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UNDER CONSTRUCTION: It wasn't a full tear-down, but the Angels have embarked on major rebuild · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

• 0:08
  Speaker 1: Well, Hey, Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo territory.
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: I am Mike Dgievanna form Ala, Times Baseball writer and
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: host of the show, joined by Mark Trumbo, my regular
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: co host and former Angel slugger, and our regular guest
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: contributor Sam Blumer of The Athletic.
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: Well, guys, it's Monday evening.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: The trade deadline has passed, and it was a bit
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: of a doozy for the Angels. They stopped short of
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: a full teardown, but started a significant rebuild by trading
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: five players today off their big league roster Jose Soriano,
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: Ryan Zephyr, John Joe Adell, Brent Souter, and Kirby Yates
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: and acquiring eight prospects. And if you throw in last
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: week's trade at Chase Silseth and Logan o'happy to the Rangers,
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: that's seven big leaguers for nine prospects. The three best
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: players acquired in these deals were Blue Jay's shortstop prospect
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: Arjun Nomala, who was slotted into the number two slot
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: in the Angels' rankings by MLB Pipeline Pipeline, and Guardians
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: catching prospect Jacob Cozart, who slotted into the number eighteen
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: spot and they also got a guy Mark's pretty fond
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: of Cubs backup catcher moices by Asteros, and he will
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: join the Angels in Baltimore on Tuesday. Of note, the
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: Angels did not trade the two players who probably were
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: their most coveted and would have garnered the biggest returns.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: That's pitcher Reid Detmers and Zach Netta. So I want
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: to start our reactions on the panel today with a
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  Speaker 1: tweet from Sam today. What the Angels are doing today
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: is unrecognizable from their method of operation and long overdue.
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: If they someday, if someday today turn this around, be
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: it next year, the year after, or even twenty twenty nine,
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: today will be a necessary first step.
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: Sam, you want to kind of elaborate on that.
• 1:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is what big league teams do.
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: Right when you play terrible baseball and you're not in
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: a playoff position, you look at what you have and
• 2:07
  Speaker 3: you assess and you decide, okay, this is we have
• 2:09
  Speaker 3: to make a change, right Like, And that's what literally
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: what Gemalzlax said. So I you know, it's like I said,
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  Speaker 3: it's a first step, right. There are so many other
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: parts of this organization that I think need a hard look,
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  Speaker 3: including you know, personnel that work there that you know,
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  Speaker 3: other players on this roster, processes like everything. Right, It's
• 2:27
  Speaker 3: not just making trades of the deadline, because they you know,
• 2:31
  Speaker 3: they're worse team today than they were yesterday in terms
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: of their actual on field product. But I think they're
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  Speaker 3: a healthy organization in terms of process and making smart decisions.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what I mean by that.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It's a first step, but I think it's a really
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  Speaker 3: good first step. And now they've got some real, you know,
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  Speaker 3: potential talent in that farm system. It gives them some
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  Speaker 3: flexibility that allows them, if they are able to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: make some some additions I think through free agency. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: then you can actually start to build a foundation for
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  Speaker 3: a successful team.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's the combination you need to be able
• 3:02
  Speaker 3: to go into the off season add players in free
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  Speaker 3: agency depending on what the lockout, what things look like
• 3:07
  Speaker 3: post lockout, but also then have a base of talent
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: that continues to come through your system. And that's you know,
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: when you're bad, you use deadlines to make yourselves better
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  Speaker 3: for the future. And they finally did that. It's such
• 3:18
  Speaker 3: an easy, simple concept that has eluded them for far
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  Speaker 3: too long.
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  Speaker 2: Mark, what was your reaction to the day's events.
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  Speaker 5: Watched for the majority of the day as the deals
• 3:32
  Speaker 5: materialized or didn't. I think that I don't have anything
• 3:38
  Speaker 5: that can really top what Sam just said. He you know,
• 3:43
  Speaker 5: this is why he gets paid to do this for
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  Speaker 5: a living. But I did my contributions can hopefully be
• 3:50
  Speaker 5: maybe shedding some light on the players then were acquired.
• 3:54
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to pretend that I know them intimately.
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people do that. And and
• 4:01
  Speaker 5: you know the thing with prospects, people you know, especially fans,
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  Speaker 5: can get up in arms about you know, who was
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  Speaker 5: traded away and all these things. They don't really know
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  Speaker 5: these guys. They don't know what they do or what
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  Speaker 5: they can do, and on the flip side, get overly
• 4:14
  Speaker 5: hyped about. But I think the Angels got at least
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  Speaker 5: two very good players in return during this trade deadline,
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  Speaker 5: and that's really going to help for the future. They
• 4:23
  Speaker 5: also shed quite a bit of payroll. If you combine Soriano,
• 4:27
  Speaker 5: Adel and o'hapi, what they may have made next year
• 4:31
  Speaker 5: could have been in exus of fifteen million, So that
• 4:34
  Speaker 5: probably is good for somebody at least.
