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BONUS: The Fight for Our Future: Land Tawney on Grassroots Advocacy and Public Lands · The Long Haul with The Articulate Fly

• 0:00
  Hey
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  folks,
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  it's
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  Marvin
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  Cash,
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  the
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  host
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  of
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  The
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  Articulate
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  Fly.
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  On
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  this
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  episode,
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  I'm
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  joined
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  by
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  outdoorsman,
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  conservationist
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  and
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  grassroots
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  organizer
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  Land
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  Tawney.
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  Land
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  and
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  I
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  discuss
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  the
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  keys
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  to
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  effective
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  grassroots
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  advocacy,
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  the
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  challenges
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  facing
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  our
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  public
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  lands,
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  and
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  his
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  newest
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  endeavor,
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  American
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  Hunters
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  and
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  Anglers
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  Action
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  Network.
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  I
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  think
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  you're
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  really
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  going
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  to
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  enjoy
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  this
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  one,
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  but
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  before
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  we
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  get
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  to
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  the
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  interview,
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  just
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  a
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  couple
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  of
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  housekeeping
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  items.
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  If
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  you
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  like
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  the
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  podcast,
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  please
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  tell
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  a
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  friend
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  and
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  please
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  subscribe
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  and
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  leave
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  us
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  a
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  rating
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  or
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  review
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  in
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  the
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  podcatcher
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  of
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  your
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  choice.
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  It
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  really
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  helps
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  us
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  out.
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  And
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  as
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  2026
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  approaches,
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  just
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  a
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  reminder
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  for
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  our
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  industry
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  friends
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  that
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  the
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  Articulate
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  Fly
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  offers
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  consulting
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  services.
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  Whether
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  you
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  need
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  help
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  planning
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  for
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  2026,
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  help
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  figuring
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  out
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  how
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  AI
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  can
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  boost
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  your
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  bottom
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  line,
• 0:48
  or
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  just
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  need
• 0:49
  help
• 0:49
  with
• 0:49
  some
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  old
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  school
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  blocking
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  and
• 0:51
  tackling,
• 0:51
  we
• 0:51
  would
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  love
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  to
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  hear
• 0:52
  from
• 0:52
  you.
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  Check
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  out
• 0:53
  the
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  link
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  to
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  our
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  consulting
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  page
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  in
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  the
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  show
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  notes.
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  And
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  finally,
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  a
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  shout
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  out
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  to
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  our
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  sponsor.
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  crowded
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  and
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  not
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  you
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  opportunities
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  others
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  and
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  now
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  on
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  to
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  our
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  interview.
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  Well
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  Land
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  welcome
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  to
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  the
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  Articulate
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  Fly,
• 1:39
  Marvin.
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  Thanks
• 1:40
  for
• 1:40
  having
• 1:40
  me.
• 1:40
  I'm
• 1:40
  stoked
• 1:41
  to
• 1:41
  be
• 1:41
  here.
• 1:41
  Yeah,
• 1:41
  I'm
• 1:42
  super
• 1:42
  excited
• 1:42
  too.
• 1:42
  And
• 1:43
  we
• 1:43
  have
• 1:43
  a
• 1:43
  tradition
• 1:43
  on
• 1:43
  the
• 1:44
  Articulate
• 1:44
  Fly.
• 1:44
  We
• 1:44
  like
• 1:45
  to
• 1:45
  ask
• 1:45
  all
• 1:45
  of
• 1:45
  our
• 1:45
  guests
• 1:46
  to
• 1:46
  share
• 1:46
  their
• 1:46
  earliest
• 1:47
  fishing
• 1:47
  memory.
• 1:48
  So
• 1:49
  my
• 1:49
  earliest
• 1:49
  is
• 1:50
  really
• 1:50
  my
• 1:51
  dad
• 1:51
  would
• 1:51
  go
• 1:51
  down
• 1:51
  to
• 1:51
  the
• 1:52
  Big
• 1:52
  Hole
• 1:52
  river,
• 1:52
  which
• 1:53
  is
• 1:53
  in
• 1:53
  southwest
• 1:53
  Montana,
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  during
• 1:55
  the
• 1:55
  Sand
• 1:55
  Fly
• 1:55
  hatch,
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  and
• 1:56
  we
• 1:56
  go
• 1:56
  down
• 1:56
  there
• 1:56
  for
• 1:56
  a
• 1:57
  week
• 1:57
  at
• 1:57
  least.
• 1:57
  And,
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  and
• 1:58
  so
• 1:58
  my
• 1:58
  earliest
• 1:59
  memories
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  are
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  on
• 2:00
  the
• 2:00
  river
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  with
• 2:01
  him
• 2:01
  and,
• 2:01
  you
• 2:01
  know,
• 2:02
  fishing
• 2:02
  these
• 2:02
  gigantic
• 2:03
  bugs
• 2:03
  for
• 2:03
  fish
• 2:03
  that
• 2:04
  were
• 2:04
  eaten
• 2:04
  on
• 2:04
  top.
• 2:06
  And
• 2:06
  you
• 2:07
  know,
• 2:07
  I
• 2:07
  always
• 2:07
  wondered
• 2:08
  why
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  he
• 2:08
  would
• 2:08
  go
• 2:08
  out
• 2:09
  in
• 2:09
  the
• 2:09
  morning
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  with
• 2:09
  his
• 2:09
  friends.
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  It's
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  because
• 2:11
  he
• 2:11
  had
• 2:11
  to
• 2:11
  deal
• 2:11
  with
• 2:11
  his
• 2:11
  kids
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  in
• 2:12
  the
• 2:12
  afternoon,
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  right.
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  And
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  so
• 2:13
  he
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  would
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  take
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  these
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  early
• 2:14
  morning
• 2:14
  floats,
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  get
• 2:15
  up
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  super
• 2:15
  early
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  and
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  then
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  go
• 2:17
  fish
• 2:17
  and,
• 2:18
  and
• 2:19
  then
• 2:19
  come
• 2:19
  back,
• 2:19
  you
• 2:19
  know,
• 2:19
  and
• 2:19
  deal
• 2:20
  with
• 2:20
  us.
• 2:20
  But
• 2:20
  that,
• 2:21
  you
• 2:21
  know,
• 2:21
  I
• 2:22
  won't
• 2:22
  ever
• 2:22
  forget
• 2:23
  kind
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  of
• 2:23
  those
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  times
• 2:24
  with
• 2:24
  him
• 2:24
  especially.
• 2:25
  There's
• 2:25
  a
• 2:25
  canyon
• 2:26
  section
• 2:26
  and
• 2:26
  like
• 2:26
  that
• 2:27
  is
• 2:27
  just
• 2:27
  a
• 2:27
  gorgeous
• 2:27
  place.
• 2:28
  Yeah,
• 2:28
  that's
• 2:29
  super
• 2:29
  funny
• 2:29
  you
• 2:29
  say
• 2:30
  that.
• 2:30
  So
• 2:30
  my
• 2:30
  oldest
• 2:31
  son
• 2:31
  now
• 2:31
  is
• 2:31
  23
• 2:32
  and
• 2:32
  to
• 2:32
  get
• 2:32
  him
• 2:32
  to
• 2:33
  behave
• 2:33
  when
• 2:33
  he
• 2:33
  was
• 2:33
  younger,
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  I
• 2:34
  would
• 2:34
  say,
• 2:34
  you
• 2:35
  know,
• 2:35
  little
• 2:35
  boys
• 2:35
  that
• 2:35
  don't
• 2:36
  listen
• 2:36
  can't
• 2:36
  get
• 2:36
  in
• 2:36
  drift
• 2:37
  boats.
• 2:38
  And
• 2:39
  so
• 2:40
  when
• 2:40
  he
• 2:40
  was
• 2:40
  almost
• 2:41
  eight
• 2:41
  years
• 2:41
  old,
• 2:43
  I
• 2:43
  took
• 2:43
  him
• 2:43
  out.
• 2:43
  Took
• 2:44
  the
• 2:44
  whole
• 2:44
  family
• 2:44
  out.
• 2:44
  I
• 2:45
  go
• 2:45
  to
• 2:45
  Montana
• 2:46
  a
• 2:46
  lot.
• 2:46
  I
• 2:46
  don't
• 2:46
  go
• 2:46
  as
• 2:47
  much
• 2:47
  now
• 2:47
  as
• 2:47
  I
• 2:47
  used
• 2:47
  to.
• 2:49
  We
• 2:49
  actually
• 2:49
  hit
• 2:49
  the
• 2:49
  salmon
• 2:50
  fly
• 2:50
  hatch.
• 2:50
  We
• 2:50
  were
• 2:50
  out
• 2:50
  for
• 2:51
  4th
• 2:51
  of
• 2:51
  July
• 2:51
  and
• 2:51
  we
• 2:51
  hit
• 2:51
  it
• 2:52
  on
• 2:52
  the
• 2:52
  upper
• 2:52
  Madison.
• 2:52
  And
• 2:53
  here's
• 2:53
  this
• 2:53
  kid
• 2:53
  who's
• 2:54
  almost
• 2:54
  8
• 2:54
  years
• 2:54
  old
• 2:55
  in
• 2:55
  the
• 2:56
  back
• 2:56
  of
• 2:56
  a
• 2:56
  drift
• 2:56
  boat
• 2:56
  with
• 2:57
  an
• 2:57
  eight
• 2:57
  weight
• 2:57
  fly
• 2:57
  rod,
• 2:59
  you
• 2:59
  know,
• 3:00
  and
• 3:00
  he
• 3:00
  just
• 3:00
  thinks
• 3:01
  that's
• 3:01
  normal,
• 3:01
  right?
• 3:03
  And
• 3:03
  he's
• 3:03
  designed
• 3:03
  flies
• 3:04
  and
• 3:04
  he's
• 3:04
  running
• 3:05
  around
• 3:05
  the
• 3:05
  put
• 3:05
  in
• 3:06
  at
• 3:06
  stories
• 3:06
  ditch,
• 3:08
  talking
• 3:08
  to
• 3:08
  guys
• 3:09
  about
• 3:09
  the
• 3:09
  cosmic
• 3:10
  blue
• 3:10
  butt
• 3:10
  bomb.
• 3:10
  That's
• 3:11
  basically
• 3:11
  like
• 3:12
  Chinese
• 3:12
  strung
• 3:13
  hackle
• 3:13
  and
• 3:14
  chenille
• 3:14
  and
• 3:15
  like
• 3:15
  lead
• 3:15
  eyes
• 3:15
  and
• 3:16
  showing
• 3:16
  it
• 3:16
  to
• 3:16
  everybody.
• 3:16
  And
• 3:17
  everyone's
• 3:17
  like,
• 3:17
  who's
• 3:17
  this
• 3:17
  kid?
• 3:18
  So.
• 3:20
  Well,
• 3:20
  very
• 3:20
  similar.
• 3:20
  I
• 3:21
  wasn't
• 3:21
  tied
• 3:21
  my
• 3:21
  own
• 3:22
  flies,
• 3:22
  but
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  was.
• 3:23
  I
• 3:23
  remember
• 3:23
  my
• 3:23
  dad
• 3:24
  like
• 3:24
  slamming
• 3:25
  on
• 3:25
  the
• 3:25
  brakes
• 3:25
  when
• 3:25
  we
• 3:25
  go
• 3:25
  by
• 3:26
  like
• 3:26
  a,
• 3:26
  like
• 3:27
  a
• 3:27
  dead
• 3:27
  squirrel
• 3:27
  so
• 3:27
  we
• 3:28
  could
• 3:28
  go
• 3:28
  cut
• 3:28
  the
• 3:28
  tail
• 3:28
  off,
• 3:28
  you
• 3:29
  know,
• 3:29
  I
• 3:29
  mean
• 3:30
  fishing,
• 3:31
  you
• 3:31
  know,
• 3:31
  and
• 3:31
  honey
• 3:31
  were
• 3:32
  just
• 3:32
  a
• 3:32
  part
• 3:32
  of
• 3:32
  my
• 3:32
  life
• 3:32
  from
• 3:33
  a
• 3:33
  very
• 3:33
  young
• 3:33
  age.
• 3:33
  So
• 3:34
  like
• 3:34
  your
• 3:34
  son,
• 3:34
  like
• 3:35
  I
• 3:35
  didn't
• 3:35
  know
• 3:35
  anything
• 3:35
  different.
• 3:36
  Yeah.
• 3:36
  And
• 3:37
  so
• 3:37
  were
• 3:37
  you
• 3:37
  always
• 3:37
  a
• 3:38
  fly
• 3:38
  fisher
• 3:38
  or
• 3:38
  did
• 3:38
  you
• 3:39
  have
• 3:39
  to
• 3:39
  come
• 3:39
  officially
• 3:40
  to
• 3:40
  the
• 3:40
  dark
• 3:40
  side
• 3:40
  later
• 3:41
  in
• 3:41
  life?
• 3:41
  No,
• 3:42
  I
• 3:42
  started,
• 3:42
  I.
• 3:43
  It's
• 3:43
  funny,
• 3:43
  I
• 3:43
  started
• 3:44
  on
• 3:44
  the
• 3:44
  dark
• 3:44
  side
• 3:45
  and
• 3:45
  then
• 3:45
  I
• 3:45
  really
• 3:46
  had
• 3:46
  a
• 3:46
  hard
• 3:46
  time
• 3:46
  with
• 3:47
  conventional
• 3:47
  tackle.
• 3:48
  But
• 3:48
  I
• 3:48
  started
• 3:49
  fly
• 3:49
  fishing,
• 3:49
  you
• 3:50
  know,
• 3:50
  as
• 3:50
  early
• 3:50
  as
• 3:50
  I
• 3:50
  can
• 3:50
  remember.
• 3:51
  So
• 3:51
  probably
• 3:51
  five.
• 3:52
  And
• 3:52
  it
• 3:53
  wasn't
• 3:53
  like
• 3:53
  there
• 3:53
  was
• 3:53
  some
• 3:54
  big
• 3:54
  lesson.
• 3:54
  It
• 3:54
  was
• 3:54
  just
• 3:55
  like
• 3:55
  get
• 3:55
  in
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  back
• 3:55
  of
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  boat
• 3:56
  and
• 3:56
  kind
• 3:56
  of
• 3:56
  watch
• 3:56
  dad.
• 3:57
  And
• 3:57
  he
• 3:57
  maybe
• 3:57
  he
• 3:57
  taught
• 3:58
  me
• 3:58
  a
• 3:58
  little
• 3:58
  bit.
• 3:59
  That
• 3:59
  was
• 3:59
  trial
• 3:59
  by
• 4:00
  fire.
• 4:00
  But
• 4:01
  I
• 4:01
  remember
• 4:01
  the
• 4:01
  first
• 4:01
  time
• 4:01
  I
• 4:02
  went
• 4:02
  to
• 4:02
  go
• 4:02
  fish
• 4:03
  conventional
• 4:03
  tackle
• 4:04
  down
• 4:04
  in
• 4:04
  Louisiana
• 4:05
  after
• 4:05
  redfish
• 4:06
  that
• 4:06
  never
• 4:07
  really
• 4:07
  used
• 4:07
  it.
• 4:07
  So
• 4:07
  I
• 4:08
  get
• 4:08
  a
• 4:08
  lot
• 4:08
  of
• 4:08
  bird's
• 4:08
  nest,
• 4:09
  but
• 4:09
  they
• 4:10
  also
• 4:10
  called
• 4:10
  me
• 4:10
  moonshot
• 4:11
  because
• 4:11
  I
• 4:11
  would
• 4:11
  shoot
• 4:12
  that
• 4:12
  thing
• 4:12
  straight
• 4:12
  up
• 4:13
  in
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  air
• 4:13
  and
• 4:13
  then
• 4:13
  I'd
• 4:13
  like
• 4:13
  land
• 4:14
  like
• 4:14
  10ft
• 4:14
  away
• 4:15
  from
• 4:15
  the
• 4:15
  boat.
• 4:15
  And
• 4:15
  I'm
• 4:16
  better
• 4:16
  now,
• 4:17
  but
• 4:17
  no,
• 4:17
  with
• 4:18
  a
• 4:18
  fly
• 4:18
  rod,
• 4:18
  that's
• 4:19
  something
• 4:19
  that,
• 4:19
  you
• 4:19
  know,
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  use
• 4:20
  since
• 4:20
  I
• 4:20
  was
• 4:20
  a
• 4:20
  little
• 4:20
  kid.
• 4:20
  And
• 4:21
  can
• 4:21
  I
• 4:21
  get
• 4:21
  better?
• 4:21
  For
• 4:22
  sure.
• 4:22
  But
• 4:22
  it
• 4:22
  definitely
• 4:23
  feels
• 4:23
  like
• 4:24
  it's
• 4:24
  like
• 4:24
  riding
• 4:24
  a
• 4:24
  bike
• 4:25
  or
• 4:25
  comfort
• 4:25
  in
• 4:25
  my
• 4:25
  hand.
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  would
• 4:26
  say.
• 4:26
  Yeah,
• 4:27
  I
• 4:27
  would
• 4:27
  say
• 4:27
  the
• 4:27
  baitcaster
• 4:28
  still
• 4:28
  causes
• 4:28
  me
• 4:29
  fits.
• 4:29
  Yeah,
• 4:30
  I
• 4:30
  haven't,
• 4:30
  you
• 4:30
  know,
• 4:30
  I
• 4:30
  haven't
• 4:31
  touched
• 4:31
  those
• 4:31
  because
• 4:31
  those
• 4:32
  are
• 4:32
  really
• 4:32
  bad
• 4:32
  for
• 4:32
  me.
• 4:33
  But
• 4:33
  conventional
• 4:34
  tackle,
• 4:34
  you
• 4:34
  know,
• 4:34
  like
• 4:35
  that
• 4:35
  kind
• 4:35
  of
• 4:35
  that
• 4:36
  flip
• 4:36
  over
• 4:36
  basket.
• 4:37
  I
• 4:37
  can
• 4:37
  do
• 4:37
  that
• 4:38
  now,
• 4:38
  you
• 4:39
  know,
• 4:39
  fairly
• 4:39
  proficiently.
• 4:40
  Yeah.
• 4:41
  So
• 4:41
  it
• 4:41
  sounds
• 4:41
  like
• 4:41
  your
• 4:41
  dad
• 4:42
  was
• 4:42
  a
• 4:42
  really
• 4:42
  important
• 4:42
  mentor
• 4:43
  to
• 4:43
  you
• 4:43
  in
• 4:43
  your
• 4:43
  outdoor
• 4:44
  life.
• 4:44
  Who
• 4:44
  are
• 4:44
  some
• 4:44
  of
• 4:44
  the
• 4:44
  other
• 4:45
  folks?
• 4:45
  I
• 4:45
  mean,
• 4:45
  you,
• 4:46
  you
• 4:46
  kind
• 4:46
  of
• 4:46
  grew
• 4:46
  up
• 4:46
  in
• 4:46
  the
• 4:46
  cradle
• 4:47
  of,
• 4:47
  like,
• 4:47
  everything
• 4:47
  amazing
• 4:48
  about
• 4:48
  fly
• 4:48
  fishing
• 4:49
  in
• 4:49
  Montana.
• 4:49
  Who
• 4:49
  are
• 4:50
  some
• 4:50
  other
• 4:50
  folks
• 4:50
  that
• 4:50
  have
• 4:50
  kind
• 4:50
  of
• 4:51
  mentored
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  on
• 4:51
  your
• 4:51
  fly
• 4:52
  fishing
• 4:52
  journey?
• 4:53
  Oh,
• 4:53
  it's
• 4:53
  great.
• 4:54
  So,
• 4:54
  I
• 4:54
  mean,
• 4:54
  my
• 4:55
  dad,
• 4:55
  my
• 4:55
  mom,
• 4:55
  I
• 4:56
  mean,
• 4:56
  I.
• 4:56
  I'd
• 4:56
  have
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  say
• 4:57
  both
• 4:57
  of
• 4:57
  them.
• 4:57
  My
• 4:57
  mom
• 4:58
  can
• 4:58
  still
• 4:58
  pick
• 4:58
  up
• 4:58
  a
• 4:58
  fly
• 4:59
  rod
• 4:59
  and
• 4:59
  just
• 5:00
  cast
• 5:00
  that
• 5:00
  thing.
• 5:00
  Great.
• 5:01
  And
• 5:01
  it
• 5:01
  was
• 5:01
  fun
• 5:01
  to
• 5:02
  go
• 5:02
  fishing
• 5:02
  with
• 5:02
  her.
• 5:03
  My
• 5:03
  dad's
• 5:04
  no
• 5:04
  longer
• 5:04
  with
• 5:04
  me,
• 5:04
  and
• 5:04
  so
• 5:05
  he
• 5:05
  died
• 5:05
  when
• 5:05
  I
• 5:05
  was
• 5:05
  19,
• 5:06
  so
• 5:06
  I
• 5:06
  probably
• 5:06
  gratitize
• 5:07
  him
• 5:07
  more
• 5:07
  than
• 5:07
  my
• 5:08
  mom,
• 5:08
  but
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  want
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  give
• 5:08
  my
• 5:09
  mom
• 5:09
  credit.
• 5:09
  Shout
• 5:10
  out,
• 5:10
  mom,
• 5:10
  if
• 5:10
  you're
• 5:10
  listening
• 5:10
  to
• 5:11
  this.
• 5:12
  And
• 5:12
  then,
• 5:12
  you
• 5:13
  know,
• 5:13
  I
• 5:13
  think
• 5:13
  Jim
• 5:13
  Posewitz.
• 5:14
  Jim
• 5:14
  Posewitz
• 5:15
  was
• 5:16
  an
• 5:16
  author
• 5:16
  here
• 5:17
  in
• 5:17
  Montana.
• 5:17
  He
• 5:17
  was
• 5:17
  a
• 5:17
  fisheries
• 5:18
  biologist
• 5:18
  at
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  Fish
• 5:19
  Wife
• 5:19
  and
• 5:19
  Parks.
• 5:20
  But
• 5:20
  he
• 5:21
  and
• 5:21
  my
• 5:21
  dad
• 5:21
  were
• 5:21
  good
• 5:21
  friends,
• 5:22
  and
• 5:22
  so
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  spent
• 5:22
  a
• 5:22
  lot
• 5:23
  of
• 5:23
  time
• 5:23
  around
• 5:23
  him.
• 5:24
  Then
• 5:24
  a
• 5:25
  guy
• 5:25
  named
• 5:25
  Dale
• 5:25
  Burke.
• 5:26
  Dale
• 5:26
  Burke
• 5:27
  wrote
• 5:27
  for
• 5:27
  the
• 5:28
  Missoulian,
• 5:28
  the
• 5:29
  newspaper
• 5:29
  here
• 5:29
  in
• 5:29
  my
• 5:29
  hometown
• 5:30
  of
• 5:30
  Missoula.
• 5:31
  When
• 5:31
  my
• 5:32
  dad
• 5:32
  passed
• 5:32
  away,
• 5:33
  he
• 5:33
  would
• 5:34
  kind
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  continue
• 5:34
  that,
• 5:35
  that,
• 5:35
  that
• 5:36
  sojourn
• 5:36
  down
• 5:37
  to
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  big
• 5:37
  hole
• 5:38
  and
• 5:38
  take
• 5:38
  me
• 5:39
  down
• 5:39
  there
• 5:39
  and,
• 5:39
  you
• 5:40
  know,
• 5:40
  and
• 5:40
  give
• 5:40
  me
• 5:40
  flies.
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  remember
• 5:42
  his
• 5:42
  favorite
• 5:43
  fly
• 5:43
  was
• 5:43
  the
• 5:43
  Golden
• 5:44
  Stone,
• 5:44
  which,
• 5:44
  you
• 5:44
  know,
• 5:45
  doesn't
• 5:45
  look
• 5:45
  like
• 5:45
  necessarily
• 5:46
  like
• 5:46
  a
• 5:46
  salmon
• 5:46
  fly,
• 5:47
  but
• 5:47
  it's
• 5:47
  a
• 5:47
  stone
• 5:48
  fly
• 5:48
  still.
• 5:48
  And
• 5:49
  it
• 5:49
  was
• 5:49
  just
• 5:49
  something
• 5:49
  different
• 5:50
  about
• 5:50
  that
• 5:51
  bug.
• 5:52
  And
• 5:52
  it
• 5:52
  works
• 5:52
  all
• 5:52
  the
• 5:53
  time,
• 5:53
  but
• 5:53
  especially
• 5:53
  during
• 5:54
  the
• 5:54
  salmon
• 5:54
  flights,
• 5:54
  I
• 5:55
  think
• 5:55
  it
• 5:55
  just
• 5:55
  looks
• 5:55
  different
• 5:55
  and
• 5:55
  those
• 5:56
  fish
• 5:56
  like
• 5:56
  it.
• 5:56
  But
• 5:56
  yeah,
• 5:57
  Dale
• 5:57
  Burke.
• 5:58
  And
• 5:58
  then,
• 5:58
  like,
• 5:59
  last
• 5:59
  one,
• 5:59
  you
• 5:59
  know,
• 5:59
  probably
• 6:00
  would
• 6:00
  be
• 6:00
  Jim
• 6:01
  Range.
• 6:01
  And
• 6:01
  Jim
• 6:01
  Range
• 6:02
  is
• 6:02
  actually
• 6:03
  from
• 6:03
  Washington,
• 6:04
  D.C.
• 6:05
  i
• 6:05
  met
• 6:05
  him
• 6:05
  when
• 6:05
  I
• 6:06
  was
• 6:06
  working
• 6:06
  for
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  Theodore
• 6:07
  Roosevelt
• 6:07
  Conservation
• 6:07
  Partnership,
• 6:08
  but
• 6:08
  he
• 6:09
  had
• 6:09
  a
• 6:09
  ranch
• 6:09
  here
• 6:09
  in
• 6:09
  Montana.
• 6:10
  And,
• 6:11
  man,
• 6:11
  just
• 6:12
  the
• 6:12
  patience
• 6:13
  that
• 6:13
  I
• 6:13
  would
• 6:14
  see
• 6:14
  with
• 6:14
  him.
• 6:14
  You
• 6:14
  know,
• 6:14
  I
• 6:15
  think
• 6:15
  I
• 6:15
  was
• 6:16
  at
• 6:16
  an
• 6:16
  age
• 6:16
  when
• 6:16
  I
• 6:16
  first
• 6:16
  met
• 6:17
  him
• 6:17
  that
• 6:17
  I
• 6:17
  wanted
• 6:17
  to
• 6:17
  catch
• 6:17
  all
• 6:18
  the
• 6:18
  fish
• 6:18
  and
• 6:18
  all
• 6:19
  the
• 6:19
  big
• 6:19
  fish,
• 6:19
  you
• 6:19
  know,
• 6:20
  and
• 6:20
  he,
• 6:21
  he
• 6:21
  was
• 6:21
  much
• 6:22
  more
• 6:22
  patient.
• 6:23
  And
• 6:23
  I
• 6:23
  think,
• 6:23
  you
• 6:23
  know,
• 6:24
  looking
• 6:24
  at
• 6:24
  runs
• 6:26
  and
• 6:26
  the
• 6:26
  way
• 6:26
  you
• 6:26
  dissect
• 6:27
  those
• 6:27
  runs
• 6:27
  versus
• 6:28
  just
• 6:28
  going
• 6:28
  in
• 6:28
  there
• 6:28
  and
• 6:28
  trying
• 6:28
  to,
• 6:28
  you
• 6:29
  know,
• 6:29
  just
• 6:29
  go
• 6:29
  in
• 6:29
  there
• 6:29
  and
• 6:30
  catch
• 6:30
  a
• 6:30
  fish.
• 6:30
  Right?
• 6:30
  Like
• 6:30
  he
• 6:31
  would
• 6:31
  want
• 6:31
  to
• 6:31
  catch
• 6:31
  them
• 6:31
  all.
• 6:31
  So,
• 6:33
  yeah,
• 6:33
  Those
• 6:33
  are
• 6:33
  a
• 6:34
  few.
• 6:34
  But,
• 6:34
  you
• 6:34
  know,
• 6:34
  I
• 6:35
  feel
• 6:35
  very
• 6:35
  lucky,
• 6:36
  like
• 6:36
  you
• 6:36
  say,
• 6:36
  to
• 6:36
  be
• 6:37
  in
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  cradle
• 6:38
  and
• 6:38
  have
• 6:38
  people
• 6:39
  that,
• 6:39
  you
• 6:39
  know,
• 6:40
  that
• 6:40
  not
• 6:40
  necessarily
• 6:41
  wanted,
• 6:41
  you
• 6:42
  know,
• 6:42
  like,
• 6:42
  were
• 6:43
  very
• 6:43
  thoughtful
• 6:43
  about
• 6:43
  teaching
• 6:44
  me,
• 6:44
  but
• 6:44
  that
• 6:44
  I
• 6:44
  was
• 6:44
  just
• 6:45
  around.
• 6:45
  Yeah,
• 6:46
  that's
• 6:46
  pretty
• 6:46
  neat.
• 6:46
  It's
• 6:46
  important,
• 6:47
  you
• 6:47
  know,
• 6:48
  to
• 6:48
  kind
• 6:48
  of
• 6:48
  get
• 6:48
  that,
• 6:49
  that
• 6:49
  jackrabbit
• 6:50
  of
• 6:50
  youth
• 6:50
  out
• 6:50
  of
• 6:50
  your
• 6:51
  system.
• 6:51
  It'll
• 6:51
  make
• 6:51
  you
• 6:51
  kind
• 6:52
  of
• 6:52
  a
• 6:52
  better
• 6:53
  at
• 6:53
  lots
• 6:53
  of
• 6:53
  different
• 6:53
  things.
• 6:54
  Right,
• 6:55
  Good
• 6:55
  description.
• 6:55
  The
• 6:56
  jackrabbit
• 6:56
  of
• 6:56
  youth.
• 6:57
  I'm
• 6:57
  going
• 6:57
  to
• 6:57
  borrow
• 6:57
  that.
• 6:57
  That's
• 6:58
  a
• 6:58
  great
• 6:58
  one.
• 6:58
  Yeah,
• 6:58
  no,
• 6:59
  it's.
• 6:59
  Absolutely.
• 6:59
  I'll
• 7:00
  license
• 7:00
  that
• 7:00
  to
• 7:00
  you.
• 7:01
  You
• 7:01
  know,
• 7:02
  so
• 7:02
  it's
• 7:02
  interesting
• 7:02
  you
• 7:02
  spent
• 7:04
  in
• 7:04
  conservation
• 7:05
  and
• 7:05
  grassroots
• 7:05
  advocacy.
• 7:06
  And
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  was
• 7:06
  kind
• 7:06
  of
• 7:06
  curious,
• 7:07
  I
• 7:07
  mean,
• 7:07
  you
• 7:08
  know,
• 7:08
  to
• 7:08
  do
• 7:08
  something
• 7:08
  literally
• 7:09
  for,
• 7:09
  you
• 7:09
  know,
• 7:09
  gosh,
• 7:10
  about
• 7:10
  30
• 7:10
  years,
• 7:10
  right.
• 7:11
  You
• 7:11
  got
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  be
• 7:12
  passionate
• 7:12
  about
• 7:12
  it.
• 7:13
  And
• 7:13
  I
• 7:13
  was
• 7:13
  kind
• 7:13
  of
• 7:13
  curious,
• 7:13
  like
• 7:14
  where
• 7:14
  that
• 7:14
  interest
• 7:14
  and
• 7:14
  passion
• 7:15
  for
• 7:15
  that
• 7:16
  particular
• 7:17
  kind
• 7:17
  of
• 7:17
  issue
• 7:18
  and
• 7:18
  that
• 7:18
  modality
• 7:19
  came
• 7:19
  from.
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  mean,
• 7:20
  I'd
• 7:21
  start
• 7:21
  with
• 7:21
  my
• 7:21
  parents.
• 7:22
  You
• 7:22
  know,
• 7:22
  they
• 7:22
  were
• 7:23
  the
• 7:23
  first
• 7:23
  full
• 7:23
  time
• 7:23
  conservation
• 7:24
  lobbyists
• 7:24
  at
• 7:24
  the
• 7:25
  state
• 7:25
  legislature,
• 7:25
  but
• 7:26
  they
• 7:26
  helped
• 7:26
  start
• 7:26
  numerous
• 7:27
  organizations
• 7:29
  in
• 7:29
  this
• 7:29
  state.
• 7:30
  And
• 7:30
  then,
• 7:30
  you
• 7:30
  know,
• 7:30
  I
• 7:30
  mentioned
• 7:32
  Jim
• 7:32
  Range,
• 7:33
  who
• 7:33
  was
• 7:33
  with
• 7:34
  the
• 7:34
  trcp.
• 7:35
  I
• 7:35
  mean,
• 7:35
  that
• 7:35
  guy,
• 7:36
  like
• 7:36
  when
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  was
• 7:37
  at
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  theater,
• 7:38
  Roosevelt
• 7:38
  Conservation
• 7:38
  Partnership.
• 7:39
  We
• 7:39
  built
• 7:39
  a
• 7:39
  gigantic
• 7:40
  grassroots
• 7:41
  bag
• 7:41
  network
• 7:42
  to
• 7:42
  deal
• 7:42
  with
• 7:42
  roadless,
• 7:43
  which
• 7:43
  is
• 7:43
  funny
• 7:43
  because
• 7:43
  we're
• 7:44
  dealing
• 7:44
  with
• 7:44
  roadless
• 7:44
  right
• 7:45
  now
• 7:45
  too.
