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Outlaws with TS Madison: Roz Hernandez: Spirit Stick · Spooky Season Podcasts 🎃

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: Honey, is it on? Is it on? Is this thing recorded? Child,
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  Speaker 1: this is your girl T.S.
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  Speaker 2: Master coming to you loud, live, and always and forever
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  Speaker 2: in color from the Outlaws podcast with none other than me.
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: Who in the fuck else is going to be than me? Now, today,
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: I have a very special guest who we, when we
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: were outside in the green room, We were gossiping just
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: Because sometimes girls gossip before they get in and they
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: start gossiping with you bitches. So we were gossiping just
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: a tad, just a little bit. And my producer came
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: in here and was like trying to run her resume
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I know her. I've been on her show.
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: You know, and.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: I will say that she is like a little bit
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: of the reason why I started unlearning all that Christianity
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: shit and started listening to ghosts.
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: Wait, don't put that on me now. I'm not taking
• 1:03
  Speaker 3: responsibility for you not being Christian anymore.
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  Speaker 1: It's all your fault, girl. It's all your fault. I
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  Speaker 1: don't have to.
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  Speaker 3: Roz.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: So it's Roz.
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  Speaker 3: Roz Hernandez.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: Roz Hernandez.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just Roz. Roz.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together for my guest, Ms.
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: Roz Hernandez. For me, it's just Roz.
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  Speaker 3: Ah! This is, like, seriously, like, everyone at home, I
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: am you right now. Like, I am such a fan,
• 1:29
  Speaker 3: and I get to be here in person.
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  Speaker 1: But this ain't our first time, Rob.
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: This is, like, so crazy. No, I've never met you
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  Speaker 3: in person.
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: In person, no, not in person.
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  Speaker 3: No, I haven't. And yesterday... I've had a crazy week.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, tell me. Just tell me about your week.
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  Speaker 3: So, my life is a lot of explaining who the
• 1:46
  Speaker 3: fuck I am.
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  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 3: Okay? Because I... It's kind of become my catchphrase, Rosalina
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  Speaker 3: should be more famous, because I'm often in places where
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  Speaker 3: it's a bunch of famous people, and people are like,
• 1:59
  Speaker 3: who the fuck is that? And it's like, okay, well,
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: I swear I paid my dues, I belong here, or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm always trying to get the word out about
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  Speaker 3: who I am. It's been kind of hard to just like,
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: you know, Tell people about me. I just want people
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  Speaker 3: to learn about me, which is why this is such
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  Speaker 3: a major thing for me. Thank you for letting me
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  Speaker 3: do this.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 3: But yesterday, so, okay, two days ago, I get a
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  Speaker 3: text that was like, hey, can you fill in for
• 2:27
  Speaker 3: Katya on The Bald and the Beautiful with Trixie? I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh my God, that's huge for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So then I went and did that yesterday. And then
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: I got a text right after that was like, hey,
• 2:39
  Speaker 3: can you come do T.S. Madison's Outlaws? Yes. And I'm like,
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: are you kidding? So I texted my friend, Gwyneth, who
• 2:47
  Speaker 3: came with me today. I said, bitch, clear your calendar
• 2:50
  Speaker 3: tomorrow because we are so obsessed with you. We have
• 2:53
  Speaker 3: been sending clips of you for years. We quote you
• 2:56
  Speaker 3: all the time. Like, we love you so much. This
• 3:00
  Speaker 3: is just major to me. I am so inspired by you.
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  Speaker 3: I nonstop just... amazed by what you achieve in life.
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  Speaker 2: Roz, don't make me cry. Y'all make me feel so
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  Speaker 2: motherfucking special, child.
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  Speaker 3: You are so special. You are very important to me.
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  Speaker 3: And this is, like, this is just major. I can't
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  Speaker 3: believe I get to sit here with you. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to embarrass you.
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  Speaker 2: No, y'all be making me feel, be blushing on the inside, girl.
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  Speaker 2: All mushy and gushy.
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: But I receive it all. Oh, mushy and gushy.
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  Speaker 3: Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Roz, listen to.
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  Speaker 2: Me, right?
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: We... We... We did... your.
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: Podcast yeah it was over zoom it was like before
• 3:39
  Speaker 3: it must have been like pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: Or yeah it was the pandemic it.
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: Might have been a pandemic here's why it was so
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  Speaker 3: iconic okay so my podcast ghosted is i talked to
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  Speaker 3: celebrities queer people just people i like about ghosts and
• 3:53
  Speaker 3: aliens and psychics, whatever. And when we had you on
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: since you were in Georgia, you.
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: I was talking about my show, the T.S. Masson experience. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was over Zoom and... You forgot, I think, or something.
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  Speaker 3: And you were like, oh shit, I'm showering right now.
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  Speaker 3: I can't be in. So then you joined me on Zoom,
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  Speaker 3: which there's no video. No one can see the video.
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  Speaker 3: But you were in a towel and you were, you know,
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  Speaker 3: doing your beauty regimen while telling me ghost stories. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, this is... The best day of my life.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sitting here with TS Madison as she's like lathering
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  Speaker 3: herself and telling me about the spirits in her house.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, I want this always. I wish people
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  Speaker 3: could have seen it. It was so good.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, you are so right. I am right. Because they
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  Speaker 1: gave me the wrong... Because you live in LA. Yes. Girl,
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  Speaker 1: they gave me the wrong fucking time.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, listen. It happens.
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  Speaker 3: They gave me the right time. But the fact that
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  Speaker 3: you still did it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. That is... No, Ms. Roz, listen.
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  Speaker 2: They gave me the right time. I'm thinking it is EST.
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: But it's PST.
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  Speaker 3: I know that happens to me all the time.
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  Speaker 1: And I got out of there with my DIC....
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  Speaker 2: And got to wrap the towel around me and put my...
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: I was putting on my butters, lotions, creams, herbs, wig, lipstick,
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  Speaker 2: and was.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't see... There was no D.I.C.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, because I.
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't see that.
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  Speaker 1: That was one of the hidden ghosts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that, but... And I was... I have
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  Speaker 3: seen that, but I didn't see that that time.
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  Speaker 1: 22 inches, yes!
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  Speaker 3: I'll never forget. I went through a breakup and it
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: was like the worst breakup of my life. And I
• 5:42
  Speaker 3: reconnected with this guy and he had like changed. He
• 5:45
  Speaker 3: had met cool people and he was like just a
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: different person now. And he was like, I got to
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: show you this thing called Vine and everyone's talking about it.
