be affirming its
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Speaker 1: commitment to this universal principle that's of peace and frustrate
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Speaker 1: Israel's bid to crush such aspirations of the Palestinians. This
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Speaker 1: same Labor senator used the phrase from the river to
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Speaker 1: the Sea, which Anthony Alberzi then had to come out
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Speaker 1: and say was unacceptable to use that phrase.
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Speaker 2: It was a call for violence.
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Speaker 1: She pretty much ignored the Prime Minister and now she's
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Speaker 1: continuing ignoring labor policy, calling for immediate recognition of Palestine.
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Speaker 1: What should Anthony Alberesi do about.
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Speaker 6: This senator, Well, they have to consider her position obviously
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Speaker 6: next time she's up for reelection, that's for sure. But
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Speaker 6: I think he has to take a much more positive
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Speaker 6: stance that says you are there to represent the interests
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Speaker 6: of Australia and to serve the people you are elected
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Speaker 6: for your state that you come from, not to pursue
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Speaker 6: this absolute falsehood of genocide being perpetrated by the Israelis.
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Speaker 6: Genocide means this. In nineteen thirty nine, there were sixteen
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Speaker 6: million Jews in the world in nineteen In twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 6: there are still sixteen million Jews in the world because
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Speaker 6: six million were murdered. That is genocide, not a war
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Speaker 6: where Gaza invader or Hahas invaded Israel and slaughtered twelve
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Speaker 6: hundred people and took hostages. I've not heard a word
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Speaker 6: from this woman about hostages or about the mutilation of women.
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Speaker 6: She comes from a country where she should really appreciate
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Speaker 6: the freedom that she has in this country. And when
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Speaker 6: she calls for from the River to the Sea, that
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Speaker 6: is calling for more genocide and the murder of Jews.
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Speaker 6: There's no two ways about it. That's exactly what it means.
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Speaker 6: And she has to be reprimanded by the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 6: but of course he'll just show weakness again.
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Speaker 2: Well, Keith.
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Speaker 1: Both the Coalition and the Labor Government slammed the Greens
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Speaker 1: the other week for stirring up hatred and creating social division.
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Speaker 1: But here the Labor Party have got one of their
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Speaker 1: own senators. I mean, in this article for El Jazeira,
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Speaker 1: she praised the student activists who have set up encampments
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Speaker 1: in universities across the country to the point where Jewish
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Speaker 1: students have been afraid to go to class. So it's
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Speaker 1: a bit rich for the Labor Party to criticize the
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Speaker 1: Greens while they've got their own senator effectively doing the
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Speaker 1: same kinds of things.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 7: I'm on a joint standing committee with Fatimur.
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Speaker 2: I got to tell you much.
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Speaker 7: She's smart and articulate, and on this issue I disagree
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Speaker 7: with her completely and wholeheartedly. But in the Labor Party
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Speaker 7: they don't reward disobedience.
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Speaker 9: Brody knows where I'm going here.
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Speaker 7: They will crack down on this like a ton of
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Speaker 7: bricks have hit the poor senator from Western Australia because
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Speaker 7: her comments today, she's effectively said that the Prime Minister
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Speaker 7: is spineless, has not held and not continuing to hold
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Speaker 7: a long held position that he had before he became
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister, before Labor came into government. I mean, that's
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Speaker 7: quite an extraordinary statement from a sitting senator in WA
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Speaker 7: in the Labor Party, and I don't think the unions
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Speaker 7: will let this continue. So I feel a bit sorry
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Speaker 7: for Fatima. Her comments are wrong. I disagree with them completely,
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Speaker 7: but in terms of the politics, I know what's coming
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Speaker 7: for and the Union basket will take her out.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the most likely outcome. Yeah, well, I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure there'll be too for it at all. I
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Speaker 2: thought you might say.
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Speaker 6: I think she needs to be where she needs to
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Speaker 6: face the reckoning because what she's doing is just so wrong.
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Speaker 6: I mean, if anyone who analyzes the history of what
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Speaker 6: has happened in the Middle East in this area. Will
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Speaker 6: remember that in nineteen forty one, the Grand Mufti of
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Speaker 6: Jerusalem went to Hitler and said, please come and help
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Speaker 6: us kill the Jews in Israel, and Hitler said he
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Speaker 6: would do that food finished killing them in Europe because
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Speaker 6: the Grand Muffie of Jerusalem wanted to be the leader
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Speaker 6: of a new Palestinian state.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you do what Fatima is calling for,
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Speaker 1: if you recognize Palestine immediately effectively, you're recognizing a terrorist
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Speaker 1: state because of course it's still run by Hamas. Let's
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Speaker 1: move on to more local politics. Simonhomes of Courts Climate
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Speaker 1: two hundred, group that bankrolled the Teal independent wave at
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Speaker 1: the last election, now has set its sites on unseating
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Speaker 1: more Coalition MPs. The group has identified at least nine
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Speaker 1: seats it will target at the next election, all of
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Speaker 1: which were won by the Coalition in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 1: Bromwin the Liberal Party may be vulnerable, but of course
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Speaker 1: last time the Teals won seats Scott Morrison was in office.
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Speaker 1: This time with a labor government and the cost of
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Speaker 1: living pressures etc. Will the Teals have quite the same
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Speaker 1: appeal with their luxury beliefs.
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Speaker 6: Well I think there are two points to make. First
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Speaker 6: of all, I don't think the same amount of money
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Speaker 6: is going to be available in the seat of mckella.
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Speaker 6: The Teal spent one point two million dollars. There is
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Speaker 6: already one of their biggest donors who gave half a
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Speaker 6: million dollars last time won't be giving it this time,
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Speaker 6: So I think it's a different ballgame. The second thing
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Speaker 6: is they stood on a platform of integrity and climate
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Speaker 6: change integrity. We've seen none on the climate change issue.
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Speaker 6: Where are the Teals campaigning about these monstrous proposals to
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Speaker 6: put these huge windmills out into the sea and interrupt
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Speaker 6: the whales transgression movements and so on. Where is their integritcy?
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Speaker 1: You've got to destroy the environment to save it, don't
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Speaker 1: you know that?
