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Ep. 222: Morels in the Time of Covid · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: gonna start out with this is a segment called Love
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  Speaker 1: in the Time of covid Um. Joe Frigno Ferronado's it's
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  Speaker 1: Joe's middle name. No one knows. Joe Ferronado's middle name
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  Speaker 1: is Friggno. Uh. It's a secret that I would like
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  Speaker 1: to keep, but you had ruined that for me. Your
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  Speaker 1: big wedding. The wedding has been a real problem for
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  Speaker 1: me because I wanted to go. I want to go
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  Speaker 1: to a wedding. Yeah, I hate, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: leave very early. I leave weddings real early. But I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to go anyway. And then we had a live
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  Speaker 1: show which conflicted with your wedding, and the live show
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  Speaker 1: got canceled because the global pandemic. Um. If we had
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  Speaker 1: the live show, I was gonna have a part of
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  Speaker 1: the live show be that Joe streams in from his wedding.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna have we has a screen arranged. What was
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  Speaker 1: the what night? What venue was going to coincide with
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  Speaker 1: the he was Pittsburgh? Is that what it was? Whatever
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  Speaker 1: the hell we're getting We even had it timed out,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna catch Joe around the middle of our show.
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  Speaker 1: He'd probably faced one. I could only because it's like
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  Speaker 1: nine or ten at night and he's gonna call in.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna zap him onto the screen and
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  Speaker 1: and see how it was going. See if you had
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  Speaker 1: any regrets from earlier in the day when he got married.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully that wouldn't have happened if he'd come out and
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  Speaker 1: been like, dude, I don't know what I was thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Things have changed, but you still have your tuxs on, Joe, Um,
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  Speaker 1: so what are you gonna do now? Like what happens
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  Speaker 1: you go down to the courthouse, like, are you gonna
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  Speaker 1: have a wedding? Well, as of right now, we're we're
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  Speaker 1: still going forward with the plans because I mean, we're
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  Speaker 1: getting married up in Lakeside or we want to get
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  Speaker 1: married in Lakeside, and uh, to tell people a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more because I don't know how many lake sides
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  Speaker 1: there are in this lakeside Montana up one more than one,
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  Speaker 1: probably quite a few. Real quick. This ties into my
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  Speaker 1: wedding and how there's a lot of lake sides. When
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  Speaker 1: I got married in Michigan, I grew up in town
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  Speaker 1: called Twin Lake. And one of my bodies from New York, like,
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  Speaker 1: it's coming to the wedding and we're having like the
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  Speaker 1: pre party, what you call the pre party, and he
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  Speaker 1: never shows up for the pre party, like Harley should
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  Speaker 1: be here, you know. He never showed up. And eventually
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  Speaker 1: he calls, He's like, well, I'm in Twin Lakes. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: what do you see? Goes by the water tower, Mike, dude,
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  Speaker 1: just the water tower anywhere around here? And he was
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  Speaker 1: in the wrong Twin Lake, Like, how wrong? How far away?
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  Speaker 1: I think? He's like three or four hours he went
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  Speaker 1: to I guess what it was because I didn't even
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  Speaker 1: know this place existed. I was from Twin Lake. He
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  Speaker 1: went to Twin Lakes. I was like, there's such a
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  Speaker 1: thing called Twin Lakes. So ways clarify that before you
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  Speaker 1: send out your wedding invitations because you're lakeside people are
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  Speaker 1: gonna be scattered all around the country. Yeah, lakeside, Montana,
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  Speaker 1: up on Flathead Lake in the Flathead Valley. Um. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that's where we're planning on getting married. And as
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  Speaker 1: of right now, we haven't canceled anything because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as everyone knows, it's all changing daily and Montana seems
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  Speaker 1: like it's in a fairly decent spot and things are
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  Speaker 1: starting to open back up. So kind of yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: kind of that. I like how they opened uh, I
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  Speaker 1: like how they opened gyms but didn't open yoga. It's
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  Speaker 1: like so like prejudice against yoga. You could go lift weight,
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  Speaker 1: but you can't stretchy. Don't be stretchy. Don't be stretchy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So we're waiting until June second. I believe it is
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  Speaker 1: the date where we have to tell all our vendors
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  Speaker 1: if we reschedule. Oh yeah, are the vendors are cool? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Are they very cool about it? We found some good
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  Speaker 1: Montana folks that it was very helpful a date in
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  Speaker 1: mind if this does get canceled. Leg is there a
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  Speaker 1: backup plan already in place? Uh? Nothing during hunting season,
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  Speaker 1: So we're we're heavily debating on when probably would be, now,
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  Speaker 1: do you want to be married or do you want
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  Speaker 1: to have a wedding? I want to be married. Yeah, listen,
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  Speaker 1: well we I'm married. Phil, you're married. Uh, Steve, you're married.
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  Speaker 1: I'm married. Al so good out. So you gotta okay,
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  Speaker 1: raise your hand and tap your mic so people at
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  Speaker 1: home could follow along. If you think having a wedding
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  Speaker 1: is stupid, you have never stay out of this cow.
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  Speaker 1: I'm tapping mine, Phil tap time, Spencer not happing. Oh
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  Speaker 1: you'd like that, like listen, being married last a long time,
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  Speaker 1: Like why kick it off in such an expensive way?
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be exp We had a wedding.
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  Speaker 1: I just like after I didn't like it passed. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even realize it happened and it was over. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the idea is you only do it once, so then
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  Speaker 1: it's like not that expensive. You're just gonna do it
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  Speaker 1: one time. Oh, because you're like, I'm gonna amortize this
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  Speaker 1: across yeah years, Like you know, some people thought about
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  Speaker 1: wedding is expensive, but then I only got married twice,
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  Speaker 1: and there's people get married five times. That's a different story.
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  Speaker 1: If this was like a once a decade thing, no,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. But I'm good with it, just like one time.
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  Speaker 1: I I enjoy weddings. I enjoyed my own wedding. I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking forward to Joe's wedding. See when I get And
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  Speaker 1: I hesitate to say this because I, uh, when I
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  Speaker 1: get a wedding invitation, Um, Joe's notwithstanding. I'm serious, Joe's
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  Speaker 1: notwithstanding because I have zero obligations at Joe's wedding if
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  Speaker 1: I was to go to it right, like, no, I
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  Speaker 1: have to talk to no one. But when it's someone
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  Speaker 1: that you're gonna wind up having to talk to a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people. When I get the invitation, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: excited to get it. In my mind, I just picture like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's an evening of small aimless small talk. But that's
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  Speaker 1: what the open bars for. I don't drink as much,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just one more night on the calendar. Dry wedding.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't look forward to you as much. I got it.
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  Speaker 1: I got married in the in the courthouse. But I
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  Speaker 1: love going on other people's wedding. Well, why did you
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  Speaker 1: tap your mike? You didn't even get married, You didn't
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  Speaker 1: have a wedding because he thought, Yeah, I thought, because
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was stupid early on. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad I did not have a big wedding, but I
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  Speaker 1: love it when other other people have big weddings. Had
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  Speaker 1: you had you gotten your woman? Um? Was she pregnant?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so you guys ran down the courthouse? Yeah
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  Speaker 1: I love it really Yeah, good for you. Hey, thanks
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  Speaker 1: in my family. Yeah, that's why cal doesn't get to
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  Speaker 1: go to a lot of weddings. They just kind of
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  Speaker 1: have they come and go real quick. So so there
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  Speaker 1: you are you still gonna You're gonna try to do it?
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  Speaker 1: You don't? What are you are you? Um? We were
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  Speaker 1: laughing earlier about civil disobedience and Joe was like trying
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  Speaker 1: to figure out if he was gonna do civil disobedience. Um,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I'm like. Like, let's say they say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: no gatherings of blank? Would you cut your list back?
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  Speaker 1: Would you be like you that I could have my
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  Speaker 1: wedding when they private for my cold dead hands? Like,
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  Speaker 1: what would be your attitude toward it? Um, I'd probably
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  Speaker 1: cut the list back because I invited a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people that I didn't want there anyway. So so sorry
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  Speaker 1: for the folks that are listening to this, Well, they're
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  Speaker 1: not going to know if them they might have a suspicion. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: if I have to cut the list back, they might know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's a good point. But we'll probably cancel it
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  Speaker 1: or postpone it and then go to the courthouse and
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  Speaker 1: then maybe just have a party later. Yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 1: good way to do it too. I just dig the
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  Speaker 1: party part of it. Like I like the open bar.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody really cares about the ceremony, right, Like the ceremony
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  Speaker 1: and everybody's like, okay, cool, get this over with and
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  Speaker 1: now let's go party. Spencer, if you just got invited
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  Speaker 1: to an open bar, would that be great? Yeah? Ideal.
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  Speaker 1: I like, that's just the invitations open bar, wedding and
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  Speaker 1: open bar this location. But you have to dress up.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay, It's it's worth it. Some people really like
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  Speaker 1: the dressing up. How long you've been dating? Three years?
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  Speaker 1: Four years? Four years? People should know that when they
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  Speaker 1: write in an email, UM, it might not immediately pass
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  Speaker 1: through Joe's hands with a pat When they write an
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  Speaker 1: email asking a question or sending like a crazy photo
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  Speaker 1: of something, UM, it enters Joe's spear, It enters Joe's
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  Speaker 1: sphere of influence. It does and when they he's the gatekeeper.
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  Speaker 1: When they send terrible photos, they should put a warning
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  Speaker 1: before I opened those. Yeah, you're gonna have PTSD from
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  Speaker 1: some of our finger removal photos that come your way.
