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Huddle Up Podcast: Wednesday, March 9 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: The fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. J P. Shacker, John osan and NFL Network
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Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks bring you the latest
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Speaker 1: on George Jacksonville Jack Wars. Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks
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Speaker 1: starts right now. Welcome in to Huddle Up on a
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Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoon with Bucky Brooks, John Oser, I'm J P. Shadrick.
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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, March ninth, and coming up. Massive quarterback news
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Speaker 1: around the league. Aaron Rodgers stays in Green Bay, Russell
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Speaker 1: Wilson leaving Seattle in exchange for a King's Ransom. Plus
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Speaker 1: wide receiver d J. Chark working out with Trevor Lawrence.
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Speaker 1: What does it mean for his future in Teal? And
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Speaker 1: plenty more ahead as well. Let's start with the biggest
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Speaker 1: news for the Jaguars this week, though, guys. The Jags
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Speaker 1: have used the franchise tag on left tackle Cam Robinson
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Speaker 1: sixteen point six million guaranteed in two If he signs
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Speaker 1: the tender, the team and Robin and have until July
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Speaker 1: fifteenth to work out a long term deal or the
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Speaker 1: work on the franchise deal if he signs it allowed
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Speaker 1: one sack last year. Bucky, are you surprised by this
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Speaker 1: move at all? I am not surprised by the move. Um.
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Speaker 1: I want to say John O and I talked about
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Speaker 1: this last week, how that can set the stage for
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Speaker 1: the dominoes when it comes to the draft and how
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Speaker 1: this team is built. UH securing Cam Robinson on the
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Speaker 1: tag and maybe a long term deal. It enables you
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Speaker 1: to kind of free up yourself from UH having to
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Speaker 1: commit to take an offensive tackle at the top of
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Speaker 1: the board. Um, you still have the opportunity to put
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Speaker 1: walk a little in the lineup somewhere, and then maybe
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Speaker 1: you turn your efforts towards getting a pass rusher or
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Speaker 1: another position at the top of the board. Okay, I
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Speaker 1: think we talked about it last week, but Um, in
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Speaker 1: trying to sort of predict what they would do, I
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Speaker 1: kept going back to this and we may have talked
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Speaker 1: about it into what may have stuck in my mind, UM,
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Speaker 1: the idea that from a GM's perspective, when you're looking
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Speaker 1: at your roster, you've only got X amount of players
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Speaker 1: that you feel like our frontline guys. Had you let
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Speaker 1: Cam go, you're taking one drop out of that bucket.
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Speaker 1: If you will and you've got to fill it back
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Speaker 1: up with another drop, which would probably be in the draft. Well,
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Speaker 1: the idea of of keeping Cam is you keep that
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Speaker 1: in the bucket and then add one more into the bucket.
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Speaker 1: As the former scout. That's how personnel people think, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean what you're trying to do is you're trying
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Speaker 1: to look at it in team building. You're trying not
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Speaker 1: to do it in an isolated fashion. So what you
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Speaker 1: want to do is you want to weigh your options.
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Speaker 1: If I have this player and that player, do I
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Speaker 1: like that uh option better than Okay, I can take
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Speaker 1: this draft pick and another player. So it's almost like, um,
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Speaker 1: what's the playing crisis? Right? Showcase? Show now which one
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Speaker 1: that you want? At the end in um, you get
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Speaker 1: you get to figure out which one that you wanted
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Speaker 1: in And so that's what you're doing in the office
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Speaker 1: is you're trying to figure out, Okay, what gives us
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Speaker 1: the best opportunity to hit all the needs and all
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Speaker 1: of the things that we must address for the best personnel.
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Speaker 1: And obviously after doing the evaluation, Cam Robinson was in
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Speaker 1: that picture. Because if you're Doug Peterson and you're trying
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Speaker 1: to figure out what's the best way for us to
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Speaker 1: get this rolling. Do I want to break in a
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Speaker 1: newbie at left tackle? Do I want to go with
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Speaker 1: someone who may have some flaws, but at least I
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Speaker 1: know what those are, and we feel confident enough that
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Speaker 1: maybe we can mask some of those efficiencies while getting
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Speaker 1: the rest of the pieces of the puzzle right. Just
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Speaker 1: remember John to have your pet spade or newter to
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Speaker 1: help control the pet. That's right. That's right. Um So, now, Bucky,
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Speaker 1: what you know I said last week and I said
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Speaker 1: off season, this is the most uh intriguing puzzle that
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Speaker 1: I can remember in the Jaguars offensive line. And maybe
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Speaker 1: it's a reflection of the way the league's going in
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Speaker 1: the sense that offensive lineman can play more positions. Now,
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Speaker 1: you know, you see more guys who can play left
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Speaker 1: hand right tackle, But I'm not sure what they're gonna do.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming Walker little to the right. Does
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Speaker 1: that mean Joan Taylor swing doesn't mean he can play inside?
