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EDP31: Tokyo World Athletics Championships / Berlin Marathon / City2Bay · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello, welcome back to the Easy Double podcast.
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  I'm very excited to be sat here at the start of episode 31 with
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  my two usual Co hosts Dean Menzies.
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  How are you late record on a Sunday evening?
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  Good mate, sort of back from holiday so they now had a nice
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  relaxing weekend of all week of of athletics.
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  It's been good. How are you?
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  Yeah, good. Thanks mate.
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  Slightly, slightly tired given the the late star and a couple
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  of beers last night, but I think the the adrenaline and the
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  excitement to talk about Tokyo is going to get me through.
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  And how are you Owen? Just back from an airport run we
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  believe. Yeah, so.
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  The flight was meant to come in a half nine this morning, which
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  I was like Grant, but for some reason cyber criminals attack
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  Dublin Airport. So like the whole Terminal 2 had
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  to be evacuated and everything was delayed.
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  So yeah, the flight I was picking actually my coach up
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  from it was 3 1/2 hours late. So thank you for sticking with
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  me and not starting without me because yeah, so many good races
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  to unpack. No, it's, it's important that
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  we've got you on board because I'm sure, yeah, you're itching
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  to call every gold medalist and throw some accusations their way
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  that. Wouldn't be me.
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  So we've just been chatting offline and genuinely Dean has
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  withheld the results of the medal competition from myself
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  and Alan so far. And we agreed that he would
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  reveal all live on air. And we he he's been posting a
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  few updates in the clubhouse throughout the week to kind of
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  keep people updated. So thanks for that because he's
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  even colour coordinated the gold, silver and bronze
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  positions and it was incredibly tight, wasn't it?
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  So do you want to tell us what's been happening, Dean?
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  Quick one, just for everyone. The clubhouse, like you can
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  access it through an app on the App Store.
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  Like you don't have to go through the Chrome link every
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  single time. It is a physical app, so you can
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  install a circle and then just, yeah, follow the instructions.
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  So you don't need to keep on going through Chrome.
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  There's an actual app for it. Yeah, whether or not that that's
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  a good or a bad thing, because then you get the the message
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  notifications every time and you you start increasing your screen
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  time. But it's been good this week.
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  I've enjoyed that. Well, yeah, I suppose just for
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  for anyone in that wants to know how we finished.
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  So the way the point system worked is it was 2 points if you
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  correctly guessed the person. So it was gold, silver and
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  bronze, or first, second, third. If you guess the right person in
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  that particular order. Like when Yonhi you picked him
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  to win gold in the 8, you'll get 2 points.
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  If you just picked him for silver, you'll get one point
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  because he picked him for a medal.
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  So in terms of our competition, I was just out of us three.
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  I was third in with 16 points when you were second with 19
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  points and Ryan, you were the winner in with 21 points out of
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  us and that was good enough for for you were just one point off
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  being equal first overall Ryan. So 22 points was the total.
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  But in terms of tie back, tie Breakers with the women's
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  marathon time, it's actually put you in 5th overall.
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  So pretty solid result. Obviously shout out to Owen
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  given that half your I think Ireland won a silver and hit
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  Teflon which wasn't part of our competition but other than that
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  I don't think there was an Irish medalist but they were in about
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  5 year picks so that's pretty impressive.
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  Just for a clarity, yeah, that was Ireland's first track medal
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  in 30 years and only seventh ever medal out of World
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  Championships. So to put it into context.
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  Oh. Well, and look.
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  And Despite that, you still picked that many Irish people in
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  your team. Faith we didn't do too bad.
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  Well, no, and we'll probably get on to that as we go through the
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  results, but I did notice how hot and humid it was in Tokyo
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  and I did just think how well prepared everyone was coming
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  from Ireland into Tokyo. We were blessed, yeah, but that
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  heat wave we got really just prepared all of the guys.
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  So look, it worked. So the Aussies didn't do too
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  well and you just complain? That's warm.
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  So we're in terms of moving on to the overall winners, I
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  thought special mention to Dan Yaxley because he was one point
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  off the win but would have won with the closest to pin in terms
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  of the women's marathon time. So pretty unlucky there on 21
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  points along with Ryan. But third place was Liam Stocky
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  on 22 points. Oh, sorry, 2nd place was Liam
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  Stocky on on 22 points. I, I've, I've messed up the
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  order here, but Anna Helliwitz, Helliwitz was third in with also
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  on 22 points and just 10 seconds.
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  No, that's why I've got it right.
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  OK, I shouldn't have doubted myself.
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  I've just on the fly seen a lower time and a higher time and
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  realised I've got it wrong. But no.
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  And I'll share these results with the clubhouse to make sure
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  that everyone can actually see what I'm doing is correct.
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  Because it's fair that everyone guessed faster times than what
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  the women's marathon ran. And so the furthest away was
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  Liam. He guessed so everyone, everyone
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  got 22 points. Wow, let's let's slow down.
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  Let me slow down. It was a complicated system, and
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  when you're counting on tiebreakers, it made it a lot
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  more complicated. Anyway, all three people got 22
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  points. The person that was furthest
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  away from guessing the women's marathon time was Lamb.
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  Well done, Lamb. 10 seconds closer to the pin was Anna, and
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  then our winner was Dan Wayne, who was yeah, also on 22 points
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  but nearest to pin with the Mirror Winnings marathon time.
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  Shit, good job that we put the tiebreaker in, otherwise I hope
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  we wouldn't have been buying 3 pairs of shoes.
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  Well, I would have been trying to find the way not to anyway.
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  We would have been shopping around for some sort of three
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  for one, but but yeah, so good competition, pretty close the
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  whole way. I think there was a few people
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  that, yeah, jumped out to an early lead, but it was sort of
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  competitive the whole way. So actually in terms of, you
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  know, I found it a fun way of sort of following the events.
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  So. Yeah.
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  So no, thanks for everyone that participated.
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  Yeah, quite close. Like, you know, looking through
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  the results, I think 30th was on say 17 points, you know, So for
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  for context, it's sort of, you know, only a couple of picks
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  away from being on the podium. Yeah.
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  Now, congratulations and we'll be in touch to arrange the prize
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  of a pair of assets, meta speed and your preference of at your
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  sky subject to whether we can get our hands on them, which I'm
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  sure we'll be able to. So yeah, well done.
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  And the free prize draw for just entering in general for the
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  nutrition, we'll just sort that out offline and then publish the
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  results as well. Well, yeah, I agree.
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  It was a fun way to follow it because it kind of forces you to
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  obviously choose where your predictions lie.
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  And then as you see the results come in, you can kind of see
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  whether they're upsets or not because obviously you've kind of
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  called where you think the winners will come from.
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  And I think that was kind of the the key trend, wasn't it?
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  There was so many like upsets and shock results.
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  Yeah. And doesn't it change quickly?
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  Like, I think I had yeah, Cobb to win the 5K and you sort of
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  knew after his heat of the 1500 that that was probably not a
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  great pick. And then after Jimmy Gracia
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  caused an upset in the 10K and you realize like that races were
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  going to be potentially more tactical rather than just from,
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  you know, someone going gun to tape that maybe kickers had a
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  bit of a bit of a better chance at the likes of Camellia or even
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  Gressia in the 5K all of a sudden became much more popular
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  picks, which some of these people like they weren't even in
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  our shortlists because you just they just weren't even on the
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  radar either by way of their world rank or their season's
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  best. They just weren't that look
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  looking likely. So yeah, it was just a fun, fun
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  way to follow the follow the competition.
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  And I think some there's some useful feedback around next time
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  if we just and that's what I thought.
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  Just an observation from World Athletics, was they included
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  like season's best or they included whenever someone popped
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  up on a start list, their world rank and it sort of just
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  contextualized all the athletes. Like it sort of gave some good
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  insight as you're watching a final as to sort of anyone with
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  a single digit number. You're sort of like, oh, well,
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  they've obviously been racing really consistently.
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  And then you see some people that have got these pretty high
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  world ranks that are sort of coming from the clouds a bit,
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  which was good. Yeah.
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  And then we'll get into it properly when we get to Tokyo.
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  But there's a couple of other results that have been knocking
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  around this weekend that we we want to knockout first.
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  So in terms of how this episode's going to look, we've
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  got a hell of a lot of time spent on the World Championships
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  once we get to it. Prior to that, we've got the
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  Berlin Marathon, we've got city to Bay.
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  And I did just want to give a quick mention and I know we
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  shouldn't be, well, I feel like we shouldn't be doing like these
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  little personal shout outs. However, it is somewhat relevant
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  in the the XCR season in Melbourne wrapped up this
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  weekend and the club that I ran for whilst I was over there,
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  ironically called Victorian Cross Country League, got
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  promoted from Dev 2 to Dev One for the first time.
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  So I'm still actually in the group chat and on I think it was
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  yesterday Saturday morning, one of them sent like a big rally
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  and cry message like gearing them all off and firing them up
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  ready to go for a big promotion push on the last day.
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  And it did give me a bit of FOMO, to be fair.
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  Like that kind of like team environment and like culture of
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  everyone running for each other. It's kind of like what we miss
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  out on over here. But I just don't think we've got
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  that depth, do we? I sadly not.
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  Would be nice though, wouldn't it, if we could on Earth?
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  Something like that. Have to get a FIFO contract in
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  place with one of the clubs, right?
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  Then let's go into it. So City to Bay happened this
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  morning in Adelaide and that was one on the men's side by Adam
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  Goddard in a blistering 34 O 6. So when I tried to do like the
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  conversion for this in terms of like what he would have went
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  through 10K and I think it's coming out of 2825, which is
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  because that's a 12K race sanely fast.
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  And it must have had to been because he's beaten Isaac Kane
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  and we've kind of seen over the past couple of months he's been
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  in like really good form. And then what was also
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  interesting in terms of contacts for the WA Perf listeners, Dan
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  Kanala, who's obviously one of the best runners, distance
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  runners in Perth, finished 15th. So just goes to show the depth
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  there in that race. And that was backed up by Izzy.
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  Izzy back Doyle winning the female race in 3654.
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  So she won by two minutes to Bronzy Oates.
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  And again, like we've seen that Bronzy Oates has been in like
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  red hot form. So for Izzy to put 2 minutes
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  into her like she doesn't stop, does she literally just come off
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  10K in Tokyo, flew home for the first time in four months and
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  straight into a race? Yeah, like the emotional toll
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  that should take on Izzy to even just like the world's the build
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  up to that, then running, then flying home and then to just
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  like win the city debate, which is like pretty good race.
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  And like, Bronte Alt is on fire at the moment.
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  Like, she's a phenomenal athlete.
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  With 30th birthday celebrations in the middle of it all, I'm
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  sure as well. But yeah, what a way to welcome
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  yourself home to Adelaide. Is there good prize money on
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  that one? No idea.
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  You know, it's from those cities to Bay ones.
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  So maybe a little bit, but it wouldn't be like a big chunk, I
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  don't think. It's not like Perth where you
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  have to pay like a $70 entry free and you get absolutely
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  nothing. It couldn't be, couldn't be that
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  good. Berlin Marathon was also this
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  morning. So we were following a couple of
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  people over there and we were aware that the weather was kind
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  of far from optimal in that it was looking at maybe like low
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  20° on the start line and getting up to like 2324
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  throughout the race. So like, we were taxed in this
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  afternoon and I said, like, personally, I'd be gutted if
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  you'd put in months of preparation and like you get to
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  race day. And there's a unsurprising.
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  So in terms of the elite results, Sebastian Sawaway won
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  in two hours, 2 minutes and 16 seconds from a Japanese guy,
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  Akira Akasaki, and it's always won by 4 minutes.
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  The 2nd place is around 2:06. And then there was an Ethiopian
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  in 3rd for the women. It was a Kenyan athlete as well.
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  So can you get in the double? I don't know if you guys saw any
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  of the strain, but like how to end based on that, based on the
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  results in the men's and women's, it looks like they
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  spent most of their budget on maybe the pacemakers for SAR Way
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  because he had what, 5 pacemakers I think start?
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  And so given that seconds, what, 4 minutes behind him, I don't
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  know. The field doesn't seem to bat
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  that deep, does it? I actually didn't see the
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  stream. So you, you mean that maybe like
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  they've literally set the race up for SAR way and that's it?
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  I think so because like they went through, he went through
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  halfway and I think 60 minutes and 16 seconds or thereabouts.
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  So he's like a 2 minute positive split.
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  And I think he started with five pacemakers and it might have
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  been down to three by halfway. Like you need a pacemaker that
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  can run 60 minutes flat for 1/2 marathon, which I think maybe
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  two or three, maybe 2 Aussies ever have done that, you know,
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  on their best day, let alone on a slightly warm day.
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  So yeah, I don't know, just just just crazy.
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  I mean, it's no, no surprise that there was him in daylight,
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  but it's, you know, a little bit lacking depth, I think.
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  So there's two ways to look at his result.
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  I think it's that like he's run 202 in unfavorable conditions.
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  So then potentially the people who haven't run to their
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  potential, he kind of disproves that.
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  But then there's the way of looking at it in that he's
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  ranked 2O2 in these conditions. And does that mean that
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  potentially on like an optimal day with the rank, dare I say,
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  159 or like at least a world record?
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  And I think it's more so the latter rather than the former,
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  because like, facts are facts, and the weather effects you in
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  the way that it does. So it's scary, really.
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  Yeah, now it's sort of building it up a bit.
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  So they obviously thought he was in some pretty rippy shape.
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  And I think the commentators maybe mentioned that his
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  previous marathons he'd run a negative split.
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  Like he ran away from everyone at London and I think he
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  negative split a tour 2IN Valencia.
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  So like I think he's I think he's a tour too.
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  So I think he's like, I think he's pretty well suited to the
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  marathon. He was his third or fourth
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  marathon, but I think he's pretty good at him so.
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  Yeah. So I made an observation here
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  saying is he the best marathoner in the world right now?
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  Because he's won Valencia, London and Berlin since last
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  December. So he's won those three in 12
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  months, which are like, you get the best of the best there.
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  Not is it Simbu bit brutal that we're calling him the best
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  marathoner in the world after after one of the best marathon
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  finishes of all time for the Tanzanian earlier in the week.
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  But yeah, probably, possibly. And this is some of the
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  commentary about the world champs was just that what do
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  they get? I think they get, is it €70,000
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  if you win a World Championship gold versus. 7070 thousand
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  American dollars. Yeah and but you what it like I
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  think there was rumoured that Kipchoki got like $1,000,000
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  appearance fee at Sydney. Like what sort of money are
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  these guys getting? What's our way getting to go and
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  race to Berlin? I would say it's an well in
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  excess of of winning gold at the world champs And and part of
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  that would just be in rocking up or or running.
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  So he, you know, it's not like you have to beat everyone.
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  But yeah, it's probably him or isn't.
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  Didn't, didn't I hear as well. There's a guy at Chicago going
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  for a world record attempt as well, coming up later in the
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  next month or so. Yeah, that career fella, did he?
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  I think he won Boston earlier this year.
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  So yeah, that'll be interesting to see how it gets on there
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  because this was later on in the agenda, so you might as well
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  talk about it now. In Clayton's post race
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  interview, I don't know if you've seen this, but he said
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  he's going to be in the lead car commentating on Chicago.
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  So where Manse is attempting to run the American record.
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  You know, the way they cut to the car sometimes and they've
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  got like someone there kind of talking about how the race
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  unfolds, Clayton Young is going to be in that car and doing like
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  the analysis and commentary on one John Korea's world record
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  attempt and to Connor Manses American record attempt.
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  So like we often criticize the streams and say that they don't
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  spend enough time like watching the race.
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  So if they've gone out of the way to get Clayton Young in the
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  car, you'd hope that they're going to pay him the respect and
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  give him like, good airtime because his insights will be
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  crazy there. And there'll obviously be two
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  different pace groups, like Connor Mansell have his own pace
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  group probably would he because he's going to be like 4 minutes
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  off the winner if they're going for world record pace and.
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  You'd think so, yeah. Unless he's fancy in his cheeky
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  world record whilst he's out. Would have passed them.
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  On that result from. Probably get into it in the
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  men's marathon results, but did you guys have any thoughts about
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  if Connor Manse was in that race?
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  Yeah. My initial thought was he would
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  have meddled. However, on some analysis into
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  Simbu, I seen that he actually beat Months.
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  I can't remember what race it was.
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  I think it was Boston maybe earlier this year.
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  You know, when like Months was in that group, there was like 4
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  or five of them coming into the last K and he ended up finishing
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  like 4th or 5th. Simbu was one of the round ones
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  who finished higher than him there.
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  So it made me reconsider. Like it obviously would have
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  been a medal chance but I think it's a bit ignorant to just be
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  like our man's were the 1. I like Ike in a different world.
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  I can see Connor man's just taking it from the front and
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  just trying to like nail the guys into the ground and then
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  blowing up hard like you don't know what I'm.
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  Yeah, the way they're almost like gathering themselves
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  heading towards the stadium and like basically waiting for like
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  a last four 500 meter race. There's no chance months would
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  be letting that happen. Would they would have been
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  nailing it the last like 3 or 4K?
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  On that, finishing in the stadium is like top tier.
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  They should do that with our marathons.
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  It's so cool, yeah. It should be how they have to
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  finish, but he had a major championship.
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  Yeah. Yeah, because there's there was
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  chatter about like getting rid of the marathon at World Champs
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  and stuff, but literally doing that is the way that you keep
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  it, to have it finished in the stadium and have it as part of
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  like the morning session. Because I don't know about use,
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  but when you look at the agendas from my bias point of view, the
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  morning session usually isn't as exciting as the evening session.
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  But if the marathon was going to finish inside the stadium, then
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  that would incentivize me to look at wanting to go to a
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  morning session. Yeah, and I just think a hot
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  marathon as well just throws up all these permutations.
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  It's the same reason why we'll get into it with the World
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  Champs recaps. But when you remove like the a
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  lot of drama and excitement in sport comes from when it's a bit
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  less predictable and running sometimes LAX is too
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  predictable. And when you add in some of
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  these variables like hate, it just means that you're not quite
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  sure what might happen later in those races and just make some
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  really exciting to watch. So because it's the guys aren't
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  really CER certain how to manage their effort and therefore
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  people are sort of sitting in a group and and working out who
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  wants to go 1st and someone might want to roll the dice.
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  And it nearly worked saying the women's marathon and it just
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  makes for exciting viewing. So like a yeah, hot summer
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  marathon in the summer, summer world champs, Summer Olympics I
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  think has a place I would have thought.
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  Yeah, I noticed some of the chatter pre world champs was
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  like complaining that our world champs are always in like
• 21:50
  August, September, so the marathon's always going to be
• 21:53
  like half and like that's not fair on the athletes, blah,
• 21:55
  blah. But as we've just seen, like it
• 21:57
  makes for really exciting races. And yeah, I'm, I'm all for it.
• 22:02
  So just to round off those bare limb results then that was the
• 22:05
  subway ran the ninth fastest time ever there in those
• 22:09
  disgusting conditions. The woman who won, Rosemary
• 22:13
  Wanjiru, she won in 221 O 5 by 3 seconds from an Ethiopian.
• 22:18
  Lady D Radida, 221 O 8 and another Ethiopian rounded off
• 22:23
  the podium in 2/21/29. So this Rosemary Wanjiru, her
• 22:29
  name didn't mean all that much to me, but when I've looked into
• 22:33
  it, she's actually ranked #10 all time.
• 22:36
  So she's not by no means a nobody.
• 22:39
  She's run 216 before she won Tokyo in 2023.
• 22:43
  She was second there last year and 5th there this year.
• 22:47
  So yeah, the depth amongst these marathoners is madness.
• 22:52
  So many of them it's hard to keep up with, really.