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  Speaker 1: See those aren't that bad. I just hated the chaffing
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  Speaker 1: conversation people. What kind of photos again? I got a
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  Speaker 1: picture of a dude's gooch like hand covering the balls, Like,
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  Speaker 1: look at this chaffing. You didn't afford it to me. No,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't spell out of my chair right there next
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  Speaker 1: to cal Uh, I'm wishing you're the best man. Well thanks,
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  Speaker 1: not the best man, but the best man man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I like that. Hope works out. Speaking of the writing
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, how many people do you think are going
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  Speaker 1: to invite Spencer to their wedding. I'll be there, not
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  Speaker 1: like September through December. I'll make it happen. Yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: you if you're a little like my exposure to people
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  Speaker 1: getting married has been that they're trying to find ways
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  Speaker 1: to get out of inviting people. But if you're in
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  Speaker 1: a situation where you're trying to like look for people
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  Speaker 1: to invite, Uh, Spencer is your man, but don't don't
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  Speaker 1: have it. It can't be like a B y o B.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be are you are you cool about a
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  Speaker 1: tip jar? Or is that just too much that that
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  Speaker 1: just really ruins your time? Now I'm going to the
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  Speaker 1: tip bar, cash bar, is it's still okay? But like
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  Speaker 1: an open bar, no tip jar, not even a tip
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  Speaker 1: jar up there, like a no tips sign please. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's part of like the open bar because there's
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  Speaker 1: usually a tip jar, so you don't mind. What are
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on? Like the oh no, there is just
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  Speaker 1: an our complimentary happy hour. You get your money's worth,
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  Speaker 1: get your money's worth. This was in college. Um there
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  Speaker 1: was a place at every Wednesday night at two furs
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  Speaker 1: and like if if we were ever you feel like
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  Speaker 1: me and my friends were ever on the fence about
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  Speaker 1: going and be like, well you're losing money if you
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  Speaker 1: don't go. Uh, And that always worked and so that's
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  Speaker 1: that's like that'd be my attitude towards a one hour deal,
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  Speaker 1: Like you you really get your money's worth, go hard
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  Speaker 1: and then you grab like one or two drinks right
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  Speaker 1: at the buzzer of like the last year, and you
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  Speaker 1: know you got to like I need a round for
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  Speaker 1: me and my six friends. Yeah, yeah, that's the way
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  Speaker 1: to do it. So what about are you okay with
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  Speaker 1: like free beer and wine and then you have to
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  Speaker 1: pay for your own Yeah, that's that's all cool too.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay. He just drinks a lot of beer and wine.
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  Speaker 1: He comes out of red teeth. That's right. If I don't,
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  Speaker 1: if I don't like what's on the menu, then I
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  Speaker 1: like it that night, that's fine, I like it. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: One time I had to go to a wedding and
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  Speaker 1: my wife couldn't go, and so I want my wife's
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  Speaker 1: friend instead. And this wedding was early wedding and they
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  Speaker 1: were serving drinks before the service. I was this is
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  Speaker 1: back when I used like to pull a cork. I
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  Speaker 1: was going to do that. I was like, I was full.
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  Speaker 1: I was drunk before the wedding started. And that's playing
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  Speaker 1: with fire. Yeah, I remember how we calculate this, but
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  Speaker 1: I remember thinking that reviewed in my mind the next day,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that I had had eighteen mixed drinks that day. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it went in a long time. In fact, someone caught
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  Speaker 1: their hair on their their hair on fire at that wedding.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they had a lot of hair sprayer something
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  Speaker 1: to lean into a candle no harm done though, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: moving on, I fear I'm coming off real cheap here,
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  Speaker 1: not at all at all. I really enjoy celebrations and
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  Speaker 1: parties and saving money, that's right, that's right. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: and free booze. No, I don't think that that. That
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  Speaker 1: doesn't that's not off putting to me. It's like, we
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  Speaker 1: get up. Okay, Spencer's gonna else about a Morrell breakthrough
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  Speaker 1: which we're following. Uh it was it was on this
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  Speaker 1: show that we talked about the man who died under
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  Speaker 1: mysterious circumstances. Uh oh shoot, see how I caught myself?
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  Speaker 1: Shoot shoot, um, yeah, we need to review that. Do
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  Speaker 1: you know about this? Yeah? I was on that. What
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  Speaker 1: I had too was like, yeah that was a podcast,
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  Speaker 1: but no, it was our We did a live event
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  Speaker 1: zoom event on YouTube the internet. Yeah. I want to
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: cover Cow's. Uh. I don't know what it is yet,
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  Speaker 1: but I know there's something to do with cowl and
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  Speaker 1: some mushrooms shavings. But before we get into that, Cow's
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  Speaker 1: my note here is Cow's mushroom shavings. Um tell about
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about why Morrel's, like why Morrell's are cool,
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  Speaker 1: and we're saying you know they taste good, but beyond
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  Speaker 1: that that is cool because they're they're unowned, they're wild. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're not gonna like go down to Albertson's, your High
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  Speaker 1: v or wherever you get your groceries and just like
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  Speaker 1: pick them up next to the potatoes. Good a fresh morale,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, that's that's part of the mystique and
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  Speaker 1: what makes morale such an enigma, and so part of
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  Speaker 1: what we talked about on that beers and bowl, which
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  Speaker 1: you can go find on our YouTube channel. You you
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  Speaker 1: proud to me, Steven to tell me something I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about morales, and so this is what I told you,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't know it about. Ronald will do a
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  Speaker 1: gig now I know. Ronald o Er he was a
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  Speaker 1: grad student at San Francisco State University in two and
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  Speaker 1: he cracked the code on morales. He figured out how
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  Speaker 1: to grow them when no one else had been able
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  Speaker 1: to the world's greatest minds have been at this. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: there's like in the world's greatest minds, my cology minds.
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  Speaker 1: What is that which which I'm sure everybody from the
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  Speaker 1: Manhattan Project actually they got the atomic bomb, they all
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  Speaker 1: moved over to Morrel's I would still bed that mycology
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  Speaker 1: people are some of the world's greatest minds, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna stick with that. They've been working on this.
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  Speaker 1: There's been like business interests from places to solve this issue.
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  Speaker 1: Universities have have started programs and they crumbled because they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't do it. Michigan State was the most recent one.
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  Speaker 1: They gave it a shot, and I think after a
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  Speaker 1: few years, um, they stopped the refforts because it wasn't happening, Like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: do you have it? You don't need to know this.
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  Speaker 1: It's still interesting, but why why is it hard to
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  Speaker 1: why is it hard to get a morell to take?
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  Speaker 1: Or if I could answer that, then I would grow them. Well, no,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: because you could say to me like, um, why is
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  Speaker 1: it hard to split into atom? And I would say,
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  Speaker 1: I think it has something to do with how small
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  Speaker 1: they are. That I don't have the answer too, because
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  Speaker 1: you can't hit it with an act, that's right. So
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  Speaker 1: all these people have tried and failed to grow morales
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  Speaker 1: except for Roanoo, where this grad student San Francisco University
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  Speaker 1: he figured it out and uh he was the first
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  Speaker 1: per in to successfully harvest lab grown morale mushrooms. And
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  Speaker 1: this is true. This is true. This is true. But
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  Speaker 1: three months before his patent was granted, he was murdered. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I love it, and uh he left behind by the
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  Speaker 1: wild morrel lovers society. Is my I've dug into this
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  Speaker 1: store and I wish there were more to I wish
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  Speaker 1: I could generate some kind of conspiracy theory that it
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  Speaker 1: was like Papa John and Jimmy John and and uh
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  Speaker 1: Dave Thomas were after him, but they couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: But it was It goes that it was teenagers in
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  Speaker 1: a park and it was a botched mugging and that's
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  Speaker 1: that's what killed Ronald or Yeah, you know what, Jeffrey
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  Speaker 1: Epstein hung himself. Yeah, that that's a perfect star to conspiracy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so with the grave over too, a good conspiracy theory,
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  Speaker 1: Um what a good conspiracy theory needs. It needs that
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  Speaker 1: that the dory that there's just always a little part
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  Speaker 1: missing right, there's a little something that's not right, and
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  Speaker 1: that is the fertilizer of a conspiracy. There, like like
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  Speaker 1: why like why did Jack Ruby kill Lee Harvey Oswald?
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  Speaker 1: You can't explain it. It's like you can't explain it.
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  Speaker 1: So they're in lies the like the thing. Yeah there's
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  Speaker 1: other parts but two but like there in lies the like.
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  Speaker 1: Until you explain that to me, I will believe everything
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  Speaker 1: anyone tells me. And and part of what is like
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  Speaker 1: generated more interests around this than that it may be warrants,
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  Speaker 1: is that he had a lucrative contract with Domino's Pizza
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  Speaker 1: to like grow morales and give them the formula. And
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  Speaker 1: like any good patent, he Little Caesars was the little Caesars.