• 5:54
  Speaker 3: And he showed it to me and I'll just never
• 5:56
  Speaker 3: forget it. And I was like, what is that? That
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  Speaker 3: is the best video ever.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I have asked God to forgive me on countless
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: times for me running through that fucking jumping up to
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  Speaker 2: my new weave 22 inches or the haters keep chasing
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  Speaker 2: me or any of that shit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't ask God to forgive me.
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  Speaker 3: What a fun thing to be. You know, I have
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: a similar one. Mine is a ghost called me a faggot.
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  Speaker 3: And that has gone viral many, many times. And so
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  Speaker 3: for me, and I, it's my favorite thing. It's my
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  Speaker 3: favorite thing in the world. I am very honored that
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  Speaker 3: I am known as the comedian that got called a
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  Speaker 3: faggot by a ghost.
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  Speaker 1: So how did it sound?
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  Speaker 3: Faggot. Oh! Like that.
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  Speaker 1: So do all ghosts sound this way?
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  Speaker 2: Because listen, when you had me on your show, and
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  Speaker 2: I was sitting there, and listen, you said, Maddie, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to play this sound, and you tell me what
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  Speaker 2: it sounds like.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we do that.
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  Speaker 1: And it was like, and I was like, bitch, what
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  Speaker 1: the fuck did that shit say? And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: And I asked you, I said, girl, where the fuck
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  Speaker 1: did you get that sound from?
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  Speaker 3: YouTube. Oh, I just rip them off YouTube. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I like to have fun with all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: You know, people are very serious about ghosts.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because it's the dead.
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  Speaker 2: It's like honoring what was here, my ancestors and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that, you know?
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  Speaker 3: I understand, but there's still a lot of fun to
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  Speaker 3: be had with it. I mean, do you want to
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  Speaker 3: be a ghost one day?
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  Speaker 1: I want to be an ancestor one day.
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  Speaker 3: Not soon. Now, would you want to be recorded, like
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  Speaker 3: your voice? Yeah. I can only imagine.
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  Speaker 1: The quotes we're going to be getting. Girl, get up
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  Speaker 1: and wash your pussy. Girl, your pussy stinks.
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  Speaker 3: Someone needs to tell you. You're doing that with the
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  Speaker 3: Ouija board.
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  Speaker 1: That's your pussy stink.
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  Speaker 2: P-U-S-S-Y.
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  Speaker 1: Stinks. Pussy just stink. Asshole just stink. Balls is musty.
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  Speaker 3: They need to know.
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  Speaker 1: Watch it. Put a towel. I can smell this in
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  Speaker 1: there after life. Watch these motherfuckers.
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  Speaker 3: It's cross realms, that pussy.
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  Speaker 1: That pussy and ass juice, the cross realms.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to say this, right?
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  Speaker 2: You at the top of the show said that you
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: want people to know who you are, right?
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: So we have a segment on our show. It's called
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: Talking Shit.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to make sure that you know what
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  Speaker 2: you got to do in this segment of the show.
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  Speaker 1: Like, in this.
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  Speaker 3: For anyone that hasn't listened to every single episode, that
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  Speaker 3: won't be me.
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  Speaker 1: That's not me. That's right. So you look right at
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  Speaker 1: this motherfucking camera, Ms.
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  Speaker 2: Roz, and you tell those people, you look directly in
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  Speaker 2: that camera and let the world know who you are,
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  Speaker 2: what you do, how you doing it, what it's produced by,
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  Speaker 2: who made it, how it was made, how it was
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  Speaker 2: folded up, which ghost called you a fag.
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  Speaker 1: Because I need to know which ghost it was that
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  Speaker 1: called you a fag.
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  Speaker 3: Can I send you there?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 8:43
  Speaker 3: Have a word with Maddie?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I need to know, because if that bitch
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  Speaker 2: call you a faggot again, I'm going over there, and
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to dig them up, and I'm going to
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: place their bones somewhere else.
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  Speaker 3: Honey, if the cameras are running, though, it's been very
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  Speaker 3: good for me. It's happened a few times to me.
• 8:56
  Speaker 3: I've heard multiple slurs from the other side, from these
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: little machines, and every time it happens, I say... Thank you, God.
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  Speaker 3: When I post this, this is going to be so good.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: And they speak.
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  Speaker 2: OK, so we don't get it today. So you look
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: into this camera and you talk your shit right now.
• 9:11
  Speaker 2: And don't you be modest at all. That's not a problem.
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: There's a horn to toot.
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  Speaker 3: It will be my own. I it's funny because I
• 9:21
  Speaker 3: didn't I knew that this was coming and I didn't.
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: You know, I probably could have.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: Just do it.
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: I probably could have really thought about it. Just do
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  Speaker 3: it right out of the shower. But again, I'm used
• 9:29
  Speaker 3: to having to explain who I am. Do it right
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  Speaker 3: out of the shower.
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: Do it right out of the shower, girl. Okay.
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: Well, my name is Roz Hernandez. I'm transgender. Um, I
• 9:38
  Speaker 3: come from the drag world and I mean, it's very
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: much a part of me still, but I don't know,
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: I'm trans, but you know, in a very draggy way,
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  Speaker 3: it's very connected for me. Um, a lot of people
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: know me as this ghost hunting lady, but if you
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: ask me, I'm a standup comedian is what I do.
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: I've done that for 13 years and I've traveled the
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: world doing it. And I've opened for great people, Bob
• 9:59
  Speaker 3: the Drag Queen, I opened for. I mean, I just,
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: I love making people laugh. That is my passion. And,
• 10:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I'll do it, like, on gay cruises. I
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: do it, I tour by myself. Last year, I didn't
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: have very much work on my calendar. I was on
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: a TV show. that was on Hulu, and then that
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: got canceled. And then I was just kind of like,
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: what do I do? I want to make people laugh.
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: It's like a horrible time in America. And so I
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: put together a 50-city tour in primarily gay bars. And
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: I drove myself, I sold my own merch, I made
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: my ticket links, I did literally everything, booked all of
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: it myself. And I was really lucky, I got an
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: audiobook deal with Simon & Schuster out of it. So,
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: the book is called Peeing in an Empty Bottle. and
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: other glamorous shenanigans of an almost-famous transgender comedian on the road.