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Speaker 1: Who are you trying to bring back? I'm assuming Ben
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Speaker 1: Bartch is a starter in a j Kins not. But
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Speaker 1: I still don't know how this offensive line is gonna
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Speaker 1: look even with this move and wasn't a left tackle though,
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Speaker 1: right to swing right? Well, um, you know like so,
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Speaker 1: so he used the thing one. The right tackle the
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Speaker 1: left tackle. Now they're more common than uncommon in terms
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Speaker 1: of like being the similar in terms of job description
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Speaker 1: and the kind of players that you want there. Now,
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Speaker 1: you're right tackle needs to be just as nimble as
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Speaker 1: your left tackle because teams are putting the premier pass
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Speaker 1: rusher at left efense event against the right tackle. So
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Speaker 1: I think we walk a little, he can go there.
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Speaker 1: I think you want can kind of kick inside. You
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Speaker 1: have to make a decision, and the determination us the
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Speaker 1: best five that you can put on the field. And
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Speaker 1: with a new offensive line coach and a new offensive philosophy,
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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how they hold their best
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Speaker 1: five in in in top regard. And let's be honest,
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Speaker 1: how do they view Walk a little in comparison to
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Speaker 1: the other guys that are in this draft class at
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Speaker 1: the top. If they view him as better than maybe
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Speaker 1: that might be the impetus between what behind why they
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Speaker 1: may bypass an opportunity to take a guy at number one.
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Speaker 1: A lot of it is due to the self evaluation
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Speaker 1: and how you really evaluate your team compared to what
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Speaker 1: could be available on free agency and in the draft.
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Speaker 1: Also to JP's point, um, I don't know that Juwan
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Speaker 1: Taylor can swing over to left, but if you've got
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Speaker 1: him as your theoretical swing guy, if Cam were to
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Speaker 1: get hurt, you could move Walk a little to left
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Speaker 1: and move to win in because Walk a little, you
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Speaker 1: know what I can do both. So it's not a
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Speaker 1: true swing, but it gives you options at that position
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Speaker 1: and some flexibility. And another thing here, Bucky with Walker little.
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Speaker 1: He played nine games last year, three starts last season.
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Speaker 1: One of those was literally fifteen minutes before his first
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Speaker 1: career started, he found out Cam Robinson had the back issue.
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Speaker 1: And then here comes Walker a little into the game.
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Speaker 1: It's not a huge sample size from from games and
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Speaker 1: tape and things on the field, but obviously this crew
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Speaker 1: drafted him for a reason and in draft him for
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Speaker 1: a reason, and you're right to sample size isn't um significant.
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Speaker 1: But part of what you're doing is you're gambling on
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Speaker 1: the upside and you're saying that this guy is going
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Speaker 1: to get better with more reps and opportunity. And so
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Speaker 1: with that experience, we feel like you'll develop enough expertise
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Speaker 1: to be able to be successful. It is Look, it's
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Speaker 1: the road dice, the road dice with anybody that you
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Speaker 1: put into the lineup, whether you you know, talking about
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Speaker 1: the top pick. Are those things. I think what the
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Speaker 1: ultimate gold is to build the best team. And we
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Speaker 1: kind of have to wait until we see all the
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Speaker 1: dominoes fall to see how they attack the team building
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Speaker 1: process so we can confidently say whether we believe they
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Speaker 1: built or they are presenting a better team, or if
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Speaker 1: this is a team that has a lot of questions. Still,
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Speaker 1: regardless of all the flury of activity, what about still
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Speaker 1: drafting an offensive tackle, keeping Cam on a one year tag,
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Speaker 1: playing Evan Kneel at guard for a year, beef it up,
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Speaker 1: and then kick him out if you don't resign Cam
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Speaker 1: to what you would hope is his long traditional left tackle,
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Speaker 1: the Jonathan Ogden plan. If you will buck, I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you feel good about the guys at the top
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Speaker 1: of the board, if you view any of these offensive tackles,
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Speaker 1: UH like that. Yeah, that's certainly an interesting plan. Um
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Speaker 1: I would say this, I would say after the combine
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Speaker 1: um rather than kind of penciling in Evan Neil for that,
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Speaker 1: I think you have to talk about ikyakwanu um and
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Speaker 1: maybe if you're gonna think about that kind of plan,
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Speaker 1: maybe Ikey a kwana we acause he's not quite like
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Speaker 1: the polished left tackle type in terms of justice playing
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Speaker 1: style and his refined technique. But he is a bit
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Speaker 1: of a bully um in the bar. He uh, he
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Speaker 1: certainly would be intriguing if you opted to go about
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Speaker 1: it that way. Wait a minute, but I think it's
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Speaker 1: a good option. Hold On, you just said something. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: you tore up your board. You just changed your whole board.
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Speaker 1: You just told me you never tear up a board.
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Speaker 1: Now you tear up your board. You put Ikey up top.