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  Speaker 1: They thought those kids, because he's so short. The little
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  Speaker 1: Caesar's game must have been it got spear, that little spirit,
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  Speaker 1: a little rowe uh and and his patent language was
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  Speaker 1: vague enough that anybody can go find it, but they
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  Speaker 1: haven't been able to replicate it. So this is what
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  Speaker 1: we we talked about last time. He took it to
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  Speaker 1: the grave, took it to the grave, took it to
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: the to the pyre. Now, within the last few days,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a story out of I think the Des Moines Register
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: maybe has talked about a mushroom farmer um and I
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: think vinter Iowa is what it was called, who is
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: on track to harvest hundreds of pounds of morales. This year,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: or a hundred pounds of brows of of ones that
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: he has grown. Oh, I just thought he's out at
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: dark Durance Farm. Maybe he's grown them at his farm.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: And he said he told the reporter that he wants
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to harvest a thousand pounds next spring and he thinks
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: he can do it. And after we get done with
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the podcast, and I have a phone call with him
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: to hear about like what if if Ronald Over's patent
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: had any inspiration? If he can tell me any details
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: about what he's doing, Um, how long he's been working
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: on it, things like that. He did say on his
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Facebook page that he will start selling Morale mushroom grow
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: kids this fall. Whoa which which? But you said that
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of grow kids on the internet right now.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: You could go buy a number of different Morale mushroom
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: grow kids. You know, dog seeds, Morrel's dog durn. No,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I'm saying not Morel's dog seeds mushrooms. Yes you can,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you cannot. Cal was saying that you can take a chainsaw.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Tell this, Cal. Yeah, I had folks right in and
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a couple of folks that I've known for a while
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: that uh, they'll take all their little mushroom trimmings and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: stuff and put it in blend it up, put it
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: in their bar and chain oil. No, I thought you're
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: saying you put it in canola oil. Well, that's that's
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: for the organic people. Yeah, but that's what are using
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: for bar and chain yeah. Uh. And then when they're
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: cutting stumps, they feel like they're seeding in the right
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: in there. Yeah. Yeah. But there's like there's a big
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: difference between what you're going to talk about, Cal and
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: just like taking the water that you wash morales with
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and tossing that across your lawn and then maybe having
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the morale a few morales grow. Like there's a big
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: difference between that and commercial farming them. Absolutely, and that
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: sounds like a morale magnet. Oh if you know about this.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: But this guy, he finds them where they don't exist.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: This guy and I will claims you have have done it,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and and until until I talked to him even then,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and like he does this year over year, I'll be
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: skeptical because cal could go light the Bridger Mountains on
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: fire and then go harvest thousands of pounds of moral
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: mushrooms next year. But that doesn't mean that he farmed
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: them or grew them. This guy just must like could
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: be in uh an advantageous place when he's lighting fires,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: not in a till the fires, but like, uh, just
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: something stressed out and the morales grew this year and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: he thinks, oh, uh, you know I did this thing,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: so this is the result. I can replicate it again
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: next year in the year after that. At the time
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: people hear this, you'll have spoke to this gentleman. That's right. Uh.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I have some suggestions the questions I would ask him. Well,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I I called him like on my way here because
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I've been trying to track down his phone number and
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: he was actively picking morale mushrooms but it was raining.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: He's like, okay, talk, It's exactly what he said. So
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that's that's why the phone calls. Uh. He's I would
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: be curious about to ask him one you can take
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: care of my question about like um and a couple
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: of sentences explaining me like why is it hard? M not.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: You don't need to give me trade secrets, but just
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: why is it hard? My next question would be do
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: you fear for your life? Oh? I love that good job.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a chance he's never even like he's
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: even familiar with this story. So yeah, better beef up
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that security, stay out of parks late at night. Um,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I okay. One time is at a party I found
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: out that there is a professor of mycology at the
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: same party. I immediately corner that poor individual. Open bar.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: It was a very open bar, and Spencer, Spencer's he
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: could picture it. I'm in and I'm just peppering him
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: with every moral question I have. And I love picking mushrooms. Um,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: this sounds like a great party, very open bar. End
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: of mycology person there, believe it somost like it's almost
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: like someone designed him. There were foresters, there were my colleges.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: It was a great time for somebody who's not any
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: of those things but loves questions, loves asking questions. Um.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: And I would ask him question about more else and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: he'd like, well it could be this, it could be that,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: but you know, nobody really knows. And I have another question,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Well it could be this could be that, but nobody
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: really knows. And so eventually I got to the point
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: where I was like, so, let me get this straight.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: You teach a class and you get paid to do this,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: but you don't have any answers to any questions. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: he's like, Yep, it's a pretty good gig. It's like
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: multiple choice questions, um, like which of these things don't
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: we know? Stuff like that. But as far as like
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the commercial harvesting goes, uh, I mean there are I
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: have run into like these mega camps of folks that
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: follow mushrooms around the country and commercial pickers, commercial pickers,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of people from Southeast Asia. Yeah,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and and man, just some real rednecks too. I mean
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: it's it's a colorful American rednecks. Yeah. But you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I have spots that um are not marked by fire.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Most of them would be like old logging operations that
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: have have you know, come back with some undergrowth and
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: stuff that I have consistently picked over and over and
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: over again for five, six, seven years. Um. Some years
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: are better than than others. But you're constantly just paying
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: attention to the weather. Um. And you know, there's just
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: all sorts of things that can kind of make that
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: snap happen and mushrooms start shooting up. So um, yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm dying to know because yeah, I've spread mushroom
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: spores all over, and like I put down in that
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: article that you helped me with, um like I have
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: when I'm packing mushrooms around, I do my best to
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: let those spores drop on the ground as I'm packing
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: them around the woods before I had head for home.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I've heard that, and I don't know where this is
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: that because this is something that I heard a long
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: long time ago when I first started to develop an
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: interest in wild mushrooms. But I remember seeing where someone
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: saying that, like sewing spores. Maybe not hesitate to say
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: this because it's kind of been negated by the fact
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that you can seed mushrooms, but someone saying that, like
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you carrying your morals in a basket, say so that
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the spores can fall out that that that's like it's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: laughable that that would be effective. And the argument, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I don't I'm not weighing in on this, I'm just
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: selling like an argument that was articulated to me was
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: that their omnipresent. Yeah, so you know they've done these studies.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I remember looking at this one time they went and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: doing a school, okay, and they like came in with
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: some mushroom or and other in a sealed container. And
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: they opened it in a room of the school, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: they waited periods of time and took air samples right
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: around the school, and like how long it was till
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that until spores from that mushroom could be located no
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: matter where you took an air sample in the school.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I think I'm getting this right. Uh. And they were
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: saying that it's like all the spores are everywhere. It's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: just is it suitable. Like the limiting factor is the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: suitability of the habitat. The limiting factor is not the
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: presence of the seed. But then, um, the fact that
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I personally know people who seed and yield and get
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: wild mushrooms kind of like flies in the face of that. Yeah. Yeah,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and and and this guy, this professor at this party
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: was except for the fact that you're making the habitat too. Yeah,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: You're not just throwing seeds around, You're making habitat. And
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and I because the host of the party, um was
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: one of my mushroom picking buddies. And he has like
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the big custom packed basket. And part of the deal
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: with the basket is not only breathability for your mushrooms
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: so to keep getting all funky, but also to let
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: those spores drop, and he was just like, man, it's
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: like there's spores on this kitchen counter right now, there's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: spores on the freaking lamp post outside. He's like they're
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: just He's like, they are everywhere. It's like coronavirus. Man.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And I have found on those days, you know, it's
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: like good soaking rain and then all of a sudden
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: it's kind of muggy in the morning and eighty degrees.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: And I have found mushrooms in crazy places because all
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, like god, it's just kind of mushroom weather,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and I just look, Yeah, you found one, uh, gravel
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: patch next to a manhole cover in downtown Boise. Yeah,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: exactly exactly. When I was a tree man, we would
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: now and then find morell's growing out of wood chips.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, And it'd be like you're just being
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: a hard or whatever, or even in a place where
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: like because you tread bark when you're tree man, you
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: just have a lot of exposure to wood chips and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: bark and whatnot. And now and then you'd see we're
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: almost shredded. Um, you know, an apple tree or cotton
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: wood or somehow there was some mycelium there. I don't
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: really know how it works. And then nowhere near a
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: living specimen of the tree that it would associate with
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: would be a moral sticking out of a wood chip pile.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: And I always just made the assumption that that was
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: a you know, like an appropriate host tree that has
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: been ground up and carried like the requisite Yeah that,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and then it just found the requisite whatever. And then
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: here it is growing in some dudes it makes a shade, sun, heat,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: cold water. Yeah. Here it was growing like out of
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: a wood chip pile on top of a guy's driveway
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: or something. You know. Yeah, I don't have a lot
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: of faith that like carrying morales in a basket or
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: like a mesh bag will help you probably get more
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: morale mushrooms in the future. Um, I think it's been
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: showing it, like they release most of their spores as
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: soon as they emerge from the ground. But it's like
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon talks about with his super extensive set and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: control process that he does for white tails, to like,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: if it gives him a one percent chance better odds
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of killing that deer or something like that, then he's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: going to do it. And this is just like such
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: a low, just like such a low effort thing to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: do that. If it helps, awesome, If it doesn't, You're
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: not like giving up anything. When people say like do
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you really need do you really need camo to kill
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: an elk? I'm like, uh, proved to me that it hurts,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: proved to me that it's a deficit. You know. Yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and where's our definitions of needs right now? Um? But
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the big thing for me for air, oh you're those
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: baskets and mesh bags and stuff like that, is you
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: will get like if you're not careful, like you leave
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a bunch of morales in a cooler, uh or a
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: plastic bag or you know, something that lacks that breatheability,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you will get within you know, six seven hours, a
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: white mold forming on on those rooms, which which I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: have eaten plenty of times because I wasn't gonna give
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: up on the mushroom. But um, it doesn't look good.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I was actively drying some morrells when I got a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: call with my dad tell me he has six months
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to live. That's interesting. He was dead on nuts too,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: because he died like just right after Christmas Day, so
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you could go dead, amls. He's like Steve how's this
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: date worked for it? I'll be there and you don't
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: have any disdain for morrels, then, no, I just remember that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: I remember like where I was staying, what I was doing.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: We've taken the like cal we were talking about. We
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: had taken the door off the We've taken the screen
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: door off the house, put it over to saw horses
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and were drying Morrell's out of it. And the phone rang.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: That's wild. Oh no, but you didn't explain the mushroom shaving.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So I picked a bunch mushrooms, not a bunch,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: but my first ones of the year when I was
