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Mommy Boozes @ Hotel Bar as Tot-Daughter Drowns in Hotel Pool · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace. A beautiful seven year old
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Speaker 1: little girl drowns and a hotel pool. Where's mommy drinking
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Speaker 1: at the bar? On Nancy Grace, This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: in Sirius XM one eleven. Exactly how did little Caitlin
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Speaker 1: lose her life drowning in a hotel pool? Nobody was
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Speaker 1: there to watch her? What the hey, where's mommy drunk
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Speaker 1: in the bottle? As we say at the hotel bar? Guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at WABC also know
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Speaker 1: this morning.
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Speaker 2: Suffolk County Police are investigating after a seven year old
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Speaker 2: girl was found unresponsive in a hotel pool. Official say
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Speaker 2: a family member found Caitlin Paneda at the Marriotte Melville
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Speaker 2: Long Island Hotel yesterday afternoon. The child was taken to
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Speaker 2: the hospital in critical condition. She was then transferred to
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Speaker 2: Cohen Children's Medical Center in Queen's and Moore.
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Speaker 1: Nar cut one from crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 3: It was forty eight degrees outside on January thirteenth the
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Speaker 3: Melville Long Island and Erica BIA's daughter Caitlin wanted to swim,
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Speaker 3: an unusual request normally, but at this particular moment not
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Speaker 3: so much. They were staying at the Melville, Long Island
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Speaker 3: Marriott Hotel, where the indoor pool was perfect for swimming.
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Speaker 3: The pool wasn't open and there was no lifeguard on duty,
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Speaker 3: so Erica Bias asked the staff if they could open
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Speaker 3: the pool so they could swim. The staff said, since
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Speaker 3: there was no lifeguard on duty, her daughter could not
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Speaker 3: be in the pool by herself. She would need to
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Speaker 3: stay with her daughter at all times in the pool area.
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Speaker 3: Bias agreed, and little Caitlin was able to hop in and.
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Speaker 1: Swim with us an all star panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now? Well, but first to
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Speaker 1: Ash Short, senior editor for the Daily Wire at dailywire
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Speaker 1: dot com and you can find Ash on Twitter at
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Speaker 1: Ash show scchow her maiden name Ash. Thanks for being
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Speaker 1: with us. What happened?
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Speaker 4: Well, So this was.
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Speaker 5: January thirteenth, twenty twenty two. And this is a Marriott hotel, right,
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Speaker 5: this was a this is a three star hotel, the
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Speaker 5: nice hotel. They let her daughter into the pool and
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Speaker 5: mom says.
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Speaker 6: A watch her.
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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, Erica Bias has a five month old son that
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Speaker 5: she left alone in the hotel room. So five month
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Speaker 5: old boy left alone in the hotel room. Seven year
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Speaker 5: old girl left alone at the pool while mom goes
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Speaker 5: to the bar allegedly to have alcoholic beverages. After thirty minutes,
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Speaker 5: Bias went to check on her daughter and then left
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Speaker 5: her again and went to check on the baby, then
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Speaker 5: allegedly returned to the hotel bar, had another alcoholic beverage,
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Speaker 5: and left her daughter in the pool again for another
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Speaker 5: thirty minutes, But this time, when Bias went to check
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Speaker 5: on the little girl, she found her quote floating lifeless
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Speaker 5: in the pool, according to the district attorney, But instead
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Speaker 5: of leaping right in to get her daughter, Bias took
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Speaker 5: her time, allegedly removing her shoes and socks and making
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Speaker 5: sure her phone wouldn't get wet before jumping in to
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Speaker 5: save her daughter.
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Speaker 1: Right right, Ash Short, Senior editor Daily Wire. I knew everything,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't know about the shoes and the socks
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Speaker 1: and the fun. Would you just tell me, Ash, if
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Speaker 1: you don't mind, just start at the beginning. Sometimes I
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Speaker 1: have to hear things more than once. I want to
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Speaker 1: hear every single fact, because you know, James shell Nutt,
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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction
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Speaker 1: over twenty years on Metro major case detective former swat
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Speaker 1: at Shell not law Firm dot Com. No fact, shall
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Speaker 1: nutt is too small. No fact is too small. Right
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Speaker 1: down to what ass Short just told us about. She
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Speaker 1: went to go get some drinks, checked on the children, went, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm Thursday again. It's only been thirty minutes.
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Speaker 1: But boy am I Thursday? Okay, shall Nut, that's an
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Speaker 1: important fact. Would you agree?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 1: I would agree.
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Speaker 7: It shows that shows the middle intent of her as
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Speaker 7: far as being selfish and not have any concern what's
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Speaker 7: delivered for these children and what you just.
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Speaker 1: Said, lack of concern. I'm not talking about a murder
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Speaker 1: one premeditated with mensrea malice of forethought. I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: felony neglect and a death occurs during that felony, which
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Speaker 1: would make this a felony murder charge. So back to
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Speaker 1: ash Short, joining us for the Daily Wire, where she
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Speaker 1: is senior editor. Ash I want to hear this, Socks
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Speaker 1: and She's part again. But if you don't mind, I
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Speaker 1: want to hear every detail one more time while I
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Speaker 1: work on my flow chart. Go ahead, start at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: all right, why are they in a hotel anyway? Why
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Speaker 1: were they there?
