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Wake Forest 38, Purdue 36 (2OT): Reaction with Jake Dunn (The Purdue Report, 3.38) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You are listening to the Purdue Report with Jake Dunn, and it's only on the Central Indian Sports Report.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Today, Jake and I are going to be talking about the double overtime loss to Wake Forest and the trip to UCLA and probably some other stuff, but mostly just that ugly ugly loss.
• 0:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome, Boilermaker fans, I'm Greg, that's Jake.
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to get right to it because I've been waiting two days.
• 0:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I want to say first, there's a lot of good stuff to talk about that we're going to talk about in the second part of this podcast.
• 0:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: But we got to start with this loss because I can't believe they lost by.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: having no balls.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe they lost by having no courage when you're on this losing streak against power for schools and you're talking about how big this game was and then you lose by being conservative and really conservative multiple times.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jake, the sequence at the end of the first half, not going for two.
• 1:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the first overtime, you're two yards away from the win.
• 1:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to take that, playing so conservatively on fourth and 15 and just giving the game away because you have no feel for what this needs and it was with all the positive signs including the fact that they almost beat a team that's better than they are.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: a fairly well-coached game.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought the second half was fairly well-coached, except for those things, just playing it way too conservative and it just makes me feel like, maybe this guy's not a head coach material.
• 1:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a very disappointing loss there in double overtime.
• 2:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was there in person, the energy, that was in the stadium, what was energy that,
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've only been doing handful of games over the past few years, so I can't say I've been there for every game, but the amount of energy that I felt was a level that I have not felt since Jeff Brown was that coach of Purdue and dear point is now makes the 22nd straight game that Purdue has lost against a power for
• 2:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: in that drought here against Wake Forest, a pretty good team coming off at nine Wednesdays.
• 2:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was in the stands, you know, yelling for the coaching staff to go for on to and go and try to be a little more aggressive and I was certainly not alone in that in that regard.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like I don't understand how they didn't I don't understand how they didn't go for two.
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: You have two yards to win a game.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: You go.
• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And
• 3:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: That to me, Jake, and this might just be me, a side of a good coach, one of the number one signs is, if you need a play, he's got one in his pocket, and he clearly didn't have that play, because they went for two and double over time, and it was just a awful play.
• 3:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it was, and we'll get into the bright sides, you know, here in a little bit.
• 3:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of them.
• 3:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was nice to not have a blowout,
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: been so accustomed to being blown out in your games where they're clearly out man and outclassed, but in this game, we read, they rallied in a four silver time.
• 3:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: They scored touchdowns and both over time periods and were one stop away from winning this game.
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: It really had a lot of momentum for this season.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Blossom still lost, but it feels a lot different than the losses that we've been accustomed to over the past few years.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is,
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, there's evidence that Purdue can compete with New East Power 4 opponents, but there's also evidence that Purdue and the coaching staff still haven't learned how to close out games.
• 4:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's obviously going to need fix.
• 4:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I hope this goes a long way in getting that fix for the staff.
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, so settling for vehicles at the end of each half just killed him.
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, that final defensive sequence, I think, is something that we're going to look back on here for years to come.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about this game being not only a season but a program to find a win.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: If Purdue was able to pull off the win, so this sort of finding moment here on defense, Wake Forest was back into a corner, fourth and 15 in the second over time.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: If Purdue, it stopped the game ends in Purdue wins, 36, 30.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a very controversial play in the stadium after the ref pulled the receiver short when we said done a bounds.
• 4:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: The fireworks went off.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Purdue was rushing the field.
• 5:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: The obviously I had to put him back on the sideline.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: And after a long review, it finally was overturned.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: The call was that the runner, where he's such an abounds, the ball at our across the two yard line.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you got the first down and after that call, you could just feel the energy just leave.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: the stadium.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: The sound guy was playing so long starting to get the crowd hyped up again and the players hyped up again.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now the train horn was blaring even then like
• 5:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: kind of felt the understanding that WakeForce was about to score and win the game.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because it happens when you go up a fourth and 15.
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's the combination of the two things.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's unfortunate that they called the game over and that you had to come back out.
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the things I really dislike about the whole replay thing.
• 5:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But also they gave up a fourth and 15.
• 5:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: and Kevin Cain made a comment afterwards and basically acknowledge that Peru is too passive in that situation and you think you know oh yeah yeah and you know allowed some some some free access there and needed to do a better job with coverage and alignment.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you Kevin Cain is learned a lesson year for this game, Josh Hinton, the offensive of the ball, the end two conservatives learned a lesson and I hope
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Purdue just can't afford to have mistakes like that against good opponents.
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: The rest of schedule is going to be opponents that are very similar to Waker or better.