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  Speaker 3: You can get it anywhere you get audiobooks. And, you know,
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: I'm just out here hustling. And that's why I'm so
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: inspired by you two, is just your work ethic and...
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  Speaker 3: You know what it's like. You got dreams just to
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: get them. You know, I'm not sitting around. But there's
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: only so much, you know, I haven't really.
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: We're a tranny.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't had a break.
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  Speaker 2: We can't sit around. And we're not supposed to say
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: that word, but we're trainees.
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  Speaker 3: No, totally.
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: So that's T-R-A-N-I-E-E, like a trainee at a job.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: And so we can, we're trainees. And we're in training
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  Speaker 1: to be great.
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  Speaker 3: And I've been training, trainee-ing.
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  Speaker 1: A lot.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm ready. You know, it's like I'm kind of
• 11:38
  Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'm ready.
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  Speaker 2: But we're going to always be trainees because, you know,
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: we're going to get the job. We're going to stay
• 11:48
  Speaker 2: in training.
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  Speaker 3: You stay in training as a trainee. You have to.
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  Speaker 1: One must.
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  Speaker 3: And I've been in training.
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  Speaker 1: Right now. So talk to me about Hulu. How did
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: you get that Hulu spot?
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  Speaker 3: That was a good one.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that was good.
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: That was good. So that was, it was called Living
• 12:07
  Speaker 3: for the Dead. It was supposed to be, it was
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: the same people that did Queer Eye. So they did
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: the original Queer Eye and then the newer one. And
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: they wanted it to be like Queer Eye, but with
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: people that have ghost problems. Okay, so... How did you
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: even pitch that? Well, I didn't. It was so great.
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  Speaker 3: It was already picked up and everything. Kristen Stewart was
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: the producer and she was the voiceover. She was on
• 12:35
  Speaker 3: the show with us. And they were looking for five
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: people in the paranormal world. And so it ended up
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: being psychics and paranormal investigators. And then, old clown lady
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: over here showing up with my razzle dazzle. I mean,
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: I talk about ghosts a lot with my podcast, so
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: I had that, you know, going for me.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: But, um.
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, then I got to do that show. And then, unfortunately,
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: a lot of people, not a lot of people heard
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: about it. And then it was actually taken off of
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: Hulu and Disney +. So now no one can see
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: it anywhere. But we have the clip where I am
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  Speaker 3: called not a trainee.
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  Speaker 1: But a faggot. But a faggot. Oh, listen, this is
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: the outlaw. We're already outlawed over here, girl. We can
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: say whatever we want to say.
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: Did you ever hear people try to tell you you
• 13:20
  Speaker 3: can't use that one?
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, what?
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: I get called that one more than trainee. Yeah, me too. Yeah,
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: because to me, I think that a lot of times
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: the transphobes, they don't want to acknowledge that you're something. Like,
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: almost saying that you're a tranny. It's like acknowledging that
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: you're something else. Like, they want to be like, you're
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: a man. Yeah. Oh, oh. You are a gay man.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: Get that spirit off of me.
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a spirit. That's when we got to go
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: back to Christianity.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Get that spirit off of me. Get that man off
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: of me.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: Exorcism.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get him off.
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: Power of Christ.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: Get him out.
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: Get him out.
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  Speaker 1: Goodbye. I love you.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: I can just look at you for hours. I'm like
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: so starstruck. It's crazy.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: I just want you to really understand.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: This woman had me on her podcast barely with any
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: clothes on. Nobody could see. I remember you telling me, Maddie,
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: nobody could see you. I was like, girl, but I
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: got to tell you what happened. We started talking about
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: fucking ghosts while I was lathering.
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: And you had stories.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, I did.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: You had good ones. Some of these people, we reach out,
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: and then they show up, and it's like, are you
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: kidding me? Come up with something.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Nah, nah. Not you. Nah.
• 14:35
  Speaker 3: Not T.S. Madison.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: Listen, no, because I got them. I got the stories.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: I got living stories and dead ones. Oh, yes.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: And I've seen some scary creatures on both sides.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: So if anyone wants to listen to it, it's called
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Ghosted by Ross Hernandez. We now do it on YouTube,
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: but this was before. So you'd have to just listen
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: where you get podcasts to that one.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: I don't remember what year.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Were you hurt when this show got canceled?
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: Yes. But I saw it coming because it was... It
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: wasn't picking up. Like, people weren't hearing about it. It
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: was an all-LGBT cast. And unfortunately, even LGBT people didn't.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Know about it.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Well, this is what I think what tends to happen sometimes. Sometimes, like,
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: the network thinks, like, they're being inclusive and they'll give
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: you a deal or they'll give you like a good
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: thing and then they won't put any money behind it.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Like they'll get these shows and like they'll put tons
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: and tons of money behind it.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: This is why. And I think people really don't understand
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: that the real... machine behind mainstream.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: People get famous because who invests the money? Right.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: And we need to support our projects, too. You know,
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: they need to know that this will make money. And it's... Unfortunately,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of times it's up to us to be
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: watching them.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Well, it will make money if they put... You can't
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: just put... You can't pull out of an empty pot.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: We didn't have billboards, you know, and it was a
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: big TV show. So, unfortunately... On Hulu. So, unfortunately, people
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: didn't hear about it. And, you know, I... After the
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Dylan Mulvaney Budweiser thing happened, I do feel, because I
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: always try to be optimistic, and I was kind of like,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: you know, that was, and I don't blame Dylan at all,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: but when the backlash happened from that, I was very
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: much like, well, we'll see, maybe... Maybe it's not connected,
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: the fact that I don't get auditions anymore. Maybe it's
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: not connected. And as time has gone on, I'm like,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: you know what? Fuck it. I'm calling it what it is.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: There's putting trans women on television right now in mainstream
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: ways or just mainstream opportunities. I think that there's a
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: lot of fear that there will be backlash.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Well, like right now, Candace Dillard came and sat down
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: on this show. I'm currently right now in, It's a
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: huge conversation because I said, well, the housewives ain't going
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: to be right until I'm on there.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just throwing it out there.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, I don't give a, I really don't
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: give a fuck about this because I'm going to produce,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: create whatever my own path, my own lane.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: I don't have to be a housewife of Atlanta, you know,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: or have to be on any of the things, but
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, Bitch, I'm T.S.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Madison. I live in Atlanta.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: You're a very successful woman that lives in Atlanta.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: And that's trans. So, you know, and I'm dating and
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: have had some husbands, too. Like the rest of those whores. So, bitch,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: what the fuck? I can't sit on there. But if
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not included, it's okay. But I've been seeing the
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: discourse around it. Like, I haven't been responding to it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: But I've been looking at all the discourse around, and
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: it was just the smallest clip from our show, from
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: our show, this one right here, that is everywhere.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: And they're reading, and a lot of it is coming
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: from gays.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: It's shocking. People feel permission to really go there. They
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: don't hold back. in a way that they might have
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: a couple years ago. And it's really, it's hard. You know,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: you have to have tough skin these days, you know?