• 22:55
  Was it not known that it was going to be warm this weekend?
• 22:58
  It was 9 from about a week or so out.
• 23:00
  Yeah, yeah. Like, I just like people really
• 23:07
  the weather is an excuse. But when someone runs 202, like
• 23:12
  I know he's like an anomaly and he's like just batter.
• 23:15
  But like everyone's doing heat training these days.
• 23:19
  Like if it was 36° like 20° in front of it's warm but it's not
• 23:24
  boiling and. Yeah, I think it's probably just
• 23:27
  a little bit optimal. You probably have to adjust your
• 23:29
  paces slightly like, I don't know, 3-4 seconds, OK, maybe.
• 23:37
  And you know, like he was maybe 2 minutes off what he wanted to
• 23:42
  go through in and you extrapolate that out, maybe it's
• 23:44
  3 minutes off for some people, 4 minutes off what they would want
• 23:47
  to do if they. And so you just have to maybe be
• 23:50
  prepared for that if that's what you, yeah, you should be known.
• 23:55
  Was the women's 1A Sprint finish.
• 23:57
  There's only two seconds. There's 3 seconds in it.
• 23:59
  Yeah, yeah, With the heat thing, like you could, if you're
• 24:03
  ignorant to it and you just stick with your paces that like
• 24:06
  your goal was in optimal conditions, you could go through
• 24:09
  halfway probably pretty easily on that pace thinking, OK, it's
• 24:14
  not affected me. But then all of a sudden once it
• 24:16
  hits you like it's game over, you're going to lose 5-10
• 24:18
  minutes pretty quickly. So I'm sure they'll they'll be a
• 24:22
  few people there who've had tough second halves.
• 24:25
  But yeah, I think 2:02 in that is pretty remarkable.
• 24:29
  I'll be quick to jump into the Strava comments and say the
• 24:32
  winner around 2O2, so you've got no excuse.
• 24:35
  In doing so you are removing heat as an excuse or and I was
• 24:41
  ever for yourself so be careful. Sure, we've all had.
• 24:45
  Everyone's used to the heat. Like Ireland is now getting so
• 24:48
  warm, everyone in Europe is getting so warm.
• 24:51
  Like there's no excuses. He's back in a jump, right?
• 24:55
  He's forgotten. All right then, so let's get
• 24:59
  into Tokyo World Championships. In last week's episode, we
• 25:03
  managed to cover off the women's marathon and the women's 10K,
• 25:07
  which had happened prior to our recording.
• 25:09
  So the first race that is relevant to this episode was the
• 25:15
  men's 10K happened last Sunday evening.
• 25:18
  It was 30° despite. Dare I mention the weather.
• 25:23
  I feel like it might be relevant despite I think it started
• 25:28
  around like half nine or something, maybe even later
• 25:30
  local time, 68% humidity. So in terms of how the race
• 25:36
  panned out, it was very slow. Like they literally ran the
• 25:40
  first K in 360 and I think, which is like the women went
• 25:44
  through the 1st K quicker than that over 15 minutes through the
• 25:48
  5K splits, which like is fast for 99% of the population.
• 25:55
  But like these guys are the best of the best and that's literally
• 25:58
  jogging for them. But then you can see that like
• 26:01
  as soon as the pace goes on, people just can't handle that
• 26:04
  change of gear. And usually when you're looking
• 26:07
  at people's faces to try and see kind of who's hair and or who's
• 26:11
  comfortable, like they're all kind of straining.
• 26:15
  But it was at Omgrun to go to the front 1st and kind of start
• 26:19
  to wind it up. He actually wore a cap.
• 26:22
  He was the only one to have a cap on for about 4K or
• 26:24
  something. And then he just chucked it and
• 26:27
  I seen in his interview afterwards or somewhere that it
• 26:30
  was he had ice in like a little zipper through the middle.
• 26:34
  Was that his coach's idea that to wear the cap with us or Mr.
• 26:39
  Donnelly? How's his form?
• 26:41
  What's up with that actually? Had to know that I was literally
• 26:46
  so Ryan and I this after we recorded last Sunday, we went
• 26:51
  and watched a football match, an APL match.
• 26:54
  And on the way home, I'm listening to the Let's Run guys
• 26:59
  recap that they do like a daily recap on each night of
• 27:02
  athletics. And they're talking about our
• 27:06
  mag, our Magrins coach, and they're quoting Jordan Donnelly
• 27:10
  and they're going on about hit like the coaching insights.
• 27:14
  And I'm like, wait, what are you talking about?
• 27:17
  And then I jumped on Instagram and there's photos of like, like
• 27:21
  Jordan with like in all Swedish gear.
• 27:23
  And like, it was like a meme. Like it was like ridiculous.
• 27:27
  I don't I don't understand it. Well, remember when we watched,
• 27:31
  I got the stream up, didn't I? And I was like, shit, that was
• 27:34
  the cameras. Just come to Jordan.
• 27:36
  He's still there in the crowd in his Sweden calf.
• 27:39
  But yeah, I'm not sure what the connection is.
• 27:40
  He's not. I don't think he's the coach,
• 27:42
  but he's that he obviously was just like kind of part of the
• 27:44
  camp because he did have on his story a few weeks ago, like
• 27:48
  videos of arm grown on the treadmill and stuff.
• 27:50
  So he's obviously somewhat part of the team.
• 27:55
  But yeah, funny nonetheless. I did actually say to him you're
• 27:59
  you're like Jose Mourinho of running the master taxation.
• 28:04
  I think. I think he was just not Yeah,
• 28:10
  this is as Dean would say, spent all the bikies in the 10K.
• 28:13
  It seems worth it. Yeah, it's come away with a
• 28:17
  medal like I guess that would have been the goal.
• 28:19
  Obviously 2 medals would have been like unreal, but it's kind
• 28:23
  of like a breakthrough run nonetheless to get a medal on
• 28:26
  the world stage like that, isn't it?
• 28:28
  So yeah, he was the first to kind of go to the front and put
• 28:30
  something into it and they all went with him.
• 28:34
  And I always think it's funny the way you can see them when
• 28:36
  the camera's on them, but you see their eyes glance into the
• 28:39
  screen because they're kind of trying to see what's happening
• 28:42
  behind them. But I don't know, like sometimes
• 28:44
  I think is that a sign of like weakness a little bit?
• 28:47
  Because they're they're not kind of just focused solely on the
• 28:50
  race. But anyway, I think it was about
• 28:55
  two minutes, 58 pace through AK. So still like well within their
• 29:00
  range capability. And because of this, it meant
• 29:03
  that literally everyone was still there with a lap to go
• 29:07
  when they hit the bell. So like just incredibly exciting
• 29:11
  to kind of see it unfold like that 1520 people within the 10K
• 29:15
  race with just 400 to go. Usually people have made a big
• 29:19
  move and the field separated by like 10 seconds, 15 seconds,
• 29:23
  whatever it may be. And then Kajalcha makes a
• 29:27
  massive move, I think down the back street.
• 29:29
  Almgren, Fisher, Young, Gracia, Kip, Karui, Berraga, they're all
• 29:34
  still there. And then kind of somehow as
• 29:37
  they've rounded that last bend into the 100 meters, it's like
• 29:42
  Almgren, Kajalcha, maybe Fisher, but he might have just been
• 29:46
  starting to fade and another guy on the outside somewhere.
• 29:49
  And you just see kind of like Gracie almost appear from
• 29:53
  nowhere. And then in similar fashion to
• 29:57
  Cole Hocker in his 1500 meter semi, but obviously a lot
• 30:01
  cleaner. He just like wove a way through
• 30:05
  and he's managed to just time his kick to perfection and that
• 30:08
  he's literally done it on the line.
• 30:10
  And as with most of them, to be fair, but his reaction is like
• 30:14
  in complete disbelief. It's just unreal to see, isn't
• 30:17
  it? So there was a final K of 226
• 30:21
  and the last 400 and a 54. This.
• 30:24
  This is what I didn't get though.
• 30:25
  Like going into the the 5K today, they're talking about
• 30:31
  Gressier wanting it to be slow so he can use his kick and
• 30:34
  stuff, which obviously he's had the best kick in the 10K.
• 30:39
  But you're comparing Jimmy Gracia's kick to call Hawker's
• 30:43
  kick. Like it was, I think it was.
• 30:45
  We'll talk about it when we get to the 5K.
• 30:47
  But it was just so overlooked and like almost call Hawker
• 30:51
  wasn't respected in that way that he's like one of the best
• 30:54
  finishes in the 1500. But yeah, Jimmy managed to get
• 30:57
  the gold here. So that meant that Kajalchi was
• 30:59
  a close 2nd and Armgren was also a close third.
• 31:02
  I think it's like a little bit like relative, isn't it?
• 31:05
  Like so Jimmy Gracia won the was it the was it the Diamond League
• 31:11
  finale? Was it the Zurich Diamond League
• 31:14
  3K that he won? And so like they did like it's
• 31:17
  rather than a 5K in the final, they did a 3K, which is I think
• 31:21
  just to pack it into the agenda. But like he's got serious, but
• 31:25
  he was racing against all of the main a lot of the main
• 31:29
  protagonists in the coming up in the five and 10K, but that are
• 31:35
  traditional 510K runners. And so like, I think his kick
• 31:38
  relative to a lot of that like to to a lot of the more
• 31:43
  endurance guys is very good. But then like you say compared
• 31:46
  to then, but then in that fifth in the 5K that we'll talk about
• 31:50
  in a bit, there was genuine like sub 330 guys that he's running
• 31:54
  against, which he's going to going to struggle against.
• 31:58
  And then even you saw that again with like maybe guys that are
• 32:01
  more like 815 hundred guys in the slower 1500 sort of doing
• 32:08
  relatively well where it's a sit and kick.
• 32:11
  Yeah. And I think the bookies maybe,
• 32:12
  maybe maybe made those mistakes. I mean, we were sort of loosely
• 32:15
  following some of the market markets just to get a bit of an
• 32:19
  idea on who's who's to watch and who people are thinking.
• 32:22
  But like once you started to see in these races where there was
• 32:26
  no clear favour, I felt like in the women's races, the, the race
• 32:31
  was very different because there was clear favourites.
• 32:33
  They sort of tactically knew how to run the races to sort of
• 32:37
  maximize their chances of winning.
• 32:38
  Because if you're, if you're obviously better than someone
• 32:42
  else, then it it sort of makes sense for you to sort of dictate
• 32:45
  tempo to try and improve your chances of racing to run the
• 32:47
  race that best suits you. Whereas in these other races,
• 32:50
  like no one wanted to take that race on.
• 32:53
  And I would have thought that I mean, how many Ethiopians were
• 32:56
  in the 10 KS? I mean, at least three, maybe 4
• 32:59
  if they did some team running. Kajolja probably wins that
• 33:02
  because Gressier is not there if it's fast from the gun like but
• 33:07
  they just weren't prepared to do that.
• 33:09
  And so it just made it just made the racing so exciting because
• 33:12
  it brought these guys. I think Gressier was literally
• 33:15
  right up to that race was paying 50 to 1.
• 33:17
  And so like, and he's probably only relevant if it turns into
• 33:22
  more of a 3K type race where he's got wheels over those guys.
• 33:26
  So yeah, I don't know. I, I found this, the, the
• 33:29
  tactics and the strategy that that particularly in the men's
• 33:33
  races, which were more open, which meant that a lot of men
• 33:36
  weren't prepared to take initiative because it didn't
• 33:39
  maximize their chance of winning.
• 33:40
  Just really good to watch. And that that's apparent even
• 33:44
  for those endurance guys like, say, Fisher, he's known as being
• 33:47
  like one of the fittest in the world.
• 33:49
  And he can run these when it's like time trial in the Diamond
• 33:53
  League. He can run these insanely fast
• 33:55
  times and beat the majority of the field because they just
• 33:57
  physically can't run that fast for that long.
• 34:00
  But even in one of his interviews afterwards, he's
• 34:02
  like, yeah, to go on the front and start driving the pace is
• 34:07
  just would have been suicide. Like, I know that's my strength,
• 34:09
  but I just that would have been suicide for my race.
• 34:12
  So he was able to stay in it by staying in it.
• 34:16
  But then when it comes down to it just it can't compete with
• 34:19
  those guys who can close so hard.
• 34:22
  Yeah, and it's interesting. I mean, I mean, we're jumping
• 34:25
  between races, but like in that 5K race, I'm pretty sure it's
• 34:28
  Nico Young and Grant Fisher. That sort of took a lot of
• 34:31
  initiative that made that into a 30 minute race, which is a lot
• 34:35
  faster tempo than what the 10K was.
• 34:40
  But it just burns. It just burns extra matches.
• 34:42
  And they sort of know they're not, they're not good enough to,
• 34:45
  to, to, to burn those matches, to spend those biggies without,
• 34:50
  you know, shooting themselves in the foot really.
• 34:52
  So which is just good. It just makes for an exciting
• 34:55
  sort of like racing matter. It's like they know that they
• 34:59
  should they know that their chances of winning a diminishing
• 35:02
  whilst they sit in there, but they know it will cost them if
• 35:05
  they go to the front. And then the sitting kick guys
• 35:08
  are like, taste it, you, you, you're just setting it up for
• 35:11
  me. So how would you race against
• 35:14
  your one Chiba? So she has arguably the best
• 35:18
  1500 runner all time just sitting on her and she still
• 35:21
  have kicks her. Yeah, I, I don't know.
• 35:24
  I so, yeah, not my idea, but something I listened, listened
• 35:29
  to was there was sort of suggesting that like maybe a
• 35:32
  sustained drive. So I think Chibet's one, I think
• 35:36
  she's like now 22 between her and Faith Kippy Aegon and like
• 35:40
  but like over that 5K if she turns it into because like if
• 35:45
  it's a four lap burner, I reckon Faith Kippy, Aegon maybe still
• 35:49
  beats Chibet. Like Chibet raced 1500 earlier
• 35:53
  in the year and ran 354 maybe, but it certainly wasn't 348.
• 35:59
  So it wasn't like so, so I think her best.
• 36:02
  So I think Kippy Aegon's best chances, rather than leaving it
• 36:05
  to a fast 400 or 200 is to to go from 4 laps out and just try and
• 36:11
  grind. And 1st, it's the fatigue
• 36:13
  resistance that Kippy Aegon's got by being like a mala that
• 36:16
  maybe increases her chance of beating her.
• 36:18
  Because I I'm pretty sure she bets winning all these races
• 36:21
  like those sitting, sitting kicks is.
• 36:23
  Yeah, I think you're playing into to her advantage, which is
• 36:26
  silly. Yeah, I know, I know.
• 36:28
  I don't get it either. But I think, but I think there's
• 36:30
  something to do with like I the fact that she's 6 seconds faster
• 36:35
  over over 1500. I think maybe if you're just
• 36:38
  doing some sort of sustained Dr. I mean, it clearly didn't work
• 36:41
  doing a sitting kick. And which would have more impact
• 36:45
  on your body, the 10K or the three rounds of 1500?
• 36:50
  Given that the 10K was like so slow like my my guessing is
• 36:54
  maybe because the 10K was so slow versus 3 hard rounds of
• 36:58
  1500 that maybe the 10K was maybe easier.
• 37:01
  You wouldn't normally think that but do you remember 27th Mo
• 37:04
  Farah 2017? I'm pretty sure that was the
• 37:06
  first time he got beaten in either A5 or 10K and it
• 37:09
  California, it was in the 5K and it came off the back of someone.
• 37:13
  So one of the East African, I was either Uganda, Uganda or
• 37:16
  Ethiopia absolutely like took it to him in the 10K and he ran so
• 37:20
  hard to win gold in the 10K and then he came back in the 5K and
• 37:23
  he was cooked. Yeah.
• 37:24
  So I, I, whereas I reckon if you're just sitting and jogging
• 37:27
  and then just running at 2:38 last K like the women did in
• 37:30
  that 10K, that maybe that's easier to recover.
• 37:33
  From a 5K10K double is so hard. Did you see your man Almagrin?
• 37:39
  Like he is just known for being incredibly fit and he couldn't
• 37:43
  back it up like in the heat and the 5K so.
• 37:46
  But Gracie, yeah, I mean, but. Gracie backed it up, Yeah.
• 37:49
  It depends how you recover, I suppose.
• 37:51
  I think that that's one of the themes isn't it, from the whole
• 37:53
  champs. Like over the past maybe five
• 37:56
  years people have been just getting fit and trying to enable
• 37:59
  themselves to run fast. Whereas these championships just
• 38:02
  show that you there is still a massive need to be able to one
• 38:06
  race tactically and to be able to like finish strong and
• 38:09
  actually be fast. Which, off the back of some of
• 38:12
  our recent interviews, don't you it.
• 38:16
  And this coupled with these races just makes you want to get
• 38:20
  a Sprint coach go and do some Sprint training.
• 38:22
  Yes. Have you, have you made any
• 38:24
  inroads with that? Me.
• 38:27
  Yeah. Well, I won't need it for the
• 38:29
  cross country season, but we'll see early next year what will
• 38:32
  happen. Jimmy Gracie, he, he sort of
• 38:36
  rose to fame with some of his victories in a cross country, so
• 38:39
  maybe that's where it all starts.
• 38:42
  He's got some range as well, like he runs a sub sixty half.
• 38:46
  It's just crazy. And that's what I was thinking,
• 38:48
  like when these commentators are talking about like Gressier's
• 38:51
  kick and his finish and like, he wants it to be slow and stuff
• 38:54
  and you're like, he's around 59 minutes for 1/2 marathon.
• 38:57
  Like this guy's fit as anything. He's not just like a closer.
• 39:02
  You do remember when he was in some of those diamond leagues
• 39:04
  earlier in the year, like when they were run at 12:45 pace, he
• 39:08
  was running what he was like 510 seconds behind them.
• 39:11
  Like he wasn't keeping up with the a heap of guy that Al
• 39:16
  Magron, Fisher, Niko Young, Kajelcha, Gabriel Wet.
• 39:20
  They were all running like mid 1240s and he was like 10 seconds
• 39:23
  behind with him and a couple of other French dudes when they're
• 39:27
  under 13 minutes. I mean, hard to kind of put a
• 39:30
  number on it, but then they've just run what they're seeing
• 39:33
  flat there and in that heat. Would that be 12:45-ish?
• 39:38
  Yeah, I didn't expect him to still be there.
• 39:40
  So yeah. And that was pretty.
• 39:42
  And after like you say, a hard 10K.
• 39:44
  However, let's round off this 10K and we can move on formally.
• 39:49
  So it was the slowest 10K in a world final for the men by 54
• 39:54
  seconds, which just kind of underscores everything that
• 39:58
  we've just been saying there. USA finishing 5th, 9th and 11th
• 40:03
  after having like. Realistic chances at medals, if
• 40:07
  not winning like it's it's a bit surprising really, but that's
• 40:12
  just when it comes down to a finish.
• 40:14
  It's almost a bit of a lustry like that, isn't it?
• 40:16
  You can see that there's like more Europeans and Americans in
• 40:20
  the other front now that half of Kenya is on that doping banned
• 40:23
  list. Isn't that right?
• 40:24
  Don't know. Yeah.
• 40:26
  I mean, what it's been good I think is normally like rewind
• 40:30
  what 5-7 years ago and it would be three countries sort of in
• 40:35
  the in the front group and then like Europeans N Americans like
• 40:40
  in a second group or to their own or or getting run out of it
• 40:43
  with a lap or two to go. So it was so cool saying like a
• 40:47
  full like in improper international race.
• 40:49
  I thought it was really good. And where and your one well Taji
• 40:53
  who got caught like her Ethiopian organization, we're
• 40:58
  going to let her go only for it was like WADA.