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Speaker 6: Well? There, of course was the same argument with the
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Speaker 6: Vietnam War. Wasn't that as destroy the village to save it?
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Speaker 1: So you don't think the Teals will be as successful
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Speaker 1: next time? I don't all right, Keith the Nationals leader
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Speaker 1: David Little Proud, he's just scathing attack against voters in
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Speaker 1: Teal seats, accusing them of being out of touch with
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Speaker 1: the struggles of regional Australians have listened to what he said.
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Speaker 10: I just say to those viewers that are from Teal seats,
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Speaker 10: just take a little visit out west and understand the
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Speaker 10: burden you're asking us to bear. For you to put
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Speaker 10: your head on a pillow at night and think that
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Speaker 10: you've saved the world, you've actually destroyed much of the
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Speaker 10: environment where I live.
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Speaker 1: Talk to me about the frustration that's being held being
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Speaker 1: felt by people in regional areas. Obviously, David Little Proud,
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Speaker 1: he seemed quite emotional actually speaking out about that today.
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Speaker 1: Just how annoying is it for people in regional areas
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Speaker 1: to I guess they feel carry the burden of the
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Speaker 1: renewable project.
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Speaker 7: Well, every day Australians can't afford more Teals. That's the
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Speaker 7: reality that they can't afford to pay more for electricity,
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Speaker 7: they can't afford to pay more for the car they
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Speaker 7: kind of paid ford to pay more for food and
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Speaker 7: rent and housing. And this is the reality of Labour's
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Speaker 7: policies which the Teals are supporting and.
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Speaker 2: Out in regional areas.
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Speaker 7: I mean, this is the practical, this is the front line,
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Speaker 7: this is the common sense, and what Labour is doing
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Speaker 7: is millions of hectares of solar panels, for example, which
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Speaker 7: need to be replaced every twenty years. Tens of thousands
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Speaker 7: of wind turbines in regional areas, they don't want them.
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Speaker 7: Just look at the blow up you've got now for
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Speaker 7: or shore that's proposed for the south coast. Well, how
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Speaker 7: about we put them in the harbor. I mean, Sydney
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Speaker 7: Harbor's a great spot. It's pretty windy there. I'm sure
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Speaker 7: bron would like to look out the window and see
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Speaker 7: a whopping, great big wind turbine that's higher than the
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Speaker 7: harbor bridge. It'll attract tourisms for sure. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 7: sure that the Japanese and the Chinese will fly from
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Speaker 7: all over the world to come and see a harbor
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Speaker 7: full of wind turbines.
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Speaker 1: Well either, Keith, I know you've been sarcastic, but I
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Speaker 1: remember Anastasia Palage seriously proposing that a wind farm in
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Speaker 1: Queensland would become a major tourist attraction. People get on
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Speaker 1: buses and drive out to look at these turbines.
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Speaker 2: I remember seriously saying that, well they.
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Speaker 7: Might come and look at them when they're on fire.
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Speaker 7: That would be something to see which potentially can happen.
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Speaker 7: But for the regions, the numbers are just extraordinary, and
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Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of there's challenges for us
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Speaker 7: to try and get across to people just how big
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Speaker 7: an area this is. I mean, we've seen reports for
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Speaker 7: Gladston hydrogen, for example, needing two and a half thousand
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Speaker 7: square kilometers of solar panels just for Gladston hydrogen. It's
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Speaker 7: really we're going to level two and a half thousand
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Speaker 7: square kilometers and you really think you'll get an environmental
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Speaker 7: approval for that, and you'll get it through an indigenous
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Speaker 7: land use agreement and you'll pay royalties through native title
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Speaker 7: and that'll be all tickety boo.
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Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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Speaker 7: So if we accept that this stuff's just not going
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Speaker 7: to happen, well you need another solution, and nuclear is
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Speaker 7: that baseload net zero solution. It's got no emissions, it
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Speaker 7: works one hundred percent of the time, and we just
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Speaker 7: need people to actually have a conversation about it so
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Speaker 7: that we can get some information to them that's factual
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Speaker 7: and it's not just based on feelings, because the proposal
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Speaker 7: from Labor is all about a feeling.
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Speaker 1: Keith, we're going to go to a break in a moment. First,
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Speaker 1: want to ask you tomorrow morning there's a coalition party
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Speaker 1: room meeting to talk about the plans for nuclear what
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Speaker 1: sort of announcement will we get from the Prime Minister tomorrow?
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Speaker 1: Will we find out the locations of proposed reactors tomorrow?
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Speaker 2: Is that the plan?
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Speaker 7: Oh, I'd love to give you an insight, but A,
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Speaker 7: I don't know, and be if I did, I wouldn't
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Speaker 7: tell you. Unfortunately you're right out of luck. But I'd
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Speaker 7: imagine that'll be plenty to say. There's lots going on
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Speaker 7: tonight that I'm aware of, and you know you've obviously
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Speaker 7: been informed a better potential meeting tomorrow. I would assume
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Speaker 7: that would be the discussion. But we've got two weeks
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Speaker 7: of parliamentary sittings coming up as well, and I'm sure
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Speaker 7: colleagues will have plenty to say. It'll be a good discussion.
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Speaker 6: Well, the important thing is that there's a plan out
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Speaker 6: there which is an alternate, and I think people will
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Speaker 6: see it. As I said, the two spent an enormous
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Speaker 6: amount of money, reportedly in mcallo one point two million,
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Speaker 6: But the point is this, there is now a real
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Speaker 6: argument going on which was absent in twenty twenty two
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Speaker 6: there was a real alternative to encompass all Astra content.
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Speaker 1: Well, indeed, there'll definitely be a contest at the next election, Keith,
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Speaker 1: that's for sure, Bronwin, Bishop Keith Pitt.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much to both of you.
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Speaker 1: We'll stick around because coming up we'll talk more about
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Speaker 1: why the PM must stand up to China's bully boy tactics.
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Speaker 2: Plus rates on hold.
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Speaker 1: But the RBA isn't happy about big spending federal and
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Speaker 1: state governments.
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Speaker 2: All of that in a moment.
