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ORIGINAL "GONE GIRL" SHERRI PAPINI'S BIZARRE U-TURN CLAIM SHE WAS KIDNAPPED DESPITE JAILTIME FOR HOAX · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the original Gone Girl, the
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Speaker 1: super Mom. Remember Sherry Peppini, who said she was kidnapped
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Speaker 1: by three Hispanic individuals that beat her, knocked out her teeth,
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Speaker 1: broke her nose, starved her.
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Speaker 2: And branded her well tonight.
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Speaker 1: In a bizarre u turn, she now claims she really
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Speaker 1: was kidnapped, despite serving jail time for her elaborate hopes
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Speaker 1: so she could go snug up with the next boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Thought anyone want to work to see what you reporting.
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Speaker 4: I saw a person on the side of the road
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Speaker 4: waving a shirt and I'm getting there in trouble, and.
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Speaker 5: I'm wanting you or I stop rating all the great
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Speaker 5: way by a line email.
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Speaker 6: There's a lady on the Feather Road and meeting Hall.
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Speaker 1: That lady is a liar, and that liar is the
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Speaker 1: original Gone Girl, Sherry Peppini. It all starts right here
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Speaker 1: with a nine one one call.
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Speaker 4: Listen sure, Yeah, So I just got home from work
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Speaker 4: and uh, my wife wasn't there, which is unusual, and
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Speaker 4: my kids should have been there by now from like daycare.
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Speaker 4: So I was like oh, maybe she went on a walk.
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Speaker 4: I couldn't find her, so I called the daycare to
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Speaker 4: see what time she picked up the kids. The kids
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Speaker 4: were never picked up.
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Speaker 7: So I got freaked out.
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Speaker 4: So I hit like to find my phone app thing
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Speaker 4: and it said that her. It showed her phone like
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Speaker 4: at our end of our driveway.
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Speaker 7: We don't have really good service.
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Speaker 4: Okay, not the end of our driveway, at the end
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Speaker 4: of our street, but just drove down there and I
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Speaker 4: saw her phone with their headphones because she started running again.
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Speaker 4: And it's her down on her phone and it's got
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Speaker 4: like hair ripped out of it, like in the headphones.
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Speaker 4: So I'm like totally freaking out, thinking like somebody like,
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Speaker 4: what's her grabber?
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Speaker 1: I will never forget when Chery Peppini, so called super Mom,
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Speaker 1: a very loving mom, seemingly vanishes into thin air, someone
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Speaker 1: apparently snatching her off the street near her home as
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Speaker 1: she goes jogging. Her husband distraught, it was a nightmare.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know now as Cherri Peppini, the original Gone Girl,
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Speaker 1: takes a bizarre U turn. Now this is after she
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Speaker 1: does jail time for pulling off the hoax of the
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Speaker 1: century that she had really been kidnapped, when actually she
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Speaker 1: was snugged up with her boyfriend the whole time. Now
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Speaker 1: she says, Okay, erase, erase, Jurassic Erase. I really was kidnapped,
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Speaker 1: and I pled to lying because I was pressed too.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear this joining me.
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Michael Johnson, superstar in the law enforcement community, Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Shasta County. That department originally investigated the original Sharry Peppinie case. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Johnson, your department faced with a missing mom snatched
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Speaker 1: in broad daylight at the beginning, what did law enforcement think?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, at first, everybody took it very seriously. We thought, yeah,
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Speaker 8: we had a missing girl. And just for clarification, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: I inherited this mess. I came into it, and I
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Speaker 8: call it my favorite waste of time, because that's all
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Speaker 8: Sherry did with anybody, was waste everybody's time. We get
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Speaker 8: the report of and you heard the nine one one
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Speaker 8: of a woman missing and suspicious circumstances. But right from
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Speaker 8: the beginning, the headphones and the phone that you hear
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Speaker 8: about this laying on the ground with hair tangled, and
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Speaker 8: it was kind of coiled neatly and so side. It
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Speaker 8: didn't look at all like an abduction as is reported.
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Speaker 8: But nevertheless, everybody took it very seriously and allocated a
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Speaker 8: whole lot of time, a whole lot of effort. Allied agencies,
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Speaker 8: every public safety, search and rescue, everybody got involved in
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Speaker 8: the beginning to find this missing woman.
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Speaker 1: You know, Sheriff Johnson, at the very beginning, I said
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Speaker 1: the same thing about her phone. I've handled a lot
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Speaker 1: of investigations, prosecutions, and then covered cases as well. Just
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Speaker 1: for instance, Maggie Murdog, you know Alex Murdog, the South
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Speaker 1: Carolina lawyer that murdered his wife and son. Her phone
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Speaker 1: was thrown out of a car window and found on the.
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Speaker 2: Side of the road in the weeds.
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Speaker 1: And it struck me the dichotomy of Shery Papinie's hair
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Speaker 1: being found in the wires of the earpiece like it
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Speaker 1: had been snatched out, but yet it was all coiled
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Speaker 1: up and set away, so it wouldn't be run over.
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Speaker 2: Now, if that jild had really been snatched away.
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Speaker 1: From her, it would have been thrown somewhere and probably
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Speaker 1: run over in the middle of the road.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, or ditched or he would have broken, thrown
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Speaker 8: in the water or something to get rid of it.
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Speaker 8: He wouldn't just leave it there, and it definitely wouldn't
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Speaker 8: have been in the condition it was. Obviously we know
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Speaker 8: that now. But yeah, from the beginning, things were not
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Speaker 8: adding up. And that is a person Johnson.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to disbelieve what a victim says, because
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Speaker 1: victims in our country are so often maligned that I
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Speaker 1: thought there must be some innocent explanation as to how
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Speaker 1: that phone was found neatly tucked away. But that said,
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Speaker 1: this is what the then sheriff had to say, Tomasinka.