• 6:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Purdue can't can afford to give up plays like that.
• 6:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the goal should be to make these offenses or every inch that they can.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Geolope is to throw the whole game really kind of exposed when it produce biggest defensive weaknesses.
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Elijah Owens to be some job of this in the first game.
• 6:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Joe Lopez finished with 59 rushing yards and two touchdowns on 13 carries and ultimately he had the two point conversion after like four sworn touchdown.
• 7:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had the two point conversion that hopefully won the game.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Personally, I felt like you could see you could see that call coming from my way that they were going to try to turn around up the middle with him and ultimately what they did and and I like forcing it up on the game, but this is a certain to become a familiar concern with
• 7:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: find some have on the way to get that figure out and it's a concern that I feel like a lot of people have had about the line-backer room not being fast enough not being athletic enough not being deep enough to be able to to compete against guys like geolopens also a Charles Correa and Jojo Hayden I feel like it kind of falls off a cliff there in terms of talent and something that I hope for you can get a dress next season especially after you lose Charles Correa this year.
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: You look at the schedule and you go, hey, Joe Lopez, we almost beat one of the best quarterback, but he's probably an average big 10 quarterback, right?
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be seeing those guys every week.
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pretty much.
• 8:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Starting on Saturday, one of the best quarterbacks in the country.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Peru made some adjustments later in the game.
• 8:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: The defense felt improved in the second half.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how much of that was Lopez not being 100% and how much of that was Purdue adjustments, but credit to the defense because they had a really good second half.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: You see, dude.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, we're going to talk about the positives.
• 8:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I promise coming up.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 8:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot again.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of those positives being being the offensive and what we had in these years second, but the offense, they showed resilience, but just not enough consistency.
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, throughout the game, but I think we both agree that this game comes down to the defense given up too much and just to be able to serve the play calling.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jake and I will be back later this week with our Purdue UCLA preview.
• 9:09
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• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of which, Jake positive number one, and it's a easy one.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: A player's two games into his Purdue career and has already become one of my all-time favorites.
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: If I may ease your boy, is the real deal.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is the guy that can give the ball 25, 30 times a game, and be productive as long as the offense of why I can block the guys in front of him.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.
• 9:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's really becoming kind of the identity of the offense.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: He carried the ball 27 times for 117 yards.
• 9:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: had three touchdowns, and he even had six receptions for 42 yards, and even when the blocking wasn't perfect, he said, a physical guy, very agile, and he was able to get a tackles or make people miss that really gave a physical presence that it desperately needed in this game, and we'll desperately need throughout the season.
• 10:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Coach Odom is always praise,
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: running ability, but also pass protection, route running that for in character, we would test big volumes to type of player that that he is.
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So he's becoming more than just a productive running back, becoming a player that peruse, especially when it needs something bigger, something good to happen.
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we gotta get a find some ways to be a little bit more.
• 10:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: consistent but the other aspects of the game so it's not just always lying on on each employee.
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: He kind of built around him rather than just simply drinking him.
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he was great.
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ryan Brown obviously wasn't perfect, but he was one of the reasons that Purdue was very accurate.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very accurate for the second straight game through so many passes right on target.
• 11:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Jake, the other positive I was going to point out is five really good targets that looks like.
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I like this receiving core.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they are much improved from last year and Ryan Brown through two games.
• 11:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's making much safer decisions, taking what the defense is giving him and really avoiding the turnovers that hurt him last year through two games, yes, 646 passing yards.
• 11:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: four touchdowns and zero and our sections.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: That pretty large improvement from last year, from the version of Ryan Brownlee, saw last year, so I guess the next step of his proving his game is if he can still be a little bit more aggressive and make those big plays without kind of reverting to those careless decisions that we saw last year from a touchdown, over time touchdown, that I believe extended the game.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: to now and more set showed that, you know, he can make those clutch throws under pressure and the failed two point conversion showed that sometimes the offense simply doesn't execute it may not be effective.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think this loss certainly is not on Ryan Brown and he's been a big part of how this offense is looked, you know, pretty solid so far this year.
• 12:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a good offense.
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you what again.
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: that opening drive and I know all these plays are scripted and opening drive, but that opening drive and producing more straight down the field and I felt very good about that.
• 12:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I felt a game.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: When that happened, midway came down and had their own great drive and scored again.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So as a guy, this game is going to be a shootout and Purdue did cover the spread.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: The spread was favored by three, so Purdue did cover the spread there by half a
• 12:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: We were right with our predictions, I think, for the most part with, you know, wake winning and the over one point.
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jake, I thought I was going to get it exactly out.