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: out chasing turkeys around. Uh what were those mushrooms doing? So? Uh?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: It was odd. So they're real dark, like the mushrooms
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: that you would associate with burn more cell eton or
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: not more cella escalanta. I don't know. I don't know
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: if this stuff is all wise or not. The big yellows,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the big these were, these were you know, dark, more
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: towards black brown, more con yep, more coney, more more
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: cell econicas, and they were they were in a I
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: mean old burn. But you know it's coming back. That
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: country burns all the time. Anyway, Um, it was like, oh,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: that's cool. And and there's a pretty good pile of them.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And you know those are leafy tops have that kind
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: of annoying pocket on the inside of them, are leafy
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: you know, three D tops, the first light one. But
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know, an annoying pocket there. Yeah, it's kind
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: of hidden in there. But it's a big mash pocket
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: turns on. I mean that's pretty and it's real soft.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Pretty ideal for packing mushrooms was built into that. Yeah,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: and the mushroom pocket and then uh and they're like, oh,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you must be a turkey hunter. Um. And then the
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: next day complete like you know that clay soil out
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: in eastern Montana. This is on a an old two
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: track that hadn't even been driven on, and all the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: little like mole mounds coming up. There was some like
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: bright yellow kind of golden morales, two of them growing
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: out of that. Yes. I was just okay, sure, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I spent ten minutes looking around and not a mushroom
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: around there. Yeah. But so anyway, um, just enough to eat. Um.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: So I that chunky albeit that you gave me a
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: long time ago. Yeah. Yeah, last summer, Um, I cooked
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: up the Morrel's and threw them on top of that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: helbitt and it was real tasty. And then all the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: little trimmings, including all the you know, the gills on
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the outside that kind of fell off. I just, you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I couldn't just throw those in the compost bucket. I
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: just evenly distributed them amongst all the plants that I
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: have in the in the in the house. Because you're
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: trying to spread the love out, or because you're like,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: who knows, maybe someday I'll come home. There will be
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: a morals If it gives me a one percent chance, yeah,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: tell me how it would make it less likely that
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the more grew out of that flower pot. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: I don't care what time of day it is. I
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: will be calling you and be like, holy you gotta
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: get over here. The ice fishing things, I've had my
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: list of stuff, but what I ever got around you?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: But I just want to hit on him real quick.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: This guy's talking about His name is Stu Beard, Like
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: he's talking about fishing. One time and big wind Gus
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: came along and flipped his ice shack off of him. Okay, well,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: another guy rolled in about his wife. They get that
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: they're moving spots, and they pull all the gear out
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: and he unstakes the shanty and she decides to pee
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: in the whole real quick before they pull the shandy
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: down within the wind. He pulled the stakes out, so
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: then she's in the middle of pe and the wind
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: blows the shanty off. This guy is saying that the
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: wind blows the shanty off, the shandy like grabs his rod.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: His rod pulls up it's hood the rods like in
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the shandy. The shanty is blowing off across the lake,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: but his hook on his tear drop comes out of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the hole, hooks the meat of his hand and he's
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: like then attached to the shanty and rod blowing away
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: across the lake. He said that hurt was ask him
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: at quick fish feeling a little helpless. Maybe Another guy
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: says this one. I don't know, man, I want to
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: believe it. He says, he's fishing a hundred feet of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: water from whitefish, pulls up a rod in real combo
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and gets it all the way up and there's a
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: dead lake whitefish still on the end of the line.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why not. Yeah, I mean,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: stranger things have happened. And you know how augers are
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: collapsible where you put the shaft into the body and
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: there's like a little turnkey to tighten it. This guy
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: says he didn't do that little turnkey. And um, he
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: says that ugu was good for one hole. He says
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: a minute it punched through and to get that back
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: out there be like threading a needle out just right.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: That's all. Uh. They're the on the top about this
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: guy wrote in for some advice. This is interesting. So
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: he's speaking of civil speaking of Joe carrying through at
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: his wedding. Unif it's against law. Um, so Ohio? Okay,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: So he's in Ohio. No, he's not in Ohio. He's
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: in another state, but he has a hunting property in Ohio.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: The state then says that they are not permitting the
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: sale of nonresident fishing or hunting licenses. So here he is,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: he's got a hunting he's in Indiana. I think he's
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: got a hunting He signed this letter a disgruntled hunter. Uh,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: he's in Indiana, has a hunting property in Ohio. Ohio
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: then turns around and says no nonresident hunting. He feels
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: that this is very very unfair because he's paying taxes
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: on that land. And he says he's been calling the
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Ohio d on R and everyone else who will listen
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: to tell them just how I rate he is. How
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: can someone tell him or he can and can't do
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: on his own land. He even says, I don't have
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the vocabulary to articulate how mad I am. What are
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: your thoughts my out the line? Yeah, like I would
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: say so, because who cares if you own the land?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: What about dudes that don't own land, but they were
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: gonna go hunt on their uncle's farm, or they were
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: gonna hunt on some public land, or they were gonna
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: like is it really that if you is it like
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: the like the if you own land, you're more special.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: But if he's staying there and he's been there for
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a certain amount of time, I can see why I'd
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: be mad because he didn't say that. No, I'm just
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: going off of a reference, anecdotal evidence, because my grandparents
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: had the same thing happened in Montana. Really, he wants
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to build a governor for his tax He wants to
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: send an invite to the governor to get his taxes back. Okay,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: go on, Joe, were saying, do you think it's special
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: if you own the land. I don't think it's necessarily special.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: But like, if you're staying in the state, like especially
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: when the lockdown happened, and then they cancel hunting seasons
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: for non residents. But say you own this piece of property,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you're staying on that piece of property over this certain
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: amount of time and they still won't let you hunt
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: your piece of property. I could see that being frustrating.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: We'll see you rent it. I can still see that
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: being frustrated. I just don't see. I want to be
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: clear about this. I don't see um. I don't see
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: that the state has an obligation to factor in whether
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: or not you own it, versus that your uncle owns it,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: that you lease it, that you have a friend who
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: lets you blank. Like, I don't know that the state
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: needs to goal no no, no, But if your name
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: is on the title, now I totally get that, and
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I like, you just see why he's upset. You know,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: my grandma was pissed. But this very thing, this very
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: thing happened to Brody. Okay it this very thing happened
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: to Brody. But I don't think Brody went off sending
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: people invoices for his taxes. I think that's taking in
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: a step too far. He didn't take it. He didn't
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: take it personally. He just took it to be like
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that sucks, yeah for sure, But it wasn't like this
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: is another way the man sticks it to me. And
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I feel and I feel um on the spectrum of
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: responses to COVID nineteen, I feel that the handling of
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: the hunting fishing end of things has been botched by
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: some states. Hard to see otherwise. I feel that some
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: states have done a real piss poor job. I mean,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: what a crappy situation to be in trying to figure
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: all that stuff out. But my god, I think it's people.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I picture people sitting in the room and they get
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: presented with like, yeah, well what about yeah, but what
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: about And they do that for a couple of minutes
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and then they're like all right, no one fishes, yeah exactly,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: and they storm out, you know, I mean, because you're like, wow,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, let's say, right, maybe you
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to fish in real crowded places. But
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: if it's that, it's like they they probably had that
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: conversation like what about the people that own property here,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: they all you had that conversation with, And so I
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: got frustrated and stormed out and just said, hell, it's
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: like with your kids. You go from that you can
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: watch TV for like a half hour to like, never mind,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: no one's watching television. You throw the remote in a drawer.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: You're like, everybody, getto the rooms. Yeah, like a lot
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: of that happened. Yeah, the you know, it's it's on
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the passion subjects, right, because that a lot of people
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: right into me on the well I can't now I
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: can't hunt public land. What the hell good is it
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: to me? I'm gonna vote that we sell all this
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: and then we can do that, And I'm like, um,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: that'll fix That'll fix myself. You know, you can't go
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: into bars and restaurants right now, even should we burn
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: them all down, what do you want to do with those?
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that was a good analogy when you
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: brought this up. It's like, yeah, are you proposing that
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: they closed permanently bars because you can't go there tonight?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Damn it? I never want to go there. What good
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: is it to me? Now? Or in Spencer's case, would
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: be like all these bars better to be free when
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: they opened treat me to tonight, just like who wants
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: to who wants to tackle the alarming new rabbit disease?
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I can live with I can live with the COVID nineteen,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: but I cannot live with the rabbit. The rabbit hemorrhagic
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: disease to me is alarming. Oh man, But they need
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: to quarantine rabbits. So it's so similar too, And I
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: think that's why this, this person who wrote in it
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: so alarm. So you know, it's a relatively new disease
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: on the scene that ripped through Europe. Um, which I
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: had intended to do a lot more research on this
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to do some right and now you
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: want I sent it to you a few minutes ago,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: or you've already been looking at this. I think I
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: got it earlier in the week. Um. But I think
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: there's a lot more cultivation of rabbits in Europe, domestic
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: rabbits in Europe. It's like more common to yeah, I
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: have rabbit hunt, you have it like for producing food
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: and whatnot? Yes, yeah, meet your rabbits. Um. Also they
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: were getting hit. Yes, I wasn't even thinking about it
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: from a like a egg perspective. Yeah, I was just
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: thinking about it as a rabbit hunter, and you gotta
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you gotta think from the egg perspective. Its it's totally catastrophic.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Oh that's not there occurred to me. Man. Yeah, people
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: that raise rabbits, they've gotta be sweating. Yeah. Um. So
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: this new variant is r h d V two. I'm
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: assuming that's for version two or variant too. Um. But
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: it is now here in the in in North America,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: it's in to Mexican state. It's Texas, Arizona, New Mexico,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and most recently in southern color At a while apparently
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: not a health concern for humans. Reports Uh, this gentleman
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: has received are estimating deaths in the thousands to tens
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: of thousands of animals. Um. And Uh. The basically they
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: want they want some citizens science help on this. And
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: so if you're out anywhere and you see what appears
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to be an outwardly healthy looking rabbit dead, um, but
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: maybe has a little bit of blood coming out of
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: its eyes or nose or probably any more of us.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: So there's some places that you can call into. But
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: basically if you just call into your state wildlife, they're
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: they're aware of this disease that's on the scene. And
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: interestingly enough, timing is everything. That was talking with Hansi
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: here in the office, one of our editors and on
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: on the lack of white meat in the wild game diet.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: If you're a resident of the state of Montana, they're
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: just down and because of this one thing, you can
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: sources cotton tail rabbits and man All through high school,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: early parts of college, for me, cotton tales were on
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: just an epic population boom in this state, and I
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: would just stack up cotton tales before I'd leave Eastern
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Montana for the year, and that was they're excellent eating um.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: But now, ah, I'm all gung ho to go source