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Speaker 1: Well I spoke at the top of the program about
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Speaker 1: the disgraceful stunt pulled by Chinese officials at Parliament House yesterday,
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Speaker 1: a stunt aimed at one of my Sky News colleagues,
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Speaker 1: Chang Lai. Now, of course, after being questioned about it yesterday,
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister finally condemned the move today, saying Australia
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Speaker 1: had lodged a complaint with the Chinese embassy over the incident.
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Speaker 1: Just to remind you, here's the PM.
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Speaker 5: We have different values in different political systems and we
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Speaker 5: saw some of that yesterday. I've got to say with
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Speaker 5: the attempt that was pretty ham fisted to block Chang Lai,
20:41
Speaker 5: the Australian journalists who were able to get brought home
20:47
Speaker 5: at the press conference, and there was a clumsy attempt
20:51
Speaker 5: really to just stand in between where the cameras were
20:55
Speaker 5: and Chang Lai and the Australian officials did the right
20:58
Speaker 5: thing and intervened.
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Speaker 1: Opposition Leader Peter Dutton says the PM's response is not
21:04
Speaker 1: good enough.
21:06
Speaker 11: I do want to point out that the Prime Minister
21:08
Speaker 11: clearly misled the Australian people yesterday when he got up
21:11
Speaker 11: and did a press conference and said that he heard
21:13
Speaker 11: nothing of it. He didn't understand what the question was
21:15
Speaker 11: or didn't know anything about it. It's completely inconceivable and
21:19
Speaker 11: the Prime Minister needs to stand up today to explain
21:22
Speaker 11: the discrepancy, explain why he didn't tell the truth yesterday,
21:26
Speaker 11: and please grow a backbone, stand up for our country.
21:30
Speaker 1: Strategic Analysis Australia Director Peter Jennings joins me. Now, Peter,
21:35
Speaker 1: thanks for your time. It's a pretty not just delayed,
21:39
Speaker 1: but weak response from the PM.
21:43
Speaker 4: Yes it is, James, and good evening. Once again we
21:48
Speaker 4: get from Prime Minister Albanezier sort of a description of
21:51
Speaker 4: the event, like he's a spectator at the scene. I
21:54
Speaker 4: don't think it's appropriate to call this a cultural difference.
21:58
Speaker 4: What China Chinese officials were deliberately trying to do was
22:03
Speaker 4: to hide from the cameras a person who they had
22:06
Speaker 4: illegally jailed on fake spying charges for three years until
22:11
Speaker 4: she was finally released and brought to Australia. And so
22:15
Speaker 4: this is the behavior of the thugish Chinese Communist Party,
22:19
Speaker 4: not a cultural practice which was tolerated in the Parliament
22:24
Speaker 4: of Australia. And then the Prime Minister said that he
22:27
Speaker 4: knew nothing about it, and then the following day he
22:30
Speaker 4: talks about a complaint being made. So it's nothing to
22:33
Speaker 4: do with him. You know, why didn't he take the
22:35
Speaker 4: opportunity James to take it up with Premier Lee. I
22:40
Speaker 4: thought it was a typically poor quality performance, a failure
22:46
Speaker 4: of leadership, and it creates this impression that he's all
22:51
Speaker 4: too willing to please the Chinese, whereas I think what
22:55
Speaker 4: most Australians want mister Albenezi to do is actually stand
22:58
Speaker 4: up for Australia's interests.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember Anthony Alberanzi once saying I love fighting tories,
23:04
Speaker 1: but he really doesn't like speaking out against the Chinese.
23:07
Speaker 1: In fact, in that radio clip that we played just
23:10
Speaker 1: a moment ago, Anthony Albanese actually does a half laugh
23:14
Speaker 1: as he talks about this incident.
23:17
Speaker 2: But as you say, it reaffirms the.
23:20
Speaker 1: Complete incompatibility between Australia's political system and political culture and
23:25
Speaker 1: that of the Chinese. And it's no small difference. These
23:28
Speaker 1: are major ideological differences. So a failure to stand up
23:33
Speaker 1: for Chang Lay is really a failure to stand up
23:35
Speaker 1: for liberal democracy and for the freedoms that we all
23:38
Speaker 1: take for granted, is it not?
23:42
Speaker 4: It is, And you know, I think it's a pattern
23:45
Speaker 4: of behavior that we're seeing from this government too, that
23:48
Speaker 4: the emphasis on panda diplomacy being pro panda, all of
23:53
Speaker 4: these horribly poor quality jokes, the failure on several occasions
23:59
Speaker 4: now too publicly speak out in defense of Australian defense
24:04
Speaker 4: fools personnel coming under attack in a helicopter on board
24:07
Speaker 4: ship by the Chinese People's Liberation Army. You know, I
24:13
Speaker 4: think from this visit, the Chinese Communist Party can conclude
24:19
Speaker 4: justly that they have Australia where they want us to be,
24:22
Speaker 4: which is quite in subservient doing their business, laughing at
24:26
Speaker 4: their jokes, I just think the Prime Minister has misread
24:31
Speaker 4: this situation and how Australians will react to it, and
24:35
Speaker 4: part of that is driven by sort of a very
24:37
Speaker 4: tribal view inside the government that or they've shown that
24:41
Speaker 4: they're better than the previous coalition government at managing China relations,
24:47
Speaker 4: and I just don't think that's the case, James. They
24:50
Speaker 4: happen to, frankly, get lucky after COVID when China decided
24:55
Speaker 4: that it's aggressive wolf warrior diplomacy wasn't helping it anywhere
25:00
Speaker 4: or in Europe or elsewhere, and so they quietened down
25:03
Speaker 4: and that's what has enabled the resumption of contact. But
25:07
Speaker 4: it's contact without substance. If our Prime minister can never
25:10
Speaker 4: raise difficult issues, then all we have is photo opportunities
25:14
Speaker 4: to suit the interests of the Communist Party and nothing
25:17
Speaker 4: which really suits the interests of Australia.
25:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:21
Speaker 1: Well, it's pretty easy to manage a relationship if you
25:23
Speaker 1: give the other party everything they want. The Prime Ministers
25:27
Speaker 1: said that he and the Chinese premier have agreed to
25:29
Speaker 1: establish a military communications line to avoid further what should
25:34
Speaker 1: we call them, regrettable incidents at sea and in the air,
25:38
Speaker 1: such as you described earlier. How believable is this idea
25:42
Speaker 1: of military communications between the two nations as a way
25:46
Speaker 1: of avoiding further mishaps.