• 41:02
  And so that's why Ethiopia hasn't gotten many shot because
• 41:07
  they arranges like, yeah, go ahead, we don't mind.
• 41:10
  It's not that bad. It's a joke.
• 41:14
  It stinks a bit, doesn't it? And it kind of paints can you're
• 41:17
  in a different light now. It's like, oh, you're the good
• 41:19
  guys because you're actually catching them all.
• 41:22
  It's you're always like, I know you're grand.
• 41:25
  Doesn't matter if you miss a few.
• 41:26
  Yeah, and The Ethiopians were quite prevalent throughout these
• 41:29
  results in general as well, weren't they?
• 41:31
  But I mean, they always are. But still, like, it's, it's
• 41:33
  really not a good luck for the federation like, is it?
• 41:36
  So the next race was the men's marathon on Monday morning,
• 41:40
  which Dean's going to tell us about.
• 41:41
  Yeah, I think like the the commentator sort of summed it
• 41:46
  up. Oh, so I suppose in terms of
• 41:48
  setting the same, not to to talk too much in terms of weather,
• 41:52
  but it was reasonably hot, not as humid I think as what the
• 41:55
  women's race was, but it still was that sort of 26 to 28°.
• 41:59
  So yeah, still pretty uncomfortable.
• 42:05
  Is a high percentage humidity bad?
• 42:08
  Yeah. So the way it's 68 or 50 between
• 42:10
  68 and 54, like if it was 90, that would be really, really
• 42:14
  bad. Yes, exactly.
• 42:17
  Yeah, Yeah. The higher the percentage of
• 42:19
  humidity, the, the worse, the worse that it is.
• 42:23
  And I think as it gets more humid, the issue is your sweat
• 42:27
  doesn't evaporate. So you you sweat, your body
• 42:30
  produces sweat to cool itself. And then if it's not very humid,
• 42:33
  you'll feel that cooling effect quite quickly.
• 42:35
  So like in a dry heat, you'll feel your body sort of cool off
• 42:39
  with the sweat. Whereas when it's humid, it's
• 42:40
  sort of like cakes on you. And you see in some of those
• 42:43
  races like in Doha and stuff like even when they grab like,
• 42:46
  oh, they may have been Tokyo, but some of the strategies, and
• 42:49
  I remember, I think Salpeta maybe did it in, in Doha.
• 42:54
  Like you can see them grabbing like towels to sort of because
• 42:56
  if the sweat sort of caking on you.
• 42:57
  I think that was like a bit of a strategy to try and help your
• 43:00
  body call itself. But yeah, I think the race was
• 43:09
  it was, it wasn't. They didn't dawdle through
• 43:12
  through halfway. So they went through halfway in
• 43:14
  around 65 minutes, which in that weather it was not was not slow
• 43:20
  and I think there was already sort of people sort of starting
• 43:24
  to tail off, but there was still pretty pretty sizeable pack
• 43:29
  through halfway. And that included like a lot of
• 43:34
  a whole cast of athletes. It included who we who I had the
• 43:39
  privilege of chatting to Cam Levin so I could see him.
• 43:42
  He's sort of he's quite tall and so you could see him sitting at
• 43:45
  the back of his pack. I think cap on and Sonny's on at
• 43:50
  the back of the pack sort of on in that two sort of 210 pace
• 43:54
  cycling through his strings. Clayton Young was in there,
• 43:57
  although around halfway he Clayton Young is hit the deck,
• 44:02
  bounced up pretty quickly. But it's an interesting one.
• 44:07
  And I don't know, Ryan, if you've ever experienced this,
• 44:10
  but you know, in a marathon, so, so a lot of what you're doing is
• 44:14
  basically trying to distribute. I mean, in a lot of races,
• 44:17
  you're just trying to distribute your effort as evenly as
• 44:19
  possible. But you, you'll want to in a
• 44:22
  marathon, not spark your heart rate particularly early and
• 44:24
  you're just trying to stay relaxed.
• 44:26
  But you'll notice, as you particularly say after the 1st
• 44:30
  1015 KS, you have to be very careful in terms of avoiding any
• 44:35
  sort of surges. But let's say if you just you go
• 44:38
  to get your drink bottle and then that pack, that pack is
• 44:41
  like, it's like that imaginary line, you know, in the pool when
• 44:43
  you're like at the swimming world champs and you just see
• 44:45
  the, that imaginary line just drifting away from you, the
• 44:48
  world record line sort of thing. That's what it can be like when
• 44:51
  you sort of just switch off mentally or go to get a drink
• 44:55
  bottle or do something. And that, that invisible line
• 44:58
  that that that lead group that you're with just starts to
• 45:01
  separate away from you a little bit.
• 45:02
  And it's sometimes hard to sort of claw back.
• 45:05
  And so Clinton Young fell over, and it probably only cost him, I
• 45:08
  don't know, 5 to 10 seconds. But you sort of need to find
• 45:11
  those 5 to 10 seconds. And when it's travelling at 3
• 45:14
  minutes per kilometer, how do you get those 5 to 10 seconds
• 45:17
  back quickly? I think the fall is much more
• 45:20
  impact than just losing like a few seconds while you're on the
• 45:23
  ground. Like I think your body nearly
• 45:25
  goes into shock like he tense or there just be abdominal effect
• 45:31
  that would like. Yeah, the adrenaline spark that
• 45:34
  comes with it, all that sort of stuff.
• 45:36
  And it's sort of just, it's really not at a good time.
• 45:38
  I think if that happens just before you're about to sort of
• 45:42
  kick down, then, you know, maybe it's not too badly timed, but
• 45:46
  it's sort of it's just sort of never ideal to have that sort of
• 45:49
  thing. And I think Clan Young reflected
• 45:52
  on it in his in a post race interview, because I think he's
• 45:55
  just was trying to downplay it because he's like, I'm not here
• 45:58
  to make excuses, but he was hoping to be a bit closer up and
• 46:00
  those sorts of things when you're just trying to stay as
• 46:03
  chilly as you can for as long as you can.
• 46:04
  It's just not a wasn't an ideal thing for him to have happen.
• 46:08
  I don't think. I mean, you see it on the track.
• 46:11
  I mean, we'll talk about the men's staple chase, like, but
• 46:15
  like Mo Farah, I remember went down and won of his races,
• 46:17
  bounced in an Olympics, I think bounced back up and won.
• 46:20
  Like you can get up and get up quickly.
• 46:22
  But like, yeah, I don't think it was wasn't ideal.
• 46:25
  And I just know that feeling of when that group sort of just
• 46:28
  trying to slowly float away from you and you then you're just
• 46:30
  trying to overreach to get back on.
• 46:32
  And as soon as you start overreaching, it's very hard.
• 46:34
  Like you've just over committed and you're just on borrowed
• 46:36
  time, which yeah, I suppose it wasn't until maybe, I don't
• 46:44
  know, maybe 35 KS that people started to to started press on a
• 46:48
  bit in the marathon and gap started to appear.
• 46:51
  I think it whittled down to maybe 10 or so runners a bit and
• 46:56
  a real cast of sort of similar to the 10K.
• 46:58
  It wasn't just E Africans at the front.
• 47:02
  Yeah, some of the some of the favorites were some of the first
• 47:05
  ones to go, weren't they? The Galata and Tequila is it?
• 47:11
  Can't even remember but it was the ones we bloody picked
• 47:13
  anyway. I remember my medal.
• 47:15
  This is at that point I stopped looking at my medal chances
• 47:18
  because yeah, I would go into my Google sheet to find find these
• 47:22
  names to try and remember who I'd picked.
• 47:24
  But as soon as you saw Kenya and Ethiopia and Uganda all falling
• 47:29
  away, you realize that your picks weren't in there.
• 47:31
  I certainly didn't have the likes of like even is it
• 47:34
  Chalanga alarm? I like there was Israeli
• 47:38
  athletes. I think there was 2 Israeli
• 47:39
  athletes and two Italian athletes in that, you know, when
• 47:42
  it whittled down to that final 10.
• 47:45
  And I remember thinking, God, I didn't, I didn't have any of
• 47:47
  them in my, in my black book, that's for sure.
• 47:52
  And then, yeah, probably got to around 40 KS and they were
• 47:55
  basically really strung out. And then it finished inside the
• 48:01
  Tokyo Stadium and it was sort of, I think probably what, half
• 48:05
  a bit over half filled because they had morning athletics on,
• 48:08
  which was a, which is a clever way to do it.
• 48:10
  It just added to the atmosphere. And Felix Simbu and Emmanuel
• 48:16
  Petras were both entering the stadium side by side.
• 48:21
  And Petros is was quite is quite a rangey dude.
• 48:24
  Hey. And he was sort of trying to
• 48:27
  German athlete and he was trying to drop Simbu and sort of semi
• 48:30
  did, but he just didn't have much of A kick on him.
• 48:33
  Like it didn't look it looked a bit like a baby gazelle, like it
• 48:36
  just didn't look that smooth. And Simbu, who was like
• 48:40
  expressionless, just basically sat in there and then, yeah,
• 48:43
  just had the wheels and was just never really looked out of it.
• 48:46
  He sort of just never got put away and literally got him right
• 48:49
  on the line. And yeah, they were awarded I
• 48:54
  think the same time, but but you could sort of say it was went
• 48:59
  down to the set thousandth of a second, but you could sort of
• 49:01
  felt like Simba had A and he was awarded the goal.
• 49:04
  Yeah, it looked like he he almost gave up when Petros put
• 49:07
  that little kick in and got maybe like 5 meters even.
• 49:10
  Wasn't it coming at at like in the last 100 meters?
• 49:13
  And then he's obviously just like a fleeting thought.
• 49:15
  He's been like, no, like, you're not empty.
• 49:18
  Just like, give it what you've got.
• 49:20
  And like, he's seen the panic almost in Petros as well, once
• 49:25
  he realized he was coming back for him.
• 49:27
  Didn't, Yeah. Yeah, I think for a moment there
• 49:30
  he's probably thought he's got gold.
• 49:31
  And then yeah, he he realized no game on still through.
• 49:35
  They both threw everything at it was just a really good finish to
• 49:38
  a fun, fun race. I mean, obviously we would would
• 49:41
  have liked the likes of Cam or Clen Young or one of those guys
• 49:44
  to be out there mixing it. But it was still really good.
• 49:46
  Like, you know, all the different a heap of different
• 49:49
  countries represented Tanzania, Germany, Italy, Israel, Uganda,
• 49:55
  a trial in the US, all in the top ten.
• 49:56
  It was just it was a good race and sort of I mean, what no
• 50:01
  Ethiopian, Kenyans in the top 10.
• 50:04
  So yeah, it was it was just good race and sort of, as we spoke
• 50:08
  about before, a good reason why like these hot marathons are
• 50:12
  make for an exciting event at the World Champs.
• 50:16
  Yeah, I was getting excited, like maybe, maybe a male dropped
• 50:20
  off at like 37 or something. So maybe like 3536 when Cam
• 50:26
  Levin still there, Clayton Young still there and the male crash
• 50:28
  still there. I was like, shit, this is good.
• 50:32
  But yeah, for it to finish that way, it's like, it was on Monday
• 50:36
  morning, wasn't it? So I went the toilet to watch
• 50:39
  like the last five minutes or something, and I just was sat on
• 50:42
  the toilet, like jaw on the floor, like, Oh my God, you
• 50:45
  never see a marathon finish like that.
• 50:48
  Yeah, it was a cool finish, I think.
• 50:51
  Yeah, Well, obviously, I mean, it's as close as it gets.
• 50:53
  So yeah, that was pretty good. I seen that Simbu had a quote
• 50:58
  from his interview and he said I just stayed with the group.
• 51:02
  Like that was my plan, like be in the group but don't be
• 51:05
  prevalent. I mean, I'm literally putting
• 51:07
  words in his mouth. But his quote was I just stayed
• 51:10
  with the group and that's kind of shown by his positioning.
• 51:14
  So AT20K, obviously the group is massive, so they've kind of all
• 51:19
  gone through together, but he was placed 30th, so showing that
• 51:23
  he's at the back of the group. AT30K he's 17th, so that's
• 51:29
  either he's moved slightly forwards in the group or there's
• 51:32
  probably a few people who've dropped off and stuff by then.
• 51:35
  And then by 40K he's 5th. So you can see that with just
• 51:41
  two K to go, he's in 5th place and like he's literally just
• 51:45
  timed it to perfection and let everyone else do all the work
• 51:49
  for him. Did you see that he made his
• 51:51
  where he made his his debut? No, no.
• 51:55
  He made his marathon debut on the Gold Coast in 2014.
• 51:59
  There you go. Yeah, so someone from the Gold
• 52:04
  Coast social media team must have been getting a little bonus
• 52:07
  for digging that one out because they posted it in the week.
• 52:10
  It's cool. So I also seen that he was fifth
• 52:14
  in the Rio 2016 Olympics. In 2017 worlds, he got a bronze
• 52:20
  medal in London. In 2019 worlds he was 16th.
• 52:24
  In 2022 COM Games he was second. But obviously the field in the
• 52:29
  Com games is a little bit diluted.
• 52:32
  He DNF the last World champs. He was 17th at the Paris
• 52:35
  Olympics and he was ranked 11th in the the road to Tokyo amongst
• 52:40
  like kind of the field, I guess. So yeah, he's, he's had a
• 52:45
  massive breakthrough run. And he also said that he got an
• 52:49
  invitation, he's had an invitation to run New York later
• 52:52
  this year on the back of that. So he might find himself cashing
• 52:56
  a decent payday there, which rightly so fair play to him.
• 53:00
  I was also noting the number of DNFS.
• 53:03
  Well, I thought afterwards, I want to see.
• 53:05
  So 66 people finished and 22 DNF, which is like quite a high
• 53:11
  percentage really. Yeah, I get it, though, because
• 53:14
  you can really dig yourself a bad hole if you finish a
• 53:18
  marathon and you're absolutely gone, whereas a lot of these
• 53:21
  guys will back up for Valencia. Like that's exactly what Chris
• 53:25
  is thinking. Like 100%.
• 53:27
  Oh, it didn't. They know the weather before
• 53:28
  they started. For yeah, they're just soft.
• 53:34
  I mean, we'll get to this when we get to the 1500, but I would
• 53:37
  sooner see a meal if we if he drops off the pack and he's not
• 53:42
  going to like be competitive at 37 K and he's got 5K to go As
• 53:46
  soon as see him jog it in or he's not jogging but end up
• 53:51
  running to 14 or something and finished then Josh Kerr continue
• 53:56
  to bloody limp around the track and run 411.
• 53:59
  I respect that from car though I don't know why like finished the
• 54:02
  race. Well, to be honest, it probably
• 54:04
  don't care about because, well, it's a season over and but yeah,
• 54:09
  I don't know. I don't like seeing people drop
• 54:10
  out. It's like giving up.
• 54:11
  Like Laros in the five Ki mean. I just felt bad for him though
• 54:16
  was a little bit sad because obviously I had all these
• 54:19
  expectations going into it and then he's just obviously
• 54:22
  literally physically and mentally given up and just sat
• 54:25
  on the sidelines. Like 4 bit of weight of
• 54:28
  expectation got to him. Grow a pair.
• 54:32
  Like come on, give your whole future idea.
• 54:35
  Just use it as a learning experience.
• 54:36
  Don't cry and sit down. Get up.
• 54:40
  Yeah, I'm so I'm sort of with Ryan as well, reluctantly, but
• 54:45
  like I I felt for Larros like because I get coming to his
• 54:49
  parents and some of the commentary and like, you know,
• 54:51
  his parents are off as he's getting overtaken in the 1500.
• 54:55
  He's gonna have a mayor in the 5K.
• 54:57
  Like it's like I felt for him. And then Cara was like, what are
• 55:01
  you doing? Like you're clearly like
• 55:03
  something's wrong. Like you quit, you're lame.
• 55:05
  And so like does it, like, I get it.
• 55:08
  If you, if you're attending the World Championships and your
• 55:11
  goal is to participate, then I think you would just you, you
• 55:15
  want to finish no matter what. And I think there's some honor
• 55:18
  in just making it, limping to the finish line, particularly in
• 55:20
  the marathon or in any event. But yeah, if you're human,
• 55:24
  you're risking an injury and you're, you're, you're a full
• 55:27
  time professional, like you're, you'll, you'll be at the next
• 55:30
  World championships. I don't know if it was your last
• 55:33
  one, I'd get it, but I didn't get, I didn't understand what
• 55:35
  was going through his head to like he kept trying to search to
• 55:39
  get back in. We'll probably get to it, but I
• 55:41
  don't know. It didn't make a lot of sense.
• 55:42
  To round off those marathon results, I think come ended up
• 55:45
  come Lemons finished 12th. Owens countryman Peter Lynch
• 55:49
  finished in 24th in 240 in, which is pretty good result
• 55:54
  really. Yeah, he'd be happy with that.
• 55:59
  Like 24th in the world. It's pretty good and like when
• 56:02
  your national record is 209 like he like it was warm apparently
• 56:10
  like to be 5 minutes off your best yes not too bad.
• 56:12
  Yeah, like, and all the notable finishes.
• 56:15
  And Tim Vincent was 44th and 2:20.
• 56:19
  And Sandra Moen of Norway, we know he's a 205 guy.
• 56:22
  He finished 49th in 221 with a 66 first half split and a 75
• 56:29
  second-half split. That's doing it tough.
• 56:31
  The next final, I think in chronological order was the
• 56:34
  women's 1500 meters. So to summarise the heat, Aaron
• 56:38
  Wallace and Laura Muir of Team GB didn't make it out the heat,
• 56:44
  Laura Nicholson of Ireland didn't make it out the heat,
• 56:47
  neither did Sarah Billings of Australia.
• 56:50
  As we got to the semis, Linden Hall, Sophie O'Sullivan and Reve
• 56:54
  Walcott Nolan then dropped out. So in terms of the final, how it
• 56:59
  actually panned out, Kippie had gone straight to the front.
• 57:02
  Hall, I don't know if you noticed this.
• 57:04
  I thought it was just a bit odd to look at like she went so wide
• 57:09
  to kind of get herself round everyone and up onto Faith's
• 57:12
  shoulder. But you could kind of see then
• 57:15
  that that was her tactic. Like she wasn't trying to finish
• 57:18
  second here. She was trying to give her
• 57:20
  everything she had and see what that meant.
• 57:23
  So then that meant that as they got to 200 to go, Jess was still
• 57:28
  with Kippy Aegon at that point, and they'd almost got a couple
• 57:32
  of meters into the Kenyan athletes behind them.
• 57:34
  And you're thinking, shit, Jess is racing for gold here.
• 57:39
  And then within like 20 meters, Kippy Aegon puts her foot down.
• 57:42
  It's like, Oh my God, race over straight away.
• 57:44
  Like the way she pulls away and extends is just like, especially
• 57:49
  when you then see Jess Hall go on to run 157 in the 800.
• 57:53
  And when you see what Kippy Aegon's done to her there, it's
• 57:55
  like, Jesus Christ. So then as it was, Jess's
• 58:00
  clinging on to her bronze medals.
• 58:02
  She got passed by Dorcas Awoi, who is a young Kenyan athlete.
• 58:07
  I think she might be like 19 or 20.
• 58:09
  And then you're thinking, shit, it's almost going to be a repeat
• 58:12
  of the Zurich Diamond League as Nelly chapter chair is striding
• 58:16
  towards her. But she's just and like you see
• 58:19
  Jesse stride shortening and shortening.
• 58:21
  But she's just held on to get the bronze medal, which I think
• 58:25
  is still a fantastic results because you've got like Nikki
• 58:29
  Hills down in fifth. Hey, Lou.
• 58:32
  And I think it's great courage from Jess to kind of race for
• 58:36
  the win when she could have just settled for silver.