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: a bunch of rabbits and then, uh, what did I
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: call our HDV two comes on the scene. Well, this
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: is what I've been thinking about about this because my
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: brother is an avid rabbit hunter as well, and uh,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I love to hunt rabbits and he lives in great
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: cotton tail country, and he was saying that like the
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: last you know, they're they're they're cyclical, not as predictably
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: as snowshoe hairs, which run on like a seven year cycle.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Uh hold that do you know the cycle of snowshoe hair.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Some people attributed even to sun flares and different explanations,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: but but snow shares has this really predictable up down cycle,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and these historians once um went and looked at the
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: relationship between lynks and snowshoe hairs because, uh, links feel
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: the effects of a collapsed resource very quickly. We did
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: a podcast episode the other day with a python expert
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: and the Burmese pythons in Florida, and he was pointing
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: out that like a Burmese python can go so long
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: without eating, like months and months atout eating, that when
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: their pray species collapses, like when they themselves out of
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: house and home, you don't immediately be like, oh and
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: then they'll all die because there's nothing to eat. He goes,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: they can just go into this sort of state of
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: just like languished suspension and not just fall over dead.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: But links, when rabbit numbers go down, like links feel
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: it like very quickly, and I think that their ability
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: to to bring to weeen young drops off, and you'll
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: have links that like just are not there's zero recruitment,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: like they're not able to take care of babies, they're
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: not able to effectively have babies. So in snowshyr hair
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: numbers collapse, links numbers collapse. These historians went into the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Hudson Bay Company records and they Huston Bay Company, they
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: kept pretty amazing records, and they were able to show
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: that there was a seven year cycle of lynx hides, yeah,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: and tie it to the known seven year cycle of
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: snowshyr hair populations. But like my brother was the Avada
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: rabbit hunter was saying, we haven't had a great cotton
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: tail years since two thousand eight in his neck of
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the Wood's been a long long time. And I got thinking,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: like about this disease. I've been lamenting the sort of
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: general lack of cotton tails within hundreds of miles a year. Um,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: they're not gone, but they're not like you like walking
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: through and they're just like sometimes it's kind of you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: feel like something's wrong. There's so many of them. But
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: then I was like, maybe it's good because if if
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: they're maybe it would make the disease not spread. Well
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, like if there's a ton of them, you'd
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: be like, well, there's so much interconnected. But maybe if
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: this thing rolls through, and I don't know. I don't
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: know if it's I don't know anything about it. I
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: don't know if it stays, if it just passes through,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: if it's a permanent fixture, I don't know. Let's just
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: say it's the thing that passes through. It have a
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: pretty shitty time passing through right now this neck of
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah. Yeah, it can can carry it out
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: from population up to find anybody. But the states you're
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: talking about, they also have to have like a very
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: dispersed cotton tail population. I think about some of the
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: arid places in Nebraska in South Dakota that I've gone,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Like in southwestern South Dakota, you could go like dozens
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: of miles without seeing contail, and then if some rancher
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: has a green backyard, they'll be like five cotton tails
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: in this little area. And uh, I imagine that's like
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of what New Mexico. In Arizona and southern
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Coline they're still going as well. Oh yeah, there's gotta
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: be big holes in the habitat. It's not like we
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: used to hunt rabbits in southern Illinois and it was
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: just like a continuous it was like all rabbit country yeah,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: if there was distribution map for cotton tales in Illinois.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Just being yeah, ma'am the in those heyday years, UM,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I would not pastor a rabbit at all until literally
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: the day I was leaving camp from either just hanging
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: out and hunting there guiding. There's a stock tank right
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: next to a big hayyard, and I drive up out
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: of camp. If all my stuff loaded up, park at
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the hay yard, pulled the twenty two from behind the seat,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: walk around the hayyard, get a lot of rabbits, pile
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: them up next to the stock tank, ski and everybody.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Give everybody a good rant, pitch bitch mall in the
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: back of the truck. And that was just like the
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: last It was just like a very tidy, efficient grocery
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: run before I headed back to school. And then you
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: go home, make rabbit tempera or whatever it is you're doing. Yeah,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I just have a lot of good white meat that
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: everybody thought was chicken. Final thought on rabbits, we some
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: of the biggest rabbit Um, some of the biggest rabbit
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: killings I was ever engaged in were where ranchers had
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: gone in and poisoned off prairie dog colonies, and then
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: those prairie dog colonies would get colonized by cotton tail rabbits.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: And you just look out with your branoculars across the
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: prairie dog town and every little those little hump holes
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: to be like a pair of ears sitting there, man,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and just so many that they're like trying to find
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: any place to get protection. They would just sit down
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: in the they would kind of lowered themselves down to
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: the prairie dog colonies were one time, I mean, my
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: two brothers got thirty five of them out the prairie
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: dog holes. My one brother, Danny, he went late after
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: a while, he went and laid down the back of
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the truck. He'd had enough, had had enough. Uh, moving on, Spencer,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I was putting the heat to you a little bit earlier. Um,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a handful things Spencer has been
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: working on. But explain it again, Like, what's your problem
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: with turkeys. I don't have a problem with turkeys. I
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: just as far as like hunting my favorite thing in
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: the world, and then like turkeys and just kind of
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: like lukewarm with him, like I could take it or
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: leave it some years. Um, but I don't know. It's
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: it's not a Midwestern white tail, well not just white
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: tails like I would I would pick l coning overhead.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I would pick white tails and pick me with your
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: animal or whatever. Rock picking. Rock picking, that's that's been
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: part of it this spring. That's that's been a new interest.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: But uh yeah, why why the rock picking? No first?
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Like so turkeys is because because they're cool looking to
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: gobble they walk around on the woods. Like, what do
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: you like about them? Likes I that that could be
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: crazy noise. Don't make your crazy noise. Yeah, that's that's
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: all cool. I dig all that stuff, especially the meat.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: I wish it was like ten times more of it though,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: like a deer's were of the turkey broas, then I'd
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: be real motivated, real motivated. I got like forty pounds
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: of turkey breasts, right, I could dig that. It's okay, Spancer,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I'm I'm about lukewarm with turkeys.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: So you guys are wrong. My wife, there A Knight
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: told me just last night. She told me that I
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: didn't know you and I heard you talking. I was
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: talking to my neighbor about turkeys, and she said, I
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: didn't know you, and I heard you talking to him
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: the way you're talking to him right now, I would
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: think that you would just kinda have a weird, creepy
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: dude who's got a thing about turkeys. But I know you,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and it's She's like, but I know you, and it's cute.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: It's like, and that's true. So I dig turkeys. They
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: just like the COVID thing. And you know, I had
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: multiple tags in South Dakota that I just never even
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: went back and hunted with because you couldn't right right,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: And so like I was just like, well, you know,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: this is maybe a good excuse to uh not hunt
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: very much in the spring and pick up rock picking.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Pick up rock picking. That's been a new found hobby. Yeah,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: but think about your new rock picking thing. And we
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: haven't talked a whole lot about it. Is that I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: feel as though I'm always suspicious of people who start
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: new things, and I feel as though you kind of
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: like sort of like very deliberately went out and started
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: rock picking. Well, I've always been like interested in sorry,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: rock hounding. Yeah, that's that's that's a cool thing. Uh, Like,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: any of you guys here, like if you're out hunting
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: and you come across something cool on the ground, You're like, oh,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: this is I'm gonna take this with me. I like this. Yeah.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: So like I've always had that amount of interest. Uh,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: and then Corona happened. Um and it's just like I'm
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: traveling less and things like that, and and sort of
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the genesis of it is that, um, my wife who's
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: not really interested in in turkey hunting or fishing or
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: things like that, Like we wanted a way to like
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: do some more things outside and this is something that
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: she was interested in as well. So it was like
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: a good lane for the both of us to go
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: out and do something that she would like equally enjoy
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: those yellow one eggets. So I brought three things because
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: you said we were gonna be talking about new things
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: that we learned over over Corona. So I've got one
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: thing here. It's a piece of petrified wood. It's kind
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: of standard for the Yellowstone and then yeah, and then
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I've got Montana egg get here, which is unique to
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: the Yellowstone River. And then my piece of wood looks
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: almost the piece of petrified wood looks almost milled. Is
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: that crazy? My my wife had it multiple times where
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: like she thought it was just a standard piece of
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: wood on the ground and pick it up and like, oh,
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: this is petrified wood. That's how like distinct of it.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: And that's your yellowstone egg. That's he that's a Yellowstone
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: egg it or Montana egg it's Are you gonna cut it?
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I don't think we will because we haven't found enough.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: You have a umb yet, I have one running as
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: we speak. Yeah, and then and then the prize thing?
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Can we can we slow up from him? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah. Uh.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I used to hang out. I used to socialize with
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: a guy named Ready the Rockman, and he was an
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: egget collector. He was a commercial egget picker out in
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Miles City. This guy had five gallon buckets full of
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: mammoth molars and had some bisonantick with skulls. Anyhow, he
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: would get them and cut them to find if it
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: was like gem quality or whatever. And I bought a
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: pair of beautiful egg ear rings for my wife and
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: she still wears them. Do you have interest in like
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: cutting this open and seeing if it's like an earring inside? Not?
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Not to that level. Like I said, We've only found
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: probably about a half dozen eggs right now, So I'd
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: like to keep them whole for what we have. Well,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I think that you're if this is your definition of
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: an egg, I think you're overlooking a lot of shitty egg.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: It's this is a beautiful certainly on on a scale
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: of one to ten. Like my knowledge of rock hounting
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: is like a three. Well, there's a lot of aggets
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  Speaker 1: that are lame. I mean this is like, this is
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: like a a gorgeous egg. Yeah. Well, and it's even
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: prettier if you were in like natural light and held
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: it up to the cell and it just glows. And
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: that's that's how some of the guts are. Never I've
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: never found one like like that. I'd be very eager
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: to cut that open. What you need, like the prime
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: right is like having a core in here that isn't fractured.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: M That's what Ray the Rockman was after. Is it
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: whether or not it's cracked inside? Yeah, you better tell
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: folks how it gets formed. Still again, I just said
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: I have three out of ten knowledge on this. But
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: my understanding is that like the Yellowstone volcano, when that
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: has gone off, I think during the Pleisto seen era
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  Speaker 1: um that left ash and lava spread out all over
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  Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountain region, and then when it rained, that
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: rain combined with the volcanic ash and lava is what
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: created these agats. That's not my understanding. I'm I could
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: be wrong. I could be wrong. Go I'm not telling
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: this is what it is. I'm sure we're here about it. Joe,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: can you watch for the correct answer when it comes
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: in Vieah, Definitely, we'll get it. What I've heard from
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Rady the Rockman baker, is that the lava flows would
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: engulf chunks of wood. Mm hmm. That wood would burn
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: inside the lava and it would create cavities. Over time,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: rain water would percolate down through the lava, collecting these cavities,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: dry up and leave the precipitates in the cavity, and