• 7:46
  But
• 7:46
  you
• 7:46
  know,
• 7:47
  to
• 7:47
  make
• 7:47
  sure
• 7:47
  that
• 7:47
  you're,
• 7:48
  you're
• 7:49
  getting
• 7:49
  the
• 7:49
  people
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  speak.
• 7:50
  You
• 7:50
  know,
• 7:50
  he
• 7:50
  came
• 7:50
  from
• 7:50
  Washington
• 7:51
  D.C.
• 7:51
  where
• 7:52
  everybody
• 7:52
  in
• 7:52
  D.C.
• 7:52
  thinks
• 7:53
  the
• 7:53
  world
• 7:53
  revolves
• 7:53
  around
• 7:54
  D.C.
• 7:54
  which
• 7:54
  in
• 7:55
  a
• 7:55
  lot
• 7:55
  of
• 7:55
  ways
• 7:55
  it
• 7:55
  does.
• 7:56
  But
• 7:56
  democracy
• 7:57
  is
• 7:57
  run
• 7:58
  by
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  people.
• 7:58
  And
• 7:59
  so
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  think,
• 7:59
  you
• 8:00
  know,
• 8:00
  through
• 8:00
  my
• 8:00
  parents,
• 8:02
  through
• 8:02
  my
• 8:02
  mentors,
• 8:03
  I
• 8:03
  mean,
• 8:04
  Jim
• 8:04
  Posewitz
• 8:04
  is
• 8:05
  another
• 8:05
  great
• 8:05
  example.
• 8:05
  You
• 8:05
  know,
• 8:06
  he
• 8:06
  wrote
• 8:06
  five
• 8:06
  books,
• 8:07
  but
• 8:07
  he
• 8:07
  would
• 8:07
  tour
• 8:08
  around
• 8:08
  the
• 8:08
  country
• 8:08
  and
• 8:09
  talk
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  any
• 8:10
  group,
• 8:10
  no
• 8:10
  matter
• 8:10
  how
• 8:11
  big,
• 8:11
  how
• 8:12
  small,
• 8:13
  about
• 8:13
  kind
• 8:13
  of
• 8:14
  like
• 8:14
  he
• 8:14
  wrote
• 8:14
  about,
• 8:14
  you
• 8:15
  know,
• 8:15
  conservation
• 8:15
  ethics.
• 8:17
  And
• 8:17
  so,
• 8:18
  you
• 8:18
  know,
• 8:18
  that
• 8:19
  just
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  people
• 8:19
  I
• 8:20
  was
• 8:20
  around,
• 8:20
  you
• 8:21
  know,
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  people,
• 8:23
  democracy
• 8:23
  works
• 8:24
  if
• 8:24
  the
• 8:24
  people
• 8:24
  speak
• 8:25
  up.
• 8:25
  And
• 8:25
  you
• 8:25
  know,
• 8:25
  I
• 8:26
  think
• 8:26
  that
• 8:26
  I've
• 8:26
  found
• 8:26
  a
• 8:27
  long
• 8:27
  time
• 8:27
  ago
• 8:27
  that
• 8:28
  that
• 8:28
  is
• 8:28
  rings
• 8:28
  true
• 8:29
  every
• 8:29
  single
• 8:29
  time.
• 8:30
  We
• 8:30
  might
• 8:30
  not
• 8:30
  win
• 8:31
  every
• 8:31
  single
• 8:31
  time,
• 8:31
  but
• 8:32
  you
• 8:32
  know,
• 8:32
  those
• 8:32
  voices
• 8:32
  at
• 8:33
  the
• 8:33
  table
• 8:33
  are
• 8:34
  super
• 8:34
  important.
• 8:35
  So
• 8:35
  I've
• 8:35
  learned
• 8:35
  that,
• 8:35
  you
• 8:36
  know,
• 8:36
  again
• 8:36
  from
• 8:36
  my
• 8:36
  parents
• 8:37
  and
• 8:37
  others.
• 8:38
  And
• 8:39
  yeah,
• 8:39
  you
• 8:39
  get
• 8:39
  some
• 8:40
  losses
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  that
• 8:40
  sucks.
• 8:41
  It
• 8:41
  really
• 8:41
  does.
• 8:42
  You
• 8:42
  know,
• 8:42
  or
• 8:42
  things
• 8:42
  take
• 8:43
  forever.
• 8:43
  You
• 8:43
  know,
• 8:44
  policy,
• 8:45
  sure
• 8:45
  you
• 8:45
  can
• 8:46
  have
• 8:46
  some
• 8:46
  wins
• 8:47
  and
• 8:47
  especially
• 8:47
  the
• 8:48
  stuff
• 8:48
  that
• 8:48
  you
• 8:48
  push
• 8:48
  back
• 8:49
  against
• 8:49
  that
• 8:49
  are
• 8:49
  the
• 8:50
  negative
• 8:50
  things
• 8:50
  you
• 8:50
  might
• 8:51
  win
• 8:51
  because
• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
  stopped
• 8:52
  it.
• 8:53
  But
• 8:53
  a
• 8:53
  Lot
• 8:53
  of
• 8:53
  the
• 8:53
  positive
• 8:53
  things
• 8:54
  that
• 8:54
  you
• 8:54
  do.
• 8:54
  I
• 8:54
  mean,
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  Land
• 8:55
  and
• 8:55
  Water
• 8:55
  Conservation
• 8:55
  Fund
• 8:56
  is
• 8:56
  something
• 8:56
  that
• 8:56
  I
• 8:56
  worked
• 8:56
  on
• 8:57
  for,
• 8:57
  you
• 8:57
  know,
• 8:57
  pretty
• 8:58
  much
• 8:58
  my
• 8:58
  entire
• 8:58
  career,
• 8:59
  25
• 8:59
  years
• 9:00
  until
• 9:00
  we
• 9:01
  got
• 9:01
  permanent,
• 9:02
  you
• 9:02
  know,
• 9:02
  funding
• 9:02
  for
• 9:03
  that
• 9:03
  at
• 9:03
  $900
• 9:03
  million
• 9:04
  a
• 9:04
  year
• 9:04
  for
• 9:05
  access
• 9:05
  and
• 9:05
  conservation,
• 9:06
  like,
• 9:07
  that's
• 9:07
  like
• 9:07
  hitting
• 9:07
  your
• 9:07
  head
• 9:07
  against
• 9:08
  the
• 9:08
  wall
• 9:08
  for
• 9:08
  25
• 9:09
  years,
• 9:09
  you
• 9:09
  know,
• 9:09
  but
• 9:10
  finally
• 9:10
  the
• 9:10
  politics
• 9:11
  got
• 9:11
  right
• 9:11
  and
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  broke
• 9:11
  through.
• 9:12
  So,
• 9:12
  you
• 9:13
  know,
• 9:13
  you
• 9:13
  ask,
• 9:14
  like,
• 9:14
  why?
• 9:15
  It's
• 9:15
  just
• 9:15
  because
• 9:15
  I've
• 9:16
  seen
• 9:16
  it
• 9:16
  work,
• 9:16
  and
• 9:16
  I
• 9:17
  just
• 9:17
  believe
• 9:18
  wholeheartedly
• 9:19
  in
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  people
• 9:19
  and
• 9:20
  I
• 9:20
  believe
• 9:20
  in
• 9:20
  our
• 9:20
  democracy
• 9:21
  system.
• 9:21
  And
• 9:22
  so,
• 9:22
  you
• 9:22
  know,
• 9:23
  that's
• 9:23
  kind
• 9:23
  of
• 9:23
  a
• 9:23
  great
• 9:24
  segue
• 9:24
  to
• 9:24
  the
• 9:24
  next
• 9:24
  question,
• 9:25
  which
• 9:25
  is,
• 9:25
  you
• 9:25
  know,
• 9:25
  there.
• 9:26
  There
• 9:26
  are
• 9:26
  multiple
• 9:27
  avenues,
• 9:28
  right,
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  skin
• 9:28
  this
• 9:29
  cat.
• 9:30
  And
• 9:31
  I
• 9:31
  know
• 9:31
  why
• 9:31
  it's,
• 9:31
  you
• 9:32
  know,
• 9:33
  resonates
• 9:33
  with
• 9:33
  you,
• 9:34
  but
• 9:34
  why
• 9:34
  should
• 9:34
  other
• 9:34
  people,
• 9:35
  when
• 9:35
  they're
• 9:35
  saying,
• 9:35
  well,
• 9:35
  gosh,
• 9:36
  I
• 9:36
  could
• 9:36
  go
• 9:36
  work
• 9:36
  for
• 9:36
  a
• 9:37
  lobbyist,
• 9:37
  I
• 9:37
  could
• 9:37
  go
• 9:38
  work
• 9:38
  for
• 9:38
  an
• 9:38
  NGO
• 9:39
  or
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  could
• 9:39
  be
• 9:40
  an
• 9:40
  organizer,
• 9:40
  why
• 9:41
  should
• 9:41
  they
• 9:41
  kind
• 9:41
  of
• 9:42
  dig
• 9:42
  in
• 9:43
  on
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  grassroots
• 9:44
  side
• 9:44
  as
• 9:44
  opposed
• 9:44
  to
• 9:44
  going
• 9:45
  down
• 9:45
  a
• 9:45
  different
• 9:45
  path?
• 9:47
  You
• 9:47
  know,
• 9:47
  I'm
• 9:47
  not
• 9:47
  going
• 9:47
  to
• 9:47
  discourage
• 9:48
  from
• 9:48
  anybody
• 9:48
  from
• 9:48
  doing
• 9:48
  that.
• 9:49
  Right.
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  think
• 9:49
  it
• 9:49
  takes
• 9:49
  all
• 9:50
  people.
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  mean,
• 9:51
  that
• 9:51
  takes,
• 9:51
  you
• 9:51
  know,
• 9:51
  I
• 9:52
  think
• 9:52
  business
• 9:52
  people.
• 9:53
  I
• 9:53
  think
• 9:53
  that
• 9:53
  takes,
• 9:53
  you
• 9:54
  know,
• 9:54
  if
• 9:54
  you're
• 9:54
  an
• 9:54
  artist
• 9:54
  and
• 9:55
  you
• 9:55
  make
• 9:55
  music
• 9:55
  or
• 9:55
  you
• 9:56
  make
• 9:56
  art,
• 9:56
  like,
• 9:56
  use
• 9:57
  that
• 9:57
  talent.
• 9:57
  Right?
• 9:57
  But
• 9:58
  I
• 9:58
  think
• 9:59
  one
• 9:59
  of
• 9:59
  the
• 9:59
  things
• 9:59
  I
• 9:59
  like
• 9:59
  about
• 10:00
  grassroots
• 10:00
  activism
• 10:01
  is
• 10:01
  it's
• 10:01
  like,
• 10:01
  do
• 10:01
  what
• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  can
• 10:03
  with
• 10:04
  what
• 10:04
  you
• 10:04
  got,
• 10:04
  where
• 10:05
  you
• 10:05
  are.
• 10:05
  Right?
• 10:05
  And
• 10:06
  so
• 10:06
  a
• 10:06
  lot
• 10:06
  of
• 10:06
  people,
• 10:06
  you
• 10:07
  know,
• 10:07
  they
• 10:07
  maybe
• 10:07
  have
• 10:08
  a
• 10:08
  different
• 10:08
  career,
• 10:08
  and
• 10:08
  they
• 10:09
  only
• 10:09
  have
• 10:09
  a
• 10:09
  certain
• 10:09
  amount
• 10:09
  of
• 10:10
  time.
• 10:10
  And
• 10:10
  so
• 10:10
  grassroots
• 10:11
  is
• 10:11
  kind
• 10:11
  of
• 10:11
  the
• 10:11
  only
• 10:11
  thing
• 10:12
  they
• 10:12
  can
• 10:12
  do.
• 10:12
  And
• 10:13
  so
• 10:13
  to
• 10:13
  me,
• 10:15
  you
• 10:15
  know,
• 10:15
  going
• 10:15
  back
• 10:15
  to,
• 10:16
  again,
• 10:16
  that
• 10:16
  tail
• 10:16
  kind
• 10:17
  of
• 10:17
  wagging
• 10:17
  the
• 10:17
  dog,
• 10:18
  democracy,
• 10:19
  you
• 10:19
  know,
• 10:19
  that's
• 10:20
  the.
• 10:21
  The
• 10:21
  squeaky
• 10:21
  wheel
• 10:22
  gets
• 10:22
  the
• 10:22
  grease
• 10:22
  in
• 10:23
  a
• 10:23
  lot
• 10:23
  of
• 10:23
  ways.
• 10:23
  Right?
• 10:23
  And
• 10:24
  so
• 10:24
  that
• 10:24
  noise
• 10:24
  needs
• 10:25
  to
• 10:25
  be
• 10:25
  loud
• 10:25
  from
• 10:25
  the
• 10:25
  grassroots.
• 10:26
  And
• 10:26
  so
• 10:27
  then
• 10:27
  that
• 10:27
  lobbyist,
• 10:28
  as
• 10:28
  you
• 10:28
  described,
• 10:28
  then
• 10:29
  can
• 10:29
  go
• 10:29
  into
• 10:29
  a
• 10:29
  room
• 10:30
  in
• 10:30
  D.C.
• 10:31
  and
• 10:31
  there,
• 10:31
  you
• 10:32
  know,
• 10:32
  there's
• 10:32
  a
• 10:32
  bunch
• 10:32
  of
• 10:32
  noise
• 10:33
  from
• 10:33
  the
• 10:33
  field
• 10:33
  and
• 10:33
  like,
• 10:34
  hey,
• 10:34
  are
• 10:34
  you
• 10:34
  hearing
• 10:34
  this?
• 10:35
  Oh,
• 10:35
  I'm
• 10:35
  hearing
• 10:35
  this.
• 10:36
  Well,
• 10:36
  okay,
• 10:36
  let's
• 10:36
  talk
• 10:36
  about
• 10:37
  this
• 10:37
  and
• 10:37
  let's
• 10:37
  figure
• 10:37
  out
• 10:37
  a
• 10:38
  compromise
• 10:38
  or
• 10:38
  a
• 10:39
  way
• 10:39
  forward,
• 10:39
  whatever
• 10:39
  that
• 10:40
  is.
• 10:40
  But
• 10:40
  that
• 10:41
  does
• 10:41
  not
• 10:41
  happen
• 10:42
  without
• 10:42
  that
• 10:42
  pushback
• 10:43
  from
• 10:43
  the
• 10:43
  grassroots.
• 10:43
  And
• 10:44
  so,
• 10:44
  you
• 10:44
  know,
• 10:44
  people
• 10:44
  listening
• 10:45
  to
• 10:45
  this
• 10:45
  grassroots,
• 10:46
  please.
• 10:46
  You
• 10:47
  know,
• 10:47
  I'm
• 10:47
  not
• 10:47
  going
• 10:47
  to
• 10:47
  say
• 10:48
  it's
• 10:48
  easy,
• 10:48
  but
• 10:48
  it's
• 10:48
  probably
• 10:49
  the
• 10:49
  easiest
• 10:49
  thing
• 10:49
  to
• 10:49
  put
• 10:50
  into
• 10:50
  your
• 10:50
  life
• 10:51
  where
• 10:51
  you
• 10:51
  can
• 10:51
  make
• 10:51
  a
• 10:51
  difference.
• 10:53
  Yeah,
• 10:53
  I
• 10:53
  think
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  important
• 10:54
  thing,
• 10:54
  too
• 10:54
  is
• 10:54
  because
• 10:54
  we're
• 10:55
  both
• 10:55
  raising
• 10:55
  children
• 10:55
  is,
• 10:56
  you
• 10:56
  know,
• 10:57
  to
• 10:57
  tell
• 10:57
  them
• 10:57
  that
• 10:57
  it's,
• 10:58
  you
• 10:58
  know,
• 10:59
  it's
• 10:59
  not
• 10:59
  about
• 10:59
  talking
• 11:00
  about
• 11:00
  doing
• 11:00
  stuff,
• 11:00
  it's
• 11:01
  about
• 11:01
  doing
• 11:01
  stuff.
• 11:02
  Yes,
• 11:02
  Right.
• 11:03
  And
• 11:03
  I
• 11:03
  think,
• 11:04
  you
• 11:04
  know,
• 11:04
  regardless
• 11:05
  of
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  issue,
• 11:05
  conservation,
• 11:06
  whatever
• 11:06
  it
• 11:07
  is,
• 11:08
  you
• 11:08
  know,
• 11:08
  we
• 11:08
  as
• 11:08
  a
• 11:08
  country
• 11:09
  suffer
• 11:09
  because
• 11:10
  they're
• 11:10
  not
• 11:10
  enough
• 11:10
  people
• 11:11
  putting
• 11:11
  their
• 11:11
  shoulder
• 11:12
  to
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  stone,
• 11:12
  regardless
• 11:13
  of
• 11:13
  their
• 11:13
  opinion.
• 11:14
  Right.
• 11:15
  Yeah.
• 11:16
  Yeah.
• 11:16
  I
• 11:17
  mean,
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  world
• 11:17
  is
• 11:17
  run
• 11:18
  by
• 11:18
  those
• 11:18
  who
• 11:18
  show
• 11:18
  up,
• 11:19
  you
• 11:19
  know,
• 11:19
  And.
• 11:20
  And,
• 11:20
  you
• 11:20
  know,
• 11:20
  people
• 11:22
  think
• 11:22
  that
• 11:22
  their
• 11:22
  voice
• 11:23
  doesn't
• 11:23
  count
• 11:23
  right
• 11:24
  now.
• 11:24
  And
• 11:24
  I
• 11:24
  understand
• 11:24
  that.
• 11:25
  Right.
• 11:25
  That
• 11:25
  sometimes,
• 11:26
  like,
• 11:26
  the
• 11:26
  pressures
• 11:27
  of.
• 11:27
  You
• 11:28
  look
• 11:28
  at,
• 11:28
  you
• 11:29
  know,
• 11:29
  the
• 11:30
  influence
• 11:30
  of
• 11:30
  money
• 11:30
  in
• 11:31
  particular
• 11:31
  in
• 11:31
  politics,
• 11:32
  and
• 11:33
  I
• 11:33
  would
• 11:33
  agree
• 11:33
  that,
• 11:34
  you
• 11:34
  know,
• 11:34
  those
• 11:34
  things
• 11:34
  are
• 11:34
  there,
• 11:35
  but,
• 11:35
  man,
• 11:35
  if
• 11:35
  you
• 11:36
  don't
• 11:36
  show
• 11:36
  up,
• 11:36
  then,
• 11:36
  you
• 11:37
  know,
• 11:37
  and
• 11:37
  we.
• 11:38
  We
• 11:38
  really.
• 11:39
  We
• 11:39
  don't
• 11:39
  have
• 11:39
  a
• 11:39
  chance
• 11:40
  at
• 11:40
  all.
• 11:40
  Right.
• 11:40
  And
• 11:41
  so
• 11:41
  to
• 11:41
  me,
• 11:41
  like,
• 11:42
  I
• 11:42
  love
• 11:42
  that
• 11:42
  idea
• 11:42
  of
• 11:43
  doing,
• 11:43
  you
• 11:44
  know,
• 11:45
  and
• 11:45
  in
• 11:45
  that
• 11:46
  doing,
• 11:46
  you're
• 11:46
  gonna
• 11:46
  fail,
• 11:47
  and
• 11:47
  that
• 11:48
  failure
• 11:48
  is
• 11:48
  sometimes
• 11:49
  one
• 11:49
  of
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  best
• 11:49
  things
• 11:50
  because
• 11:50
  you
• 11:50
  learn
• 11:50
  from
• 11:50
  it.
• 11:51
  Right.
• 11:51
  And.
• 11:51
  And
• 11:52
  to
• 11:52
  me,
• 11:52
  you
• 11:52
  know,
• 11:53
  you
• 11:53
  mentioned
• 11:53
  our
• 11:53
  kids.
• 11:54
  Like,
• 11:54
  I.
• 11:54
  I
• 11:54
  do.
• 11:55
  Like,
• 11:55
  you
• 11:55
  get
• 11:55
  out
• 11:55
  there
• 11:56
  and
• 11:56
  you
• 11:56
  try
• 11:56
  stuff,
• 11:57
  and
• 11:57
  no
• 11:57
  matter
• 11:57
  what,
• 11:58
  you're
• 11:58
  gonna
• 11:58
  learn
• 11:58
  from
• 11:58
  that.
• 11:59
  And
• 11:59
  so
• 11:59
  I
• 11:59
  think
• 11:59
  grassroots,
• 12:00
  just
• 12:00
  the
• 12:00
  grassroots
• 12:01
  nature
• 12:01
  in
• 12:01
  general,
• 12:02
  is
• 12:02
  about
• 12:03
  doing
• 12:04
  and
• 12:04
  then
• 12:04
  learning
• 12:05
  from
• 12:05
  those
• 12:05
  experiences.
• 12:06
  Yeah.
• 12:06
  It's
• 12:06
  funny,
• 12:06
  too,
• 12:06
  because
• 12:07
  the
• 12:07
  flip
• 12:07
  side
• 12:07
  of
• 12:07
  that
• 12:07
  with
• 12:08
  kids
• 12:08
  is
• 12:08
  you.
• 12:08
  I
• 12:08
  always
• 12:09
  tell
• 12:09
  my
• 12:09
  boys
• 12:09
  to
• 12:09
  watch
• 12:10
  what
• 12:10
  they
• 12:10
  do,
• 12:10
  not
• 12:10
  what
• 12:10
  they
• 12:11
  say.
• 12:13
  Fair,
• 12:14
  fair,
• 12:14
  fair.
• 12:15
  There's,
• 12:15
  like,
• 12:15
  doing
• 12:16
  has.
• 12:16
  Has
• 12:16
  definitely.
• 12:17
  There's
• 12:17
  some
• 12:17
  accountability
• 12:18
  with
• 12:18
  doing,
• 12:18
  but
• 12:18
  that
• 12:18
  is
• 12:19
  not
• 12:19
  bad
• 12:19
  either.
• 12:19
  Right.
• 12:20
  Because
• 12:20
  again,
• 12:20
  like,
• 12:20
  you
• 12:21
  learn
• 12:21
  from
• 12:21
  them.
• 12:21
  Yeah.
• 12:22
  So,
• 12:22
  you
• 12:22
  know,
• 12:22
  it's
• 12:23
  interesting.
• 12:23
  We've
• 12:23
  talked
• 12:23
  about
• 12:23
  this
• 12:24
  multiple
• 12:24
  times,
• 12:24
  and
• 12:24
  I've
• 12:25
  always
• 12:25
  kind
• 12:25
  of
• 12:26
  for
• 12:27
  my
• 12:27
  own
• 12:27
  not
• 12:27
  for
• 12:27
  profit
• 12:28
  experience,
• 12:28
  but
• 12:28
  also
• 12:28
  just
• 12:29
  kind
• 12:29
  of
• 12:29
  being
• 12:29
  around
• 12:30
  the
• 12:30
  outdoor
• 12:30
  industries,
• 12:31
  you
• 12:32
  know,
• 12:32
  and
• 12:32
  looking
• 12:32
  in
• 12:32
  at
• 12:33
  kind
• 12:33
  of
• 12:33
  what
• 12:33
  you
• 12:33
  did
• 12:33
  while
• 12:34
  you
• 12:34
  were
• 12:34
  backcountry
• 12:34
  hunters
• 12:35
  and
• 12:35
  anglers.
• 12:35
  And,
• 12:36
  you
• 12:36
  know,
• 12:36
  there
• 12:37
  are
• 12:37
  lots
• 12:37
  of
• 12:37
  outdoor
• 12:38
  organizations.
• 12:38
  But
• 12:38
  I
• 12:39
  think
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  thing
• 12:39
  that
• 12:39
  always
• 12:40
  strikes
• 12:40
  me
• 12:41
  is
• 12:42
  how
• 12:42
  broad
• 12:43
  based
• 12:43
  a
• 12:43
  coalition
• 12:44
  you
• 12:44
  built
• 12:44
  where
• 12:45
  you
• 12:45
  had
• 12:45
  young
• 12:46
  people
• 12:46
  and
• 12:46
  old
• 12:46
  people,
• 12:47
  liberals
• 12:47
  and
• 12:47
  conservatives.
• 12:48
  I
• 12:48
  mean,
• 12:48
  you
• 12:48
  had
• 12:49
  duck
• 12:49
  hunters,
• 12:49
  fly
• 12:50
  fishermen,
• 12:50
  gear
• 12:50
  guys,
• 12:51
  deer
• 12:51
  hunters,
• 12:51
  elk
• 12:52
  hunters.
• 12:53
  And
• 12:53
  that's.
• 12:54
  I
• 12:54
  mean,
• 12:54
  it's.
• 12:55
  I
• 12:55
  think
• 12:55
  it's
• 12:55
  actually
• 12:55
  singular.
• 12:56
  Right.
• 12:56
  Like,
• 12:57
  I
• 12:57
  think
• 12:57
  it's
• 12:57
  even
• 12:57
  more
• 12:58
  than
• 12:58
  just
• 12:58
  saying
• 12:58
  it's
• 12:58
  unique.
• 12:58
  Like,
• 12:59
  I
• 12:59
  don't
• 12:59
  think
• 12:59
  there's
• 12:59
  another
• 12:59
  organization
• 13:00
  in
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  space
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  accomplished
• 13:02
  that.
• 13:02
  And
• 13:02
  I
• 13:02
  was
• 13:02
  really
• 13:02
  kind
• 13:02
  of
• 13:03
  curious,
• 13:04
  you
• 13:04
  know,
• 13:04
  if
• 13:04
  you
• 13:04
  could
• 13:04
  share
• 13:04
  your
• 13:05
  secret
• 13:05
  sauce
• 13:05
  with
• 13:05
  us
• 13:06
  this
• 13:06
  morning.
• 13:07
  Let's
• 13:07
  get
• 13:07
  to
• 13:08
  the
• 13:08
  recipe.
• 13:08
  So
• 13:09
  I
• 13:09
  mean,
• 13:09
  I.
• 13:11
  It's
• 13:12
  a
• 13:12
  great
• 13:12
  question.
• 13:12
  And
• 13:13
  I've
• 13:13
  been,
• 13:13
  you
• 13:13
  know,
• 13:14
  I
• 13:14
  think
• 13:14
  about
• 13:14
  this
• 13:14
  stuff
• 13:14
  often.
• 13:15
  I
• 13:15
  mean,
• 13:16
  I.
• 13:16
  I
• 13:16
  break
• 13:16
  it
• 13:17
  down
• 13:17
  maybe
• 13:17
  into
• 13:17
  three
• 13:17
  things,
• 13:18
  but
• 13:18
  then
• 13:18
  know
• 13:18
  that
• 13:18
  there's
• 13:19
  much
• 13:19
  more
• 13:19
  to
• 13:19
  this
• 13:19
  recipe.
• 13:20
  Right.
• 13:20
  But
• 13:21
  to
• 13:21
  keep
• 13:21
  it,
• 13:21
  like,
• 13:22
  kind
• 13:22
  of
• 13:22
  simple,
• 13:23
  I
• 13:23
  think
• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  first
• 13:24
  one
• 13:24
  would
• 13:24
  be
• 13:24
  just
• 13:25
  fun.
• 13:26
  Like.
• 13:27
  Like
• 13:27
  the
• 13:27
  issues
• 13:28
  that
• 13:28
  we
• 13:28
  deal
• 13:28
  with
• 13:28
  are
• 13:29
  very
• 13:29
  serious.
• 13:30
  And,
• 13:30
  you
• 13:30
  know,
• 13:31
  and.
• 13:31
  And
• 13:32
  then
• 13:32
  also,
• 13:32
  you
• 13:32
  know,
• 13:32
  a
• 13:33
  lot
• 13:33
  of
• 13:33
  these
• 13:33
  older
• 13:33
  nonprofits,
• 13:34
  they're
• 13:34
  very
• 13:35
  systematic
• 13:35
  about
• 13:35
  the
• 13:36
  way
• 13:36
  they
• 13:36
  do
• 13:36
  things,
• 13:37
  and
• 13:37
  it's
• 13:37
  not
• 13:38
  that
• 13:38
  much
• 13:38
  fun.
• 13:38
  Like,
• 13:39
  you
• 13:39
  know
• 13:39
  what
• 13:39
  you're
• 13:39
  going
• 13:39
  to
• 13:39
  get
• 13:39
  when
• 13:40
  you
• 13:40
  show
• 13:40
  up.
• 13:40
  And
• 13:40
  so
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  fun,
• 13:41
  you
• 13:42
  know,
• 13:42
  we
• 13:42
  did
• 13:42
  pint
• 13:42
  nights,
• 13:43
  we
• 13:43
  did
• 13:43
  brew
• 13:43
  fest,
• 13:44
  we
• 13:44
  did
• 13:44
  storytelling
• 13:45
  nights,
• 13:46
  you
• 13:47
  know,
• 13:48
  film
• 13:48
  fest.
• 13:49
  Like,
• 13:49
  the
• 13:49
  meetings
• 13:50
  were.
• 13:51
  I
• 13:51
  guess
• 13:51
  there's
• 13:51
  some
• 13:52
  rules
• 13:52
  of,
• 13:52
  you
• 13:52
  know,
• 13:53
  Robert,
• 13:53
  rules
• 13:53
  of
• 13:53
  order,
• 13:54
  you
• 13:54
  know,
• 13:54
  but
• 13:54
  it
• 13:54
  wasn't
• 13:55
  like
• 13:55
  this
• 13:55
  just
• 13:55
  kind
• 13:55
  of
• 13:56
  really
• 13:56
  stagnant
• 13:57
  kind
• 13:57
  of
• 13:57
  stuff.
• 13:57
  It
• 13:58
  was
• 13:58
  a
• 13:58
  lot
• 13:58
  more
• 13:58
  fun.
• 13:58
  So
• 13:59
  I
• 13:59
  think
• 13:59
  that
• 13:59
  fun
• 14:00
  factor
• 14:00
  is
• 14:00
  number
• 14:00
  one.
• 14:01
  That's
• 14:01
  what
• 14:01
  really,
• 14:02
  I
• 14:02
  think
• 14:02
  attracted
• 14:02
  a
• 14:03
  lot
• 14:03
  of
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  young
• 14:03
  folks.
• 14:03
  But
• 14:03
  also
• 14:05
  the
• 14:05
  older
• 14:05
  folks
• 14:05
  have
• 14:05
  been
• 14:06
  around
• 14:06
  for
• 14:06
  a
• 14:06
  long
• 14:06
  time.
• 14:06
  They
• 14:07
  were
• 14:07
  looking
• 14:07
  for
• 14:07
  something
• 14:07
  different.
• 14:09
  The
• 14:09
  next
• 14:10
  one,
• 14:10
  I
• 14:10
  guess,
• 14:10
  would
• 14:11
  be
• 14:11
  that.
• 14:12
  And
• 14:12
  we've
• 14:12
  talked
• 14:12
  about
• 14:12
  this,
• 14:13
  but
• 14:14
  I
• 14:14
  think
• 14:15
  there's
• 14:15
  a
• 14:15
  lot
• 14:15
  of
• 14:16
  hierarchy
• 14:17
  within
• 14:17
  nonprofits.
• 14:18
  And
• 14:19
  you
• 14:19
  have
• 14:19
  to
• 14:19
  spend
• 14:19
  a
• 14:20
  lot
• 14:20
  of
• 14:20
  time
• 14:20
  in
• 14:21
  a
• 14:21
  nonprofit
• 14:22
  a
• 14:22
  lot
• 14:22
  of
• 14:22
  times
• 14:22
  or
• 14:22
  in
• 14:22
  an
• 14:23
  organization,
• 14:24
  even
• 14:24
  be
• 14:25
  part
• 14:25
  of
• 14:25
  leadership.
• 14:26
  And,
• 14:26
  you
• 14:26
  know,
• 14:26
  you
• 14:26
  have
• 14:27
  to
• 14:27
  pay
• 14:27
  your
• 14:27
  dues,
• 14:28
  supposedly,
• 14:28
  or
• 14:28
  you
• 14:29
  have
• 14:29
  to
• 14:29
  have
• 14:29
  so
• 14:29
  much
• 14:29
  experience
• 14:30
  on
• 14:30
  the
• 14:30
  outside
• 14:31
  and
• 14:32
  at
• 14:32
  bha,
• 14:32
  if
• 14:32
  you
• 14:33
  are
• 14:33
  willing
• 14:33
  to
• 14:33
  step
• 14:34
  up
• 14:34
  and
• 14:34
  volunteer
• 14:35
  your
• 14:35
  time
• 14:35
  and
• 14:36
  your
• 14:36
  energy
• 14:36
  and
• 14:37
  your
• 14:37
  brain,
• 14:39
  we
• 14:39
  let
• 14:39
  you
• 14:39
  be
• 14:40
  part
• 14:40
  of
• 14:40
  that
• 14:40
  leadership.
• 14:40
  And
• 14:41
  I'm
• 14:41
  talking
• 14:41
  about
• 14:41
  at
• 14:42
  a
• 14:42
  volunteer
• 14:42
  level
• 14:42
  in
• 14:42
  particular.