• 58:39
  And yeah, she's hard to go put herself out there.
• 58:43
  And Sarah Healy's top ten in the world, she's finished 10th.
• 58:46
  So that's fantastic result from her because I can't remember
• 58:49
  which round it was, but I think she's pretty close to getting
• 58:52
  through. She actually didn't qualify over
• 58:55
  the semi, she came 7th but an Italian girl got DQ D so she got
• 59:03
  D cured and then Healy was next in so she was lucky to get into
• 59:07
  the final. But yeah, top ten in the world
• 59:09
  for play. And I think if you look back at
• 59:11
  like the season she's had, she probably deserves it.
• 59:14
  Like she's she's had some really good results here and there,
• 59:17
  hasn't she? Perhaps earlier on, but it's
• 59:20
  good. I think, yeah, like I think if
• 59:23
  she ran less, she could have done better.
• 59:25
  Like she don't a crazy amount of races throughout the whole year.
• 59:29
  Like she's been at such a high level, like you can only keep it
• 59:31
  up for so long. So I think in a different world,
• 59:35
  if she runs like half the races she did and she could even come
• 59:39
  in fresher and finish better. Well, she's part of that M11,
• 59:44
  isn't she? And you think obviously they
• 59:45
  must have like great contacts in terms of getting them into
• 59:48
  races. So she's probably just cashed in
• 59:50
  on it. Like it's almost like she she
• 59:53
  would have to choose not to race and be actively turning down
• 59:56
  these opportunities, whereas other people are like kind of
• 59:59
  trying to find them. But yeah, good result for her in
• 1:00:03
  terms of Kippy Aegon and the winner, she's that was a four
• 1:00:06
  1500 meter world title. She's also got a 5000 world
• 1:00:10
  title to go with that. So five of them, 3 Olympic
• 1:00:14
  Games. This is just disgusting when you
• 1:00:17
  click into her honours on World Athletics.
• 1:00:20
  It kind of separate out separates out between like
• 1:00:22
  Olympics, world champs, Diamond League.
• 1:00:25
  So the Diamond League races are all in a big massive list.
• 1:00:29
  She's had 35 races and won them all.
• 1:00:32
  It's absurd. We should never lost a Diamond
• 1:00:36
  League. Wow.
• 1:00:37
  Maybe, maybe this is a lie because I've, I think I've
• 1:00:40
  clicked into the honours so it showed all the ones that she's
• 1:00:43
  won. So maybe she has lost a few, but
• 1:00:46
  she's at least 135. What age is she?
• 1:00:48
  Is she getting on? Well, she must be with three
• 1:00:50
  Olympic Games and like her head to her marathon.
• 1:00:56
  She's washed. Or when she back goes to the
• 1:01:00
  marathon or something like that. That's crazy.
• 1:01:02
  Just think of will she even make it that far?
• 1:01:04
  She probably that rich that she'll just cash in after a
• 1:01:07
  track career with all that breaking for shit.
• 1:01:09
  Like she probably got a couple of million from that.
• 1:01:12
  And when you look back on that now, it's almost like, don't
• 1:01:16
  know. I haven't thought about it since
• 1:01:18
  and it does just seem like a proper exhibition thing almost
• 1:01:22
  forgotten about. But she obviously still would
• 1:01:24
  have got paid a lot for it. She's 31.
• 1:01:28
  We still better life in the dog yet.
• 1:01:30
  She's got a short marathon career I had there.
• 1:01:32
  If you're her agents, you're taking her to the roads.
• 1:01:34
  Yeah, I would. She'd clean up.
• 1:01:37
  I'll be careful, you might be getting some doping accusations
• 1:01:40
  thrown your way if you were her agent.
• 1:01:43
  Whoa, we never mentioned doping, only the people that get caught.
• 1:01:49
  All right, then men's 1500 meters was the next final.
• 1:01:52
  So I think we covered off the heats in last week's episode
• 1:01:55
  because there was some notable absentees there.
• 1:01:59
  And in terms of the semis, we then lost Ethan Strand, who the
• 1:02:03
  Americans were raving about going into this.
• 1:02:06
  And I think he was quoted in saying like, yeah, that heat was
• 1:02:10
  so hard. And if you you're probably not
• 1:02:13
  interested to look back, but if you noticed at the time, he
• 1:02:16
  didn't look too comfortable. So yeah, he's only young, Big
• 1:02:20
  learning experience for him. Then Nordas went out too, and he
• 1:02:24
  kind of looked the opposite. He looked great in his heath, so
• 1:02:26
  that was a bit of a shocker. Speaking of a shocker, brings us
• 1:02:32
  on to call Hawker because he was DQ in his semi for Jocelyn.
• 1:02:38
  Yeah, I think that is so harsh. Like Farrakhan was going
• 1:02:42
  backwards. Hawker, he lit.
• 1:02:44
  Hawker just literally slipped by him.
• 1:02:46
  I thought it was so harsh. It's like VAR in it.
• 1:02:50
  They've they've gone to the rule book and applied it.
• 1:02:54
  Yeah. Fucking pushed if I can pushed
• 1:02:57
  him. Farkin Chase got through which
• 1:03:05
  the Steve Cram and stuff. We're calling them Tashita.
• 1:03:09
  I think is is the actual pronunciation.
• 1:03:12
  I just wanted to stay away from. Speaking of, I see.
• 1:03:17
  Here, Speaking of Farrakhan, shite the Aussies.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah, none of them made them made it through.
• 1:03:27
  Did they made it out of the heights?
• 1:03:31
  But I think did we do we speak about this or maybe it's just in
• 1:03:35
  my mind, but they they sort of were ranked.
• 1:03:37
  What were they ranked outside the top 16 Any Oh, no, top what
• 1:03:42
  is it top 12 go through to the final.
• 1:03:44
  And so 24. I mean, now around they're all
• 1:03:47
  ranked within 21 to 30 or three of them.
• 1:03:52
  Yeah, I put that work. I think that just ran to what
• 1:03:56
  they had wasn't enough. And we lost Elliott Giles and
• 1:03:59
  Kyle Doyle. So from our nation's Kostra and
• 1:04:03
  Neil Gurley, Josh Kerr and Whiteman advance to the final
• 1:04:08
  SO. You can tell a lot about the
• 1:04:11
  training groups like Cal Doyle and Giles trained together like
• 1:04:18
  Jude, Sarah L them MTC guys like I'd say a lot of them would have
• 1:04:24
  been disappointed with the way they run.
• 1:04:26
  Andrew cost grin and Hannah not all she done very damn to done
• 1:04:30
  very well. You can see which training
• 1:04:31
  groups sort of got it right. The on training group, which
• 1:04:35
  maybe got knocked a little bit at Paris because they'd and
• 1:04:40
  prior so prior to Paris, when were they on fire?
• 1:04:44
  Was it 2022 Olly Hall won com games.
• 1:04:47
  There was some you know, they would they would do Beamish.
• 1:04:51
  I don't I don't know that was they were doing well then
• 1:04:53
  they've been hot and cold, but that will probably what pretty
• 1:04:56
  hot again, at least for the guys that were racing.
• 1:04:58
  I mean, Beamish to win gold and Kai Robinson forth, that's
• 1:05:03
  pretty good return from from those guys.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah, good turn off besides Mills, but like there's
• 1:05:10
  different types of on groups Europe in America And so how the
• 1:05:14
  race panned out. It was weird because Josh Kerr
• 1:05:17
  went like usually he'll go to the front or at least like be
• 1:05:21
  prominent. And he like he ran like so
• 1:05:25
  aggressively towards the rail. It was like he was a magnet to
• 1:05:28
  it, wasn't it? He was like sock straight into
• 1:05:30
  the rail because he must have had a bit of a wide draw.
• 1:05:33
  And Larros went to the front, but he didn't go to the front
• 1:05:37
  with any pace. He just went to the front to
• 1:05:39
  kind of like be there and almost slowed it down once he got
• 1:05:42
  there. And then Whiteman appears on
• 1:05:45
  Larros's shoulder and talking about like racing instinct and
• 1:05:50
  stuff. Like you feel like Whiteman's
• 1:05:52
  just got that, hasn't he? Like a lot of people kind of
• 1:05:54
  struggle with these tactics and like placement, getting boxed in
• 1:05:57
  and being at the back and stuff. But Whiteman I think kind of
• 1:06:01
  like just naturally compared to like football, soccer people are
• 1:06:06
  like, just like natural finishes and stuff.
• 1:06:08
  Whiteman is that like natural racer.
• 1:06:12
  And then Timothy Chariot kind of pops up and joins Laros at the
• 1:06:15
  front and talking to training groups.
• 1:06:18
  These two train together. Is it the the old Polish 800m
• 1:06:23
  runner, Levandowski? He's actually their coach, which
• 1:06:26
  is quite bizarre. But you're looking at them too
• 1:06:30
  when they get to the front and thinking, shit, there's going to
• 1:06:32
  be some some teamwork here. Maybe Chariot, the old dog, he's
• 1:06:37
  going to sacrifice himself and run Laros to the finish.
• 1:06:41
  But it didn't quite happen. So the first 400 was 59.5 which
• 1:06:46
  is like incredibly slow 800. I think they split in like 2
• 1:06:50
  flats, which is literally jogging.
• 1:06:53
  And then around just before 900, that's when Josh Cares had this
• 1:06:58
  bit of a mishap and at first, like, it looked like he got
• 1:07:02
  shot, didn't it is like out of nowhere, something is just
• 1:07:06
  pinged and he's like stepped on the infield a few times and then
• 1:07:09
  dropped off and like, tried to reattach himself.
• 1:07:13
  It was a bizarre one because he coming back up that back
• 1:07:17
  straight to like towards the bell.
• 1:07:19
  He almost did reattach himself. And then he was like completely
• 1:07:24
  gone. Well, yeah.
• 1:07:27
  And it has no impact. And my opinion means nothing to
• 1:07:32
  Josh Kerr, but I think he probably should have just
• 1:07:34
  stepped off there and then given like how dramatic it was when he
• 1:07:37
  pulled up. But he can say he's another
• 1:07:42
  world championship finisher, I guess, if that means something
• 1:07:45
  to him. But I don't know.
• 1:07:47
  It'd be interesting to get like his coaches taking stuff,
• 1:07:50
  whether they were like, oh, Josh, you should have stepped
• 1:07:52
  off or whether they like are fair play, you're battled
• 1:07:55
  through. But was it Moose from inside
• 1:08:00
  running was saying he's seen him in the hotel.
• 1:08:02
  And the next morning, he was like, literally having to be
• 1:08:05
  supported to walk, as in, like, arm around the shoulder.
• 1:08:09
  So if you think about that, you're probably thinking it
• 1:08:12
  wasn't the wisest idea. Do we know what it is?
• 1:08:15
  His Achilles is it. I think there is a quote from
• 1:08:17
  Dan Mackino actually, but I don't have it to hand.
• 1:08:21
  It doesn't look good though, does it?
• 1:08:23
  Although the race carried on and there's still lots of people in
• 1:08:27
  it. And as you get, we're coming
• 1:08:28
  down towards the last 200 to go and Whiteman makes that move
• 1:08:32
  that he made on Yakub a couple of years ago when he won it.
• 1:08:35
  And you're thinking, shit, to be honest, at first I was thinking
• 1:08:40
  it's maybe a bit early because Laros goes with him when he goes
• 1:08:43
  and you're thinking Laros is just, you played right into his
• 1:08:46
  hands. He's just going to use this
• 1:08:48
  search that you've put in and like slingshot right back off
• 1:08:51
  you. But it just didn't happen like
• 1:08:54
  you see. And once they got onto the
• 1:08:56
  straight, that Laros was given it what he had and he just
• 1:08:59
  wasn't moving forward. And then talking about like
• 1:09:03
  glancing towards the screen and stuff, you see him white men
• 1:09:06
  doing that. And you're like, no, just
• 1:09:08
  fucking look and go. And then, oh, it's like so close
• 1:09:13
  towards the end, I'm like willing the finishing line to
• 1:09:16
  come because I just wanted him to win so bad for himself
• 1:09:19
  because, you know, kind of like the journey that he's being on
• 1:09:22
  and stuff. And it was massively unexpected
• 1:09:25
  for him to even be in this position.
• 1:09:28
  And then I think it's Reynold Chariot who starts closing the
• 1:09:32
  gap before Nadair, isn't it? And then Nadair just like
• 1:09:37
  appears in lane 3, and he's moving at a massively faster
• 1:09:43
  speed than both of them. And it's just a case of whether
• 1:09:46
  Whiteman's going to get to the line or not, because Nadair is
• 1:09:49
  going to pass him at some point. And literally on the line in
• 1:09:54
  334. So Whiteman ended up with the
• 1:09:56
  silver, Isaac Nadair of Portugal, who was literally not
• 1:10:00
  spoken about at all going into these championships, comes away
• 1:10:05
  with the gold and Renault Chariot of Kenya goes away with
• 1:10:09
  the bronze. So big, big upsets.
• 1:10:13
  I think I've seen that Nadair was maybe like 250 to one say
• 1:10:18
  prior to the heat. So obviously as the rounds have
• 1:10:20
  progressed, that's come in and come in, but it's just insane
• 1:10:25
  offsets. Wasn't he another one that won
• 1:10:27
  one of the like main Diamond League races during this season?
• 1:10:31
  I think. Yeah, he did win one.
• 1:10:33
  I can't remember what one it was because.
• 1:10:35
  Oslo maybe have to check. Yeah, it was the bizarre games.
• 1:10:40
  Yeah, like the dream mile or is that the one?
• 1:10:44
  But like so like he won one of the key Diamond League races.
• 1:10:48
  Gracia won one of the key Diamond League races, and then
• 1:10:52
  so did Kameli, who nearly won the, you know, was a dip away
• 1:10:57
  from winning the 5K. Like they're three guys that
• 1:11:01
  were, let's say, north of 50 to one chances.
• 1:11:05
  So real rough is to be mixing it with it, let's say that well,
• 1:11:10
  comfortably outside the top probably 8 of their respective
• 1:11:15
  fields going into it. But because of the nature of
• 1:11:17
  these races, like I think we sort of so World Athletics I
• 1:11:22
  think has done a really good job of creating this points and auto
• 1:11:27
  qualifying time system, which is basically forcing everyone to
• 1:11:31
  train at such a high level to run really fast.
• 1:11:33
  So then it's sort of a given that everyone's sort of pretty
• 1:11:36
  close to being able to compete with each other in terms of
• 1:11:39
  pace. Then all of a sudden you add in
• 1:11:42
  the fact that now all of a sudden no one's taking these
• 1:11:44
  races out too fast where the fastest one wins.
• 1:11:47
  It means that all of these serves, someone that's got some
• 1:11:50
  wheels that can win a race is, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:11:53
  It can pop up. So I don't know.
• 1:11:55
  It just gets me thinking ahead of next year that you sort of
• 1:11:58
  keep an eye to some of these guys that have got really good
• 1:12:00
  kicks ahead of the championships.
• 1:12:03
  It's even more of a reason to send everyone who qualifies.
• 1:12:07
  Like the UK are not like it. The underdogs can win these
• 1:12:10
  races. Like the UK are so silly not
• 1:12:12
  sending the full team. Yep.
• 1:12:15
  Well, that's it. Like like you're saying that in
• 1:12:17
  the form lines are there in with hindsight and you go back and
• 1:12:20
  look through it. You can, kind of.
• 1:12:22
  It makes sense, just not on a face value.
• 1:12:26
  Initially maybe it doesn't stand out, but when you have hindsight
• 1:12:30
  you can see it. Or you can find a reasoning for
• 1:12:32
  it anyway. Yeah, I think like, I mean, not
• 1:12:37
  to get hung up on these betting agencies, but these betting
• 1:12:39
  agencies are doing their best. They're they're doing these best
• 1:12:42
  to set lines such that they make money.
• 1:12:44
  So they're doing their best to try and predict outcomes as we
• 1:12:47
  are when we're doing a competition on who they think is
• 1:12:49
  going to win races. But a lot of them are just
• 1:12:52
  setting it based on sort of all they've got is a lot of these
• 1:12:55
  times, like they seem to wait times a lot, but a lot of the
• 1:12:58
  times go out the window to a degree when it comes to a major
• 1:13:02
  championship because it doesn't. And so they're not taking into
• 1:13:05
  the heat, then they're not taking into the account the
• 1:13:08
  rounds, and then they're not taking into account the style of
• 1:13:11
  racing that's successful for you to be a winner championship.
• 1:13:16
  And so, yeah, so unless you've got these races that are sort of
• 1:13:19
  set up like a Diamond League, like we saw in the women's 1500,
• 1:13:23
  like Faith QPA gone, I think she ran like 64626050 something like
• 1:13:29
  she literally ran this like textbook progressive 1500 and
• 1:13:33
  ran everyone off her feet and sort of didn't give anyone a
• 1:13:36
  chance to take gold off her. And because she's considerably
• 1:13:40
  better than anyone, that's how it works.
• 1:13:42
  But in these other races where, like you say, Grant Fisher knows
• 1:13:44
  he can't just lead everyone to like he would just be leading
• 1:13:49
  Kajelcha to a win if he just sets a really fast tempo in 10K.
• 1:13:53
  So all of a sudden the races just completely change.
• 1:13:55
  And so everyone knew in this 1500, there's no Yacob who's
• 1:13:58
  just going to set tempo and going to turn it into a fast
• 1:14:01
  race. So then all these guys that are
• 1:14:02
  the most prolific, like if, if Laros gets paced in this, like
• 1:14:07
  he possibly still wins, right? Like he, he him kicking off a
• 1:14:11
  330 paced race still looks like the best guy who you'd probably
• 1:14:15
  pick. Whereas if it's 335, well, Jake
• 1:14:18
  Wyman, like his wheels are insane.
• 1:14:20
  Like when he gets fit, he just looks, he looks so good.
• 1:14:26
  It just changes the race entirely.
• 1:14:27
  Did you see his interview afterwards at all?
• 1:14:30
  It was quite, quite lengthy, 15 minutes, but it was literally he
• 1:14:35
  was still in his kit and like spikes in hand and stuff.
• 1:14:38
  Well, Laura Miller comes up, gives him a hug and stuff.
• 1:14:41
  Is that? Yeah, I think so.
• 1:14:44
  And he's just like spoken from the heart and like it's so raw.
• 1:14:48
  It was it was class like he's saying earlier in the year, like
• 1:14:52
  he was doubt on whether like he was still going to run.
• 1:14:55
  And even he said he joked and said to Neil Gurley, if if I
• 1:15:00
  don't get out the heat, then I think I'm done.
• 1:15:02
  And like that kind of shows his mentality and his expectation of
• 1:15:05
  himself going into it was like this could be over in the heat.
• 1:15:09
  But he said that I'm not quoting him directly.
• 1:15:12
  This is the general kind of consensus he was given was like,
• 1:15:16
  I just went to race freely. Like once the kind of final was
• 1:15:20
  clear in terms of who's going to be there, I knew what type of
• 1:15:24
  race it would be and I knew I'd be able to race for the win.
• 1:15:26
  I knew I was in it. And he said he even had like a
• 1:15:31
  fleeting thought of like, this is coming up that hundred
• 1:15:34
  straight. If this comes down to I'm going
• 1:15:36
  to have to throw myself, which he did.
• 1:15:38
  Like he literally gave her everything so.
• 1:15:42
  Do you know why he split up with his old man?
• 1:15:44
  Do you know why they're not? Why he's not coaching anymore?
• 1:15:47
  Because he kept getting them injured, he said it was it was
• 1:15:51
  going to start to detriment their relationship as like
• 1:15:54
  father, son, so you. Always wondered how that how
• 1:15:56
  that works hey. But you know who's coach is now?
• 1:16:02
  His girlfriend's dad. That's right.