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Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 9: Last night, at about ten minutes to six pm, Keith
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Speaker 9: Peppeni reported his wife, Sherry, as a missing person with
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Speaker 9: suspicious circumstances. When he returned home, he found that his
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Speaker 9: wife was not home and the children had not been
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Speaker 9: picked up from their daycare.
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Speaker 1: The reading record searchlight and the search was on to
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Speaker 1: Kelly som joining US anchor Action News Now, the CBS
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Speaker 1: and NBC affiliate in reading, Kelly, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Tell me about the massive search. Now you
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Speaker 1: heard Sheriff Johnson describing it as his favorite waste of
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Speaker 1: time but let me throw a technical legal term at you.
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Speaker 1: There was a crap ton of man hours, money, resources,
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Speaker 1: and emotion poured in to the search for Sherry Peppini.
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Speaker 2: Describe.
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Speaker 10: So we get a lot of missing person reports in
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Speaker 10: the newsroom, but people have a right to disappear if
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Speaker 10: they want, and this one quickly took on a life
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Speaker 10: of its own. We were getting inundated with friends and
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Speaker 10: family members setting us all these pictures you're showing on
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Speaker 10: the screen, and it really painted a compelling tale. Within
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Speaker 10: the first day, it wasn't just law enforcement. There was
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Speaker 10: this uprising of community concern, Strangers volunteering their time to
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Speaker 10: go search for Sherry Peppini, a woman they never met,
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Speaker 10: because it seemed so unusual, according to the story being
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Speaker 10: shared by her loved ones, for her to disappear like
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Speaker 10: this without a trace. So it really did take on
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Speaker 10: a life of its own. It was within hours, all
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Speaker 10: over social media, people sharing and sharing, and that's why
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Speaker 10: it became a national story so quickly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, very very curious, Kelly. She was ultimately sound, she
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Speaker 1: was found, how did she re emerge after she was kidnapped?
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Speaker 1: And what was her story?
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Speaker 10: So it was twenty two days later Thanksgiving morning, I
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Speaker 10: do the early morning news. So as we were wrapping
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Speaker 10: up our show, we were getting the word that in
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Speaker 10: the pre dawn hours, she had been found along Interstate five,
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Speaker 10: about one hundred and fifty miles south of Reading. She
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Speaker 10: was almost darting into traffic, waving frantically to get driver's attention.
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Speaker 10: She had a chain around her waist, she had zip
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Speaker 10: tized around her wrist. She looked like she's been battered
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Speaker 10: and bruised. She had rashes on her arm and legs,
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Speaker 10: and she had been branded. She actually there's some photos
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Speaker 10: where they show her lifting up her shirt and you
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Speaker 10: can see the brand. These are the first photos of
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Speaker 10: her being branded at that time, we thought by her captor.
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Speaker 10: And so it was this dramatic story unfolding, and it
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Speaker 10: was unfolding on Thanksgiving morning when the entire community had
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Speaker 10: gathered to release balloons, yellow balloons in honor of Sherry
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Speaker 10: Peppini as a signal to the heavens, we're looking for
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Speaker 10: your Sherry.
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Speaker 2: And then it seemed like Pat, how I just got
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Speaker 2: to stop you, Kelly. Let me let this just marinate
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Speaker 2: for a moment.
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Speaker 1: The community had gathered to release balloonans to Heaven in
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Speaker 1: a request like a direct balloon Ograham.
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Speaker 2: To God plays up was fine, Sherry.
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Speaker 10: This is correct.
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Speaker 2: It happened.
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Speaker 10: There was a turkey trot that morning, and in conjunction
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Speaker 10: with that, people were going to use the opportunity to
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Speaker 10: release balloons. Now, the first sign that she had been
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Speaker 10: found with the family did not show up for the
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Speaker 10: balloon release that they had organized. The closest family members, Keith,
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Speaker 10: did not show up, and so behind the scenes there
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Speaker 10: were a lot of phone calls happening again early morning
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Speaker 10: hours four three am that she had been found, and
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Speaker 10: then we would get the news confirmed later that day.
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Speaker 1: I mean, haul John Kelly, I got to go to
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Speaker 1: Shriff Michael Johnson a balloon release, really really.
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Speaker 2: Begging, pleading with God.
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Speaker 1: And the whole time she's snugged up at our ex
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Speaker 1: boyfriend's place.
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Speaker 2: The balloon release, I did not know that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the point is, I'm not mocking a balloon release.
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Speaker 1: I've done balloon releases. I've gathered and had prayer circles
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Speaker 1: and prayed for someone to be found. We recently did
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Speaker 1: one for Susanne. More few that somehow there would be justice.
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Speaker 2: In that case, that the truth would come out whatever
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Speaker 2: that may be.
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Speaker 1: And I believe in prayer, but that she would manipulate
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Speaker 1: the community, law enforcement and her family, her children, Oh
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Speaker 1: my stars thinking Mommy's gone and may never come home.
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Speaker 1: A balloon release my rear end. I mean, when you
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Speaker 1: look back and you think about what all everyone went through,
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Speaker 1: the blood, the sweat, the tears to find this woman
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Speaker 1: who then tried to blame some She says, three unknown Hispanics.
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Speaker 1: What if there had been an arrest of people that
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Speaker 1: matched her pretty accurate description.
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Speaker 2: She gave a detailed description.
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Speaker 1: What if someone had actually been and arrested for Pete's sake?
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Speaker 8: Well, as a matter of fact, the officers from various
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Speaker 8: agencies were pulling over vehicles and anybody that remotely matched
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Speaker 8: the descriptions and the suspects that she alleged had kidnapped her.
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Speaker 8: Because we're looking for clues and we're looking for suspects,
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Speaker 8: and we're trying to do our job, and it's all
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Speaker 8: this hoax and painted picture by a self serving and
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Speaker 8: narcissistic personality that just doesn't care, only cares about herself.
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Speaker 1: So in the bottom line, Sheriff Johnson, what was her story?
