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Talks to Si Hart about his choice of The Macra Terror (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster. Weber.
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  There are no such thing as hamsters.
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  Hamsters, do not exist. Where are your hamster's said,
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  crawling all over me. I'll beg your pardon about your
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  personal life. Well, here we are.
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  Joe for part three of the mat critera.
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  We promised critical, but it more this time.
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  Yes. Now for the sake of our
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  listeners, can I ask you to do something that you Your guests
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  to and tell us what's been going on so far.
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  I've been paying attention. I've been to her okay.
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  So the doctor and Company have landed on the unnamed Colony.
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  I don't know why it son named but it is where there are
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  Sinister things occurring on the outside.
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  It looks like a happy and gay Holiday Camp.
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  We've all been to a few allows. We're going to a convention
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  soon, very gay and what is actually occurring is hypnosis
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  Brain. What you call it mind-bending
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  brainwashing? That's it.
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  I'm washing. All right, bending I'm
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  one-track. Mind brainwashing.
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  Yeah. Sleep hypnosis, and a Sinister
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  controller appearing on the screen, basically, sending, what
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  to do, happy happy-go-lucky jungles in the are instructing
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  people to work. What I think might actually be
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  occurring is a bog-standard doctor, who story About tapping
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  gasps. There's feeding a bunch of giant
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  craps but we haven't got there yet so far it's all been very
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  interesting and very Sinister. Yeah, I think it's good to get a
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  bit more generic this week. I think you could be right, I
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  bit more by the Numbers. Yes.
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  Oh you've never done a thing for us hard.
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  And now I is this it. Yeah, do it.
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  No one else you to do that? No, no.
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  I really struggled because I've been too busy, just flow.
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  I'm with your to it shit robbery hamster.
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  Otherwise! Okay well yeah, but we're going
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  to episode free and see that. Let's do it.
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  Now we have promised to talk a bit more about the action this
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  time. Yes.
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  Let's see if we manage to keep to that or at least until Fraser
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  asks, a question that will throw us off in a completely different
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  tangent. Never know that could be Story
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  related, but his first question was about missing stories, nice,
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  that animation But the Crew. That's right.
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  The Second Story was about this in stories.
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  Yes. Well, let's see.
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  Well, I don't know where he's gonna go next.
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  I shall count us in. Okay.
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  Four, three, two, one off we go blood-red.
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  They've made some. Yeah, it's an interesting
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  choice. I think it works because with
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  this is the first story with these titles as well.
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  So for years, there was always the big joke that because no one
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  quite knew that the new titles debuted on the faceless ones
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  where they got a face in the titles for the first time
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  Patera. How do we know it was the macro
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  Terry? No it was the macro Terror from
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  the Telly snaps and from the 8 mm film footage as well because
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  someone actually videoed the first time Or films the first
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  time that those titles came on. So, We could do, you know, we
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  said, we've got to talk comment more on the action.
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  Well, yes, Ian Levine style college.
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  And here we have the pilot. Now you can see he's wearing a
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  narrow trouser male pleasure from was a big fan of the narrow
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  trouser. He's looking a little bit
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  perturbed. I can see that in his
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  performance there. He's looking at, he's got really
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  has his. He's got lovely hair, hasn't he?
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  I think that the choice of a, an orange color for the gray
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  shirts, was very interesting. Now, the The actor there, whose
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  face was on the screen playing the controller and I believe he
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  had too much work outside of this, but I'm sure he was very
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  pleased to be in Doctor Who. Well, who wouldn't be Michael
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  craze there. We went to some conventions
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  together. Yes.
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  Yes, he was. He was a very nice man.
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  Very nice man. Didn't quite have the career
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  that he was hoping for but, you know, not, everyone can be a
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  fabulous comedian out in the states like me.
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  Praise the high inside, we work together easily, get close it
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  yet. We're not going to be able to
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  keep this guy. Joe, those jolivet countries are
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  amazing. Okay, so they're now in the
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  danger gang. Yes.
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  What the hell is that all about? Well, I mean fancy a colony
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  that's very happy having a danger gang.
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  The dog goes what an extremely remarkable Place doctor you've
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  been to quite a few, you know, gas.
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  Refineries in your time and he'll be going to some more.
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  Yeah but in this Ethan grunts. Okay.
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  Who's this fella? That's oh.
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  Who is that? That Cuesta.