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one of my takeaways is that Arty Marino appears
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  Speaker 1: to have finally relinquished the reins.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think.
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: I was talking with Bill Shaking, my former Early Times colleague,
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  Speaker 1: and we were wondering, you know, would Perry Meanesian have
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: been able to do this? Would have would there have
• 4:55
  Speaker 1: been some excuse, Well, I wanted to do this, I.
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: Wanted to do that. Are Already wouldn't let me do this?
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  Speaker 2: Or that?
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like, Uh, it's a step in the
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  Speaker 1: right direction for Already to give Johnsaylock all the power
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  Speaker 1: and and the wherewithal and and and you know that
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  Speaker 1: he put it in his hands. And I think today
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  Speaker 1: was a very necessary step. Agree with Sam completely very
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: painful step. If you're an Angel fan and have tickets
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of the season, Uh, you know where
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: does this leave the Angels for the rest of this season?
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  Speaker 6: Guys?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it's probably not going to look real pretty. But
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  Speaker 1: as I know, you see it either way, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: They were probably even with this team, they might have
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: lost a hundred games.
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  Speaker 2: They certainly might have I think.
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  Speaker 5: Eleven straight losing seasons.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just part of the pain isn't it, Mark?
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  Speaker 1: I mean you you lived in Baltimore, uh for a
• 5:52
  Speaker 1: couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 5: I've been on a few lousy ball clubs the Diamondbacks,
• 5:59
  Speaker 5: we didn't win too many. The ools were good until
• 6:02
  Speaker 5: they weren't. And this is the business side of the
• 6:06
  Speaker 5: game and as necessary, and for the guys leaving, I'm
• 6:11
  Speaker 5: sure Soriano being a homegrown player, there's going to be
• 6:13
  Speaker 5: a lot of mixed reactions. In season trades are more
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  Speaker 5: difficult in my opinion than off season ones. For the
• 6:20
  Speaker 5: player to adjust brand new city. Your whole life's up
• 6:24
  Speaker 5: ended and you got to make it work. So that
• 6:27
  Speaker 5: is the risk too. For teams acquiring players that maybe
• 6:30
  Speaker 5: haven't been through the process before first timers, there is
• 6:35
  Speaker 5: an adjustment period. Can you count on immediate contributions. I
• 6:39
  Speaker 5: don't really know. It's up in the air. Well, I
• 6:41
  Speaker 5: don't know, because not always is the answer. Sometimes they hit,
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  Speaker 5: sometimes they take a little while.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like we said, they could have gotten they
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  Speaker 1: could have really did a full tear down if they
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: traded Debt Meers and zach Netto, who were a lot
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  Speaker 1: of speculations surrounding them. This past week, we did talk
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  Speaker 1: to Mo on a press on a zoom call today
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  Speaker 1: and I asked them specifically about Debtmer's and Netto and
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  Speaker 1: let's see what you had to say. Hey, Mo, how
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  Speaker 1: close did you come to trading debtmers and or Netto?
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: And what should we read into the fact that they
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  Speaker 1: weren't traded? I mean, are these two guys you feel
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: like you want to build around moving forward?
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  Speaker 2: You know? A couple thoughts on that.
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  Speaker 4: To begin with, when we approached the trading deadline, we
• 7:32
  Speaker 4: didn't have any vision of saying we had to move someone,
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  Speaker 4: especially when you're talking about players that had years of control.
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  Speaker 4: What we did approach the trading deadline with was that
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  Speaker 4: we're going to be open and listen to anyone that
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  Speaker 4: we thought made sense to us, and more importantly, if
• 7:50
  Speaker 4: we felt like there was a value in what we
• 7:53
  Speaker 4: were getting in return, that was something we would would pursue.
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  Speaker 4: I do think in the dept Meers Siano sort of equation,
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  Speaker 4: I think teams were not sure how to think about
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  Speaker 4: that in the sense of like maybe value one versus
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  Speaker 4: the other, and I think that kind of split the votes,
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  Speaker 4: if you will, to some degree. But ultimately we didn't
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  Speaker 4: feel comfortable with just moving someone to say we move them,
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  Speaker 4: and so it really was more of a valuable equation
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  Speaker 4: than simply just trying to move players.
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  Speaker 3: Today, how do you look at short Stop moving forward,
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: obviously acquiring our zone with having Zach still, what do
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  Speaker 3: you I mean? I know he's probably a year at
• 8:34
  Speaker 3: least a couple of years away, but how do you
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  Speaker 3: look at the future at that position.