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't say that. I said
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Speaker 1: the conversation has to be that to put the conversation
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Speaker 1: in there. Like all those guys are closely graded, Ikey Kwanu,
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Speaker 1: Evin Neil, even Charles Cross, like they all are all
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Speaker 1: carried close grades. We're still trying to sort it out
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Speaker 1: as we're trying to get him in and he's moving. No,
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Speaker 1: we're just trying to get him in the neighborhood. I'm
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Speaker 1: not trying to get him in the house yet. I
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Speaker 1: got him too, April, I got to the end of
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Speaker 1: April to get him in the house. I just got
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Speaker 1: him in the neighborhood. Were behind the gated fin gated community.
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Speaker 1: We're in the gated community. Just in the house. Where
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Speaker 1: does the Aidan Hutchinson fall in your You know, among
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Speaker 1: those offensive linemen, if you were in your board right now,
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks big board after the combine is aiding up
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Speaker 1: there amongst those tackles. He's your guy, right But yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's a good guy man, He's he's everything that you want.
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Speaker 1: But I would say this and have an opportunity to
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Speaker 1: talk to all of those guys at the top. The
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Speaker 1: only one I didn't talk to was Cross. I talked
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Speaker 1: to Evan Neil, I talked to Ikey Kwanu, Aidan Hudsonson.
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Speaker 1: I taught the cavan. All of them are fairly good.
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Speaker 1: All of them are solid. All of them bring different things.
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Speaker 1: The offensive lineman, Evan Neil and Ikey Kwana they're very
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Speaker 1: mature and serious about their approach. Evan Neil to me,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of like the technician of the group. You
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Speaker 1: kind of know what you're getting. You know, whatever car
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Speaker 1: you want to do it. I know we don't have
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Speaker 1: sponsorship or whatever. But I would say, like it's just
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Speaker 1: a solid car that is going to go because normally
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Speaker 1: reference like a Honda or camera, like, hey, you just
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Speaker 1: put it in and run for two miles, But I
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Speaker 1: can't do that. So um like solid iky Kwana maybe
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Speaker 1: have more upside than all of them. But he's a
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Speaker 1: little more maller brawler type and so there could be
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Speaker 1: some growing pains that you experienced because he's not necessarily
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Speaker 1: as refined as you want him. But what he brings
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Speaker 1: is just a freakish athlete with outstanding mala brawler skills
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Speaker 1: and a nasty temperament that I mean, he changes kind
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Speaker 1: of the temperature and the climate of of your old
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Speaker 1: line room when he steps in there. Aidan Hutchinson to me,
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Speaker 1: is a mix of all those things. Like when I
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Speaker 1: talked to him and some of his teammates, they just
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Speaker 1: talked about how he was the point on the sword.
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Speaker 1: He's the unquestioned leader. His work ethic is look man,
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Speaker 1: it is unmatched and turns. The way that he says,
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Speaker 1: the tone, how he comes in the building, how he works,
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Speaker 1: how he plays, the effort that he displays in between
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Speaker 1: the lines, and those things that said, there are some
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Speaker 1: people that believe that he is what he is and
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Speaker 1: he may not get better. To me, I'm like, well,
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Speaker 1: at least I know what i'm getting. I'm getting a
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Speaker 1: very very good player. And then Cavon Tiper, though, is
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Speaker 1: the wild card because look, by his own admission, he
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Speaker 1: compared himself to Dadavian Clowney, which might not have been
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Speaker 1: the best comparison to put out there, right and in
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Speaker 1: terms of like the flashers skills, in terms of um
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Speaker 1: those things. He later came back and told me the
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Speaker 1: reason he made the comparison was he was trying to
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Speaker 1: best his numbers at the combine, not necessarily playing style.
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Speaker 1: But when you hear some of the stuff about him
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Speaker 1: and those things, people have wondered whether he'll play hard
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Speaker 1: enough consistently, whether he's maybe more preoccupied with the brand
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Speaker 1: and all of those things. That's it. He's a really
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Speaker 1: smart player, he's a really athletic player, and he is
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Speaker 1: a known commodity in terms of what he was able
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Speaker 1: to do on a big stage for three years at Oregon.
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Speaker 1: Of those guys, I would say, the safest pick to
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Speaker 1: me would be Aidan Hutchinson. But I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you could go wrong at the other guys as well.
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Speaker 1: they are big, Yes, and they're they're fast, and they're
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Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast. Bucky Brooks, John Osier, I'm j P. Shadrick.
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Speaker 1: Let's hear from general manager Trent Bulky. He sat down
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Speaker 1: at Radio Row this past week in Indianapolis at the
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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine with Ashman Sullivan and John Osier. Asked
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Speaker 1: about his approach to free agency. No, the plans aggressive.
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, again, the fan base expects it,
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Speaker 1: the fan base, but we're gonna be smart. We're not
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Speaker 1: just gonna go make a move to make it. Uh,
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Speaker 1: because the locker room and then and this is what
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Speaker 1: fans don't see a lot of times. You know, the
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Speaker 1: players in those locker rooms, they know what's going on,
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Speaker 1: and they know a good player from a bad player.