• 14:43
  And
• 14:43
  so
• 14:44
  that,
• 14:44
  you
• 14:44
  know,
• 14:44
  you
• 14:44
  may
• 14:44
  have
• 14:44
  somebody
• 14:45
  that's
• 14:45
  brand
• 14:45
  new
• 14:45
  to
• 14:46
  hunting
• 14:46
  or
• 14:46
  brand
• 14:46
  new
• 14:46
  to
• 14:47
  fishing,
• 14:49
  but
• 14:49
  their
• 14:49
  eyes
• 14:50
  on
• 14:50
  something
• 14:50
  is
• 14:51
  so
• 14:51
  different
• 14:51
  than
• 14:51
  somebody
• 14:52
  that's
• 14:52
  been
• 14:52
  around
• 14:52
  for
• 14:52
  25
• 14:53
  years,
• 14:53
  30
• 14:53
  years,
• 14:53
  right?
• 14:54
  And
• 14:54
  they
• 14:54
  may
• 14:54
  be
• 14:54
  brand
• 14:54
  new
• 14:55
  to
• 14:55
  conservation,
• 14:55
  but
• 14:56
  they
• 14:56
  don't
• 14:56
  have
• 14:57
  maybe
• 14:57
  some
• 14:57
  of
• 14:57
  the
• 14:57
  baggage
• 14:58
  from
• 14:58
  fights
• 14:58
  before
• 14:58
  now.
• 14:59
  They
• 14:59
  don't
• 14:59
  have
• 14:59
  that
• 14:59
  knowledge
• 15:00
  and
• 15:00
  that
• 15:00
  experience,
• 15:01
  which
• 15:01
  we
• 15:01
  need
• 15:01
  to
• 15:02
  kind
• 15:02
  of
• 15:02
  combine.
• 15:03
  I
• 15:03
  always
• 15:03
  used
• 15:03
  to
• 15:03
  say
• 15:03
  that
• 15:04
  you
• 15:04
  got
• 15:04
  to
• 15:04
  combine
• 15:05
  youthful
• 15:05
  exuberance
• 15:06
  and
• 15:08
  that
• 15:09
  sage
• 15:09
  wisdom,
• 15:09
  right?
• 15:10
  You
• 15:10
  know,
• 15:10
  you
• 15:10
  combine
• 15:11
  those
• 15:11
  two,
• 15:11
  that's
• 15:11
  a.
• 15:11
  That's
• 15:11
  a
• 15:12
  very
• 15:12
  secret
• 15:12
  sauce.
• 15:13
  But
• 15:13
  you
• 15:13
  got
• 15:13
  to
• 15:13
  allow
• 15:14
  the
• 15:14
  younger
• 15:14
  folks
• 15:15
  in
• 15:15
  particular,
• 15:15
  an
• 15:15
  opportunity
• 15:16
  to
• 15:16
  lead
• 15:16
  and
• 15:16
  be
• 15:17
  participants
• 15:17
  and
• 15:17
  not
• 15:18
  turn
• 15:18
  them
• 15:18
  away.
• 15:20
  And
• 15:20
  then
• 15:20
  the
• 15:20
  last
• 15:21
  one,
• 15:21
  which,
• 15:22
  you
• 15:22
  know,
• 15:22
  sounds
• 15:22
  simple,
• 15:23
  but
• 15:24
  we
• 15:24
  got
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  stand
• 15:25
  for
• 15:25
  something,
• 15:25
  too,
• 15:26
  right?
• 15:26
  And
• 15:28
  we
• 15:28
  all
• 15:28
  hear
• 15:28
  A
• 15:28
  lot
• 15:29
  of
• 15:29
  political
• 15:29
  speak,
• 15:30
  or
• 15:30
  we
• 15:30
  watch
• 15:30
  people
• 15:31
  not
• 15:31
  engage
• 15:31
  when
• 15:31
  you
• 15:32
  think
• 15:32
  they
• 15:32
  should
• 15:32
  be
• 15:32
  engaging.
• 15:33
  Right.
• 15:33
  And
• 15:33
  I
• 15:34
  think
• 15:34
  about
• 15:34
  organizations
• 15:35
  in
• 15:35
  particular,
• 15:36
  and,
• 15:36
  you
• 15:36
  know,
• 15:37
  right
• 15:37
  now,
• 15:37
  in
• 15:37
  particular,
• 15:38
  there's
• 15:38
  a
• 15:38
  lot
• 15:38
  of
• 15:38
  threats
• 15:39
  to
• 15:39
  our
• 15:39
  conservation
• 15:40
  legacy.
• 15:41
  But
• 15:41
  at
• 15:41
  bha,
• 15:42
  you
• 15:43
  know,
• 15:43
  and
• 15:43
  what
• 15:44
  I'm
• 15:44
  doing
• 15:44
  now
• 15:44
  is
• 15:44
  that,
• 15:45
  you
• 15:45
  know,
• 15:45
  you
• 15:45
  just
• 15:46
  stuck
• 15:46
  up
• 15:46
  for
• 15:46
  the
• 15:46
  resource
• 15:47
  every
• 15:47
  single
• 15:47
  time.
• 15:48
  And
• 15:48
  when
• 15:49
  you
• 15:49
  did
• 15:49
  that,
• 15:50
  people
• 15:50
  saw
• 15:51
  that
• 15:51
  you
• 15:51
  were
• 15:51
  standing
• 15:51
  for
• 15:52
  something
• 15:52
  and,
• 15:52
  you
• 15:52
  know,
• 15:53
  there
• 15:53
  wasn't
• 15:53
  this,
• 15:54
  you
• 15:54
  know,
• 15:54
  real
• 15:55
  political
• 15:55
  speak.
• 15:55
  Now,
• 15:55
  I'm
• 15:56
  not
• 15:56
  going
• 15:56
  to
• 15:56
  say
• 15:56
  that,
• 15:56
  you
• 15:56
  know,
• 15:57
  there
• 15:57
  was
• 15:57
  times
• 15:57
  that
• 15:57
  I
• 15:57
  want
• 15:57
  to
• 15:58
  say
• 15:58
  certain
• 15:58
  things
• 15:58
  that
• 15:58
  I
• 15:58
  didn't
• 15:59
  say,
• 15:59
  but
• 15:59
  I
• 16:00
  said
• 16:00
  or
• 16:00
  I
• 16:00
  said
• 16:00
  it
• 16:00
  in
• 16:00
  a
• 16:00
  different
• 16:01
  way,
• 16:01
  because
• 16:02
  I
• 16:02
  did.
• 16:03
  But
• 16:03
  for
• 16:04
  the
• 16:04
  most
• 16:04
  part,
• 16:04
  you
• 16:04
  know,
• 16:04
  it
• 16:04
  was
• 16:05
  like,
• 16:05
  no,
• 16:05
  we're
• 16:05
  going
• 16:05
  to
• 16:05
  talk
• 16:06
  about
• 16:06
  this,
• 16:06
  and,
• 16:06
  and,
• 16:07
  and
• 16:07
  really
• 16:08
  give
• 16:08
  it
• 16:08
  plainly,
• 16:09
  but
• 16:09
  also
• 16:09
  succinctly
• 16:10
  on
• 16:11
  what
• 16:11
  this
• 16:11
  threat
• 16:12
  is
• 16:12
  and
• 16:12
  why
• 16:12
  and
• 16:12
  who
• 16:13
  you
• 16:13
  should
• 16:13
  go
• 16:13
  talk
• 16:13
  to.
• 16:14
  And
• 16:14
  so
• 16:14
  I
• 16:14
  think,
• 16:14
  you
• 16:15
  know,
• 16:15
  I
• 16:16
  always
• 16:16
  reference,
• 16:16
  like,
• 16:17
  you
• 16:17
  know,
• 16:17
  Tom's
• 16:17
  shoes,
• 16:18
  right.
• 16:18
  So
• 16:18
  these,
• 16:18
  these
• 16:19
  flat
• 16:19
  shoes.
• 16:19
  I
• 16:19
  don't
• 16:20
  know
• 16:20
  if
• 16:20
  you
• 16:20
  know
• 16:20
  about
• 16:20
  these
• 16:20
  Tom
• 16:20
  shoes,
• 16:21
  Right.
• 16:21
  Like,
• 16:21
  I
• 16:21
  remember
• 16:22
  them.
• 16:23
  Got
• 16:23
  them
• 16:23
  dating
• 16:23
  myself
• 16:24
  now
• 16:24
  about
• 16:24
  15,
• 16:24
  20
• 16:25
  years
• 16:25
  ago,
• 16:25
  and
• 16:25
  they're
• 16:25
  coming
• 16:25
  out
• 16:27
  and
• 16:27
  they
• 16:27
  would
• 16:28
  buy
• 16:28
  a
• 16:28
  pair
• 16:28
  of
• 16:28
  shoes,
• 16:29
  you
• 16:29
  know,
• 16:29
  for
• 16:29
  somebody
• 16:30
  in
• 16:30
  a
• 16:30
  developing
• 16:30
  country,
• 16:31
  every
• 16:31
  single
• 16:31
  time
• 16:31
  you
• 16:31
  bought
• 16:32
  a
• 16:32
  pair
• 16:32
  of
• 16:32
  shoes.
• 16:33
  And,
• 16:33
  and
• 16:33
  so
• 16:34
  it
• 16:34
  was
• 16:34
  like
• 16:34
  this
• 16:34
  way
• 16:34
  to
• 16:34
  pay
• 16:34
  it
• 16:35
  forward,
• 16:35
  right?
• 16:35
  Standing
• 16:36
  for
• 16:36
  something.
• 16:36
  And
• 16:36
  I
• 16:37
  think
• 16:37
  that
• 16:37
  company
• 16:37
  took
• 16:38
  off
• 16:38
  not
• 16:38
  because
• 16:38
  their
• 16:39
  shoes
• 16:39
  are
• 16:39
  super
• 16:39
  rad.
• 16:40
  I
• 16:40
  mean,
• 16:40
  I
• 16:40
  can
• 16:40
  own
• 16:40
  a
• 16:40
  pair
• 16:41
  of,
• 16:41
  or
• 16:41
  like,
• 16:41
  I
• 16:41
  don't
• 16:41
  know
• 16:42
  how
• 16:42
  comfortable
• 16:42
  they
• 16:42
  are
• 16:43
  was
• 16:43
  because
• 16:43
  they
• 16:43
  were
• 16:43
  paying
• 16:44
  it
• 16:44
  forward,
• 16:44
  right.
• 16:44
  And
• 16:45
  so
• 16:45
  I
• 16:45
  think
• 16:45
  that
• 16:45
  idea
• 16:46
  of
• 16:46
  standing
• 16:46
  for
• 16:46
  something
• 16:47
  resonates
• 16:47
  in
• 16:48
  this
• 16:48
  world
• 16:48
  and
• 16:48
  folks
• 16:49
  are
• 16:49
  looking
• 16:49
  for
• 16:49
  it.
• 16:50
  So
• 16:50
  those
• 16:50
  are
• 16:51
  three
• 16:51
  of
• 16:51
  the
• 16:51
  recipes.
• 16:51
  I
• 16:52
  mean,
• 16:52
  the
• 16:52
  last
• 16:52
  thing
• 16:52
  I
• 16:52
  guess
• 16:52
  would
• 16:53
  say
• 16:53
  is
• 16:53
  just
• 16:53
  surrounding,
• 16:54
  you
• 16:54
  know,
• 16:54
  myself
• 16:56
  with
• 16:56
  a
• 16:56
  bunch
• 16:56
  of
• 16:56
  amazing
• 16:57
  people.
• 16:57
  You
• 16:57
  know,
• 16:58
  I
• 16:58
  mean,
• 16:58
  I
• 16:58
  mean,
• 16:58
  I
• 16:59
  think
• 16:59
  that,
• 16:59
  you
• 16:59
  know,
• 16:59
  at
• 17:00
  a
• 17:00
  volunteer
• 17:00
  level,
• 17:00
  at
• 17:01
  a
• 17:01
  staff
• 17:01
  level,
• 17:03
  I
• 17:03
  got
• 17:03
  to
• 17:03
  work
• 17:03
  with,
• 17:04
  you
• 17:04
  know,
• 17:04
  some
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  the
• 17:04
  best
• 17:04
  of
• 17:05
  the
• 17:05
  best,
• 17:05
  and
• 17:05
  I
• 17:06
  count
• 17:06
  my
• 17:06
  lucky
• 17:07
  stars
• 17:07
  for
• 17:07
  that.
• 17:08
  Yeah,
• 17:08
  it's
• 17:08
  super
• 17:09
  interesting.
• 17:09
  You
• 17:09
  know,
• 17:09
  listening
• 17:10
  to
• 17:10
  you
• 17:10
  talk,
• 17:10
  it
• 17:10
  makes
• 17:10
  me
• 17:11
  think
• 17:11
  about,
• 17:11
  you
• 17:11
  know,
• 17:11
  Simon
• 17:12
  Sinek
• 17:12
  talking
• 17:12
  about
• 17:13
  why.
• 17:13
  Right.
• 17:14
  And,
• 17:15
  you
• 17:15
  know,
• 17:15
  people,
• 17:16
  you
• 17:16
  know,
• 17:16
  it's
• 17:16
  not
• 17:16
  what
• 17:17
  you
• 17:17
  do
• 17:17
  or
• 17:17
  how
• 17:17
  you
• 17:17
  do
• 17:17
  it,
• 17:18
  it's
• 17:18
  why
• 17:18
  you
• 17:18
  do
• 17:18
  it.
• 17:18
  And
• 17:19
  that's
• 17:19
  what
• 17:19
  makes
• 17:19
  whatever
• 17:20
  it
• 17:20
  is
• 17:20
  you're
• 17:20
  doing
• 17:20
  sticky.
• 17:21
  Right?
• 17:22
  Totally.
• 17:22
  Totally.
• 17:23
  Yeah.
• 17:24
  That's
• 17:24
  great.
• 17:24
  Yeah,
• 17:24
  it's
• 17:24
  super
• 17:25
  interesting,
• 17:25
  too,
• 17:25
  Right?
• 17:25
  I
• 17:26
  mean,
• 17:26
  you
• 17:26
  know,
• 17:26
  we've
• 17:27
  talked
• 17:27
  about
• 17:27
  this
• 17:27
  a
• 17:27
  little
• 17:27
  bit
• 17:28
  too,
• 17:28
  and
• 17:28
  you
• 17:28
  Touched
• 17:28
  on
• 17:28
  it
• 17:28
  earlier.
• 17:29
  You
• 17:29
  know,
• 17:29
  it's
• 17:30
  ironic,
• 17:30
  right?
• 17:30
  We're.
• 17:31
  We're
• 17:32
  more
• 17:32
  connected
• 17:33
  today
• 17:33
  than
• 17:33
  we've
• 17:34
  ever
• 17:34
  been,
• 17:34
  but
• 17:34
  we're
• 17:34
  also
• 17:35
  more
• 17:35
  disconnected
• 17:36
  than
• 17:36
  ever.
• 17:37
  And,
• 17:37
  you
• 17:38
  know,
• 17:38
  one
• 17:38
  of
• 17:38
  the
• 17:38
  great
• 17:38
  challenges
• 17:39
  is
• 17:39
  we
• 17:39
  have
• 17:39
  these,
• 17:40
  you
• 17:40
  know,
• 17:40
  I
• 17:40
  think
• 17:40
  people
• 17:41
  legitimately,
• 17:41
  to
• 17:41
  your
• 17:42
  point
• 17:42
  about
• 17:42
  fund,
• 17:42
  I
• 17:42
  think
• 17:43
  they're
• 17:43
  starved
• 17:43
  for
• 17:43
  authentic
• 17:44
  community,
• 17:44
  Right?
• 17:45
  Absolutely.
• 17:46
  But
• 17:46
  I
• 17:46
  would
• 17:47
  also
• 17:47
  say
• 17:47
  too,
• 17:48
  that,
• 17:48
  you
• 17:49
  know,
• 17:49
  we've
• 17:49
  got
• 17:49
  these
• 17:50
  digital
• 17:50
  tools,
• 17:50
  but
• 17:50
  we're
• 17:51
  not
• 17:51
  really
• 17:51
  making
• 17:52
  great
• 17:52
  use
• 17:52
  of
• 17:52
  them
• 17:52
  for
• 17:53
  that
• 17:53
  type
• 17:53
  of
• 17:53
  connection.
• 17:54
  You
• 17:54
  know,
• 17:54
  what
• 17:54
  do
• 17:54
  you
• 17:54
  think
• 17:54
  we
• 17:55
  can
• 17:55
  do
• 17:55
  to
• 17:55
  kind
• 17:55
  of
• 17:55
  leverage
• 17:56
  these
• 17:56
  kind
• 17:56
  of
• 17:56
  new
• 17:56
  digital
• 17:57
  tools
• 17:57
  that
• 17:57
  we
• 17:58
  have
• 17:58
  to
• 17:58
  build
• 17:59
  authentic
• 17:59
  community?
• 18:01
  Yeah,
• 18:01
  I
• 18:01
  mean,
• 18:03
  I
• 18:03
  mean,
• 18:03
  the,
• 18:04
  the
• 18:05
  proverbial
• 18:05
  campfire,
• 18:06
  right?
• 18:06
  You
• 18:06
  know,
• 18:07
  like
• 18:07
  the,
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  fire
• 18:07
  that,
• 18:08
  you
• 18:08
  know,
• 18:08
  the
• 18:08
  first
• 18:08
  fire
• 18:08
  that
• 18:09
  was
• 18:09
  gathered
• 18:09
  around,
• 18:10
  like,
• 18:10
  we
• 18:10
  came
• 18:10
  together
• 18:11
  because
• 18:11
  we
• 18:11
  were
• 18:11
  community.
• 18:12
  So
• 18:12
  how
• 18:12
  do
• 18:12
  you
• 18:12
  create
• 18:12
  that,
• 18:13
  you
• 18:13
  know,
• 18:13
  in
• 18:13
  this
• 18:13
  digital
• 18:14
  world?
• 18:15
  And
• 18:16
  I
• 18:16
  think
• 18:16
  that
• 18:17
  part
• 18:17
  of
• 18:18
  that
• 18:18
  is,
• 18:18
  you
• 18:19
  know,
• 18:19
  is.
• 18:19
  Is
• 18:20
  really.
• 18:21
  There
• 18:22
  are
• 18:22
  so
• 18:22
  many
• 18:22
  people
• 18:23
  that
• 18:23
  I've
• 18:23
  met
• 18:23
  for
• 18:24
  the
• 18:24
  first
• 18:24
  time
• 18:24
  face
• 18:24
  to
• 18:25
  face
• 18:25
  that
• 18:25
  we
• 18:25
  were.
• 18:25
  Knew
• 18:26
  each
• 18:26
  other,
• 18:26
  you
• 18:26
  know,
• 18:26
  online
• 18:27
  before
• 18:27
  that.
• 18:28
  And
• 18:28
  it
• 18:28
  wasn't
• 18:29
  because
• 18:29
  they
• 18:29
  were
• 18:29
  just
• 18:30
  liking
• 18:30
  my
• 18:30
  posts,
• 18:31
  you
• 18:31
  know,
• 18:31
  or
• 18:31
  I
• 18:31
  was
• 18:31
  liking
• 18:32
  theirs.
• 18:32
  It's
• 18:33
  because
• 18:33
  we
• 18:33
  were
• 18:33
  DMing
• 18:34
  each
• 18:34
  other
• 18:34
  in
• 18:34
  the
• 18:34
  background.
• 18:35
  Right?
• 18:35
  Like,
• 18:35
  you
• 18:35
  know,
• 18:36
  thank
• 18:36
  you
• 18:36
  for
• 18:36
  this
• 18:36
  or
• 18:37
  like,
• 18:37
  tell
• 18:37
  me
• 18:37
  a
• 18:37
  little
• 18:37
  bit
• 18:37
  more
• 18:37
  about
• 18:38
  that.
• 18:39
  And,
• 18:40
  and
• 18:40
  so,
• 18:40
  you
• 18:40
  know,
• 18:41
  we
• 18:41
  almost
• 18:41
  knew
• 18:41
  each
• 18:41
  other
• 18:42
  before
• 18:42
  we
• 18:42
  did.
• 18:42
  Right.
• 18:42
  And
• 18:43
  so
• 18:43
  I
• 18:43
  think
• 18:43
  that
• 18:43
  idea
• 18:44
  of
• 18:44
  building
• 18:44
  community
• 18:45
  online,
• 18:46
  it's
• 18:46
  not
• 18:46
  just
• 18:46
  this
• 18:48
  stagnant
• 18:48
  screen,
• 18:49
  you
• 18:49
  know,
• 18:49
  I
• 18:49
  think
• 18:49
  that
• 18:50
  we
• 18:50
  have
• 18:50
  to
• 18:50
  think
• 18:50
  about
• 18:51
  how
• 18:51
  we're
• 18:51
  interacting
• 18:51
  with
• 18:52
  people.
• 18:52
  And
• 18:52
  again,
• 18:53
  that
• 18:53
  can
• 18:53
  be
• 18:53
  liking
• 18:54
  posts
• 18:54
  or
• 18:54
  whatever.
• 18:54
  But
• 18:55
  I
• 18:55
  think
• 18:55
  DMing
• 18:56
  people
• 18:56
  and
• 18:56
  getting
• 18:57
  to
• 18:57
  know
• 18:57
  them
• 18:57
  that
• 18:57
  way
• 18:58
  or
• 18:58
  responding
• 18:58
  to
• 18:59
  dms,
• 18:59
  right?
• 18:59
  Like,
• 19:00
  I
• 19:00
  think
• 19:00
  a
• 19:00
  lot
• 19:00
  of
• 19:00
  people
• 19:00
  send
• 19:01
  or
• 19:01
  receive
• 19:01
  DMS
• 19:02
  but
• 19:02
  don't
• 19:02
  respond
• 19:03
  to
• 19:03
  them
• 19:03
  either
• 19:04
  they
• 19:04
  think
• 19:04
  they
• 19:04
  don't
• 19:04
  have
• 19:04
  the
• 19:05
  time
• 19:06
  or
• 19:06
  they're
• 19:06
  like,
• 19:06
  well,
• 19:07
  this
• 19:07
  is
• 19:07
  kind
• 19:07
  of
• 19:07
  weird,
• 19:07
  you
• 19:08
  know,
• 19:08
  like,
• 19:08
  I
• 19:08
  don't
• 19:08
  even
• 19:08
  know
• 19:09
  this
• 19:09
  person.
• 19:09
  But
• 19:10
  like,
• 19:10
  to
• 19:10
  me,
• 19:10
  you
• 19:11
  know,
• 19:11
  anybody,
• 19:13
  you
• 19:13
  know,
• 19:13
  I
• 19:13
  think
• 19:13
  at
• 19:14
  BHA
• 19:14
  and
• 19:14
  even
• 19:15
  now
• 19:15
  that
• 19:15
  anybody
• 19:15
  that's
• 19:16
  like,
• 19:16
  curious
• 19:16
  about
• 19:17
  the
• 19:17
  conservation
• 19:19
  legacy
• 19:19
  that
• 19:19
  we
• 19:20
  all
• 19:20
  have
• 19:20
  and
• 19:20
  wants
• 19:21
  to
• 19:21
  kind
• 19:21
  of
• 19:21
  perpetuate
• 19:22
  that
• 19:22
  going
• 19:22
  forward,
• 19:23
  you
• 19:23
  know,
• 19:23
  I'm
• 19:23
  willing
• 19:24
  to
• 19:24
  talk
• 19:24
  to
• 19:24
  any
• 19:24
  of
• 19:24
  those
• 19:24
  people
• 19:24
  even
• 19:25
  if,
• 19:25
  you
• 19:25
  know,
• 19:25
  we
• 19:25
  don't
• 19:25
  share,
• 19:26
  you
• 19:26
  know,
• 19:27
  many
• 19:27
  other
• 19:27
  ethos
• 19:28
  or
• 19:28
  many
• 19:28
  other
• 19:28
  similar
• 19:29
  things,
• 19:29
  but
• 19:29
  if
• 19:30
  they
• 19:30
  care
• 19:30
  about
• 19:30
  that.
• 19:30
  So
• 19:31
  I
• 19:31
  think
• 19:31
  that's
• 19:31
  that
• 19:31
  interaction
• 19:32
  that
• 19:32
  way,
• 19:33
  you
• 19:34
  know,
• 19:34
  you
• 19:34
  get
• 19:34
  to
• 19:34
  see
• 19:34
  people.
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  mean,
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  know
• 19:35
  I've
• 19:36
  met
• 19:36
  people,
• 19:36
  they're
• 19:36
  like
• 19:37
  Man,
• 19:37
  I've
• 19:37
  seen
• 19:37
  your
• 19:37
  ugly,
• 19:38
  like,
• 19:38
  gap
• 19:38
  tooth
• 19:39
  face
• 19:39
  so
• 19:39
  much,
• 19:40
  and
• 19:40
  it's
• 19:40
  crazy
• 19:40
  to
• 19:40
  meet
• 19:40
  you
• 19:41
  in
• 19:41
  person.
• 19:42
  And
• 19:42
  so,
• 19:42
  you
• 19:42
  know,
• 19:42
  video,
• 19:43
  you
• 19:43
  know,
• 19:43
  makes
• 19:43
  people
• 19:43
  real
• 19:44
  too.
• 19:44
  Right?
• 19:44
  And
• 19:44
  I
• 19:45
  think,
• 19:45
  like,
• 19:45
  that
• 19:45
  idea
• 19:46
  of
• 19:46
  not
• 19:46
  being
• 19:47
  polished,
• 19:47
  you
• 19:48
  know,
• 19:48
  and
• 19:48
  just
• 19:48
  kind
• 19:48
  of
• 19:49
  showing
• 19:49
  how
• 19:49
  it
• 19:49
  really
• 19:50
  is,
• 19:50
  I
• 19:50
  think
• 19:50
  is
• 19:50
  another
• 19:51
  way
• 19:51
  to
• 19:51
  kind
• 19:51
  of
• 19:51
  be
• 19:51
  authentic
• 19:52
  online
• 19:53
  and
• 19:53
  so
• 19:53
  that
• 19:53
  people
• 19:53
  can
• 19:53
  identify
• 19:54
  with
• 19:54
  that.
• 19:54
  But,
• 19:54
  you
• 19:55
  know,
• 19:55
  I
• 19:55
  think
• 19:56
  it
• 19:56
  never
• 19:56
  takes
• 19:57
  the
• 19:57
  place
• 19:57
  of
• 19:57
  that
• 19:57
  face
• 19:58
  to
• 19:58
  face,
• 19:58
  ever.
• 19:59
  But
• 19:59
  I
• 19:59
  will
• 20:00
  say
• 20:00
  that
• 20:01
  there's
• 20:01
  ways
• 20:01
  to
• 20:01
  kind
• 20:01
  of,
• 20:02
  you
• 20:02
  know,
• 20:02
  like,
• 20:02
  get
• 20:02
  around
• 20:03
  that
• 20:03
  or,
• 20:03
  like,
• 20:03
  utilize
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  tools
• 20:04
  that
• 20:04
  we
• 20:04
  have.
• 20:05
  Yeah,
• 20:05
  it's
• 20:06
  interesting,
• 20:06
  right?
• 20:06
  Cause
• 20:06
  I've.
• 20:07
  I
• 20:07
  mean,
• 20:07
  I
• 20:07
  have
• 20:07
  a
• 20:07
  love
• 20:08
  hate
• 20:08
  relationship
• 20:08
  and
• 20:09
  would
• 20:09
  be
• 20:09
  much
• 20:10
  less
• 20:10
  involved
• 20:10
  in
• 20:10
  social
• 20:11
  media
• 20:11
  if
• 20:11
  it
• 20:11
  wasn't
• 20:11
  for
• 20:11
  the
• 20:12
  podcast
• 20:12
  stuff.
• 20:12
  But
• 20:12
  I've
• 20:13
  met
• 20:13
  great
• 20:13
  people.
• 20:13
  And,
• 20:14
  you
• 20:14
  know,
• 20:14
  to
• 20:14
  your
• 20:14
  point,
• 20:14
  like,
• 20:15
  if
• 20:15
  people
• 20:16
  DM
• 20:16
  you
• 20:16
  or,
• 20:16
  you
• 20:17
  know,
• 20:17
  if
• 20:17
  they
• 20:17
  tag
• 20:17
  you,
• 20:17
  they
• 20:18
  probably
• 20:18
  meant
• 20:18
  to
• 20:18
  tag
• 20:19
  you
• 20:19
  for
• 20:19
  a
• 20:19
  reason.
• 20:20
  Right?
• 20:21
  But
• 20:21
  I
• 20:21
  also
• 20:21
  think,
• 20:22
  you
• 20:22
  know,
• 20:22
  if
• 20:22
  you're
• 20:22
  just
• 20:22
  that
• 20:23
  person,
• 20:23
  but
• 20:23
  you
• 20:23
  now
• 20:23
  have
• 20:23
  this
• 20:24
  easy
• 20:24
  way
• 20:24
  to
• 20:25
  have
• 20:25
  people
• 20:25
  find
• 20:25
  you.
• 20:25
  I
• 20:26
  always
• 20:26
  tell
• 20:26
  people
• 20:26
  that,
• 20:27
  like,
• 20:27
  all
• 20:27
  these
• 20:27
  platforms
• 20:28
  for
• 20:28
  what
• 20:28
  I
• 20:28
  do
• 20:29
  in
• 20:29
  podcasting,
• 20:29
  they're
• 20:29
  like
• 20:30
  my
• 20:30
  imperial
• 20:30
  probe
• 20:30
  droids.
• 20:31
  Right?
• 20:32
  Like,
• 20:33
  right
• 20:34
  wherever
• 20:34
  you
• 20:34
  are.
• 20:35
  Like,
• 20:35
  if
• 20:35
  you're
• 20:35
  a
• 20:36
  Twitter
• 20:36
  dude,
• 20:36
  you
• 20:36
  can
• 20:36
  find
• 20:36
  me
• 20:37
  on
• 20:37
  Twitter.
• 20:37
  If
• 20:37
  you're
• 20:37
  on
• 20:37
  Facebook,
• 20:38
  like,
• 20:38
  wherever
• 20:38
  it
• 20:39
  is,
• 20:39
  I
• 20:39
  just
• 20:39
  want
• 20:39
  to
• 20:39
  make
• 20:39
  it
• 20:40
  easy
• 20:40
  for
• 20:40
  you
• 20:40
  to
• 20:40
  find
• 20:41
  me
• 20:41
  if
• 20:41
  you
• 20:41
  think
• 20:41
  what
• 20:41
  I'm
• 20:42
  doing
• 20:42
  is
• 20:42
  interesting
• 20:42
  or
• 20:42
  helpful.
• 20:44
  Totally,
• 20:44
  totally.
• 20:45
  And
• 20:45
  yeah,
• 20:45
  I
• 20:45
  mean,
• 20:45
  it's.
• 20:46
  I
• 20:47
  mean,
• 20:48
  we're
• 20:48
  living
• 20:49
  in
• 20:49
  an
• 20:49
  era
• 20:49
  where
• 20:49
  you
• 20:49
  can
• 20:50
  talk
• 20:50
  to
• 20:50
  everybody.
• 20:51
  Literally,
• 20:51
  like,
• 20:51
  you
• 20:51
  can
• 20:51
  talk
• 20:52
  to
• 20:52
  everybody.
• 20:52
  And
• 20:53
  so,
• 20:53
  you
• 20:53
  know,
• 20:53
  that
• 20:54
  sometimes
• 20:54
  is
• 20:55
  like,
• 20:55
  again,
• 20:55
  it
• 20:56
  maybe
• 20:56
  makes
• 20:56
  it
• 20:56
  so
• 20:56
  it's
• 20:57
  not
• 20:57
  as
• 20:57
  personable,
• 20:58
  but
• 20:58
  that's
• 20:58
  just
• 20:58
  up
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  the.
• 20:59
  That's
• 20:59
  up
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  the
• 20:59
  person
• 21:00
  that's
• 21:00
  creating,
• 21:00
  and
• 21:00
  that's
• 21:00
  up
• 21:01
  to
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  person
• 21:01
  that's,
• 21:01
  like,
• 21:01
  receiving.
• 21:02
  Right.
• 21:02
  And.
• 21:03
  And
• 21:03
  to
• 21:03
  me,
• 21:04
  as
• 21:04
  long
• 21:04
  as
• 21:05
  that
• 21:05
  stuff's
• 21:05
  authentic,
• 21:05
  man,
• 21:06
  it's
• 21:06
  a
• 21:06
  great
• 21:06
  way
• 21:06
  to
• 21:06
  communicate.
• 21:07
  And,
• 21:07
  you
• 21:08
  know,
• 21:08
  how
• 21:08
  lucky
• 21:08
  are
• 21:08
  we
• 21:09
  that
• 21:09
  we
• 21:09
  do
• 21:09
  get
• 21:09
  to
• 21:09
  spread
• 21:10
  this
• 21:10
  message
• 21:11
  in
• 21:11
  a
• 21:11
  very
• 21:11
  simple
• 21:12
  way
• 21:12
  to
• 21:12
  as
• 21:12
  many
• 21:12
  people
• 21:13
  as
• 21:13
  possible?
• 21:13
  Yeah,
• 21:14
  it's
• 21:14
  funny,
• 21:14
  I
• 21:14
  always
• 21:14
  tell
• 21:15
  people
• 21:15
  it's
• 21:15
  a
• 21:15
  tool.
• 21:15
  It's
• 21:16
  like
• 21:16
  a
• 21:16
  shovel.
• 21:16
  I
• 21:16
  can
• 21:16
  hit
• 21:16
  you
• 21:17
  on
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  head
• 21:17
  or
• 21:17
  dig
• 21:17
  a
• 21:17
  hole.
• 21:17
  It's
• 21:18
  up
• 21:18
  to
• 21:18
  me,
• 21:20
  dude,
• 21:20
  I
• 21:21
  can't.