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: And putting things out there, it terrifies me. And it
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: makes me, at this point in my life, go, when
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: I say Ross Renner should be more famous, it has
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with the mainstream anymore. It is more so,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: there are people I do this for that I wish,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I just want to know about me. Which is why
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: something like this is so big for me because I'm like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: oh my God, your audience that you built for yourself
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: is like, those are my people.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to watch it. They're going to watch it.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: They're going to tune in.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: It's probably some shit on here we're going to say
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: that's going to get snip clipped and they're going to
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: have a discourse about that shit.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: But if I was to be on a mainstream show
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: right now, Real House, whatever it is, I don't want
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: that in my life. I don't want that right now.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I will tell you, Roz, there was a couple of
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: things that I read that I respected.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? In some of the discourse,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: there was a few things that I read that I respected.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Name them.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Let's hear it.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: One of the gay gentlemen said, well, Madison, you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: it's not that we don't want you on the show.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: It's we don't want what comes with it, like the transphobia,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the constant misgendering.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: See, but what I want is people to see, it's
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: even like, even an invisible ghost calling me faggot, I
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: want people to see me, even if it's, you know, fake.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't fake, but, you know, in someone's mind,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: they say, I don't believe that or whatever, I don't care.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I want you to see a trans woman standing up
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: for themselves. I think it's very important for people to
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: see us not laying back and taking it. And somebody like.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: You is someone... You know I ain't going to lay
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: back and take it unless it's sex.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: I'd love to see one of them bitches try.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Unless it's sex, I ain't laying back and taking it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, and that's when you do?
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, it all depends. Yeah. On what position.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I've got an ace. You've laid, we're going to get
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: into that. Please.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: But I just, but my thing is for us, I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: respected that comment because it's like, you're looking at it
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: from a community standpoint of like, we don't want our
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: community to really be battling back and forth with a discourse. However,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: there were others like, well, she's not rich. She's not fat.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Cause like all those girls are fabulous.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: They're beautiful. She's not beautiful. She's not rich. She's not fabulous.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, You're saying all this from a 400
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: square foot apartment?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I have three homes. Three.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Can I stay in one?
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Well, if you can come in there and cast the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: ghost out.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: But it's like, I like, and this is like this,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: and this is like, I have businesses. I have bitch.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I have residuals. Entrepreneur. It's like things that I have.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And this is like, well, what makes you girls think
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: that these girls are, I'm actually doing a lot more
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: than those housewives are doing. If you really want me,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: if you really want to be technical, I'm doing a
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: lot more built from the ground, from the ground that
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: they're doing. And I didn't, and it ain't because I'm,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: because no fucking man was doing this because i'm some
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: some some some dude's housewife and the thing about it
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: or she's not dating you don't know what i'm doing.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly you don't know who's who i say put
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: t.s medicine on every reality any place we can get
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: you not any place girl i'm gonna see those people
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: the swamp people going in.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: There you know what i do take me out in
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the swamps to help help me fish let me help
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: y'all fish for alligator.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Little women at Atlanta, throw her in there. That's it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Let me be the house mother.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Get her in there.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I want them all. That's right.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: 16 and pregnant.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Figure it out. There I go.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Because I'm going to be one of the women that
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: lost a lot of babies. Because I've lost a lot.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Have you?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of dead babies.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: They stay flushed. Are they in a rubber bag somewhere?
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Dried out somewhere.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Going into some sewer. Just floating.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I'm so sorry about that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to those kids.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Not to that man, but to those kids.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Sorry to those kids.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: So, Roz, you talked about, for a second there, you
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: talked about being called a faggot.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Sorry. You all heard the way she said that. It's
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: so funny. You know, I talk all the time. I
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: get interviewed about trans women in comedy and trans comedy, whatever,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: all the time. And I always tell people, trans women
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: are so funny. The most boring trans woman you've ever
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: met is 10 times funnier.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Than some of these comedians that are on the stage.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Because a lot of these people out here who are... Comedians.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Don't get me started.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I be like, girl, none of this shit is for
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: these skits and stuff that they be doing. I'm like, girl,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it takes skits for you to be this funny?
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: But you know, I'm not for everyone. There's people that
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: could stumble on my work and be like, what?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: You stumble on my work and you ain't laughed. Even
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: when I'm reading a bitch, it's funny.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: You're the funniest... And you're not necessarily, I don't think,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: identified as a stand-up comedian.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not a stand-up.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Not a stand-up.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I've sat on it.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: But comedian, you are the funniest trans comedian in the
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: business by far.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you heard that. You heard what Roz said.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it will always be that way. That's right.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: You are so funny.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can be funny looking at times.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: It all depends.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: It all depends. I take these clothes off, honey, so
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: one hip one way and another hip is another one.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: That shit look funny. But, you know, I didn't... But
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: they like it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I didn't see any of that that time.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I know, because I was wrapped up in that towel.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Calling on the spirits with that oil, rubbing that oil
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: on me, that kinetic oil.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Can we go back to your faggot?
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the spirit.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Faggot.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: So you've been called a faggot by the living and
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the dead.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Sure have. I wear it proudly. You know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I've been places before where I get recognized for that video.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: How does it feel?
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: And people, they go, that ghost called you a faggot?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Wow. How does it feel? I love it. I do too.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I'm so proud. You know, I'm a big fan and
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: believer of, you know, reclaiming words and stuff like that.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: You know, all of that. And I mean, I personally...
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I don't sit here and... My transness is not necessarily...