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  I've could be Cuesta. Yes, nothing will ever be quite
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  like that. All right.
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  Well, maybe not quite enough. Okay.
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  What about you said you wanted to talk about Peter Jeffrey?
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  Yes, because I, I figure, he's a brilliant actor.
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  He's one of those actors who turns up in every show in this
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  era and he was, I've been quite a big coup for Doctor Who at the
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  time he was well-known actor. Good character actor, very good
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  at playing villains in The Avengers.
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  For instance move, isn't it? He's yes, he's smooth and Urbane
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  and and glorious. I think he's in the three
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  episodes. You know, isn't a couple yes.
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  And what I like is that his he comes back to Doctor Who 10
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  years, 11 years later for Android satara and his
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  performance is really different. Yes, in that.
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  So he obviously is someone who's just really good at reading.
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  The script knowing exactly how to Inhabit, the character and
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  play them next time sigh. I shall not be so lenient.
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  Yes. Imagine if the controller had
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  got out with also in the parties the pilot is that a so think
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  like Grendel is like an actor's dream role.
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  Yes, where you get to be obeying, and charming, and
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  witty, and Sinister and all of those things, you know, and
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  madly over the top as well. Yes, the pilot is a good role
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  and it's a bit like the enough from Vengeance and varas.
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  Yes, you're kind of like you're in charge of this thing and you
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  kind of know what's going on, but it's a little bit out of
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  your control, but you can play that interesting.
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  I don't think it's written particularly, interesting know,
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  I think Pete's Jeffrey gets as much out of the role as he
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  possibly can. And again, it'd be interesting
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  to actually see him in action because he's he's another actor,
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  who's always doing something. Interesting, is this.
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  The role where he tells the story that he wasn't that Keen
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  on doing it, but his son would never have forgiven him, but he
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  started basically answered the phone and said, yeah, he's
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  convinced, he'll do Doctor Who Marvel story, where trout and is
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  niggling at been. I'm trying to get him to feel
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  guilty about turning on his friends.
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  Yeah, that's okay. That's one of those.
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  Delightful trout and seems that he gets every so often like
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  that. Do you suffer from headaches?
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  Oh yeah. If we have solicitor gray in the
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  Highlanders and the see in the story before where he's trying
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  to get a reaction out of Zaroff to prove that he's mad and
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  things like that, he's traveling is so good at those, those kind
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  of moments. I mean, sorry the fact that he
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  just said that the danger can gonna have any any choice.
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  They've got a go into these dangerous areas.
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  Areas where we tell them or not. So, the very fact that they've
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  got this punishment Squad called the danger gang shows that this
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  happy-go-lucky Colony ain't really working, is it?
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  Yeah, it's for anyone who doesn't obey the rules and
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  doesn't get into the spirit of things.
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  It's in, it's very much like the happiness Patrol in that, that
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  way that everything is Happy on the outside.
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  But the moment, you step out of what's expected of You by the
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  rules of the colony you're out. And you'll hidden away.
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  I really like the effect of that green gas because it just adds
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  animation to the scene. Yes, you are wise, wouldn't have
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  there's some scenes in episode 1 where me docks running and dust
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  is like being kicked up from the floor and that's what I mean.
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  When I say they're getting the animation a bit better, in that
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  there's kind of enough movement going on on the screen to keep
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  you interested all the time when I was watching.
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  Actually, the Daleks, the first version it was very static.
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  Yes. Because you could go.
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  Yeah, you can go sort of anyway. I think of the reign of terror
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  episodes where it's cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut and
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  you've got a headache. Fucking Tarantino movie.
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  Yeah, so far because they're trying to put artificial
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  movement into scenes where there wouldn't be movement.
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  All this was that saying I was talking about earlier.
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  Yes we're trout. This figure it out the entire
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  gas supply of the colony. And he goes.
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  He puts 10 I'd say and I went. Yeah.
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  And then scrub the outputs 11 out of 10.
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  That's the exact formula. Oh, okay.
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  So great. But he's so there's a bit where
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  he throws the water over it and it is there's a something about
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  this formula is gone and equals to 3 to 6 and it Kaboom this is.
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  What is it some exciting as dribbled into something else you
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  know when the water go down the pain but you know what the
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  difference is here is that in the heart Landers when he was
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  doing comic scenes there's sort of like a mannequin nervous
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  energy about it all he's so relaxed here you know like it's
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  like he's found his feet so he can just play these that he
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  knows how to play these seams now.