25:51
Speaker 4: Well, you know, tactically, communications happen all the time, and
25:55
Speaker 4: I've heard recordings of aircraft to aircraft discus Ushians or
26:00
Speaker 4: ship to ship discussions where our navy is telling the
26:04
Speaker 4: Chinese navy that they're sailing in international waters and the
26:07
Speaker 4: Chinese Navy replies, no, you're in Chinese sovereign territory. Move away.
26:13
Speaker 4: Those communications happen all the time. I don't know what
26:17
Speaker 4: it is that the Prime Minister claims to have heard
26:20
Speaker 4: from Premier Lee, other than some sort of throwaway comment.
26:23
Speaker 4: Because here's the key point, James. Since twenty twenty one,
26:29
Speaker 4: there have been over two hundred of these incidents at
26:31
Speaker 4: sea involving US, the Americans, of Filipinos, and other navies.
26:36
Speaker 4: This is not a failure on the part of China
26:38
Speaker 4: to communicate. It is them unrolling a strategy of intimidation.
26:43
Speaker 4: That's what China is doing. They're trying to intimidate other
26:47
Speaker 4: navies and air forces to stay away from what they
26:50
Speaker 4: call sovereign territory. And so no amount of Australian discussion
26:55
Speaker 4: about better communications is going to change this issue the China.
27:00
Speaker 4: His military is doing exactly what it wants to do,
27:04
Speaker 4: and our PM shouldn't be so silly as to be
27:06
Speaker 4: sort of fobbed off by a passing comment from Premier Lee,
27:09
Speaker 4: who is not in the Chinese military chain of command
27:12
Speaker 4: and has no authority over them. These discussions about communications
27:17
Speaker 4: will go nowhere.
27:18
Speaker 1: Very interesting, Peter Jennings, I appreciate your insights tonight. Well,
27:23
Speaker 1: there was a reprieve of sorts for mortgage holders today. Well,
27:26
Speaker 1: rates didn't come down, at least the RBA hasn't raised
27:29
Speaker 1: them yet. The cash rate has been left at four
27:33
Speaker 1: point three five percent, but don't hold your breath waiting
27:36
Speaker 1: for a reduction. Well, interest rates are on hold for now.
27:39
Speaker 1: Economists say the door has still been left open for
27:41
Speaker 1: an increase later in the year if inflation remains stubbornly high.
27:46
Speaker 1: Judo Banks chief economic advisor Warren Hogan joins me. Now, Warren,
27:50
Speaker 1: thanks for your time. Is this the calm before the storm?
27:54
Speaker 1: Rates on hold?
27:55
Speaker 2: But do you think they could go up in the
27:57
Speaker 2: near future?
28:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hi, James, thanks for having me on the show.
28:02
Speaker 3: I think that's what the governor was sort of intimating
28:05
Speaker 3: is that this inflation risk, they're on high alert. I
28:10
Speaker 3: don't know how you can read it any other way
28:12
Speaker 3: than that, you know, there's a real chance they might
28:14
Speaker 3: have to raise rates. They're showing extreme patients. They've got
28:18
Speaker 3: a very different strategy to what would traditionally be followed.
28:21
Speaker 3: That is, you really lean into inflation. And of course
28:25
Speaker 3: this is what other central banks have got. The RBA's
28:27
Speaker 3: cash rate at four point three five, as you just showed,
28:30
Speaker 3: compared to to New Zealand at five and a half
28:32
Speaker 3: in the US and five and a half, we're actually
28:36
Speaker 3: taking a very different path and the course if it
28:38
Speaker 3: doesn't work, and we're getting evidence this year that the
28:41
Speaker 3: economy is proving resilient and inflation is proving sticky, then
28:45
Speaker 3: the question is what's next. And of course I think
28:47
Speaker 3: with a message today was that we may see another
28:49
Speaker 3: rate hu.
28:51
Speaker 1: You know, the governor was quite careful to say, you know,
28:55
Speaker 1: it could go this way, it could go that way.
28:57
Speaker 1: But of course everybody is listening for the the hidden messages.
29:01
Speaker 1: What's between the lines you say that could well go up.
29:05
Speaker 1: What were the things she said specifically that gave that impression,
29:08
Speaker 1: And do you think she was deliberately trying to prepare
29:12
Speaker 1: people for a possible rate rise in the future.
29:16
Speaker 3: I think she was trying to send that message without
29:20
Speaker 3: saying it, and it is quite perplexing. And of course
29:22
Speaker 3: we're learning about this governor. She's only been doing the
29:26
Speaker 3: job for a while. And of course we've got this
29:28
Speaker 3: sort of big overhaul happening at the RBA. Even though
29:30
Speaker 3: the legislation hasn't passed, she's actually getting on with sort of,
29:34
Speaker 3: you know, changing the way the place operates.
29:37
Speaker 12: So we're still.
29:37
Speaker 3: Learning what she's sort of doing. And today was a
29:39
Speaker 3: little bit confusing. I must I must admit I was
29:41
Speaker 3: sort of trying to really get to the bottom of it.
29:44
Speaker 3: Central bankers are always a little bit opaque. They don't
29:47
Speaker 3: want to say too much, and I think that's the
29:48
Speaker 3: key part of her strategy is not to get put
29:51
Speaker 3: into a corner. The biggest mistake they've made lately is
29:54
Speaker 3: that twenty twenty four guidance from the pandemic with Phil Low.