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Speaker 5: So her and her eric Obia's and her boyfriend were
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Speaker 5: staying at the hotel. He worked nearby, and so he
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Speaker 5: went to work, leaving her with the seven year old
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Speaker 5: and the five month old.
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Speaker 1: So like a staycation, you know what. We had a
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Speaker 1: staycation once we were in Atlanta, and it was when
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Speaker 1: Harry and Megan were getting married. And you know, they
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Speaker 1: get by their first names only, like Sheer or Elvis.
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Speaker 1: Harry and Megan are getting married, and my children, you know,
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Speaker 1: we're all about royals. What are they? So we went
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Speaker 1: and bunked up at a fancy hotel where they had
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Speaker 1: a pool that was the big draw, and we got
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Speaker 1: up at some crazy hour of the morning to watch
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Speaker 1: the entire wedding frequented by jumping in the pool. So
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Speaker 1: they're at a staycation at this and I've looked inside
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Speaker 1: the hotel. It's pretty nice. I have to, like a Marriott,
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Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the pool. It's bright and sparkly.
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Speaker 1: It's indoors, and it's the kind of pool where the
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Speaker 1: room A lot many of the rooms it's multi tiered.
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Speaker 1: I know that there are four levels, but many of
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Speaker 1: the rooms have balconies that look not outside, but the
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Speaker 1: balconies on the inside of the hotel, and it looks
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Speaker 1: down on the pool and people walking around, like instead
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Speaker 1: of looking outside at the trees or the beach or whatever,
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Speaker 1: you look you open your sliding glass doors. All the
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Speaker 1: rooms have a balcony and they all look down on
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Speaker 1: the pool and then overhead. It's not exposed to the elements,
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Speaker 1: so you can never get rained on. They've got panels windows,
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Speaker 1: like a cathedral top roof of window panels, so you
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Speaker 1: can be in the pool and look up at the sky,
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Speaker 1: you know, like the sunroof in your car like that.
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Speaker 1: So it's a pretty nice setup. Not as nice when
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Speaker 1: I imagine a little girl floating around in it. Lifeless.
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Speaker 1: But that said, start at the beginning, Ash, and everyone
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Speaker 1: jump in when you have a question for Ash. Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, dear, So I'm just all started.
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Speaker 5: About three point thirty pm, January thirteenth, two.
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Speaker 1: Happy hour, Okay, right.
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Speaker 4: When Iyas allegedly asked the hotel staff to open this
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Speaker 4: indoor pool so Caitlin could swim, but the workers warned
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Speaker 4: her that there was no life guard on duty and
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Speaker 4: she'd have to stay with her daughter.
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Speaker 5: Now this is something that also kind of confuses me
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Speaker 5: as Nancy, as you said, but set up at this
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Speaker 5: pool the.
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Speaker 8: Way the balconies owns that nobody from the hotel or
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Speaker 8: anyone staying there notice that this girl was alone, that
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Speaker 8: her mother had left her for so long.
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Speaker 5: I mean to me, that's also seemed I mean January thirteenth,
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Speaker 5: probably a slow time, but it's also nobody saw this.
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Speaker 5: But anyway, Bias allegedly left Caitlin to go to the
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Speaker 5: bar having that drink, and she left her daughter alone
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Speaker 5: in the pool for a thirty minute. According to prosecutors, Bias,
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Speaker 5: after this time then checked on her daughter, but then
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Speaker 5: left her alone again and went back to their hotel
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Speaker 5: room to check on her five month old son.
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Speaker 4: Who she had also.
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Speaker 5: Left alone to go drinking at the bar. So after
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Speaker 5: checking on the daughter, after checking on the sun, Bias decides,
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Speaker 5: as Nancy said, that she's thirsty again, goes to the
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Speaker 5: hotel bar to have a second cocktail, and she leaves
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Speaker 5: her daughter alone in the pool for another thirty minutes.
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Speaker 5: But this time, when BIA's went to check on Caitlin,
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Speaker 5: she found her floating lifeless in the pool. According to
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Speaker 5: the disk at the tree, but instead of jumping right
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Speaker 5: in to save her daughter, who's just floating there upside down,
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Speaker 5: not moving, Bias allegedly removes her shoes, her socks, makes
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Speaker 5: sure her phone walk get wet, and then gets Caitlin
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Speaker 5: out of the pool. Now, when I was a little kid,
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Speaker 5: I almost drowned in a pool. My dad jumped in,
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Speaker 5: fully clothed with his watch, ruining his watch to save
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Speaker 5: me without even thinking so. The fact that she's there
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Speaker 5: taking off her shoes, taking off her sock, you know,
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Speaker 5: doesn't want to get those things wet before taking her
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Speaker 5: lifeless daughter.
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Speaker 6: Out of the pool.
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Speaker 5: Now, after this, first responders arrived and Ban allegedly lied
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Speaker 5: to them. Thanks, she don't only less katelind for five minutes.
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Speaker 5: By the time the first responders got there, Katelyn was
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Speaker 5: in cardiac arrest. She had no pull. Mts were able
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Speaker 5: to revive her, but she was left with irreversible brain
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Speaker 5: damage due to lack of oxygen and she had to
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Speaker 5: be placed on a ventilator and feeding tube for a
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Speaker 5: year after this incident, and she died on May first
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Speaker 5: of this year.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. Yeah, short, I've got so
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Speaker 1: many questions. But my first question is have you ever
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Speaker 1: considered being a lawyer?