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Not necessarily binary per se. Like, I'm very... The years
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I spent gay man and drag queen, that is very
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: much a part of my story. And I choose to
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: celebrate it a little bit. I mean, I don't want
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to see pictures. Don't show me pictures. Don't call me
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: my dead name. I don't want that. But it's a
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: part of me. To get to where I am today,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: that word has been a part of the story a
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: long time. And to be proud of who I am
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: now and the things that I enjoy, a lot of
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: times I'm like... You know, this to me is faggotry.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: It's not so much about... Like, this to me is
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: not necessarily woman. It's faggotry. Like, to me, it's just fabulous.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: It's over the top.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: But Cher would wear this.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I love that. But I mean, she wouldn't wear that
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to a grocery store. What?
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Dolly Parton would wear this. Cher, well, I wonder if
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: she's wearing something like this now.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: But even still, I'm like, girl, that's over the top fabulousness.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: And I just, whatever you want to call it, fine.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: That's what I, that's my gender.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Do you think we can channel Dolly?
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I love, you don't know what that did to me. Dolly, like,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I am still recovering. It's been hard. I love Dolly
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: so much.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Have you tried to channel her?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: No, I don't like that. I don't like that. You
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: go on the internet that you will always find on YouTube.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Anytime a celebrity dies, there's people that are trying to
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Ouija board them or whatever. I don't like that.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Have you ever channeled a spirit?
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Have I channeled a spirit?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Honey. Yes, I've channeled a spirit.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: How big was it?
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing. They don't have bodies. So.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. So we're going to lose our dicks
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: in heaven?
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling you won't. No. That's a lot
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: of dick, bitch. I don't think that's going to happen
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: for you.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Are we going to lose our dicks in it? I
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: don't think so.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Okay. I don't think, unless you want to. I think
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: maybe it's, here's the beauty of all of this, is
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: that we don't know. Right. People will tell you they do,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: but they don't. So it's fun. So let's have fun.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: That's my thing. I say let's have a freaky kiki.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I want it to be spooky, so I do a
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: thing on YouTube where I find guys on Grindr and
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: we go ghost hunting. It's called Roz Hernandez, the haunted doll.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: And I find these guys and it's a queer time.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Like we are, this is not about trying to prove
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: ghosts are real. It's just a little spooky. It's fabulous.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I'm wearing all of this. and I'm in a haunted
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: hotel room with some stranger, but it's like, we're family.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: I find these guys all over the place. Like, I've been,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I was like in the middle of nowhere, Arizona, up
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: on top of a damn mountain. I found myself, oh,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: that girl, you did.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Come on over.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: We do ghost hunting. We start talking to the, like,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: it was so fun.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: So tell me, so give me an example of a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: natural hunt.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: A natural hunt?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Um, When you're hunting.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: When I'm hunting for ghosts.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Ghosts, yeah.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: But I mean, sometimes people hear the word ghost hunt
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: and they're like, they get confused. I hunt the same
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: way I hunt for bargains. I'm not, it's not about
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: killing or trying to hunt. Like, I go to these places,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: I go to haunted hotel rooms, specifically the ones that
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: will say, room 352 is where the spooky lady is
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: or whatever. I look for those places. I book the
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: hotel room because I don't have money to rent out giant,
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: abandoned hospitals or whatever the hell. So I just do
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: what I can afford, which is one or two nights
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: in a haunted hotel room. I bring all my stuff
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: with me. I bring my suitcase, I set up all
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: my cameras, and I film the whole thing. And then
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I go on Grindr and I post. I don't reach
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: out to guys. I post a thing that says, hey,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I'm looking, I'm filming for my YouTube. And usually someone
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: will recognize me. And then they'll be like, hey, oh
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: my God. And then they come on over. It's cute.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I love you, bitch. That means so much to me.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: So do you take your spirit stick with you or sticks?
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: My spirit stick? Girl, what do you know about my
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: spirit stick, bitch?
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Because how are you hunting? How are you actually hunting
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: for the ghost?
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Not with my spirit stick. I do other things with that.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Well, it's part of hunting.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I got all the devices that the
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: people say does, you know, But yeah, I don't know how,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's real. I know I don't
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: fake anything. I don't know that it means that it's
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: a ghost that just said faggot. Listen, somebody said it.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a ghost or what.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: So Roz, I want you to take me through you going,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: what you do is you go to the hotel room.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: And you rent it out for a night or two.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: For a night or two.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: With no fear.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: No, I'm that's the other thing. So people hear that
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I'm a ghost hunter and they have their idea of
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: what that means. But I do it, I think, a
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: little bit different than a lot of people. I'm terrified,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: and I also kind of don't believe, I don't believe
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: everything's a ghost. I believe ghosts are real. I don't
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: believe everything is. So I'm looking for those things that
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: I can't explain. But at the same time, skeptical as
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I am, I'm so scared. You tell me that there's
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: an invisible person that could... grab my coochie in this
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: room or whatever. I'm not going in there.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: But, but, Baz, you booked the room.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: For the people at home. I do it for them.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: So you're putting your spiritual life in danger.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that. I don't believe that because I
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: feel that, uh, darkness is looking for vulnerable targets. And
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I don't feel that, um, about myself spiritually. I really don't.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: So I'm not afraid. I think predators sense fear on
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: their prey.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: But you get the room, or rooms, and you take
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the guy from Grindr there.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: And you get your spirit stick together.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: What is a spirit stick?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I think trainees have those, but we special trainees know
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: how to channel spirits with those.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And so you get your spirit sticks and you get
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: your things and you get in there and then you like.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Do you pull a Ouija board out too?
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Sometimes. Made by Hasbro. Got it at Target, right next
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: to Candyland and Monopoly. To me, I believe that Ouija
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: boards are very much like Grindr. I think you can
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: log on and you could meet the worst demons you've
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: ever met, or you can make a new friend. But
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: it's all about your intentions. It's all about protecting yourself
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: and taking care of yourself.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I really want your show to come back.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm doing it myself now. And I'm, you know,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I'm very, it's, again, very inspired by you. But making
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: my own work feels so rewarding.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: It feels great. It feels better.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: And to have every element be how I want it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: You'll never be canceled. It'll never get canceled because it's
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: like your shit. Yeah.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: But it's like, I really wanted somebody to dump money
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: into it. And just, because I want to watch it.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: You said you had three houses?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we could use one of them.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: You said you had three houses?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Channel.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: And we're looking for someone with money?