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Speaker 1: Turn on the film, they see it. So just because
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Speaker 1: you go out and make a splash and free agency
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Speaker 1: and everybody gets excited, how often do those players turn
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Speaker 1: out to be difference makers? And when the locker rooms
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Speaker 1: looking at it. And the big thing we have to
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Speaker 1: change in Jacksonville is when you look at our roster,
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Speaker 1: there's not enough players that are on their second contract
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Speaker 1: with the Jaguars. That's telling. And the only way to
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Speaker 1: change that is to draft good players, develop them. And
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Speaker 1: once you've developed them and they're they've established themselves is
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Speaker 1: keep them. Do everything you can to keep them because
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Speaker 1: they're hard to find. That that's Trent Blawky this past week,
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Speaker 1: Johnny were sitting right there. Yes I wasn't, you know.
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Speaker 1: I think that's what sort of caused me to start
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Speaker 1: thinking second contract. You know, if it's not h Cam
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Speaker 1: Robinson is probably DJ shark Um. So how are they
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Speaker 1: going to get to keeping second contract? Guys? You know
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Speaker 1: when jams and coaches speak at the combine, it's it's
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Speaker 1: in front of free agency, JP and and Bucky. So
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Speaker 1: you guys know, they tend to get kind of cryptic.
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Speaker 1: They'll talk about concepts and not specifics. To me, they
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Speaker 1: were talking about something when they were talking about bringing
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Speaker 1: guys back. So if they weren't going to do with
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Speaker 1: DJ Chark, then it probably to be Cam Robinson. So
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Speaker 1: that's why I started trying to piece together They've got
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Speaker 1: to be bringing somebody back. Yeah, well they've already tagged
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Speaker 1: Cama Robinson since then, so that leads us to the
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Speaker 1: DJ Shark story. He wasn't drafted by Baalky, But this
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Speaker 1: falls right in line with what you're saying. John Pending,
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Speaker 1: free agent, broke his ankle in Week four last year,
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Speaker 1: has a Pro Bowl on his belt, there's reports of
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Speaker 1: other teams interested in the marketplace should he come free
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Speaker 1: and and now all of a sudden, Bucky. There's an
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Speaker 1: Instagram story if you're into social media, reading all the
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Speaker 1: tea leaves and cryptic things that happened there. Well, yesterday
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, Chark was running routes with Trevor Lawrence at
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Speaker 1: Bishop Kenny High School just across the river here in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? Mm hmm I mean,
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Speaker 1: do they have a nice connection. It means that they
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Speaker 1: continue to try and build on the chemistry and all
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Speaker 1: of those things. I think the big thing would be,
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Speaker 1: you know, what does Trevor feel about d J? Chart Like,
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Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to see that connection really,
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Speaker 1: so how does Trevor feel about him? Does he really
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Speaker 1: view him as a number one a trusted guy, because
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Speaker 1: you know, the quarterbacks voice carries weight in the building.
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Speaker 1: And then the other part will be what does DJ
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Speaker 1: Chark looking for financially in this deal? Coming off of
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Speaker 1: two seasons in which one of the production wasn't wasn't
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Speaker 1: at a high level and then he had injuries. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what his market is, you know. And I
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Speaker 1: know we can get excited about him because we're kind
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Speaker 1: of kind of glued to him because the Jags are
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Speaker 1: a team. But where does he stack up in comparison
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Speaker 1: to some of the other great receivers around the league?
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Speaker 1: That ultimately set the market and that will determine how
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Speaker 1: much money is needed to bring him back. Sure, you
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Speaker 1: would like Trevor to have a trusted targets, someone that
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Speaker 1: he can lean on, someone that he's kind of built
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Speaker 1: chemistry with, But I think it all comes down to
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Speaker 1: the price. If the price is right, hey you do
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Speaker 1: it again. If not, you may have to find another
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Speaker 1: player that can be the number one. Another price is
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Speaker 1: right right, another one. He's dropped him here again coming up.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's my favorite. I do like plink, like,
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Speaker 1: let's take it down, And I just wanted that in
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Speaker 1: the the Mountain Climber. I'm pretty good at here's a
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Speaker 1: couple of thoughts on that. Um, there's nothing wrong with
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Speaker 1: bringing DJ Chark back. I think even at a good number,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with it. I believe he's going to
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Speaker 1: be a better player year five through eight then he
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Speaker 1: was year one through four. I don't know if he's
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Speaker 1: a one. As soon as we get too caught up
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Speaker 1: in w R one a is Bucky likes to say.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's got a chance to be
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Speaker 1: a really, really good player, Like but he said, the
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Speaker 1: number has to be right. The more I think about
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Speaker 1: the DJ Chark story, UM, I don't know if he's
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Speaker 1: Trevor's guy, but they spent some time together last summer.