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Speaker 8: Briefly?
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Speaker 1: Wow, you can really lay out the facts because you
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Speaker 1: know what I think, and I don't know if shell
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Speaker 1: Nott agrees or not. When I would argue cases to
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Speaker 1: the Georgia Supreme Court or the Court of Appeals, we
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Speaker 1: actually had at the podium a red light, a yellow light,
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Speaker 1: and a green light. You know, only the person arguing
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Speaker 1: to the court could see them right on your podium,
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Speaker 1: and you'd start and it'd be green, and then a
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Speaker 1: yellow would come up after X number of minutes, and
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Speaker 1: then read and when it hit red, a bailiff would
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Speaker 1: remove you if you would not sit down very strict
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Speaker 1: And I firmly believed, as I did when I wrote
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Speaker 1: briefs or argue to a petit jury of twelve, that
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Speaker 1: you get in the facts. The facts run the case.
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Speaker 1: Of course, the law's imported too, but the facts rule
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Speaker 1: the case. And the way you just recited those facts,
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Speaker 1: you said it all. But I want to follow up
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Speaker 1: on a note. One thing you said that you almost
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Speaker 1: droned in a pool. I almost droned in a pool
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Speaker 1: and then later in the lake. But in the pool
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Speaker 1: I was playing a game. It was a game you
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Speaker 1: play when you jump rope, and it was Donald Duck.
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Speaker 1: It's a one legged a one legged noe. You start up, yeah,
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Speaker 1: one legged duck, and you jump on one foot. Then
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Speaker 1: you say, he's a two legged duck, and you jump
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Speaker 1: on both feet, and then you say a three legged duck,
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Speaker 1: and you put one hand down between each jump, and
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Speaker 1: then four legged. By the time you know, if you
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Speaker 1: can jump rope putting both hands down, you're pretty good. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: I had decided for some reason to do it on
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Speaker 1: the steps of a pool, and right in the middle
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Speaker 1: of Donald Duck was the one legged I jump off
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Speaker 1: unwillingly into a deeper part wasn't ready for it, and
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Speaker 1: swallowed in a lot of water and went down. And
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Speaker 1: I still remember seeing my mother leap up out of
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Speaker 1: her chair and jump in clothes, her hair. That's what
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Speaker 1: people would have, this beautiful befont hairdoo. She had her
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Speaker 1: hair done, her clothes, her shoes, her everything. Jumped right
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Speaker 1: in that pool and drag me out.
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Speaker 5: That's the natural response of a parent when you're more.
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Speaker 7: Concerned about other people than yourself.
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Speaker 1: Hey, I appreciate that, unrequested at unsolicited psychiatric analysis. You
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Speaker 1: just gave she'll nutt. But let's go to doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: who are now a psychiatrists joining us out of the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie,
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Speaker 1: I remember the twins were having swim classes and I
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Speaker 1: had run over to Chalyn and tape something. It was
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Speaker 1: during the day, so it had to be a surprise
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Speaker 1: tape because the program was at night. And I raced
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Speaker 1: back to the pool and my husband was there watching
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Speaker 1: the instructor. Right as I walked up to the pool.
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Speaker 1: Don't think I would leave them alone with a swim instructor.
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Speaker 1: To note, right as I walked up, I heard Lucy
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Speaker 1: scray money well, I had on everything and all that
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Speaker 1: hair and lakeup and fake everything, jump right in the
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Speaker 1: pool and swam out to her. Of course, the swim
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Speaker 1: instructures like, why am I chop liver? I'm just standing
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Speaker 1: right here. Anyway, There's just something that takes over. But
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Speaker 1: not with this.
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Speaker 9: Mom and Nancy.
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Speaker 10: There's something else that I want to point out about this.
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Speaker 10: This mother has a five month old baby. When people
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Speaker 10: are that early in the postpartum, Oh.
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Speaker 1: No, are you going with postpartum depression.
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Speaker 10: No, I'm not waiting till you hear what I have
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Speaker 10: to say.
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Speaker 1: Oh Lord, go ahead.
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Speaker 10: Something kicks in and mothers become very they're OCD. Their
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Speaker 10: obsessive compulsive disorder kicks in such that they can hear
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Speaker 10: the baby cry more than the father can, so that
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Speaker 10: they can pay attention to the baby.
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Speaker 9: What was this turned off inside of this woman?
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Speaker 10: We would say, think that with a woman who is
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Speaker 10: five months postpartum, she would have more care and concern
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Speaker 10: for her children, that she would be hyper alert to
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Speaker 10: the care and concern of her children, more so than
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Speaker 10: mothers who are not postpartum. Okay, so that wasn't even
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Speaker 10: turned on inside of her? Like, what is wrong with
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Speaker 10: this woman?
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Speaker 6: Right?
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Speaker 10: She's a complete and utter psychopath. There's no woman on
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Speaker 10: the face of this earth that would not jump in,
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Speaker 10: like you said. And who leaves their baby at a
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Speaker 10: pool unattended?
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Speaker 5: You know?
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Speaker 1: And that brings to mind the five months old? Yes,
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Speaker 1: who is wait? Is it five months or five weeks?
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Speaker 1: Five months? Correct? The boy?
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Speaker 7: Five months?