• 21:21
  Wait
• 21:21
  to
• 21:22
  listen
• 21:22
  to
• 21:22
  this
• 21:22
  back
• 21:23
  and
• 21:23
  just
• 21:23
  write
• 21:23
  all
• 21:24
  these
• 21:24
  things
• 21:24
  down
• 21:24
  because
• 21:25
  they're
• 21:25
  money,
• 21:25
  dude.
• 21:25
  That's
• 21:26
  good.
• 21:26
  Well,
• 21:27
  I'm
• 21:27
  glad
• 21:27
  you
• 21:27
  like
• 21:27
  that
• 21:27
  and
• 21:28
  you
• 21:28
  touched
• 21:28
  on
• 21:29
  the
• 21:29
  importance
• 21:29
  of
• 21:29
  empowering
• 21:30
  people,
• 21:30
  particularly
• 21:31
  young
• 21:31
  People.
• 21:33
  But
• 21:33
  also
• 21:36
  that
• 21:37
  creates
• 21:37
  headaches,
• 21:38
  right?
• 21:38
  So
• 21:38
  I
• 21:38
  suspect
• 21:38
  probably
• 21:39
  at
• 21:39
  your
• 21:39
  time
• 21:39
  at
• 21:39
  bha,
• 21:40
  you
• 21:40
  got
• 21:40
  phone
• 21:40
  calls
• 21:41
  like,
• 21:41
  I
• 21:41
  can't
• 21:41
  believe
• 21:41
  Bob
• 21:42
  did
• 21:42
  this.
• 21:42
  You
• 21:42
  got
• 21:43
  a
• 21:43
  real
• 21:43
  Bob
• 21:43
  in.
• 21:44
  Bob's
• 21:44
  off
• 21:45
  the
• 21:45
  reservation.
• 21:46
  You
• 21:46
  know,
• 21:46
  how
• 21:46
  do
• 21:46
  you
• 21:47
  manage
• 21:47
  that
• 21:47
  where,
• 21:48
  you
• 21:49
  know.
• 21:49
  Because
• 21:49
  it's
• 21:49
  always
• 21:49
  tough,
• 21:50
  like,
• 21:50
  if
• 21:50
  you
• 21:50
  empower,
• 21:51
  particularly
• 21:51
  younger
• 21:52
  or.
• 21:52
  And
• 21:52
  I
• 21:53
  don't
• 21:53
  mean
• 21:53
  less
• 21:53
  experienced
• 21:54
  in
• 21:54
  a
• 21:54
  bad
• 21:54
  way,
• 21:54
  just
• 21:54
  factually,
• 21:55
  less
• 21:55
  experienced
• 21:55
  people,
• 21:57
  you
• 21:57
  know,
• 21:57
  they're
• 21:57
  going
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  eat
• 21:58
  some
• 21:58
  yellow
• 21:58
  snow,
• 21:59
  right?
• 21:59
  So
• 21:59
  you
• 22:00
  gotta,
• 22:00
  like,
• 22:00
  coach
• 22:00
  them
• 22:01
  without
• 22:01
  breaking
• 22:02
  them.
• 22:03
  Yeah.
• 22:03
  And
• 22:04
  I
• 22:04
  think,
• 22:04
  like,
• 22:05
  that
• 22:05
  word
• 22:05
  coaching
• 22:06
  is
• 22:06
  super
• 22:06
  important,
• 22:06
  right?
• 22:07
  And
• 22:07
  I
• 22:07
  think
• 22:07
  that,
• 22:08
  you
• 22:09
  know,
• 22:09
  at
• 22:09
  bha,
• 22:10
  we
• 22:10
  would
• 22:10
  put
• 22:10
  guardrails
• 22:11
  on
• 22:11
  kind
• 22:11
  of
• 22:12
  like,
• 22:12
  you
• 22:12
  know,
• 22:12
  where
• 22:13
  what
• 22:13
  folks
• 22:13
  could
• 22:14
  do
• 22:14
  and
• 22:14
  like,
• 22:14
  kind
• 22:14
  of
• 22:14
  within
• 22:15
  the
• 22:15
  realm
• 22:15
  of
• 22:15
  backcountry
• 22:16
  hunters
• 22:16
  and
• 22:16
  anglers.
• 22:18
  And
• 22:18
  sometimes
• 22:18
  their
• 22:19
  tactics
• 22:19
  or
• 22:20
  sometimes
• 22:20
  they
• 22:20
  go
• 22:20
  outside
• 22:20
  of
• 22:21
  that.
• 22:21
  But
• 22:22
  I
• 22:22
  loved
• 22:23
  it
• 22:23
  because,
• 22:23
  you
• 22:23
  know,
• 22:24
  I'd
• 22:24
  rather.
• 22:24
  I'd
• 22:25
  rather.
• 22:25
  I
• 22:25
  use
• 22:25
  this
• 22:26
  analogy
• 22:26
  a
• 22:26
  lot.
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  don't
• 22:27
  want
• 22:28
  to
• 22:28
  kick
• 22:28
  horses
• 22:28
  out
• 22:28
  of
• 22:28
  the
• 22:29
  barn.
• 22:29
  I
• 22:29
  want
• 22:29
  to
• 22:29
  try
• 22:29
  to,
• 22:30
  like,
• 22:30
  you
• 22:30
  know,
• 22:30
  like,
• 22:30
  rein
• 22:30
  them
• 22:31
  in
• 22:31
  a
• 22:31
  little
• 22:31
  bit,
• 22:31
  right?
• 22:31
  And
• 22:32
  like.
• 22:32
  And
• 22:32
  coach
• 22:32
  them.
• 22:32
  And
• 22:33
  I
• 22:33
  think
• 22:33
  that
• 22:33
  word
• 22:33
  coaching
• 22:34
  is
• 22:34
  super
• 22:34
  important.
• 22:34
  So
• 22:35
  when
• 22:35
  those
• 22:35
  mistakes
• 22:35
  would
• 22:36
  happen,
• 22:36
  you
• 22:37
  know,
• 22:37
  I
• 22:37
  had
• 22:37
  multiple
• 22:37
  times
• 22:38
  fishing
• 22:39
  game
• 22:39
  directors
• 22:39
  would
• 22:39
  come
• 22:39
  to
• 22:39
  me
• 22:40
  and
• 22:40
  be
• 22:40
  like,
• 22:40
  so
• 22:40
  and
• 22:40
  so
• 22:40
  said
• 22:41
  this
• 22:41
  to
• 22:41
  me.
• 22:41
  And
• 22:41
  I
• 22:42
  was
• 22:42
  like,
• 22:42
  okay.
• 22:43
  And
• 22:43
  for
• 22:43
  one,
• 22:44
  like,
• 22:44
  are
• 22:44
  they
• 22:44
  wrong?
• 22:44
  You
• 22:45
  might
• 22:45
  not
• 22:45
  have
• 22:45
  liked
• 22:45
  the
• 22:45
  way
• 22:45
  they
• 22:46
  said
• 22:46
  it,
• 22:46
  but,
• 22:46
  like,
• 22:46
  are
• 22:46
  they
• 22:47
  wrong?
• 22:47
  But
• 22:48
  then
• 22:48
  two,
• 22:48
  thank
• 22:48
  you
• 22:49
  for
• 22:49
  the
• 22:49
  feedback.
• 22:49
  And
• 22:49
  then
• 22:49
  you
• 22:50
  go
• 22:50
  talk
• 22:50
  to
• 22:50
  that
• 22:50
  person
• 22:50
  and
• 22:50
  be
• 22:50
  like,
• 22:51
  hey,
• 22:51
  the
• 22:51
  director's
• 22:52
  talking
• 22:52
  about
• 22:52
  you.
• 22:52
  So
• 22:52
  that's
• 22:52
  a
• 22:53
  good
• 22:53
  thing.
• 22:53
  Let's
• 22:54
  talk
• 22:54
  about,
• 22:54
  you
• 22:54
  know,
• 22:54
  maybe
• 22:55
  maybe
• 22:55
  a
• 22:55
  little
• 22:55
  bit
• 22:55
  different
• 22:56
  how
• 22:56
  you
• 22:56
  could
• 22:56
  have
• 22:56
  done
• 22:56
  that,
• 22:56
  so
• 22:57
  you
• 22:57
  could
• 22:57
  have
• 22:57
  be
• 22:57
  heard
• 22:58
  differently,
• 22:58
  right?
• 22:58
  And
• 22:58
  so
• 23:00
  again,
• 23:00
  like,
• 23:01
  that
• 23:01
  horse
• 23:01
  is
• 23:02
  running
• 23:02
  and
• 23:02
  it
• 23:02
  is
• 23:03
  kind
• 23:03
  of
• 23:03
  crazy,
• 23:03
  right?
• 23:04
  And
• 23:04
  it's
• 23:04
  going
• 23:04
  out
• 23:04
  there
• 23:04
  and
• 23:05
  it's
• 23:05
  chewing
• 23:06
  up
• 23:06
  ground.
• 23:07
  I'd
• 23:08
  rather
• 23:08
  have
• 23:08
  that
• 23:08
  than,
• 23:09
  like,
• 23:09
  hey,
• 23:09
  like,
• 23:10
  trying
• 23:10
  to
• 23:10
  coax
• 23:10
  them
• 23:10
  out
• 23:10
  of
• 23:11
  the
• 23:11
  barn,
• 23:11
  right?
• 23:11
  I
• 23:11
  say
• 23:11
  kick
• 23:11
  him
• 23:12
  out
• 23:12
  of
• 23:12
  the
• 23:12
  barn.
• 23:12
  Like,
• 23:12
  oh,
• 23:12
  here's
• 23:12
  like
• 23:12
  a,
• 23:13
  you
• 23:13
  know,
• 23:13
  little
• 23:13
  apple
• 23:13
  to
• 23:13
  try
• 23:14
  to
• 23:14
  get
• 23:14
  out
• 23:14
  of
• 23:14
  the
• 23:14
  barn.
• 23:15
  And
• 23:15
  so
• 23:15
  that
• 23:16
  coaching,
• 23:16
  I
• 23:16
  think,
• 23:17
  afterwards
• 23:17
  is
• 23:18
  such
• 23:18
  an
• 23:18
  empowering
• 23:19
  thing.
• 23:19
  But
• 23:19
  they
• 23:20
  gotta.
• 23:20
  They
• 23:20
  gotta
• 23:20
  want
• 23:20
  to,
• 23:21
  like,
• 23:21
  hear
• 23:21
  that
• 23:21
  coaching
• 23:22
  too,
• 23:22
  right?
• 23:22
  And
• 23:22
  I
• 23:23
  think
• 23:23
  that,
• 23:23
  that,
• 23:23
  you
• 23:24
  know,
• 23:24
  sometimes
• 23:24
  I
• 23:25
  will
• 23:25
  say
• 23:25
  there
• 23:25
  was
• 23:25
  some
• 23:26
  that
• 23:26
  didn't,
• 23:26
  and
• 23:26
  that
• 23:27
  was
• 23:27
  really
• 23:27
  hard
• 23:28
  to
• 23:28
  have
• 23:28
  those
• 23:29
  conversations.
• 23:29
  At
• 23:29
  some
• 23:30
  point,
• 23:30
  you
• 23:30
  know,
• 23:30
  we
• 23:30
  also
• 23:31
  had
• 23:31
  to.
• 23:32
  Had
• 23:32
  to
• 23:32
  cut
• 23:32
  bait.
• 23:32
  But,
• 23:33
  you
• 23:33
  know,
• 23:33
  the
• 23:33
  majority
• 23:34
  of
• 23:34
  people
• 23:35
  were
• 23:35
  in
• 23:36
  this
• 23:36
  for
• 23:36
  the
• 23:36
  right
• 23:36
  reasons
• 23:37
  and
• 23:37
  they
• 23:37
  would
• 23:37
  Listen
• 23:38
  to
• 23:38
  coaching,
• 23:38
  you
• 23:39
  know,
• 23:39
  not
• 23:39
  just
• 23:39
  for
• 23:39
  me.
• 23:40
  Like,
• 23:40
  I.
• 23:40
  I
• 23:40
  wasn't
• 23:40
  at
• 23:41
  the.
• 23:41
  At
• 23:41
  the
• 23:41
  top
• 23:41
  of
• 23:41
  that
• 23:42
  coaching,
• 23:42
  you
• 23:42
  know,
• 23:43
  all
• 23:43
  the
• 23:43
  time,
• 23:44
  but
• 23:44
  many
• 23:45
  others
• 23:45
  in
• 23:45
  bha.
• 23:45
  But
• 23:46
  if
• 23:46
  they
• 23:46
  were
• 23:46
  willing
• 23:46
  to
• 23:46
  listen,
• 23:47
  then
• 23:47
  you
• 23:47
  knew
• 23:47
  that
• 23:47
  they
• 23:48
  were
• 23:48
  going
• 23:48
  to
• 23:48
  be
• 23:48
  even
• 23:48
  a
• 23:49
  better,
• 23:49
  I
• 23:49
  would
• 23:50
  say,
• 23:50
  conservation
• 23:50
  leader
• 23:51
  because
• 23:52
  they
• 23:52
  wanted
• 23:52
  to
• 23:52
  improve
• 23:52
  themselves.
• 23:53
  You
• 23:53
  know,
• 23:53
  they
• 23:53
  weren't
• 23:54
  just
• 23:54
  out
• 23:54
  there
• 23:54
  trying
• 23:54
  to
• 23:54
  conquer
• 23:55
  the
• 23:55
  mountain.
• 23:55
  They
• 23:55
  want
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  do
• 23:55
  it
• 23:56
  in
• 23:56
  the
• 23:56
  right
• 23:56
  way.
• 23:56
  And.
• 23:57
  And
• 23:57
  so,
• 23:57
  you
• 23:58
  know,
• 23:58
  yeah,
• 23:58
  I.
• 23:59
  I
• 23:59
  think
• 24:00
  I
• 24:00
  would.
• 24:00
  Again,
• 24:00
  I'll
• 24:01
  say
• 24:01
  it
• 24:01
  one
• 24:01
  more
• 24:01
  time
• 24:01
  because
• 24:01
  I
• 24:02
  think
• 24:02
  it's
• 24:02
  so
• 24:02
  important,
• 24:02
  but
• 24:03
  I
• 24:03
  would
• 24:03
  rather
• 24:04
  have
• 24:04
  to
• 24:04
  coach
• 24:05
  those
• 24:05
  people,
• 24:05
  like,
• 24:06
  on
• 24:06
  how
• 24:07
  they
• 24:07
  did
• 24:07
  things
• 24:07
  differently
• 24:07
  versus
• 24:08
  just
• 24:08
  coach
• 24:08
  them
• 24:08
  in
• 24:08
  the
• 24:09
  first
• 24:09
  place
• 24:09
  to
• 24:09
  do
• 24:09
  something,
• 24:10
  right?
• 24:10
  Like,
• 24:10
  they
• 24:10
  have
• 24:11
  to
• 24:11
  get
• 24:11
  out
• 24:11
  of
• 24:11
  that
• 24:11
  barn,
• 24:13
  and
• 24:13
  they
• 24:13
  have
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  be
• 24:13
  willing
• 24:14
  to
• 24:14
  do
• 24:14
  that.
• 24:14
  And
• 24:14
  if
• 24:14
  they
• 24:14
  do
• 24:14
  that,
• 24:15
  then,
• 24:15
  you
• 24:15
  know,
• 24:15
  I
• 24:15
  think
• 24:15
  there's
• 24:16
  definitely
• 24:16
  opportunity
• 24:16
  to
• 24:16
  help
• 24:17
  steer
• 24:17
  them.
• 24:18
  Yeah,
• 24:18
  it's
• 24:18
  interesting,
• 24:18
  too,
• 24:19
  right?
• 24:19
  Because,
• 24:20
  you
• 24:20
  know,
• 24:21
  people
• 24:22
  also
• 24:22
  have
• 24:22
  to
• 24:22
  be
• 24:23
  willing
• 24:23
  to
• 24:23
  take
• 24:23
  that
• 24:23
  kind
• 24:23
  of
• 24:24
  feedback,
• 24:24
  right?
• 24:24
  So,
• 24:25
  like,
• 24:25
  you
• 24:26
  know,
• 24:26
  it's
• 24:26
  kind
• 24:26
  of
• 24:26
  interesting
• 24:26
  because
• 24:26
  people
• 24:27
  will
• 24:27
  ask
• 24:27
  you
• 24:27
  what
• 24:27
  you
• 24:28
  think.
• 24:28
  And,
• 24:28
  I
• 24:28
  mean,
• 24:29
  I'm
• 24:29
  a
• 24:29
  little
• 24:29
  bit
• 24:29
  older
• 24:29
  than
• 24:29
  you,
• 24:30
  but
• 24:30
  we've
• 24:30
  got
• 24:30
  some
• 24:30
  miles
• 24:30
  on
• 24:31
  the
• 24:31
  tires.
• 24:31
  And,
• 24:31
  you
• 24:32
  know,
• 24:32
  at
• 24:32
  this
• 24:32
  point
• 24:32
  in
• 24:33
  my
• 24:33
  life,
• 24:33
  I
• 24:33
  was
• 24:33
  like,
• 24:33
  well,
• 24:33
  do
• 24:33
  you
• 24:34
  want
• 24:34
  me
• 24:34
  to
• 24:34
  affirm
• 24:34
  you
• 24:34
  or
• 24:34
  do
• 24:35
  you
• 24:35
  want
• 24:35
  me
• 24:35
  to
• 24:35
  help
• 24:35
  you
• 24:35
  get
• 24:35
  better?
• 24:37
  Which
• 24:38
  is.
• 24:38
  Which
• 24:38
  is
• 24:38
  good.
• 24:39
  And
• 24:39
  I,
• 24:39
  you
• 24:39
  know,
• 24:39
  I
• 24:40
  always
• 24:40
  say
• 24:41
  that,
• 24:41
  you
• 24:41
  know,
• 24:41
  feedback
• 24:42
  is
• 24:42
  tough,
• 24:42
  and
• 24:42
  I'm
• 24:43
  not
• 24:43
  always
• 24:43
  taking
• 24:43
  it
• 24:43
  the
• 24:43
  best
• 24:44
  way
• 24:44
  either,
• 24:44
  you
• 24:44
  know,
• 24:45
  And
• 24:45
  I
• 24:45
  think
• 24:45
  as
• 24:45
  I
• 24:45
  get
• 24:46
  older,
• 24:46
  like,
• 24:46
  I'm.
• 24:46
  I'm
• 24:47
  starting
• 24:47
  to
• 24:47
  realize
• 24:48
  that,
• 24:48
  you
• 24:48
  know,
• 24:49
  there's
• 24:50
  more
• 24:50
  that
• 24:50
  I
• 24:50
  don't
• 24:50
  know
• 24:50
  than
• 24:51
  I
• 24:51
  do
• 24:51
  know.
• 24:51
  And
• 24:51
  then
• 24:52
  I
• 24:52
  also
• 24:52
  want
• 24:52
  to
• 24:52
  get
• 24:53
  better
• 24:53
  at
• 24:53
  what
• 24:53
  I
• 24:53
  do.
• 24:54
  And.
• 24:54
  And
• 24:55
  so.
• 24:55
  But,
• 24:55
  yeah,
• 24:55
  I
• 24:55
  mean,
• 24:56
  throughout
• 24:56
  my
• 24:56
  career,
• 24:56
  I'm
• 24:57
  sure
• 24:57
  that
• 24:57
  I
• 24:57
  got
• 24:57
  some
• 24:58
  feedback.
• 24:58
  And
• 24:58
  I
• 24:58
  was
• 24:58
  like,
• 24:59
  go
• 24:59
  pound
• 24:59
  sand,
• 24:59
  man.
• 25:00
  And
• 25:00
  now
• 25:01
  when
• 25:01
  I
• 25:01
  look
• 25:01
  back
• 25:01
  at
• 25:01
  that,
• 25:01
  I
• 25:01
  was
• 25:02
  like,
• 25:02
  yeah,
• 25:02
  probably
• 25:02
  could
• 25:03
  have
• 25:03
  learned
• 25:03
  a
• 25:03
  little
• 25:03
  bit.
• 25:03
  And
• 25:03
  I
• 25:04
  did,
• 25:05
  but
• 25:05
  maybe
• 25:05
  not
• 25:05
  right
• 25:05
  in
• 25:06
  that
• 25:06
  moment,
• 25:06
  you
• 25:06
  know?
• 25:07
  Yeah,
• 25:07
  it's
• 25:07
  like.
• 25:07
  It's
• 25:07
  like
• 25:08
  I
• 25:08
  tell
• 25:08
  my
• 25:08
  boys,
• 25:08
  like,
• 25:08
  when
• 25:09
  your
• 25:09
  football
• 25:09
  coach
• 25:09
  stops
• 25:09
  yelling
• 25:10
  at
• 25:10
  you,
• 25:10
  you're
• 25:10
  done.
• 25:11
  Right?
• 25:13
  Well,
• 25:13
  I
• 25:13
  mean,
• 25:13
  my
• 25:14
  mom.
• 25:14
  My
• 25:14
  mom
• 25:14
  has,
• 25:15
  like,
• 25:15
  you
• 25:15
  know,
• 25:15
  she's
• 25:16
  told
• 25:16
  me,
• 25:16
  because
• 25:16
  I
• 25:16
  get
• 25:17
  caught
• 25:17
  in
• 25:17
  the,
• 25:17
  you
• 25:17
  know,
• 25:17
  crosshairs
• 25:18
  quite
• 25:18
  a
• 25:18
  bit,
• 25:19
  and
• 25:19
  she's
• 25:19
  like,
• 25:20
  if
• 25:20
  somebody's
• 25:21
  not
• 25:21
  mad
• 25:21
  at
• 25:21
  you,
• 25:21
  it
• 25:22
  probably
• 25:22
  means
• 25:22
  you're
• 25:22
  not
• 25:22
  doing
• 25:23
  something
• 25:23
  right,
• 25:23
  you
• 25:23
  know,
• 25:23
  and
• 25:24
  you
• 25:24
  got
• 25:24
  to
• 25:24
  kind
• 25:24
  of
• 25:24
  be
• 25:24
  in
• 25:25
  that
• 25:25
  arena.
• 25:25
  And
• 25:25
  that
• 25:25
  means,
• 25:26
  you
• 25:26
  know,
• 25:26
  for
• 25:26
  me,
• 25:27
  I
• 25:27
  Call
• 25:27
  it
• 25:27
  the
• 25:28
  radical
• 25:28
  middle
• 25:28
  or
• 25:28
  the
• 25:29
  movable
• 25:29
  middle,
• 25:29
  maybe
• 25:30
  where
• 25:30
  I'm
• 25:30
  talking
• 25:30
  about
• 25:30
  it
• 25:30
  more.
• 25:31
  But
• 25:31
  you
• 25:31
  have
• 25:32
  somebody
• 25:32
  on
• 25:32
  the
• 25:32
  far
• 25:32
  left
• 25:32
  or
• 25:33
  the
• 25:33
  far
• 25:33
  right,
• 25:33
  and
• 25:33
  if
• 25:33
  they're
• 25:34
  mad
• 25:34
  at
• 25:34
  you,
• 25:34
  you're
• 25:34
  probably
• 25:35
  right
• 25:35
  where
• 25:35
  you
• 25:35
  need
• 25:35
  to
• 25:35
  be.
• 25:36
  Yeah.
• 25:37
  Which
• 25:37
  is
• 25:37
  kind
• 25:37
  of
• 25:37
  funny
• 25:37
  because
• 25:38
  another
• 25:38
  important
• 25:38
  thing
• 25:39
  that
• 25:39
  helped
• 25:39
  you
• 25:39
  at
• 25:39
  bha,
• 25:40
  and
• 25:40
  I
• 25:41
  think,
• 25:41
  you
• 25:41
  know,
• 25:41
  people
• 25:41
  don't
• 25:41
  understand
• 25:41
  this.
• 25:42
  I
• 25:42
  mean,
• 25:42
  you
• 25:42
  went
• 25:42
  from
• 25:42
  like
• 25:42
  a
• 25:43
  thousand.
• 25:43
  You
• 25:43
  corrected
• 25:43
  me.
• 25:43
  It
• 25:44
  wasn't
• 25:44
  50,
• 25:44
  it
• 25:44
  was
• 25:44
  40,000
• 25:45
  people.
• 25:46
  Still
• 25:46
  an
• 25:46
  amazing
• 25:47
  accomplishment.
• 25:47
  But
• 25:48
  you
• 25:48
  were
• 25:48
  also
• 25:48
  very
• 25:49
  judicious
• 25:49
  about
• 25:50
  when
• 25:50
  to
• 25:50
  lean
• 25:50
  in.
• 25:51
  Right.
• 25:52
  And
• 25:52
  so.
• 25:52
  Because
• 25:52
  you
• 25:53
  can't
• 25:53
  fire
• 25:53
  all
• 25:53
  your
• 25:54
  bullets.
• 25:54
  Right.
• 25:54
  Because
• 25:55
  then
• 25:55
  you're
• 25:55
  kind
• 25:55
  of
• 25:55
  screwed
• 25:56
  later
• 25:56
  on.
• 25:56
  But,
• 25:57
  you
• 25:57
  know,
• 25:57
  how
• 25:57
  did
• 25:57
  you
• 25:57
  make
• 25:58
  that
• 25:58
  decision
• 25:58
  about
• 25:58
  when
• 25:59
  was
• 25:59
  the
• 25:59
  time
• 26:00
  to
• 26:00
  lean
• 26:00
  in?
• 26:01
  And
• 26:01
  I
• 26:01
  think
• 26:01
  that's
• 26:01
  something
• 26:02
  that
• 26:02
  I
• 26:02
  see
• 26:03
  a
• 26:03
  lot
• 26:03
  of
• 26:03
  organizations
• 26:04
  in
• 26:04
  this,
• 26:04
  our
• 26:05
  space
• 26:05
  playing
• 26:06
  it
• 26:06
  safe.
• 26:06
  So,
• 26:07
  like,
• 26:07
  one
• 26:07
  is
• 26:07
  like,
• 26:07
  how
• 26:08
  did
• 26:08
  you
• 26:08
  make
• 26:08
  that
• 26:08
  lean
• 26:08
  in
• 26:08
  decision?
• 26:09
  But
• 26:09
  then
• 26:09
  also
• 26:09
  to,
• 26:10
  you
• 26:10
  know,
• 26:10
  what
• 26:10
  can
• 26:10
  other
• 26:11
  folks
• 26:11
  learn
• 26:11
  from
• 26:11
  me
• 26:11
  to
• 26:11
  be
• 26:12
  more
• 26:12
  effective
• 26:12
  in
• 26:12
  their
• 26:12
  mission?
• 26:14
  Marvin,
• 26:15
  it's
• 26:15
  a
• 26:15
  great
• 26:15
  question.
• 26:16
  This
• 26:16
  is
• 26:16
  probably
• 26:16
  the
• 26:16
  hardest
• 26:17
  one
• 26:17
  I
• 26:17
  have
• 26:17
  answering.
• 26:18
  And
• 26:18
  I
• 26:18
  think
• 26:18
  that
• 26:18
  part
• 26:19
  of
• 26:19
  that
• 26:19
  is
• 26:19
  just
• 26:19
  intuition,
• 26:20
  really.
• 26:21
  But
• 26:21
  I
• 26:21
  also
• 26:22
  would
• 26:22
  say,
• 26:22
  like,
• 26:22
  I
• 26:23
  mean,
• 26:23
  the
• 26:23
  sale
• 26:23
  of
• 26:23
  public
• 26:23
  lands,
• 26:24
  that's
• 26:25
  a
• 26:25
  hell
• 26:25
  no.
• 26:25
  Right?
• 26:26
  Like,
• 26:26
  that's
• 26:26
  a
• 26:26
  hell
• 26:26
  no.
• 26:27
  And
• 26:27
  like,
• 26:27
  that
• 26:27
  happened
• 26:28
  with
• 26:28
  Congressman
• 26:28
  Shaffetz
• 26:29
  back
• 26:30
  in
• 26:30
  2017,
• 26:31
  you
• 26:31
  know,
• 26:32
  right
• 26:32
  when
• 26:32
  BHA
• 26:32
  was
• 26:33
  really
• 26:33
  ramping
• 26:34
  up.
• 26:34
  And
• 26:35
  that
• 26:35
  was
• 26:35
  when
• 26:35
  it
• 26:36
  was
• 26:36
  like,
• 26:37
  one.
• 26:37
  Is
• 26:37
  that
• 26:37
  going
• 26:38
  to
• 26:38
  be
• 26:38
  super
• 26:38
  bad
• 26:40
  for,
• 26:40
  you
• 26:41
  know,
• 26:41
  our,
• 26:41
  our
• 26:42
  conservation
• 26:43
  legacy,
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  640
• 26:44
  million
• 26:44
  acres
• 26:45
  that
• 26:45
  everybody
• 26:45
  that
• 26:45
  is
• 26:46
  listening
• 26:46
  to
• 26:46
  this
• 26:46
  owns?
• 26:48
  Like,
• 26:48
  we
• 26:48
  cannot,
• 26:49
  like,
• 26:49
  you
• 26:49
  know,
• 26:49
  chip
• 26:50
  that
• 26:50
  away
• 26:50
  at
• 26:50
  that
• 26:50
  and
• 26:51
  that
• 26:51
  3
• 26:51
  million
• 26:51
  acres.
• 26:52
  So
• 26:52
  that
• 26:52
  resonated.
• 26:53
  But
• 26:54
  I
• 26:54
  also
• 26:54
  knew
• 26:54
  that
• 26:55
  one
• 26:55
  was
• 26:55
  like,
• 26:55
  it
• 26:55
  didn't
• 26:56
  matter
• 26:56
  if
• 26:56
  you
• 26:56
  were
• 26:56
  Republican,
• 26:57
  you
• 26:57
  know,
• 26:57
  a
• 26:57
  Democrat,
• 26:58
  independent,
• 26:59
  didn't
• 26:59
  matter
• 26:59
  how
• 26:59
  much
• 26:59
  money
• 27:00
  you
• 27:00
  had.
• 27:01
  Like,
• 27:01
  those
• 27:01
  public
• 27:02
  lands,
• 27:02
  since
• 27:02
  they
• 27:02
  belong
• 27:02
  to
• 27:03
  all
• 27:03
  of
• 27:03
  us,
• 27:03
  like,
• 27:03
  the
• 27:03
  idea
• 27:04
  of
• 27:04
  selling
• 27:04
  them
• 27:05
  just
• 27:06
  resonated.
• 27:06
  So
• 27:06
  that's,
• 27:07
  that's,
• 27:07
  that's
• 27:07
  easier,
• 27:08
  I
• 27:08
  would
• 27:08
  say.
• 27:08
  I
• 27:08
  think
• 27:08
  that,
• 27:10
  you
• 27:10
  know,
• 27:11
  there
• 27:11
  was
• 27:11
  also,
• 27:12
  you
• 27:12
  know,
• 27:12
  lots
• 27:12
  of
• 27:12
  issues
• 27:13
  when
• 27:13
  it
• 27:14
  came
• 27:14
  to,
• 27:14
  like,
• 27:14
  state
• 27:14
  wildlife
• 27:15
  management
• 27:15
  that
• 27:15
  we
• 27:15
  didn't
• 27:15
  engage
• 27:16
  in.
• 27:17
  Because
• 27:17
  I
• 27:18
  watched
• 27:18
  organizations,
• 27:19
  you
• 27:19
  know,
• 27:20
  throughout
• 27:21
  my
• 27:22
  career,
• 27:22
  25
• 27:23
  years,
• 27:23
  I
• 27:23
  worked
• 27:23
  for
• 27:23
  National
• 27:23
  Wildlife
• 27:24
  Federation
• 27:24
  for
• 27:24
  a
• 27:24
  long
• 27:25
  time.
• 27:25
  And
• 27:25
  these
• 27:25
  state
• 27:26
  federations
• 27:26
  who
• 27:27
  are,
• 27:27
  do
• 27:27
  amazing
• 27:28
  work,
• 27:29
  but
• 27:29
  they
• 27:29
  would
• 27:29
  get
• 27:30
  concentrated
• 27:30
  on
• 27:30
  like,
• 27:31
  like
• 27:31
  season
• 27:31
  setting,
• 27:32
  let's
• 27:32
  say,
• 27:32
  right.
• 27:32
  You
• 27:33
  know,
• 27:33
  or,
• 27:33
  you
• 27:33
  know,
• 27:33
  when
• 27:33
  the
• 27:34
  season
• 27:34
  opens
• 27:34
  or
• 27:34
  how
• 27:35
  many
• 27:35
  you
• 27:35
  can
• 27:35
  take.
• 27:35
  And
• 27:35
  I'm
• 27:35
  talking
• 27:36
  both
• 27:36
  on
• 27:36
  fishing
• 27:37
  side
• 27:37
  and
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  and
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  hunting
• 27:38
  side,
• 27:39
  and
• 27:39
  that's
• 27:40
  all
• 27:40
  they
• 27:40
  would
• 27:40
  do.