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Speaker 1: Who does she claim kidnapped her, starved her, beat her,
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Speaker 1: broke her nose, and branded her with a hot branding iron.
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Speaker 8: Who did she blame, Well, she's blaming her boyfriend now,
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Speaker 8: But who did she blame before a company?
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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I don't mean this iteration, Sheriff. I mean
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Speaker 1: the old kidnappers. Oh, there they are.
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Speaker 2: Who did she blame the get go, Sheriff Johnson?
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Speaker 8: Who she blamed those Hispanic women that kidnapped her? And
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Speaker 8: she'd been held captive by a third person, and she
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Speaker 8: was making it up as she went, and it, just
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Speaker 8: as you heard, it became a community interest story in
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Speaker 8: a nationwide interest story because of the circumstances involved, and
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Speaker 8: it just became this perfect storm of lies. And once
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Speaker 8: we got her back, once she was found, which was
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Speaker 8: her getting dropped off on the side of the road
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Speaker 8: and continuing her hopes. Once we started that investigation, we
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Speaker 8: had her and interviewed her, we knew that she had
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Speaker 8: fabricated this.
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Speaker 3: We had.
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Speaker 8: The problem was you have to build the case and
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Speaker 8: make absolutely sure that you have all the evidence before
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Speaker 8: you come out and tell the public that she's in
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Speaker 8: fact a liar. And in that meantime, she's out there
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Speaker 8: meeting with other families. We have an unsolved case of
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Speaker 8: a young girl who went missing and ready years ago.
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Speaker 8: She went and met with that family and tried to
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Speaker 8: sympathize with them and tell them how much they had
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Speaker 8: in common and how she had been abducted as well
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Speaker 8: as just her her narcissism just is sickening.
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Speaker 1: She went to another kidnapped girls family and tried to
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Speaker 1: empathize with them.
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Speaker 8: Yes, unsolved.
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Speaker 2: She did not.
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Speaker 1: Get enough jail time for this. I'm just putting that
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Speaker 1: out there.
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Speaker 9: We need to.
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Speaker 1: Rethink that now. Joining me is a special guest Doctor
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Speaker 1: Stephen M. Diggs, Cherry Pepenis Therapist. He is a licensed
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Speaker 1: psychologist and owner director of the NYSA Therapy. He's the
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Speaker 1: author of Secondhand Girl from Foster careacter Borderline Personality to Peace.
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Speaker 1: His website nysatherapy dot com.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Diggs, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 11: You're welcome.
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Speaker 1: You believe that your client, Sherry Pepini, was in fact kidnapped.
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Speaker 2: I do bye who by James the boyfriend? The boyfriend?
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Speaker 2: Why well?
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Speaker 11: Because even though Sheriff Johnson says she's narcissistic, I'm a
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Speaker 11: specialist in personality disorder and she is not narcissistic. She
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Speaker 11: has another condition which I've gone into at least in
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Speaker 11: other places. But the real question is what condition would
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Speaker 11: that be? She has self defeating personality disorder. Self defeating
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Speaker 11: personality disorder. Now the real question isn't.
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Speaker 1: Could it possibly be the I want attention from men,
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Speaker 1: various men, no matter what I have to do to
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Speaker 1: get it, and I have my life.
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Speaker 2: Fed to me on a silver spoon. Blah blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, didn't her family have issues with her violent
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Speaker 1: outbursts before any of this happened.
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Speaker 11: The question shouldn't be Nancy, why do I believe Sherry?
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Speaker 11: The question should be why do I not believe James?
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Speaker 11: It is even simplussed to kind all of you to
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Speaker 11: believe James when there hasn't been enough scrutiny placed upon him.
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Speaker 11: And I can apply that scrutiny now, if you'd like
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Speaker 11: to help me do it.
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Speaker 1: The original Gone Girl Sherry Peppini, After doing hard jail
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Speaker 1: time for a huge kidnap hoax, she now claims that
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Speaker 1: she is quote setting the record straight. Sherry Peppini is
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Speaker 1: setting the record straight on what really happened to her
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Speaker 1: and why she says the lie she told about being
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Speaker 1: kidnapped by two Hispanic women was really supposed to be
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Speaker 1: a tip for law enforcement as to the identity of
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Speaker 1: her real kidnapper, even though she admitted a law enforcement
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Speaker 1: her disappearance was a hoax she orchestrated. Peppini says, she
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Speaker 1: really was kidnapped, and she's the victim of two men,
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Speaker 1: the ex boyfriend who really abducted her and the ex
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Speaker 1: husband who emotionally abused her and made her miserable.
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Speaker 2: Let's try to make sense of what we know now.
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Speaker 1: This is what I know, what she told police after
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Speaker 1: she was discovered in a chain and zip ties.
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Speaker 2: Let's go straight to her police interrogation.
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Speaker 12: Listen, if you want Keith to.
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Speaker 13: Leave, I'll ask Keith nicely to leave.
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Speaker 12: If you don't want Keith to leave, then he can
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Speaker 12: sit oud of the stress and we'll move on to
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Speaker 12: the next stages. But I want to give you that
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Speaker 12: opportunity first.
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Speaker 1: Can you see those little wheels turning right there? They're
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Speaker 1: asking h because they're onto her line that three Hispanic
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Speaker 1: people did not kid two Hispanic women did not kidnap her.
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Speaker 1: There are two many inconsistencies. This is very, very wrong,
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Speaker 1: and unbeknownst to her at this time, they have already
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Speaker 1: interviewed and pollyed the boyfriend, who has never been charged
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Speaker 1: and is still not charged, and who cooperated. They've talked
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Speaker 1: to his brother, his mother, they have thoroughly examined the
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Speaker 1: scene and they know that she's lying. Okay, now they ask, hey,
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Speaker 1: do you want us to make your husband leave? Joining
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Speaker 1: me right now is a very special guest, a renowned
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Speaker 1: body language expert, author of How to Detect Li's Fraud
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Speaker 1: and Identity Theft at body languagetrader dot Com is Tracy Brown. Tracy,
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Speaker 1: I want you, doctor Diggs, doctor John Delatorre, another shrink
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Speaker 1: joining us in Darryl Cohen to watch her during her
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Speaker 1: police interview. Now, did you see the way she looked
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Speaker 1: at the investigator when he said you want your husband
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Speaker 1: to leave? That she looks at him and she's all
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Speaker 1: curled up.