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: eventually the cavity would be full of the precipitates that
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: came through that rain water. The lava would erode away
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: because it's soft, and would liberate these hunks of what
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: he would call agatized wood. Well, so we're we're not
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: disagreeing on what we said. I feel this is a
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: pretty strong disagreement. You just went into more detail. It's
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: like a combination of volcanic materials lava and ash and
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: then water. And it's funny you talked about the tree
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: thing because as you did say, ash, yeah, this is
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: like so we're not totally in the fight. The most
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: prized thing that we found this is a piece of
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: egotized petrified wood. Yeah. Yeah, you can't see it well
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: in here because this isn't like the best late place.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: But you go outside and you hold that up to
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: the sung. It's kind of overcast today and you'll see
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: like the orange glow in there. So I have a
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: piece of petrified wood, I have an egg it, and
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: then I have a piece of aggatized petrified wood. Man,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: this is all just from one spring of being a rockhound.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's probably from about eight times we've got out.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: We probably have pieces of wood, a half dozen pieces
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: of egg it's or the like I think the technical
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: term if they don't have banding and egg it is
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: just kelcetton. So you and Mrs new Heart just head
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: out and the she didn't take my last name, same
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: thing is I ran into that problem just kills me
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: when her mom when uh, when my wife's mother sends
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: her it burns my wife's mother worse than me. When
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: My wife's mother sends my wife a package or an envelope.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: She messes with her because she'll put down Kate, She'll
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: put on Katie Ronella, even though it's not her names.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: My wife's mother likes to admonish her for not taking
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: my name. Uh. I was traveling with Steve and his
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: wife and uh we were traveling tight confines and his
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: wife was making a dinner reservation, and I noticed that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: she then chose to take Steve's last name after the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: phone call. She sheeps sheepishly turned to me and said,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed, but that's the only time I take my
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: husband's last name in the hopes of getting a dinner reservation.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Uh oh, so you guys, go off you and not
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Mrs Newhart. Um, go off as a little a little
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: cute little couple and go rockhound. Yeah, yeah, I love it.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: We Uh I threw on my stone glacier. We look
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: up like public access spots on the yellow Stone with
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: on X and then usually it's within an hour of
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Bozeman that we're finding these things. The best find that
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: we've had um was two egg. It's that we picked
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: up on a gravel bar where we could see the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: McDonald's at Livingston. So I assumed that like, oh, you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: gotta get a way far away from stuff because over yeah,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: that that certainly helps to like get far away. But
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: we had good success, just like very local. Have you been, Um,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: I'm more of a bone picker than a than a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: rock picker. Yeah? Have you been checking eroded banks and stuff?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Like you roll a bone picking into rock pickers? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I have some bones that I've brought home. But that
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: that's like another level of identification that I'm not down
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: with yet. So I don't know my neighbor. Um my
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: kid told me about this, and I haven't talked to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: my neighbor directly, but apparently he just found a fossilized
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: tooth under five ft five ft down. He's an earth
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: move equipment. I'm really eager to see that tooth. So
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: and with with the picking, like why we got into it? Uh?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I think they imagine there's counting rock counting with with
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: fatherhood that I haven't like ever experience this emotion. But
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: like you go hunting or fishing and you would rather
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: your son or daughter catch the fish or like shoot
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: the turkey, you right, like you that's that's something you experienced. Oh. Absolutely, Yeah,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: I don't. Like I've never like if I was saying
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you'd rather see your wife, I'm getting there. So like
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I I don't if I go hunting and fishing with buddies,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: or like if I take my ten year old nephew,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I'm still selfish enough. They're like I want to catch
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: the walleye, Like I want to be the one who
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: that's like something's wrong with your head. So and I've
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I've assumed that like there's a switch that flips when
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: you when you become a father, that like your your
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: interest changes and you're like genuinely happy for that person. Yeah.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's like a biological switch. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's just I think it's like sort of
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: while you're in that has to happen. And and this
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: has been a new experience with me for rock counting,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: that like I would rather my wife pick up every
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: single cool thing we find, and like then me pick
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: up any Like I'd rather her find twenty s petrified,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: wouldn't me find zero really excited? Yeah? Because what you
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: what you're seeing is your path through rock picking. That's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: what I'm getting Because you're like if she finds it
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: and gets excited, then I can. Then I'll have more
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: opportunity to go rock picking. It will be less like
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: a favor. It won't be like I'm asking her to go.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: And that's a lot of the whole thing with kids.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: You wanted to want to go because and you can go. Yeah,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: she makes requests like that. We go rock counting and stuff.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: And this last time we found an egg. It over
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: by big timber and we were like halfway home past
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Livingston stuff and she was telling me, this has been
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: ninety minutes since we grab that egg. And she's like,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: I still have adrenaline going from what I found that egg.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: So that they're so shaky she couldn't pick it up. Yeah,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: so I I really like, I really dig that. We
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: we took a first time hunter out and it was
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: really cool. It was a great, great trip um, but
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: it was very lean on animals and potential for and
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: like it was just tough that way. But we found
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of sheds and uh, this is like a
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: true first year hunter. His name was John and he
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: was like, man, I love to find a shid, love
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: to find a shed. And my buddy Tyler and I
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: through a half dozen sheds in front of this kiss
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: and he stepped over everyone and it was finally we
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: got it to happen, and he found found a shed
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: once it hit him, yes, but it was just like
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: it was so funny because we were like, oh, we're
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: doing a good thing here, and then he'd stepped right
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: over the top of the Is he gonna listen to
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: this and feel worse about that shed? Is the shed
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: that he found them that you guys planted or was
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: it his own? Well, he did find it. Spencer explained
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: the folks, what, um, explain the folks now that we've
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: covered your rock hunting turkeys, explain the folks the difference
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: between um, you're very successful franchise the fact Checker and
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: bar room your franchises fact Checker and barroom banters. Fact
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Checker will take some commonly held belief among sportsmen and outdoorsmen,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: and then sports people. Sports people investigate whether or not
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: it's true. We've covered this on the podcast multiple times.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Examples being like, um, we're great, we're whale stocked in
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: the Great Salt Lake. Um, do box really pay attention
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: to the moon? Yeah? All that stuff. That's the fact
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Checker series investigating Uh, these long held beliefs, things that
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: we all know are true because we were told they
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: were true. Daddy, long legs are are incredibly poisonous, but
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: they don't have the fangs capable of breaking skin. Things
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: like that. That's a fact checker series. The barroom Banter
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: series is just like wisdom that you're eager to share
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: with your buddies from a bar stool. And so you
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: may not be like book smart or something, but you
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: can be done stupid. You could be downright stupid, but
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: you could seem really educated from my bar stool if
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: you read this series, because you've got these all, You've
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: got these great nuggets of information around the outdoors. He
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: keeps these all in his back pocket for the open
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: bars at the weddings. Yeah, that's right. He bellies up,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: it's out for the tip for the night, just starts
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: telling stories. Yep, yep, hey, by you a drink. And
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: and the barroom Banter is like a nod to meat
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: eater fans that would appreciate a deep cut because the like,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: the first time I heard barroom banter was in one
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: of your books that. Yeah, both the small game in
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: the Big Game one they always had like this tidbit
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: in there to be like one sentence about a cotentail
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: rabbit or about an elk that was like barroom banter.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: And then it was just like this quick hitter that
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: did exactly this. Yeah, so we did. What are you
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: talking about? We have these books are guide book series,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: which is a few few books ago, The Complete Guide
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: to Hunting, Butchering and Cooking, Small Game, The Complete Guy
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: to Hunting, Butchering and Cooking UM Volume one Big Game
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: and then Volume two Small Game. And in these we
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: have these like species profiles all about how to like
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: you know, prepare it, how to find it, hunt for
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: regulatory stuff, and then like the kind of weird ship
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: you couldn't figure out where to put it, we just
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: put it in the barroom banter section. Yeah, and interesting
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: interesting stuff about stuff right over the tens of thousands
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: of words in those books, those are like my favorite
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: sentences or just the barroom banter parts. And so that's
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: that's what kind of the genesis is for the website.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Here's a clearing house for all this off the wall
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: knowledge that folks like us have, and it's a good
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: place to share it with media readers. Now, I don't
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: want to start negative. Um, but I want to understand
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: you're thinking. I have now probably ten times suggested to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Spencer that you need to do a fact checker or
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: byroom banter. I don't care of something that I know
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: to be true from growing up because people told me
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: it was true. Is there red squirrels or pine squirrels
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: bite the nuts off of the more desirable gray and
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: fox squirrel species and they just that's just the truth?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Spencer says to me, well, not enough people think that
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: it doesn't warrant It's not like a thing that people think.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: But repeatedly the other we were soliciting questions from our listeners.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: Top of the list, why do pine squirrels bite the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: nuts off other squirrels? So you don't need to answer
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: why do they do? Do they? But walk me through
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: why that is not a suitable fact checker? It is?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: It is now I believe you. After the last time
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: I was on the podcast we talked about fact checkers,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: which was February, I think we requested people to give
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: us prompts for fact checkers, and that was the number
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: one request that I got was what you just mentioned.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: So you now think that I'm on your side. So
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: you haven't written the piece yet though now it just
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like an appropriate thing to write in in
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: May this fall, this fall? Do you think about to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: that level you need to. Yeah, we're not gonna talk
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: about like running white tails. Squirrels are alive right now.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: Sure we'll we'll get to it, but the we'll answer
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: that question. Uh, have you done any preliminary research? No? No,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: besides like, how okay, why aren't we do how you're
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: going to approach it? Let's squirrel time. That's that's one
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: of the things that is kind of daunting about something
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: like this. Um, so I don't know to talk to
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: a squirrel. That's right. Well, we know there's cannibalism in squirrels.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: We know they can have a very diet. Would you
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: like the barroom banter in the Small Game guide book
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: about how how pine squirrels kill Leverett's snowshoe hair babies.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yeah. I like that they did
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: a mortality study on snowshoe hairs, on baby snowshoe hairs,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: the lead cause immortalities pine squirrels. Whoa one thing for
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: these fact checkers We would like to open up with
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: the origin, Like, where did this idea come from? That's
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: not like and that's that's my concern is that these
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: people writing in like the origin is Steve Ranella because
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: someone told me growing up right, Steve, you's got a
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Wikipedia page. It doesn't. Yeah, that's that's like the most
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: difficult part of these all the time is tracking down
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: the origin, trying to figure out where did this start.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: I will tag team this project with Joe. You're a
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: good thing. You're here, Joe. Can you please watch in
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: the incoming emails, Uh, things with subject lines such as, um,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: squirrels bit and other squirrels balls. Yep. I feel like
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: that will stand out. Yeah, squirrel ball biting, stuff like that.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: When you see those, you take note and see if