29:57
Speaker 3: But I think the message coming through is we see
30:01
Speaker 3: what's happening in the economy, which is strong employment, growth,
30:04
Speaker 3: inflation showing signs of stabilizing at four percent, way too
30:08
Speaker 3: much higher than their target, and they can't walk away
30:11
Speaker 3: from this because of course their credibility will be damaged
30:14
Speaker 3: if they're not seen to be on top of what's
30:16
Speaker 3: happening in the economy. So look, we'll learn more about
30:19
Speaker 3: how she wants to play this, but they've made it
30:22
Speaker 3: quite clear that next quarterly inflation number, which comes out
30:25
Speaker 3: in late July, is absolutely critical. And if that comes
30:29
Speaker 3: in like it did in Q one, the number we
30:32
Speaker 3: got in late April as around one percent, I just
30:35
Speaker 3: don't think they can walk away from that, and I
30:37
Speaker 3: think they'll probably have to high rates. And the issue
30:39
Speaker 3: actually is with all this sort of government spending, which
30:42
Speaker 3: they noted in their statement, is actually whether they're going
30:46
Speaker 3: to have to do multiple rate hikes because the economy
30:48
Speaker 3: actually is proving resilient and it's about to get a
30:50
Speaker 3: big injection of money from state and federal governments from
30:55
Speaker 3: one July.
30:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you about the fact
30:58
Speaker 1: that she did reference big spending in the federal budget,
31:01
Speaker 1: and of course we've just had a Queensland budget. I
31:04
Speaker 1: think they've handed out some like eleven billion dollars in
31:07
Speaker 1: incentives for people to vote for Steven Miles to win office,
31:12
Speaker 1: so it was interesting that the RBA governor did mention
31:14
Speaker 1: that as being a factor that may mean interest rates
31:18
Speaker 1: stay high. Speaking of budgets, Labour's second budget was announced
31:23
Speaker 1: today in New South Wales and it certainly continues a
31:26
Speaker 1: trend of rising state debt. This is the New South
31:30
Speaker 1: Wales Labour's second deficit budget and they predict operating deficits
31:34
Speaker 1: for the next four years of the forward estimates, so
31:37
Speaker 1: that would make six deficits in a row. I wanted
31:40
Speaker 1: to ask you have state governments lost the ability to
31:43
Speaker 1: constrain debt and run surpluses. It seems like no one's
31:47
Speaker 1: able to do it anymore.
31:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, there certainly isn't a lot of budget surpluces going around,
31:53
Speaker 3: and I think the thing that I'm worried about with
31:57
Speaker 3: the government sector is it's just getting very large. We
32:02
Speaker 3: can see from the National Accounts. The GDP figures that
32:06
Speaker 3: government consumption across all levels of government, and when they
32:09
Speaker 3: call it consumption that means they're operating spending is at
32:13
Speaker 3: a record proportion of the economy at around twenty two percent.
32:17
Speaker 3: It's taken a big step up from really what it
32:19
Speaker 3: was averaging around eighteen nineteen percent all through the eighties,
32:22
Speaker 3: nineties and noughties. Last decade. It's been happening for about
32:25
Speaker 3: ten years, but it's the biggest step up in government
32:28
Speaker 3: spending as a proportion of the economy since the early seventies,
32:30
Speaker 3: since the Lyndon Johnson Great Society, Whitlam all that stuff.
32:35
Speaker 3: So government's getting bigger, and of course the other side
32:37
Speaker 3: of that is the tax take is getting bigger, so
32:40
Speaker 3: income taxes that we're paying back to where they were
32:44
Speaker 3: when Howard and Costello introduced the GST. So we've actually
32:48
Speaker 3: still got the GST, but income taxes back where it
32:50
Speaker 3: was when they brought it in. And of course this
32:52
Speaker 3: is a potential big shift in our economy. It's going
32:55
Speaker 3: to squeeze out the private sect, particularly around finding staff.
32:59
Speaker 3: So yeah, the government today in New South Wales, I
33:01
Speaker 3: think it was an okay budget, but there was a
33:03
Speaker 3: big shift up in spending about five billion a year,
33:06
Speaker 3: and of course they are going to be deficits for
33:07
Speaker 3: as far as I can see, and of course debt's
33:09
Speaker 3: going from about one hundred billion up to about one
33:12
Speaker 3: hundred and forty.
33:14
Speaker 1: Gee, Warren, you've done nothing to encourage me at all
33:16
Speaker 1: this evening. Thanks a lot for that, Warren Hogan. I
33:19
Speaker 1: really appreciate your time as always. Well, we're going to
33:22
Speaker 1: go to a break, but stick around because coming up
33:24
Speaker 1: from Indigenous rights to sexuality. You don't believe some of
33:28
Speaker 1: the government programs being force fed to toddlers in childcare
33:32
Speaker 1: that's coming up shortly.
33:39
Speaker 2: Welcome back well.
33:40
Speaker 1: A new learning framework for Australia's childcare centers has been
33:43
Speaker 1: accused of turning toddlers into cultural activists. In analysis conducted
33:49
Speaker 1: by the Institute of Public Affairs, the government's Early Years
33:52
Speaker 1: Learning Framework was found to mention diversity, inclusion and equity
33:56
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty nine times, and the terms Aboriginal
34:00
Speaker 1: and Torres Strait Islanders and reconciliation ninety six times. Have
34:05
Speaker 1: I guessed how many times the terms mother or father
34:08
Speaker 1: or parent were referenced? You guessed it, not even once.
34:13
Speaker 1: The framework also states that social justice in early Years
34:17
Speaker 1: is an exciting opportunity to explore issues around gender, sexuality,
34:22
Speaker 1: race and culture.
34:24
Speaker 2: God help us.
34:26
Speaker 1: Joining me is my panel Sky News host Caleb Bond
34:29
Speaker 1: and News Corp columnist Angela Mollard. Caleb, what does it
34:32
Speaker 1: tell you when you put your kids into daycare and
34:35
Speaker 1: they're taught about diversity and equity and inclusion, but mom
34:40
Speaker 1: and dad and never ever reference well.
34:42
Speaker 8: It tells you that we're happy little socialists, as bright
34:44
Speaker 8: as Brad can be. To paraphrase a good old Australian ad. Seriously,
34:49
Speaker 8: I mean, look, is anyone really surprised by this? We've
34:51
Speaker 8: known the long march through the institutions has been going
34:55
Speaker 8: on for some time. And if you really want to
34:57
Speaker 8: capture the kids and promulgate your ideology, you have to
35:01
Speaker 8: get them as young as possible. And of course we
35:03
Speaker 8: keep hearing about we need to get kids into early
35:06
Speaker 8: learning earlier and earlier and earlier. I mean, you know,
35:09
Speaker 8: I think it's what two or three years old now.