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Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to save you.
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Speaker 1: What happens for the next five to eight minutes where
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Speaker 1: she won't answer does she want them to leave? Should
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Speaker 1: I stay or should I go? Nobody can decide. Okay,
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Speaker 1: she doesn't say no, I want him here. This goes
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Speaker 1: on and on and on, but I want to hear
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Speaker 1: from you, Tracy, what you think about her body language.
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Speaker 14: Whenever someone shrinks, they are not confident in what they're saying.
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Speaker 14: And so we see we see her lean over, she's
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Speaker 14: got her hand here on her chin. She's trying to
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Speaker 14: explain things that maybe didn't really happen. And so she
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Speaker 14: goes from being pretty still to all of a sudden
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Speaker 14: really animated and bringing this in.
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Speaker 10: But then again we see her shrink, and so.
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Speaker 14: Those dichotomies tell us, wait a minute, there's there's inconsistency
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Speaker 14: in her and in her thoughts, and it shows with
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Speaker 14: her body language.
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Speaker 1: The cops leave, and then she and her husband whisper
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Speaker 1: furiously and.
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Speaker 2: This goes on.
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Speaker 1: But I could hear what they're saying, and she's saying,
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Speaker 1: I don't want them to find her. I don't want
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Speaker 1: them to find her. Who is her one of the
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Speaker 1: Hispanic women that kidnapped her, beat her and branded her
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Speaker 1: and broke her nose and starved her. Okay, now we're
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Speaker 1: going to hear, after furious whispering with her husband, how
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Speaker 1: shery Peppini doesn't want her kidnappers to be caught after
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Speaker 1: they beat her, branded her, broke her nose and starved her.
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Speaker 1: She doesn't want them caught because they don't exist.
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Speaker 2: Listen, I don't.
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Speaker 10: Want them to find her.
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Speaker 2: If you're how listening to me, because she seemed to.
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Speaker 7: Be life, what do you want.
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Speaker 4: I don't want her to get in trouble.
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Speaker 3: She's not going to get in trouble.
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Speaker 13: So the DNA came back to James Race, Indiana. It
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Speaker 13: was on you Belong jams.
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Speaker 2: Race, Okay.
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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen with me, veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor
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Speaker 1: in the same office where I prosecuted Inner City Atlanta, Fulton, DA,
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Speaker 1: now private attorney at Cohen Cooper EASTEP and Allen.
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Speaker 2: How do you think that husband's feeling about right now?
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Speaker 15: Well now, and.
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Speaker 1: They say, hey, the DNA like all over you is
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Speaker 1: your ex boyfriend not an Hispanic female and he's like truth, Bob.
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Speaker 15: Well, so you can start with the fact this is
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Speaker 15: not Sherrie. Sherry maybe from the Four Seasons. This is
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Speaker 15: Sherry who may or may not be narcissistic, but she
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Speaker 15: is clearly liassisting. When you have all of that DNA
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Speaker 15: from an ex boyfriend, it didn't just get there, It
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Speaker 15: didn't fly in from the sky, and it didn't just arrive.
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Speaker 15: She cannot tell the truth, and because she can't, she lies.
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Speaker 15: And what happens when you lie You have to remember
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Speaker 15: what you said, and you have to be consistent. She
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Speaker 15: was not smart enough to keep her story simple. She
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Speaker 15: kept it complicated and confusing, and the more confusing she got,
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Speaker 15: the more she had to remember, and the more difficult
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Speaker 15: it was for her to be consistent. She is Shary
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Speaker 15: the liar who deserved much more incarceration time because of
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Speaker 15: the fact that she wasted law enforcement's time and effort
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Speaker 15: as she ruined the public. Because when people actually do
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Speaker 15: get kidnapped, we want the public to be good. We
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Speaker 15: want them to look for them. What we don't want
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Speaker 15: is someone like Sharry the Liar to ruin it for
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Speaker 15: the people who actually are honest victims.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: About the PolyGram to Sheriff Michael Johnson, who inherited this case.
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Speaker 2: Sheriff Johnson.
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Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini's private therapist, a renowned therapist, doctor Stephen M. Diggs,
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Speaker 1: states that she passed a Polly first I heard of it.
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Speaker 1: Did she pass a Polly?
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Speaker 12: No?
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Speaker 8: She got two questions right on a Polly that's it.
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Speaker 8: Two questions. That doesn't make her passing a polly. And
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Speaker 8: I got to go back to something else about you know,
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Speaker 8: I've always I always wondered how people can even still
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Speaker 8: sympathize with Sherry and believe her. And I just heard
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Speaker 8: the doctor that believes her. Actually James came up the
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Speaker 8: day before she went missing. So she went missing on
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Speaker 8: November tewod He came up November first, by her plan,
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Speaker 8: rented a car as she told him to, was supposed
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Speaker 8: to go missing that evening didn't work out. Plans didn't
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Speaker 8: work out. He spent the night in his car in
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Speaker 8: a parking lot and waited till the next day, till
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Speaker 8: they could orchestrate this plan. How you could say that
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Speaker 8: that she was actually kidnapped now and blame James and
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Speaker 8: and one other thing. I will agree with the doctor.
23:10
Speaker 8: She definitely has a personality disorder. I don't know what
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Speaker 8: that technical disorder is, but I agree whether your prosecutor
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Speaker 8: a liar is the best the best one, I could say,
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Speaker 8: proven convicted liar, Doctor Diggs.