• 27:40
  While
• 27:41
  these
• 27:41
  other
• 27:41
  issues,
• 27:41
  let's
• 27:42
  say
• 27:42
  like,
• 27:42
  clean
• 27:42
  water,
• 27:43
  which
• 27:43
  is,
• 27:43
  you
• 27:43
  know,
• 27:44
  like
• 27:44
  when
• 27:44
  the,
• 27:44
  when
• 27:44
  the
• 27:44
  Clean
• 27:45
  Water
• 27:45
  act
• 27:45
  is
• 27:45
  attacked,
• 27:46
  that's
• 27:46
  one
• 27:46
  that's
• 27:46
  going
• 27:46
  to
• 27:46
  affect
• 27:47
  so
• 27:47
  many
• 27:48
  people.
• 27:49
  So
• 27:49
  now
• 27:49
  they're
• 27:49
  not
• 27:49
  working
• 27:50
  on
• 27:50
  the
• 27:50
  Clean
• 27:50
  Water
• 27:50
  act
• 27:51
  because
• 27:51
  they're
• 27:51
  focused
• 27:51
  on
• 27:52
  these
• 27:52
  other
• 27:52
  issues.
• 27:52
  And
• 27:52
  I'm
• 27:52
  not
• 27:53
  saying
• 27:53
  that
• 27:53
  those
• 27:53
  issues
• 27:53
  shouldn't
• 27:54
  be
• 27:54
  addressed.
• 27:54
  I
• 27:55
  just
• 27:55
  think
• 27:55
  that
• 27:55
  you
• 27:56
  like,
• 27:56
  to
• 27:57
  your
• 27:57
  point
• 27:58
  that
• 27:58
  these
• 27:58
  larger
• 27:59
  issues
• 27:59
  that
• 27:59
  have,
• 28:00
  like
• 28:00
  the
• 28:00
  sale
• 28:00
  of
• 28:01
  public
• 28:01
  lands.
• 28:01
  I
• 28:01
  just
• 28:02
  talked
• 28:02
  about
• 28:02
  the
• 28:02
  Clean
• 28:02
  Water
• 28:03
  act.
• 28:04
  Like,
• 28:05
  those
• 28:05
  issues
• 28:05
  are
• 28:06
  bedrock
• 28:06
  issues
• 28:07
  for
• 28:07
  our
• 28:07
  legacy
• 28:08
  and
• 28:08
  we
• 28:08
  have
• 28:09
  to
• 28:09
  stand
• 28:09
  up
• 28:09
  for
• 28:09
  those
• 28:10
  every
• 28:10
  single
• 28:10
  time.
• 28:11
  And
• 28:11
  if
• 28:11
  we
• 28:11
  do
• 28:11
  not,
• 28:12
  it
• 28:12
  doesn't
• 28:13
  matter
• 28:13
  about
• 28:13
  this
• 28:13
  other
• 28:13
  stuff
• 28:13
  down
• 28:14
  the
• 28:14
  road.
• 28:14
  Yeah.
• 28:15
  It's
• 28:15
  like
• 28:15
  picking
• 28:15
  the
• 28:15
  hill
• 28:16
  you're
• 28:16
  gonna
• 28:16
  die
• 28:16
  on.
• 28:16
  Right?
• 28:17
  Totally.
• 28:17
  And
• 28:18
  it's,
• 28:18
  there's
• 28:19
  some
• 28:19
  art
• 28:19
  to
• 28:19
  that.
• 28:19
  Right.
• 28:20
  And
• 28:20
  I,
• 28:20
  and
• 28:20
  I,
• 28:20
  again,
• 28:20
  like,
• 28:21
  that's
• 28:21
  why
• 28:21
  I
• 28:21
  think
• 28:21
  it's
• 28:21
  hard
• 28:21
  for
• 28:22
  me
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  tell
• 28:22
  you
• 28:22
  that.
• 28:23
  But
• 28:23
  I
• 28:23
  would
• 28:23
  say,
• 28:24
  like,
• 28:24
  again,
• 28:24
  like,
• 28:25
  these
• 28:25
  issues
• 28:25
  that
• 28:25
  are
• 28:26
  large
• 28:26
  enough
• 28:28
  that
• 28:28
  affect,
• 28:28
  you
• 28:28
  know,
• 28:28
  so
• 28:29
  many
• 28:29
  people,
• 28:29
  like,
• 28:29
  it's
• 28:30
  almost
• 28:30
  like
• 28:30
  you
• 28:30
  cannot
• 28:31
  get
• 28:31
  involved
• 28:31
  in
• 28:31
  those,
• 28:32
  you
• 28:32
  know?
• 28:33
  Yeah.
• 28:33
  It's
• 28:33
  interesting.
• 28:33
  I
• 28:34
  mean,
• 28:34
  it's
• 28:34
  a
• 28:34
  really
• 28:34
  challenging
• 28:35
  thing,
• 28:35
  right.
• 28:35
  About
• 28:35
  when
• 28:36
  you're
• 28:36
  trying
• 28:36
  to,
• 28:36
  like,
• 28:36
  you
• 28:36
  know,
• 28:37
  you
• 28:37
  can't
• 28:37
  be
• 28:37
  transactional.
• 28:38
  You're
• 28:38
  trying
• 28:38
  to
• 28:38
  play
• 28:38
  a
• 28:38
  long
• 28:39
  game
• 28:39
  and
• 28:39
  you're
• 28:39
  trying
• 28:39
  to
• 28:39
  figure
• 28:40
  out
• 28:40
  like,
• 28:41
  you
• 28:41
  know,
• 28:41
  you're
• 28:41
  kind
• 28:41
  of
• 28:41
  like
• 28:42
  Barney
• 28:42
  Fife,
• 28:42
  Right.
• 28:42
  You
• 28:42
  only
• 28:43
  got
• 28:43
  so
• 28:43
  many
• 28:43
  bullets
• 28:44
  and
• 28:44
  you're
• 28:44
  trying
• 28:44
  to
• 28:44
  figure
• 28:45
  out
• 28:45
  when
• 28:45
  to
• 28:45
  pull
• 28:45
  the
• 28:45
  trigger,
• 28:46
  Right?
• 28:46
  Yeah.
• 28:47
  Yeah.
• 28:47
  But,
• 28:48
  you
• 28:48
  know,
• 28:48
  it's
• 28:48
  interesting,
• 28:48
  right,
• 28:49
  because
• 28:49
  if
• 28:49
  people
• 28:49
  thought
• 28:49
  you
• 28:50
  were
• 28:50
  aggressive
• 28:50
  at
• 28:50
  bha,
• 28:51
  I
• 28:51
  mean,
• 28:51
  I
• 28:51
  just
• 28:52
  re
• 28:52
  shared
• 28:52
  one
• 28:52
  of
• 28:52
  your
• 28:53
  Instagram
• 28:53
  reels
• 28:53
  last
• 28:54
  night.
• 28:54
  You
• 28:54
  are
• 28:54
  like,
• 28:55
  you're
• 28:55
  throwing
• 28:55
  some
• 28:56
  gasoline
• 28:56
  at
• 28:57
  American
• 28:57
  Hunters
• 28:57
  and
• 28:58
  Anglers
• 28:59
  Action
• 28:59
  Network.
• 29:00
  You
• 29:00
  want
• 29:00
  to
• 29:00
  tell
• 29:00
  us
• 29:00
  about,
• 29:01
  about
• 29:01
  your
• 29:02
  new
• 29:02
  venture?
• 29:03
  Sure.
• 29:04
  So,
• 29:05
  you
• 29:05
  know,
• 29:06
  I've
• 29:06
  been
• 29:06
  involved,
• 29:06
  like
• 29:07
  we've
• 29:07
  Talked
• 29:07
  about
• 29:07
  for
• 29:07
  25
• 29:08
  years
• 29:08
  in
• 29:08
  conservation,
• 29:09
  and
• 29:09
  the
• 29:09
  majority
• 29:10
  of
• 29:10
  that
• 29:10
  has
• 29:10
  been
• 29:10
  with,
• 29:11
  you
• 29:11
  know,
• 29:11
  organizations
• 29:12
  that
• 29:12
  are
• 29:13
  501
• 29:14
  C3s.
• 29:15
  They
• 29:15
  have
• 29:15
  membership
• 29:16
  bases.
• 29:16
  And
• 29:17
  it's
• 29:17
  been,
• 29:17
  you
• 29:18
  know,
• 29:18
  really
• 29:18
  the
• 29:18
  joy
• 29:19
  of,
• 29:19
  of
• 29:19
  my
• 29:19
  life
• 29:20
  is
• 29:20
  working
• 29:20
  with
• 29:20
  these
• 29:20
  organizations.
• 29:22
  But
• 29:22
  there's
• 29:22
  some,
• 29:23
  there's
• 29:23
  some
• 29:23
  restrictions
• 29:24
  there.
• 29:24
  And,
• 29:25
  you
• 29:25
  know,
• 29:25
  with
• 29:25
  the
• 29:25
  501C3,
• 29:26
  which
• 29:26
  is
• 29:26
  a
• 29:26
  designation
• 29:27
  by
• 29:27
  the
• 29:27
  IRS,
• 29:29
  you
• 29:29
  can
• 29:29
  only
• 29:30
  lobby
• 29:31
  20%
• 29:31
  of
• 29:31
  your
• 29:31
  overall
• 29:32
  budget.
• 29:32
  So
• 29:32
  let's
• 29:33
  say
• 29:33
  at
• 29:33
  BHA,
• 29:33
  when
• 29:34
  we
• 29:34
  had
• 29:34
  our
• 29:34
  largest
• 29:34
  budget,
• 29:35
  yes,
• 29:35
  we
• 29:35
  could
• 29:35
  start,
• 29:36
  we
• 29:36
  could
• 29:36
  do
• 29:36
  quite
• 29:36
  a
• 29:36
  bit
• 29:36
  of
• 29:37
  lobbying,
• 29:39
  but
• 29:39
  it's
• 29:39
  only
• 29:39
  20%.
• 29:40
  And
• 29:40
  so
• 29:40
  that's
• 29:40
  grassroots
• 29:41
  lobbying,
• 29:41
  and
• 29:41
  that's
• 29:41
  direct
• 29:42
  lobbying
• 29:42
  out
• 29:42
  in
• 29:42
  Washington,
• 29:43
  D.C.
• 29:43
  so
• 29:43
  grasses
• 29:43
  lobbying
• 29:44
  is
• 29:44
  what
• 29:44
  we've
• 29:44
  been
• 29:44
  talking
• 29:44
  about
• 29:45
  all
• 29:45
  day
• 29:45
  today.
• 29:45
  That's
• 29:46
  like,
• 29:46
  you
• 29:46
  know,
• 29:47
  letting
• 29:47
  people
• 29:47
  know
• 29:47
  what's
• 29:48
  happening
• 29:48
  and
• 29:48
  then
• 29:48
  asking
• 29:48
  them
• 29:49
  to
• 29:49
  get
• 29:49
  involved.
• 29:51
  So
• 29:51
  that
• 29:52
  is
• 29:52
  20%
• 29:52
  of
• 29:52
  your
• 29:52
  overall
• 29:53
  budget,
• 29:53
  and
• 29:53
  then
• 29:53
  you
• 29:53
  can't
• 29:54
  get
• 29:54
  involved
• 29:54
  in
• 29:54
  politics.
• 29:55
  And,
• 29:55
  you
• 29:56
  know,
• 29:56
  I've
• 29:56
  done
• 29:57
  a
• 29:57
  lot
• 29:57
  of
• 29:57
  political
• 29:57
  work
• 29:58
  on
• 29:58
  the
• 29:58
  side
• 29:59
  for
• 30:00
  John
• 30:00
  Tester
• 30:00
  in
• 30:01
  particular.
• 30:01
  He
• 30:01
  used
• 30:01
  to
• 30:01
  be
• 30:01
  a
• 30:01
  senator
• 30:02
  here
• 30:02
  in
• 30:02
  Montana.
• 30:02
  And
• 30:03
  trying
• 30:03
  to
• 30:03
  help
• 30:03
  him
• 30:04
  get
• 30:04
  elected
• 30:05
  and
• 30:05
  the
• 30:05
  inability
• 30:05
  to
• 30:06
  elect
• 30:06
  leaders
• 30:06
  that
• 30:07
  care
• 30:07
  about,
• 30:07
  you
• 30:07
  know,
• 30:08
  our
• 30:08
  issues,
• 30:08
  I
• 30:08
  think
• 30:08
  is
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  major
• 30:09
  disconnect
• 30:10
  in
• 30:10
  this
• 30:10
  country.
• 30:10
  Now,
• 30:11
  501C3s
• 30:12
  cannot
• 30:13
  do
• 30:13
  that
• 30:13
  at
• 30:13
  all.
• 30:14
  This
• 30:14
  new
• 30:15
  entity,
• 30:15
  American
• 30:15
  Hunters
• 30:16
  and
• 30:16
  anglers,
• 30:16
  it's
• 30:17
  a
• 30:17
  501C4.
• 30:18
  And
• 30:19
  so
• 30:19
  we
• 30:19
  can
• 30:19
  100
• 30:20
  of
• 30:20
  the
• 30:20
  time
• 30:20
  lobby
• 30:21
  if
• 30:21
  we
• 30:21
  want.
• 30:21
  And
• 30:21
  so
• 30:22
  that's
• 30:22
  why
• 30:22
  you
• 30:22
  see
• 30:22
  us
• 30:22
  up
• 30:23
  almost
• 30:23
  every
• 30:23
  single
• 30:23
  day
• 30:24
  on
• 30:24
  social
• 30:24
  media
• 30:24
  talking
• 30:25
  about,
• 30:25
  you
• 30:25
  know,
• 30:25
  an
• 30:25
  issue
• 30:26
  that's
• 30:26
  facing
• 30:26
  hunters
• 30:27
  and
• 30:27
  anglers.
• 30:28
  And
• 30:28
  then
• 30:28
  we
• 30:29
  can
• 30:29
  also
• 30:29
  get
• 30:29
  involved
• 30:29
  in
• 30:29
  politics.
• 30:30
  And
• 30:31
  so
• 30:31
  the
• 30:31
  idea,
• 30:32
  you
• 30:32
  know,
• 30:32
  especially
• 30:32
  in
• 30:33
  2026
• 30:36
  that's
• 30:37
  coming
• 30:37
  up,
• 30:37
  it's
• 30:37
  going
• 30:37
  to
• 30:38
  be
• 30:38
  an
• 30:38
  important
• 30:38
  election
• 30:38
  to
• 30:39
  kind
• 30:39
  of
• 30:39
  talk
• 30:39
  about
• 30:39
  our
• 30:40
  issues
• 30:40
  and
• 30:40
  have
• 30:41
  people
• 30:41
  from
• 30:41
  both
• 30:41
  the
• 30:41
  Republican
• 30:42
  side
• 30:42
  and
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  Democratic
• 30:43
  side
• 30:44
  really
• 30:44
  care
• 30:44
  about
• 30:45
  our
• 30:45
  issues.
• 30:45
  And
• 30:46
  so
• 30:46
  I
• 30:46
  think
• 30:46
  the
• 30:46
  way
• 30:46
  that
• 30:46
  you
• 30:47
  do
• 30:47
  that
• 30:47
  is
• 30:47
  that
• 30:48
  you
• 30:48
  get
• 30:48
  some
• 30:48
  of
• 30:49
  the
• 30:49
  bad
• 30:49
  actors
• 30:50
  unelected.
• 30:51
  Now,
• 30:51
  Mike
• 30:51
  Lee's
• 30:52
  not
• 30:52
  up
• 30:52
  till
• 30:52
  2028,
• 30:53
  but
• 30:53
  I'll
• 30:53
  tell
• 30:53
  you
• 30:53
  that
• 30:54
  there's
• 30:54
  definitely
• 30:54
  a
• 30:54
  target
• 30:55
  on
• 30:55
  him
• 30:55
  right
• 30:55
  now
• 30:56
  from
• 30:56
  the
• 30:56
  entire
• 30:57
  community,
• 30:57
  not
• 30:57
  just
• 30:57
  American
• 30:58
  hunters
• 30:58
  and
• 30:58
  anglers,
• 30:59
  but
• 30:59
  you
• 30:59
  help
• 30:59
  get
• 31:00
  people
• 31:00
  diselected.
• 31:00
  Then
• 31:01
  you
• 31:01
  also
• 31:01
  help
• 31:01
  get
• 31:01
  people
• 31:01
  elected,
• 31:02
  and
• 31:02
  that
• 31:02
  just
• 31:02
  helps
• 31:02
  us
• 31:04
  win.
• 31:04
  The
• 31:04
  501
• 31:05
  C3
• 31:05
  is
• 31:05
  like
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  Trident
• 31:06
  Luminance,
• 31:06
  the
• 31:07
  BHAs,
• 31:07
  the
• 31:07
  Rocky
• 31:08
  Mountain
• 31:08
  Elk
• 31:08
  Foundations,
• 31:09
  Ducks
• 31:09
  Unlimited,
• 31:10
  whoever.
• 31:10
  When
• 31:10
  they
• 31:10
  walk
• 31:11
  into
• 31:11
  that
• 31:11
  room,
• 31:12
  you
• 31:12
  know,
• 31:12
  people
• 31:13
  know
• 31:13
  that
• 31:13
  they
• 31:13
  have
• 31:14
  to
• 31:14
  pay
• 31:14
  attention
• 31:14
  because
• 31:14
  of
• 31:14
  elections.
• 31:15
  And
• 31:15
  so
• 31:16
  American
• 31:16
  hunters
• 31:17
  and
• 31:17
  anchors
• 31:17
  is
• 31:17
  new.
• 31:17
  I
• 31:18
  would
• 31:18
  say
• 31:18
  that
• 31:18
  the
• 31:18
  other
• 31:18
  thing
• 31:18
  that's
• 31:19
  new
• 31:19
  is
• 31:19
  we
• 31:19
  don't
• 31:19
  have
• 31:19
  a
• 31:20
  membership.
• 31:20
  We
• 31:20
  don't
• 31:21
  have
• 31:21
  a
• 31:21
  volunteer
• 31:21
  base.
• 31:23
  And
• 31:23
  so
• 31:23
  we're
• 31:23
  able
• 31:24
  to.
• 31:24
  We're
• 31:25
  not
• 31:25
  able
• 31:25
  to.
• 31:26
  We
• 31:26
  don't
• 31:26
  have
• 31:26
  to
• 31:26
  really
• 31:27
  worry
• 31:27
  about
• 31:27
  what
• 31:27
  we
• 31:27
  say,
• 31:28
  or
• 31:28
  we
• 31:28
  don't
• 31:28
  have
• 31:28
  corporate
• 31:28
  partners
• 31:29
  either.
• 31:29
  Right.
• 31:29
  And
• 31:29
  so
• 31:30
  sometimes
• 31:30
  people,
• 31:31
  you
• 31:31
  know,
• 31:31
  oh,
• 31:32
  I
• 31:32
  wish
• 31:32
  you
• 31:32
  wouldn't
• 31:32
  have
• 31:32
  said
• 31:32
  it
• 31:33
  like
• 31:33
  that,
• 31:33
  or
• 31:33
  why
• 31:33
  are
• 31:33
  you
• 31:33
  talking
• 31:34
  about
• 31:34
  that
• 31:34
  at
• 31:34
  all?
• 31:35
  Like,
• 31:35
  that's
• 31:36
  not
• 31:36
  happening
• 31:36
  now.
• 31:36
  And
• 31:37
  so
• 31:37
  we're
• 31:37
  very
• 31:37
  free.
• 31:37
  And
• 31:38
  so
• 31:38
  you're
• 31:38
  seeing
• 31:38
  that
• 31:38
  We're
• 31:38
  a
• 31:38
  little
• 31:38
  more
• 31:39
  aggressive.
• 31:39
  That's
• 31:39
  partly
• 31:39
  my
• 31:40
  nature
• 31:40
  in
• 31:40
  general,
• 31:41
  but
• 31:41
  it's
• 31:42
  also,
• 31:42
  you
• 31:42
  know,
• 31:43
  we're
• 31:43
  trying
• 31:43
  to
• 31:43
  get
• 31:43
  people's
• 31:44
  attention
• 31:44
  because
• 31:45
  in
• 31:45
  my
• 31:46
  25
• 31:46
  years
• 31:47
  of
• 31:47
  working
• 31:48
  in
• 31:48
  this
• 31:48
  space,
• 31:49
  I
• 31:49
  have
• 31:49
  never
• 31:50
  seen
• 31:50
  it
• 31:50
  this
• 31:50
  bad.
• 31:50
  And
• 31:51
  I
• 31:51
  described
• 31:51
  the
• 31:51
  other
• 31:51
  night
• 31:51
  I
• 31:52
  was
• 31:52
  talking
• 31:52
  about
• 31:52
  tried
• 31:52
  unlimited
• 31:53
  chapter
• 31:53
  that
• 31:53
  I
• 31:53
  haven't
• 31:53
  really
• 31:54
  thought
• 31:54
  about
• 31:54
  this
• 31:54
  way.
• 31:55
  But,
• 31:56
  you
• 31:56
  know,
• 31:56
  in
• 31:56
  the
• 31:56
  past,
• 31:57
  in
• 31:57
  my
• 31:57
  career,
• 31:57
  you'd
• 31:58
  have
• 31:58
  a
• 31:58
  thing
• 31:58
  going
• 31:58
  on,
• 31:58
  you
• 31:59
  know,
• 31:59
  one
• 31:59
  place,
• 32:00
  one
• 32:00
  over
• 32:00
  here
• 32:01
  and
• 32:01
  then
• 32:01
  another.
• 32:01
  But
• 32:02
  those
• 32:02
  were
• 32:02
  all
• 32:02
  at
• 32:02
  separate
• 32:03
  times,
• 32:03
  right?
• 32:03
  Like,
• 32:04
  you
• 32:04
  know,
• 32:04
  whether
• 32:04
  that
• 32:04
  was
• 32:04
  an
• 32:04
  attack
• 32:05
  on,
• 32:05
  like
• 32:06
  I
• 32:06
  said,
• 32:06
  the
• 32:06
  sale
• 32:06
  of
• 32:06
  public
• 32:07
  lands
• 32:07
  or
• 32:07
  attack
• 32:07
  on
• 32:08
  the
• 32:08
  clean
• 32:08
  water
• 32:08
  or
• 32:09
  other
• 32:09
  issues,
• 32:10
  but
• 32:10
  it's
• 32:10
  all
• 32:11
  happening
• 32:11
  at
• 32:11
  the
• 32:11
  same
• 32:12
  time
• 32:12
  right
• 32:12
  now.
• 32:12
  And
• 32:13
  so
• 32:13
  this
• 32:13
  pressure
• 32:14
  that's
• 32:14
  in
• 32:14
  front
• 32:14
  of
• 32:14
  us
• 32:15
  is
• 32:15
  this
• 32:16
  important
• 32:16
  moment.
• 32:17
  And
• 32:18
  I
• 32:18
  mean,
• 32:18
  get
• 32:19
  on
• 32:19
  my
• 32:19
  soapbox
• 32:19
  a
• 32:19
  little
• 32:19
  bit,
• 32:20
  but
• 32:20
  my
• 32:20
  mentor
• 32:20
  Jim
• 32:21
  Posewitz
• 32:22
  would
• 32:22
  just
• 32:22
  pound
• 32:23
  in
• 32:23
  my
• 32:23
  head
• 32:23
  that
• 32:23
  there
• 32:23
  was
• 32:24
  really
• 32:24
  no
• 32:24
  great
• 32:24
  leaders.
• 32:25
  There
• 32:25
  was
• 32:25
  just
• 32:25
  great
• 32:25
  occasions.
• 32:27
  And
• 32:27
  these
• 32:27
  great
• 32:28
  occasions,
• 32:28
  you
• 32:28
  know,
• 32:29
  came
• 32:29
  when,
• 32:29
  you
• 32:30
  know,
• 32:30
  something
• 32:30
  bad
• 32:31
  was
• 32:31
  happening
• 32:31
  in
• 32:31
  this
• 32:31
  country
• 32:32
  where
• 32:32
  that
• 32:32
  was
• 32:32
  the
• 32:32
  market
• 32:32
  killing,
• 32:33
  you
• 32:33
  know,
• 32:33
  that
• 32:33
  was.
• 32:33
  That
• 32:34
  was
• 32:34
  happening,
• 32:34
  you
• 32:34
  know,
• 32:35
  early
• 32:35
  1900s,
• 32:37
  the
• 32:37
  dirty
• 32:37
  30s,
• 32:38
  when
• 32:38
  the
• 32:38
  lids
• 32:38
  coming
• 32:38
  off
• 32:39
  the
• 32:39
  prairie,
• 32:39
  the
• 32:39
  dust
• 32:40
  bowl,
• 32:40
  you
• 32:40
  know,
• 32:41
  60s,
• 32:41
  when
• 32:42
  rivers
• 32:42
  are
• 32:42
  freaking
• 32:42
  on
• 32:42
  fire.
• 32:43
  Like,
• 32:43
  there
• 32:43
  was
• 32:43
  some.
• 32:44
  There's
• 32:44
  been
• 32:44
  some
• 32:44
  really
• 32:44
  rough
• 32:45
  times
• 32:45
  for
• 32:45
  conservation
• 32:46
  in
• 32:46
  this
• 32:46
  country.
• 32:47
  But
• 32:47
  every
• 32:48
  single
• 32:48
  time
• 32:48
  during
• 32:48
  these
• 32:49
  great
• 32:49
  occasions,
• 32:49
  like,
• 32:50
  leaders
• 32:50
  have
• 32:50
  stepped
• 32:50
  up.
• 32:51
  And
• 32:51
  sure,
• 32:51
  we
• 32:51
  know
• 32:51
  some
• 32:51
  of
• 32:52
  the
• 32:52
  names
• 32:52
  like
• 32:52
  the
• 32:52
  Theodore
• 32:53
  Roosevelts,
• 32:53
  the
• 32:53
  Aldo
• 32:54
  Leopolds,
• 32:55
  the
• 32:56
  Ding
• 32:56
  Darlings,
• 32:56
  the
• 32:56
  Rachel
• 32:57
  Carsons.
• 32:58
  There's
• 32:58
  also
• 32:59
  a
• 32:59
  lot
• 32:59
  of
• 32:59
  people
• 32:59
  we
• 32:59
  don't
• 32:59
  know
• 32:59
  the
• 33:00
  names
• 33:00
  of
• 33:00
  that
• 33:00
  stood
• 33:01
  up.
• 33:01
  And
• 33:01
  so
• 33:01
  right
• 33:01
  now
• 33:02
  is
• 33:02
  our
• 33:02
  great
• 33:03
  occasion.
• 33:03
  And,
• 33:03
  like,
• 33:04
  this
• 33:05
  is
• 33:05
  starving
• 33:05
  for
• 33:06
  leadership
• 33:06
  and
• 33:06
  that
• 33:07
  leadership,
• 33:07
  you
• 33:08
  know,
• 33:08
  I
• 33:08
  think
• 33:09
  there's
• 33:09
  a
• 33:09
  lot
• 33:09
  of
• 33:09
  people
• 33:10
  scared
• 33:10
  about,
• 33:10
  you
• 33:10
  know,
• 33:11
  retribution
• 33:11
  right
• 33:12
  now.
• 33:12
  And
• 33:12
  at
• 33:12
  American
• 33:13
  hunters
• 33:13
  and
• 33:13
  anglers,
• 33:14
  we're
• 33:14
  not
• 33:14
  scared
• 33:14
  of
• 33:14
  that
• 33:14
  at
• 33:14
  all.
• 33:15
  In
• 33:15
  fact,
• 33:15
  like,
• 33:15
  we
• 33:16
  kind
• 33:16
  of
• 33:16
  lean
• 33:16
  into
• 33:16
  it.
• 33:17
  And
• 33:17
  I'm,
• 33:18
  you
• 33:18
  know,
• 33:18
  I'm
• 33:18
  willing
• 33:19
  to
• 33:19
  be
• 33:19
  in
• 33:19
  the
• 33:19
  fight.
• 33:19
  And
• 33:19
  that's
• 33:20
  what
• 33:20
  American
• 33:20
  hunters
• 33:20
  and
• 33:20
  anglers
• 33:21
  is.
• 33:21
  And
• 33:21
  I
• 33:21
  will
• 33:21
  say
• 33:22
  one
• 33:22
  last
• 33:22
  thing,
• 33:22
  is
• 33:23
  that,
• 33:23
  you
• 33:24
  know,
• 33:24
  we're
• 33:24
  a
• 33:24
  small
• 33:24
  nibble
• 33:25
  little
• 33:25
  speedboat
• 33:26
  right
• 33:26
  now,
• 33:26
  you
• 33:26
  know,
• 33:26
  or,
• 33:26
  like,
• 33:27
  you
• 33:27
  know,
• 33:27
  if
• 33:27
  you
• 33:27
  think
• 33:27
  about
• 33:28
  a
• 33:28
  raft
• 33:28
  versus
• 33:29
  a.
• 33:29
  Or
• 33:29
  drift
• 33:29
  boat
• 33:30
  versus,
• 33:30
  like,
• 33:30
  a
• 33:30
  kayak,
• 33:32
  we
• 33:32
  don't
• 33:32
  have
• 33:32
  to
• 33:32
  worry
• 33:33
  about
• 33:33
  talking
• 33:34
  to
• 33:34
  a
• 33:34
  bunch
• 33:34
  of
• 33:34
  people
• 33:34
  to
• 33:34
  make
• 33:35
  decisions.
• 33:35
  We
• 33:35
  can
• 33:35
  make
• 33:35
  decisions
• 33:36
  within
• 33:36
  the
• 33:36
  small
• 33:36
  group
• 33:37
  of
• 33:37
  four
• 33:37
  that
• 33:37
  I'm
• 33:37
  working
• 33:38
  with
• 33:38
  and
• 33:38
  make
• 33:38
  them
• 33:39
  fast,
• 33:39
  which,
• 33:39
  you
• 33:40
  know,
• 33:40
  move
• 33:41
  at
• 33:41
  the
• 33:41
  speed
• 33:41
  of
• 33:41
  politics,
• 33:42
  because
• 33:42
  it's
• 33:42
  happening
• 33:43
  Every
• 33:43
  single
• 33:43
  day
• 33:44
  right
• 33:44
  now.
• 33:44
  It's
• 33:44
  not
• 33:44
  like
• 33:44
  you
• 33:45
  can,
• 33:45
  you
• 33:46
  know,
• 33:46
  plan
• 33:46
  for
• 33:46
  something
• 33:47
  over
• 33:47
  a
• 33:47
  month,
• 33:47
  because
• 33:48
  stuff's
• 33:48
  changed
• 33:48
  in
• 33:48
  a
• 33:49
  month
• 33:49
  right
• 33:49
  now.
• 33:49
  So
• 33:50
  that's.
• 33:50
  That's
• 33:51
  me
• 33:51
  hunting
• 33:51
  the
• 33:51
  soapbox
• 33:51
  a
• 33:51
  little
• 33:52
  bit.
• 33:52
  I
• 33:52
  would
• 33:52
  just
• 33:52
  say
• 33:52
  that
• 33:52
  it's
• 33:53
  like,
• 33:53
  in
• 33:53
  short,
• 33:54
  American
• 33:54
  Hunters
• 33:55
  and
• 33:55
  Anglers
• 33:55
  really
• 33:57
  is
• 33:58
  about
• 33:59
  telling
• 33:59
  the
• 34:00
  story
• 34:00
  about
• 34:00
  what's
• 34:00
  going
• 34:01
  on
• 34:01
  through
• 34:01
  social
• 34:02
  media
• 34:02
  in
• 34:02
  particular,
• 34:03
  and
• 34:03
  then
• 34:03
  giving
• 34:03
  people
• 34:04
  an
• 34:04
  opportunity
• 34:04
  to
• 34:05
  do
• 34:05
  something
• 34:06
  about
• 34:06
  it
• 34:06
  in
• 34:06
  a
• 34:06
  grassroots
• 34:07
  way.
• 34:07
  Yeah.
• 34:08
  It's
• 34:08
  interesting,
• 34:08
  too,
• 34:09
  because,
• 34:09
  you
• 34:09
  know,
• 34:10
  I
• 34:10
  think
• 34:11
  people
• 34:11
  also
• 34:11
  don't
• 34:12
  understand
• 34:12
  that
• 34:12
  one
• 34:12
  of
• 34:12
  the
• 34:13
  reasons
• 34:13
  some
• 34:13
  of
• 34:13
  the
• 34:13
  organizations
• 34:14
  that
• 34:14
  they
• 34:14
  would
• 34:15
  expect
• 34:15
  to
• 34:15
  be
• 34:15
  more
• 34:15
  vocal
• 34:16
  aren't
• 34:16
  is
• 34:17
  because
• 34:17
  they're
• 34:17
  beholden
• 34:18
  to
• 34:18
  people
• 34:18
  for
• 34:18
  their
• 34:19
  money.
• 34:19
  Right.
• 34:19
  Like,
• 34:20
  not
• 34:20
  just
• 34:20
  on
• 34:20
  the
• 34:21
  corporate
• 34:21
  side,
• 34:21
  but,
• 34:22
  I
• 34:22
  mean,
• 34:22
  you
• 34:22
  know,
• 34:23
  if
• 34:23
  you
• 34:23
  look
• 34:23
  at
• 34:23
  the
• 34:23
  big
• 34:23
  movers
• 34:24
  and
• 34:24
  shakers,
• 34:24
  I
• 34:24
  mean,
• 34:25
  you
• 34:25
  know,
• 34:25
  95%
• 34:26
  of
• 34:26
  their
• 34:26
  budget
• 34:26
  are
• 34:26
  state
• 34:27
  and
• 34:27
  federal
• 34:27
  grants,
• 34:28
  right?
• 34:28
  Totally.