35:11
Speaker 8: They want to get them into early learning. If they
35:12
Speaker 8: find a way to do it while they're still in
35:14
Speaker 8: the womb, they'll probably do that as well. But the
35:17
Speaker 8: earlier you capture them, the earlier you can get hold
35:19
Speaker 8: of their brains. It's as simple as that, and this
35:22
Speaker 8: lays it.
35:22
Speaker 1: Bear Angela the IPA said that most parents don't even
35:26
Speaker 1: realize these sorts of things are being taught in childcare.
35:31
Speaker 1: Do you agree that most parents just oblivious to this
35:33
Speaker 1: sort of thing.
35:33
Speaker 13: I think they're oblivious to them because children can't come home.
35:36
Speaker 13: They can barely tell you who they've had lunch with,
35:38
Speaker 13: let alone the fact that they've learned some social justice
35:40
Speaker 13: theory that day. Look, I don't think parents are really aware.
35:43
Speaker 13: I was shocked when I read this story. But as
35:46
Speaker 13: someone who's seen their children go through from early childhood
35:49
Speaker 13: right through now in university, the level of diversity, equality
35:53
Speaker 13: and inclusion learning and a communications degree, I'm worried my
35:57
Speaker 13: daughter is going to qualify without actually knowing anything about communications.
36:02
Speaker 13: But she knows a heck of a lot about diversity
36:04
Speaker 13: and include I've read a couple of her essays. But look,
36:07
Speaker 13: my mum always said, and she was a teacher for
36:09
Speaker 13: fifty sixty years, that childhood is preparer is not preparation
36:13
Speaker 13: for life, it is life. We are not there to
36:15
Speaker 13: turn them into woke little puppets. We're there to read
36:18
Speaker 13: them the hungry caterpillar.
36:19
Speaker 1: Well, I dare say our kids were happier and healthier
36:23
Speaker 1: and probably smarter before we started propagating all this DEI stuff.
36:28
Speaker 1: Another thing in this report, they found that it's recommended
36:31
Speaker 1: childcare start every day with an acknowledgment of country. So
36:35
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that's not deliberate in doctrination.
36:38
Speaker 2: Of course it is.
36:39
Speaker 8: The idea is just to make it as easy as possible.
36:42
Speaker 8: Once you normalize it, the kids just believe that that's
36:44
Speaker 8: part of the deal.
36:45
Speaker 1: Well, then the kids think that Mum and dad, who
36:47
Speaker 1: may say live unnecessary.
36:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, they go around. We need to sell the house.
36:53
Speaker 2: We're living in a stolen house.
36:54
Speaker 8: What are we going to do about it?
36:55
Speaker 1: Which if we want to go down that track, I
36:57
Speaker 1: mean the point of socialism is to separate children from
36:59
Speaker 1: the appearance and create enmity.
37:02
Speaker 2: Let's move on. In the desperate pursuit of net.
37:04
Speaker 1: Zero, our labor government is now considering get this greenhouse
37:08
Speaker 1: gases omitted by the transport sector when deciding what roads
37:13
Speaker 1: to build. The government's Transport and Infrastructure net zero roadmap
37:17
Speaker 1: includes a section that warns I couldn't believe it when.
37:20
Speaker 2: I read this.
37:21
Speaker 1: The building of roads could increase the emissions from light
37:24
Speaker 1: and heavy vehicles by enabling this transport mode.
37:28
Speaker 2: It goes on to say.
37:29
Speaker 1: This needs to be taken into consideration when deciding what
37:32
Speaker 1: roads to build. So calib if I've got this right,
37:35
Speaker 1: The Transport Department have figured out that building roads enables
37:39
Speaker 1: cars to travel.
37:41
Speaker 8: Strange, isn't it.
37:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't startling inside.
37:44
Speaker 8: I know I say this all the time, But there's
37:46
Speaker 8: yet another government contract. I think I could probably snag
37:50
Speaker 8: pretty easily because I understand roads. Can you believe it?
37:53
Speaker 8: But I think there is potentially merit to this right
37:56
Speaker 8: because of course, if we're going to have population expansion,
37:59
Speaker 8: we will need more roads. You can't just have a
38:01
Speaker 8: train in and out of the new subject. There has
38:03
Speaker 8: to be a road of some description. And one of
38:05
Speaker 8: the things that contributes to carbon emissions is cars stopping
38:09
Speaker 8: and starting all the time, which means you need a
38:11
Speaker 8: good flow of traffic, which means you don't need roundabouts,
38:14
Speaker 8: and you don't need traffic lights. So if they can
38:17
Speaker 8: have no traffic lights and I can drive to work
38:19
Speaker 8: in the morning with no red lights, not only do
38:22
Speaker 8: I get places faster, it's better for the environments.
38:25
Speaker 3: But the other thing, of.
38:26
Speaker 8: Course, is that if you want a seriously environmentally friendly
38:29
Speaker 8: road in terms of emissions, it's got to go on
38:31
Speaker 8: a straight line. You can't go around.
38:32
Speaker 2: Hills and past trees.
38:34
Speaker 8: So we've just got to raise all the land because
38:36
Speaker 8: that'll be good for the environment, so we can have
38:38
Speaker 8: lower missions roads.
38:40
Speaker 1: I like a perfect sent Peter Dutton could go to
38:42
Speaker 1: the next election, save the environment, create an autobahn.
38:46
Speaker 8: I'm on board.
38:47
Speaker 2: That's absolutely amazing, Angela.
38:49
Speaker 1: Would they really decide not to build roads so that
38:51
Speaker 1: we have less cars?
38:53
Speaker 13: Oh, what are we going to do? Go back and
38:54
Speaker 13: live in caves and burn wood And that obviously has
38:57
Speaker 13: a mission anyway. But there's a problem in your thing though.
39:00
Speaker 13: You build that big autobarn and then you've got your
39:02
Speaker 13: CO two emissions.
39:03
Speaker 11: Right.
39:03
Speaker 13: What I think we should be putting our energy into
39:06
Speaker 13: is thinking about and really working hard on that technology
39:09
Speaker 13: that looks at how we do manage to pull se
39:12
Speaker 13: COEO two out of the atmosphere, different ways of doing that.