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  Speaker 4: I look at it that we're in a very good position.
• 8:40
  Speaker 4: Obviously we have mister Netto for three more years. In
• 8:44
  Speaker 4: the meantime, we now have a young, talented prospect to
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  Speaker 4: your point on a timetable, I think is realistic to
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  Speaker 4: be in the big leagues in two years. So I
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  Speaker 4: think the timing of that is perfect. So yeah, the
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  Speaker 4: death we now have at a very high level of
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  Speaker 4: short stop, So that's exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Sam Ware, Do you feel like this leaves Neto? I
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: personally think, and I said this in our last show,
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  Speaker 1: I think they'd probably better off just sort of waiting
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  Speaker 1: till the winner and really putting together a good package
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  Speaker 1: for this kid if they do intend to trade him.
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  Speaker 1: But this short stop they got from Toronto is a
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  Speaker 1: year or two away, but not that far. He's a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good looking prospect. Do you think they're going to
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: look to really trade this guy this winter?
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  Speaker 3: I would think so, to be honest with you, I
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: mean it makes sense to me that that's you know,
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  Speaker 3: even in that answer, while it is a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of a vague answer, I do think he is kind
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: of saying, you know, we kind of look at you know,
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  Speaker 3: Namala as this guy that will take over for Netdo
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  Speaker 3: in a couple of years when he's ready. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that is what he said. So if I'm Zach Netto,
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: I'm probably looking at the writing on the wall. You know,
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: even these last couple of weeks, it seems like it's
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: been you know, getting to him, to some kid. We
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: talked about it on the last show, right, it's gotten
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: to him a little bit. So you know, I'd be
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: curious to kind of see how these next two months
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: go for him in terms of how he you know,
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: how he feels, how he looks right like they're playing
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: irrelevant baseball. How does that manifest itself in Zach Neto's
• 10:16
  Speaker 3: you know world will be interesting to watch. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're listening to an answer, you're reading
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  Speaker 3: the writing on the wall. Like if I'm Zach Netto.
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking my future in Anaheim is measured probably months
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: at this point, and if it is years, it's probably
• 10:29
  Speaker 3: not a lot of years.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: Mark.
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: Was there any disappointment that, at least as far as
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: you were concerned, that they didn't go all the way
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: and trade Detmer's and Netto as well? Or you think
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: these are two guys you'd like to have around in
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: terms of a you know, rebuild, however long that takes.
• 10:47
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm trying to be an analytst. I'm not a
• 10:50
  Speaker 5: fan of the club, so you know, reactions like this,
• 10:54
  Speaker 5: I just try to be neutral. I mean half joking,
• 10:56
  Speaker 5: but yeah, I don't have any uh, probably with the
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: decisions of those more capable than myself. Moe is although
• 11:06
  Speaker 5: from what I was reading with the Cardinals, they never
• 11:08
  Speaker 5: really had to do something like this or anywhere near
• 11:11
  Speaker 5: to the same extent, so he appears to be a
• 11:14
  Speaker 5: very competent negotiator. Hasn't always been the case here, I think,
• 11:19
  Speaker 5: although sometimes you know Zephyr John was a player acquired
• 11:23
  Speaker 5: via trade I believe for Garcia and now flipped for
• 11:26
  Speaker 5: uh some really good players, or at least one when
• 11:29
  Speaker 5: Balisteros with a big power bat the body, it's going
• 11:32
  Speaker 5: to look a little more like Alejandro Kirk, but he can.
• 11:36
  Speaker 5: He hits the out of the ball, so that's good.
• 11:42
  Speaker 5: It's a good thing. If you're Zach netto Mike, do
• 11:46
  Speaker 5: you think one or two like I guess you're maybe
• 11:50
  Speaker 5: he could view it as he's just so talented that,
• 11:53
  Speaker 5: you know, teams just couldn't meet that asking price. Do
• 11:55
  Speaker 5: you agree with more of that that side of it?
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: I think Mo and rightfully so put a high price
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: on a higher price on Netto and debts than he
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: did on at least in the pitching side than he
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: did on Sorriano, and I think he's right to do so.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: There is really no there's no need to trade him
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: right now. I felt like he would have had to
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: have gotten blown away with an offer to trade netto
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: And who knows.
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: As Sam says, let's see what happens over the next
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: few months. Maybe somebody gets to him. Maybe you know,
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: some of these issues that we've brought up in the
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: show can be ironed out and eliminated, and maybe he
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: comes back next year with the fresh start, maybe they
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: make some moves over the winner that I'm a little
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: more confident about the team in the short run, but
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with them holding on to zach Netto at
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: least for now. He were to take a quick break
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• 12:49
  Speaker 1: Mark tell us some more about these prospects the angels
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: getting in these deals.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo Territory with Mark Trumbo's Blum
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  Speaker 1: and Mike Dgvanawall. Before we start breaking down these individual trades,
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  Speaker 1: want to address one more big picture topic, and that
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: is Mike Trout.