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Speaker 1: Okay? Thanks Ash. There is a universal law that when
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Speaker 1: you turn your back on a child, something's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: We were in our apartment in New York, and I
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Speaker 1: would bathe each twin separately. Okay, so they couldn't wiggle away.
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Speaker 1: Now let's see how did this happen. The first one
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Speaker 1: was John David. I had bathed him, laid him on
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Speaker 1: the bed to put lation and all that on him,
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Speaker 1: and I turned around. I went two steps to get
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Speaker 1: another towel. He fell off the bed and hit his head.
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Speaker 1: Of course, it was right before I was supposed to
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Speaker 1: leave to go to work, so instead of going to work,
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Speaker 1: I was out in the street screaming for a cab
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Speaker 1: to get to a pediatrician. Okay, one that would still
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Speaker 1: be open. Did I learn my lasson note? Two weeks later,
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Speaker 1: I had Lucy. I laid her on the bed to
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Speaker 1: put let you on her. I turned her ound together towel.
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Speaker 1: She fell off and hit her head, And there I
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Speaker 1: was in the street again. I basically had her in
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Speaker 1: one arm and pushed some guy out of the way
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Speaker 1: so I could get in his taxi. And he said something.
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Speaker 1: I said, my daughter hit her head. I forgot to
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Speaker 1: leave out in the park that I turned around and
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Speaker 1: let her fall off the bed. My point is, you
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Speaker 1: turn your back, it's gonna happen. It's like Murphy's law,
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Speaker 1: it will happen. Why is that? You know? I've got
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Speaker 1: a specialist joining us. In addition to the guests you've
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Speaker 1: heard as Short, You've heard James shel Knott, You've heard
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Speaker 1: doctor Angie Arnold also with me as a renowned medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jan Gorniac with Clark County Office of Medical Examiner.
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Speaker 1: That's Vegas. And Andrea Zepharis, aquatic Death and Abuse investigator.
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Speaker 1: Did you know there was such a thing that unique?
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Speaker 1: Niche Aquatic Death and Abuse Investigator, vice president of Lifeguard Systems.
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Speaker 1: On Twitter, you can find her at a Z Team
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Speaker 1: LGS A Z Andrew Zepharis Team LGS Lifeguard Systems Andrea
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Speaker 1: Aquatic anbess investigator. Oh, I can't wait to hear what
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Speaker 1: you've got to say about this.
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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, think about how many hundreds of
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Speaker 9: people have drowned trying to save strangers in the water.
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Speaker 9: I mean, people who are completely non swimmers will jump
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Speaker 9: into water to try and stay to state. Six years ago,
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Speaker 9: five people drowned trying to save a girl in Missouri.
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Speaker 9: So the fact that she didn't jump in is not reasonable.
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Speaker 9: It is highly unusual. Police officers are being sanctioned because
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Speaker 9: they don't jump in after people who could hurt them,
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Speaker 9: so her behavior is not reasonable. The other question I
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Speaker 9: have is I don't see any kiddie pool in that
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Speaker 9: in the photograph thing, so that means she left her
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Speaker 9: in a pool. Do we know where she was found
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Speaker 9: in the pool? What part the shallow end, the deep end?
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Speaker 1: Good question? Do we ask now? Although she could have floated,
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Speaker 1: she could have been in the shallow end and got
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Speaker 1: floated to the depen or I mean she's a child,
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Speaker 1: a seven year old little girl. She could have seen
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Speaker 1: other people jump into the dppen earlier and thought, hey,
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Speaker 1: i'll do that too. Absolutely, I don't know where she
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Speaker 1: was exactly in this pool, but it's not a big pool, because.
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Speaker 9: I'm concerned if a mom says she can't swims the
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Speaker 9: little girls in the shallow ends, and there's absolutely no
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Speaker 9: excuse why she didn't just jump in.
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Speaker 1: But I do know that there is a deep end.
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure there's a deep end because I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at it. Let me see if I can find the
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Speaker 1: foot indicators the number of feet. But I do see
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Speaker 1: they have a life savor like a float right beside
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Speaker 1: the pool. So I have reason to believe there's not
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Speaker 1: a diving board, of course, but I do have reason
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Speaker 1: to believe that there is a deep end. Doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: because I mean, how many inches does it take to
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Speaker 1: drown on Andrea.
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Speaker 9: Well, it only takes a few inches. And children have
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Speaker 9: been drowned purposely by just pouring water down their airway,
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Speaker 9: so you don't even have to be in water to drown.
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Speaker 9: You know, one of the things we would do is
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Speaker 9: measure her airway height and see, you know, where was
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Speaker 9: she Because when somebody starts to drown, they go vertical
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Speaker 9: and they're splashing when they're non swimmers, and it's just
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Speaker 9: it's a very violent, absolutely petrifying death. And we've interviewed
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Speaker 9: people who have accidentally drowned and been saved and the
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Speaker 9: people who've been tortured with drowning, and you know, we've
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Speaker 9: interviewed people who said, you know, they've been strangled more
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Speaker 9: times than they can count, but the drowning abuse is
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Speaker 9: far more horrifying. The drowning is not a gentle way
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Speaker 9: to go, that is for sure.