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  Yeah, we and it leaves after stuff like you.
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  Remember in the ice for years when he first hits the base and
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  he just walks in and he figures out the whole thing just walking
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  through one circuit. Yes room and then it's like this
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  is the solution that you need is great.
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  And yeah, and then sort of his his cleverness sort of leads in
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  onto the teaching machines in the protons.
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  And then he gets it wrong and then then eventually gets it,
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  right? So that he Gets a better school
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  than Zoe but it's just that he's slightly bumbling, but he's
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  incredibly clever. You know what?
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  I think, I love this place, but in my mind where she goes and
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  that's how his face changed, you've got it all wrong and it's
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  like, oh I was rushed was working in square.
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  Root sir, can I have that again please?
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  I think that's what they remembered back in classic.
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  Who is that he can actually be a bit rubbish, which they don't.
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  Really remember in the new series.
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  No. And this is because of like
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  yeah, the bill Wendell is. Yeah, because the doctor is of
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  God's now and he's so powerful that he never gets anything
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  wrong. The most important person in the
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  entire universe or whatever he is whereas I preferred him as a
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  talented eccentric amateur. Yeah, I mean it really is like a
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  tramp ish genius, isn't he? Yes, Alan.
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  He goes friendly water. But he's catch all the action
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  Now isn't he for quite a bit like?
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  Yeah, he's very much Sidelines. He's in this control room for
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  quite a while and there's I remembered towards the end of
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  episode three. There's lots of long sequences
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  of Jamie going along, mine shafts, and yes, being Menace
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  and I thought, that's where I feel like, okay, there is
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  drawbacks kind of weave, ditched all the Mind Control bit.
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  Now really? And we're just would balk
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  standard corridors and monsters. Yeah.
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  And Escape. Oops, and captures and all of
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  that, that doesn't have to be bad because it could have been
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  really quite stylish he directed for all we know.
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  Hmm. Well yeah, John Davis.
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  Who's the director for this one? He he was brought in by in as
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  Lloyd's to say who it was given that thing.
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  Say you've got to get the scares in this one.
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  This one will be a scary story and then he got wrapped on the
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  knuckles at the end of it for making it a really scary story
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  goodness. So, He said, I did what?
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  I was asked to basically so. Well I can really do a lot for
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  has like season 5 is the the season.
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  That's kind of remembered as being the scary season.
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  Isn't it few? Yes.
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  But actually I think the Daleks coming out into the colony in
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  episode 6 of power of the Daleks that Cliffhanger to episode 2 of
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  the moon base. Where the side man's on the
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  bench? Yeah, the Cybermen walking
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  across the moon. When you see the complete really
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  good, ice is It's really scary to, yeah.
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  Yeah, they knew how to get it, right?
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  So yeah, JB goes off now, right? And then just leaves poly.
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  He literally shuts the door on her in a second.
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  Yeah, that's old, Isn't it? Your whole regular cast up.
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  So you've got four people in four different places, what?
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  They don't people don't really complain about the poly better.
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  Jamie like there, Bo aliens. Do they know they don't complain
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  about the fact that Jamie is kept to sleep for most of the
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  moon base. So they don't have to run him in
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  the Phantom fight back. Boo.
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  No, not go with you. Can you see phrase and Heinz
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  kind of, I think this is where he gets across one Jamie as
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  well. This story is yet because I
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  think it's the first might be the first one that he's actually
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  written into properly, which I think helps, and maybe sort of
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  having those few episodes. He's got his confidence.
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  I mean, I don't think he was ever not confident, but he's
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  got, he's worked out. Jamie's sort of proper accent.
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  So it sort of changed subtly for in the Highlanders.
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  And and he's worked out that he's basically the doctors best
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  friend and he'd do anything for the doctor.
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  Like Elizabeth sladen says he gets a fabulous.
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  Seen an episode forward us the Highland fling.
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  Yeah that's why only great. Yes.
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  And that's the first time where I'm saying that like super
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  Charming Fraser Hines so yeah and then then the following
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  story he's the de facto companion.
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  So Ben Polly are written out in part 2.
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  Yeah. And from there onwards it's the
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  troughton and hind show. And whether she stayed or not, I
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  still think he had great chemistry with Sam Briggs.