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  Speaker 2: And we did ask MO about him today.
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  Speaker 1: Did you feel or entertain any serious inquiries about Mike Trout?
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: No, I did not.
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  Speaker 4: Was I just spoke with Mike a couple of weeks ago,
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: and as far as like putting him out there, we
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: decided that.
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  Speaker 2: Just was not going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Was that him saying like I just won't wave the
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: trade clause no matter what, or was that based on
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: the like a more holistic conversation on the future.
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: I think more holistic and I will share this with
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: you guys. I did invite him into the trade room
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: just to take a peek at it the other day,
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: and yeah, I thought it was a pretty interesting process.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, he truly loves the game of baseball,
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: and so he was just curious on what this whole,
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: I hope thing look like. And uh, I mean, obviously
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: he's the face of this franchise, and from where I stand,
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: my standpoint from being around him is like, we want
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: to get this better for him and for others, because
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: our fans want to see winning and that's the goal
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: of what we're trying to accomplish.
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  Speaker 5: You get credit for any of these trades.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: No, but if he takes credit for it, please let me.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, where where does this leave Mike Trout moving forward?
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: Sure doesn't a peer that he wants out or you know,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: he's made any kind of demands. A lot of speculation
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: about him as well, can't Mark, especially you you're a
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: teammate of Mike's. Can this team still build around Mike Trout?
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Can he still be a significant part of a team
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: that's it still looks like it's going to be a
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: year or two away from competing. Can he be a
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: big part of that still? I think you may have
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: answered part of the question. I sure it's going to
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: be towards the end of his contract. You're going to
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: need some of these guys to kind of really click,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: and you might have to go out and spend some
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: money and acquire some talent on the free agent market.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Is it a definite that this is going to be
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: a thing.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: Obviously not. I think it's maybe a little bit more
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: of a long shot. And only one team is going
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: to win the World Series every year, So I'd like
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: to see it for Mike, I think, I know, you know,
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: I have to assume he would like to see it.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: I don't pepper them with these types of questions. Does
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: he want to win? You know, all these people love
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: to hear all of those things. The assumption is absolutely yes,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: he wants to win. If you're playing pro sports and
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: you're into losing, I just don't. That's not a thing.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: That's that you know, nobody wants to do that. It's
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: part of the reality. But hopefully sooner than later. I
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: think we speculated, or at least my guess was twenty thirty,
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty nine, twenty thirty. So the math is, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's tough, but I hope so Sam.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Any thoughts on where Mike is moving forward.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I kind of go back and forth will in this one,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: because it's like, you know, if your Mike, do you
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: really want to sit around and you know this team's
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: going to just be in a tough spot. It's it's,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: you know, he's got to think more short term than
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I think others do. I mean, it's his career, it's
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what what kind of player
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: he will be in three years when this maybe all
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: looks a little bit different.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: And again, the other side of it is he's also
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: been here for a long time, and I think he
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: knows that just because of one good trade deadline or
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: you know, one positive step in the right direction, you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: like you you referenced earlier, are already kind of taking
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: a step back. Like I think that's I think that's
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: a lot to kind of assume right now. You know,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: this is still the Angels, right, you don't get to
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: this point without you know, I mean, they're they're they're
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: like the laughing stock of North American sports at this point.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: So I think that there's just so much that still
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: needs to happen that if you're Mike Trout, like, you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: do you really really really want to, you know, go
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: through your whole career like just nightmare after nightmare. But
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: at the same time, like if there is a hope, right,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: if there is a glimmer of a hope that this
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: could get better, Like, isn't it isn't that payoff gonna
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: be worth it? So I think that's maybe where he's thinking,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: if he's if he's really even considering this at all.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, like I think
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: that's you know, that's that that's the optimistic way of
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: looking at this. And and you know, like like Mark said,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: for his sake, right, you you hope that uh he
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: can be a part of that in some capacity, because
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: he certainly deserves it. The career he's put up is
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: worthy of of having some moments in those big, big
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: games that he just hasn't had yet.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's get into some of these trades,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: hopefully all of them, if you have time. The big
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: one Jose Soriano, who I believe had two more years
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of control, sent to the Toronto Blue Jays for shortstock
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: prospect our. June Namala, outfielder Eddie Micleddy Junior and right
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: handed pitcher Angel Rovero Mark I assume the stop. He
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: was the headliner of the day. What do we know
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: about him?