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Speaker 1: Trevor's a good guy. Um. From DJ Chark's point of view,
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Speaker 1: why would you, uh, why would you post that or
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Speaker 1: have that posted or want that out there if you
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Speaker 1: weren't coming back to the Jags and working. Trevor Lawrence, Well,
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Speaker 1: he's sustained a serious broken ankle in September. You're ten
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Speaker 1: days away from free agency. Put it out there that
17:40
Speaker 1: you can run running around. Absolutely so. I mean I
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Speaker 1: think that, uh the note on it said slowly but
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Speaker 1: surely was what he put on there. But getting it
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Speaker 1: out there that through it, I think it is more
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Speaker 1: of it. It strikes me. I don't think d have
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Speaker 1: any problem with coming back, But it strikes me that
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Speaker 1: that's more of a let's get it out there that
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Speaker 1: I'm healthy than any sort of cryptic sign that he's
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Speaker 1: coming back to the Jags automatically. I mean, I said
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Speaker 1: it over and over again. I hope he's back. I
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Speaker 1: think he's a good kid, good for the organization. I
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Speaker 1: hope they can make it work. I think they'd like
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Speaker 1: to make it work. But it's a tricky deal financially.
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Speaker 1: We'll see. Next couple of weeks will be big, of course,
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Speaker 1: free agency officially and the start of the league year Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: four o'clock next week a week from today. Massive quarterback
18:28
Speaker 1: news around the NFL. Russell Wilson on the move. Aaron
18:31
Speaker 1: Rodgers is not. Apparently that's after this. Welcome back to
18:36
Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast with Bucky Brooks and John Osier.
18:39
Speaker 1: I'm J. P. Shadrick. The Dailies play schedule filling out
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Speaker 1: for the spring and summer. John, You're gonna be busy
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Speaker 1: Brothers Osborne April eight, Little Dirk April nineteen, Tim McGraw
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Speaker 1: May five, Ericapado with job Rule and Goody Mob. That's
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Speaker 1: May six, The Offspring May seven, Two Nights to the
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Speaker 1: Lumineers May Sting, May twentieth, Chicago May twenty second, The
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Speaker 1: Dooey Brothers with Michael McDonald June five, and all the
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Speaker 1: information at Daily's Place dot com. Any of those stand out,
19:09
Speaker 1: John h Yeah, I mean the old guy, uh, Michael McDonald,
19:14
Speaker 1: that's right in your wheelhouse, Chicago Brothers and yeah. But
19:22
Speaker 1: but in my defense, I could name you four or
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Speaker 1: five Offspring songs they had to run there in the nineties.
19:29
Speaker 1: Now that's old too, now, I mean that's the problem
19:32
Speaker 1: to me. The Offspring are the young punk band that
19:38
Speaker 1: it got popular off the backs of the punk bands
19:41
Speaker 1: that I really really liked, you know, now, JP. The
19:44
Speaker 1: problem is I'm not only the old Doobie Brothers guy.
19:47
Speaker 1: I'm the old get off my lawn punk rocker guy
19:50
Speaker 1: old and double old. Yeah, so I've got nothing for
19:54
Speaker 1: you with that Jah rule. I think that's not on
19:57
Speaker 1: my part. I wonder I think Celos with Goody Bob again, Bucky,
20:00
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we can go see good May six.
20:05
Speaker 1: I just wrote it down to my captain there Atlanta
20:08
Speaker 1: with Eric's the lead, and then there's there's yeah, so
20:16
Speaker 1: we can do it. We can do a few different things.
20:17
Speaker 1: What else you like in there, Bucky? Anything I left out?
20:20
Speaker 1: Dave Matthews Band, They're coming in June two nights, wait lead, Yeah, right,
20:28
Speaker 1: I need to work some sources for those shows. Wow,
20:34
Speaker 1: sold out in like ten minutes. I don't know if
20:35
Speaker 1: it's sold out, but in theory they do all the time. Yeah,
20:38
Speaker 1: they're they're not my guys, but they they do. Indeed,
20:43
Speaker 1: apparently Bucky's into them as well. And we'll try to
20:46
Speaker 1: get that done Bucky that. I don't know if that's
20:48
Speaker 1: in the contract or what will work on that. M
20:50
Speaker 1: Tuesday obviously a significant newsday in the NFL IS franchise
20:53
Speaker 1: Tag deadline Day eight teams tagged franchise players around the league,
20:58
Speaker 1: of course, including the Jaguars. We mentioned that earlier, but
21:01
Speaker 1: that news was quickly overshadowed by massive quarterback news. First,
21:06
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee announced on his show that Aaron Rodgers is
21:08
Speaker 1: coming back to the Packers. Later, the initial numbers came
21:11
Speaker 1: out four years, two hundred million, much of that guaranteed.
21:14
Speaker 1: Rodgers later said that the numbers weren't exactly accurate, but
21:17
Speaker 1: confirmed he will be with the Green Bay Packers. Bucky,
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Speaker 1: it's a miracle they figured it out. He's staying in
21:24
Speaker 1: Green Bay. It is a miracle they have figured it out.
21:28
Speaker 1: He's standing in Green Bay. And the numbers that they're
21:31
Speaker 1: banting about, uh, four year, two hundred million dollar extension
21:35
Speaker 1: reportedly with a hundred and fifty three million and guaranteed money.