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  Yes. Well I think actually he has
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  great chemistry with Oliver with more with with Greater Heights
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  has great chemistry with every woman he ever met.
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  I'm telling you now. Yes, I think that's just
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  Frazier. Hi miss it.
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  Oh okay. So I've got a I've got a
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  question from Fraser here. Okay episode and it's on a
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  topic, you do love, talking about rides.
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  Dudley Simpson. Once again, Dudley Simpsons
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  score, elevates this story and adds a great deal to it.
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  Where would you rank this with his other work?
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  That this is an interesting one because he gets he doesn't write
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  a lot of incidental music, a lot of the music.
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  He's writing it as for the jingles and things like that.
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  So is actual the actual incidental music is a bit.
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  Almost one that says one of his early electronic scores it is
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  electronic is like there's no. So there's any because they're
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  using the sort of traditional instruments for the jingles, so
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  I think he's getting that contrast between the two so I I
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  don't know. I I don't think this is, I think
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  the not I think the jingles are Ali great.
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  But the rest of the music is a bit Nanette and and is literally
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  that it's yet. So it's always quite basic only
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  because you know, those Star Trek style like Dramatics
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  things, duh of those on there. Yeah, but at least back in six
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  weeks time for evil of the Daleks, which I think is
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  genuinely one of his all-time best scores.
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  It's just Absolutely that I'd done done, Donna.
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  Dot dot, dot dot dot. That's really!
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  I really love the music when Jamie and Kamala having their
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  fights. Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's beautiful.
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  Yeah. That and that is One of the one
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  of the best schools of the 60s without a doubt.
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  But you know, it does show his versatility as well and that
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  this might be a bit clunky, but I think I think every time he
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  does electronic music right series a the music.
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  Some is a bit clunky, isn't it? Mmm, because he's hampered by
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  the technology. That's the thing sigh.
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  I can only imagine how dreary these Saints.
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  Look with that Matt crop in this but on an animation it looks
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  amazing. Only because they can animate a
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  crab easily. I suppose the the suspense he
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  comes, doesn't it when they start pumping the gas in, he
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  then starts choking and the macro is getting stronger.
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  Yes, I mean the whole point is that they're supposed to be
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  physically threatening because they're enormous fucking crabs.
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  What exactly enormous fucking intelligent crab.
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  Actually, though I did have a question for you, you know?
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  Okay well to was this Colony created and then the macro came
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  along and went well they're just happens.
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  To be all this gas here. So we're going to we're going to
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  take over this Colony, or this was the macra there first and
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  then somehow the colony was built around them.
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  That's a really good question and it's never explained.
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  How would you like one? It's just accepted that the
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  macro or they're always wondered whether it was the macro or sort
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  of a natural creature in there but the gas made them
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  intelligent and then they took over the colony once the color
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  but that's all supposition. I have no idea because it's
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  never, it's never said, they're just, they're in fact, they
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  could have done something quite interesting with the gas that
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  will that maybe is the gas that allows them to control.
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  People's brains. Yeah, I do wonder if that's sort
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  of the, it that's sort of the implication of the story but
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  it's never never quite said outright because this colony of
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  before, this was a doctor who story, you know, we said like
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  the best locations is yes, believe it is a location that
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  existed before and after the story, well, as I feel like this
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  location exists for this story. Yes.
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  How did this Colony stumble on being like Like a Holiday Camp,
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  yes. How how did they get there?
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  I mean, it's the few days that come from the macra controlling
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  them, and making them like that, or is it something that they
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  done already that they were going to run like this?
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  It's lots and lots of questions. When I feel like maybe it's like
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  a strobe lights going to say, well, what about a holiday can
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  wear their first? A Holiday Camp?
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  Yeah. And is being run by giant crabs
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  know like yeah, right? Mmm, I don't like it.
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  I don't got make sense. Just right here.
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  Make it scary. Did you Harry?
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  Thank you very much for your brother.
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  Yeah. But then I started sometimes I
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  feel like you know if you like pick up the rock of a doctor who
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  story and look underneath sometimes it is a little bear
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  you know like this this ain't the only story that you could
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  level this accusation. Oh but compared to the Colony
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  that we've had a few stories back in power of the Daleks that
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  fill really does feel like I'm real place.
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  Where is this? But there, I feel like you had
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  better. Characterize individuals, you
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  had different groups. There was like, political things
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  going on. Yes.