• 13:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: My final score is 30 to 24.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You were pretty close.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of, I don't know, time of pause.
• 13:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm see if we're going back to kind of the offense in general.
• 13:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's been pretty solid so far.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're leaving too many points out there on the field with drives that are stalling and scoring territory.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: and make forest.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'd rather get points than not get points.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we got to be able to score a little bit better.
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And one's at the end of each half.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're brutal, man.
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Brutal.
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So a cobo etabaria, Luzano, true freshman, Silicon Pretty good.
• 13:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Mr. 49 yarder.
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: The distance was was a great.
• 13:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just pull a little bit left, looks really good and I'm excited for him to hopefully be around for, I guess, now five years in college, but he's looking pretty good.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: His miss, yes, it probably mattered a little bit, but I don't think he was really the problem here.
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, you know, the offensive is pretty solid.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: White receiver room is great.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Fomin, he should always great.
• 14:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: I saw a little bit of Jerk Gibson in this game, so I think that room is really deep.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: defense and play calling is because you're really kind of what did pretty went here.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, I thought the past defense was really good in the in the second half.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a positive that they made some adjustments.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, very good chance that's the fact that Geo Lopez was limited.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: You could definitely see a difference in him.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seemed when he was injured that it kind of took the energy out of the entire offense for Wake Forest.
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, I think that's I do think that's a good way for us team.
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a team that's going to challenge in the ACC second third fourth place.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to beat Miami on Friday, but they could win eight, nine games again, and it's a shame that Purdue didn't get that win.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it is.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when Purdue was driving, I forget if it was towards the end of regulation or an over time, I think it's maybe towards the end of regulation.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: asked and for it was spread in the ball out, you know, throwing it and they went for a run.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I kind of gave a little bit of a break there defensively, can I already had a wake on their heels, get run the ball, don't get very many yards and get wiggled of a break there.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And also, there was, you know, there was a time where, again, I can't refless his regulation over time, I think it was over time, but, um,
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: There was a moment where the crowd was super routy.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think Purdue had some momentum.
• 15:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: They may have just stacked fuel low pans or stopped the running back behind the line of scrimmage.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And crowd was super routy.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Purdue actually ended up calling a defensive time out and energy kind of just left the stadium.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure there's probably a reason for the time out, but it just kind of seemed like, hey, wait didn't really seem like they knew what was going on.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're having to trouble communicating and kind of be able to melt there with the time out, but I'm sure there was probably something wrong with the defensive time out was needed, but there's what Leonard and Jane Ross hate to say to the stadium, it wasn't completely full, but it was still, I'd say probably about 9% full.
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that Purdue can get this program back to, or every game is going to look like that, and be mainly Purdue fans.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know the Notre Dame
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, hopefully the Purdue can get uh back to being a program where every game is either sold out or 8% full and full of a black and gold.
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no question.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And another positive I want to point out.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Wake did finish with 186 rushing yards and that's too many.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of those came on low pez scrambles and one of was an end around by a Dickman that went for 44 yards.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, it's a pretty good day against a running game that looked incredible against accurate.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the average 10 yards a carry or something and do slorns and tie Clark are both good running backs and they held them to 80 total yards combined.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, for what I expected, especially in Korea, I was good, and I thought the defensive backfield is tackled well, and Don Saunders is a good win.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think a lot of positives coming out of this game.
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: This team, I don't believe, was going to go winless the rest of the year.
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know the loss really stings, but I hope that
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... this can motivate the team to be better a moment coaching staff to be better make better decisions and i hope that they can have it you know about chip on their shoulder here the rest of the season i know mr. Clark was out in the secondary i'm sure he would have helped a little bit uh... and then uh... rock brownfield the true freshman uh... starting offensive lineman that he got hurt during the game as well uh... he got carted back to the locker room but i think he put it up in
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, right, I've not heard an injury update on him, but we hope to have him back for UCLA, but we'd love to have both of them back for UCLA, certainly going to need them.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully, they can say healthy and be alright and be prepared here for the big 10 season.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, Jeremy Lewis, a sack and a half, Purdue had six tackles for loss, which is
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: a good number and Lewis was in on three of them, Curt Neill had a nice game as well, so some really positive signs.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: If this is the baseline for Purdue, if they can play this well, rest season, the thing that's a pretty good baseline, there's certainly where sometimes where we get Purdue in the game by their penalties, like there was a face match.
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Purdue was third in 15 or something, and I think we got to stop, but there's a face mask
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was the end of regulation or an overtime week had two straight drops to a receiver and that really gave pretty a lot of momentum.
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, like, certainly gave Purdue opportunities to win per year, just couldn't capitalize and couldn't close, but I think this team will certainly be better here in the rest of season.