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Speaker 1: Did you know that fact that the boyfriend James, who
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Speaker 1: has never been charged with anything and fully cooperated along
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Speaker 1: with his brother and his mother and others that Shaw
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Speaker 1: saw Sherry.
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Speaker 2: Pepinie in his apartment.
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Speaker 1: Did you know he had come up the day before
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Speaker 1: and rented a car, pursue it to her request and
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Speaker 1: ended up staying overnight.
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Speaker 2: Yes, to leave with her the next day.
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Speaker 11: Well, I mean, what I believe is that she wanted
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Speaker 11: to have a hotel room or a parking lot and
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Speaker 11: then get back home as quick as quickly as possible,
24:01
Speaker 11: But that the plan to go and leave for twenty
24:03
Speaker 11: two days was his. She did not have that plan.
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Speaker 2: Well, then why the rental car?
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Speaker 11: Well, because he wanted to get around in town, I suppose,
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Speaker 11: I mean, he needed a way to drive around.
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Speaker 2: She told him to get the rental car.
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Speaker 11: Perhaps I don't know about that detail.
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Speaker 13: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean we're telling you they have evidence that
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Speaker 1: she told him to get a rental car and to
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Speaker 1: come under the day before.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 11: Well, she is, she has been. She's doing better through therapy.
24:31
Speaker 11: But she is a hardcore liar. That is true. What
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Speaker 11: I'm saying is it takes critical thinking her, folks, to
24:37
Speaker 11: separate lying from abduction. Her crime was lying, But she
24:42
Speaker 11: was abducted. And if you look at the film she
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Speaker 11: made her polygraph. Person says, both things can be true.
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Speaker 11: She can be lying and she could have been abducted.
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Speaker 11: They can be true.
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I agree with that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, doctor DELATOORI is joining me another amazing shrink,
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Speaker 1: and I mean that in a loving and caring way.
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Speaker 1: A psychologist mediator specializing in forensic psychology. I'm consultant to
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Speaker 1: Project Absence, which is a nonprofit to help find missing people.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Tellatory, thank you. I certainly think two things can
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Speaker 1: be true to seemingly inconsistent things. Hey, I know she's lying,
25:25
Speaker 1: but be I don't think it's possible that she was
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Speaker 1: kidnapped based on the hard evidence.
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Speaker 2: So the fact that she claims to have passed.
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Speaker 1: A polygraph, and I know for a fact she did
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Speaker 1: not pass a polygraph, the fact that she told someone
25:41
Speaker 1: to come ahead of time in a rental car, driving
25:44
Speaker 1: almost one thousand miles round trip to get her and
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Speaker 1: take her away, there's got to be there's got to
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Speaker 1: be something in the DSM to describe this woman insane.
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Speaker 2: It ain't okay, because.
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Speaker 1: That's a defense under the law. She knew what she
26:01
Speaker 1: was doing, deleatorill.
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Speaker 7: She absolutely knew what she was doing.
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Speaker 3: I think there's an element of an impression management type presentation,
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Speaker 3: meaning there are some individuals who need to come across a.
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Speaker 7: Certain way to the world, to society, to the community.
26:18
Speaker 3: Whoever, either as a hero or as a victim, these
26:22
Speaker 3: individuals will say and do anything in order to keep
26:26
Speaker 3: that kind of presentation going. I think there are elements
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Speaker 3: maybe of history on it, personality disorder, if we were
26:34
Speaker 3: to really kind of boil down what exactly it is
26:37
Speaker 3: that's going on. Uncomfortable in situations in which she's not
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Speaker 3: the center of attention, shallow affects, there are a lot
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Speaker 3: of elements in which she's trying to control a narrative
26:47
Speaker 3: in order to make herself seem like a victim. Now
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Speaker 3: with histrionic unfortunately, these people tend to be more suggestible,
26:54
Speaker 3: where Sherry Kippini seems to come across as.
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Speaker 7: More proactive and in telling whatever falsehood she thinks is
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Speaker 7: going to fit the situation that she finds herself in.
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Speaker 7: And that's where we get the two things can be
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Speaker 7: true at the same time, which is she's a liar
27:12
Speaker 7: but believes that everything happened the way that she described it.
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Speaker 7: A lot really only works at.
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Speaker 1: The life in the delatory, which time the first time
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Speaker 1: when it was the fake Hispanic kidnappers, or this time
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Speaker 1: when it's a boyfriend. And did you notice Sheriff Michael Johnson,
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Speaker 1: who has clarified that she did not poss a past
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Speaker 1: a polygraph. Did you notice when you guys are getting
27:37
Speaker 1: to go arrest, find and arrest to female Hispanic women,
27:41
Speaker 1: She's like, wait, I don't want them arrested because they
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Speaker 1: let me go. They saved my life by letting me go. Translation,
27:50
Speaker 1: that's all a big fat line. I don't want you
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Speaker 1: to find out.
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Speaker 8: That's exactly what it was. Everybody knows it. And now suddenly,
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Speaker 8: because she's in a court battle and wants custody of
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Speaker 8: her kids, she's got a new story. And that's that's
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Speaker 8: all this is. Is she's looking for more attention. She
28:08
Speaker 8: wants to win a case, she wants sympathy, she wants
28:11
Speaker 8: some custody of her kids. And this is her next
28:14
Speaker 8: ditch effort to try to create more drama.
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Speaker 12: Toil agreements, phone into the carbonsil agreements. We have everything
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Speaker 12: that says that he said, he.
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Speaker 13: Told that's James product diseased.
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Speaker 12: Nick, So everything you told us, so many truths in
28:35
Speaker 12: this situation. The reason why you can describe the rooms
28:39
Speaker 12: is because you stayed in the room in the dark
28:41
Speaker 12: for hours, for days on end. The reason why you
28:45
Speaker 12: lost so much weight is because you stopped eating. The
28:48
Speaker 12: reason why you got a rash on your farm is
28:50
Speaker 12: because he cleaned his house.