• 1:16:05
  I did hear that in the commentary, yeah.
• 1:16:07
  She's Irish. Oh, she yeah, She's a good
• 1:16:11
  runner herself. He said actually that she acts
• 1:16:14
  as like his almost liaison officer.
• 1:16:17
  So he he will come home after training and like obviously
• 1:16:21
  offload like I'm feeling this like on my legs killing or
• 1:16:24
  whatever. And his girlfriend is then that
• 1:16:27
  line of communication to her dad and like kind of tells exactly
• 1:16:32
  how Jake's feeling, you know, whereas maybe he would struggle
• 1:16:35
  to have these like open and honest conversations with his
• 1:16:37
  dad or because they do have that father son relationship, he
• 1:16:41
  might feel like he's not had properly.
• 1:16:44
  So it's like completely different sets up, but it's kind
• 1:16:48
  of cool that is kind of utilizing the relationships that
• 1:16:52
  way. What else did he say?
• 1:16:53
  Because I'm sure there's a couple of other like gems in
• 1:16:56
  there. So as.
• 1:16:57
  If they break out, what is it the dad did there?
• 1:17:01
  Yeah, then that is some serious politics, isn't it?
• 1:17:06
  Where would you pick if you were in the dad shoes?
• 1:17:09
  I mean my bias was go straight to Whiteman.
• 1:17:16
  Where was going to win your money?
• 1:17:17
  Because I don't know if you've heard about this story this time
• 1:17:19
  when I ran with them, this guy, you know, I realized the other
• 1:17:23
  day that is he was actually on that run or one of them.
• 1:17:26
  It must she is. He must have done Zarpeck that
• 1:17:28
  year because she was there as well.
• 1:17:30
  But like, at the time I didn't kind of like know where for her
• 1:17:34
  to know her to be now. And you and Jake still keep in
• 1:17:38
  touch. As one one way communication now
• 1:17:42
  I think. No.
• 1:17:46
  I'm sure he'll be a very busy man now.
• 1:17:48
  On the back of that though, like his, his profile will be
• 1:17:52
  massively inflated. So come crawling back, don't
• 1:17:54
  worry. That's it.
• 1:17:55
  I'll always be here for you, Jake, Don't worry.
• 1:17:59
  Speaking of interview, future interviewees or past
• 1:18:03
  interviewees, but what were your thoughts?
• 1:18:07
  Reflections on Andrew's race, Owen.
• 1:18:09
  I totally done everything right, like I'm trying to remember now.
• 1:18:16
  There were so many. Races so well in the heats
• 1:18:19
  didn't he like heats semies he looked put himself in good spots
• 1:18:22
  had had the wheels and then he just like that fifty.
• 1:18:27
  I think we might have spoke to him about it last week but like
• 1:18:29
  and laughing about the Aussies getting knocked out.
• 1:18:31
  But the depth of it, right, like some of the guys that got run
• 1:18:34
  out in like Jacob and others that didn't make it through the
• 1:18:38
  heats. And then yeah, other top runners
• 1:18:39
  that got knocked out in the semis, like even to get into the
• 1:18:42
  final, like it was a ridiculously date final.
• 1:18:45
  All these guys are running low, airing low 330 shape.
• 1:18:48
  So and what is he a second and a half off of gold?
• 1:18:52
  Like it's not if that like it's not like he's far off.
• 1:18:57
  Yeah, and it's the whole thing of like nailing a championship.
• 1:18:59
  So like everything he'd done there, he ran well in the
• 1:19:03
  championship, so he sort of found something that will work.
• 1:19:07
  So yeah, it's promising. Unlike I think even your
• 1:19:10
  confidence, like you're a world finalist, like he's top 12 in
• 1:19:13
  the world, so top 10. So yeah, it's all positive.
• 1:19:19
  Yeah, because that was an interesting insight he shared,
• 1:19:22
  was just about how in the past he sort of pushed so hard and
• 1:19:27
  like your natural tendency, you can imagine when you're a couple
• 1:19:30
  of months out from a major event that you just want to throw
• 1:19:32
  everything at it, but he ends up getting sick.
• 1:19:35
  And so this time he was Eric on the side of caution.
• 1:19:38
  So maybe not throwing everything at it, but just wanting to be
• 1:19:41
  there. And it seemed to seemed to that
• 1:19:45
  that seemed to work well for him.
• 1:19:49
  But like, you, you have to be healthy as well, like do all the
• 1:19:53
  training, but being healthy is probably the biggest part of it.
• 1:19:56
  So there's no point of like run yourself into the ground and
• 1:19:59
  then getting sick a week before. Like, so yeah, fair play time
• 1:20:02
  changing groups and umm, yeah, it's worked.
• 1:20:06
  He's a world finalist. He can always have that, bring
• 1:20:08
  that to the grave with him. But umm.
• 1:20:10
  Yeah, it's positive. I think Europeans are next year.
• 1:20:13
  So like, you never know what can happen in that.
• 1:20:15
  You could be the easy double correspondent there there in
• 1:20:18
  Birmingham. Birmingham, yeah, I go be fun.
• 1:20:24
  I might be there myself. You, you've just given me a
• 1:20:27
  flashback of last night because this guy in the pub is, is from
• 1:20:32
  Queensland. It was a bit of a mad hat like
• 1:20:35
  from the Outback. And then he kept telling me he
• 1:20:39
  kept calling me Tommy Shelby and I was like, what are you going
• 1:20:42
  on? Well, I was like you.
• 1:20:43
  You've got the cities wrong for one.
• 1:20:46
  And they he just kept he had the cap on it kept looking at me,
• 1:20:49
  catching my eye and going, Tommy, if we're fighting
• 1:20:53
  tonight, me and you will have them.
• 1:20:55
  And I'm just like what? He on about me.
• 1:20:59
  He's telling me how he he shoots all these Crocs and bloody
• 1:21:03
  Buffalo and stuff in far north QLD just like, oh, you're a
• 1:21:08
  wild. He had a few too many.
• 1:21:11
  Yeah, but yes, I changed subjects.
• 1:21:13
  Sorry. You can.
• 1:21:15
  It goes to Birmingham on our behalf.
• 1:21:19
  That'd be fun. Let me see, I've just found the
• 1:21:22
  quotes I was looking for in Whiteman's interview.
• 1:21:24
  So he said he only does 40 to 50 miles running per week, more
• 1:21:29
  tempo than ever. And he emphasized that it's all
• 1:21:31
  controlled and just lots of Sprint stuff.
• 1:21:35
  Everything else is cross training, so that's like low
• 1:21:38
  volume. Isn't it the sprints again
• 1:21:41
  though? Yeah, well, that's what, less
• 1:21:43
  than 100 KS a week? 50 miles?
• 1:21:46
  I mean 6 I see 80 KA week or something.
• 1:21:49
  Yeah, I think he says he's like, I'm 31 maybe now.
• 1:21:53
  Like I've I've tried pushing 100 miles a week and stuff.
• 1:21:56
  I know lots of these other guys in my races are doing like big
• 1:21:59
  volume, but as I've found with my dad, like we just run into
• 1:22:02
  injuries all the time and clearly I can run well and
• 1:22:05
  compete off this low volume. So it does make you wonder like
• 1:22:10
  there are multiple ways to do things.
• 1:22:13
  I think obviously the more you go up the distance, the more
• 1:22:17
  prevalent volume is, but still you can supplement in places.
• 1:22:23
  And that was the other thing in the maybe you're thinking he'd
• 1:22:27
  gone too early at 200. And they after they asked him,
• 1:22:29
  the interviewer said to him, do you think in hindsight, do you
• 1:22:33
  regret doing that? And he was like, no, it's
• 1:22:36
  deliberate because I like to come into the the actual
• 1:22:38
  straight, being in the lead and having like a clear direction so
• 1:22:43
  I can focus on the finish line and just think about getting
• 1:22:45
  there. He said.
• 1:22:47
  When you watch kind of like the, the packs get all messy and
• 1:22:50
  people are trying to like scrap for a way out and stuff.
• 1:22:53
  I don't want to be getting caught up in that.
• 1:22:55
  I just want to have me and the finish line and that's my race.
• 1:22:59
  Not like scrapping with people to find the guy.
• 1:23:02
  That's fair enough. So that takes us to the women's
• 1:23:05
  5000 meters, which was just last night, Saturday night.
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  So whilst I was speaking to this mad Queenslander, I think you're
• 1:23:11
  watching it then. I did, yeah.
• 1:23:13
  It was a yeah, it was, it was interesting.
• 1:23:16
  I think there was sort of two main chances, right?
• 1:23:22
  Faith KPI gone, winner of the 1500, and Beatrice Chibet,
• 1:23:27
  winner of the 10,000, was sort of the two favourites going in.
• 1:23:31
  And yeah, it's pretty interesting.
• 1:23:33
  I think the two American ladies sort of went to the front and
• 1:23:39
  sort of didn't have much interest in terms of pushing the
• 1:23:41
  pace. I think the first K was 3/17 and
• 1:23:44
  then a few people sort of then it did.
• 1:23:47
  There was a bit of jostling in terms of who wanted to sort of
• 1:23:49
  get into better position before it would inevitably kick down.
• 1:23:53
  That sort of drove the pace up. And so I think the next three KS
• 1:23:56
  were 302258 and 256. So getting quicker, but still
• 1:24:01
  sort of like 15 minute pace, which I think the heats were one
• 1:24:05
  in or at least one of the heats I remember was comfortably under
• 1:24:09
  15 minutes. So like that, that sort of pace
• 1:24:12
  wasn't really, that didn't really count anyone out of it.
• 1:24:16
  I think pretty much all the finalists, including a couple of
• 1:24:18
  Aussies, they were all still sort of sitting in there and you
• 1:24:21
  sort of knew you're sort of expecting it to play into the
• 1:24:25
  hands of the 1500 meter runners. But I did listen to the Real
• 1:24:33
  Science of Sport podcasts and they're sort of one of them is a
• 1:24:37
  journalist and a sports scientist and sports scientist,
• 1:24:40
  very much data and numbers driven.
• 1:24:43
  And was sort of mentioning that Chibet in the past has been very
• 1:24:46
  successful in her 5K races around a real quick closing
• 1:24:49
  kick. So she's got great wheels on
• 1:24:52
  her. And that maybe, and this is what
• 1:24:53
  we're speaking about before in terms of Kip Yagon, maybe if she
• 1:24:57
  either her or Sega probably need to do some sort of sustained
• 1:25:00
  drive because Sega, I think raced Chibet in that 1500, that
• 1:25:04
  Chibet did the only one she did in one of the diamond leagues
• 1:25:07
  early in the season and beat her.
• 1:25:08
  And so the thought was if it's just some sort of fatigue
• 1:25:12
  resistance type burnout over 3-4 laps, that maybe that's their
• 1:25:16
  best chance of sort of beating Tibet.
• 1:25:19
  But no one did that. And it just got left to the last
• 1:25:22
  K. And it was literally like a
• 1:25:23
  carbon copy of the 10K. So I'm pretty sure the last K in
• 1:25:26
  the 10K was 238 and the last K in this 5K was 238 as well.
• 1:25:31
  And it nearly went 1-2 with Baracleda and Chabet, but in
• 1:25:35
  between them was Faith, Kippy, Aegon.
• 1:25:37
  So it went Chabet, Kippy, Aegon and Batacleda the Italian for
• 1:25:42
  third. Yeah.
• 1:25:43
  I don't know. I thought it was it was an
• 1:25:44
  exciting race. It sort of just didn't.
• 1:25:48
  It was. Yeah, it it it was an
• 1:25:50
  interesting race. I mean, Chabet was just too good
• 1:25:52
  in the end. It's a little bit surprising in
• 1:25:57
  the sense of like KP, Aegon just getting out kicked comfortably
• 1:26:00
  out kicked, but at the same time maybe not completely
• 1:26:03
  unsurprising when you had the context of how some of these
• 1:26:05
  races have played out in the past.
• 1:26:06
  I actually what I put it on when I got in last night and one of
• 1:26:09
  the strange observations I made was that as they all kind of
• 1:26:14
  finish, most of the athletes are literally keeled over on the
• 1:26:18
  floor like gasping for air as you do when you finish a track
• 1:26:22
  race. And Kippy, Aegon and Chabet are
• 1:26:25
  just they're like embracing each other, hugging and like running
• 1:26:28
  around. And all the others are just like
• 1:26:31
  completely wiped out and don't know does make you wonder.
• 1:26:35
  What you're trying to say, run. No, it's just an observation
• 1:26:38
  because even. Extremely fat.
• 1:26:41
  Bathacletti, there's kind of some stuff surrounding her a
• 1:26:44
  little bit, or I guess if you look deep enough there'll be
• 1:26:48
  things for everyone. But like even she is on the
• 1:26:52
  floor like gasping for air and Shabbat and Kippier gonna just
• 1:26:56
  like whoa first and second it. Would make you wonder.
• 1:27:01
  But I do think like it's a dangerous precedent just seeing
• 1:27:05
  people win and like kind of thinking that way because it
• 1:27:08
  kind of takes the fun out of the sport.
• 1:27:10
  And like, that would just be a sorry state of affairs.
• 1:27:14
  Obviously you have to acknowledge reality, but also
• 1:27:17
  you can't just default to thinking that way I think.
• 1:27:20
  Yeah, I think in, well, I'd say the women's 1500.
• 1:27:24
  Did you say the winner? Sorry, the 2nd place runner.
• 1:27:27
  So who was the head of Jess Hull?
• 1:27:31
  Is it Hawaii like so I don't think she'd run under 4 minutes
• 1:27:38
  before perhaps or maybe a just run 4 flat, right going into the
• 1:27:42
  1500 meter final. And she's sort of like a lower
• 1:27:44
  named lesser known Kenyan athlete.
• 1:27:47
  And so you sort of immediately are like, oh, that's sounds
• 1:27:50
  suspicious that she's sort of beating someone who's like run
• 1:27:53
  354. But then when you sort of get
• 1:27:58
  her background, she's sort of going to the US college system
• 1:28:02
  is a got a contract with the Puma group like trains.
• 1:28:06
  I think at an L like at altitude over there is sort of like one
• 1:28:10
  of the emerging talents in the NCAA system.
• 1:28:13
  It's sort of run a series of times that sort of start to
• 1:28:16
  marry up with, you know, it's run like 158 low, like be a a
• 1:28:20
  thing MO earlier, like last year or something like sort of does
• 1:28:25
  make a lot more sense. Whereas if you don't have any of
• 1:28:27
  that context as to where the performance has come from, you
• 1:28:30
  go, well, you just improved too many seconds all that quickly.
• 1:28:33
  You I think you're doing something dodgy.
• 1:28:36
  So it's hard when you don't have their full context and you get
• 1:28:40
  to follow them as to understand what they're able to do that
• 1:28:43
  makes them so remarkable. I was so happy that the person
• 1:28:46
  and for it came for it and then you get a medal.
• 1:28:50
  I've thought it would have been a very sad day for Latics.
• 1:28:53
  If that person has been, yeah, convicted drug trade.
• 1:28:56
  So that makes sense. I think that I was watching the
• 1:29:00
  the BBC commentary of it. So you guys, well I don't know
• 1:29:03
  what your coverage was Owen, but Dean, you probably wouldn't have
• 1:29:06
  seen it. And I think it's Steve Cram and
• 1:29:08
  Paula Radcliffe and they did semi explain that whilst the
• 1:29:12
  race was unfolding. But obviously they're on
• 1:29:14
  national broadcast television so it's got to be done in a certain
• 1:29:17
  way. But they managed to somehow
• 1:29:21
  paint the picture. Yeah, he said, oh, she said she
• 1:29:25
  ate a breed or something like that.
• 1:29:27
  Steve Crown did. They don't.
• 1:29:29
  They done it very well. That was yeah, Tamsin Manu, the
• 1:29:34
  sort of 800 meter Aussie 800m runner that was doing the Aussie
• 1:29:38
  broadcast, said similar things. Basically.
• 1:29:41
  Yeah, she like she, she, she said that she ate a bad burrito,
• 1:29:47
  but the, you know, the courts or water found didn't find in
• 1:29:52
  favour of that. So.
• 1:29:54
  Which I think is all the truth. So and then the the Aussie girls
• 1:29:59
  finished in 10th and 11th that day with Rose being the higher
• 1:30:03
  of the two, London being 11th and Hannah not all of GB was 8,
• 1:30:08
  which I think is a pretty good result.
• 1:30:10
  Like Shirley buzzing with that. And I think I've had somewhere
• 1:30:13
  that in terms of like the prize money or like the funding that's
• 1:30:17
  attached to it is paid down to 8.
• 1:30:20
  So that'll help. Yeah, prize money to 8.
• 1:30:24
  The men's 800 meters was also on last night.
• 1:30:27
  I don't know if which one of you guys want to talk about this.
• 1:30:31
  Yeah, I kind of thought so. In the heat, PE ball got knocked
• 1:30:36
  out along with every single Australian athlete paying Craig
• 1:30:39
  new boys and then tearing in Kraken from the UK, which I
• 1:30:45
  heard that he was working in a supermarket like just recently.
• 1:30:50
  He was only like part time and now he's got to go to the world.
• 1:30:54
  So hopefully he'll get some funding now that he represented
• 1:30:58
  GB in the world. And then that young American
• 1:31:00
  kid, Luke and House, he crashed out as well in the heats.
• 1:31:07
  And this Emmys. The big names that got kicked
• 1:31:11
  out where Duncan Brazier who won the 2019 roles, Bryce Hoppel,
• 1:31:16
  which was another big American name, Ben Patterson, who came
• 1:31:20
  third in the Paris Olympics. And then Ireland's Mark English,
• 1:31:24
  who had the national record. Actually, he ran his sixth
• 1:31:29
  fastest times this year. So he was on good form.
• 1:31:35
  And yeah, he crashed out as well, so.
• 1:31:39
  That's probably like a decent result though, isn't it?
• 1:31:42
  Getting that, getting out the heats and into the semi is.
• 1:31:44
  It's just that like the other guys kind of overshadowed him a
• 1:31:47
  little bit now. No, he would have wanted a final
• 1:31:49
  Yeah, he yeah, he would have been disappointed, I'd say.
• 1:31:53
  Is that? Mark English from Ireland.
• 1:31:56
  The Aussie comment had has said that's quite a Irish name.
• 1:32:00
  Lol but the like all the big names.
• 1:32:04
  Well, a lot of the big names were in the final, like when
• 1:32:08
  Yanni is 1 is ranked up world #1A rock was ranked world #2 and
• 1:32:14
  you've got that Sajadi Algerian wizard and Max Bergen.
• 1:32:20
  And then, yeah, your man Mohammed Atui, he's an on
• 1:32:24
  athlete. He was running super well.
• 1:32:27
  But yeah, so the what pissed me off most about this race was the
• 1:32:34
  lane draw. Now I'm not just saying it
• 1:32:36
  because I'm from Ireland, but the Irish guy, King Mcphillips,
• 1:32:40
  he was ranked 55th coming into this and he won his heat, he won
• 1:32:45
  a semi final and then he was shafted with lane 2.
• 1:32:50
  Like you just have to push so much harder to get to the front
• 1:32:56
  if you're in lane 2. So your position is just shit
• 1:33:01
  from the start. But anyway, in the end,
• 1:33:05
  Emmanuel, when you only won in 141.86, which it was a
• 1:33:11
  championship record, your man Sajadi was second in 141.9 and
• 1:33:18
  Marco Arop was 141.95. And then Kim Mcphillips from
• 1:33:23
  Ireland was a 142.15 and he set a national record in the semi
• 1:33:29
  final and then better again in the final.