• 34:29
  Totally.
• 34:29
  And,
• 34:31
  you
• 34:31
  know,
• 34:31
  I
• 34:31
  don't
• 34:31
  know.
• 34:32
  You
• 34:32
  know,
• 34:32
  I
• 34:32
  used
• 34:32
  to.
• 34:33
  When
• 34:33
  I
• 34:33
  was.
• 34:33
  Earlier
• 34:33
  in
• 34:34
  my
• 34:34
  career,
• 34:34
  I
• 34:34
  used
• 34:34
  to
• 34:34
  always
• 34:34
  talk
• 34:34
  about
• 34:35
  trying
• 34:35
  to
• 34:35
  accumulate
• 34:35
  FU
• 34:36
  money.
• 34:36
  Right.
• 34:36
  Cause
• 34:37
  then
• 34:37
  it
• 34:37
  sets
• 34:37
  you
• 34:37
  free.
• 34:40
  So,
• 34:40
  I
• 34:40
  mean,
• 34:41
  that's.
• 34:41
  That's
• 34:41
  a
• 34:41
  problem
• 34:41
  you
• 34:41
  guys
• 34:42
  don't
• 34:42
  have.
• 34:42
  And
• 34:42
  you've
• 34:42
  intentionally
• 34:43
  designed
• 34:43
  your
• 34:43
  mousetrap
• 34:44
  so
• 34:44
  that
• 34:44
  you
• 34:44
  don't
• 34:45
  have
• 34:45
  that
• 34:45
  problem.
• 34:46
  You
• 34:46
  don't.
• 34:46
  And
• 34:47
  I.
• 34:47
  And
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  don't
• 34:48
  like
• 34:48
  what
• 34:48
  I
• 34:48
  really
• 34:48
  want
• 34:49
  to
• 34:49
  say.
• 34:49
  And
• 34:49
  like,
• 34:49
  you
• 34:49
  know,
• 34:50
  at
• 34:50
  50
• 34:50
  years
• 34:50
  old,
• 34:51
  I.
• 34:51
  Again,
• 34:51
  I
• 34:51
  have
• 34:52
  so
• 34:52
  much
• 34:52
  more
• 34:52
  to
• 34:53
  learn,
• 34:53
  and
• 34:53
  I'm
• 34:53
  learning
• 34:53
  every
• 34:54
  single
• 34:54
  day.
• 34:55
  But
• 34:55
  one
• 34:55
  of
• 34:55
  the
• 34:55
  things
• 34:56
  that
• 34:56
  I
• 34:56
  have
• 34:56
  learned
• 34:57
  is
• 34:57
  that,
• 34:58
  you
• 34:58
  know,
• 34:58
  every
• 34:58
  organization
• 34:59
  plays
• 34:59
  their
• 34:59
  role.
• 35:00
  And
• 35:00
  sometimes
• 35:00
  I
• 35:00
  get
• 35:00
  frustrated,
• 35:01
  you
• 35:01
  know,
• 35:01
  that
• 35:01
  certain
• 35:02
  organizations
• 35:02
  aren't
• 35:03
  stepping
• 35:03
  up
• 35:03
  because
• 35:04
  these
• 35:04
  policies
• 35:05
  that
• 35:05
  are
• 35:05
  happening
• 35:05
  at
• 35:06
  a
• 35:06
  federal
• 35:06
  level,
• 35:07
  in
• 35:07
  particular
• 35:07
  from
• 35:07
  this
• 35:08
  administration
• 35:08
  or
• 35:09
  from
• 35:09
  this
• 35:09
  Congress,
• 35:10
  are
• 35:10
  affecting
• 35:11
  them
• 35:11
  and
• 35:11
  their
• 35:11
  mission
• 35:12
  directly.
• 35:14
  Like,
• 35:14
  maybe
• 35:14
  that's
• 35:15
  just
• 35:15
  not
• 35:15
  the
• 35:15
  role.
• 35:15
  Right.
• 35:16
  Like,
• 35:16
  you
• 35:16
  know,
• 35:16
  with
• 35:16
  American
• 35:16
  Hunters
• 35:17
  and
• 35:17
  Anglers,
• 35:17
  like,
• 35:18
  we're
• 35:18
  kind
• 35:18
  of
• 35:19
  creating
• 35:19
  that
• 35:19
  fire
• 35:20
  in
• 35:20
  that
• 35:20
  firestorm
• 35:22
  and
• 35:22
  so
• 35:22
  that
• 35:22
  these
• 35:23
  other
• 35:23
  organizations
• 35:23
  can
• 35:24
  walk
• 35:24
  into
• 35:24
  that
• 35:24
  room
• 35:24
  and
• 35:24
  then
• 35:25
  make
• 35:25
  the
• 35:25
  deals.
• 35:25
  Like,
• 35:25
  you
• 35:26
  know,
• 35:26
  we're
• 35:26
  not
• 35:26
  at
• 35:27
  American
• 35:27
  Hunters
• 35:27
  and
• 35:27
  Anglers.
• 35:28
  You
• 35:28
  know,
• 35:28
  we've.
• 35:28
  I've
• 35:29
  been
• 35:29
  out
• 35:29
  to
• 35:29
  D.C.
• 35:29
  a
• 35:30
  couple
• 35:30
  of
• 35:30
  times.
• 35:30
  I've
• 35:30
  been
• 35:30
  in
• 35:30
  some
• 35:31
  rooms
• 35:31
  and
• 35:31
  done
• 35:31
  some
• 35:31
  conversations.
• 35:33
  But
• 35:33
  the
• 35:33
  majority
• 35:34
  of
• 35:34
  what
• 35:34
  we're
• 35:34
  doing
• 35:34
  is
• 35:34
  creating
• 35:35
  that
• 35:35
  upswell
• 35:36
  from
• 35:36
  the
• 35:36
  grassroots
• 35:37
  so
• 35:37
  these
• 35:37
  other
• 35:38
  organizations
• 35:38
  can
• 35:38
  walk
• 35:38
  in
• 35:39
  the
• 35:39
  door
• 35:39
  and
• 35:39
  make
• 35:39
  the
• 35:39
  deals.
• 35:40
  Right.
• 35:40
  And
• 35:40
  I
• 35:40
  think
• 35:40
  those
• 35:41
  are
• 35:41
  different
• 35:41
  roles,
• 35:42
  and
• 35:42
  that
• 35:43
  is
• 35:43
  okay.
• 35:44
  Everybody
• 35:44
  has
• 35:44
  to
• 35:44
  be
• 35:44
  doing
• 35:45
  the
• 35:45
  same
• 35:45
  thing.
• 35:45
  Like,
• 35:45
  we're
• 35:46
  in
• 35:46
  a
• 35:46
  battle
• 35:46
  right
• 35:46
  now.
• 35:47
  And
• 35:47
  like,
• 35:47
  you
• 35:47
  Know,
• 35:47
  we're
• 35:47
  just
• 35:48
  kind
• 35:48
  of
• 35:48
  like
• 35:48
  the
• 35:48
  front
• 35:49
  SEAL
• 35:49
  team.
• 35:50
  It's
• 35:50
  shit
• 35:51
  up.
• 35:51
  Excuse
• 35:52
  my
• 35:52
  language.
• 35:52
  And
• 35:52
  so
• 35:52
  the
• 35:53
  others
• 35:53
  can
• 35:53
  kind
• 35:53
  of
• 35:53
  come
• 35:53
  in
• 35:53
  there
• 35:53
  and
• 35:54
  mop
• 35:54
  up
• 35:54
  the
• 35:54
  mess.
• 35:54
  Right.
• 35:55
  And
• 35:55
  I
• 35:55
  think
• 35:55
  that,
• 35:56
  you
• 35:56
  know,
• 35:57
  that's
• 35:57
  an
• 35:57
  important
• 35:57
  role
• 35:57
  to
• 35:58
  play,
• 35:58
  and
• 35:58
  not
• 35:58
  everybody
• 35:59
  can
• 35:59
  play
• 35:59
  the
• 35:59
  role
• 35:59
  that
• 35:59
  we're
• 35:59
  playing
• 36:00
  for
• 36:00
  the
• 36:00
  exact
• 36:00
  reasons
• 36:01
  you
• 36:01
  just
• 36:01
  described.
• 36:01
  Yeah,
• 36:02
  it's
• 36:02
  interesting.
• 36:02
  Makes
• 36:02
  me
• 36:03
  think
• 36:03
  about
• 36:03
  being
• 36:03
  the
• 36:03
  lead
• 36:03
  car
• 36:04
  in
• 36:04
  the
• 36:04
  NASCAR
• 36:04
  pack,
• 36:04
  and
• 36:05
  you've
• 36:05
  got
• 36:05
  everybody
• 36:05
  drafting
• 36:06
  behind
• 36:06
  you.
• 36:07
  It's.
• 36:07
  I
• 36:07
  mean,
• 36:07
  it's.
• 36:08
  And
• 36:08
  I
• 36:08
  don't
• 36:09
  want
• 36:09
  to.
• 36:09
  I
• 36:09
  literally
• 36:10
  don't
• 36:10
  want
• 36:10
  to,
• 36:10
  you
• 36:11
  know,
• 36:11
  grand
• 36:11
  decides
• 36:11
  what
• 36:11
  we're
• 36:11
  doing
• 36:12
  in
• 36:12
  American
• 36:12
  hunters
• 36:12
  and
• 36:12
  anglers
• 36:13
  too
• 36:13
  much
• 36:13
  either.
• 36:13
  Right.
• 36:13
  But
• 36:14
  I
• 36:14
  do
• 36:14
  think
• 36:14
  it's
• 36:14
  an
• 36:14
  important
• 36:14
  role
• 36:15
  right
• 36:15
  now
• 36:16
  because,
• 36:17
  you
• 36:17
  know,
• 36:17
  a
• 36:17
  lot
• 36:18
  of
• 36:18
  people
• 36:18
  aren't.
• 36:18
  Aren't
• 36:19
  willing
• 36:20
  to
• 36:20
  step
• 36:20
  up.
• 36:20
  And,
• 36:21
  you
• 36:21
  know,
• 36:22
  you
• 36:22
  said
• 36:22
  federal
• 36:22
  grants
• 36:23
  and
• 36:23
  corporate
• 36:24
  partners,
• 36:24
  but
• 36:24
  that's
• 36:24
  also
• 36:25
  membership.
• 36:25
  Right.
• 36:25
  Like,
• 36:26
  you
• 36:26
  know,
• 36:26
  membership
• 36:26
  is
• 36:26
  an
• 36:27
  important
• 36:27
  thing.
• 36:27
  And,
• 36:28
  you
• 36:28
  know,
• 36:28
  I
• 36:28
  talked
• 36:28
  about
• 36:29
  at
• 36:29
  bha,
• 36:29
  you
• 36:29
  got
• 36:30
  to
• 36:30
  stand
• 36:30
  for
• 36:30
  something,
• 36:30
  which
• 36:30
  I
• 36:31
  think
• 36:31
  is
• 36:31
  super
• 36:31
  important.
• 36:32
  And
• 36:32
  these
• 36:32
  other
• 36:32
  organizations
• 36:33
  do
• 36:33
  stand
• 36:33
  for
• 36:34
  something,
• 36:34
  but
• 36:35
  sometimes
• 36:35
  they're
• 36:35
  not
• 36:35
  outspoken
• 36:36
  because
• 36:36
  they're
• 36:36
  going
• 36:36
  to
• 36:36
  lose
• 36:37
  membership.
• 36:38
  Yeah,
• 36:38
  it's
• 36:38
  interesting.
• 36:39
  And
• 36:39
  so,
• 36:39
  you
• 36:39
  know,
• 36:39
  people
• 36:39
  kind
• 36:40
  of
• 36:40
  understand
• 36:40
  at
• 36:40
  a
• 36:41
  very
• 36:41
  high
• 36:41
  level,
• 36:41
  you
• 36:42
  know,
• 36:42
  even
• 36:42
  if
• 36:42
  they're
• 36:42
  slightly
• 36:43
  watching
• 36:43
  the
• 36:43
  news
• 36:43
  that
• 36:44
  we've
• 36:44
  got,
• 36:44
  you
• 36:44
  know,
• 36:44
  we've
• 36:45
  got
• 36:45
  a
• 36:45
  public
• 36:45
  land
• 36:45
  issue.
• 36:46
  And,
• 36:47
  you
• 36:47
  know,
• 36:47
  the.
• 36:47
  The
• 36:48
  reel
• 36:48
  that
• 36:48
  we
• 36:48
  were
• 36:48
  talking
• 36:49
  about
• 36:49
  before
• 36:49
  started
• 36:49
  recording
• 36:49
  that
• 36:50
  you
• 36:50
  put
• 36:50
  out
• 36:50
  last
• 36:50
  night
• 36:50
  was
• 36:50
  on
• 36:51
  the
• 36:51
  boundary
• 36:51
  waters.
• 36:51
  But,
• 36:52
  you
• 36:52
  know,
• 36:53
  I
• 36:53
  think
• 36:54
  probably
• 36:54
  at
• 36:55
  most
• 36:55
  people
• 36:55
  have
• 36:55
  kind
• 36:55
  of
• 36:56
  gotten
• 36:56
  desensitized
• 36:57
  to
• 36:57
  the
• 36:57
  news,
• 36:57
  so
• 36:57
  maybe
• 36:58
  they
• 36:58
  get
• 36:58
  an
• 36:58
  alert
• 36:58
  from
• 36:58
  TU
• 36:59
  or
• 36:59
  somebody
• 37:00
  else
• 37:00
  saying,
• 37:00
  like,
• 37:00
  hey,
• 37:01
  hit
• 37:01
  this
• 37:02
  thing.
• 37:02
  Reach
• 37:02
  out.
• 37:03
  But
• 37:03
  can
• 37:03
  you
• 37:03
  kind
• 37:03
  of
• 37:04
  maybe
• 37:04
  throw
• 37:04
  out
• 37:04
  maybe
• 37:05
  a
• 37:05
  handful
• 37:05
  of
• 37:05
  the
• 37:06
  most
• 37:06
  pressing
• 37:07
  instances
• 37:08
  and
• 37:08
  issues
• 37:08
  that
• 37:08
  you're
• 37:09
  seeing
• 37:09
  so
• 37:09
  people
• 37:09
  can
• 37:09
  be
• 37:10
  a
• 37:10
  little
• 37:10
  bit
• 37:10
  more
• 37:10
  attuned
• 37:11
  to
• 37:11
  kind
• 37:11
  of
• 37:11
  what's
• 37:11
  going
• 37:12
  on
• 37:12
  on
• 37:12
  the
• 37:12
  ground.
• 37:13
  Absolutely.
• 37:14
  And
• 37:14
  thank
• 37:14
  you
• 37:14
  for
• 37:15
  the
• 37:15
  question.
• 37:16
  You
• 37:16
  know,
• 37:16
  I
• 37:16
  would
• 37:16
  break
• 37:17
  it
• 37:17
  down
• 37:17
  into
• 37:17
  kind
• 37:17
  of
• 37:17
  three
• 37:17
  areas,
• 37:18
  and
• 37:18
  those
• 37:18
  three
• 37:19
  areas
• 37:19
  would
• 37:19
  be
• 37:20
  this
• 37:21
  idea
• 37:21
  of
• 37:22
  dismantling,
• 37:23
  then
• 37:24
  defunding,
• 37:25
  and
• 37:25
  then
• 37:25
  divesting
• 37:26
  our
• 37:26
  public
• 37:26
  lands
• 37:26
  and
• 37:27
  our
• 37:27
  public
• 37:27
  waters.
• 37:28
  And
• 37:28
  so
• 37:28
  that
• 37:28
  first
• 37:28
  kind
• 37:29
  of
• 37:29
  piece
• 37:29
  of
• 37:29
  dismantling,
• 37:32
  I
• 37:32
  think
• 37:32
  we're
• 37:32
  all
• 37:32
  aware
• 37:33
  and
• 37:33
  hopefully
• 37:33
  are
• 37:33
  aware
• 37:34
  of
• 37:34
  the
• 37:34
  kind
• 37:34
  of
• 37:34
  the
• 37:35
  dojing,
• 37:35
  which
• 37:35
  is
• 37:36
  now
• 37:36
  an
• 37:36
  active
• 37:36
  verb,
• 37:37
  I
• 37:37
  guess.
• 37:37
  But
• 37:37
  like,
• 37:37
  that
• 37:37
  happened,
• 37:38
  you
• 37:38
  know,
• 37:38
  starting
• 37:38
  back
• 37:38
  in
• 37:39
  February
• 37:40
  and
• 37:40
  cutting
• 37:41
  all
• 37:41
  these
• 37:41
  employees,
• 37:42
  federal
• 37:42
  employees,
• 37:43
  from
• 37:44
  our
• 37:44
  state
• 37:44
  or
• 37:45
  from
• 37:45
  our
• 37:45
  federal
• 37:46
  management
• 37:46
  agencies.
• 37:47
  Right.
• 37:47
  So
• 37:47
  these
• 37:47
  are
• 37:47
  the
• 37:47
  people
• 37:48
  that
• 37:48
  are
• 37:48
  on
• 37:48
  the
• 37:48
  front
• 37:48
  lines
• 37:48
  of
• 37:48
  conservation.
• 37:49
  Was
• 37:50
  there
• 37:50
  some
• 37:50
  dead
• 37:50
  weight?
• 37:51
  Absolutely.
• 37:51
  But
• 37:52
  the
• 37:52
  way
• 37:52
  that
• 37:52
  was
• 37:52
  done
• 37:53
  was
• 37:53
  not
• 37:53
  with
• 37:53
  a
• 37:53
  scalpel,
• 37:54
  that
• 37:54
  was
• 37:54
  done
• 37:54
  with
• 37:54
  a,
• 37:54
  you
• 37:55
  know,
• 37:55
  and
• 37:55
  a
• 37:55
  big
• 37:55
  old
• 37:56
  splitting
• 37:57
  mall
• 37:57
  probably
• 37:57
  more
• 37:57
  than
• 37:57
  anything.
• 37:58
  And
• 37:59
  so
• 37:59
  that
• 37:59
  severed,
• 37:59
  you
• 38:00
  know,
• 38:00
  I
• 38:00
  think
• 38:00
  25%
• 38:01
  of
• 38:01
  most
• 38:01
  of
• 38:01
  our
• 38:02
  agency
• 38:02
  workforce.
• 38:03
  There's
• 38:04
  another
• 38:04
  one
• 38:04
  in
• 38:04
  front
• 38:04
  of
• 38:04
  us
• 38:04
  right
• 38:05
  now
• 38:05
  during
• 38:05
  this
• 38:05
  shutdown.
• 38:06
  You
• 38:06
  know,
• 38:06
  they're
• 38:06
  talking
• 38:07
  about
• 38:07
  a
• 38:07
  riff,
• 38:07
  which
• 38:07
  is
• 38:08
  a
• 38:08
  reduction
• 38:08
  in
• 38:08
  force
• 38:10
  and
• 38:10
  making
• 38:10
  this
• 38:10
  stuff
• 38:11
  permanent.
• 38:11
  And
• 38:11
  so
• 38:12
  you're
• 38:13
  just
• 38:13
  taking
• 38:13
  away
• 38:14
  agencies
• 38:15
  that
• 38:15
  were
• 38:15
  already
• 38:16
  understaffed.
• 38:17
  And
• 38:17
  again,
• 38:17
  was
• 38:18
  there
• 38:18
  some
• 38:18
  dead
• 38:18
  weight?
• 38:18
  Absolutely.
• 38:19
  But
• 38:20
  I
• 38:20
  think
• 38:20
  that
• 38:21
  dismantling
• 38:22
  piece
• 38:22
  is
• 38:22
  huge.
• 38:24
  Another
• 38:24
  part
• 38:24
  of
• 38:24
  that
• 38:24
  dismantling
• 38:25
  piece
• 38:25
  is
• 38:25
  really,
• 38:26
  you
• 38:26
  know,
• 38:26
  like
• 38:27
  going
• 38:27
  after
• 38:27
  our
• 38:27
  special
• 38:28
  places.
• 38:28
  So
• 38:29
  you
• 38:29
  mentioned
• 38:29
  the
• 38:29
  Boundary
• 38:29
  Waters,
• 38:30
  right?
• 38:30
  The
• 38:30
  Boundary
• 38:30
  Waters
• 38:31
  in
• 38:31
  northern
• 38:31
  Minnesota.
• 38:32
  1.1
• 38:33
  million
• 38:33
  acres,
• 38:34
  most
• 38:34
  visited
• 38:35
  wilderness
• 38:35
  in
• 38:35
  the
• 38:35
  entire
• 38:35
  Country.
• 38:36
  Because
• 38:37
  5
• 38:37
  year
• 38:37
  olds
• 38:37
  and
• 38:37
  95
• 38:38
  year
• 38:38
  olds
• 38:38
  can
• 38:38
  get
• 38:38
  in
• 38:38
  there
• 38:39
  because
• 38:39
  it's
• 38:39
  pretty
• 38:39
  darn
• 38:39
  easy.
• 38:40
  Like
• 38:40
  you
• 38:40
  just
• 38:40
  get
• 38:40
  in
• 38:40
  a
• 38:40
  canoe
• 38:41
  and
• 38:41
  you
• 38:41
  go
• 38:41
  across
• 38:42
  this
• 38:42
  lake,
• 38:42
  right?
• 38:43
  And
• 38:43
  you're
• 38:43
  in
• 38:43
  the
• 38:43
  Boundary
• 38:43
  Waters.
• 38:44
  The
• 38:44
  Portagene,
• 38:45
  sure.
• 38:45
  When
• 38:45
  you
• 38:45
  gotta
• 38:46
  go
• 38:46
  in
• 38:46
  between
• 38:46
  lakes
• 38:47
  is
• 38:47
  a
• 38:47
  little
• 38:47
  bit
• 38:47
  arduous,
• 38:48
  but
• 38:48
  not
• 38:48
  much.
• 38:48
  Right.
• 38:49
  You're
• 38:49
  not
• 38:49
  gaining
• 38:49
  that
• 38:49
  much
• 38:50
  elevation.
• 38:51
  So
• 38:51
  there's
• 38:51
  a
• 38:51
  reason
• 38:51
  why
• 38:51
  it's
• 38:52
  the
• 38:52
  most
• 38:52
  visited
• 38:52
  wilderness.
• 38:53
  They're
• 38:54
  trying
• 38:54
  to
• 38:54
  dismantle
• 38:55
  kind
• 38:55
  of
• 38:55
  that
• 38:55
  legacy
• 38:56
  by
• 38:56
  putting
• 38:56
  a
• 38:56
  mine
• 38:57
  a
• 38:57
  quarter
• 38:57
  mile
• 38:57
  south
• 38:58
  of
• 38:58
  the
• 38:58
  Boundary
• 38:58
  Waters.
• 38:59
  It's
• 38:59
  a
• 38:59
  Chileano
• 38:59
  mine.
• 39:00
  That
• 39:00
  water
• 39:00
  goes
• 39:00
  north
• 39:01
  and
• 39:02
  so
• 39:02
  that,
• 39:02
  you
• 39:02
  know,
• 39:03
  why
• 39:03
  are
• 39:03
  they
• 39:03
  doing
• 39:03
  it
• 39:03
  there?
• 39:04
  Because
• 39:04
  if
• 39:04
  they
• 39:04
  can
• 39:04
  do
• 39:04
  it
• 39:04
  there,
• 39:04
  they
• 39:05
  can
• 39:05
  do
• 39:05
  it
• 39:05
  anywhere.
• 39:05
  Right?
• 39:06
  I
• 39:06
  mean,
• 39:06
  you
• 39:06
  look
• 39:06
  at
• 39:06
  the
• 39:06
  Arctic
• 39:07
  National
• 39:07
  Wildlife
• 39:08
  Refuge,
• 39:09
  which
• 39:10
  was
• 39:11
  established
• 39:12
  when
• 39:12
  energy
• 39:13
  development
• 39:13
  was
• 39:13
  happening
• 39:14
  on
• 39:14
  the
• 39:15
  North
• 39:15
  Slope,
• 39:15
  in
• 39:15
  particular
• 39:16
  in
• 39:16
  Alaska,
• 39:17
  they
• 39:17
  said,
• 39:17
  let's
• 39:17
  establish
• 39:17
  the
• 39:18
  Arctic
• 39:18
  National
• 39:18
  Wildlife
• 39:18
  Refuge
• 39:19
  as
• 39:19
  a
• 39:19
  place
• 39:19
  where
• 39:19
  we
• 39:20
  don't
• 39:20
  do
• 39:20
  development.
• 39:20
  So
• 39:21
  that
• 39:21
  caribou
• 39:21
  population,
• 39:22
  those
• 39:22
  salmon,
• 39:23
  all
• 39:23
  the
• 39:24
  species
• 39:24
  that
• 39:24
  call
• 39:24
  that
• 39:25
  place
• 39:25
  home,
• 39:26
  that
• 39:26
  they
• 39:26
  can
• 39:26
  thrive
• 39:27
  without
• 39:27
  human
• 39:28
  kind
• 39:28
  of
• 39:28
  impacts
• 39:28
  from
• 39:29
  development
• 39:29
  in
• 39:29
  particular.
• 39:30
  And
• 39:30
  now
• 39:30
  we're
• 39:31
  talking
• 39:31
  about
• 39:31
  going
• 39:31
  into
• 39:31
  the
• 39:31
  Arctic
• 39:32
  National
• 39:32
  Wildlife
• 39:32
  Refuge,
• 39:33
  right?
• 39:33
  And,
• 39:34
  and
• 39:34
  drilling
• 39:34
  for
• 39:35
  oil.
• 39:35
  And
• 39:35
  then
• 39:35
  you
• 39:35
  go
• 39:35
  up
• 39:35
  to
• 39:36
  like
• 39:36
  the
• 39:36
  Brooks
• 39:36
  Range
• 39:38
  up
• 39:38
  in
• 39:39
  northern
• 39:39
  Alaska.
• 39:40
  This
• 39:40
  place
• 39:40
  that
• 39:40
  has
• 39:40
  been
• 39:41
  kind
• 39:41
  of
• 39:41
  untouched.
• 39:42
  I
• 39:42
  mean,
• 39:43
  that
• 39:43
  there's
• 39:43
  a
• 39:44
  road,
• 39:44
  that's
• 39:44
  the
• 39:44
  Ambler
• 39:45
  Road
• 39:45
  that's
• 39:45
  proposed
• 39:45
  up
• 39:45
  there,
• 39:46
  that
• 39:46
  is
• 39:46
  210
• 39:47
  miles
• 39:47
  and
• 39:48
  that,
• 39:48
  you
• 39:48
  know,
• 39:48
  would
• 39:49
  go
• 39:49
  right
• 39:49
  through
• 39:50
  gates
• 39:50
  to
• 39:50
  the
• 39:50
  Arctic
• 39:51
  national
• 39:51
  park.
• 39:52
  It
• 39:52
  crosses
• 39:52
  11
• 39:53
  rivers,
• 39:53
  3,000
• 39:54
  streams.
• 39:55
  Like
• 39:55
  it's
• 39:55
  just,
• 39:55
  like
• 39:56
  it's
• 39:56
  just
• 39:56
  this
• 39:56
  industrial
• 39:57
  road,
• 39:57
  right.
• 39:58
  There's
• 39:58
  just
• 39:58
  places
• 39:59
  where
• 39:59
  we
• 39:59
  shouldn't
• 39:59
  be
• 39:59
  touching.
• 40:00
  But
• 40:00
  that
• 40:00
  dismantling
• 40:00
  has
• 40:01
  Been
• 40:02
  is
• 40:02
  happening
• 40:03
  and
• 40:04
  being
• 40:04
  tried
• 40:04
  in
• 40:04
  these
• 40:04
  places
• 40:05
  like
• 40:05
  the
• 40:05
  Boundary
• 40:05
  Waters
• 40:05
  or
• 40:06
  the
• 40:06
  Arctic,
• 40:07
  because
• 40:07
  there
• 40:08
  are
• 40:08
  these
• 40:08
  special
• 40:08
  places
• 40:08
  that
• 40:09
  if
• 40:09
  they
• 40:09
  can
• 40:09
  do
• 40:09
  it
• 40:09
  there,
• 40:09
  they
• 40:09
  can
• 40:09
  do
• 40:10
  it
• 40:10
  anywhere.
• 40:10
  So
• 40:10
  that
• 40:10
  first
• 40:10
  place
• 40:11
  I
• 40:11
  would
• 40:11
  say
• 40:11
  is
• 40:11
  dismantling
• 40:12
  the
• 40:12
  defunding.
• 40:14
  People
• 40:14
  should
• 40:15
  be
• 40:15
  aware
• 40:15
  of
• 40:15
  this.
• 40:15
  This
• 40:16
  isn't
• 40:16
  new
• 40:16
  to
• 40:16
  this
• 40:16
  administration.
• 40:17
  Defunding
• 40:18
  of
• 40:18
  our
• 40:18
  public
• 40:18
  land
• 40:19
  agencies
• 40:19
  have
• 40:19
  been
• 40:19
  happening
• 40:19
  for
• 40:20
  last
• 40:20
  two
• 40:21
  decades
• 40:21
  where
• 40:21
  we're
• 40:22
  not
• 40:22
  prioritizing,
• 40:23
  I
• 40:23
  would
• 40:23
  say,
• 40:23
  our
• 40:24
  funding
• 40:24
  on
• 40:24
  our
• 40:24
  public
• 40:24
  lands.
• 40:26
  And
• 40:26
  this
• 40:26
  administration
• 40:27
  has
• 40:27
  taken
• 40:27
  it
• 40:27
  to
• 40:27
  a
• 40:28
  whole
• 40:28
  nother
• 40:28
  level.
• 40:28
  Right.
• 40:29
  I
• 40:29
  think
• 40:29
  that
• 40:30
  across
• 40:30
  the
• 40:30
  board,
• 40:31
  this
• 40:31
  budget
• 40:32
  hasn't
• 40:32
  been
• 40:32
  passed
• 40:32
  yet,
• 40:33
  thank
• 40:33
  goodness.
• 40:33
  But
• 40:34
  they're
• 40:34
  talking
• 40:34
  about
• 40:34
  cutting
• 40:35
  our
• 40:35
  federal
• 40:36
  management
• 40:36
  agencies
• 40:37
  by
• 40:37
  35%.
• 40:38
  So,
• 40:38
  you
• 40:38
  know,
• 40:38
  that's,
• 40:39
  that's
• 40:39
  a
• 40:39
  defunding.
• 40:40
  I
• 40:40
  would
• 40:40
  say
• 40:40
  in
• 40:40
  a
• 40:41
  big
• 40:41
  way,
• 40:41
  I
• 40:41
  have
• 40:41
  solutions
• 40:42
  for
• 40:42
  that.
• 40:42
  Maybe
• 40:42
  we
• 40:42
  can
• 40:42
  get
• 40:43
  to
• 40:43
  later.
• 40:44
  But
• 40:44
  that
• 40:44
  defunding
• 40:45
  and
• 40:45
  then
• 40:45
  the
• 40:45
  last
• 40:46
  place
• 40:46
  is
• 40:46
  that
• 40:46
  divestiture.
• 40:47
  And
• 40:47
  I
• 40:47
  think
• 40:48
  that,
• 40:48
  you
• 40:48
  know,
• 40:48
  everybody
• 40:49
  is
• 40:49
  looking
• 40:49
  at
• 40:51
  kind
• 40:51
  of
• 40:51
  the
• 40:51
  sale
• 40:51
  of
• 40:51
  public
• 40:52
  lands
• 40:52
  that
• 40:52
  happened
• 40:52
  late
• 40:53
  spring
• 40:53
  and
• 40:53
  early
• 40:53
  summer.
• 40:54
  You
• 40:54
  know,
• 40:54
  it's
• 40:54
  proposed
• 40:55
  to
• 40:55
  help
• 40:56
  pay
• 40:56
  off
• 40:56
  these
• 40:57
  tax
• 40:57
  breaks.
• 40:57
  So
• 40:57
  it
• 40:58
  was
• 40:58
  in
• 40:58
  the
• 40:58
  house
• 40:58
  first
• 40:58
  3
• 40:59
  million
• 40:59
  acres,
• 40:59
  then
• 41:00
  it
• 41:00
  went
• 41:00
  over
• 41:00
  to
• 41:00
  the
• 41:00
  Senate
• 41:01
  and,
• 41:02
  and
• 41:03
  you
• 41:03
  know,
• 41:03
  it
• 41:03
  was
• 41:04
  resoundingly,
• 41:05
  like
• 41:05
  sent
• 41:05
  back
• 41:05
  to
• 41:06
  the
• 41:06
  drawing
• 41:06
  board
• 41:07
  or
• 41:07
  like
• 41:07
  put
• 41:07
  in
• 41:07
  the
• 41:08
  dirt.
• 41:08
  Maybe
• 41:08
  using
• 41:08
  that
• 41:08
  shovel,
• 41:09
  that
• 41:09
  analogy
• 41:10
  earlier,
• 41:10
  you
• 41:10
  know,
• 41:10
  they
• 41:10
  got
• 41:10
  banged
• 41:11
  on
• 41:11
  the
• 41:11
  head
• 41:11
  and
• 41:11
  then
• 41:11
  we
• 41:12
  brought
• 41:12
  out
• 41:12
  the
• 41:12
  shovel
• 41:12
  and
• 41:12
  buried
• 41:13
  it.