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Speaker 1: And Jackie points out that a lot of children that
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Speaker 1: don't know how to swim kind of like ice skating
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Speaker 1: when you don't know a roller skating, when you don't
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Speaker 1: know really how to do it, you hold onto the
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Speaker 1: edge and go around with your hands. So we think
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Speaker 1: maybe she had been doing that. She had thirty minutes
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Speaker 1: each time, is that right? As short the mom went
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Speaker 1: for a drink for the first thirty minutes, checked on
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Speaker 1: the baby, checked on her, and went back to the bar.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, for about thirty minutes each time, plus the time
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Speaker 5: she was alone because you went back to the room
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Speaker 5: to check the little boy too.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jan Gorniac joining US Medical Examiner out of Vegas.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gorniac, the little girl, Haitlin had irreversible brain damage.
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Speaker 1: How do you get that from drowning? I mean, she
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Speaker 1: was alive when they first got there, but brain dead
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Speaker 1: of whatever that means.
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Speaker 6: Well, there's two different deaths. There's brain death that you know,
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Speaker 6: when people are brain dead, and that's also consistent with
21:22
Speaker 6: what we say cardiac death or somatic death or your
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Speaker 6: body is you know, completely dead. So brain death is
21:30
Speaker 6: there's no irreversible, so when you're brain dead, that is
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Speaker 6: really considered dead death. That's why I always said it. Sorry,
21:39
Speaker 6: but she just sounded like she had lack of oxygen
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Speaker 6: to her brain, So she wasn't brain dead, but it
21:45
Speaker 6: wasn't functioning properly. Obviously, she couldn't breathe on her own
21:48
Speaker 6: because she was on an event. She couldn't eat, so
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Speaker 6: most people might say she was in a vegetative state.
21:56
Speaker 6: And so that's what it sounds like. She wasn't dead
21:59
Speaker 6: because she wasn't brain dead because she still had some
22:01
Speaker 6: brain functions, but not enough to breathe on her own,
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Speaker 6: or to eat, or to care for herself. Back to
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Speaker 6: the investigation though, So in addition to being a friendic pathologist,
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Speaker 6: I'm also a registered death investigator, So I can't do
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Speaker 6: my job without the death investigation. So I have so
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Speaker 6: many questions before I even get to the autopsy. One
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Speaker 6: was she drinking before she left her kid? Or put
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Speaker 6: you know, Caitlin in the pool? That's one question. Two,
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Speaker 6: I've stayed at many marriants, and why doesn't the key
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Speaker 6: open up the pool? Why did she have to ask
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Speaker 6: somebody to open up the pool? It was another question?
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Speaker 5: Three?
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Speaker 6: Why did the hotel person make sure that she knew
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Speaker 6: that she had to stay with the child? Is that
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Speaker 6: a policy of the hotel or was there something about
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Speaker 6: mom and daughter at that time that she felt obligated
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Speaker 6: to say, hey, you need to stay with her. So
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Speaker 6: she had a concern or he had a concern. I'm
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Speaker 6: not sure who the hotel attendant was. Did they go
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Speaker 6: back and check? And then also obviously as a mom,
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Speaker 6: myself and a grandmother, you know, yes I would jump
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Speaker 6: in forget my shoes, socks, my hair, whatever. But remember
23:16
Speaker 6: she was drinking, so her I don't know what her
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Speaker 6: alcohol level was, so maybe possibly that was gone, you know,
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Speaker 6: that instinct told jump in and savior child was diminished
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Speaker 6: because of the alcohol she had on board.
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they even took the mole's blood alcohol,
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Speaker 1: if they did a breathalyzer at that time. But I
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Speaker 1: am looking, as Short Senior Editor Daily Wire at this photo,
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Speaker 1: and I do see that there is one of those
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Speaker 1: wrought iron type gates leading into the pool area surrounded
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Speaker 1: by an opaque solid wall all the way around the
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Speaker 1: pool where they have plants planted. But you can go
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Speaker 1: through that wrought iron, which is just like you can
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Speaker 1: see through the wrought iron, and I'm looking right at it.
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Speaker 1: I don't see that it's done with a keypad. It
24:16
Speaker 1: may just be a very simple child.
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Speaker 7: Lot.
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Speaker 1: So it's curious that she went to ask about going
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Speaker 1: into the pool and getting into the.
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Speaker 6: Pool, Nancy, how did she get back in when she
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Speaker 6: went to go check on the child?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't think that's a very good point,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gorniac. I don't think she needed assistance in getting
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Speaker 1: the child in there. So I'm curious. Is I wonder
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Speaker 1: if the stab didn't come up and say, hey, you
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Speaker 1: can't be in there. We don't have a lifeguard unless
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Speaker 1: you're going to stay with her. I wonder if that's
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Speaker 1: the way it all went down to. Andrew's a fairness
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Speaker 1: jump in Angia. You did any of doctor Gorniac's questions.
24:51
Speaker 1: Is the death investigator ring a bell to you?
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Speaker 9: Oh? Absolutely? And I mean we would want to track
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Speaker 9: all her movements. I wanted to know what her behavior
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Speaker 9: was if she'd done this before, because how does this
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Speaker 9: child live to that age if this is her normal behavior.
25:04
Speaker 9: So that's another thing. I want to look at her
25:06
Speaker 9: whole history. What's her history with swimming with this child
25:09
Speaker 9: and this child have swimming lessons? And was there anything
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Speaker 9: that made her feel comfortable that this child would have survived?