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: people can point to examples that that originate. That will
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: lead us right to the origin that originate somewhere, not
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: with me wondering if that's true. All right, that's covered
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: to our sets, so we can look forward to that.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: It's it's going to be coming out. Yes, Um, tell
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: us a couple, uh, give us some latest, some latest
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: and greatest barbroom banters, barrow mant as of late, the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: theme of the ones that I've been writing about. It's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: kind of just been like northwestern South Dakota it's a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: really really cool area. How did you so not just
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: South Dakota, but a quadrant of yes, because there's so
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: much cool stuff that happened there. Uh in an example,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: and these aren't things we've written about, Like that's where
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Hugh Glass got mauld. Oh that's good to know. Yeah,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: I damn sure knew it wasn't BC, which is where
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: it happens in that horrible movie The Revenuet R. Right,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, that's an example of why northwestern South Dakota
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: is really cool. Um. That is the people often when
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: I say, when I complain about the Revenuet, then I
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: point out that you couldn't have said it in BC,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: and then where did it happen? And I'm like, I
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: don't know if it wasn't there, that's good. Start telling
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: north it looks way different. If you went to where
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Hugh glassgowt mauld you could probably throw a rock and
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: hidden antelope. Like that's what kind of country it is.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: I'm reading an astounding book right now, but history. It's
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: called Plainsman of the yellow Stone. It's a history of
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: all travel early travel through the Yellowstone Basin, and um,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: the amount of white and yellow bears, the white and
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: yellow kind that people see rolling around out on the
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Great Plains is amazing. Man. Yeah, across the plain were
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: many white and yellow bears for the ferocious kind, the
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: white and yellow ones. It's amazing. So northern and northwestern
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Southdakota are so cool that I'm not even gonna ever
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: cover the huge glass thing because there's just like stories
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: that are way better than that, Even better than a
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: guy getting mauled and crawling his way to safety and
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: not taking vengeance. That's right. You should probably cover that.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: So people who hate the movie like Steve and go,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: it's not even based in BC, and then they go,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and it's not a vengeance tail. It's
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: a tale of forgiveness. That's right. If that movie didn't exist,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: that would be a great barroom bnter. But now it's
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: just like, have that author on the I'd like to
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: have that author on. I should stop talking about all this.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: It's hard to get him on. I'd like to have
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: that author and he's actually really interesting, dude. I thought
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: to have him on the podcast. Yeah, that'd be awesome.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: I've never read his book. I need to read his
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: book because he might be like, dude, I know the
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: movie is horrible. I don't know. I gotta read his book. So.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: One of one of the things about northern northern South
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Dakota and northwestern South Dakota that we've recently covered is
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: three Toes, the wolf who, according to legend, was the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: last gray wolf to roam the Great Plains, and he
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: did most of his damage over about a decade span
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: in the early nineteen tens to the mid nineteen twenties,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: where he caused all kinds of havoc for ranchers. He
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: was just running rough shot. He's cheap and on things
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: like the hold up before you get too deep. I'm
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: with you. And I saw the article talk like we didn't.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: You will find that. Uh there's even historians who joke
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: about this. That one guy was talking about the legacy
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: of like, oh, e frame, you know, the last Grizzlies somewhere,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: and he calculated it out that this bears reign of
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: terror lasted forty five years. Yes, I think I think
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: that was in Colorado. Uh So, like this this story,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: not this version, but it's been told many times over.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: There was a wolf in uh, Minnesota. I think his
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: name was like three legs a wolf and he did
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: the same thing, caused all kinds of damage. There was
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: a grizzly in Colorado that had decades where he was
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: just destroying stuff and reeking havoc. But you get the
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: point I'm making. Yes, I'm not accepting this for fact.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: There there's like the point the point. But what I'm
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: trying to say is just for folks at home. Uh,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Grizzlies don't live forty five years, so his reign, it
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: would be hard for his reign, his reign of terror.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: What was attributed to his to him in all likelihood
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: looking back on it was that there was a but
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: a collection of animals for a long period of time,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: and every time something bad had happened, they'd be like,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: damn it, it must be definitely. The record keeping is
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: not very great with something like three toes. Yeah, I'm
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: not gonna mess with but there is one solid and
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: irrefutable fact he had three toes. No, there's a statue. Yes,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: there's a statue. There's a statue dedicated to three toes
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: in Buffalo, South Dakota. Okay, I want to pull out
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: go on with the story. I just had to get
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: that in there well. And and to your point, I
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: think wolves and captivity can live up to like seventeen
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: years and in the wild it's like a decade is
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: super rare. Apparently three Toes was like fifteen or sixteen
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: years old, long range, long long rain. Yep. So he
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: spent a decade just running rough shot on sheep and
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: cattle surplus killing. Yes, yep. He was notorious for killing,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: even on a full stomach. Um. And as the tail
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: of three two three toes grew, so did like his
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: athleticism and wits can you dress the toes the toes situation?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's a good question, yep. Three Toes Uh.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Prior to starting his destruction and his vengeance on man Uh,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: he escaped, He escaped a ranchers trap. Uh, and he
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: just left a tee behind and then going forward if
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: and that that that pissed him off? Yeah yeah, yeah. Oh.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: And also I didn't mention this in here, uh because
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: it was like it was a hard thing to find
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: space for. But apparently the ranchers of northwestern South Dakota
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: had killed three Toes his mate, and that just extra
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: extra it was like a lone wolf. McQuaid when his
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: dog diese a constant reminder of traps. Oh yeah, like
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: every time he forgets about it and chills that he
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: looks and there's his damn foot. He's like, I forgot
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: about that. I don't kill some sheep. And so whenever
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: he would go and he would murder all these sheep
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: and some dusty corral, he'd leave behind this three toed
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: pop print, and that's how they would know, Oh you know,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: he's just dust awful little area, and just make a
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: perfect little print. Yep. But he was so athletic that
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: he would jump like twelve foot gaps to avoid dogs.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: And he was so smart that he would intentionally scatter
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: livestock so they would obliterate his trail so he could
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: then escape. And part of the story goes because they
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: asked him what's that? They asked him about it? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: They must have like, you know, the last question for you,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: why do you scatter the livestock? And he was like,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: yep uh. And he was so ruthless that once, while
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: he was being pursued, he even stopped in a corral
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: slaughtered fifteen sheep and then just kept going, didn't even
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: have any interest in needing them, just to like prove
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: a point he did. That's a sociopath while he was
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: being pursued. Not a sociopath. There's probably a good Latin
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: word for this to be a fauna path, the sheep
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: a path. So three toes you follow me? Yeah, good
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: enough to do that one out. No, three Toes. Over
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: his thirteen year reign was credited with fifty thou dollars
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: in livestock damage, which if you count for inflation, that's
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: six dollars today. It's a lot of damage. Yep. Uh.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Local ranchers tried killing him. There was one case where
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: the I'm gonna butcher the name Havevella boys. Maybe they
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: followed three Toes for two hundred miles. No, no, they
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: never got a shot followed him for two hundred miles.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: There was someone else that followed him for a hundred
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: forty miles but lost his tracks when he got to
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: the Grand River Um which I think the Grand River's
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: location of or huge glass got mauled. Circle ties it
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: all together, yep. So, finally the state got sick of
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: not catching three Toes, even after having a five thousand
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: dollar bounty on him for years just didn't work. They
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: called in their best wolf specialist from New Mexico, and
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: this is where the story becomes like absolutely true. Yes,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: there's there's no disputing like this three week period perceptions
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: like yeah, we're making some jokes about it, but the
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: perception like the depredation was real, the livestock loss was real,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: and it was a very real perception of this being
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: attributable to this one ravenous beast. Yep yep, So Clyde
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: brother or I was actually two of them or not,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: who knows, but this was the understanding at the time
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: or many. Yeah, that that is like some notorious bluff
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: country up there where something could duck down. You you
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: never know. Even though it's like we talked about were
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: grizzlies and analobre at um, there was likely more wolves
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: at work here. But Clyde Briggs comes in from New Mexico.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: He is the U s d A S Wolf specialist,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: and he has a reputation for catching things that are
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: on catchable and he does just that. He spends three
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: weeks there interviewing locals, talking to ranchers, kind of surveying
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: the land. He decides on one specific ranch where three
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Toes had recently left a track behind. And so I
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: knew you'd want more information on the actual trapping portion
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: of this, but there's like so little available the story
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: gets pretty short after this. Brigg goes out. Briggs goes
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: out and he just litters an area with traps, and
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: he knows that this wolf is so wise and so
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: evasive that he needs to lay traps that if it
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: gets it one leg in and has to get another
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: leg in as well, one one leg on this wolf
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: isn't good enough. So uh, the only details legs, that's right,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: the only the only information really available is that he
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: just litters like a pasture with the traps, and he
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: catches the wolf on July and he gets out there.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Uh and three Toes is like emancipated at this point.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: He's way past it from having a man's paid would
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: be he let it go out of the trail. No. Uh,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: three Toes is now only seventy four pounds decite, despite
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: being six ft long from just a life I haven't
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: been on the run, yes, and not eating all the
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: stuff you kill, and and he's and he's just passed
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: his prime. So Briggs has a lot of pride and
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: like he caught this wolf, but he alsto wants to
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: spare the wolf and drive it back to Buffalo, which
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: is the county seat. But on the car ride there,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: which was only about twenty minutes to get there, the
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: wolf dies. Is this is this credited with being the
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: inspiration for The Crossing by Cormick McCarthy. Not aware The
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: Crossing Court McCarthy part of the Border trilogy. There's a
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: wolf raisin hell with cattle in New Mexico and a
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: kid gets tasked by his father to catch the wolf
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: that had come up from Mexico. That is Earnest Thompson
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: Seaton story Lobo from the book Wild Animals. I have
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: known what is I believe the inspiration for Cormack McCarthy's
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: The Crossing. No, yeah, that's it's ras for that. Anyways,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: kid catches the wolf, can't bring himself to kill it,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: decides to bring it back into Mexico. One thing leads
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: you another. Yeah, Briggs had intentions of killing this wolf.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: You just want to kill it in front of people, Yes,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: just like show them this live critter. But but three
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: toes died on the drive there instead of treading it
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: into like the July midday heat, and probably being in
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: this trap that had like no shade available or anything
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: that they don't say that's the reason. But this writer,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: who was a sheep rancher in area, he says, call
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: it a broken heart or what you will, something of
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: this sort is what killed the old wolf. He was
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: resting easily when found. His wounds were superficial, but there
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: was something in his grand old spirit that could not capture,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: and nature more merciful than than had been every before,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: granted him his release. Wow. Pretty flowery language. Very flowery,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: is that? I mean, that's just like Western romanticism. Man.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. You know. It wasn't
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: a trap that killed him. It was getting caught, wasn't
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: the July. It was that his reign was over. Well.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: So that's three toes. That is that quote from The