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, no.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I ain't talking about my kind of money. I'm talking
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: about money.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about money, money.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I got a little coin. I'm talking about money, money. Okay.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: But I just want to know, when you get in
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: that room with no fear, and you and the guy
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: from Grindr lock the door, and you say, come, spirit, come.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh. Does he, does, do they come?
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Well, they fucking better. But that's the thing. They're not union.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: They don't show up when you roll, when you turn
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: the cameras on. Sometimes, and that's why I get nervous.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: You know, I purposely don't go to the bathroom in
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: The Haunt. I treat it like that is a set.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: So I'll go to the lobby or someplace else to
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: pee because if, if I'm going and a ghost walks
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: up and touches me, have to use that footage are
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: you kidding me so you can't control when these ghosts
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: come and go but you know i talk to them
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: like they're humans if we are to believe that they're
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: humans that had lived a life like us and they've
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: died i talk to them like they're humans um i
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: and if something doesn't happen i will show that i
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: will still release it and i'll say nothing happened but
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: listen i hope If I'm doing my job properly, you
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: still had a really good time. I still made you laugh.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: And it was a little spooky.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about the audience or the guy from Grindr?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Well, it's happened too where a guy from Grindr didn't
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: show up. I was in San Diego of all places
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: and I could not find a guy from Grindr that
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: would join me. There was nobody. Nobody would do it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: You guys in San Diego are transphobic.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: It was bad. It was bad. So then, I'm in
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: this haunted hotel room, nothing's happening. And it was haunted
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: by this man. He was like a gambler that got
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: shot back in the day, whatever. And nothing's happening. And
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? I paid for this.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I have my camera set up. I'm just sitting here.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: And it's so boring. You're sitting in a hotel room
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: waiting for an invisible thing to happen. Nothing was happening.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: I turned off the lights and I said, you know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: at least if I put on the night vision cameras,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: it'll look spooky and maybe I can build some tension
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: with the audience and whatever. As soon as I turn
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: off the lights, my machines start going off and I
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: feel for the first time in my life, for years
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: I would watch those shows and I would go, I'd
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: roll my eyes when someone would go, something touched me.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I'd go, you could fake that so easily. I'm telling you,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: I was in the dark and you can watch my
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: face on camera. Bitch, I can't act. all of a
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: sudden an invisible man was right next to me. Just
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: right next to me. And I said, could you move away?
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: And as soon as I say that, the machine right
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: there lit up. And then I said, could you go
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: touch the thing on the bed? The thing on the
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: bed lit up. It was the scariest moment I've had ever.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: But unfortunately, you could watch that and be like, this
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: bitch is faking it. We had to be there. But
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I just try to be as honest. To me, the
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: truth will set you free. I don't want to lie
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: about any of this shit. I will be honest about
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: what I'm doing, how I'm doing it, how I felt,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: all of that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I'm curious to know, Roz, what got you into this? Well.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Is this like a kink? I'm half white. I honestly
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: think that that was part of it. I'm half white,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: half Mexican. And so, like... The Mexican side of me
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: is very superstitious, I feel. I feel like that is
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: more of my, like I grew up Catholic and I'm
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: very like....
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: What's your sign?
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Libra.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, you and I both. We talked about that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: But I feel like it is.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Are you an October Libra?
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh. October 20.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I'm October 22nd. That's what it is. That's exactly what
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: It's coming up.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: That's what it is.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I do feel like the white side of me is
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: the side that's like, let's go fuck up some shit
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: on the other side.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: It could definitely be the Mexican side because, you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: the girls get into the arts.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, Mexican people are very spiritually, you know, connected
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: and long history of celebrating the dead and, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: all of that. So that part, like the fascination and stuff.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: But I also think that Latinos historically are more responsible,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: or very responsible, very serious about it, and responsible about
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: almost like what you were saying with like, you're going
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: to put your spiritual life in jeopardy, like that kind
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: of stuff. I take that, I do take that seriously.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: But then I think that there's also the side of me,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: you know, when you watch a horror movie and you're watching,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: you go, why did that bitch go out there? She
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: just heard that. That's half of me. I will go
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: out there.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, shit. But you just woke up
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: one day in your life.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Who is that, please? Okay. You woke up one day
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: in your life and you just was like, I'm a witch.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: No, I don't identify as a witch. What happened was
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I'm a standup. I was doing standup as a drag queen. Well,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: I was working as a drag queen in West Hollywood
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: and all over LA. Actually, that's how my friend and
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I met. I was performing a lot. I was a
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: full-time drag queen. I was the host on the microphone.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: And I hosted a lot of the shows in L.A.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I was working all the time with the Rue Girls
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: and when Ross Matthews used to do brunches. And I
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: was the host for those. And, um... But then I
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: would leave the drag show and go to the comedy
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: club and go, as a drag queen, do stand-up. And
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I was doing this for years and made so many
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: friends that are famous people or public figures, whatever. And
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: I wanted a podcast. You know, I've spent years out
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out, like, what's... How do I get
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: out there? So I wanted to do a podcast, but
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: at the time, it was very like, you have to
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: have a theme. You have to, you know, especially being
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: an unknown person, it's like, you have to be known
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: for talking about, you know, whatever it is, murder or
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: sex or whatever. And I was like, ghosts? I don't know.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: I feel like I could make that funny. I like talking.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I like hearing people's stories. Endlessly fascinating to me. And...
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't see many people of color. I
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: don't see much queerness in that space. So, like, why
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: don't I do it? If there's none, I would enjoy
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: watching that. So, let me do it. So, I started
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: this podcast, Ghosted. And, you know, people liked it. And
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: from that, I got the TV show. And now I'm...
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Then I got called faggot. And now I'm known as
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: this ghost lady. But that's why I am constantly always like,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: but don't forget, I am a comedian. And if you
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: go see me do stand-up, I'm not talking about... I
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: got a podcast and a YouTube to talk about dead people.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I make fun of the living. I talk about... That's
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: where I'm talking about my sex life, bisexual women, whatever
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: So are you a bisexual woman?
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Talk about witches. I've gone to witches and I said,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: what spell will make me not attracted to men anymore?
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: No, don't ever ask a witch for that. Why?
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I can tell you it doesn't work. I've tried a few.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Why would you lose your power as a trainee?
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I would love a woman.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I just, unfortunately. But these men, I just can't.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Honey, what?