• 41:14
  But
• 41:14
  Mike
• 41:14
  Lee,
• 41:15
  who's,
• 41:15
  you
• 41:15
  know,
• 41:15
  this,
• 41:16
  the
• 41:16
  in
• 41:16
  charge
• 41:16
  of
• 41:17
  the
• 41:17
  Energy
• 41:17
  and
• 41:17
  Natural
• 41:18
  Resources
• 41:18
  Committee
• 41:18
  in
• 41:19
  the
• 41:19
  Senate,
• 41:20
  you
• 41:20
  know,
• 41:20
  once
• 41:21
  he
• 41:21
  pulled
• 41:22
  back
• 41:22
  that
• 41:23
  provision
• 41:23
  of
• 41:23
  the
• 41:23
  bill,
• 41:25
  he
• 41:26
  said
• 41:26
  publicly
• 41:26
  and
• 41:27
  he
• 41:27
  said
• 41:27
  it
• 41:27
  multiple
• 41:27
  times
• 41:27
  that
• 41:28
  I'm
• 41:28
  not
• 41:28
  done.
• 41:29
  And
• 41:29
  he
• 41:29
  is
• 41:29
  the
• 41:29
  chair
• 41:30
  of
• 41:30
  the
• 41:30
  Energy
• 41:30
  and
• 41:30
  Natural
• 41:30
  Resources
• 41:31
  Committee.
• 41:31
  So
• 41:31
  believe
• 41:32
  me,
• 41:32
  it's
• 41:32
  not
• 41:32
  over
• 41:32
  when
• 41:33
  he
• 41:33
  has
• 41:33
  that
• 41:33
  position.
• 41:34
  And,
• 41:34
  and
• 41:34
  ultimately,
• 41:35
  you
• 41:35
  know,
• 41:35
  the
• 41:35
  sale
• 41:35
  of
• 41:35
  public
• 41:36
  lands,
• 41:37
  which
• 41:37
  that,
• 41:38
  which
• 41:38
  the
• 41:38
  defunding
• 41:39
  and
• 41:39
  dismantling
• 41:40
  lead
• 41:40
  to,
• 41:41
  like
• 41:41
  if
• 41:41
  we
• 41:41
  can't
• 41:42
  take
• 41:42
  care
• 41:43
  and
• 41:43
  feed
• 41:43
  of
• 41:43
  our
• 41:43
  public
• 41:44
  lands
• 41:44
  and
• 41:44
  our
• 41:44
  public
• 41:44
  waters,
• 41:45
  well,
• 41:45
  man,
• 41:45
  maybe
• 41:46
  we
• 41:46
  should
• 41:46
  privatize
• 41:46
  those
• 41:46
  things
• 41:48
  that
• 41:48
  divestor.
• 41:49
  We
• 41:49
  never
• 41:49
  get
• 41:49
  it
• 41:50
  back.
• 41:50
  Right.
• 41:50
  And
• 41:50
  that's
• 41:50
  never
• 41:51
  going
• 41:51
  to
• 41:51
  go
• 41:51
  away.
• 41:51
  And
• 41:52
  I
• 41:52
  think
• 41:52
  Roy
• 41:52
  Rogers
• 41:53
  this
• 41:54
  quote,
• 41:54
  and
• 41:54
  that
• 41:54
  was,
• 41:54
  that
• 41:55
  was
• 41:55
  my
• 41:55
  dad
• 41:55
  that
• 41:55
  told
• 41:55
  me
• 41:55
  this.
• 41:56
  I'm
• 41:56
  not
• 41:56
  dating
• 41:56
  myself
• 41:56
  far
• 41:57
  back
• 41:57
  to
• 41:57
  Roy
• 41:57
  Rogers,
• 41:57
  but
• 41:58
  he
• 41:58
  just
• 41:58
  quote,
• 41:59
  you
• 41:59
  know,
• 41:59
  buy
• 42:00
  land
• 42:00
  because
• 42:00
  they're
• 42:00
  not
• 42:00
  making
• 42:00
  any
• 42:01
  more
• 42:01
  of
• 42:01
  it.
• 42:01
  And
• 42:02
  like
• 42:02
  this
• 42:02
  public
• 42:02
  land,
• 42:03
  640
• 42:03
  million
• 42:04
  acres
• 42:04
  that
• 42:04
  you
• 42:04
  and
• 42:04
  I
• 42:04
  all
• 42:05
  own,
• 42:06
  the
• 42:06
  real
• 42:06
  estate
• 42:07
  alone
• 42:07
  is
• 42:07
  worth,
• 42:07
  you
• 42:07
  know,
• 42:08
  trillions
• 42:09
  of
• 42:09
  dollars.
• 42:09
  But
• 42:09
  then,
• 42:09
  you
• 42:10
  know,
• 42:10
  all
• 42:10
  the
• 42:10
  resources
• 42:10
  There
• 42:11
  are
• 42:11
  worth
• 42:11
  a
• 42:11
  lot
• 42:11
  too.
• 42:12
  And
• 42:12
  so
• 42:12
  somebody's
• 42:13
  going
• 42:13
  to
• 42:13
  always
• 42:13
  try
• 42:13
  to
• 42:13
  privatize
• 42:14
  those.
• 42:15
  And
• 42:15
  we
• 42:15
  the
• 42:15
  people
• 42:15
  just
• 42:16
  have
• 42:16
  to
• 42:16
  like,
• 42:16
  you
• 42:16
  know,
• 42:16
  do
• 42:16
  what
• 42:17
  we
• 42:17
  can
• 42:17
  to
• 42:17
  keep,
• 42:17
  keep
• 42:18
  in
• 42:18
  front
• 42:18
  of
• 42:18
  that.
• 42:18
  So
• 42:19
  those
• 42:19
  three,
• 42:19
  three
• 42:20
  kind
• 42:20
  of
• 42:20
  ideas
• 42:21
  of
• 42:21
  defund,
• 42:22
  dismantle
• 42:23
  and
• 42:23
  then
• 42:24
  divest,
• 42:24
  I
• 42:24
  think
• 42:24
  are
• 42:25
  the
• 42:25
  three
• 42:25
  main
• 42:25
  things
• 42:26
  right
• 42:26
  there.
• 42:26
  And
• 42:26
  there's
• 42:27
  plenty
• 42:27
  more
• 42:27
  that
• 42:27
  I
• 42:28
  could
• 42:28
  talk
• 42:28
  about
• 42:28
  and
• 42:28
  all
• 42:28
  that,
• 42:29
  but
• 42:29
  I
• 42:29
  don't
• 42:29
  want
• 42:29
  to,
• 42:29
  you
• 42:29
  know,
• 42:30
  overwhelm
• 42:31
  people,
• 42:31
  I
• 42:31
  would
• 42:31
  say.
• 42:32
  Yeah,
• 42:32
  and
• 42:32
  I
• 42:32
  would
• 42:32
  say
• 42:32
  too,
• 42:33
  I
• 42:33
  think
• 42:33
  the
• 42:33
  important
• 42:33
  thing
• 42:34
  is
• 42:34
  that,
• 42:34
  you
• 42:34
  know,
• 42:35
  while
• 42:35
  you
• 42:35
  are
• 42:36
  absolutely
• 42:36
  a
• 42:36
  defender
• 42:37
  of
• 42:37
  public
• 42:37
  land,
• 42:37
  you
• 42:38
  are
• 42:38
  not
• 42:38
  anti
• 42:39
  development
• 42:39
  and
• 42:39
  anti
• 42:40
  management.
• 42:40
  Right.
• 42:41
  And
• 42:41
  so
• 42:41
  I
• 42:42
  think,
• 42:42
  you
• 42:42
  know,
• 42:42
  you
• 42:42
  and
• 42:42
  I
• 42:42
  have
• 42:42
  talked
• 42:43
  before,
• 42:43
  you
• 42:44
  know,
• 42:44
  your
• 42:44
  frustration
• 42:44
  is
• 42:45
  to
• 42:45
  your
• 42:45
  point
• 42:45
  is
• 42:45
  like,
• 42:46
  as
• 42:47
  opposed
• 42:47
  to
• 42:47
  having
• 42:48
  a
• 42:48
  thoughtful,
• 42:49
  deliberate
• 42:49
  process,
• 42:50
  you
• 42:51
  know,
• 42:51
  we
• 42:51
  just
• 42:51
  kind
• 42:51
  of
• 42:51
  go
• 42:51
  in
• 42:51
  with
• 42:52
  sledgehammers
• 42:52
  and
• 42:52
  malls.
• 42:53
  Right.
• 42:53
  And
• 42:54
  so
• 42:54
  why
• 42:54
  don't
• 42:54
  you
• 42:54
  let
• 42:54
  folks
• 42:55
  kind
• 42:55
  of
• 42:55
  know?
• 42:55
  Because,
• 42:55
  you
• 42:56
  know,
• 42:56
  that's
• 42:56
  always
• 42:56
  a
• 42:57
  common
• 42:57
  kind
• 42:57
  of
• 42:58
  little
• 42:58
  bit
• 42:58
  of
• 42:58
  shade
• 42:58
  people
• 42:59
  throw
• 42:59
  on
• 42:59
  people
• 42:59
  that
• 42:59
  do
• 43:00
  what
• 43:00
  you
• 43:00
  do,
• 43:00
  which
• 43:00
  is
• 43:00
  like,
• 43:00
  well,
• 43:01
  they're
• 43:01
  against
• 43:01
  everything.
• 43:01
  Right,
• 43:02
  right.
• 43:02
  And
• 43:03
  they'll,
• 43:03
  you
• 43:04
  know,
• 43:04
  talk
• 43:04
  about
• 43:04
  owls
• 43:05
  and
• 43:05
  salamanders
• 43:06
  and
• 43:06
  all
• 43:06
  kinds
• 43:06
  of
• 43:07
  stuff
• 43:07
  and
• 43:07
  how
• 43:07
  things
• 43:07
  didn't
• 43:08
  happen.
• 43:08
  But
• 43:08
  you
• 43:08
  know,
• 43:09
  why
• 43:09
  don't
• 43:09
  you
• 43:09
  let
• 43:09
  folks
• 43:10
  understand
• 43:10
  that?
• 43:10
  Like
• 43:11
  you
• 43:12
  understand
• 43:12
  that
• 43:13
  yet
• 43:13
  we
• 43:13
  have
• 43:13
  to
• 43:13
  responsibly
• 43:14
  unlock
• 43:15
  the
• 43:15
  value
• 43:15
  in
• 43:16
  our
• 43:16
  kind
• 43:16
  of
• 43:16
  common
• 43:17
  heritage.
• 43:18
  So
• 43:18
  good.
• 43:18
  So
• 43:19
  good.
• 43:19
  So,
• 43:20
  you
• 43:20
  know,
• 43:20
  Roosevelt,
• 43:21
  back
• 43:22
  in
• 43:22
  the
• 43:23
  early
• 43:23
  1900s
• 43:24
  when
• 43:24
  he
• 43:24
  kind
• 43:24
  of
• 43:24
  started
• 43:24
  our
• 43:25
  conservation
• 43:25
  legacy,
• 43:26
  he
• 43:27
  kind
• 43:27
  of,
• 43:28
  that
• 43:28
  made
• 43:28
  conservation
• 43:29
  a
• 43:29
  national
• 43:30
  ideal.
• 43:30
  And
• 43:30
  part
• 43:30
  of
• 43:30
  what
• 43:31
  he
• 43:31
  was
• 43:31
  talking
• 43:31
  about
• 43:31
  is
• 43:32
  these
• 43:32
  resources
• 43:33
  should
• 43:33
  be,
• 43:34
  you
• 43:34
  know,
• 43:34
  for
• 43:34
  the
• 43:35
  most
• 43:35
  amount
• 43:35
  of
• 43:35
  people,
• 43:36
  for
• 43:36
  the
• 43:36
  longest
• 43:36
  amount
• 43:36
  of
• 43:37
  time.
• 43:37
  And
• 43:38
  that
• 43:38
  rings
• 43:39
  true
• 43:39
  to
• 43:39
  me.
• 43:39
  Like
• 43:39
  these
• 43:39
  aren't
• 43:40
  just
• 43:40
  a
• 43:40
  set
• 43:40
  aside
• 43:41
  and
• 43:41
  not
• 43:41
  do
• 43:41
  anything
• 43:41
  about,
• 43:42
  but
• 43:42
  how
• 43:43
  do
• 43:43
  we
• 43:43
  do
• 43:43
  this
• 43:43
  in
• 43:43
  responsible
• 43:44
  ways
• 43:44
  so
• 43:44
  that
• 43:44
  we're
• 43:45
  not
• 43:45
  robbing
• 43:46
  the
• 43:46
  inheritance
• 43:47
  of
• 43:47
  future
• 43:47
  generations?
• 43:48
  Right.
• 43:48
  Like
• 43:49
  we
• 43:49
  could
• 43:49
  rape
• 43:49
  and
• 43:49
  pillage
• 43:50
  and
• 43:50
  take
• 43:50
  everything
• 43:50
  we
• 43:51
  can
• 43:51
  right
• 43:51
  now,
• 43:52
  which
• 43:53
  would
• 43:53
  be
• 43:53
  beneficial
• 43:54
  in
• 43:54
  the
• 43:54
  short
• 43:54
  term.
• 43:54
  But
• 43:54
  the
• 43:55
  long
• 43:55
  term,
• 43:55
  what
• 43:55
  is
• 43:55
  that?
• 43:55
  How's
• 43:56
  that
• 43:56
  going
• 43:56
  to
• 43:56
  play
• 43:56
  out?
• 43:56
  Right.
• 43:57
  And
• 43:57
  so
• 43:57
  I'd
• 43:57
  say
• 43:58
  that
• 43:58
  in
• 43:58
  a
• 43:58
  couple
• 43:58
  ways.
• 43:59
  I
• 43:59
  already
• 44:00
  brought
• 44:00
  up
• 44:00
  the
• 44:00
  Arctic
• 44:00
  National
• 44:01
  Wildlife
• 44:01
  Refuge
• 44:01
  that
• 44:02
  was
• 44:02
  established.
• 44:02
  Wild
• 44:03
  development
• 44:03
  is
• 44:03
  happening
• 44:03
  in
• 44:04
  the
• 44:04
  North
• 44:04
  Slope.
• 44:04
  What
• 44:05
  an
• 44:05
  amazing
• 44:05
  compromise.
• 44:07
  You're
• 44:07
  going
• 44:07
  to
• 44:07
  do
• 44:07
  all
• 44:07
  this
• 44:08
  oil
• 44:08
  and
• 44:08
  gas
• 44:08
  development
• 44:09
  over
• 44:09
  here,
• 44:09
  but
• 44:10
  over
• 44:10
  here
• 44:10
  we're
• 44:10
  going
• 44:10
  to
• 44:10
  protect
• 44:11
  this
• 44:11
  area.
• 44:11
  Right.
• 44:11
  I
• 44:11
  think
• 44:12
  that
• 44:12
  is
• 44:12
  a
• 44:12
  super
• 44:12
  awesome
• 44:13
  compromise
• 44:14
  that
• 44:14
  was
• 44:15
  come
• 44:15
  up
• 44:15
  with.
• 44:16
  When
• 44:16
  I
• 44:16
  think
• 44:16
  about
• 44:16
  oil
• 44:17
  and
• 44:17
  gas
• 44:17
  development
• 44:17
  more
• 44:18
  recently,
• 44:19
  when
• 44:19
  you
• 44:19
  think
• 44:19
  about
• 44:20
  down
• 44:20
  in
• 44:21
  Wyoming
• 44:22
  in
• 44:22
  particular,
• 44:23
  they
• 44:23
  went
• 44:23
  in
• 44:23
  there
• 44:24
  and
• 44:24
  they
• 44:24
  really
• 44:24
  nuked
• 44:25
  that
• 44:25
  landscape.
• 44:25
  And
• 44:25
  what
• 44:26
  they
• 44:26
  could
• 44:26
  have
• 44:26
  done
• 44:26
  is
• 44:26
  they
• 44:26
  could
• 44:27
  have
• 44:27
  developed
• 44:27
  that
• 44:28
  oil
• 44:28
  and
• 44:29
  gas
• 44:29
  in
• 44:29
  one
• 44:29
  spot,
• 44:30
  then
• 44:31
  behind
• 44:31
  it,
• 44:31
  you
• 44:31
  know,
• 44:32
  get
• 44:32
  that
• 44:32
  done,
• 44:33
  get
• 44:33
  it
• 44:33
  cleaned
• 44:33
  up
• 44:33
  as
• 44:33
  you're
• 44:34
  developing
• 44:34
  the
• 44:34
  next.
• 44:34
  But
• 44:34
  they
• 44:35
  kind
• 44:35
  of
• 44:35
  did
• 44:35
  it
• 44:35
  all
• 44:35
  at
• 44:35
  the
• 44:35
  same
• 44:35
  time.
• 44:36
  So
• 44:36
  the
• 44:36
  impacts
• 44:37
  that
• 44:37
  had
• 44:37
  to
• 44:37
  mule
• 44:37
  deer
• 44:38
  populations
• 44:38
  in
• 44:38
  particular,
• 44:39
  or
• 44:39
  pronghorn
• 44:40
  antelope
• 44:40
  and
• 44:40
  their,
• 44:40
  and
• 44:40
  their
• 44:40
  migration,
• 44:42
  like
• 44:42
  you
• 44:42
  were
• 44:43
  doing
• 44:43
  that
• 44:43
  all
• 44:43
  in
• 44:43
  the
• 44:43
  same
• 44:43
  place
• 44:44
  at
• 44:44
  the
• 44:44
  same
• 44:44
  time
• 44:44
  when
• 44:45
  you
• 44:45
  could
• 44:45
  have
• 44:45
  done
• 44:45
  that
• 44:45
  in
• 44:45
  phase
• 44:46
  development
• 44:46
  and
• 44:46
  cleaned
• 44:47
  up
• 44:47
  as
• 44:47
  you
• 44:47
  went.
• 44:48
  And
• 44:48
  you
• 44:49
  know,
• 44:49
  this
• 44:49
  term
• 44:49
  right
• 44:50
  now
• 44:50
  of
• 44:50
  like
• 44:50
  energy,
• 44:51
  you
• 44:51
  know,
• 44:51
  dominance,
• 44:53
  that
• 44:53
  doesn't
• 44:54
  sound
• 44:54
  like
• 44:54
  conservation
• 44:54
  to
• 44:55
  me.
• 44:55
  That
• 44:55
  sounds
• 44:55
  like
• 44:55
  a
• 44:55
  lot
• 44:55
  of
• 44:56
  money
• 44:56
  being
• 44:56
  made
• 44:56
  by
• 44:56
  a
• 44:57
  few
• 44:57
  amount
• 44:57
  of
• 44:57
  people
• 44:58
  in
• 44:58
  a
• 44:58
  short
• 44:58
  amount
• 44:59
  of
• 44:59
  time.
• 44:59
  It
• 44:59
  doesn't
• 44:59
  talk
• 44:59
  about,
• 45:00
  you
• 45:00
  know,
• 45:00
  like,
• 45:00
  let's,
• 45:00
  let's
• 45:01
  make
• 45:01
  sure
• 45:01
  that
• 45:01
  we
• 45:01
  have
• 45:02
  energy
• 45:03
  for
• 45:03
  future
• 45:03
  generations.
• 45:05
  And
• 45:05
  so
• 45:05
  I
• 45:05
  think
• 45:06
  that,
• 45:06
  that,
• 45:07
  you
• 45:07
  know,
• 45:07
  that's
• 45:08
  part
• 45:08
  of
• 45:08
  the
• 45:08
  way
• 45:08
  I'd
• 45:08
  answer
• 45:09
  that
• 45:09
  question.
• 45:09
  I
• 45:09
  would.
• 45:09
  You
• 45:10
  know,
• 45:10
  renewable
• 45:10
  energy
• 45:11
  has
• 45:11
  super
• 45:12
  impacts
• 45:12
  on
• 45:12
  the
• 45:12
  ground,
• 45:12
  you
• 45:13
  know,
• 45:13
  and,
• 45:13
  and,
• 45:14
  and
• 45:14
  how
• 45:14
  do
• 45:14
  you,
• 45:15
  how
• 45:15
  do
• 45:15
  you
• 45:15
  mitigate
• 45:16
  that?
• 45:16
  Well,
• 45:17
  again,
• 45:18
  create
• 45:19
  funds
• 45:19
  that
• 45:19
  come
• 45:19
  out
• 45:20
  of,
• 45:20
  you
• 45:20
  know,
• 45:20
  the
• 45:20
  development
• 45:21
  of
• 45:21
  those
• 45:21
  resources
• 45:22
  to
• 45:23
  know
• 45:23
  that
• 45:23
  you're
• 45:23
  sacrificing
• 45:24
  this
• 45:24
  certain
• 45:25
  area,
• 45:25
  but
• 45:25
  in
• 45:25
  other
• 45:25
  areas
• 45:26
  you're
• 45:26
  going
• 45:26
  to
• 45:26
  promote,
• 45:26
  stay
• 45:27
  out
• 45:27
  of,
• 45:27
  you
• 45:27
  know,
• 45:28
  wildlife
• 45:28
  corridors,
• 45:29
  stay
• 45:29
  out
• 45:29
  of
• 45:29
  like
• 45:29
  kind
• 45:29
  of
• 45:30
  the
• 45:30
  riparians.
• 45:30
  I
• 45:30
  mean,
• 45:30
  you're
• 45:31
  not
• 45:31
  putting
• 45:31
  renewable
• 45:32
  energy
• 45:32
  necessarily
• 45:32
  in
• 45:33
  riparian
• 45:33
  zones,
• 45:34
  but
• 45:34
  like
• 45:34
  utilize
• 45:34
  that
• 45:35
  money
• 45:36
  to
• 45:36
  do
• 45:36
  good
• 45:36
  things
• 45:37
  elsewhere.
• 45:37
  Right.
• 45:38
  Another
• 45:38
  good
• 45:38
  example
• 45:39
  historically
• 45:39
  would
• 45:39
  be
• 45:40
  the
• 45:40
  Land
• 45:40
  and
• 45:40
  Water
• 45:40
  Conservation
• 45:41
  Fund.
• 45:42
  There
• 45:42
  was
• 45:43
  oil
• 45:43
  and
• 45:43
  gas
• 45:43
  developing,
• 45:44
  happening,
• 45:44
  you
• 45:44
  know,
• 45:44
  in
• 45:44
  the
• 45:45
  Gulf
• 45:45
  of
• 45:45
  Mexico
• 45:45
  in
• 45:45
  the
• 45:46
  60s
• 45:46
  in
• 45:46
  a
• 45:46
  big
• 45:46
  way.
• 45:47
  It
• 45:47
  was
• 45:47
  starting
• 45:47
  to
• 45:47
  ramp
• 45:47
  up.
• 45:48
  And
• 45:48
  Congress
• 45:48
  passes
• 45:49
  the
• 45:49
  Land
• 45:50
  Water
• 45:50
  Conservation
• 45:51
  Fund
• 45:51
  to
• 45:52
  basically
• 45:52
  take
• 45:53
  excise
• 45:53
  tax
• 45:54
  or,
• 45:54
  excuse
• 45:54
  me,
• 45:54
  royalties
• 45:55
  off
• 45:55
  of
• 45:55
  the
• 45:56
  oil
• 45:56
  and
• 45:56
  gas
• 45:56
  being
• 45:56
  developed
• 45:57
  and
• 45:58
  put
• 45:58
  that
• 45:58
  into
• 45:58
  conservation
• 45:59
  and
• 45:59
  access
• 46:00
  all
• 46:00
  around
• 46:00
  this
• 46:00
  country.
• 46:01
  And
• 46:01
  so,
• 46:02
  you
• 46:02
  know,
• 46:02
  here
• 46:02
  in
• 46:02
  Montana,
• 46:03
  my
• 46:03
  home
• 46:03
  state,
• 46:03
  70%
• 46:04
  of
• 46:04
  our
• 46:04
  fishing
• 46:05
  access
• 46:05
  sites
• 46:05
  are
• 46:06
  paid
• 46:06
  for
• 46:06
  by
• 46:06
  the
• 46:06
  Land
• 46:06
  Water
• 46:07
  Conservation
• 46:07
  Fund.
• 46:07
  So
• 46:08
  money
• 46:08
  that
• 46:08
  is
• 46:08
  coming
• 46:09
  from
• 46:09
  development
• 46:10
  of
• 46:10
  oil
• 46:10
  and
• 46:11
  gas
• 46:11
  in
• 46:11
  the
• 46:11
  Gulf
• 46:11
  is
• 46:12
  benefiting
• 46:12
  things
• 46:12
  here
• 46:13
  in
• 46:13
  Montana,
• 46:13
  which
• 46:13
  is
• 46:13
  a
• 46:13
  long
• 46:14
  ways
• 46:14
  away.
• 46:14
  That
• 46:15
  to
• 46:15
  me
• 46:15
  is
• 46:15
  forward
• 46:16
  thinking.
• 46:16
  And
• 46:16
  so
• 46:16
  we're
• 46:16
  still
• 46:17
  going
• 46:17
  to
• 46:17
  develop
• 46:17
  these
• 46:17
  resources.
• 46:18
  But
• 46:19
  one,
• 46:19
  let's
• 46:19
  stay
• 46:19
  out
• 46:20
  of
• 46:20
  like
• 46:20
  very
• 46:20
  special
• 46:20
  places.
• 46:21
  I
• 46:21
  mentioned
• 46:21
  the
• 46:21
  Boundary
• 46:22
  Waters.
• 46:22
  There's
• 46:22
  no
• 46:23
  reason,
• 46:23
  I
• 46:23
  mean,
• 46:24
  I
• 46:24
  don't
• 46:24
  know
• 46:24
  if
• 46:24
  you've
• 46:24
  ever
• 46:24
  been
• 46:24
  up
• 46:24
  there,
• 46:25
  but
• 46:25
  like
• 46:25
  it's
• 46:25
  all
• 46:25
  water
• 46:26
  up
• 46:26
  there,
• 46:26
  you
• 46:26
  know,
• 46:26
  the
• 46:26
  land
• 46:27
  of
• 46:27
  10,000
• 46:27
  lakes.
• 46:27
  I
• 46:28
  think
• 46:28
  it's
• 46:28
  more
• 46:28
  like
• 46:28
  30,000
• 46:29
  lakes,
• 46:29
  but
• 46:29
  you
• 46:29
  have
• 46:29
  this
• 46:29
  wilderness
• 46:30
  area.
• 46:31
  They
• 46:32
  want
• 46:32
  to
• 46:32
  put
• 46:32
  a
• 46:32
  mine
• 46:32
  a
• 46:32
  quarter
• 46:33
  mile
• 46:33
  south
• 46:34
  where
• 46:34
  all
• 46:34
  water
• 46:34
  flows
• 46:35
  north.
• 46:35
  There.
• 46:35
  I
• 46:35
  got
• 46:36
  this.
• 46:36
  It
• 46:36
  blows
• 46:36
  my
• 46:37
  mind
• 46:37
  that
• 46:37
  they
• 46:37
  think
• 46:37
  that
• 46:37
  that
• 46:38
  is
• 46:38
  a
• 46:38
  good
• 46:38
  idea.
• 46:38
  Right.
• 46:39
  Not
• 46:39
  to
• 46:40
  mention
• 46:40
  that
• 46:40
  it's
• 46:40
  owned
• 46:40
  by
• 46:41
  a
• 46:41
  Chilean
• 46:41
  billionaire.
• 46:42
  But
• 46:42
  that's
• 46:42
  beside
• 46:43
  the
• 46:43
  point.
• 46:43
  It's
• 46:43
  not
• 46:43
  an
• 46:43
  American
• 46:44
  owned
• 46:44
  company,
• 46:45
  but
• 46:46
  it's
• 46:46
  where
• 46:46
  we
• 46:46
  put
• 46:47
  these
• 46:47
  things
• 46:47
  and
• 46:47
  how
• 46:47
  we
• 46:47
  develop
• 46:48
  it.
• 46:48
  Right.
• 46:48
  And
• 46:48
  if
• 46:49
  we're
• 46:49
  going
• 46:49
  to
• 46:49
  think
• 46:49
  about
• 46:49
  conservation,
• 46:50
  how
• 46:51
  do
• 46:51
  you
• 46:51
  do
• 46:51
  that
• 46:51
  in
• 46:51
  a
• 46:51
  sustained
• 46:52
  fashion?
• 46:52
  And
• 46:52
  I
• 46:52
  think
• 46:53
  logging.
• 46:53
  You
• 46:53
  know,
• 46:54
  I
• 46:55
  grew
• 46:55
  up
• 46:55
  here
• 46:55
  in
• 46:55
  Montana
• 46:56
  where
• 46:57
  clear
• 46:57
  cuts
• 46:57
  used
• 46:57
  to
• 46:58
  be
• 46:58
  the
• 46:58
  way
• 46:58
  we
• 46:58
  log.
• 46:58
  We
• 46:58
  don't
• 46:58
  log
• 46:59
  like
• 46:59
  that
• 46:59
  anymore.
• 46:59
  You
• 47:00
  know,
• 47:00
  we're
• 47:00
  doing
• 47:00
  things
• 47:00
  in
• 47:00
  a
• 47:01
  much
• 47:01
  more
• 47:01
  sustainable
• 47:01
  fashion
• 47:02
  and
• 47:03
  more
• 47:03
  mimicking,
• 47:04
  I
• 47:04
  would
• 47:04
  say,
• 47:05
  nature.
• 47:06
  And
• 47:06
  so
• 47:06
  that,
• 47:07
  that
• 47:07
  logging,
• 47:08
  that
• 47:08
  timber
• 47:09
  harvest
• 47:09
  can
• 47:09
  happen
• 47:10
  in
• 47:10
  a.
• 47:11
  In
• 47:11
  a
• 47:12
  sustained
• 47:12
  way
• 47:12
  that
• 47:13
  is.
• 47:13
  Is
• 47:13
  very
• 47:15
  methodical,
• 47:16
  that
• 47:16
  actually
• 47:17
  is
• 47:17
  beneficial
• 47:17
  to
• 47:17
  the
• 47:18
  fish
• 47:18
  and
• 47:18
  wildlife
• 47:18
  versus
• 47:19
  not.
• 47:19
  And
• 47:19
  so
• 47:20
  I
• 47:20
  think
• 47:20
  that
• 47:20
  there's
• 47:20
  ways
• 47:21
  to
• 47:21
  do
• 47:21
  development
• 47:23
  that,
• 47:23
  you
• 47:23
  know,
• 47:23
  both
• 47:24
  benefit
• 47:24
  and
• 47:25
  benefit
• 47:25
  the
• 47:25
  resource
• 47:26
  and,
• 47:26
  you
• 47:26
  know,
• 47:26
  benefit
• 47:27
  the
• 47:27
  people
• 47:27
  as
• 47:28
  far
• 47:28
  as
• 47:28
  resource
• 47:28
  extraction.
• 47:29
  But
• 47:30
  this
• 47:30
  idea
• 47:30
  of
• 47:31
  energy
• 47:31
  dominance,
• 47:32
  that
• 47:32
  sounds
• 47:32
  like
• 47:33
  plunder
• 47:33
  and
• 47:33
  pillage
• 47:34
  to
• 47:34
  me.
• 47:34
  It
• 47:34
  does
• 47:34
  not.
• 47:35
  You
• 47:35
  know,
• 47:35
  it's
• 47:35
  like
• 47:35
  of
• 47:35
  the
• 47:36
  days
• 47:36
  of
• 47:36
  old.
• 47:36
  So
• 47:36
  we
• 47:37
  need
• 47:37
  to
• 47:37
  get
• 47:37
  away
• 47:37
  from
• 47:37
  that.
• 47:38
  Yeah.
• 47:38
  It's
• 47:38
  interesting
• 47:39
  too.
• 47:39
  Kind
• 47:39
  of
• 47:39
  back
• 47:40
  to
• 47:40
  the
• 47:40
  whole
• 47:40
  raising
• 47:41
  children
• 47:41
  thing.
• 47:41
  You
• 47:41
  know,
• 47:41
  I
• 47:42
  always
• 47:42
  tell
• 47:42
  my
• 47:42
  boys
• 47:42
  that
• 47:42
  all
• 47:43
  the
• 47:43
  hard
• 47:43
  work
• 47:43
  is
• 47:43
  in
• 47:43
  the
• 47:43
  middle.
• 47:44
  Right?
• 47:45
  Yeah.
• 47:45
  So
• 47:46
  to
• 47:46
  your
• 47:46
  point,
• 47:46
  that's
• 47:46
  the
• 47:47
  fulcrum
• 47:47
  that
• 47:47
  you
• 47:47
  work
• 47:47
  on.
• 47:47
  But,
• 47:48
  you
• 47:48
  know,
• 47:48
  it's
• 47:48
  like
• 47:48
  to
• 47:48
  be
• 47:48
  able
• 47:49
  to
• 47:49
  have
• 47:50
  like.
• 47:50
  I
• 47:50
  always
• 47:50
  think
• 47:50
  it's
• 47:50
  such
• 47:50
  a
• 47:51
  false
• 47:51
  framing.
• 47:51
  Like
• 47:51
  it's
• 47:52
  either
• 47:52
  a
• 47:52
  or
• 47:52
  not
• 47:52
  a.
• 47:53
  Totally.
• 47:54
  Right.
• 47:54
  And,
• 47:54
  you
• 47:54
  know,
• 47:55
  we.
• 47:55
  I
• 47:55
  think
• 47:55
  the
• 47:56
  everybody
• 47:56
  we.