21:40
Speaker 1: It's significant. It pushes the quarterback market, which we want
21:44
Speaker 1: to pay attention to for the quarterbacks. Fifty million per
21:49
Speaker 1: there's a lot, I mean, that's a lot of green
21:52
Speaker 1: that's a lot of Lettus for quarterbacks. Now. It changes
21:55
Speaker 1: the dynamic. And what would be interesting because once Rogers
21:58
Speaker 1: does that, and you know, Russell is gonna get paid
22:01
Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson and all these other guys that kind
22:04
Speaker 1: of start getting in line to get their money, and
22:07
Speaker 1: so just makes it for an interesting thing in a
22:10
Speaker 1: couple of years when we have to look at the
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Speaker 1: Trevor situation. It does it pushes the market. And uh,
22:18
Speaker 1: you know, I'll say this as the old guy again, Um,
22:22
Speaker 1: knowing this never happens. Uh, teams have to be smart,
22:27
Speaker 1: but it's hard to be smart. I the packers, painter
22:31
Speaker 1: and Rodgers, whatever he wants. Absolutely, he he's proven it.
22:37
Speaker 1: I you know with pretty strong conviction that if you
22:40
Speaker 1: pay him fifty million dollars a year, you've got a
22:43
Speaker 1: pretty good swing at going twelve and four and and
22:46
Speaker 1: being in the conversation at the end, Um, do you
22:51
Speaker 1: feel that as strongly if you feel that at ten?
22:56
Speaker 1: Where do you feel it? On Russell, Wilson and eight?
22:59
Speaker 1: I and Russell is really really good? Do you feel
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Speaker 1: that he's getting you twelve by himself? Like I mean,
23:06
Speaker 1: it's never by himself. But you know my point, it's
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Speaker 1: a guarantee. It's almost a guarantee with Aaron Rodgers, almost
23:11
Speaker 1: guarantee with Tom Brady, I Jackson, Russell maybe a little
23:17
Speaker 1: bit below that, but they're gonna get paid like it
23:20
Speaker 1: at some point, so it's gonna push that market um
23:24
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you've got your Kyler
23:25
Speaker 1: Murray's where it's all being pushed on assumption. But that's
23:30
Speaker 1: also gonna be raised by Aaron Rodgers. So as Bucky,
23:33
Speaker 1: like say, Bucky loves his sayings, I'm sure he's gonna
23:36
Speaker 1: come back with me right now. The rising tides raise
23:39
Speaker 1: all boats, if you will. That's what's going on, and
23:42
Speaker 1: it's it's not a good thing, but there's good and
23:46
Speaker 1: bad ramifications of any contract like that. Well, then the Broncos,
23:49
Speaker 1: of course, later on Tuesday, the thought about Russell Wilson
23:54
Speaker 1: with the blockbuster trade apparently going down to Wilson in
23:58
Speaker 1: the sixth round pick going to the Bencos in exchange
24:01
Speaker 1: for the following get your pencil and scorecard ready, Drew Lock,
24:05
Speaker 1: Noah Fan, Shelby Harris, two first round picks, two second
24:10
Speaker 1: round picks, and a fifth round pick. That's in theory
24:14
Speaker 1: eight players if they pick all the picks. And of
24:17
Speaker 1: course the Seahawks later cut Bobby Wagner, so it's full
24:19
Speaker 1: rebuild mode in Seattle. But the Broncos are going all
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Speaker 1: in on the quarterback. Here's the thing that cracked me up.
24:26
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and a sixth round pick. Just to balance
24:31
Speaker 1: it out, the scout guy and all picks are all
24:34
Speaker 1: picks are valuable. But that's basically like, hey, we'll send
24:38
Speaker 1: you Russell Wilson. Oh and I see your iPhones broken.
24:41
Speaker 1: Here's the case. Yeah, that's that's exactly what That's exactly
24:46
Speaker 1: what happened. They're like, oh yeah, well, well well sweeten it. Yeah,
24:52
Speaker 1: I gotta have one more thing to make it right. Look, man,
24:55
Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing is some of this is
25:00
Speaker 1: the fallout or the reaction to what the Rams were
25:04
Speaker 1: able to do successfully and winning a Super Bowl. Back
25:06
Speaker 1: to back years. We've seen two teams that have made
25:09
Speaker 1: major moves at quarterback. They were able to parlay those
25:12
Speaker 1: moves into championships. And so because of that, it is
25:17
Speaker 1: created maybe a new team building model where people are
25:20
Speaker 1: going very aggressively to get the franchise quarterback that they
25:23
Speaker 1: believe can take them over the top. And so with
25:27
Speaker 1: Russo going to the Denver Broncos, it changes the narrative.
25:31
Speaker 1: Now I'll sit here and say I don't know if
25:34
Speaker 1: Russell is good enough to lead the Broncos to even
25:38
Speaker 1: winning that division. In the division which you have Patrick Mahomes,
25:41
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, you have Darrek Carr. I don't know where
25:44
Speaker 1: he stacks in that division. I don't even know if
25:46
Speaker 1: he's the second best quarterback in a division with Justin Herbert.