28:52
Speaker 13: The reason why the brand is because.
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Speaker 8: He went to the store and bought the brand mantols
28:57
Speaker 8: and branded you.
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Speaker 13: The reason why your nose is because of the hearts.
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Speaker 1: Wow to Kelly som joining US anchor Action News now
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Speaker 1: CBS and NBC affiliate in Redding.
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Speaker 2: That's a lot of evidence.
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Speaker 1: The rental agreement, the phone rental, the car rental, everything, DNA,
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Speaker 1: blonde hair.
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Speaker 2: The works.
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Speaker 1: Now that brings to light the fact that Sherry Pepini
29:25
Speaker 1: was using a burner phone and when she described the
29:29
Speaker 1: home of the female Hispanic kidnappers, she actually described the
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Speaker 1: home of the boyfriend, James Rayis down.
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Speaker 2: To a photo in his room of his dead brother.
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Speaker 10: I think what the investigation revealed is she was able
29:44
Speaker 10: to give the very detailed misrepresentation so they found believable,
29:50
Speaker 10: but then later when you go to confirm them, they
29:53
Speaker 10: don't match up with reality. Some of the other details
29:56
Speaker 10: she shared with that she felt cold and where she
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Speaker 10: s as she was kept it rained almost every night.
30:03
Speaker 10: That there was a windy road and she felt like
30:05
Speaker 10: she was being taken up in elevation. Is up into
30:08
Speaker 10: the mountains. That does not describe the boyfriend's apartment in Coastamasa, California.
30:14
Speaker 10: It did not rain every night. It was definitely not
30:16
Speaker 10: cold there. So parts of the story were true, and
30:21
Speaker 10: then parts of them were not. It was a very
30:24
Speaker 10: detailed lie. And in that interview where they confronted her
30:27
Speaker 10: with the fact, they gave her an opportunity to say,
30:31
Speaker 10: isn't he a problem with your husband, Keith Peppini, she said, no,
30:35
Speaker 10: I love my husband. I don't want to leave him.
30:37
Speaker 10: I'm a terrible person for community communicating with former boyfriends.
30:42
Speaker 10: They gave her an opportunity to finger and point the
30:45
Speaker 10: finger at James rage and she said, no, James loves me,
30:49
Speaker 10: he's my friend. He wouldn't do anything like this. So
30:52
Speaker 10: they were in essence bending over backwards, giving her an
30:55
Speaker 10: opportunity to tell the story. She waited another five years
30:59
Speaker 10: to tell.
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Speaker 1: There's more but the fact that she was using a
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Speaker 1: burner phone shareff Michael Michael Johnson is with us. The
31:09
Speaker 1: only people that I know that use burner phones are
31:11
Speaker 1: dope dealers and felons. I mean, why do you need
31:16
Speaker 1: a burner phone?
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Speaker 8: Because you want to create distance, You don't want a
31:20
Speaker 8: law enforcement to find you, you don't want other people
31:22
Speaker 8: to find you. There's a number of reasons, right. Burner
31:25
Speaker 8: phones are the tool of the trade for criminal activity,
31:29
Speaker 8: and she's no different she. Let's not forget she's proven
31:35
Speaker 8: convicted liar. The whole thing's a hoax.
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Speaker 2: Guys, there's more.
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Speaker 1: Listen to the interrogation and watch your body language and
31:41
Speaker 1: how she reacts.
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Speaker 13: I rented a car for a look and picked her up.
31:49
Speaker 13: He passed the polygraph test.
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Speaker 5: Here.
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Speaker 13: If that's not what happened, what did happen here?
31:55
Speaker 2: No, there's no.
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Speaker 13: Way is change away. Ay d doesn't like his DNA
32:04
Speaker 13: is his DNA was on me.
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Speaker 2: There's no way.
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Speaker 13: Robert saw you in the house while you were down there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the boyfriend, James Ray's brother, Robert saw Peppini in
32:16
Speaker 1: the house and everything was fine. Nobody was being held
32:20
Speaker 1: against their will. But that's her story. Now, in a
32:23
Speaker 1: bizarre you turn the ultimate the original gone girl says, Okay, yes,
32:29
Speaker 1: maybe I wasn't kidnapped by two Hispanic females and beaten starved,
32:33
Speaker 1: but I was kidnapped by my old boyfriend. Crime Stories
32:44
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Okay, DEARYLD Cohen, another truth bomb is
32:51
Speaker 1: dropped on the husband. You knows how she's looking down
32:53
Speaker 1: and she won't look at the husband when they say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: your ex boyfriend's DNA is all over you.
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Speaker 15: Woman, Oh, it's wonderful, Nancy. She is digging and digging.
33:03
Speaker 15: She's not just using a little shovel, She's using a
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Speaker 15: ditch digger, because that is what she is doing. Piece
33:10
Speaker 15: by piece by piece. She's putting the story together that
33:15
Speaker 15: she cannot even fathom her husband, who apparently is a
33:19
Speaker 15: good person.
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Speaker 2: And Tracy jumping off what Darryl Cohen is saying.
33:23
Speaker 1: Do you notice how she won't she does her face
33:26
Speaker 1: like this and won't even look at her husband when
33:28
Speaker 1: the cops keep taking sheriffs keep talking about your ex boyfriend,
33:32
Speaker 1: James Rayes, DNA is all over you.
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Speaker 2: His brother saw you, his mother knew you were there.
33:37
Speaker 1: I mean, she won't look at her husband, and she
33:41
Speaker 1: just keeps saying, it's not him, it's not him.
33:43
Speaker 2: But guess what today, she says it is him.
33:45
Speaker 14: Well, there's that, And here's what I notice off of
33:47
Speaker 14: that is there's no tears.
33:49
Speaker 2: She's not like she's trying to cry.