• 47:56
  And
• 47:57
  not
• 47:57
  just
• 47:57
  for
• 47:57
  this,
• 47:57
  but
• 47:57
  in
• 47:58
  lots
• 47:58
  of
• 47:58
  things.
• 47:59
  The
• 47:59
  world
• 48:00
  would
• 48:00
  be
• 48:00
  such
• 48:00
  a
• 48:00
  better
• 48:00
  place
• 48:01
  if
• 48:02
  we
• 48:02
  could,
• 48:02
  you
• 48:02
  know,
• 48:03
  kind
• 48:03
  of
• 48:03
  hold
• 48:04
  two
• 48:04
  ideas
• 48:04
  in
• 48:04
  our
• 48:04
  head
• 48:05
  at
• 48:05
  the
• 48:05
  same
• 48:05
  time
• 48:06
  and
• 48:06
  talk
• 48:06
  about
• 48:06
  them.
• 48:08
  I
• 48:08
  use
• 48:08
  the
• 48:08
  word
• 48:09
  compromise,
• 48:10
  right.
• 48:11
  And
• 48:11
  that
• 48:12
  sounds
• 48:12
  like
• 48:12
  a
• 48:12
  dirty
• 48:12
  word
• 48:13
  to
• 48:13
  a
• 48:13
  lot
• 48:13
  of
• 48:13
  people.
• 48:14
  Compromise
• 48:14
  means
• 48:14
  you're
• 48:15
  giving
• 48:15
  up
• 48:15
  something.
• 48:17
  Absolutely,
• 48:17
  you
• 48:17
  are.
• 48:18
  We're
• 48:19
  also
• 48:19
  finding
• 48:19
  a
• 48:19
  path
• 48:20
  forward
• 48:20
  for
• 48:20
  everybody,
• 48:20
  too.
• 48:21
  And
• 48:21
  like,
• 48:22
  you
• 48:22
  know,
• 48:22
  an
• 48:22
  example
• 48:22
  of
• 48:22
  that
• 48:23
  would
• 48:23
  be
• 48:23
  here
• 48:23
  in
• 48:23
  Montana,
• 48:25
  where
• 48:25
  you
• 48:25
  had
• 48:26
  timber
• 48:26
  companies
• 48:26
  working
• 48:27
  with
• 48:27
  hunters
• 48:27
  and
• 48:27
  anglers,
• 48:28
  working
• 48:28
  with
• 48:28
  snowmobilers,
• 48:29
  working
• 48:29
  with
• 48:30
  hikers,
• 48:30
  working
• 48:30
  with
• 48:30
  mountain
• 48:31
  bikers.
• 48:31
  And
• 48:31
  they
• 48:31
  looked
• 48:31
  at
• 48:31
  this
• 48:32
  landscape
• 48:32
  up
• 48:32
  the
• 48:32
  Blackfoot
• 48:33
  Valley,
• 48:34
  they
• 48:34
  said,
• 48:35
  all
• 48:35
  right,
• 48:35
  we
• 48:35
  want
• 48:35
  to
• 48:36
  harvest
• 48:36
  more
• 48:36
  timber.
• 48:37
  We
• 48:37
  also
• 48:37
  want
• 48:38
  some
• 48:38
  more
• 48:38
  wilderness.
• 48:39
  But
• 48:39
  with
• 48:39
  that
• 48:39
  wilderness,
• 48:40
  we're
• 48:40
  not
• 48:40
  going
• 48:40
  to
• 48:40
  be
• 48:40
  able
• 48:40
  to
• 48:41
  use
• 48:41
  Snow
• 48:41
  machines
• 48:41
  in
• 48:42
  there.
• 48:43
  And
• 48:43
  so
• 48:43
  let's
• 48:43
  do
• 48:43
  some
• 48:43
  snow
• 48:44
  machine
• 48:44
  stuff
• 48:44
  over
• 48:44
  here.
• 48:45
  Same
• 48:45
  thing
• 48:45
  with
• 48:45
  mountain
• 48:45
  bikes.
• 48:46
  And
• 48:46
  so
• 48:47
  all
• 48:48
  those
• 48:48
  different
• 48:48
  groups,
• 48:49
  ranchers
• 48:49
  were
• 48:49
  involved
• 48:49
  as
• 48:50
  well.
• 48:50
  All
• 48:50
  these
• 48:50
  groups
• 48:51
  got
• 48:51
  together
• 48:52
  and
• 48:52
  they
• 48:53
  found
• 48:53
  a
• 48:53
  path
• 48:53
  forward.
• 48:54
  Now,
• 48:54
  was
• 48:54
  that
• 48:54
  perfect
• 48:55
  for
• 48:55
  everybody?
• 48:55
  I
• 48:56
  would
• 48:56
  say
• 48:56
  no.
• 48:57
  But
• 48:57
  was
• 48:57
  it
• 48:58
  a
• 48:58
  good
• 48:58
  enough
• 48:58
  path
• 48:59
  forward
• 48:59
  that
• 48:59
  everybody
• 48:59
  could
• 48:59
  live
• 48:59
  with?
• 49:00
  I
• 49:00
  would
• 49:00
  say
• 49:00
  yes.
• 49:00
  Right.
• 49:01
  And
• 49:01
  so
• 49:02
  working
• 49:02
  together,
• 49:03
  they
• 49:03
  compromised,
• 49:04
  which,
• 49:05
  again,
• 49:05
  a
• 49:05
  lot
• 49:05
  of
• 49:05
  people
• 49:05
  think
• 49:05
  is
• 49:06
  a
• 49:06
  dirty
• 49:06
  word.
• 49:06
  But
• 49:06
  it's
• 49:07
  also
• 49:07
  like,
• 49:07
  you
• 49:08
  know,
• 49:08
  man,
• 49:09
  if
• 49:09
  I
• 49:09
  didn't
• 49:09
  compromise,
• 49:09
  I
• 49:09
  wouldn't
• 49:10
  be
• 49:10
  married.
• 49:10
  You
• 49:10
  know,
• 49:11
  I
• 49:11
  mean,
• 49:11
  like,
• 49:11
  any
• 49:12
  relationship
• 49:12
  you
• 49:12
  have,
• 49:13
  if
• 49:13
  you're
• 49:13
  dominating
• 49:13
  that
• 49:14
  relationship,
• 49:14
  that's
• 49:14
  not
• 49:14
  going
• 49:14
  to
• 49:15
  last
• 49:15
  very
• 49:15
  long.
• 49:15
  Right.
• 49:15
  There's
• 49:16
  compromise
• 49:16
  in
• 49:16
  that
• 49:16
  relationship.
• 49:17
  And
• 49:17
  so
• 49:18
  I
• 49:18
  think
• 49:18
  we
• 49:18
  need
• 49:18
  to
• 49:18
  think
• 49:18
  about
• 49:19
  that
• 49:19
  word
• 49:19
  is
• 49:19
  not
• 49:20
  a
• 49:20
  dirty
• 49:20
  word.
• 49:20
  And
• 49:20
  when
• 49:21
  politicians
• 49:21
  in
• 49:21
  particular
• 49:22
  are
• 49:23
  thinking
• 49:23
  about
• 49:24
  how
• 49:24
  they
• 49:24
  extend,
• 49:25
  you
• 49:25
  know,
• 49:25
  an
• 49:26
  olive
• 49:26
  ranch
• 49:26
  here,
• 49:27
  or
• 49:27
  they
• 49:27
  say,
• 49:28
  yeah,
• 49:28
  I
• 49:28
  don't
• 49:28
  really
• 49:28
  like
• 49:28
  that,
• 49:29
  but
• 49:29
  I
• 49:29
  want
• 49:30
  to
• 49:30
  get
• 49:30
  this
• 49:30
  done
• 49:30
  over
• 49:30
  here.
• 49:30
  So
• 49:31
  I'll
• 49:31
  say
• 49:31
  yes
• 49:31
  to
• 49:31
  this.
• 49:32
  Like,
• 49:32
  that
• 49:32
  is
• 49:33
  okay.
• 49:33
  And
• 49:33
  that's
• 49:33
  the
• 49:33
  way
• 49:34
  the
• 49:34
  world
• 49:34
  works.
• 49:34
  And
• 49:35
  I
• 49:35
  don't,
• 49:35
  you
• 49:35
  know,
• 49:35
  the
• 49:36
  way
• 49:37
  that
• 49:37
  that's
• 49:37
  portrayed
• 49:37
  in
• 49:37
  the
• 49:38
  media
• 49:38
  is
• 49:38
  that,
• 49:38
  you
• 49:38
  know,
• 49:38
  you,
• 49:39
  you
• 49:39
  sold
• 49:39
  your
• 49:39
  soul.
• 49:40
  And
• 49:40
  sure,
• 49:40
  you
• 49:40
  know,
• 49:41
  like,
• 49:41
  there
• 49:41
  are
• 49:41
  people
• 49:41
  maybe
• 49:42
  that
• 49:42
  did
• 49:42
  sell
• 49:42
  their
• 49:42
  soul,
• 49:43
  but
• 49:43
  the
• 49:43
  idea
• 49:44
  of
• 49:44
  compromise
• 49:44
  is
• 49:44
  something
• 49:44
  I
• 49:45
  think
• 49:45
  that
• 49:45
  we
• 49:45
  should
• 49:45
  celebrate
• 49:46
  versus
• 49:46
  putting
• 49:47
  the
• 49:47
  ground.
• 49:47
  Yeah,
• 49:48
  I
• 49:48
  think
• 49:48
  it's
• 49:48
  nuts
• 49:48
  to,
• 49:49
  like,
• 49:49
  think.
• 49:50
  I
• 49:50
  mean,
• 49:50
  because
• 49:50
  implicit
• 49:51
  in
• 49:51
  all
• 49:51
  this
• 49:51
  is
• 49:51
  you
• 49:51
  have
• 49:51
  to
• 49:52
  think
• 49:52
  that
• 49:52
  you
• 49:52
  or
• 49:52
  your
• 49:52
  tribe
• 49:53
  are
• 49:53
  right
• 49:53
  all
• 49:53
  of
• 49:54
  the
• 49:54
  time.
• 49:54
  And
• 49:54
  like,
• 49:55
  I
• 49:55
  don't
• 49:55
  know,
• 49:56
  like,
• 49:56
  if
• 49:56
  you
• 49:56
  put
• 49:56
  a
• 49:56
  gun
• 49:57
  to
• 49:57
  my
• 49:57
  head,
• 49:57
  I
• 49:57
  would
• 49:57
  say
• 49:57
  that's
• 49:58
  probably
• 49:58
  not
• 49:58
  true.
• 49:59
  Right?
• 49:59
  Yeah.
• 49:59
  Yeah.
• 50:01
  So,
• 50:01
  yeah,
• 50:01
  it's
• 50:01
  interesting.
• 50:02
  And
• 50:02
  so,
• 50:02
  you
• 50:02
  know,
• 50:02
  folks
• 50:02
  have
• 50:03
  seen,
• 50:03
  you
• 50:03
  know,
• 50:03
  American
• 50:03
  hunters
• 50:04
  and
• 50:04
  anglers
• 50:04
  on
• 50:05
  Instagram,
• 50:06
  you
• 50:06
  know,
• 50:07
  and
• 50:07
  you
• 50:07
  talked
• 50:07
  about,
• 50:07
  you
• 50:08
  know,
• 50:08
  that
• 50:08
  you,
• 50:08
  you
• 50:09
  know,
• 50:09
  you're,
• 50:09
  you're,
• 50:10
  you're
• 50:10
  like
• 50:10
  the
• 50:10
  swift
• 50:10
  boats.
• 50:11
  Right.
• 50:12
  So
• 50:12
  are
• 50:13
  people
• 50:13
  going
• 50:13
  to
• 50:13
  predominantly
• 50:14
  see
• 50:14
  you
• 50:14
  on
• 50:14
  social
• 50:14
  media
• 50:15
  or
• 50:15
  are
• 50:15
  they
• 50:15
  going
• 50:15
  to
• 50:16
  see
• 50:16
  you,
• 50:16
  you
• 50:17
  know,
• 50:17
  more
• 50:17
  active
• 50:18
  on
• 50:18
  the
• 50:18
  lobbying
• 50:19
  front
• 50:19
  kind
• 50:19
  of
• 50:19
  going
• 50:19
  down
• 50:19
  the
• 50:19
  road?
• 50:20
  I
• 50:20
  mean,
• 50:20
  kind
• 50:20
  of.
• 50:20
  What's
• 50:20
  that
• 50:21
  kind
• 50:21
  of,
• 50:21
  you
• 50:21
  know,
• 50:21
  interaction
• 50:22
  and
• 50:22
  outreach
• 50:22
  mix
• 50:23
  going
• 50:23
  to
• 50:23
  look
• 50:23
  like?
• 50:24
  It's
• 50:24
  great.
• 50:25
  So
• 50:25
  social
• 50:25
  media,
• 50:26
  for
• 50:26
  sure,
• 50:26
  is
• 50:26
  like
• 50:27
  our
• 50:27
  number
• 50:27
  one
• 50:27
  tool.
• 50:28
  It
• 50:29
  bothers
• 50:29
  me
• 50:29
  that,
• 50:30
  you
• 50:30
  know,
• 50:30
  more
• 50:30
  than
• 50:30
  half
• 50:31
  the
• 50:31
  people
• 50:31
  in
• 50:31
  America
• 50:31
  are
• 50:31
  taking
• 50:32
  their
• 50:32
  news
• 50:32
  now
• 50:32
  off
• 50:32
  of
• 50:33
  social
• 50:33
  media.
• 50:33
  You
• 50:33
  know,
• 50:34
  that's,
• 50:35
  that's
• 50:35
  frustrating
• 50:35
  to
• 50:36
  me
• 50:36
  because
• 50:36
  it's
• 50:36
  in
• 50:36
  60
• 50:36
  to
• 50:37
  90
• 50:37
  second
• 50:37
  hits,
• 50:38
  but
• 50:39
  also
• 50:39
  it's
• 50:39
  a
• 50:40
  huge
• 50:40
  opportunity,
• 50:40
  you
• 50:40
  know,
• 50:41
  to
• 50:41
  help
• 50:41
  influence
• 50:41
  that
• 50:41
  space
• 50:42
  too.
• 50:42
  And
• 50:42
  so
• 50:42
  that's
• 50:43
  really
• 50:43
  where
• 50:43
  we're
• 50:43
  focused.
• 50:44
  You'll
• 50:44
  see
• 50:44
  us,
• 50:45
  you
• 50:45
  know,
• 50:45
  in
• 50:45
  traditional
• 50:46
  stuff,
• 50:47
  you
• 50:47
  know,
• 50:48
  like
• 50:48
  Paul
• 50:48
  Smith
• 50:49
  wrote
• 50:49
  a
• 50:49
  great
• 50:49
  article
• 50:49
  about
• 50:50
  us
• 50:50
  in
• 50:50
  the
• 50:50
  Milwaukee
• 50:51
  Journal.
• 50:51
  You
• 50:51
  know,
• 50:51
  shout
• 50:52
  out
• 50:52
  to
• 50:52
  Paul
• 50:52
  and
• 50:52
  kind
• 50:52
  of
• 50:53
  that
• 50:53
  paper
• 50:53
  for
• 50:54
  continuing
• 50:54
  to
• 50:54
  have
• 50:55
  outdoor
• 50:55
  writers
• 50:55
  at
• 50:56
  his.
• 50:56
  At
• 50:56
  their
• 50:56
  paper.
• 50:57
  I
• 50:57
  think
• 50:57
  that's
• 50:57
  pretty
• 50:57
  amazing.
• 50:59
  The
• 50:59
  lobbying
• 51:00
  stuff,
• 51:00
  you
• 51:00
  know,
• 51:00
  we'll
• 51:00
  do
• 51:01
  some
• 51:01
  of.
• 51:02
  But
• 51:02
  again,
• 51:03
  that's
• 51:03
  not
• 51:03
  our
• 51:03
  main
• 51:03
  stick.
• 51:04
  I
• 51:04
  would
• 51:05
  say
• 51:05
  that
• 51:05
  podcast
• 51:05
  like
• 51:06
  this,
• 51:06
  you
• 51:06
  know,
• 51:07
  that's
• 51:07
  way
• 51:07
  different
• 51:07
  than
• 51:08
  the
• 51:08
  60
• 51:08
  to
• 51:08
  90
• 51:08
  seconds
• 51:09
  is
• 51:09
  where
• 51:09
  you
• 51:09
  can
• 51:09
  have
• 51:10
  a
• 51:10
  longer,
• 51:11
  nuanced
• 51:11
  conversation,
• 51:12
  which
• 51:12
  we've
• 51:12
  had
• 51:12
  today.
• 51:13
  And
• 51:13
  so,
• 51:14
  you
• 51:14
  know,
• 51:14
  we
• 51:14
  have
• 51:14
  our
• 51:14
  own
• 51:14
  podcast
• 51:15
  that
• 51:15
  we're
• 51:15
  ramping
• 51:16
  up
• 51:16
  this
• 51:16
  fall
• 51:16
  called
• 51:16
  the
• 51:17
  arena.
• 51:18
  And
• 51:18
  that's
• 51:19
  back
• 51:19
  to
• 51:19
  the
• 51:19
  old
• 51:19
  Theodore
• 51:20
  Roosevelt
• 51:20
  kind
• 51:21
  of
• 51:21
  quote,
• 51:21
  the
• 51:21
  man
• 51:21
  in
• 51:21
  the
• 51:22
  arena
• 51:23
  or
• 51:23
  speech.
• 51:24
  But
• 51:24
  so
• 51:25
  see
• 51:25
  us
• 51:25
  on
• 51:25
  podcast.
• 51:26
  And
• 51:26
  then
• 51:26
  once
• 51:27
  election
• 51:27
  time
• 51:27
  rolls
• 51:28
  around,
• 51:28
  you're
• 51:28
  going
• 51:28
  to
• 51:28
  probably,
• 51:29
  you
• 51:29
  know,
• 51:29
  see
• 51:29
  us
• 51:30
  in
• 51:30
  ads
• 51:31
  in
• 51:31
  certain
• 51:31
  parts
• 51:31
  of
• 51:31
  this
• 51:32
  country,
• 51:33
  and
• 51:33
  not
• 51:33
  necessarily
• 51:33
  on
• 51:33
  TV,
• 51:34
  but,
• 51:34
  you
• 51:34
  know,
• 51:34
  probably
• 51:35
  on
• 51:35
  Hulu
• 51:35
  and
• 51:36
  YouTube
• 51:36
  and
• 51:36
  stuff
• 51:36
  like
• 51:36
  that,
• 51:37
  where
• 51:37
  we
• 51:37
  can
• 51:37
  become
• 51:38
  very
• 51:38
  targeted
• 51:39
  in
• 51:39
  certain
• 51:40
  states
• 51:40
  and
• 51:41
  certain
• 51:41
  demographics,
• 51:42
  try
• 51:42
  to
• 51:42
  tell
• 51:43
  the
• 51:43
  story
• 51:43
  and
• 51:43
  give
• 51:43
  people
• 51:44
  options
• 51:44
  to
• 51:44
  think
• 51:44
  about
• 51:45
  when
• 51:45
  they're
• 51:45
  going
• 51:45
  to
• 51:45
  vote.
• 51:46
  So
• 51:47
  those
• 51:47
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• 51:47
  kind
• 51:47
  of
• 51:47
  the
• 51:47
  three
• 51:48
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• 51:48
  I
• 51:48
  would
• 51:48
  say
• 51:49
  is.
• 51:49
  Is
• 51:49
  really
• 51:50
  not
• 51:51
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• 51:51
  much
• 51:51
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• 51:51
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• 51:51
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• 51:52
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• 51:52
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• 51:52
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• 51:52
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• 51:52
  think,
• 51:52
  you
• 51:53
  know,
• 51:53
  maybe
• 51:53
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• 51:54
  you
• 51:54
  know,
• 51:54
  I
• 51:54
  think
• 51:54
  that.
• 51:55
  But
• 51:55
  right
• 51:55
  now,
• 51:56
  you
• 51:56
  know,
• 51:56
  again,
• 51:56
  we're
• 51:57
  the
• 51:57
  ones
• 51:57
  that
• 51:57
  are
• 51:57
  creating
• 51:57
  fires
• 51:58
  and
• 51:58
  so
• 51:58
  that
• 51:58
  others
• 51:58
  can
• 51:58
  do
• 51:59
  that.
• 52:00
  Got
• 52:00
  it.
• 52:00
  And
• 52:00
  so
• 52:00
  folks
• 52:00
  wanted
• 52:01
  to
• 52:01
  get
• 52:01
  involved
• 52:01
  and
• 52:02
  support
• 52:02
  your
• 52:02
  work.
• 52:02
  Where
• 52:03
  should
• 52:03
  they
• 52:03
  go
• 52:03
  and
• 52:03
  what
• 52:03
  should
• 52:03
  they
• 52:04
  do?
• 52:04
  It's
• 52:04
  great.
• 52:05
  So
• 52:05
  you
• 52:05
  can
• 52:05
  follow
• 52:05
  us
• 52:06
  on
• 52:06
  Instagram.
• 52:06
  I
• 52:06
  think
• 52:06
  that's
• 52:07
  our
• 52:07
  most
• 52:07
  active
• 52:07
  piece
• 52:07
  right
• 52:08
  now.
• 52:08
  And
• 52:08
  that's
• 52:08
  just
• 52:08
  American
• 52:09
  Hunters
• 52:10
  Anglers.
• 52:11
  No.
• 52:11
  And
• 52:11
  in
• 52:11
  there,
• 52:11
  just
• 52:12
  American
• 52:12
  Hunters
• 52:12
  Anglers.
• 52:13
  You
• 52:13
  can
• 52:13
  find
• 52:13
  us
• 52:14
  there.
• 52:15
  And
• 52:15
  you
• 52:15
  can
• 52:15
  do
• 52:15
  that
• 52:15
  on.
• 52:16
  On
• 52:16
  TikTok
• 52:16
  and
• 52:17
  Facebook.
• 52:17
  Facebook's
• 52:18
  probably,
• 52:18
  you
• 52:18
  know,
• 52:18
  that's
• 52:19
  the.
• 52:19
  The
• 52:19
  nine
• 52:19
  of
• 52:19
  all
• 52:20
  three,
• 52:20
  I
• 52:20
  would
• 52:20
  say.
• 52:21
  And
• 52:22
  then
• 52:22
  YouTube,
• 52:23
  you
• 52:24
  can
• 52:24
  find
• 52:24
  us
• 52:24
  there.
• 52:25
  But
• 52:25
  then
• 52:25
  our
• 52:26
  website
• 52:26
  is,
• 52:26
  is.
• 52:27
  Is
• 52:27
  nolandgrab.com
• 52:29
  and
• 52:29
  I'm
• 52:29
  stoked
• 52:29
  that
• 52:29
  we
• 52:29
  got
• 52:30
  that
• 52:30
  handle.
• 52:30
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• 52:30
  it's
• 52:31
  no
• 52:31
  land
• 52:31
  grab.com
• 52:32
  you
• 52:32
  can
• 52:32
  sign
• 52:33
  up
• 52:33
  for
• 52:33
  updates
• 52:33
  where
• 52:33
  we'll
• 52:34
  send
• 52:34
  press
• 52:34
  releases.
• 52:35
  We
• 52:35
  still
• 52:35
  do
• 52:35
  that
• 52:35
  kind
• 52:36
  of
• 52:36
  traditional
• 52:36
  press
• 52:36
  outreach
• 52:37
  that
• 52:37
  way.
• 52:38
  And
• 52:38
  you
• 52:38
  can
• 52:39
  stay,
• 52:39
  you
• 52:39
  know,
• 52:39
  up
• 52:39
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• 52:39
  date
• 52:40
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• 52:40
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• 52:40
  of
• 52:40
  what
• 52:40
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• 52:40
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• 52:41
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• 52:41
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• 52:41
  well,
• 52:42
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• 52:42
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• 52:42
  a
• 52:42
  venue.
• 52:42
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• 52:44
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• 52:44
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• 52:44
  the
• 52:44
  best
• 52:44
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• 52:45
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• 52:45
  most
• 52:45
  active
• 52:45
  there.
• 52:46
  Gotcha.
• 52:46
  And
• 52:46
  before
• 52:47
  I
• 52:47
  let
• 52:47
  you
• 52:47
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• 52:48
  you
• 52:48
  know,
• 52:48
  this
• 52:48
  afternoon
• 52:49
  for
• 52:49
  me,
• 52:49
  late
• 52:49
  this
• 52:50
  morning
• 52:50
  for
• 52:50
  you.
• 52:51
  Anything
• 52:51
  else
• 52:51
  you
• 52:51
  want
• 52:51
  to
• 52:52
  share
• 52:52
  with
• 52:52
  our
• 52:52
  listeners?
• 52:54
  You
• 52:54
  know,
• 52:54
  I've
• 52:54
  kind
• 52:54
  of
• 52:55
  said
• 52:55
  this
• 52:55
  throughout,
• 52:55
  especially
• 52:56
  at
• 52:56
  the
• 52:56
  beginning,
• 52:58
  but,
• 52:58
  you
• 52:59
  know,
• 52:59
  your
• 53:00
  voice
• 53:00
  matters,
• 53:02
  and
• 53:02
  it
• 53:02
  doesn't
• 53:03
  if
• 53:03
  you
• 53:03
  don't
• 53:03
  use
• 53:03
  it.
• 53:03
  And
• 53:04
  another
• 53:04
  way
• 53:04
  to
• 53:04
  say
• 53:04
  that
• 53:04
  is
• 53:05
  that
• 53:05
  we're
• 53:05
  either
• 53:06
  at
• 53:06
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• 53:06
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• 53:07
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• 53:08
  on
• 53:08
  the
• 53:08
  menu.
• 53:09
  And
• 53:10
  at
• 53:10
  the
• 53:10
  table
• 53:11
  doesn't
• 53:11
  necessarily
• 53:11
  mean
• 53:12
  that
• 53:12
  you
• 53:12
  get
• 53:12
  everything
• 53:12
  that
• 53:12
  you
• 53:13
  want.
• 53:13
  But
• 53:14
  if
• 53:14
  we're
• 53:14
  not
• 53:14
  at
• 53:14
  the
• 53:14
  table,
• 53:14
  somebody
• 53:15
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• 53:15
  is.
• 53:15
  And
• 53:16
  we're
• 53:16
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• 53:16
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• 53:16
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• 53:16
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• 53:16
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• 53:16
  everything
• 53:17
  that
• 53:17
  we
• 53:17
  want.
• 53:17
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• 53:18
  so
• 53:19
  to
• 53:19
  me,
• 53:20
  you
• 53:20
  know,
• 53:21
  again,
• 53:21
  democracy
• 53:22
  is
• 53:22
  about
• 53:23
  engagement
• 53:23
  from
• 53:24
  the
• 53:24
  people.
• 53:25
  And
• 53:25
  right
• 53:25
  now
• 53:25
  is
• 53:25
  a
• 53:26
  pivotal,
• 53:26
  pivotal
• 53:27
  moment
• 53:27
  to
• 53:27
  do
• 53:27
  that.
• 53:27
  So
• 53:28
  do
• 53:28
  what
• 53:28
  you
• 53:28
  can
• 53:28
  where
• 53:28
  you
• 53:29
  are
• 53:29
  with
• 53:29
  what
• 53:29
  you
• 53:29
  got.
• 53:30
  Got
• 53:30
  it.
• 53:31
  And
• 53:31
  so
• 53:31
  we
• 53:31
  talked
• 53:31
  about
• 53:32
  American
• 53:32
  hunters,
• 53:33
  and
• 53:33
  I'll
• 53:33
  drop
• 53:33
  all
• 53:33
  those
• 53:33
  links
• 53:34
  in
• 53:34
  the
• 53:34
  show
• 53:34
  notes
• 53:34
  for
• 53:34
  you.
• 53:34
  But
• 53:35
  if
• 53:35
  folks
• 53:35
  want
• 53:35
  to
• 53:35
  kind
• 53:35
  of
• 53:35
  keep
• 53:36
  up
• 53:36
  with
• 53:36
  your
• 53:36
  adventures
• 53:37
  in
• 53:38
  the
• 53:38
  field
• 53:38
  and
• 53:38
  on
• 53:39
  the
• 53:39
  water
• 53:39
  and
• 53:40
  everywhere.
• 53:40
  Where
• 53:41
  should
• 53:41
  they
• 53:41
  go?
• 53:42
  Yeah,
• 53:42
  just
• 53:42
  Land
• 53:43
  Tawney
• 53:44
  on
• 53:44
  Instagram.
• 53:44
  It's
• 53:45
  like
• 53:45
  my
• 53:45
  handle,
• 53:46
  so
• 53:46
  my
• 53:46
  name.
• 53:47
  And
• 53:48
  you'll
• 53:48
  see,
• 53:48
  you
• 53:48
  know,
• 53:49
  a
• 53:49
  little
• 53:49
  bit
• 53:49
  of
• 53:49
  soccer
• 53:49
  in
• 53:50
  there
• 53:50
  because
• 53:50
  my
• 53:50
  daughter
• 53:51
  and
• 53:51
  son
• 53:51
  both
• 53:52
  play
• 53:52
  soccer,
• 53:53
  but
• 53:53
  they
• 53:53
  also
• 53:54
  spend
• 53:54
  a
• 53:54
  ton
• 53:54
  of
• 53:54
  time
• 53:54
  with
• 53:54
  me,
• 53:55
  you
• 53:55
  know,
• 53:55
  in
• 53:55
  the
• 53:55
  woods
• 53:55
  and
• 53:56
  water.
• 53:56
  So
• 53:56
  that's
• 53:56
  where
• 53:56
  you
• 53:57
  can
• 53:57
  find
• 53:57
  me.
• 53:57
  Yeah,
• 53:57
  I
• 53:58
  think
• 53:58
  I
• 53:58
  saw
• 53:58
  a
• 53:58
  duck
• 53:58
  dog
• 53:59
  not
• 54:00
  too,
• 54:00
  too
• 54:00
  long
• 54:00
  ago.
• 54:02
  I
• 54:02
  think
• 54:02
  I
• 54:03
  posted
• 54:03
  and
• 54:03
  said
• 54:03
  this
• 54:03
  is
• 54:03
  my
• 54:04
  side
• 54:04
  piece.
• 54:05
  She's.
• 54:06
  That's
• 54:06
  Tuli.
• 54:06
  She's
• 54:07
  eight
• 54:07
  years
• 54:07
  old.
• 54:08
  Absolutely.
• 54:08
  You
• 54:09
  know,
• 54:09
  one
• 54:09
  of
• 54:09
  the
• 54:10
  loves
• 54:10
  of
• 54:10
  my
• 54:10
  life
• 54:11
  that,
• 54:11
  you
• 54:11
  know,
• 54:11
  not
• 54:12
  only
• 54:12
  is
• 54:12
  a
• 54:12
  great
• 54:12
  duck
• 54:13
  dog,
• 54:13
  but
• 54:13
  a
• 54:13
  great
• 54:13
  companion
• 54:14
  as
• 54:14
  well.
• 54:14
  Yeah.
• 54:15
  Well,
• 54:15
  there
• 54:15
  you
• 54:15
  go.
• 54:15
  Well,
• 54:15
  listen,
• 54:16
  Land,
• 54:16
  I
• 54:16
  really
• 54:16
  appreciate
• 54:17
  you
• 54:17
  carving
• 54:17
  out
• 54:17
  some
• 54:17
  time
• 54:18
  for
• 54:18
  me
• 54:18
  today.
• 54:19
  Marvin,
• 54:20
  thank
• 54:20
  you.
• 54:20
  And
• 54:20
  thank
• 54:20
  you
• 54:21
  for,
• 54:21
  you
• 54:21
  know,
• 54:21
  I
• 54:21
  mean,
• 54:21
  just
• 54:22
  the
• 54:22
  opportunity
• 54:22
  to
• 54:22
  talk
• 54:22
  about
• 54:23
  these
• 54:23
  issues.
• 54:23
  Right.
• 54:23
  I
• 54:24
  mean,
• 54:24
  I
• 54:24
  think
• 54:24
  that's
• 54:25
  part
• 54:25
  of
• 54:25
  this
• 54:25
  whole
• 54:26
  thing
• 54:26
  is
• 54:26
  communication
• 54:26
  and
• 54:27
  letting
• 54:27
  people
• 54:27
  know
• 54:27
  what's
• 54:27
  going
• 54:28
  on.
• 54:28
  Absolutely.
• 54:29
  Thanks
• 54:29
  so
• 54:29
  much.
• 54:30
  Yeah,
• 54:30
  thank
• 54:31
  you.
• 54:31
  Well,
• 54:32
  folks,
• 54:32
  we
• 54:32
  hope
• 54:32
  you
• 54:33
  enjoyed
• 54:33
  the
• 54:33
  interview
• 54:33
  as
• 54:34
  much
• 54:34
  as
• 54:34
  we
• 54:34
  enjoyed
• 54:35
  bringing
• 54:35
  it
• 54:35
  to
• 54:35
  you.
• 54:35
  Remember,
• 54:36
  links
• 54:36
  to
• 54:36
  all
• 54:37
  this
• 54:37
  episode
• 54:37
  sponsors
• 54:38
  are
• 54:38
  in
• 54:38
  the
• 54:38
  show
• 54:38
  notes.
• 54:39
  Check
• 54:39
  them
• 54:39
  out.
• 54:40
  Tight
• 54:41
  lines,
• 54:41
  everybody.