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: First generation Indian American. Yeah, I saw that he is
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: a very good baseball player. Drafted in the first round.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: You may have said that he's a shortstop and he's
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: going to stick there. To me, I see nothing to
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: say that he won't. He has the look, the athletic look,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: which I guess goes without saying, but not everyone in
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: baseball does. What I saw is a swing that projects
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: as a powerful swing that uses the whole field. I
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: was really impressed to see him use the whole field.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: I had read a report that talked about a big
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: uppercut that was not true in my opinion. If anything,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: he's a little steep, which may be part of the
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: issue with his numbers against the breaking ball are not elite. Well,
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: they're not very good right now, but this is a
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: young kid who is learning, and that's an adjustment. He
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: absolutely can make the swing comp I'm going tentatively to
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: say the good version of George Springer. Maybe not quite
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: as much power, but it's approaching that and from a
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: mechanical standpoint, visually that that's what I saw. Eddie Mikletty good.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Not great player, very well rounded. I did like his
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: swing from a mechanic standpoint, the left he has left
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: handed I think a depth piece at worst. Maybe he'll blossom.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: He's already twenty four years old, so without any major
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: league experience, and the last one on hell Rivero nineteen
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: years old gas coin flip. I don't know, nineteen years old,
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: young guy. Rookie ball got up to ninety seven. I
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: think he's undersized to five eleven and seventy two pounds,
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: so a body type. You know, guy's gonna have success,
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: but he's not a big hulking I like the return
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: for Yates as a big boy six six.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised they're able to get anything for Yates.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: How were they able to pull that off?
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: Guys, I mean under the hood analytics.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: It's not a big return.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: The Zephyr John deal to the Cubs, uh Bias Steros
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: came up on an earlier show as a guy maybe
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the Cub the Angels would want to target. Sounds like
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: more of a bat first catcher. But they the prospect
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: they got in the Cleveland deal sounds like a pretty
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: good defensive catcher. What are we getting in Moises by
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the stereos?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Mark?
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: And how about the other guy throwing into that trade,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: son of Mark McGuire, Mason McGuire, a right hander, another
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: local kid that should be pretty fun to have. Maybe
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: maybe we'll have the slugger around spring training every now
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and then. But what do you make of that deal?
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Mark, Well, Biasteros has a left handed power bat. I
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: know mo wanted more left handed pop and this guy's
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: got it. Advance contact skills, adaptable swing, and emerging power.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Those are sourced from elsewhere. But from what I've seen,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: he knows what he's doing with the bat in his hands.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: The body type, it's not going to scream, as I
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: said on Namala, This might be closer to the opposite.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Doesn't mean he's not a very good ballplayer. He's going
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: to get on base, and I think that they should
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: give him every chance to stick at catcher. I don't
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: know exactly. I guess it's the mobility that's probably up
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: for grabs behind the plate. But you know, he's a
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: young guy. He's twenty two years old, so there's a
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: lot to like about him. As far as Mason Maguire,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know as much. I know he's been up
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: to ninety nine miles an hour and he's got a
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: nice lineage. But you know, as far as the return
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: for Zephyr John on his own, I think this was
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: really good. What I'm more interested in with the Cubs,
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: they had a clear need and to go up. And
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: maybe Sam can weigh in on this. Any team that
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: wants to challenge the Dodgers, in my opinion and many others,
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: are going to need premium left handed pitching, and Demer's
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: made a lot of sense. I do wonder if there
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: was a bigger package discussed and a smaller package discussed
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: and it ended up being the smaller package. Because the
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Cubs have two very intriguing prospects. They're number one and
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Josiah Hartshorn and they're number three and oh and Ires
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: both well. Hartshorn is a outfielder first base and Ayers
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: is a catcher first base. Heartshorns from Orange Lutheran and Mashes,
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: So both of these guys could be potential And I
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: don't know, maybe Sam you can talk about I don't
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: know if Nolan Shaanawall exactly fits what Moe is looking
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: for in a first baseman either.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think with Shaana Well, do you mentioned that
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: there were some like there was some calls on him
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: and they didn't feel like they needed to move him.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: But I don't know exactly where he fits really on
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: any big league team in the sense not saying he's
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: not a big league player, but like I think it's
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: he's just an interesting kind of fit because he's a
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: first baseman and who doesn't have doesn't really offer power.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Now he's at a home run in quite a long time,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: So you know where where where does his value as
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: a big league you kind of stand. I mean, he's
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: a decent defensive player, he's got doesn't really have any speed.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I think he's, you know, contact guy who is very