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Outlaw of Josie Wales where he says something to the
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: end to the effect of m guys like you and me,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: it's not dying that's hard, it's living. I tell that
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: to Yanny all time. How does Yanni respond? He just
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: kind of rolls that, all right? So you, um, that's great,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: you know, you have standing invitation to come tell us
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: about fact checkers and barbed banters, but I might revoke
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: it until you get the squirrel nutting wrapped up. We'll
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: put it at the top a little party. When you
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: get that thing wrapped up. You can come on anytime
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: you want, um, but we'll have an open bar. Con
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: we range that account have an open free bar for
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: Spencer after he writes it would be like a bottle
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: in the glass. We'll be laying there at your little
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: spot and you come in and tell us about the
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: squirrel nut biting. There we go, and all you gotta
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: do is I wrap your knuckles on the table and
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I'll serve you. Uh close out a couple of things.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: So Spencer, you realize during the quarantine that you're a rockhound? Yes? Um,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: what the thing you've learned about yourself? Cal What did
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: the quarantine bring out in you? What did you learn
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: about yourself? I have a thing that I learned about myself.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I I learned that that I need to
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: start training myself to focus, because when I'm trapped at home,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I get so many projects going. I have like full
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: blown adult onset a d D. I already knew that
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: about myself. Yeah. The projects are seductive, subductive, they're just
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: you look out your window and it's like some of them. Yeah,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold off on putting the period on this
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: last sentence. I'm going to get this period later. Yeah
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: that flower pot. Yeah, I gotta go bust down four
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: turkeys and make stock and learn how to can real quick.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: What did you learn? Um, I'll do mine. I was
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: gonna have Joe and feel well. Mind, Now what I
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: learned is this, uh in my I don't know hole.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: That was maybe around twenty or so I developed I've
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: always had like a real thing about needing to be
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: going all the time, um, doing stuff all the time.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: In my twenties or so, it turned into a a
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: horrible not horrible, but a really like a really severe
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: wander lust, to the point where I I remember one
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: point in time realizing that I had gone eighteen months
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: without sleeping in the same place seven days in a row.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: And then when I did sleep somewhere seven days in
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: a row, I was out of town. I just had
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: to be out of town in the same place eight
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: days in a row, and I developed this feeling like
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: a very deep uneasiness about not being on the move
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: to where I felt like somehow if you weren't on
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: the move, you would die or something. And I just
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: very difficult for me. But um, I learned now that
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: I like it waking up same place, wake up with
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: my wife at my house, make some coffee. You're like, oh,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: this is why we have this place. My kids are there,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And and like after doing
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: that for a couple of weeks, and I recently had
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: to go just eat like a little in state trip.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: After doing that for a couple of weeks, I really
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: not was like eager to go somewhere. I was dreading
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: going somewhere. I liked it. I liked waking up making coffee.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: Everybody home loved it too much. Then I started thinking
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: I was getting soft the dude, it's nice to be
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: at home with your family and not to be also packing. Dude.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: When I moved to you know, living life on the
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: road as a guide, um, doing all sorts of jobs.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: When I moved to catch them for a sit down
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: on the desk job, Um, you know, I was like,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: I never hung a thing on the walls, not a picture,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: not anything. Never know, when you got to get out
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: of there because I was like, I'm just gonna be moving,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: just gonna be leaving, just gonna be moving. And then
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: like you know, ten years later, I'm like, better, better
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: hang this map on the wall. I think I will
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: have a decoration. When you weren't staying anywhere for eighteen
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: months straight, where did you have like a paycheck send
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: or Oh, I've always had an ad I've always used
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: an address for a long time. During that period, I
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: used the p O box. But I've also during those
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: same periods would use my brother's addresses. HM, that's my
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: port of call. So where did you consider yourself a resident?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Like did you have someplace you were like paying I
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: was a resident? Yeah, I was a resident somewhere. But
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: I and I might be like it was mostly in Montana,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: but it might just be that period was in Montana. Um,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: and I think when I broke it it was I
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: think it might have been. I think I might have
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: broken earlier something my dad getting sick. I think I
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: might have broken when I went away from my I
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: might have broke my streak going home to be home
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: with my family from home. Um, but yeah, just like
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: but you know, think about it now, like on a
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: weekend comes, I get little like it's hard for me
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: to picture. If I look ahead and there's like a
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: weekend when we don't have the family. Even with the family,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: we don't have something on the books, I get a
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: lot of antsy. You guys are very good at at
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: making stuff. I have to start planning something because I
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: don't want to die. Joe, what you learned about yourself drinking?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: You know, so here's the thing you don't die if
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: you just stay home. Really write that down. I learned
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: the exact opposite. I learned I am a very restless soul.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Like you're sitting around in the house. It's been like
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: I need to go to that mountain top, like just
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: looking out the window, looking at the mountains. I'm like,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: I cannot sit here anymore. But you got that wandered
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: lust I do. I just gotta go see something. So
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: I did a lot of shed hunting. Just went and
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: started wandering around the like for antlers. Uh, I found
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: a few. I actually went to the breaks a couple
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: of weeks and only found twenty one antlers. Those really, Yeah,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: you did, like an actual trip to go shed hunting? Yeah,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: kind of and a scout first when you find them,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: do you like, I'm gonna put this into my big
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: pile of antlers? Are are you like selling? Uh? You
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: know where those were? Like, I put this in a
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: big bile of antlers, so you're not like you're not
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: out there selling it for two toys? No, And then
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: none of them were good enough to really sell. But
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: but then I also learned that I really enjoyed trail running.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: I think for that same reason of you know, kind
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: of wander last Yeah, I just go to a different
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  Speaker 1: trail and just start running. You and Maggie and Joanna's
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  Speaker 1: got to go on a trail run. Those guys trail run, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they run out did I did one with him last
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  Speaker 1: year and ran h baldly with him and it was miserable.
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  Speaker 1: But now I'm actually enjoying you probably able to hold
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  Speaker 1: your own. No. Yeah, now I've been running a lot,
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  Speaker 1: Like I just picked up one day. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for a trail run. Ran ten miles.
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  Speaker 1: If you do go running with Johnnie, wait till you're
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  Speaker 1: good and far into the trip, and then say Yanni.
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  Speaker 1: For guys like you and me, ain't dying. It's hard
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  Speaker 1: try that out on him, Phil learn anything good about yourself? Bad?
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  Speaker 1: I don't care. Yeah, bad that I need a new hobby.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just exactly, I've been sitting here listening
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  Speaker 1: to Spencer. I'm getting I'm getting all all jealous of
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  Speaker 1: of the stuff he's doing. Yeah. No, I've just been
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  Speaker 1: kind of just falling into old habits, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: playing well. I mean I was at to say playing
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  Speaker 1: with my kids, like it's a bad thing, but I
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  Speaker 1: mean like going through routine, just going through routines, like
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  Speaker 1: after the kids go to bed, it's like I'll just
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  Speaker 1: play some video games or yeah, yeah, I'm still I'm
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  Speaker 1: still into that. Yeah, yeah, but you're a brand new
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  Speaker 1: outside pooper exactly. Yeah. I wouldn't say I learned how
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  Speaker 1: to do it because it went poorly and try. But no,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if any of you guys at this
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  Speaker 1: hunting and fishing organization have any ideas for new hobbies.
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  Speaker 1: I books, so you can borrow one. I would like
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  Speaker 1: if you were out rockhound and Spencer gets to a
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  Speaker 1: spot and then sees someone already there rock hounding, and
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  Speaker 1: then he'll be one of those guys like this place
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  Speaker 1: is gone to ship when I started rock picking out
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  Speaker 1: there a couple good mushroom books too. Oh, Phil, that's
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  Speaker 1: what you ought to do, because that's the thing is
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  Speaker 1: right now, Like Morrel's coming on oyster mushrooms. My mom
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  Speaker 1: just pick that's I mean, that sounds great. Yeah, I've
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  Speaker 1: been articles getting I mean it's Spencer has been. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know this, he even talked about this, but I've
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  Speaker 1: been reading all of his stuff and and and I
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  Speaker 1: just I want to get out there. Yeah, he's getting
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  Speaker 1: me good, get me outside. My friend Matt who's been
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  Speaker 1: on this show before, not my brother Matt, my friend
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  Speaker 1: Matt Um. He was, you know, he was all hold
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  Speaker 1: up on his on a property. He has a little farm,
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  Speaker 1: quarantining out a farm. And I suggested to him, he's
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  Speaker 1: got a big ramp patch, big patch of ram um.
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  Speaker 1: I suggested to him, if you really want to inject
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  Speaker 1: a spark into the old love life, take your wife
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  Speaker 1: out there on the shovel. Digson. Continue, take your wife
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  Speaker 1: out of the shovel, dig up some of those ramps.
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  Speaker 1: Wash those ramps. Roll the green part of the ramp
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  Speaker 1: around the white part of the ramp. So it's a
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  Speaker 1: little package, looks like a polish rose. Brush that with
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  Speaker 1: olive oil, apply salt and pepper on it, put it
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  Speaker 1: on the grill and cook it and then give it
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  Speaker 1: to your wife. What is the polish rose? You don't
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  Speaker 1: know how polesh rose? No, you can't be like it
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  Speaker 1: looks like this thing. When when polish rose is a
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  Speaker 1: person's mom makes in the Midwest, when it's when they're
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  Speaker 1: having a party. If it's the wintertime. You take a
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  Speaker 1: green onion. No, you can do it in summer. Do
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  Speaker 1: you guys know this term? Take a green onion. You
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  Speaker 1: get yourself some carl budding hammer worn beef like the
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  Speaker 1: worst hammer corn most processed worst ham you can find,
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  Speaker 1: or corned beef slices. You take a green onion. You
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  Speaker 1: smear that meat with cream cheese so that you have
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  Speaker 1: it's like a picture of a piece of bread with
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  Speaker 1: cream cheese smeared on it, but it's not. It's a
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  Speaker 1: piece of ham with cream cheese smeared on it. And
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  Speaker 1: then you wrap it around the white part of the
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  Speaker 1: green onion and you lay a tray of those out.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're talking like that, dude, They vanish, but you
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  Speaker 1: you're giving that comparison. It is like counting exactly now
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  Speaker 1: due the poles love those roses. I don't know. Is
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  Speaker 1: it like a joke. Is it that they can't get
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  Speaker 1: nothing right? I don't know. I would rather have that
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  Speaker 1: than a rose, So let's think of it. I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: it's laudatory of the poles. They've taken a thing that's stupid,
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  Speaker 1: like a rose, and turns it into a good thing
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  Speaker 1: to eat. You're already cription of that. Was like Cal
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  Speaker 1: and I were doing a video about how to make
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  Speaker 1: chiselick and I was trying to describe the size that
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  Speaker 1: you want to cut the pieces of meat, and Cal
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  Speaker 1: interjected and he said, well, it's about the size of
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  Speaker 1: a sugar cube. But I don't think there's anybody like
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  Speaker 1: under the age of forty that can recognize what the
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  Speaker 1: size of a sugar cube is. I could recognize it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen one of those in a while. But
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  Speaker 1: like when I was a little kid, we're gonna wrap
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  Speaker 1: it up here, but we'll end on this thought. When
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  Speaker 1: I was a little kid, and you went to church,
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  Speaker 1: and then you left church and went over to the
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  Speaker 1: annex for like the little social period, you would get
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  Speaker 1: yourself some coffee and then you put about eighteen sugarcubes
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  Speaker 1: in there, and try to break them up and then
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  Speaker 1: drink that sugar. And I don't think I've laid eyes
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  Speaker 1: on a sugarcube. Stands all right, Good do they bite
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  Speaker 1: the balls off the squirrels. We'll find out. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: find out. Working progress by spencer fire. Alright, thanks everybody,