33:52
Speaker 14: But when people cry, they'll they'll poll at themselves, and
33:57
Speaker 14: she's not doing any of that. But if you listen
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Speaker 14: to her tong that's where she's trying to go. So
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Speaker 14: sake tears right there.
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Speaker 12: You used a burner phone to call another burner phone
34:08
Speaker 12: for James to come and get you.
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Speaker 13: You're saying, since you're married, you haven't called James.
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Speaker 6: I have called James because earlier he is then you
34:16
Speaker 6: had contacted James.
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Speaker 13: As phone records. Story that you do, you did, the
34:24
Speaker 13: phone's don't lie, the DNA doesn't my share. You can
34:26
Speaker 13: go a couple of different directions.
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Speaker 6: Now his story, I've already told you lying to me
34:30
Speaker 6: as a crime, So you walk out the story.
34:31
Speaker 13: We're telling lies and that's a crime.
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Speaker 1: I think we need any.
34:36
Speaker 2: Later with me.
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Speaker 1: In addition to our other incredible guest is Sherry Peppinie's psychologist,
34:43
Speaker 1: her therapist, California psychologist at NYSA Therapy, doctor Stephen Diggs.
34:50
Speaker 1: So is there a rational explanation from peppinie as to
34:55
Speaker 1: why she was using a burner phone to call James
34:59
Speaker 1: Rays her phone?
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Speaker 2: Why did they both need burner phones?
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Speaker 5: She was trying to have him to share with him,
35:05
Speaker 5: That's what she says.
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Speaker 2: Then why did he need a burner phone?
35:08
Speaker 5: I don't know that.
35:09
Speaker 2: Well, that's a hard question.
35:14
Speaker 1: To answer, but I think I have a pretty good
35:19
Speaker 1: idea about why it could not be revealed that she
35:25
Speaker 1: was snugged up with her ex boyfriend talking to other.
35:29
Speaker 2: Guys that got me here?
35:34
Speaker 13: So are you what I aspect?
35:36
Speaker 12: Are you saying, how did how does some other people
35:38
Speaker 12: get here what you got?
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Speaker 6: Obviously you've heard questions, so you can read through some
35:48
Speaker 6: of those. And I understand you've seen some of the photos,
35:51
Speaker 6: so you know some of the investing. Yeah, but you
35:56
Speaker 6: can also know as your reaction compared to her reaction.
35:59
Speaker 7: Yeah, no percent, That's what I'm saying from my side.
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Speaker 2: But now now you're telling me, Okay, you guys go.
36:03
Speaker 13: Home elf whole.
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Speaker 3: I want her anywhere around my kids or around me
36:07
Speaker 3: at all at this point.
36:08
Speaker 1: Isn't it true Kelly Sam that after a previous incident
36:13
Speaker 1: of cheating, that Sherry Peppini signed a post nup after
36:18
Speaker 1: the marriage, stating that she would lose custody if she
36:22
Speaker 1: cheated again, and that's why she couldn't admit that she
36:27
Speaker 1: was at her ex boyfriend's plaicing covered in his DNA
36:30
Speaker 1: correct About.
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Speaker 10: A year into their marriage, Keith had Sherry sign that
36:35
Speaker 10: post nuptial agreement saying, if I catch you cheating again,
36:40
Speaker 10: you're pretty much going to lose everything, and you're going
36:42
Speaker 10: to lose the kids and the money. And that was
36:45
Speaker 10: in the back of her mind, very very fearful of
36:48
Speaker 10: losing her children, and so that's what prompted the false
36:53
Speaker 10: story coming back that No, I wasn't cheating, I wasn't communicating,
36:58
Speaker 10: I was hiding these communications with burner phones so I
37:01
Speaker 10: wouldn't be discovered and I wouldn't lose my children.
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Speaker 1: Okay, to doctor Stephen Diggs, were you aware of the
37:08
Speaker 1: posting up that if she cheated again she would lose
37:11
Speaker 1: custody of the children and all the money.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, she's a liar and the cheater, and she's got
37:17
Speaker 5: self defeating personality disorder, and as the other psychologist said,
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Speaker 5: she's got history onic features too. These are all common
37:24
Speaker 5: activities and people with that diagnosis.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know to me, Doctor Delatory, that posting up
37:31
Speaker 1: that she would lose the children and the money if
37:34
Speaker 1: she cheated again.
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Speaker 2: To me, that says it all.
37:39
Speaker 1: That explains why she has to say that she was
37:43
Speaker 1: kidnapped by the ex boyfriend James Reyes, because if she
37:48
Speaker 1: can prove she was kidnapped, that means she wasn't cheating,
37:52
Speaker 1: and therefore she can get money and children.
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Speaker 2: Am I being clear, Doctor Delatory?
37:58
Speaker 7: Absolutely, it's a catalyst.
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Speaker 3: Right, So her husband already knew that this was a
38:03
Speaker 3: behavior that she could likely do again, and once she
38:07
Speaker 3: felt compelled to engage in that behavior right have the affair,
38:10
Speaker 3: she knew that she was going to have to find
38:12
Speaker 3: a way to skirt around this post nuptial agreement. I mean,
38:17
Speaker 3: I can't see how the kidnapping could be legitimate, as
38:21
Speaker 3: then it's like she was legitimately kidnapped when she has
38:25
Speaker 3: every reason to lie and has done so in order
38:29
Speaker 3: to skirt around what is known going to be a consequence,
38:33
Speaker 3: which is losing everything that she had ever won.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand what the end game is now, Sheriff
38:38
Speaker 1: Michael Johnson with us, you and doctor Diggs know this
38:42
Speaker 1: better than any of US Sheriff Johnson. Why the IDA
38:47
Speaker 1: Discovery special. I guess to further perception that she, okay,
38:55
Speaker 1: first of all, wasn't kidnapped, that she lied about that,
38:58
Speaker 1: that she lied about the two Hispanic females kidnapping her
39:02
Speaker 1: for what. They didn't molest her, they didn't get any money,
39:05
Speaker 1: and then they just said, oh, yeah, you know what,
39:06
Speaker 1: forget it. I'm just going to throw it out on
39:08
Speaker 1: the street. That was a lie, she says. But now
39:13
Speaker 1: she's saying that she lied again. She's now saying that
39:18
Speaker 1: she was kidnapped, although you see her and all these
39:22
Speaker 1: confession tapes saying it wasn't him, it wasn't.