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: good baseball instincts. So yeah, I don't know. I mean,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: I think he was someone I kind of thought would
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: be a dark horse to go, just because it seems
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: to me that Mozailak wants to kind of move on
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: from a lot of these, you know, the Perry era players.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think that means that Shaanna Well is
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: going to be a long term first baseman for the
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Angels at this point, but you know, him not being traded, uh,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: the Angel is not making it a priority to move him.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Suggests that at least there's a chance that he's he's
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: there long term, or that you know, they're at least
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: willing to give him that that look. But to me,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I think for Shaanawall to be a deffective big lead
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: player for a long time, he'll need to be like
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: a you know, closer to on the closer side to
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: four hundred on base. You know, he needs to be
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: as close to like an Luisa Rise as possible, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: he's just not quite there yet. He's had flashes a
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: really good July, but what is that, you know, where
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: does that kind of leave you as a you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: viable big league player over a longer period of time,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: And I don't know where that is for Shanwallah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: At least Biasteraurus gives them some power from the left side,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: which is a huge need for the Angels right now. Hey,
• 25:30
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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to Halo territory with Mark Trumbo, Sam Luman,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Mike Figivanna Well Angels did a straight up one for
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: one trade with Cleveland. Jo Adell to the Guardians for
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: catching prospect Jacob Cozart. For all you Halo fans with
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: tickets to jo Adell's Bobblehead night with the home run robberies,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: don't worry, They're still going to give them out. I
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: didn't look at the schedule. I think I don't know
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: if Cleveland's in town, but still a great night. I'm
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: sure that'll be a great Bobblehead. Coz Art seems like
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: a pretty good defensive catcher. Rave reviews Mark for his
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: some of his intangibles, game calling skills, framing, handling, pitching staffs.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: What do you like about this kid?
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Don't know much beyond what I did try and find
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: as much video as I could. I would agree with
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: the receiving and the blocking look good. The arm looked mediocre,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: and I wasn't in love with this current swing mechanics.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: Kind of the same thing I've talked about with guys
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: being He's got some of the things that I've talked
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: about with Logan though, the neflex, the heavy neflex and
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: it's kind of limiting some of his power output. Looks
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: like he has a very good eye in the batter's box.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: But I think it'd be good to maybe hear Sam's
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: thoughts on with Joeydell. The guardians are getting what they're
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: getting a player with I was actually kind of surprised.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: I believe it was your comment Sam on Joe that
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: the sprint speed cratered and some of the defensive tools
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: may have raided it even worse than I thought this year.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: The arm strength, I.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Mean less than the art. I mean, you just go
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: on like Baseball sivon. His arm strength is like in
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the bottom two percent of big leaguers. I believe in
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: his sprints, he doesn't steal bases anymore, right Like that
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: was that was a part of his game that I
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: always felt like was going to be really strong if
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: he figured out kind of the instincts element of it. It
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: always felt like his you know, instincts for stolen bases
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: were kind of the issue. Less so the speed. But
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: if you look now, I mean his speed's Prince speed
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: is still like above slightly above average, but it's it's
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: declined quite a bit from where it was, and he
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't really attempt them anymore. And you know, I don't
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: think he's you know, considered a supremely fast player necessarily
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: at least the play at least that in the way
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: that he maybe was to me, like you know, me
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Adele is as of right now. I mean he's basically
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: a replacement level player. I mean, that's what the numbers say. Uh,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you know, he's his on bas is around two eighty.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I think you know, his he can't really hit right
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: hand and pitching, and so I think if you're the Guardians,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I mean you probably look at him as and I
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: don't know exactly what they'll how they'll use him, but
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: I would think he's more of a platoon player, like
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: and he's really good against left handed pitching. I think that,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: you know, it is and beyond all, like just the
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: numbers and everything. I mean, joeid Dell is a good
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: addition to clubhouse. He's a good guy to have around.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I think he's you know, and I think, you know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: it's fair to acknowledge that his time in Anaheim was
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: up and down. But and you know, this is kind
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: of a weird end to an error here, but you know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: he was. He was someone that I think put in
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: every every once of effort he had into being a
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: really good big leaguer. I think we saw flashes of that. Uh,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: there's a reason he's getting that bobblehead at the end
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: of the year. There's a reason, you know, he had
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: thirty seven home runs U last season. He put in
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of work. It's just I think, you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: right now, he's not necessarily a really good big league player,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: and that's probably why the return is, you know, kind