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Speaker 1: We're talking about Erica Baiez, a mom of two whose
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Speaker 1: daughter drowns in the hotel pool while mommy is drinking
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Speaker 1: at the bar. Not once, but twice. One of you
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Speaker 1: asked earlier what mom in her right mind would leave
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Speaker 1: the child in a pool to go drink. Well, take
25:37
Speaker 1: listen to our friends at w FRD.
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Speaker 11: Goma mother has been convicted in the death of her
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Speaker 11: seven month old son. According to court records, twenty four heroes,
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Speaker 11: Cheyenna Whiterix pleaded no contest to the drowning of her
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Speaker 11: baby in a bathtub. She originally pleaded not guilty. A
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Speaker 11: criminal complaint says Wyrix admitted she was watching YouTube while
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Speaker 11: her kids were bathing. This was for several minutes. Her
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Speaker 11: other son was the one who found the baby drowning.
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Speaker 11: Her seventh thing is set for May the eighteenth.
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Speaker 1: That mine wasn't even drinking, she was just scrolling through
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Speaker 1: YouTube and let the baby drown. So I'd like to
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Speaker 1: hear you your response to that, dodre Angie Arnold, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: People, there are people who are stupid, Okay, I really
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Speaker 10: mean that. And if we don't want to go down
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Speaker 10: the postpartum depression thing, Nancy, there there are people who look.
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Speaker 10: I've heard of cases where somebody has put a child
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Speaker 10: in the jacuzzi and left them alone, and excuse me,
26:38
Speaker 10: I mean a newborn, and they wonder why the newborn dies.
26:42
Speaker 10: The fact of the matter is, you never leave a
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Speaker 10: baby unattended, not for one second.
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Speaker 6: Don't.
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Speaker 10: You don't run in the other room to get something,
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Speaker 10: because they can slip down in that tub and drown.
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Speaker 10: Anne has and has been brought up. The babies can
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Speaker 10: even drown if they if they've been underwater like that
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Speaker 10: in the nighttime, after they've had all of that water
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Speaker 10: in their lungs.
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Speaker 9: We should talk about that.
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Speaker 10: But the fact of the matter is you never leave
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Speaker 10: a baby unattended. And I think that there's some people
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Speaker 10: that just don't know that, Nancy, I really do.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, James shell Nutt, it's really interesting
27:21
Speaker 1: that Angie phrased doctor. Angie phrased it that way, because
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Speaker 1: ignorance of the law is no excuse. And here's a
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Speaker 1: perfect example, James shell Nutt, longtime Metro major case detective,
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Speaker 1: now lawyer, here's a perfect example. You may bring a
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Speaker 1: semi truck full of turnips across the state lines and
27:44
Speaker 1: I thought it was turnips. It turned out to be cocaine.
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Speaker 1: The turnip defense is not going to work. And if
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Speaker 1: you don't know that it is negligent to leave a
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Speaker 1: child in a jacuzzi or alone and a pool by
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Speaker 1: themselves for at least one hour, correct me if I'm wrong,
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Speaker 1: ass short, but thirty minutes the first time drinking at
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Speaker 1: the bar, then leaves again to go check her chot
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Speaker 1: her other babies. She left alone in the hotel room,
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Speaker 1: the five months old, and then back to the bar.
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Speaker 1: You add that all together, that's at least one hour plus.
28:20
Speaker 1: She had the wherewithal to lie, which is in dishall
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Speaker 1: of guilt, guilty, conscience, lying to police. I don't care
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Speaker 1: if she'd he was neglect or not metcy.
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Speaker 7: Part of that is that they're not going to have
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Speaker 7: to prove that she knew that. Most of the time,
28:35
Speaker 7: when these statues are written, they say knew or should
28:38
Speaker 7: have known. Whether she knew it or not is going
28:41
Speaker 7: to be irrelevant in her prosecution. She should have known
28:44
Speaker 7: that leaving a baby in a room was reckless. She
28:46
Speaker 7: should have known that leaving a seven year old daughter
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Speaker 7: in a pool while she drank was reckless, and that
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Speaker 7: that could easily result in her death. And we haven't
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Speaker 7: even mentioned the fact that she didn't know if there
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Speaker 7: were sexual predators staying at this hotel. She wouldnt leave
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Speaker 7: a seven year old little girl alone on the playground,
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Speaker 7: much less in the water unaccompanied with no whack or
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Speaker 7: she should have known that that could result it in
29:08
Speaker 7: her death.
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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to our cut three from our
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Speaker 1: friends a crime online.
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Speaker 3: Erica Biaz is drinking and eating at the hotel bar
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Speaker 3: in the middle of the afternoon, while her five month
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Speaker 3: old baby is back in their hotel room all alone,
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Speaker 3: and her seven year old daughter is all alone in
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Speaker 3: the swimming pool. Trying to heep an eye on the children.
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Speaker 3: She drinks and eats for thirty minutes, and then she
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Speaker 3: makes her rounds to make sure the children are okay.
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Speaker 3: Thirty minutes earlier, Caitlin was swimming in the pool by herself,
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Speaker 3: but now as Erica Biaz approaches the indoor pool, she
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Speaker 3: doesn't see any splashing or swimming. She finds her daughter
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Speaker 3: floating lifeless in the pool. Rather than jump in and
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Speaker 3: try to save her immediately, this forty one year old
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Speaker 3: mother takes the time to take off her shoes and
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Speaker 3: socks and puts her phone off to the side. Then
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Speaker 3: she pulls her daughter out of the pool and more.