• 1:33:31
  So yeah, Kim Phillips, he's, he's been on the scene in
• 1:33:39
  Ireland for a while. Like I think 2-3 years ago he
• 1:33:42
  was like the fastest under 18 in the whole world.
• 1:33:46
  So he has good pedigree. But then he had a rough two
• 1:33:48
  years and umm, yeah, it's after clicking for him massively, umm
• 1:33:56
  knocked a full second off his PB in the final and with another 10
• 1:34:00
  meters he probably could have won it.
• 1:34:02
  He was coming like a train down the home straight and so like if
• 1:34:06
  he actually had a decent main draw, Ireland would have a gold
• 1:34:09
  medal. But what can you do?
• 1:34:13
  Was was this the race where because I remember watching 1
• 1:34:16
  and thinking like I was in like almost the 2nd lane, they didn't
• 1:34:20
  need to be like he was came wide, but then he wasn't really
• 1:34:25
  passing anyone at the time. He was just kind of running
• 1:34:27
  there rather than like being slotted in at the back.
• 1:34:30
  But it might have been a different race.
• 1:34:32
  Is this coming around with 1:50 to go?
• 1:34:35
  Yeah, I think so. Because yeah, he had to take it
• 1:34:37
  wide to get sort of a better position for look, he actually
• 1:34:44
  sounded a little bit disappointed in the interview
• 1:34:45
  because, like, coming forward is pretty shit, let's be real.
• 1:34:49
  But a medal could have been there.
• 1:34:51
  But look, he's still so young and yeah, hopefully he'll get
• 1:34:57
  into a lot more better quality races now.
• 1:35:01
  There was a point with maybe like 50 to go where a two week
• 1:35:04
  was like accelerating like crazy, wasn't he?
• 1:35:06
  But I think he kind of like just got boxed in a little bit and
• 1:35:09
  because he was on the rail and there must have been someone in
• 1:35:12
  front of him, but he was shit. He was moving.
• 1:35:15
  He's got some wheels. Hey, he always looks really good
• 1:35:17
  in that last 100. Yeah, and Max Bergen down in
• 1:35:23
  six, like he's ran a PB and he was one of the, I'm not going to
• 1:35:28
  say favorite because one year and he was the big favorite
• 1:35:30
  going into it, but he was kind of like a medal chance.
• 1:35:33
  And he's end up finishing 6th, but he's run a PB in the final.
• 1:35:38
  So it's like it'll be disappointed with where he's
• 1:35:40
  finished, but it's just hard. Like everyone in that race ran
• 1:35:45
  142. Yeah, the fastest, fastest 8th
• 1:35:50
  place apparently ever. Like in 800, like I remember
• 1:35:55
  the, you know, the 2012 Olympics when Redditch Redditch ran the
• 1:35:59
  world record, ran under 141. I just had a look at the
• 1:36:03
  results. I think so Massa Ayla, Massa
• 1:36:11
  Ayla, who finished 8th or last in this race would have been
• 1:36:15
  good for fourth in that race. And that race was insanely fast.
• 1:36:18
  Like Nick Simmons was fifth in like 142 high like these got
• 1:36:22
  that these this whole field is ahead of Nick Simmons in that
• 1:36:25
  race. And he he was running like that
• 1:36:28
  was, you know, of its time seen as such a fast 800 meters.
• 1:36:33
  So this race is just ridiculous. And it was interesting.
• 1:36:38
  Did you hear like apparently Wan Yong Yi was inspired by ridicia,
• 1:36:42
  ridicia and sort of that's why he ran the way he did.
• 1:36:45
  And I thought he ran it the right way.
• 1:36:47
  Like did you see in the semi finals how good?
• 1:36:52
  Because Sajati and Atui both just look so good in their
• 1:36:56
  closing speed And even the Irish lad and even Bergen, they all
• 1:37:00
  look really nice in that last 100 metres.
• 1:37:03
  And so I felt like the three guys, because the top three that
• 1:37:06
  finished in the top three at the Olympics with the top three in
• 1:37:09
  this race, but I felt like it needed to be that fast or they
• 1:37:12
  would have been in trouble because these other guys would
• 1:37:14
  have just run over the top of them.
• 1:37:16
  And so, yeah, pretty ballsy by when you're new to run like that
• 1:37:20
  because it risked a raw pool society sort of running over the
• 1:37:23
  top of him. But yeah, he pulled it off.
• 1:37:26
  Like the first lap was in 149 low or something like that,
• 1:37:30
  which is it's just crazy for us to then have to run another lap.
• 1:37:35
  Yeah, and they just what's interesting and apparently the
• 1:37:38
  400 meters is like this as well because like again, this is the
• 1:37:42
  real science of sport podcasts that breakdown because the World
• 1:37:44
  Athletics are really good. They give you 100 by 100 splits,
• 1:37:48
  but like you know, they're running considerably like they
• 1:37:51
  run considerably slower in the second-half than they do the
• 1:37:53
  first half in the 400 and they do the 8 as well.
• 1:37:57
  And so it's all about like that fatigue resistance, like running
• 1:38:00
  under. So like, what a brutal race.
• 1:38:03
  Hey, you're just absolutely suffering and you're just trying
• 1:38:06
  to hold form. But some some of these guys just
• 1:38:08
  absolutely leap out of the ground late.
• 1:38:10
  But they basically just couldn't use those kicks because these
• 1:38:13
  guys should just run the kicks from out of them by running 49
• 1:38:16
  seconds in the first lap. Yeah.
• 1:38:17
  So that's interesting because essentially this, the men's 800
• 1:38:20
  and the women's 800 are the two that kind of book the trend of
• 1:38:24
  like being slow and tactical and a ban up at the end.
• 1:38:28
  Because like you say, maybe if one yon you takes it through
• 1:38:31
  just half a second slower or something, he might have not run
• 1:38:36
  enough out of the other guy's legs and they might get him.
• 1:38:39
  But. Yeah, and if he runs half a
• 1:38:41
  second too quick, he does what Josh how he did at the US trials
• 1:38:44
  and gets run over the top of because he can't fight it out.
• 1:38:48
  So it was like, yeah, it's pretty impressive.
• 1:38:51
  I thought deserved. And like fair to Keene, like
• 1:38:56
  he's had a one way training camp here in Ireland, so he was
• 1:38:59
  probably better like adjusted to the climate.
• 1:39:03
  But yeah, still 4th in the world.
• 1:39:06
  It's pretty good. Where does he train?
• 1:39:08
  Any idea? He, I know his group, he runs at
• 1:39:12
  this group, Joe Ryan. And I want to say it's he's
• 1:39:19
  like, I don't think he's like fully funded either.
• 1:39:22
  Like he's not carried out here in Ireland.
• 1:39:23
  So he's like in in between college and running.
• 1:39:28
  So I'm not too sure. But well, now he'll 100% be
• 1:39:33
  funded and he will like I think he's sponsor.
• 1:39:36
  I did that anyway. So he's there, thereabouts.
• 1:39:39
  And who's his agent? Haven't a clue.
• 1:39:42
  It's not that Italian guy. Don't worry, someone that's come
• 1:39:45
  out of nowhere, you could say want to watch?
• 1:39:49
  Yeah, that takes us on to the women's 800 them, which was just
• 1:39:53
  earlier tonight in the heats. Gemma Ricci of GB went out.
• 1:39:58
  Jess Hall had that fall, but she got advanced anyway and
• 1:40:03
  deservedly so, I guess as well because like, it wasn't her
• 1:40:05
  fault in the semis that meant that Claudia Hollingsworth of
• 1:40:09
  Australia, the Goomba, who's a former medallist, Nakai I think
• 1:40:13
  is a medallist too. Abby Caldwell went out.
• 1:40:18
  And Jess Hall bizarrely ran an Australian national record in
• 1:40:22
  the semi 157.15. I think she only advanced as a
• 1:40:27
  fastest like loser or whatever the spots called as well.
• 1:40:31
  Didn't she? Like that was mad to run the
• 1:40:34
  national record and to get through that way, you know, like
• 1:40:38
  how good Claudia and Abby are, or at least like domestically in
• 1:40:43
  Australia, how good they seem to be.
• 1:40:46
  And then for Jess to just step down to like a discipline that
• 1:40:49
  isn't even one of their like natural ones.
• 1:40:52
  If you like and run the national record.
• 1:40:55
  I don't think it kind of says the Abbey or Claudia aren't good
• 1:41:00
  athletes. It just says how bloody good
• 1:41:02
  that Jess is. Like the range on it.
• 1:41:03
  It's it's insane. She's another person that's
• 1:41:07
  coached by her father, is she? Yeah.
• 1:41:11
  Because you don't hear much about her at all, really.
• 1:41:13
  Does she spend a lot of time in the USI?
• 1:41:15
  Think because she went to Oregon and then I think she went to
• 1:41:19
  join like one of those Oregon funded the Nike funded Oregon.
• 1:41:25
  Like what was the Oregon project in that?
• 1:41:28
  What did it turn into the Bauman project?
• 1:41:30
  But then it all sort of when they were getting disbanded, she
• 1:41:33
  sort of is no sooner was she looking to join at all sort of
• 1:41:39
  went a bit skew if with those clubs.
• 1:41:42
  And so she left and then I think came back home.
• 1:41:44
  But I thought that she she trains here, but then spends a
• 1:41:48
  lot of time, you know, with the circuit, like she did the Grand
• 1:41:52
  Slam track mates. And then I I thought she's
• 1:41:55
  fairly well funded. Like I remember hearing some
• 1:41:57
  stories of some of some of the local guys that she trains with
• 1:42:01
  coming with her to Europe to sort of help train as training
• 1:42:06
  partners. So I think she's her and her dad
• 1:42:09
  are quite deliberate in their approach.
• 1:42:12
  And I remember I think she's spoken on podcasts before
• 1:42:15
  talking about like at this time of the season, she won't have a
• 1:42:19
  long run, but she'll go on like a 10 or 12 day cycle and it will
• 1:42:23
  be like a workout every second day.
• 1:42:25
  So when you're getting really sharp and so a lot of speed and
• 1:42:28
  focus, I think basically it's I need to be able to run at this
• 1:42:32
  pace to be competitive. So I need to spend time running
• 1:42:35
  at quite a velocity. So she's spent a lot of time
• 1:42:38
  focusing on speed and speed endurance.
• 1:42:41
  And so I think that's worked very well.
• 1:42:43
  And then maybe because of the Grand Slam track, because she
• 1:42:46
  was one of the signed on athletes there and did the 800
• 1:42:50
  and 1500, it probably maybe meant that while I'm doing all
• 1:42:55
  this 800 meter work to get competitive at Grand Slam track
• 1:42:58
  for financial reasons, why not try and carry that into the
• 1:43:03
  world champs? And I think she mentioned after
• 1:43:04
  the 1500, the 1500, sort of her job, and then the eight hundreds
• 1:43:08
  just for a bit of fun. Remember when you used your
• 1:43:10
  daughter as an excuse to get a photo with her at nationals?
• 1:43:14
  Certainly do. That's good.
• 1:43:15
  Pretty much so Aurora's discussed.
• 1:43:20
  Although it worked out for Aurora, she she got the
• 1:43:25
  chocolates at the school carnival last week, so it was
• 1:43:28
  all meant. It was all all meant to be.
• 1:43:31
  You were playing for the chess to get motivated.
• 1:43:34
  That's it. I've only just thought about
• 1:43:36
  this now, but I wonder if kind of part of Jess's contract is
• 1:43:40
  like national record bonuses and stuff.
• 1:43:42
  And maybe she hasn't thought she might get a medal, but she might
• 1:43:45
  have looked at the time of, I think it was Abby Caldwell, was
• 1:43:48
  the whole, no, Claudia recently took it back, didn't she?
• 1:43:52
  And maybe she's thought, well, in the right race there with the
• 1:43:55
  fast field, I could run that. I might not get a medal.
• 1:43:58
  I might get a medal. But yeah, it's only when when
• 1:44:01
  you do these things and you start to think about it in
• 1:44:04
  different ways. But yeah, how the race panned
• 1:44:06
  out. Then in the final was Keely kind
• 1:44:08
  of done what she does in going to the front, but she didn't
• 1:44:11
  assert herself the way that she usually does.
• 1:44:14
  And is it Mary Mura? Mary Mora was able to kind of
• 1:44:19
  get on her shoulder and almost be like the the lead figure.
• 1:44:24
  And they've ended up going through halfway in an obscene,
• 1:44:29
  what was it, 55.6, I think. But Jess, even after 200 meters
• 1:44:39
  hair split, she's 2 seconds slower than the person who's
• 1:44:42
  gone through first. So she started really slowly and
• 1:44:46
  looked to kind of like run it evenly and like she'd done that
• 1:44:49
  in the semi really well, but in this race it was just a little
• 1:44:53
  bit different. Have you, have you seen the 1972
• 1:44:58
  men's 800 Olympics? Dave Waddle, the American dude,
• 1:45:02
  he like he's wearing a hat and he's like dead last by an
• 1:45:09
  absolute streak. And he like at the bell is still
• 1:45:14
  last and he just judges this race to absolute perfection and
• 1:45:18
  and wins gold in 800. And I was the I thought maybe
• 1:45:23
  there was like shades of that, you know, just where you sort of
• 1:45:25
  like, because all these people are getting out jostling, like
• 1:45:28
  spending all of their energy trying to get into the right
• 1:45:31
  position in that first lap. And I thought, oh, maybe this
• 1:45:33
  was going to work, but it was just sort of a bridge too far,
• 1:45:36
  wasn't it, for Jess? Yeah, you can't take anything
• 1:45:38
  away from her because she's come away with the national record.
• 1:45:41
  But maybe she was just like a little bit too conservative
• 1:45:45
  because in the semi she kind of like naturally attached back on
• 1:45:50
  because they kind of came back to her.
• 1:45:52
  But here it was a bit more difficult, wasn't it?
• 1:45:54
  Like they didn't come back to her so easily and maybe she
• 1:45:57
  started to like panic a little. She was just, I mean, she still
• 1:46:01
  ran. Was it 110th outside of the
• 1:46:03
  Australian record? She ran in the semi.
• 1:46:05
  So it wasn't like she ran bad. They were just, I mean, they
• 1:46:08
  were just very fast and very good, weren't they?
• 1:46:12
  So then I think, yeah, Keely maybe let Maura like dictate it
• 1:46:17
  a little bit too much. And this is something we almost,
• 1:46:22
  well, not almost. We did kind of like highlight
• 1:46:24
  that yesterday, didn't we? When we were texting, I kind of
• 1:46:27
  messaged you and said thoughts on Keely not being like 100%
• 1:46:31
  safe for the gold because there's just something about the
• 1:46:34
  heat and the semi, although she won them all.
• 1:46:36
  Like she got done on the line for the semi, but it looked like
• 1:46:39
  she was easing off anyway. But she just didn't look
• 1:46:42
  amazing. She just looked a bit like kind
• 1:46:45
  of stiff almost. I still think that's the only
• 1:46:49
  way Keely loses that race is with the fast first lap.
• 1:46:53
  I think if it's a little bit slower she still wins.
• 1:46:57
  She just burnt the cans from low end and she had nothing left.
• 1:47:00
  You could see she was like you could see that she was panicking
• 1:47:05
  like with kind of 50 to go as Hunter Bell and that Lillian
• 1:47:09
  Odira come in because she's I think she's taken like side
• 1:47:13
  glances to see like what's going on.
• 1:47:16
  And yeah, they've they've just both kind of nipped her.
• 1:47:20
  And this Canyon girl, Lillian Odiras, came from nowhere.
• 1:47:23
  Like at one point you're thinking Hunter Bells going to
• 1:47:26
  win, she's just going to pass Keely and that's going to be it.
• 1:47:28
  And then this, this Canyon girl is just finished like a train as
• 1:47:31
  well. It was only for like Hunter
• 1:47:33
  bells sort of die for the line that situation sort of like
• 1:47:36
  stuck at her shoulder. That's the only reason she that
• 1:47:38
  Keely as well. She don't so well to get up.
• 1:47:41
  Yeah, by 100th of a second that was, wasn't it?
• 1:47:44
  Yeah, yeah, and you're one you're 1 of came fifth stage her
• 1:47:47
  Clacker. That was a massive.
• 1:47:49
  I think that's a two second baby for her or something like that.
• 1:47:51
  It's massive. It just shows you once you get
• 1:47:54
  in the race, you can just hang on for dear life.
• 1:47:58
  Because she was the other one who was the fastest finisher
• 1:48:01
  with Jess Hall, wasn't it? In the semi or Yeah, a little
• 1:48:04
  bit disappointing from that Swiss girl Audrey Wearo, because
• 1:48:06
  she was kind of like touted as being almost the main contender
• 1:48:10
  to Keely's gold, wasn't she? Yeah, she was someone who I had
• 1:48:14
  in my Middle East that still running.
• 1:48:20
  Not good. And you're 1.
• 1:48:22
  Sarah More Sarah Mora Handem. Mary Mora.
• 1:48:26
  They're not sisters, they're cousins.
• 1:48:28
  I did hear that, yeah. To take a few Chariots in the
• 1:48:34
  1500 meter final and the Mora's in the 800.
• 1:48:40
  I will have to claim or remind everyone that I did pick Lily
• 1:48:43
  and Odira from bronze whilst we're here, but she outperformed
• 1:48:48
  my expectations and got the gold.
• 1:48:51
  You did get a point for that, I'll let let it be nice.
• 1:48:54
  Did anyone else have a? No, I, I pretty unique that I
• 1:48:58
  don't think so I'll have to have a look.
• 1:49:00
  Not many if any. So I don't know where you pulled
• 1:49:03
  that from. Yeah, I can't remember exactly
• 1:49:06
  what I said, but I did have some sort of justification for it,
• 1:49:09
  but well, anyway. GBT.
• 1:49:12
  No I've got some, I've got some notes on her here seeing as
• 1:49:15
  she's come away as the world champion.
• 1:49:17
  So she's 26 years old. She wouldn't this bizarre.
• 1:49:20
  She won the Kenyan trials in 2 minutes.
• 1:49:23
  They're seen so like imagine how slow they must have come through
• 1:49:26
  the 1st lap. My PB is quicker than that
• 1:49:28
  actually. You could have won.
• 1:49:32
  Oh, actually, I'll quick one on the Kim Mcphillips.
• 1:49:36
  My brother used to run. He's 23 now and he came second
• 1:49:43
  in Ireland when he was like under 11.
• 1:49:46
  So he'd have been 10. And Kim Mcphillips came eighth
• 1:49:49
  in that race. So for the he's just walking
• 1:49:52
  around now saying, oh, I could have won a word medal, I could
• 1:49:55
  have been world champion. All this if I stayed run a
• 1:49:58
  clown. Is that your brother?
• 1:50:01
  Yeah, the you're just a few years younger than me.
• 1:50:04
  Not the younger, younger brother, no.
• 1:50:07
  OK. So, Nina.
• 1:50:09
  Yes, so she came forth in Paris last year, this Lily Nodira.
• 1:50:14
  So maybe she's gone a little bit under the radar really, because
• 1:50:17
  obviously she's just missed the podium there.
• 1:50:19
  She'd already ran 156 this year and as we'd like, kind of
• 1:50:23
  identified, it was looking like it was going to be the Keely
• 1:50:27
  show and like all the other medals were kind of up for
• 1:50:29
  grabs. So potentially she's just timed
• 1:50:33
  their peaks of perfection and just came through.
• 1:50:36
  She's ranked now ranked 7th all time with that run, but
• 1:50:41
  unfortunately for her, she's not the Kenyan record holder.
• 1:50:43
  There's Pam Pamela Gilimo, who's rank quicker than her still.
• 1:50:49
  And I'm still not having the world record for the 100 for the
• 1:50:52
  Whims 800. No, there's a couple of them
• 1:50:54
  because I was looking before there's two or three times from
• 1:50:57
  like the 80s or the 90s that are just absurd.