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: of one minor leaguer who may or may not pan out,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: but it's it's tough. You know, it's a tough game,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: and I think he kind of embodied the fact that,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: you know, you can have those great moments, but he
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: can also really really struggle to do that consistently. And
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I think that was a hard thing for him. And
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: hopefully he gets that opportunity in Cleveland is able to
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: at the very least be a strong platoton player there.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I was surprised how extreme his splits became this year.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Mark.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't look up the exact numbers, but I don't
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: remember him struggling as much against righty says he has
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: this year is that a cyclical thing with a guy
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: like Joe, Or is there something maybe you saw on
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: a swing or approach that really hinted him against Righty's
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: Thanks for giving me any time to prep for that question.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: He's not a layup. Joe's whole game this year has
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: been an intriguing at the plate. I feel like he's
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: he's a better all around hitter for most of the year. Recently,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: you know, some of those line drive hits weren't happening
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: with as much uh, you know, frequency, maybe tapping in
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: more to the power. I think, as you know, some
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: of his power numbers are going to be the best
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: on the Guardians. They really don't hit for much pop,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: and hopefully he you know this, this is a guy
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: that could go there and really contribute to a team
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: that's going places whereas here maybe not so much. And
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: he's kind of you know, rush to the major leagues.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: It's well documented, and you talk about the you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: ability to steal bases. It's best learned down below, not
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: at the big league level. So if you never get
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: the confidence to do it when the pressure is a
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: little lower, you're probably not going to get it when
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: the guys can really catch and throw up here, you know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: and he's unfortunately, he's a very easy player to root for.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I should say that great attitude filled some of the
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: leadership void on the flip side. Probably also a non
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: tender candidate at least an average chance of that over
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: the winner, you know, maybe a salary of upwards of
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: eight million, you know, with a raise per the arbitration process,
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: making five this year. So the Guardians will figure that out.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: And I wish Show the best because he did put
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: it in his best effort, always ran hard, you know,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: and hopefully he takes off over there and becomes a
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: fixture for them.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree that play made for his third home
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: run robbery will be etched in the minds of Angel
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: fans forever. My goodness, that is just risking life and
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: limb to do what he did that night. The final
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: two trades, I guess you'd classify them as minor Brent Suitor,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: the lefty reliever Veteran went to Atlanta for third baseman
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Nacho Alvarez, and as Mark mentioned earlier, Kirby Yates the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh for a right hander named Kyle Robinson. Mark, anything
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: in the profiles of these two guys that jumped out
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: at you.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Not Schoe Alvarez Junior. I think another local guy I
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: was highly rated for the Braves prospect. I think he's
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: dealt with a number of injuries and didn't really click
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: when he did get a look in the big leagues.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: He's a guy that I'll have to wait and see
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: on It looks like the defenses maybe outpacing the bat.
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: I didn't see tremendous bat speed and and the clips
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: I did see, but you know, I'm not I don't
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: have a wealth of stuff to go off of them,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: kind of you know, scratching a clawing for what I can.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: As far as the Yates return, Kyle Robinson, you know
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: I said earlier he's a big boy. Hopefully he throws gas.
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: I know he does throw, you know, nineties, but who doesn't.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: And some command issues. But as far as Kirby's value, uh,
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: you know, wasn't very high. So that's that's not unexpected
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: what I am interested in. Uh. I know we can
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: get back to this, but nice attempt by Francis Romero.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: A couple uh type machine type tweets and lots of
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: interest in Jorge. Uh, I gotta I gotta Pinocchio on
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: that one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if I think if there was an
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: interest in oris Celia would have been it would have
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: been taken up on by the Angels, who I can't
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: imagine will have him on the roster for the rest
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: of the season.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I do want to close the show with a little
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: conversation about the interim general manager. Now, I didn't clip
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of any of the video from today, but we did
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: ask him if this, uh, if he's feeling more confident
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: or any feelings more positive about maybe staying here long term.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Sam, I just got the feeling when
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you make the moves like you did today, you know
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: he's not just going to cut and run. I think
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: he's committing himself to this organization when you have a
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: daylight today, he sure sounded like he's very much open
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: to staying whether I think that's still gonna include hiring
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: a general manager. So maybe the Angels will end up
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: with a structure like the Dodgers, with the president of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Baseball option a general manager. From what you heard today, Sam,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: do you think Moe was here to stay?