25:49
Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting because now everybody in the
25:53
Speaker 1: a f C has to begin to gear for an
25:56
Speaker 1: arms race at quarterback. Because in the a f C
26:00
Speaker 1: you have Josh Allen that we're talking about, you have
26:02
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson who's been an m v P. You have
26:05
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow who just took his team to the Super Bowl. Um,
26:09
Speaker 1: I mean the quarterback play in the a f C
26:13
Speaker 1: is amazing. Just the NFC West alone, Now I mean
26:16
Speaker 1: that the entire division. I mean like it's it's a lot.
26:21
Speaker 1: We don't know what's going to eventually happen with Deshaun Watson,
26:24
Speaker 1: but I mean you're talking about an arms race where Now,
26:27
Speaker 1: for the Jaguars perspective, you have to look at that
26:31
Speaker 1: and you have to build your team ultimately with those
26:34
Speaker 1: teams in mind, how are you going to win shootouts
26:38
Speaker 1: against those quarterbacks in this conference? But question speaking your
26:43
Speaker 1: arms race or team building. I do have a question
26:47
Speaker 1: that I wanted to get to the top with Bucky,
26:48
Speaker 1: but I don't want to let it sort of slide.
26:51
Speaker 1: Bucky on on one of your Move the Sticks podcast,
26:57
Speaker 1: and yes I do listen to Buck even when he's
26:59
Speaker 1: not in this shop. I fluked into it. It's not
27:04
Speaker 1: a habit. I didn't one. You made a fascinating comment
27:09
Speaker 1: to me, and uh, I liked your cynicism a little bit,
27:13
Speaker 1: and I felt like maybe I'm rubbing off on you
27:15
Speaker 1: a little bit when you talk about when you talked
27:19
Speaker 1: about the speed we saw at the combine this week,
27:23
Speaker 1: and that was the other topic, was the speed. I
27:26
Speaker 1: sensed from listening to you that you were impressed with
27:30
Speaker 1: the speed at wide receiver. But something bothered you about
27:34
Speaker 1: this wide receiver class. Can you expand on it? It
27:38
Speaker 1: seems like you were seeing through some sort of facade,
27:42
Speaker 1: not necessarily a facade, but here here's what I would
27:45
Speaker 1: say that a lot of guys ran fast in a
27:46
Speaker 1: straight line. But normally when you're evaluating players and you're
27:50
Speaker 1: doing the testing part of it, typically if you run fast,
27:53
Speaker 1: you also jump high because it correlates with the overall
27:56
Speaker 1: explosiveness that an athlete had the issue with the wide
28:00
Speaker 1: receiver class that we saw a lot of these guys
28:02
Speaker 1: ran fast in the straight line, but we didn't have
28:05
Speaker 1: many guys that jumped verticals over thirty five and they
28:08
Speaker 1: didn't pop broad jumps that were over ten three ten five.
28:12
Speaker 1: And whether it signifies is one, they're not really explosive
28:16
Speaker 1: in the lower body. And so the straight line guys
28:18
Speaker 1: that have been kind of working on the straight line speed,
28:20
Speaker 1: that's great, but they don't necessarily have um some of
28:25
Speaker 1: the explosives that you want to see in the lower body.
28:28
Speaker 1: The other thing is all these guys that were running fast,
28:31
Speaker 1: they were all lightweights of flyweightsight pounds, Yeah, little dudes,
28:39
Speaker 1: And we said this, hey man, there's a reason why
28:42
Speaker 1: you don't put middle weights in the ring with heavyweights.
28:45
Speaker 1: You don't win the slug fest. And when you look
28:48
Speaker 1: at the postseason, those wide receivers that were having success
28:51
Speaker 1: in the teams that were having success were bigger, faster, stronger.
28:55
Speaker 1: And so while I respect and appreciate all the speed
28:58
Speaker 1: that was on display when the wide receiver drills, I
29:02
Speaker 1: want bigger wide receivers. I want bigger corners. It's a
29:04
Speaker 1: big man's game, and it's hard for little guys to
29:07
Speaker 1: survive over the course of a seventeen game regular season.
29:11
Speaker 1: It's just harder. It's just harder to win with smaller
29:13
Speaker 1: guys on the perimeter. How many teams are looking for
29:15
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill right now? Though, Bucky uh Tyreek Hill put no, No,
29:24
Speaker 1: he's out, but like he's built like a running back.
29:27
Speaker 1: So he's a little squatty. I think he's closer to
29:29
Speaker 1: two pounds he's one right now, but he is explosive
29:34
Speaker 1: his jumps and all this stuff. Everyone right now is
29:36
Speaker 1: looking for Deebo Samuel and they're looking for the A. J.
29:39
Speaker 1: Brown types and the Jamaar chases. And when you look
29:42
Speaker 1: at the way those guys are built and the way
29:44
Speaker 1: they run through contact and tackles and all of that stuff,
29:48
Speaker 1: they're looking for guys that they have a little something
29:51
Speaker 1: to them. And so I think that's the bigger thing.