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Speaker 3: In our cut five, Caitlin Pineda, the seven year old
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Speaker 3: daughter of Erica Biaz, pulled from an indoor swimming pool
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Speaker 3: on a cold January day without a pulse and in
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Speaker 3: cardiac arrest, is alive when she arrives at the pediatric
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Speaker 3: Intensive care unit at Cohen's Children's Hospital. However, while the
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Speaker 3: EMTs were able to revive her and get a pulse
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Speaker 3: on the way to the hospital, the brain damage caused
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Speaker 3: by the oxygen deprivation is irreversible. Caitlin would now be
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Speaker 3: kept alive by a ventilator and a feeding tube.
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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace Night to doctor Jean Gornia
30:44
Speaker 1: or now medical examiner joining us out of Las Vegas.
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Speaker 1: What was his child's life like in that physical condition,
30:55
Speaker 1: living off of a feeding tube.
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Speaker 6: Oh, I can only imagine obviously in a productive life.
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Speaker 6: It wasn't a life of a second grader third reader.
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Speaker 6: She was confined to a bed, a hospital bed, and
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Speaker 6: being taken care of around the clock because of being
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Speaker 6: on a ventilator and a feeding toobe, So she didn't
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Speaker 6: have a quality life of a statis seven year old
31:19
Speaker 6: should have had being able to play with her her
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Speaker 6: younger sibling, to go to school, to have friends, you know,
31:25
Speaker 6: take ballet lessons, whatever her desires were. She was confined
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Speaker 6: to a hospital bed being taken care of.
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Speaker 1: Guys. We're talking about a beautiful seven year old little girl, Caitlin,
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Speaker 1: who dies alone in a hotel swimming pool. When amts arrive,
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Speaker 1: she has no pulse. They managed to revive her and
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Speaker 1: get her to the hospital in the hope she could
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Speaker 1: be saved, and she lived in the condition dot Regine
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Speaker 1: Gorniac has described until she died. Andrea Zepharis is joining
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Speaker 1: US Aquatic Death and Abuse investigator. Why Anne, Andrea, Well.
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Speaker 9: What's really scary is I don't know. The Center for
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Speaker 9: Diseases and Controlled that drowning is the number one cause
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Speaker 9: of death for ages one to four, and when you
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Speaker 9: look at ages five to nine, unintentional injury is number
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Speaker 9: one and drowning is second in that category. So unfortunately,
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Speaker 9: it's really common, but it's not common to be left
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Speaker 9: alone in a pool for that long. And one minute,
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Speaker 9: she's having a good time, she's enjoying herself, and then
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Speaker 9: somehow she's over her airway, or she thinks she's over
32:26
Speaker 9: her airway, and now she's struggling to breathe, and the
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Speaker 9: greatest urge that we all have is to breathe, and
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Speaker 9: is absolutely petrifying. She is going to be splashing with
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Speaker 9: her arms trying to push down, She's going to be
32:37
Speaker 9: trying to get her airway up. And doctor Frank Pia
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Speaker 9: did a study of years ago in New York that
32:42
Speaker 9: the average child takes about twenty seconds of struggling before
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Speaker 9: sinking below that surface. So the fact that she was
32:48
Speaker 9: still on the surface reportedly meant that she had a
32:51
Speaker 9: chance of being saved because she couldn't have been under
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Speaker 9: for that long. And I really want to know, did
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Speaker 9: mom call nine one one, did she start CPR? What
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Speaker 9: exactly happened when she got the child out? Is there
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Speaker 9: a video of this?
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Speaker 1: As sure? What do we know? I imagine that somewhere,
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Speaker 1: somehow there is surveillance video.
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Speaker 5: I would hope so, and maybe that will come out
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Speaker 5: at trial. So Eric Bias, just like the other woman
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Speaker 5: we talked about, she's pleaded, not guilty. Now maybe she
33:18
Speaker 5: changes that later, but right now she's freated, not guilty.
33:21
Speaker 5: So this may go to trial. And I want to
33:23
Speaker 5: caution that she has, you know, been arrested and she's
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Speaker 5: being held without bail. She hasn't been convicted yet. And
33:31
Speaker 5: the information that we have now is all coming from
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Speaker 5: the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office right now. We imagine
33:38
Speaker 5: that the police talk to people at the hotel, talk
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Speaker 5: to people at the hotel board, talk to Bias, you know,
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Speaker 5: talk to anyone that was in the area, to in
33:47
Speaker 5: viewed surveillance video to get this information, right, to get
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Speaker 5: this thirty minute time limit, to get you know, the
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Speaker 5: drinks you ordered, to get all of this information. But
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Speaker 5: we also have to remember that there will be a
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Speaker 5: defense and we don't know what that's going to be.
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Speaker 5: It could and you know, it seems hard to believe,
34:05
Speaker 5: but it could change perception of what happened or who
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Speaker 5: Erica Bias is, you know, So I do want to
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Speaker 5: caution against that. But yes, we would assume that based
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Speaker 5: on what the Stuffolk County District Attorney's Office has put out,
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Speaker 5: that they have viewed surveillance footage, that they have viewed
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Speaker 5: any kind of footage that they have anywhere in the hotel,
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Speaker 5: and spoken to hotel workers, bar staff anyone else.