39:15
Speaker 13: Instead of always looking at what we had before, how
39:18
Speaker 13: we can improve on the old, Let's look at the
39:20
Speaker 13: really dynamic, exciting new Let's put science in tech at
39:24
Speaker 13: the forefront of that. Let's make Australia that that we are.
39:27
Speaker 13: And Scott Morrison hinted at this a couple few years ago.
39:30
Speaker 13: He said, you know, let he he trusted that we
39:32
Speaker 13: would find the way to solve the emissions problem. So
39:37
Speaker 13: if we're constantly looking. Yeah, look, there are great ways
39:39
Speaker 13: to make better roads, better aggregates, that sort of thing.
39:41
Speaker 13: But I'm really pro tech.
39:43
Speaker 1: I'm protech as well as long as I can still
39:45
Speaker 1: drive my forward Mustang, which I don't actually have. But
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Speaker 1: Caleb says, my birthday's coming up soon, and I'll get ah.
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Speaker 1: The White House has come out in defense of Joe Biden,
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Speaker 1: insisting the presidence.
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Speaker 2: Multiple gaffes and blunders fake news.
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Speaker 14: It tells you everything that we need to know about
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Speaker 14: how desperate, how desperate Republicans are here.
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Speaker 8: Uh.
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Speaker 14: And instead of talking about the President's performance in office,
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Speaker 14: and what I mean by that is his legislative wins,
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Speaker 14: what he's been able to do for the American people
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Speaker 14: across the country, we're seeing these deep fakes, uh, these
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Speaker 14: manipulated videos.
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Speaker 1: Well, I suppose if anyone is an expert on fake news,
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Speaker 1: it's the Biden White House.
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Speaker 2: But if Biden's blunders are.
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Speaker 1: All fake news, gee, there's been a lot of fake
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Speaker 1: news recently.
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Speaker 2: We'll never forget.
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Speaker 8: Anyway.
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Speaker 12: I just think that.
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Speaker 2: Lord a small business Winnerward winner, it's all just fake news.
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Speaker 1: But of course they do say denial is the first
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Speaker 1: stage of grief.
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Speaker 2: Is that what's happening to the mainstream media in the States.
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Speaker 8: Not just a river in Egypt? Is it? And it's
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Speaker 8: amazing to see the Biden camp now adopting the term
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Speaker 8: fake news, because of course fake news was popularized by
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Speaker 8: Donald Trump, and at the time, all the Democrats and
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Speaker 8: all the anti Trump is like, oh, you know, when
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Speaker 8: he says fake news, that really just means news he
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Speaker 8: doesn't like. So why don't we just turn that back
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Speaker 8: on the Democrats and say, well, if you're saying this
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Speaker 8: is fake news, let's live by your standards. It must
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Speaker 8: just be news you don't like. Because we can all
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Speaker 8: see that Biden ain't all there try and claim that's
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Speaker 8: fake news.
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Speaker 1: The irony is that the White House spokesperson was saying
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Speaker 1: that these videos are deep fakes. Well, that's fake news
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Speaker 1: because videos Angela. The Democrats surely are desperate if that's
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Speaker 1: the best they've got.
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Speaker 2: These videos have all been edited to.
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Speaker 1: Show Biden as senile when really he's fighting, fit and ready.
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Speaker 13: To go and look in same as within Normandy. Those
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Speaker 13: those images from Normandy A just I think they're really shocking. Look,
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Speaker 13: I think it's really interesting that debate, the first debate
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Speaker 13: is next Thursday. That's a ninety minute debate. There's no props,
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Speaker 13: there's no notes. I'm really interested to see how he
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Speaker 13: goes there. There's a long time obviously, between the end
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Speaker 13: of June and November. I think the Democrats have made
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Speaker 13: that early so then I actually have a think about
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Speaker 13: whether he is fit for presidents.
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Speaker 8: You know what they do have, Angela what rugs? Rugs
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Speaker 8: and they will find everyone.
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Speaker 13: Are they mostly sedatives? I can't if it was a
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Speaker 13: good Joe.
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Speaker 1: That's the last thing Joe Biden needs well. Sticking with America.
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Speaker 1: After mandating masks and threatening to hunt down people if
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Speaker 1: they refuse to mask up, New York City officials are
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Speaker 1: now proposing to ban masks in public places or let
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Speaker 1: Mayor Eric Adams explain.
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Speaker 12: People have hid under the guise of wearing a mask
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Speaker 12: for COVID to commit commit criminal action and bile actual
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Speaker 12: nineteen Now on the time to go back to the
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Speaker 12: wear work pre COVID. You should not be able to
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Speaker 12: wear a mask at protest in our subway systems and
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Speaker 12: other police.
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Speaker 2: So help me, Caleb. It's hard to keep up with this.
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Speaker 1: First you had to wear masks. Now you mustn't wear masks.
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Speaker 8: If it's not the consequences of your actions. Hey, I mean,
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Speaker 8: who would have thought Once upon a time, if someone
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Speaker 8: said that you had to wear a mask to go
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Speaker 8: into a bank, you would have told them to go
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Speaker 8: to the looney bin. It seemed that crazy, And then
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Speaker 8: of course that's what happened. And now they've realized that.
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Speaker 8: And it was when I was a court reporter during COVID.
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Speaker 8: All these people would go into court and then they
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Speaker 8: come out of court with a hoodie on and a
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Speaker 8: mask over their face, because of course they didn't want
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Speaker 8: to have their photo taken to pop up in the paper.
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Speaker 8: They worked out very quickly that it was the greatest
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Speaker 8: way to not be detected and get away with it
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Speaker 8: because you're doing a good thing for public health. I
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Speaker 8: love when these things blow up in their faces.
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Speaker 1: Andelwa as Caleb said, it is to be expected, right.
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Speaker 1: Once you've got people wearing masks everywhere, criminal elements see
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Speaker 1: it as a wonderful opportunity.
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Speaker 13: I think it's fantastic opportunism actually, but I'm really worried it.