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I have to think and play like that.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they can catch one team at least on a bad day and then come out with a win.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, Jake, a little bonus time on the IU report this week.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be assessing the big tin.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: for obvious reasons on the IU report and not the Purdue report.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I want to get your assessment through a couple of weeks what you're thinking.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking I U looks like the obvious best team.
• 19:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that from preseason.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were going to be the best team.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they'll probably lose a game somewhere along the line, probably Ohio State.
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a little more talent than they do, but I don't think Ryan Day is good enough.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: What else are you looking at that you're seeing in the Big Ten Landscape through a couple of weeks?
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it looks like the best team in the conference.
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oregon and a big loss against Oklahoma State.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: You, I believe, had the longest losing streak in the conference for conference games.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I think since this was not a conference game, I think they still hold that streak.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Pruise lost so many games for the conference, and like Oklahoma says, like one more loss than them.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so I've got the exact streak, but if that.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: If this win eighth Oregon eliminates that Purdue has like the longest losing streets, you know, and I don't know, I think so hopefully that'll that'll be changed this year.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Michigan, I hate the Michigan as two and it'll they they should be oh and two I hate eight that they are two and no Iowa is look pretty good to the classic Iowa team.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Penn State is look pretty good for the most part.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but yeah, Ohio State's lost to Texas is pretty shocking, you know, they were up 20 points or whatever and uh, you know, fourth quarter or whatever was and uh, Texas coming, you know, came in and I've come back and beat them, but uh, yeah, if you talk, if you ask me which team I'd take to go the farthest in the end, I'd still take Ohio State over Texas.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, June 10 is is very, very good.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I think that's probably a pretty safe bet there with them.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think USC's defense is good enough.
• 21:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Iowa's offense is probably good enough.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: It looks like to me it's Indiana and Ohio State, right?
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, Washington.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know Peru is playing them here at about a month ago.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Washington, Washington looks pretty good.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know they're receiving a lot of votes to be ranked.
• 22:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Minnesota got beat pretty bad by Mississippi State, which I think they're pretty decent this year.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're Mississippi State's receiving votes to be ranked.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was a bit, they kind of chose that game, but yeah, the big 10, probably a little bit a little bit of a compared to last year, a little bit of a down year, at least, has so far started the season, but I still think they have two of the best teams in Indiana, in Ohio State, a very very top-heavy conference, and it may seem like this year.
• 22:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and still, I've
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think one or two weeks is probably not a big enough picture and we're probably going to see in the end that Michigan's pretty good, Washington's pretty good, Oregon's going to maybe even be a playoff team again, landing usually gets him going that direction.
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: You get a lot of is the conference up as the conference down is a better than the SEC is worse than the SEC and I think that's an awful lot of judgment for two weeks.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll save it for the end of the year.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And if a big 10 team wins the championship again then all the talk about the regular season is not going to matter.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm a little bit biased but I still give the big 10 best chance to win the national championship.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you had me take one team and I had to bet one team would be IU unfortunately.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just think segmenties that good, which is another reason why.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: The way Purdue lost that game is even worse.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because you know that wouldn't happen.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: to IU.
• 24:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: He would have not have been served at going into this place.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jeff Brom would have been aggressive and I, you know, gone for two or you know, gone right.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, taking more shots.
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 24:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe maybe it was just this one time we've seen it before.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: to a lesser degree, that was by far the worst end game coaching we've seen from him, although there's another one last year, but that was less coaching and more mistakes on the field, but man, that was discouraging with the lack of balls just the lack of guts, just the
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like one thing that we were talking about during the game, Greg is at the end of the first half.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, pretty went into locker room with timeout.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: We feel like that kind of manage a little bit better.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: In the particular field goal where you saw that timeout could have at the very least lined up to actually
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I said at the end of the second half, I said they said don't forget to feel good, but at least it wasn't as great as the end of the first half.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: They took a time out with them in two.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: and settle for a few goals.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not good, not good.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can understand one to take points and everything, especially in any game that you're not, maybe not the more talented team, but you're home.
• 25:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: We talk about the crazy losing streak on and on over the past couple of years.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's got to come to an end and it's not going to come to an end if you're you know, Colin placed to not lose rather than Colin placed to win the game.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I'm disappointed there, but Josh and Tim said post game that if he could do it all over, he'd take another shot to the end and go to the end zone there at the end of.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: regulation, so you'll be in a little bit more conservative than me, heard Kevin Kane's comments.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's acknowledging it's a good first step.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to even do that.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we heard Kevin Kane's comments about not being as conservative on defense on that 4th and 15.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you'll even learn and you'll put that brick and you'd better from the skate.
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