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I mean I think he I certainly think he wants that.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: It's a I imagine that, you know, Like, I think
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: he's being cautious because that's probably has still a contract
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: that is he set to expire, probably hasn't been agreed to.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm like, I think when he says
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: we got to sit down with Molly and Artie, that's
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: that's reflective of, you know, kind of dotting the eyes
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: and crossing the t's on figuring that out and also
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: probably making sure it is something he wants. I mean,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: it's only been here six weeks, and I think that,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: you know, there's still some some runway to maybe making
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: a decision like that, But I mean, clearly it seems
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: to me that he wants to do it. I think
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: the allure of being the savior of this team is
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: a hard thing to pass up, especially when you consider
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: the way things maybe ended for him in Saint Louis,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: where it was a little bit unceremonious, and you know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: even the Cardinals kind of figured things out right, you know,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: to some extent, right after he left. So you know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: this is a legacy, this is a legacy thing. To
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: fix the Angels would be what you remember it for
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: if you do it. And I can't imagine, you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: when you still have that that desire in your life
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: to work and to be successful, that like if you
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: have that chance, I mean, those does don't come around
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: very often. And so you know, he's done the first
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: step here of kind of you know, at least, you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: changing the dynamic of ownership in the front office in
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: a way that we haven't seen here in a long time.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: And I think there are maybe some more steps to
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: be taken, So I clearly think he wants that. Also,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: one small correction. Joey Dell's arm value is what's rated
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: at the bottom two percent style. It's his arm strength
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: is still somewhat high. So it's one to make sure
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I correct to that because interesting. Yeah, so it's he's
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: maybe accuracy elements of it are in as good but
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: or decision making. But yes, it's just a small correction.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: Right, Thank you, Mike. I had one question for you
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: before we go. It looked like a fairly modest crowd
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: for them is on Sundays. Oh man, could you hear
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: that from work?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it wasn't as much as he did
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: the previous weekend. Yeah, I got we'd be remiss to
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: not mention Walbert Urania's six shutout of innings against the
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Brewers Sunday. Wow, that was a heck of a game.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Miz was popping it he I think he threw seventeen
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour pitches in the first few innings,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: but I think the heat certainly drained him at least
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: if a couple ticks off that radar gun. He really
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: struggled with the mound, and Sam and I actually both
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: talked to him after the game. As you know, the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: mis his extensions probably right up there with Tyler Glass.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Now I didn't look it up, and I'm assuming it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: one of the longest crazy extensions. So yeah, his landing
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: spot is further down the mound than probably anybody who's
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: thrown off that mound this year. So by the third inning,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I believe he dug a pretty deep hole and they
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: had to have the ground screw come out twice fill it,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: pack it down, and he was still having problems with it.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: And as I think Sam ended up writing a story
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: off it, that's a huge injury concern. When you're throwing
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: that hard and your your torque and you're lower, you're
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: getting that much of your lower body into your pitches.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: So that was a bit of an interesting day. Yeah,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the crowd was a little disappointing. I'm going to attribute
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to the to the heat. I don't know, Sam to
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the tarpsof guys takes Sunday off. I hadn't, I hadn't
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: been out there.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Maybe, you know, day games are usually a bit of
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: a different crowd, so especially in that he did especially,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think, you know, I don't blame people
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: for not going Angels games. I mean, at this point,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: why would you. I mean, I guess it's to see
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Jacob Mizerawski, but that would be the reason to go yesterday.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: But you know, I don't. I don't know if if
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: you know he's not he's if you really cared about baseball.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I think he's kind of a superstar name at this point,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: but he's still growing into that. Uh you know, it's
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: not like the biggest his name is not yet the
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: biggest like maybe ticket draw that you'll you'll see in baseball,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: even though he might be the best pitcher out there.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and boy, Trek scuobl would have been a nice
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: addition of their rotation. Are the Dodgers running baseball I
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: think the Tigers can take a little credit for contributing
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the Dodgers running baseball this week. I don't know why
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: they felt like they had to make that trade. It
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: was Saturday, right Saturday night. I mean, they had a
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: full day and a half for the deadline, you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: play that offer against another offer.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are more than one other, you know,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are more than the Brewers and the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Dodgers in the mix, you know. I they got a
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: good player and hope for sure, But the other two
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not sold on. I just think even though he's
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: a rental, my goodness, he's the best pitcher in baseball.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: He increases your chances of winning World Series for the
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: team that gets them by a considerable amount. And as
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Bill Shakan wrote a really good column on this in
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: The Times this morning, it's like the Brewers are. They
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: are a model organization. They have done everything right. Their
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: organization is the best, their farm system the best in baseball.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: They do it on you know, in the smallest market
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in the country, with a tiny payroll. When are you
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: going to go all in? When are you going to
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: really try to win the World Series? To me, this
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: was it. Schooble was the perfect fit for them. You know,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: imagine going into a five game series with those two
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: beasts and have to beat them, and they still have
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to score runs. They scored one run in each game
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: in the NLCS against the Dodgers last year. I just
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: thought this was the year to do it. I'm no
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Brewer fan, I'm no closet Brewer fan. I just felt
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: like it would have been really good, cool for baseball
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: for the Brewers to get schoolball and not the Dodgers,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: because you know, and imagine, you know, good luck Dave
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Roberts telling show, Hey and Glass now and Rokie again,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you're not going to be part of the playoff rotation,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: but boy are they running baseball? I don't think so.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: It's good to have a villain. But if they don't
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: win their third straight World Series is going to be
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: a massive upset or disappointment. All Right, We're going to
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: close the show with that. Hey, thanks for joining us,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Mark Trumblin, Sam Blumber is always thanks for watching, Thanks
• 40:47
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• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you next time on Halo Territory