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  But here, there's none of that. You see families and shoot when
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  the cylons are attacking. There's a woman holding a baby.
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  Yeah, you know, you see that the structure of government as well
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  power struggles. It's, it's it's David whisker so
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  it's yes a lot of depth to it. Where is?
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  Yeah, as you said Institute, black wants to tell a story
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  about a Sinister Colony. That's like a Holiday Camp.
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  That's kind of subversive. Probably anti-communists anti
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  brainwashing. It's all those things in the
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  he's just thrown them in the pot, mix them up and some giant
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  crabs and off you go because I feel like he would be
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  characterized differently, but you could probably put the first
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  Doctor Steven and do do in this story.
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  Yeah. Yes, quite easily like the bare
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  bones of the story and it could still play out.
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  Dodo, could be down in the danger gang.
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  Steven could be doing what Jamie is doing right now.
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  Yep. Exactly.
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  Off-road. The some filter and mail in in
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  season, 24, usually that would be amazing and much after
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  they've just been to a Sinister 50s, Holiday Camp.
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  Docks are wearing another Holiday Camp.
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  I do also think as well, I'm going to contradict what I just
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  said there. Right the regulars enliven.
• 23:30
  This considerably. Yeah, they give it a lot as
• 23:35
  yeah. Anakin Wills laughing.
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  Always does a lot with not a lot.
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  Are you see what I mean? She's always giving a really
• 23:45
  thoughtful, interesting performance.
• 23:47
  We Elisabeth sladen effect will call it.
• 23:49
  Yes, I've been she's lovely and she's an absolutely beautiful
• 23:54
  woman as well. Really.
• 23:57
  Really, really is. And we don't always get that in
• 24:01
  the animation. But yeah, that's what she said
• 24:05
  and I quote from the birthday party.
• 24:06
  Can't you get it? It right.
• 24:09
  I'm very fussy about this little critter.
• 24:11
  I played one day and did this. They did they couldn't get it
• 24:14
  right. But she did a tweet to the other
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  day with one of these pictures that someone had recolored and
• 24:23
  secure and said, well she said that dress was actually bright
• 24:27
  fuchsia. They got that completely wrong.
• 24:33
  Okay, me. Who does these things Jamie's?
• 24:35
  Having terrible trouble down this mine and he is, let's table
• 24:39
  this gasps. Oh man, what a cliffhanger is
• 24:42
  this episode. It must be coming up shortly.
• 24:47
  Some I suspect is probably a macro coming to get Jaime in the
• 24:50
  gas. Well, that's a no new look for
• 24:53
  this thing. Oh, who default it?
• 24:57
  But I don't know. Like, we can tweak as an
• 25:00
  individual episode with lots of scenes of sinister, scuttling
• 25:04
  crabs coming out of the dark and attacking Our Heroes.
• 25:07
  Like this would pass 25 minutes, very amiably on a sad.
• 25:10
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 25:12
  And what? This area, It is good at is
• 25:14
  monsters, coming at you from the dark, you just had it very much
• 25:18
  in the moon base, with lots of Cybermen and glimpses of
• 25:21
  Cybermen in dark spaces and things like that.
• 25:26
  So it's about the scares. It's about Keeping the kids on
• 25:31
  the edge of their seats for 25 minutes.
• 25:35
  But I will admit, this is the sort of this is the point where
• 25:38
  I start going, okay, is this nearly over?
• 25:40
  You know, he was in the early stages.
• 25:43
  I'm like this is an exciting like yes, these are some
• 25:46
  interesting ideas. But there's only so much more
• 25:51
  knowledge. You can get out joint crabs.
• 25:55
  What it's like think of something like the green death,
• 25:58
  which has the giant maggots in it.
• 26:00
  Yes. But then like they put in the
• 26:02
  Joe Cliff romance, Joe, leaving the doctor, you need the
• 26:06
  pollution, you start the pollution, you know, they don't
• 26:09
  just rely on the maggots. Yes.
• 26:12
  Oh yeah, this is very much a quite a straightforward for
• 26:16
  part. A even for this era.
• 26:18
  I would say so yeah, I would say so but you never know.
• 26:23
  Something Revelation 3 may occur.
• 26:25
  In episode 4, the changes entirely possible.
• 26:29
  Should we find out? That's a very good idea.