39:25
Speaker 2: Him, blah blah, blah blah. I mean, what's the end
39:28
Speaker 2: game here?
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Speaker 8: I think the end game it's just like doctor Delatry said,
39:34
Speaker 8: this is her last stitch effort to try to get
39:38
Speaker 8: custody of her kids, to try to get some sort
39:41
Speaker 8: of stability, with monetary stability back in her life. And
39:46
Speaker 8: probably because of her disorder and because of who she is,
39:51
Speaker 8: she's still starving for her attention and she wants to
39:53
Speaker 8: be in the limelight and I can't. Yeah, I mean,
39:56
Speaker 8: you've covered a lot of it. There's so much evidence
39:59
Speaker 8: over evidence that she has lied and created this whole thing,
40:04
Speaker 8: and she in fact did not get kidnapped that it's
40:09
Speaker 8: just ridiculous to me that we're even talking about this
40:12
Speaker 8: because she's come up with a new life.
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Speaker 1: What do you think is the strongest evidence a sheriff
40:17
Speaker 1: that she was not kidnapped by the ex boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: In addition to what.
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Speaker 1: His mother says, his brother says, they're both using burner phones.
40:27
Speaker 1: And by the way, that was a nine hundred mile
40:30
Speaker 1: round trip he took, okay just to get her.
40:34
Speaker 2: Really is she worth that?
40:35
Speaker 15: In her direction?
40:36
Speaker 13: All right?
40:37
Speaker 2: But says she was in the car for four hundred
40:39
Speaker 2: and fifty miles.
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Speaker 1: She couldn't jump out or use one of her burner
40:42
Speaker 1: phones to get away.
40:43
Speaker 8: Oh, they stopped at it. They stopped and let her
40:45
Speaker 8: use the restroom on the way after she was picked
40:48
Speaker 8: up on the way back to his place in Coast Amazon.
40:51
Speaker 8: If she really wanted to get away and she was
40:53
Speaker 8: really abducted and kidnapped, she had opportunity not to be
40:58
Speaker 8: held by her captive at all, and there is I
41:01
Speaker 8: don't know, when you say what's the most compelling evidence,
41:05
Speaker 8: I don't know. That there is one thing. It's a
41:07
Speaker 8: conglomeration of all these facts put together that make such
41:12
Speaker 8: a strong case, which is why she confessed, which is
41:16
Speaker 8: why she did prison time, which is why she agreed
41:19
Speaker 8: to restitution payments for the time and money she wasted
41:23
Speaker 8: on everybody. Now, this is just another Sherry peppini lie.
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Speaker 2: I want you to hear something else, everybody, And of
41:29
Speaker 2: course I'm no shrink. We can all agree on that.
41:32
Speaker 2: I'm just a JD. But I want you to hear this.
41:35
Speaker 13: James said you.
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Speaker 12: Had your job broking by him, and that's why I
41:38
Speaker 12: came and got you, because you're an inducive relationship.
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Speaker 2: Too.
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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen is joining me, longtime colleague. We prosecuted in
41:47
Speaker 1: the same offs together. Darryl, you've met my husband David
41:50
Speaker 1: many many times and the twins. When I see you
41:53
Speaker 1: or talk to you, do I immediately say I love
41:56
Speaker 1: my husband Nancy? And Shakespeare said me thinks thou doth
42:00
Speaker 1: protest too much? Why does she keep saying.
42:02
Speaker 2: I love my husband? Because she's busted with her ex boyfriend.
42:08
Speaker 16: Because she's been caught and she doesn't know what to do.
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Speaker 16: She's been so caught. No, when I run into you.
42:14
Speaker 16: Your body language, the way you and your husband are together,
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Speaker 16: tells me everything. And I may not be a certified
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Speaker 16: body language expert, but I look at facial expressions, I
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Speaker 16: look at body language. I watch what's going on, and
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Speaker 16: that tells me a lot. No, you don't overly say
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Speaker 16: oh I love my husband, but it's what you do
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Speaker 16: that makes it all worthwhile. It's how you do it.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to an expert. Tracy Brown Darryl Cohen hit
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Speaker 1: it on the head. What does that mean that she
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Speaker 1: keeps saying And that was just one tiny tidbit. I've
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Speaker 1: watched the whole thing at nauseum and she keeps saying
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Speaker 1: I love and trying to cry. But what does that
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Speaker 1: mean when you keep asserting that nobody asked her?
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Speaker 14: That's exactly what I was going to say. Hey, nobody
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Speaker 14: asked her at all. And so this is what she
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Speaker 14: wants you to believe. At all times. Whenever anybody is
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Speaker 14: asking any kind of important question, you got to ask
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Speaker 14: yourself what do they want you to believe about them?
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Speaker 14: And that's in this case number one, that she loves
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Speaker 14: her husband even though nobody asks, nobody probably cares. But
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Speaker 14: this tells us something about what she wants us to
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Speaker 14: believe about her relationship and how she operates in the world.
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Speaker 1: Sadly, Cherry Peppini cannot be prosecuted for lying to Discovery
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Speaker 1: ID or else she'd be facing another slew of charges.
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Speaker 1: Let's stop and remember an American hero officer Agian Lopez
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Speaker 1: White Mountain Apache PD shot in the line of duty,
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Speaker 1: leaving behind a grieving wife, Lushawna, and two children. American
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Speaker 1: hero Officer Adrian Lopez. Nancy Gray signing off the abutment