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: What? Honey, what?
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: So you'd give up... Honey, what? What? You'd give up
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: a man for a woman?
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Well, I wish I wanted a woman.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not the only person that is attracted to men
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: and is also like, are you fucking kidding me?
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to understand the nature of men because
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: you are male.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: You got that on camera, right?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When you understand the nature of male as a male.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Sure, sure.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Then you know as a woman what you must do.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right, right. Yeah, I mean, I am at
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: a point in my life where.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Are you a woman?
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: You know, I very much identify with being trans.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: A trans woman.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Sure, I think that that's the quickest, easiest way to
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: answer the question. I think when I have more time
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: to sit down and talk about it with someone, I'm
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: not so hung up on woman, to be completely honest
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: with you.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Me, neither am I.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: But I'm not a man.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not a man. Exactly. Same thing with faggot, going
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: back to that. Sorry, this is going to be the
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: faggot episode. I feel like I don't identify as a
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: gay man, but I identify with that word faggot.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: You do? Mm-hmm. And that's okay. Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: But I'm not a gay man. And when I go
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: on these gay cruises... Nothing's more gender affirming than a
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: boat full of men attracted to men and nobody wants
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: to fuck me. I don't feel more like a woman
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: than when I'm on a boat floating around.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: And here we are to the segment of the show
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: where I always talk about when we get to these
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: spaces where I'm trying to explain to cisgendered, heterosexual, heteronormative ideology.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: They don't understand.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: That men who identify as homosexual.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I wish that those boys liked me.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Gay.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Faggot.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Are not interested in trans-identified women.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Sorry, honey.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Sorry. We have more play at a straight bar.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, yes.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Than we do at a gay bar.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: When we're going out to the gay bar, we're the
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: gay girlfriend that's in the bar having drinks.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: When we go to that straight bar, you better bring
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: a condom.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. At least.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Or two.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: At least.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Because somebody's getting fucked.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Somebody. That's how I walk into the straight bar. I say,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: listen up, someone's getting fucked.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Somebody.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I don't care who. One of you is getting fucked.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I trust.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Um, but yeah, no, I, I, I totally am with
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: you on that. And I've heard you talk about this
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: many times and, and I want people to know this.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: They will never understand it because they'll never accept it because, because,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: because identity and, um, you know, sexuality attraction to them
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: all run in one circle.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: I'm actually, I've gotten to a point, and I don't
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: know if this is problematic or what, but I've.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Let it be, please. Please let it be problematic.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I am just sort of at a point where I
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: don't really care about having the conversation. You know, like,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: these conversations are always coming up with these people. They
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: love to be like... Well, you have this chromosome and
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: you're this and something. And I'm just like, I don't
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: give a fuck about any of that. Respect me is
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: all I'm asking for. All I'm asking for, why are
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: we having this conversation? And also most trans, let's just
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: say women in this context, trans women that I know
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: do not not know what they are. We know what
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: we are. We don't need to be told all the time.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: And they've also made up so many things about us
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: that are just like not true and confusing. And I'm
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: sick of it. I am like so done. And I'm
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: just like, if that's what you want to have, you
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: want to think that, I'm just leaving. There was a
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: time in my life where I was like, no, it's
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: up to us to teach that. Bitch, no, I'm done.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: You know, when I used to perform for straight audiences
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: all the time in like comedy clubs and stuff, that was,
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: and it was a different time. I do think a
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: few years ago, there was more curiosity from them. And
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I would take on this responsibility of like, maybe these
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: people have never met somebody like me and I want
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: to relate. And maybe they'll say, bitch, at this point,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: if you still need that, you're probably dumb. And I
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: don't want you on my side. If you need to
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: be told to not be an asshole to other people,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Treat others the way you want to be treated. Isn't
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: that Jesus that taught you that?
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: And if that's the heaven that you're trying to force
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: me to get myself to take off the wig for, sorry, honey.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go to that heaven.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: If that's the heaven that you want to force me
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: to take off.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: That doesn't sound like fun.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: To take off my wig for.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Could you imagine?
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And take my titties and put them on the ground.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And take out my hips.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: That big old dick.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I ain't taking that off. Heaven or hell, it's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: going with me.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: That's going with you.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Heaven or hell, it's going with me. Just over the shoulder.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Throwing that bitch across my neck and taking that bitch
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: with me.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: But I'm just at the place where I don't want
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: to be in that heaven with those people.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Of course. I don't. Like, if I got to go
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: to heaven with you.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: That's the after party?
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: This is where I got to go with you motherfuckers?
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I'm good.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: I'm good, too. But that's why I'm just like... I
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: don't have time... Like, when you... Especially anytime I've lost
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: somebody that's young, it always reminds me of just how
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I'm going to spend my time on this earth. And
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I cannot spend my time on this earth in fear or.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Because of other people's bullshit you know it's just like
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: how I feel with show business and trying to make
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: it right now where I'm like I don't got time
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I've got dreams I'm booking my own tour that's right
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: I'll do it my own self that's right what would T.S.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Madison do book it exactly book it herself oh I
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: don't have a TV show okay I'll make one that
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: was a ghost by the way that was I will
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: make one I'll do it on YouTube.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: That's it $ 200 a night is my budget that's it
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: And that's just what the fuck it is.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: You know, nothing's going to... I'm not putting my dreams
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: on hold. I'm not putting my life on hold because
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: of this climate that all these people... It's all fueled...
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: How do they not know it's so negative? It's not
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: good to be mean to people. Happy people are not
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: mean to people. You should not be mean to people.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: You should actually be very ashamed that you are expressing
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: negativity to other people. This is not something that should
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: be rewarded. So I'm just out of here.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gone.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: I'm going to take my razzle dazzle ass someplace where
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: I'm appreciated. Yes. Yes.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: That shit, that just filled me with so much energy
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: because it's exhausting. It's exhausting trying to tell people, hey,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: just respect me. I don't give a fuck what you
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: believe about me.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Just respect me. You don't want to respect me? We
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: don't got to deal with each other.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: We don't got to share space with each other.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: But especially when they try to go back to... But
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: your bone structure and your... Bitch, what does that have
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: to do with anything right now in this very moment?
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: What I'm talking about is I want to be respected. Okay,
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: why are we talking about all that stuff? That has
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with... And I think that a lot
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: of times they think that trans women think that we have...