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Speaker 1: So we would have to assume that you know, curious
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Speaker 1: to James shell Nutt joining us in the shell Nut
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Speaker 1: Law Firm. You can find them at shell Nutlaw Firm
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Speaker 1: dot com. Why do you believe surveill us a video
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Speaker 1: and witnesses from the bar are critical in making this case.
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Speaker 7: Well, because although it is not prooded to leave a
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Speaker 7: child alone for any amount of time, as you just
34:55
Speaker 7: discussed from your own personal experiences, turning back for two
34:57
Speaker 7: seconds something could happen.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I didn't leave them alone.
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Speaker 7: I turned around, clearly the wronger that it goes on, though,
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Speaker 7: the more culpable this lady becomes. So you know, opinions
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Speaker 7: may vary at two minutes, they may vary at five,
35:14
Speaker 7: but four out of five dentists they're going to agree
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Speaker 7: that a half hour leaving a seven year old alone
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Speaker 7: in a pool is criminally culpable. And that's important. The
35:23
Speaker 7: timeline in this case, in every case, is important, and
35:27
Speaker 7: in this case, it goes to show the level of
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Speaker 7: conscious disregard that this lady had for the life of
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Speaker 7: her daughter and the baby that they had there.
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Speaker 1: And let's overlay that with the warning that she was
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Speaker 1: given by the hotel step. Okay, you can go in
35:41
Speaker 1: the pool, but you've got to stay with her. You
35:43
Speaker 1: cannot leave her alone. That was the directive given to
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Speaker 1: Ericabias before she let the little girl, Caitlin get into
35:52
Speaker 1: the pool. I'm telling you, the most damning, the most
35:55
Speaker 1: damning evidence is going to be how many drinks she ordered,
35:59
Speaker 1: how how long she was really at the bar. Hotel
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Speaker 1: surveillance is well known for having surveillance and elevators in hallways.
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Speaker 1: We're going to be able to track her leaving the pool,
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Speaker 1: going upstairs to see the five month old who was
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Speaker 1: also alone in a hotel room, left alone. How often,
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Speaker 1: if at all, she went back to the pool. Did
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Speaker 1: she really even go back to check on her during
36:24
Speaker 1: those thirty minute visits to the bar. We're going to
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Speaker 1: find out how many drinks she ordered, what drinks she
36:30
Speaker 1: ordered for all I issue in there and have a
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Speaker 1: soda water. It's possible all that will be uncovered at trial. Guys,
36:39
Speaker 1: speaking of trial, take a listen to our cut six
36:42
Speaker 1: our friends at News twelve.
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Speaker 12: A Bronx mom is expected to face a judge after
36:46
Speaker 12: she was slammed with manslaughter charges following the death of
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Speaker 12: her seven year old daughter. According to Suffolk County Police,
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Speaker 12: the girl was found unresponsive in a hotel pool on
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Speaker 12: Long Island last year. She remained in a coma and
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Speaker 12: sadly passed away on May first. Police say her mom,
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Speaker 12: forty one year old Erica Bias, left her daughter unattended
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Speaker 12: at the pool on the day of the incident. She
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Speaker 12: was arrested in Manhattan yesterday.
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Speaker 1: Now, according to the reports we have gotten, they make
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Speaker 1: it very clear that she was having another drink which
37:19
Speaker 1: she nursed in the bar for half an hour. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is according to the prosecutor. What do we know
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Speaker 1: about the exact charge is ash short.
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Speaker 5: She was charged with one count of second degree manslaughter
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Speaker 5: and two counts of endangering the welfare of a child.
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Speaker 5: So one count for the five month old, one count
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Speaker 5: for the seven year old.
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Speaker 6: One question that.
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Speaker 5: I have is her daughter was on this life support
37:48
Speaker 5: for a year. So did the investigation into this occur
37:55
Speaker 5: right when her daughter drowned or did it only begin
37:58
Speaker 5: after her daughter died? She was only charged after her
38:02
Speaker 5: daughter died, Yet she could have been charged with the
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Speaker 5: endangerment right at the time, so back in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 5: So my question is why that wasn't happen, didn't happen,
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Speaker 5: or if the district's attorney's office was kind of waiting
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Speaker 5: for the daughter to die before charging her with everything,
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Speaker 5: rather than bringing a manslaughter charge afterward.
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Speaker 1: I'm very surprised they're not charging her with felony murder,
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Speaker 1: which is a much more significant charge because a death
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Speaker 1: occurred in the commission of a felony, and that is
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Speaker 1: child neglect. Felony child neglect.
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Speaker 9: I just say I'm really applauding the Sussa County for
38:37
Speaker 9: making these charges because we are seeing a dangerous trend
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Speaker 9: around the country where we parents are not being charged
38:43
Speaker 9: when these drownings are happening. In Ulster County, which is
38:46
Speaker 9: just two hours north of US, we had a case
38:48
Speaker 9: where a mother left her children in the Hudson River
38:50
Speaker 9: so she could do drugs with their drug dealer. The
38:52
Speaker 9: daughter drowned and no charges were filed, and that is
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Speaker 9: something we're seeing happening more and more. So I think
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Speaker 9: this is an important case and I really applaud to
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Speaker 9: Janey for charging the kid.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice and it's also thoughts