• 1:51:00
  So what do we think it was with Keely?
• 1:51:02
  Like she's a little bit underdone maybe with a prep, a
• 1:51:06
  short prep or like she just kind of didn't have the strength to
• 1:51:10
  kind of progress through the rounds because again, of a prep.
• 1:51:14
  Maybe she's been undercooked. I don't know, 154 is not bad
• 1:51:17
  though either like I'm able. It's like race sharpness going
• 1:51:20
  to the rounds. Jakob was blue as in cut in the
• 1:51:25
  cooking's jail. He was like rah, rah, rah.
• 1:51:28
  Like he had nothing. And you could see it from the
• 1:51:30
  off, like he just didn't look smooth.
• 1:51:32
  And even when he went to the front and the 5K, like I just,
• 1:51:36
  you just knew he was going to hold it.
• 1:51:37
  He just, I don't even know why he went to the front, to be
• 1:51:39
  honest, just to get a bit of TV time.
• 1:51:41
  But yeah, I think Kelly, well, my, I think she was a bit
• 1:51:45
  undercooked. But like that's it.
• 1:51:47
  That was a championship record is only 3/10 faster than her.
• 1:51:51
  Like I don't think she it wasn't like she was, I don't know.
• 1:51:55
  I just think there was a couple of other really good athletes.
• 1:51:58
  I wonder, like, what the dynamic was like in training between
• 1:52:01
  Hunter Bell and Keely. Like, did they know it was going
• 1:52:04
  to be so close and it could go one way or the other?
• 1:52:07
  Or were they? Because I feel like they still
• 1:52:09
  would have been expecting Keely to, if not win the race, like
• 1:52:14
  beat Georgia Hunter Bell. I'd love to ask the coach that
• 1:52:16
  question because he'd have a fair idea as to where the 2
• 1:52:19
  girls are AT. And Georgia Hunter belt, Like
• 1:52:22
  she knew she was going to do well because she picked 100 /
• 1:52:25
  1500 so she had an inkling as well.
• 1:52:27
  So if you're interested to ask your man Trevor, is his name
• 1:52:30
  Trevor? Something like that.
• 1:52:32
  Trevor Painter, I think. Yeah, he's funny.
• 1:52:35
  He seems like a big joker. Doesn't even seen him.
• 1:52:38
  Yeah, funny character. Get him on run.
• 1:52:41
  Yeah, working on it. Well, as soon as you say that
• 1:52:44
  we've, we've got a big one coming next week and we
• 1:52:47
  hopefully, well on paper we're locked in.
• 1:52:50
  So we'll see. We're rolling.
• 1:52:53
  There's no lull after the World Championships.
• 1:52:55
  We're going, we're going again next week.
• 1:52:57
  So we're incredibly excited about this one and we'll get the
• 1:53:02
  clubhouse list, the clubhouse members to ask some questions
• 1:53:05
  because I'm sure people will be keen.
• 1:53:08
  I haven't told you this, but when we literally like started
• 1:53:11
  it, as in potentially the day we made the Instagram page or like
• 1:53:16
  recorded the first episode or whatever, I wrote down like
• 1:53:20
  maybe 5 or 6 names as in like people who you would have as
• 1:53:24
  dream guests and literally titled the dream guests and
• 1:53:27
  dated it just as like a bit of a funny reference.
• 1:53:30
  Thinking that maybe in like two or three years we'll look back
• 1:53:33
  on this and be like, oh, how cool.
• 1:53:35
  Like I identified them at the very beginning and this person's
• 1:53:40
  name is on there from, I think I've dated it 28th of Feb, so
• 1:53:45
  literally like 6-7 months ago. And then here he is.
• 1:53:49
  Oh well, here they are locked in.
• 1:53:51
  Don't mess about, that's for sure.
• 1:53:53
  This was not through DMSR. This was 3 emails so very
• 1:53:57
  formal. We've taken it up a notch.
• 1:54:00
  Yeah, it's got to go about it the right way.
• 1:54:02
  It's the key. And I've never heard this guy on
• 1:54:05
  a podcast either, which is pretty cool.
• 1:54:08
  I don't think anyway. I did think that and I searched
• 1:54:12
  their name and they come up twice but not for like years
• 1:54:17
  ago. So they haven't spoken in recent
• 1:54:21
  times, which is cool, but definitely someone we're all
• 1:54:25
  like incredibly familiar with and I've followed their journey
• 1:54:28
  through like over channels. I feel like a lot of people
• 1:54:31
  wouldn't be familiar with them either though with them either
• 1:54:35
  though. He hasn't really made it on to
• 1:54:39
  like the world world stage, but they're still such well known in
• 1:54:43
  the running scene. Yeah, when you said the name, I
• 1:54:45
  couldn't believe it. But we'll keep the listeners
• 1:54:48
  guessing. Yeah, very excited.
• 1:54:51
  So last race to wrap us up was the men's 5000 meters, which
• 1:54:56
  happened also just earlier and it was the decider for the the
• 1:55:00
  medal competition for the pair of ASICS.
• 1:55:04
  So did we all watch this? Yeah, in the semis we lost
• 1:55:10
  Almgren because potentially he was a little bit overdone with
• 1:55:14
  the 10 Ki think he he went to the front again, didn't he, in
• 1:55:18
  his semi and tried to make it honest.
• 1:55:20
  And everyone, as we've said, kind of like managed to stick
• 1:55:24
  with him and ran past him in the end.
• 1:55:26
  And that work that he'd done at the front by himself was just a
• 1:55:29
  little bit too much. We also lost Dominic Lebarlu, we
• 1:55:33
  lost Navi Nordas, Brian Faye, Seth O'Donnell, Darren
• 1:55:38
  Mcelhenney, which I've got here, was close.
• 1:55:41
  He was kind of, there was a group of I want to think we can
• 1:55:45
  hear your breath in a bit. Is it is it you or is it me?
• 1:55:50
  Tanya. Bit of column A, bit of column
• 1:55:52
  B. That's all right.
• 1:55:54
  People might like that. Paying them close into close
• 1:56:01
  attention, that's what. But Michael Haney, he was just
• 1:56:05
  on the back of that lead group and like he was still with them
• 1:56:08
  coming into like the last straight, but he just dropped
• 1:56:11
  off a little bit. It came tenth topic qualify.
• 1:56:15
  So yeah, he would have liked to get to the final, but still,
• 1:56:19
  even making it like he got through on ranking points.
• 1:56:22
  So to get there was a massive achievement.
• 1:56:26
  But yeah, he would have been disappointed.
• 1:56:28
  Yeah, because I had me. I own him as well.
• 1:56:29
  Because the field kind of separated massively once, like a
• 1:56:32
  bit of pace went in, but he managed to go with the front
• 1:56:35
  group still. But he just wasn't like to,
• 1:56:38
  couldn't get himself high enough or could he?
• 1:56:40
  We lost Jack Rayner and we lost Andrew Costkran, too.
• 1:56:43
  If you're, if you're Jack Rayner, like, Can you imagine?
• 1:56:45
  Like he was detached pretty early on.
• 1:56:48
  Like he's literally just jogging around.
• 1:56:50
  They're thinking he used to run a marathon in three weeks.
• 1:56:54
  Like when's Mel? It's Melbourne's pretty soon,
• 1:56:57
  isn't it? Yeah, mid-october.
• 1:57:00
  Like, I just can't imagine. Like yeah, I know what ways had
• 1:57:05
  to be. Yeah, he has not the best year
• 1:57:07
  in terms of prep for this. So it probably would have known
• 1:57:10
  maybe that he wasn't going to be super competitive here.
• 1:57:13
  And it was just like almost ACV job, like, yeah, another
• 1:57:18
  appearance at the world champs. But I obviously wouldn't have
• 1:57:21
  wanted to be so uncompetitive either, especially when like Kai
• 1:57:27
  goes through and he was like in the same heat was Nikai, I
• 1:57:30
  think. So you're drawing it was Kai and
• 1:57:32
  Seth's one, but still like he's set the benchmark as me in terms
• 1:57:37
  of like what the standard is. I don't want to say expectation
• 1:57:40
  because I think I've seen something that he was like the
• 1:57:43
  first Aussie to make the 5000 meter final since Mottram or
• 1:57:47
  something. So you can't say it's the
• 1:57:49
  expectation, but nevertheless, he's done it.
• 1:57:51
  So people are going to be compared to him.
• 1:57:54
  I think seeing Seth as well, saying he was disappointed that
• 1:57:59
  it didn't kind of go to plan for him because I did, you know, on
• 1:58:03
  was it Thursday or Friday? And I message used and was like,
• 1:58:07
  are we going to see Seth like miles off the front, like making
• 1:58:11
  it honest and making a room from home?
• 1:58:13
  So I thought, oh, this might be interesting.
• 1:58:15
  Like I'll message him something along the lines of like, good
• 1:58:17
  luck. Have you got a plan?
• 1:58:19
  And he actually come back and said, I just find it now
• 1:58:25
  because, yeah, I thought the way he runs these mad tactical races
• 1:58:30
  sometimes, and we've seen him at, like, Box Hill running that
• 1:58:32
  30 and low solo. Like, he's not afraid to just do
• 1:58:35
  something like that, is he? And he said, I've got a plan.
• 1:58:38
  I'll put my heart and soul into it.
• 1:58:41
  If you're good enough, you can qualify from anywhere.
• 1:58:43
  So I was like, sick. Let's go.
• 1:58:46
  He he didn't really need to do much because Hawker didn't
• 1:58:49
  really give much anyone much of a chance that he sort of just
• 1:58:53
  sat running 1330 odd tempo and just controlled that, hey,
• 1:58:56
  didn't he? Yeah.
• 1:58:58
  And which? So then as we move on to the
• 1:59:00
  final, he took control again. Initially for the 1st 600 or so.
• 1:59:05
  He went to the front and it was pretty slow.
• 1:59:08
  And then you seen Grant and Nico Young.
• 1:59:11
  Grant Fisher and Nico Young, the Americans, they must have had a
• 1:59:14
  chat before this in terms of taking some sort of control over
• 1:59:18
  it and not allowing it to be completely slow because that
• 1:59:21
  would having it a little bit faster would play into their
• 1:59:24
  hands. So you would think, so they kind
• 1:59:26
  of jumped on the front and started alternating like a lap,
• 1:59:29
  a lap and a half each and put some pace into it.
• 1:59:33
  So there's a 241st K that then strung it out into single file.
• 1:59:40
  And then The Ethiopians were up there as well.
• 1:59:42
  Those two of them, I don't know which ones it was, but at one
• 1:59:45
  point it was like America, Ethiopia, America, Ethiopia, and
• 1:59:49
  everyone was just kind of sucked along into this train because it
• 1:59:52
  did get moving. To be fair.
• 1:59:54
  The second K was 235 and then Gabriel, he wets.
• 2:00:00
  It was who then went to the front some point in the 2K,
• 2:00:03
  which is when George Mills became detached from the back as
• 2:00:06
  well. And initially it was just like a
• 2:00:09
  meter or two, and then he just kind of slowly fell away from
• 2:00:14
  it, which I'm not going to say he was like a metal.
• 2:00:19
  Expectation, but I'm sure in the back of his mind some way would
• 2:00:22
  have been thinking like a bronze medal isn't out of this world in
• 2:00:26
  terms of a possibility. So that'll know that'll be a
• 2:00:28
  disappointing result for him. The third K was 236.
• 2:00:34
  Jacob then goes up to the front around 3 1/2 K.
• 2:00:38
  And as you said, when you're thinking, I don't know why,
• 2:00:42
  because he doesn't exactly look like he's going to be able to
• 2:00:46
  run away from them all, but maybe he just wanted to like at
• 2:00:50
  least have a go. And the fourth K was 240.
• 2:00:55
  And then this, although it's been quick, there's still a lot
• 2:00:58
  of people there. Wasn't there maybe like 6 to 8
• 2:01:00
  people like Gressier, Cameli, Hawker, The Ethiopians, and I
• 2:01:06
  think Fisher and Nico Young was still there thereabouts anyway.
• 2:01:11
  And Cameli made like the first major move, I think maybe like
• 2:01:15
  800 to go. And I was thinking like,
• 2:01:18
  considering this guy is touted as like the the closer or the
• 2:01:22
  finisher that he's gone quite early.
• 2:01:25
  Like I would be expecting someone else to be up there and
• 2:01:27
  him just kind of tucked in waiting to RIP off the bend.
• 2:01:31
  And then as they get to 200 out, there's still 5 or 6 and Hocker
• 2:01:37
  is literally in five 5th or 6th and he hasn't like done
• 2:01:41
  anything. And then all of a sudden he
• 2:01:43
  steps out into lane 2 and it's just, it looks so effortless for
• 2:01:47
  him. Like you can see that he is the
• 2:01:49
  1500 meter racer and he has just a different level of speed
• 2:01:55
  compared to these guys. But then it's so underrated
• 2:01:59
  because he's run 12:45 or something like silly, like
• 2:02:03
  indoors. He he ran that insane time with
• 2:02:07
  Fisher. Remember when Fisher ran like
• 2:02:08
  the American Record and they were like kind of taking turns
• 2:02:12
  on the front and going toe to toe?
• 2:02:15
  Like he's got strength and he's run ridiculously fast, 5 KS.
• 2:02:19
  So if you're going to put it in that 30 minute range, he's going
• 2:02:22
  to be able to close and finish off that.
• 2:02:24
  And I don't even think this one is.
• 2:02:27
  With hindsight, it was obvious. I think like we'd spoke about it
• 2:02:30
  in the lead up, hadn't we? Kind of when we're talking about
• 2:02:34
  how 365 would price them and stuff, we'd identified Hockers.
• 2:02:37
  Like shit, he kind of stands out there, especially as he didn't
• 2:02:42
  have to run the 1500 meter final. 80% of these other guys
• 2:02:47
  who are like considered competitors had run the 10,000
• 2:02:51
  meter final. And we've seen what that had
• 2:02:53
  done to like Omgren in the heats and then all these guys have got
• 2:02:56
  through the heats and having to go again.
• 2:02:59
  So you sort of thought like literally as long as Hocker is
• 2:03:03
  there in the last 400 meters, like it just run away from them.
• 2:03:07
  And it's literally what he did. He's crossed, he's run over
• 2:03:11
  Camelli and he's like celebrating across the line.
• 2:03:15
  Like he wasn't in the bin. This was like, yeah, thanks very
• 2:03:19
  much. Like redemption almost for the
• 2:03:22
  DQ. Yeah, I thought it was a fun
• 2:03:24
  finale in terms of the to the World champs and like another
• 2:03:28
  one of those races where, I don't know, I think they
• 2:03:31
  improved tactically, the distance guys improved on the
• 2:03:35
  10K to try and make it quicker. And I reckon maybe 13 minutes is
• 2:03:40
  pretty much on the cusp for the likes of Grecia and Tucker.
• 2:03:44
  Like those guys haven't run much quicker than that.
• 2:03:47
  But it's probably just not quite quick enough where if they're in
• 2:03:50
  great physical Nick that they can just hang in there and then
• 2:03:54
  they've just got their wheels are just too good.
• 2:04:00
  Should need to mention the Kyle Robinson.
• 2:04:03
  The Aussie guy was in fourth and.
• 2:04:06
  I I literally my jaw dropped when I seen that.
• 2:04:08
  Yeah, and it was funny, right, Because I mean, you could sort
• 2:04:11
  of from 200 metres out, your eyes even from the, the lap out,
• 2:04:15
  I think Hawker's 12th at the bell and you sort of, it's like
• 2:04:18
  inertia ride. Like you sort of, you can sort
• 2:04:21
  of see and you can, you can see what's coming before it, you
• 2:04:25
  know, before the the race is finished, you sort of feel,
• 2:04:27
  you're feeling Hawker running through everyone.
• 2:04:30
  So your eyes are sort of drawn to watching him, I think, and
• 2:04:33
  then you've got another eye bid on Gracie because you know what
• 2:04:36
  he just did the other night. And so your eyes are sort of
• 2:04:39
  very much on them. And then Camellie, we sort of
• 2:04:42
  called out as one of those, you know, Smokey picks to maybe
• 2:04:47
  'cause an upset. So you sort of very much focused
• 2:04:49
  on that. And then little did I know that
• 2:04:51
  like Robinson, who you saw was prominent at the bell.
• 2:04:54
  I would just didn't didn't think he was he was going to finish
• 2:04:57
  that strong and in that sort of field, like he's sort of like
• 2:05:01
  ahead of like Nico Young Fisher, like all those other guys.
• 2:05:04
  They're still there with the belt to go and he's finishing
• 2:05:07
  over the top of all of them like insane.
• 2:05:10
  Although Robinson did say after his heat that felt easier than
• 2:05:14
  what he thought and that he's in great shape and he was a
• 2:05:17
  medallist at World Indoors in 3K earlier in the year.
• 2:05:20
  So it's not like he's like he's been in some pretty exceptional
• 2:05:23
  form, which is why when I still remember fairly vividly, which
• 2:05:28
  is why when we're at nationals in April when Seth O'Donnell
• 2:05:32
  beat Kyle Robinson in a Sprint finish, we were like, well,
• 2:05:37
  like, quite shocked. Like, that was like a ridiculous
• 2:05:41
  upset where like some locals just done that to someone who's
• 2:05:45
  clearly competitive at a world stage.
• 2:05:46
  So which hopefully gives someone like Seth O'Donnell a bit of
• 2:05:51
  confidence that maybe he's not as far off as what he might be
• 2:05:54
  feeling at the minute. Just a quick one, like I've
• 2:05:58
  slayed off Yakup here for saying he's unfair.
• 2:06:00
  Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blown.
• 2:06:05
  Isn't that crazy? Yeah, completely 1902 for.
• 2:06:07
  Just a lazy 1302. That's not, yeah, considering
• 2:06:12
  how tough the the standards are that we've talked about in the
• 2:06:16
  lead up to this, I think do a 1301 and then the top 8 have
• 2:06:20
  gone and ran under that tough standard in these like miserable
• 2:06:24
  conditions. It's kudos to Gas, to Fisher and
• 2:06:28
  Nico Young for making sure it was that fast.
• 2:06:32
  And like Robinson, when he ran that standard was like, you
• 2:06:36
  know, in that boss, bouncy Boston indoor track, perfectly
• 2:06:39
  paced. He'd like the environment.
• 2:06:42
  It's like ideal and they're just sneaking under that.
• 2:06:47
  So this this sort of fitness they must have been in going
• 2:06:49
  into these champs is ridiculous. Yes, he's run sub 30 and again,
• 2:06:53
  as nice. He must be 1258 as PB or
• 2:06:56
  something because isn't Mottram's record maybe like only
• 2:06:59
  56 or 57? And then you've got Mick Swayne
• 2:07:03
  in the middle, maybe somewhere to shitty.
• 2:07:06
  He's in shape to run that, isn't he?
• 2:07:10
  Is that playing fourth all time? Is it?
• 2:07:12
  So you've got Matram Mix, Wayne Rainer and then him.
• 2:07:16
  Well, I think he's already there because he doesn't have PB next
• 2:07:19
  to his name in this race. Yeah, sorry, but yeah, he must
• 2:07:24
  be 4th Rainer as well. Yeah, like you say and I think
• 2:07:27
  that pretty much concludes us for the results wrap up of the
• 2:07:31
  world champs. So just kind of like some
• 2:07:34
  reflective questions that did they live up to expectations
• 2:07:38
  because we've been talking about them for months on end in terms
• 2:07:41
  of the builder? I thought like 99, actually, no,
• 2:07:45
  all the races were belters. Like they're all so close.