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Speaker 13: Like flu season, they're not going to have their masks
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Speaker 13: on in New York and if you're on the subway,
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Speaker 13: in New York during winter. You actually want people to
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Speaker 13: have their masks and so yeah. Look, but great opportunism
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Speaker 13: by these guys. Fantastic.
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Speaker 1: It is very hard to keep up with government advice.
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Speaker 1: Caleb Angela, thanks so much for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: Well. Next over in the UK.
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Speaker 1: The rise of Nigel Faraga's Reform UK Party is shaking
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Speaker 1: up the election as the Conservatives head for an historic wipeout.
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Speaker 1: I'll be catching up with Tom Slater in just a moment. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's turn to the UK election. The Conservative Party is
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Speaker 1: fully imploding and Labor by all accounts, is set for
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Speaker 1: a landslide victory. What's not certain is the future of
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Speaker 1: the opposition. With Rishi Sunek's Conservative Party set to be
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Speaker 1: smashed at the polls, is Nigel Farage about to become
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Speaker 1: the main opposition? Farage is promising to ax net zero,
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Speaker 1: introduce mandatory life sentences for drug dealers, freeze non essential integration,
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Speaker 1: pulled the UK out of global's bodies like the World
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Speaker 1: Health Organization and reject the influence of the World Economic Forum.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in Spiked Online editor Tom Slater. Tom, thanks
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Speaker 1: for joining me. A fascinating time in UK politics just
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Speaker 1: before we get to feras. You've described the Tories as
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Speaker 1: a pointless husk, which is.
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Speaker 2: A bit full on.
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Speaker 1: How is it the Tories have lost so much of
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Speaker 1: the British population's confidence.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think that the Tories in the way of
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Speaker 9: Brexit had a golden opportunity to kind of remake themselves.
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Speaker 9: For a very long time, it wasn't clear what they
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Speaker 9: were for who they were for. But because of Brexit
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Speaker 9: in twenty nineteen and Boris Johnson, they suddenly had this
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Speaker 9: new working class base that was the one chance for renewal,
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Speaker 9: and then they completely blew it. They reverted to backstabbing type.
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Speaker 9: They let everyone and his dog have a go at
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Speaker 9: being leader of the Conservative Party, leader of the country
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Speaker 9: after they got rid of Boris Johnson, and they completely
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Speaker 9: forgot the voters, those working class voters in the middlelands
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Speaker 9: of the North who put them there. So I do
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Speaker 9: kind of think they deserve every thing they're getting at
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Speaker 9: this point. And whilst I understand the concerns about what
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Speaker 9: a huge labor landslide might mean for our civil liberties
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Speaker 9: for our country, I think it's fair seven stories have
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Speaker 9: brought this on themselves, including the Farage insurgency, which I'm
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Speaker 9: sure we're going to come on to as well.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've pointed out how bad the Conservatives are,
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Speaker 1: but obviously Farage is pretty good and winning favor amongst people.
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Speaker 1: Some of the policies I mentioned in the introduction there
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Speaker 1: is that what is sort of making headway as are
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Speaker 1: those sorts of things resonating with your average Britain or
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Speaker 1: is something else going on for Farage?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think that the primary thing that he's tapped
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Speaker 9: into is concerns about immigration, and this is something which
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Speaker 9: obviously both of the two main parties, Conservatives and Labor,
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Speaker 9: have terrible records on as far as votes as a concerned,
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Speaker 9: and he's very much tried to frame this as the
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Speaker 9: immigration election in a situation in which neither parties wanted
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Speaker 9: to talk about it too much. That's been very effective.
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Speaker 9: I think also he's been a better fishtory of the
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Speaker 9: fact that there is a very anti politics mood at
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Speaker 9: the moment. It's something that has benefited the Labor Party.
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Speaker 9: But I think a lot of twenty nineteen voters in particular,
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Speaker 9: who were thinking of even not voting, sitting on their hands.
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Speaker 9: Maybe some of them would go back into the labor column,
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Speaker 9: have now got something which more aligns with what it
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Speaker 9: is they want to vote for. And I think, regardless
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Speaker 9: of what you think of for I think sickly for
47:20
Speaker 9: those of us whore having to cover this. Even his
47:22
Speaker 9: worst enemy would admit that he's live and things up.
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Speaker 9: Up until this point we were faced with the most
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Speaker 9: deathly dull kind of competition between Kiir Sarma and Rishie Sunak,
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Speaker 9: who are essentially two competing flavors of Blemond. So I think,
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Speaker 9: aside from anything else, it has stirred up a genuine
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Speaker 9: debate about the future of the country, which would have
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Speaker 9: been completely absent had he not thrown his hat into
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Speaker 9: the ring so emphatically a week or two ago.
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Speaker 1: When you say that voters there are faced with two
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Speaker 1: pretty bland options. I was watching the debates and I
47:48
Speaker 1: had to laugh when Rishie Sunek was asked tell us
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Speaker 1: something about yourself that will make people like you again,
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Speaker 1: which must have been incredibly humiliating. How we've only got
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Speaker 1: a little bit of time left. But I wanted to
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Speaker 1: quickly ask you about Kis Starmer, who obviously will likely
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Speaker 1: be the next UK Prime minister. You call him the slipperiest,
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Speaker 1: most unprincipled politician the UK has seen in many years,
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Speaker 1: and possibly the most slippery PM the UK will ever
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Speaker 1: have had. In that thirty seconds, why do you say that?
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Speaker 1: Tell us about him?
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Speaker 9: He is you turned on essentially everything every issue you
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Speaker 9: could imagine. You could talk about Brexit, you could talk
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Speaker 9: about women's rights, you can talk about the gender issue,
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Speaker 9: you talk about the environment, any of these questions. He
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Speaker 9: does just point which every way the wind is blowing.
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Speaker 9: And I think that's a big problem in a democracy.
48:34
Speaker 9: When you voted a politician, you've hoped to know what
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Speaker 9: they stand for. Even at this point we have no
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Speaker 9: clue where Kis star More is.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately well, we are all watching to see what happens.
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Speaker 1: Tom Slader, appreciate your time. That's all I've got time
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Speaker 1: for tonight, But don't go anywhere. Coming right up is
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Speaker 1: Paul Murray Live.