29:53
Speaker 1: And the other thing is on the other side of
29:56
Speaker 1: the ball, you're looking for dbs who can tackle get
29:59
Speaker 1: guys down in space. Because it showed up in the postseason.
30:01
Speaker 1: If your team can tackle, you can't play not only
30:03
Speaker 1: against the running game, but against the passing act, so
30:06
Speaker 1: you have to have those guys. But overall, I was
30:09
Speaker 1: impressed with the athleticism in the other positions, like watching
30:12
Speaker 1: the D line group go the edge rushes and D tackles.
30:16
Speaker 1: It's crazy to see these three plus pounders move around
30:20
Speaker 1: like they're moving around on the turf. That is something
30:24
Speaker 1: that you we're just not used to seeing. Before we
30:27
Speaker 1: close out, give me one guy, buck, Um, I'm convinced
30:32
Speaker 1: they've got to go wide receiver at thirty three or
30:34
Speaker 1: somewhere in the trade up. You know, you know what's
30:38
Speaker 1: what actually happens. Feel right now? Um, who's your guy there?
30:43
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sick with the guy that I've been kind
30:45
Speaker 1: of championed the whole time. There's a kid from Perdue
30:48
Speaker 1: named David Bill who, to me is a number one
30:54
Speaker 1: receiver that you can get outside of the first round. Uh.
30:58
Speaker 1: Not quite what Allen Robinson is, but very similar in
31:01
Speaker 1: terms of how he plays. A complete receiver that runs
31:06
Speaker 1: the intermediate part of the route, tree, consistent hands and
31:09
Speaker 1: break tackles and do all the things that you expect
31:12
Speaker 1: your lead receiver to be able to do. Top of
31:15
Speaker 1: the second round, I'm all over him. Uh, but they're
31:18
Speaker 1: gonna be some other guys like I think the Arkansas
31:20
Speaker 1: kids is gonna eventually drop out the first round. Trailin Brooks. Uh,
31:24
Speaker 1: he's a bigger kid. Uh. He weighed in at two
31:29
Speaker 1: five I think, but report a bird. Bertie told me
31:34
Speaker 1: that it might have been a little heavier when he
31:36
Speaker 1: showed up to his training facility, So that worries me
31:39
Speaker 1: a little bit. But um s size and I think
31:42
Speaker 1: when you're building this team out for Trevor, let's go
31:45
Speaker 1: back and look at the guys that he had around
31:47
Speaker 1: him at Clemson. He wasn't throwing the ball to a
31:51
Speaker 1: bunch of little pip squeaks. You have some big guys
31:54
Speaker 1: on the outside that they were thrown too. Because what
31:56
Speaker 1: it does when you have bigger guys outside, you can
31:58
Speaker 1: throw up some of those balls and win because superior
32:01
Speaker 1: size and length and athleticism tends to win out in
32:05
Speaker 1: those situations. It'll do it. For the Huddle Up Podcast today, Bucky,
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Speaker 1: what do you have coming up this week? Oh man,
32:13
Speaker 1: it's a fantastic week. Man. A lot of stuff on
32:14
Speaker 1: the plate, dude, JP just reacting to all these quarterback
32:19
Speaker 1: moves and cre agency and tags and all of that stuff.
32:23
Speaker 1: You know, trying to get my draft plans right. You're
32:26
Speaker 1: redoing your board. It sounds like, I mean that's what
32:28
Speaker 1: it sounds. No, no, no, the board, the board. The
32:29
Speaker 1: board stays pretty good. System like it makes my tweets,
32:32
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, some tweaks, JP like, you
32:34
Speaker 1: don't change the recipe. You just may add a little
32:38
Speaker 1: dash of pepper here, a little solid the regular look
32:40
Speaker 1: like little stuff, you know. Okay. And for people who
32:43
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm dipping into your order lit bit JPM
32:47
Speaker 1: doing a tease. Bucky will be on our draft coverage
32:50
Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com. It's here and so that's uh
32:54
Speaker 1: something look forward to it. I know we're a ways
32:56
Speaker 1: out from that. That's a new Wrinkles show and uh
32:59
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna be great. And he'll be helping us,
33:01
Speaker 1: uh leading up to the draft so absolutely as he
33:04
Speaker 1: always does. And we're looking forward to expanding a little
33:07
Speaker 1: more love more Bucky's that's obviously hard quarterfied more Bucky
33:13
Speaker 1: less us. Yeah, that's right, that's that's that's our man.
33:17
Speaker 1: Should be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to
33:18
Speaker 1: getting them more pick eyeballs on the number one pick.
33:20
Speaker 1: But eyeballs, well plenty of them. That's Bucky Brooks for
33:24
Speaker 1: John Osier and Joe Fortunado. Our producer, I'm J. P. Shadwick.
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Speaker 1: We will catch you next time on the Huddle Up Podcast.