• 2:07:48
  There was massive upsets. I think that the warm weather
• 2:07:53
  just made a toss up. Yeah, I'd like every single race
• 2:08:01
  was so good. Like he had big names even like
• 2:08:03
  the 110 meter hurdles that your man Grant Holloway, who's won
• 2:08:07
  like every single gold medal there is.
• 2:08:09
  He didn't make it out of the heats.
• 2:08:11
  Like there were so many upsets and yeah, so many tight races.
• 2:08:16
  So yeah, I thought it was unbelievable.
• 2:08:19
  The warm weather's almost like when it rains at the F1.
• 2:08:23
  It's the great equalizer. Genuinely it is.
• 2:08:25
  It just makes that level playing field for everyone.
• 2:08:28
  Yeah, I thought it was really good.
• 2:08:29
  Like I just think what World Athletics are doing in terms of
• 2:08:33
  the direction. So true, trying to clean up the
• 2:08:35
  sport, which is really good to try and ensure that the racing
• 2:08:39
  is becoming more even. You sort of seen that in the
• 2:08:42
  fields that the ranking system, you know, like it's like a bit
• 2:08:46
  more like tennis where you're sort of going in knowing who's
• 2:08:49
  ranked what. So it's easier to follow and
• 2:08:51
  you've sort of started to get stories with people.
• 2:08:54
  The only thing I don't like about it is like World Athletics
• 2:08:56
  are creating such a good product, but yet countries still
• 2:08:59
  have such influence over whether or not athletes get to go, yet
• 2:09:03
  they qualify themselves. Their country doesn't qualify
• 2:09:05
  them. So like, that's my only knock
• 2:09:07
  on. Like they're not the fields not
• 2:09:10
  being completely represented. Like all of the athletes that
• 2:09:13
  rightly qualify don't necessarily get to compete.
• 2:09:15
  I think be interested to hear what World Athletics get to say
• 2:09:19
  about that to try and encourage better competition or more even
• 2:09:23
  fair competition for everyone. I like the idea of like these
• 2:09:27
  what, you know, the extra wild card with the Diamond League and
• 2:09:30
  all the returning champions so that you maybe get 4-4 athletes
• 2:09:34
  from some countries that have sort of earned that.
• 2:09:36
  I think that's like a good idea. So yeah, I don't know.
• 2:09:39
  I was very in well invested I thought.
• 2:09:42
  I thought the way they did the mates, like even though they
• 2:09:44
  they didn't end with the marathons but they finished, you
• 2:09:47
  know, with them because they only had morning sessions for
• 2:09:49
  the first few days. And so because they needed to
• 2:09:51
  get through all those heats early to then set up the finals.
• 2:09:54
  I thought the way they stacked timetable was good and doing the
• 2:09:58
  marathons early I thought was good as well.
• 2:10:01
  Yeah, I thought it was good. I felt a bit tired by the end of
• 2:10:05
  it, like it was so many nights of back-to-back to back
• 2:10:07
  athletics. But I don't think you can
• 2:10:10
  condense the mate because then you don't give some athletes the
• 2:10:12
  opportunity to compete across multiple events.
• 2:10:16
  But yeah, I enjoyed it. I'd say the the other member of
• 2:10:21
  my household would be quite glad that they're over though, so
• 2:10:24
  that the TV can be somewhat shared over the the upcoming
• 2:10:28
  days and weeks. Of me Bear.
• 2:10:32
  Well, yeah, Cat TV does end up going on forum.
• 2:10:38
  So Beijing 2027 is the next edition of the World Champs,
• 2:10:43
  which is what, 7 or 8 hours from Perth hopefully.
• 2:10:48
  If I'm still in Perth, maybe I would look to venture over there
• 2:10:52
  if that's an option. That would be pretty cool.
• 2:10:54
  We're definitely going to be skipping training weeks given
• 2:10:57
  the the length of this podcast already and we can kind of catch
• 2:11:00
  up on that next week. Did anyone have anything like
• 2:11:04
  pressing that they just wanted to say about training weeks or
• 2:11:07
  anything? Yeah, my treadmill broke.
• 2:11:10
  Oh shit. Listen to this.
• 2:11:13
  My treadmill broke. I woke up on Monday morning with
• 2:11:16
  a sore knee that came out of nowhere and I've got a cold.
• 2:11:20
  So yeah, still knocked out 130 kilometers though.
• 2:11:24
  So I'll tell you next week I'm going.
• 2:11:29
  I could be in the bin. Is is the treadmill like come
• 2:11:33
  with any insurance or anything? Yeah, I got a six month warranty
• 2:11:37
  on it. It was just annoying.
• 2:11:38
  Like it took like a week to get here.
• 2:11:41
  Literally ran on it like twice the three times and then a
• 2:11:44
  bearings gone and they get the motors just making really weird
• 2:11:48
  sound. So I'm not just not running on
• 2:11:50
  it. It's just annoying.
• 2:11:52
  I was so happy that it like. Did you have it like, I'm really
• 2:11:56
  fast, Those are just gone. Like not for that reason.
• 2:11:59
  No, I was just chilling out like like I don't do.
• 2:12:02
  I think it's even better because it can really controlled my like
• 2:12:05
  the easy double S So like I'd do it like 12.6 kilometers an hour,
• 2:12:10
  which is like I'd say it's like four 40s or four 50s.
• 2:12:15
  And yeah, maybe I need to lose some weight.
• 2:12:17
  Maybe I'm just too fat for it. I don't know.
• 2:12:20
  Super annoying. Got the whole garage done up.
• 2:12:24
  Not even the put in it. You best be hoping that the
• 2:12:27
  weather doesn't turn then. It's turning, I think the hour
• 2:12:33
  daylight savings kicks in in like 3 weeks or something like
• 2:12:36
  that. And that's when it's just dark
• 2:12:38
  morning and evening. Like at the moment, the
• 2:12:41
  evenings, you still get something in the evenings
• 2:12:43
  because it's relatively bright. But yeah, the mornings are
• 2:12:46
  getting darker and darker and colder.
• 2:12:48
  That's got that replacement on the way.
• 2:12:51
  Yeah. And there's a couple of quick
• 2:12:53
  things I just wants to fire off and running news.
• 2:12:55
  Then a scene. Did you see Alex Yee announced
• 2:12:58
  he's going to race Valencia? So I think the the triathletes
• 2:13:01
  caught the marathon bug on the back of London.
• 2:13:03
  There'd be interesting to see how fast he can go.
• 2:13:05
  Sub 210. Yeah, I think that'll be the
• 2:13:08
  goal in it. Guys, Valencia is going to be so
• 2:13:12
  stacked. I'm sure.
• 2:13:15
  Is it? Cagelcha said.
• 2:13:16
  He was. Did he say Valencia Half or
• 2:13:19
  Valencia Marathon? But in his like post champs
• 2:13:23
  interview he he said he's going to the roads now.
• 2:13:26
  Yeah, he'll dominate. Ginny, Mark, another one.
• 2:13:29
  I feel for him a bit. And Centro.
• 2:13:32
  Oh, just in terms of I don't know if he's ever won a, has he
• 2:13:35
  won a global title? I feel like he's always there or
• 2:13:39
  there about such a gutsy runner. So I felt a bit habit for him
• 2:13:44
  getting silver. Yeah, it's almost like literally
• 2:13:46
  a silver line and like he can walk away and be like, yeah, OK,
• 2:13:48
  I've got another medal. But it wasn't that gold medal.
• 2:13:52
  Centro is running Chicago again. So he ran it last year, paced
• 2:13:56
  one of the the American women and ran 224, which is quite mad
• 2:14:01
  for just like a 1500 meter guy to just step up to the marathon
• 2:14:04
  for fun. And I heard him say he's now
• 2:14:08
  he's got three goals with it to run a new PB, then second goal
• 2:14:13
  to run sub 220 and like entirely optimistic goal of going sub
• 2:14:18
  218. So he must be taking it like
• 2:14:21
  semi seriously. I think sub 216 is the Olympic
• 2:14:28
  trials qualifier. I should just shoot for that.
• 2:14:30
  Imagine that like the meme out of Wolf of Wall Street, I'm not
• 2:14:33
  fucking leaving and I want to love this one.
• 2:14:38
  Did you see Fred Kelly's announced he's competing at the
• 2:14:41
  Enhanced Games? I'd say Bolt is quaking in his
• 2:14:45
  boots because if Fred Curl he gets to stop and still can't
• 2:14:50
  beat that record. You know what's coming.
• 2:14:53
  Yeah, I sort of in a way I respect it.
• 2:14:56
  Like he's got caught, so now he's just going all in and but
• 2:15:01
  there's no distance events in the in these enhanced games.
• 2:15:06
  Like they're actually full on happening in 2026.
• 2:15:08
  I think the bullshit like aren't they besides this?
• 2:15:11
  I know it's we're literally talking about it now, but I
• 2:15:14
  don't think we should give it any coverage otherwise.
• 2:15:18
  Do you think he breaks Bulls record?
• 2:15:20
  Nah, but like, what in his It was his whereabouts he got
• 2:15:28
  caught on the other week, wasn't it?
• 2:15:29
  It wasn't he like trying to deny that as well?
• 2:15:31
  And then he's turned around and going, OK, I'm just getting on
• 2:15:34
  the juice openly. Guys, if like that's like not
• 2:15:37
  showing up for work, you have to tell like 3.
• 2:15:40
  That's three times in a row. He doesn't say where he is or
• 2:15:43
  they show up and he's not where he says he is.
• 2:15:46
  Like it's bullshit. Like it's your job, show up.
• 2:15:49
  I heard another American sprinter given that excuse as
• 2:15:52
  well, where she had to run out somewhere.
• 2:15:54
  I don't care. Like you have to be there, it's
• 2:15:58
  your job. Like eh, good hard Rio
• 2:16:00
  Ferdinand. Wasn't he up to that back in the
• 2:16:02
  day? Dodging them.
• 2:16:04
  Was he? I'm sure there's some sort of
• 2:16:06
  story like that. Yeah.
• 2:16:08
  But yeah, Fred Kelly, what a plan.
• 2:16:11
  Pass. I don't know if in all the
• 2:16:14
  positivity of the Games you managed to think about any
• 2:16:17
  double troubles, but I did notice one that rattled me.
• 2:16:21
  So I was flicking between the BBC, like the British coverage
• 2:16:25
  and the Australian coverage. And for whichever night it was
• 2:16:30
  that Gout ran his 200m heath, I had the Australian broadcast on.
• 2:16:35
  And like, obviously he's insane. He's very young, he's got
• 2:16:39
  ridiculous potential but the way that they just hype him off was
• 2:16:45
  just like give the kid a break. Like the whole broadcast for
• 2:16:49
  hours on end was like 3 hours till Gout's race.
• 2:16:53
  The cut to the warm up track when he arrived, they cut back
• 2:16:56
  to the warm up track when he's putting his headphones on when
• 2:16:59
  he's doing a stride and it's just like Oh my God, you create
• 2:17:04
  such a like high pressure environment for him.
• 2:17:06
  It almost like elevates him before he can get there himself.
• 2:17:10
  So that like any achievement that he does go on to get is a
• 2:17:13
  bit like understated, like you need to just let him do his
• 2:17:17
  thing in the background. So it's to the point now where
• 2:17:20
  the whole country, non athletics fans entirely aware of him and
• 2:17:26
  they don't obviously understand kind of like how he's going to
• 2:17:30
  train and peek and take years and stuff to develop.
• 2:17:34
  So there's just going to be this expectation and focus on him
• 2:17:38
  from such an early age. Don't think it's very fair.
• 2:17:42
  And then like when he does runners Heath, he qualifies and
• 2:17:46
  the like analysis or interpretation of it was just a
• 2:17:50
  bit stupid because he didn't really run very well.
• 2:17:54
  He looked like a little bit stiff and you could tell that he
• 2:17:57
  was quite tense and stuff. But don't know, it just seems
• 2:18:00
  like there's a bit of an agenda with him and feel like he should
• 2:18:03
  just be given some space to just do his own thing.
• 2:18:06
  Yeah, I think there was a stat around.
• 2:18:08
  They normally send like 14-4 media people to the world
• 2:18:13
  champs. Australia does, but they sent 18
• 2:18:16
  and I think a lot of that was off the back of the fact that
• 2:18:19
  Gout Gout was going to be there. I think I don't know what he's
• 2:18:23
  doing in terms of media and engagement, but I mean, we saw
• 2:18:28
  it when we went down to the track for the national champs,
• 2:18:32
  didn't we? Like there were it few people
• 2:18:38
  bring it proud that are not, you know, athletics fans and I think
• 2:18:42
  he's one of them. And so I think the issue is, I
• 2:18:46
  mean, we had jumping tonight, the gold medal favour.
• 2:18:51
  I think she won gold, right, Uggers like our the high jumper
• 2:18:58
  and the amount of coverage that she would that she like.
• 2:19:01
  I mean she was going as a gold medal favourites, won a gold
• 2:19:03
  medal and she wouldn't have got anywhere near the media
• 2:19:06
  attention both prior to and for her performance.
• 2:19:10
  It all goes to gag out who probably who really didn't run
• 2:19:14
  sort of close to sort of his PB, right, like I think he's like a
• 2:19:17
  22nd guy, 20 flat and I think he ran like 20.3 and maybe he's
• 2:19:22
  heats and semi and semi final sort of didn't progress through.
• 2:19:25
  So like, yeah, I there's for for an athletics fan, it's not it's
• 2:19:30
  not anywhere near as exciting as what the best in the business in
• 2:19:36
  doing. But but I think for the
• 2:19:38
  mainstream media, it's what everyone's keen to know about.
• 2:19:42
  So it just gets way overhyped. Yeah, well, that's it.
• 2:19:44
  All the hype is one thing, but then the failure to kind of call
• 2:19:48
  it how it is is the other thing. But yeah, we'll we'll leave them
• 2:19:53
  alone. And what doesn't, what doesn't
• 2:19:55
  help them also is that, well, I mean, it helps him tremendously.
• 2:19:59
  I'm sure his training partner is Noah Lyles.
• 2:20:02
  Like he's literally playing apprentice to the best in the
• 2:20:05
  world and one of the best to ever do it.
• 2:20:07
  And it it should be seen as so like you should respect the
• 2:20:11
  relationship that Gout's the junior and he's the seasoned
• 2:20:14
  professional. But instead, like Australian
• 2:20:17
  media media getting the opportunity to ask Noah Lyles
• 2:20:20
  one question and they're asking him like, what do you think of
• 2:20:22
  Gout? He's probably thinking like,
• 2:20:24
  what the hell are you on about? Like I'm.
• 2:20:26
  Well done Olympic champion. Why you asking me about this 17
• 2:20:29
  year old kid? But anyway, I think that wraps
• 2:20:33
  us off. Any last thoughts?
• 2:20:36
  No, roll on. Well, LA should be warmed the
• 2:20:39
  Olympics in LA, so that will make it an interesting but with
• 2:20:44
  a few more bigger and championships before then.
• 2:20:48
  But yeah, no, it's really good. Well, good looking getting your
• 2:20:51
  treadmill repaired. Well, they said they'd replace
• 2:20:54
  it. It's just I don't know when it's
• 2:20:55
  going to happen. So I'm going to keep the
• 2:20:56
  pressure on them. But yeah, like, even the weather
• 2:21:02
  is getting so bad here. Like it was literally the summer
• 2:21:05
  shine in there and trying to get a washed on now is a big
• 2:21:09
  problem. Like in Australia.
• 2:21:11
  In Australia, you can literally leave your clothes out overnight
• 2:21:14
  and they dry here. Like one minute it's sunny and
• 2:21:18
  the next minute it's like thunderstorm.
• 2:21:20
  So I had to literally run out there and get the wash in
• 2:21:23
  because it just doesn't dry. Yeah.
• 2:21:26
  Well we saw it all so can vouch for that.
• 2:21:29
  So nice job. And how about you over the next
• 2:21:34
  week, Dean, any run physical? Run, I see the physio during the
• 2:21:38
  week, so I'll sort of get an indication of what I can do.
• 2:21:41
  I've been, I was on the elliptical last week, so putting
• 2:21:46
  a bit more like throat sort of struggled to get the high rate
• 2:21:48
  up too high on that, but gave it a go.
• 2:21:51
  So. Yeah, so hard to get the hurry
• 2:21:54
  up on the elliptical. Was that some somewhat
• 2:21:58
  reassuring that you've still got some fitness lying around or
• 2:22:01
  just. Not really.
• 2:22:02
  I think it's I think it's just a concern that I'm not very good
• 2:22:05
  on the elliptical or it's not great at like I said, as I jump
• 2:22:10
  on the bike, the heart rate rate was high.
• 2:22:12
  So no fitness is definitely not there, but that's fine.
• 2:22:16
  I'll I did a decent amount last week.
• 2:22:18
  I sort of enjoyed it. So I'll try and do the same this
• 2:22:21
  week. Who?
• 2:22:22
  Ryan, do you have any update? Not really.
• 2:22:27
  It seems like that I was getting a bit of positive seeing that I
• 2:22:30
  thought I would be able to start loading it up again.
• 2:22:33
  But then now that like all these cats, cats just spill water
• 2:22:38
  everywhere now, Now that the ion toe treatment is kind of worn
• 2:22:44
  off, the doctor seems to tell me that that essentially just
• 2:22:47
  settles the pain and allows you to start like loading it again.
• 2:22:50
  And then it seems to have resumed to being uncomfortable
• 2:22:53
  again. So I'm just, I feel like I'm
• 2:22:55
  back to square 1 and I'm four months down the line.
• 2:22:58
  So I'm in with Steve myself next week to try and formulate some
• 2:23:03
  sort of a plan. Ironically, one of the guys who
• 2:23:06
  I was having a beer with last night was a doctor and he had a
• 2:23:09
  look, not that I'm going to take medical advice over a pint, but
• 2:23:14
  he he was asking me about it and he said let me have a look at
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  your scan. Is this the same guy that was
• 2:23:21
  playing crocodiles? And stuff it was.
• 2:23:25
  There was a wide variety of backgrounds in this room,
• 2:23:28
  clearly. But this guy said definitely
• 2:23:34
  don't get surgery if you can avoid it.
• 2:23:37
  Like that's the last last resort.
• 2:23:40
  So this PRP thing sounds increasingly more like an
• 2:23:44
  option, although it's meant to be incredibly uncomfortable and
• 2:23:47
  painful. No pain, no gain.
• 2:23:51
  Well, that's it. But yeah, cross training volume
• 2:23:54
  is all I've now got Dean to compete with and keep me honest
• 2:24:00
  and that he's obviously going to be doing about 15 hours a week,
• 2:24:03
  so I feel like I need to be doing something similar, so
• 2:24:06
  that's good. If you if you want to know
• 2:24:08
  something about cross training look up this guy called Caleb
• 2:24:11
  Laker from Melbourne. He does like guys.
• 2:24:17
  I'm on about like 18 hours of elliptical along with like 21
• 2:24:21
  hours of cycling. It's nuts.
• 2:24:23
  Give him a look. And is he still doing it now?
• 2:24:25
  He's still injured. He's no, he's slowly
• 2:24:28
  transitioning into running, but yeah, the hours he puts in is
• 2:24:34
  mind blowing. Like he has to be the most
• 2:24:38
  aerobicy for person on the planet right now.
• 2:24:42
  Mentality monster as well to be able to mentally get through it
• 2:24:46
  all. He's completed Netflix like 100%
• 2:24:49
  on YouTube and Google. All right then, I think me and
• 2:24:52
  Dean need to get to bed there. I'm going to have dinner.
• 2:24:56
  Go on. Thanks fellas.
• 2:24:59
  See you guys. Good luck.
• 2:25:00
  See you. The.
• 2:26:47
  Music.