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: magically turn into cis women and so they want to
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: throw it in our faces why we are not cis women.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: We know that we're not cis women and we never
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: said we were.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Don't use that word cis.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's one we can't do no more. That's one
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: we can't do no more.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Don't you use that word cis.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: You didn't let me finish. Sisters. That's S-I-S-T-E-R.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: S-I-S-T-E-R.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: You didn't let me spell it. What's spelled that way?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Our sisters. that are, what are we supposed to call
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: them now? Biological?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Women.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Just women.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: Just women? Yeah.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Well, those just women are different than us. And actually,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I think it's beautiful to celebrate what's different about us.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I celebrate women. I celebrate women all the time.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: But I also, just because I celebrate you doesn't mean
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to dismiss me.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: And I think that at times that that's what they
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: want us to do. to do.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Another thing that's been so major for me with you,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: as silly or whatever as it might sound to an outsider,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: but it really is important, is you talking about your body.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: so openly and proudly, your anatomy, what your body does
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: and doesn't do, all of those things, which is a choice.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: It's up to you, you know, nobody has to. But
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I do think that for a while, I mean, I
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: felt really intimidated by being this specific example and being told,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: don't talk about that stuff because it objectifies us or whatever.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, especially as that's the spirit that's the
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: spirit uh okay but especially as a as a stand-up
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: i'm watching every comedian talk about sex i'm watching every
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: comedian talk about their things and they're this and they're
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: that and i'm just like i want to now i
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: feel like i'm not allowed to do certain things you
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: know and i am because i this there's always this
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: uh Women and trans women in conversations about our body
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: parts and whatever. Like, I feel like I'm not allowed
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: to talk about it or whatever. But from you and
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: consuming your work, I've always been just like, she does it. Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: And she's so proud of it. And it's so beautiful.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: And it really has inspired me to embrace everything about me.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Raj, you must do that.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Because you only have a certain amount of time on
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: this planet.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm not.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Coloring in the lines because somebody told me that this
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: is for you, you have to color in these lines.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: For everybody else, they can draw all outside the line,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: but for you, you have to color in those lines.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Nah. Yeah.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Fuck that shit.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I want to scribble scrabble.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: I want to draw circles and lines and dots. I
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: want blue and red and yellow. I want green. I
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: want pink. I want yellow.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I want to do what the fuck I want to
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: do because when I leave this place, whatever side that
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I set my foot on, I have to speak to
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: whatever speaks to me and be like, well, you did that.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: And not you did that because you did it and
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: not because somebody else told you to fucking do it.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: And that's how I want all my girls to be.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: And I want all my girls to absorb that and
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: to live.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: That is.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Don't you feel free? Yeah. Oh, yes.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: I feel so good about my life. And I will have,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: you know, family members or whoever, outsiders, that are just like,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: but you're always complaining about this and that. Yeah, is
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: other people fucking up the existence of being trans in
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: America right now. But how I feel about me, I
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: feel so good about myself. And I want us all
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: to feel so good about ourselves. We all deserve that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: We all are entitled to that. We should feel good
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: about ourselves. We should strive for that. Yes. And yes,
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: there's always going to be assholes that are trying to,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: you know, tear you down. whether they're living or dead
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: and calling you a faggot from the other side. Those
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: are just nasty people living or dead.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine thinking that you're going to die and
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: go to heaven and you're stuck here still calling somebody
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: a faggot?
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Stuck with me in a hotel room.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: It's calling me a faggot and you're in the hotel
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: with me watching me wash my dick.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: What an afterlife.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to live a life so that that is
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: my afterlife.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: No, you don't want that.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: That is my heaven.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: You don't want that to be your afterlife, being stuck
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: here because you.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Were mean, hateful, bigoted, dirty, evil human being who hated
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: other human beings.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And now you're stuck here because you thought you were
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: on your way to heaven.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: I do think that's what happens.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: You thought you were on your way to fucking heaven
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: and you're stuck here calling somebody a faggot in a
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: hotel room, watching them wash their tux. Ladies and gentlemen,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: this has been Ross Hernandez here.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: That's it?
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: You're not the beeper that went off. I want more.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: That's what he said. He? Yeah. That's what he said.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: But not me.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: No, not you. But I told him.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: What'd you call me earlier?
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: A male? No, a woman.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I heard male.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I said.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Rewind it.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I said we. I spoke French. Because we're not delusional
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: in here. We know what we are.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: Speaking of we, I got a.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I gotta go. You got marijuana?
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: No, I got pee.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, she got a wee-wee.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Actually, you know what I'm doing? I'm leaving this right now,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: driving seven hours by myself to San Francisco to do
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: a sold-out show at Oasis. I can't wait. And then
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: I'm going to Santa Cruz and staying in a haunted
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: hotel room.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: With a grinder date.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Hopefully. Oh. That's the plan.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, this has been Roz Hernandez. Look her
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: up on Grindr. She's the witch hunter.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not hunting the witches. I'm not a witch.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not good.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I'm none of that. A medium. She's a medium.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: But I am touring right now and everything's on my Instagram,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Roz Hernandez.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Tell them.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Roz Hernandez is my name. You will not forget it. Um,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: I am on Instagram. My YouTube is Ross Hernandez, the doll.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: My show is called Ross Hernandez, the haunted doll on YouTube. Um,
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: My podcast is Ghosted by Roz Hernandez. Oh, my audio
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: book is Peeing in an Empty Bottle. I actually mentioned
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: you in it at one point. Good. Yeah.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read it. I'm going to listen to it. Listen, yeah.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Because I have actual interviews with trans women I meet
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: on the road and clips from my shows and club
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: owners and drag queens. I'm very proud of it.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going to listen to it while I'm on the plane.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Because I support what you do because I like a
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: supernatural girl.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: You're a medium then. She's not a witch, ladies and gentlemen.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: She's a medium.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: She uses her spirit stick to channel spirits.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could say that.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: On Grindr. Mm-hmm. Raj, it has been a pleasure having you.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: It's been amazing.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Anytime you got some stuff going on, honey, you want
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: to come by the Outlaws podcast and tell us what
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: you got going on, you're always welcome here.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: That means the world to me.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Bring a spirit with you.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: As long as it's a good one and not one
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: that's going to say.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Can I borrow some money?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got $ 20 in the bag. Bye, y'all. We
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: did it.