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Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, November 17 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Sullimsell, John O'shans
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Speaker 1: and Brian Sexton. Jacks Drive Time, and it starts right now.
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Speaker 1: Welcome in Jaguars Drive Time. It is Wednesday morning, the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars getting ready for a home game here this Sunday
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Speaker 1: against the San Francisco forty Niners. Back on the practice
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Speaker 1: field to day, getting ready for that and some news
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Speaker 1: this morning. As the Jaguars have designated for return Brandon
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Speaker 1: Linder and James O'Shaughnessy, they can be eligible for practice.
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Speaker 1: They have twenty one days to be elevated to the
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Speaker 1: active roster and Brandon Lennard back on the offensive line
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Speaker 1: is a big deal. Yeah. I mean, neither one of
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Speaker 1: them brings to speed that we've been talking about as
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Speaker 1: being the missing part. But it's pretty fast for a second.
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Speaker 1: It will make them quit. It will lead into big
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Speaker 1: thing one that we're gonna talk about here. It will
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Speaker 1: make them better at the things that they do well.
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Speaker 1: So and good and and I've always thought that James
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Speaker 1: O'Shaughnessy was a guy that you want a guy like
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Speaker 1: that on your roster. He's not a one um, he
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Speaker 1: could play two, but he's a three, you know, but
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Speaker 1: he can move the chains. You go back to the
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Speaker 1: playoff game in Pittsburgh, he had a couple of big
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Speaker 1: third down catches. He is good at being that guy.
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Speaker 1: So if you can get him back on the field,
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Speaker 1: it would be good for the Jaguars. Well, shawness he's
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Speaker 1: got a chance, I think with Dan Arnold being here
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Speaker 1: when they want to go to receiving tight ends. Uh,
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Speaker 1: he's got a chance to make an impact if you
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Speaker 1: package what if Shaughnessy has done, if you extract played out,
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Speaker 1: extract play to math works, it's if you um take
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Speaker 1: that his best five games that he's had here and
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Speaker 1: put him over sixteen and then package them with Arnold
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Speaker 1: his pace. It's a decent little uh tight end course.
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Speaker 1: So let's see how he does. You know, good kid,
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Speaker 1: Let's hope he does well. Those two guys are good players.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately they both have had the injury bug through the
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Speaker 1: course of their career, unable to stay healthy long enough
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Speaker 1: to build the lender has Oanessy would just be getting
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Speaker 1: things going right. He was a couple of years ago
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Speaker 1: and then towards the a c L in Carolina. So
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Speaker 1: hopefully he can stay healthy the rest of the year
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Speaker 1: and helpless football team. Yeah, and a lot of times
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Speaker 1: I feel like with O'Shaughnessy, it's been asked for him
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Speaker 1: to be the two, maybe even the one at times
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Speaker 1: tight end, and that's not his role because there's just
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Speaker 1: been no one else to help him. Kind of an
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Speaker 1: unfair ask at times, they're better at the position, like
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Speaker 1: John said, so now let's see how he can take
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Speaker 1: them and push them forward. Totally. They're better with both
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Speaker 1: of these guys on the field. Yes. Absolutely. Let's get
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Speaker 1: into Big thing one, which is one step at a time,
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Speaker 1: A really big task this week for the Jaguars offense
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Speaker 1: that is only scoring thirty three points in the past
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Speaker 1: three games. The forty niners defense coming off a game
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Speaker 1: where they held the Rams to a season low ten points.
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Speaker 1: This offense needs to improve. It won't look dramatically different overnight,
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Speaker 1: but they can play better and they have to play
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Speaker 1: better this week. Big thing too, pass the hot sauce.
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Speaker 1: This is Brian's new thing. The Jaguars defense is spicy,
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Speaker 1: a whole new level of confidence to them. This is
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Speaker 1: more upside discover with this unit. You look at someone
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Speaker 1: like Tyson Campbell, you look at more takeaways, unexpected players
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Speaker 1: showing up like Taven Bryan. This is helping kill the
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Speaker 1: taste of a very bland offense right now, See Big
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Speaker 1: Thing while we just talked about the defense is giving
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Speaker 1: this offense a chance to succeed. And finally, Big Thing
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Speaker 1: three is the Shanahan Special. Forty Niners head coach Kyle
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Speaker 1: Shanahan is known for taking personnel groups and making mismatches
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Speaker 1: with them. This is a team playing better than their
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Speaker 1: four winds show, and Shanahan is having a good time
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Speaker 1: this week. I'm sure looking at the Jaguars film and saying,
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Speaker 1: all right, there's a hole there and I'm gonna work
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Speaker 1: to exploit it. Alright, So can we go back to
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Speaker 1: the top. Yeah, because what I really wrote and you
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Speaker 1: change I totally understand is you know the old added
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Speaker 1: adverb or not adverb proverb about how do you eat
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Speaker 1: an elephant? Right? One biday at a time? Right? Have
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Speaker 1: you heard this, John? Yeah, he's vaguely right. It seems
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Speaker 1: lie a massive task to change the trajectory, which is
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Speaker 1: another math word um of this offense. Right, you look
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Speaker 1: at it. You said there was no speed. They're not
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Speaker 1: going to add speed, So how do they get fast. Well,
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Speaker 1: look you, this offense can't focus on what it can't do.
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Speaker 1: It has to focus on what it can do. They
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Speaker 1: have to be better in the running game. If Linder
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Speaker 1: comes back, he'll help them be better. They have to
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Speaker 1: be able to move the chains and stay on the field.
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Speaker 1: Oh Shaughnessy's a guy who can help them do that.
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Speaker 1: They have to focus on what they can do and
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Speaker 1: try to do it well. Kind of like the old Packers,
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Speaker 1: right They used to almost point and go, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: run it right here, and we're gonna do it on too,
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Speaker 1: But you couldn't stop them because they were so efficient
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Speaker 1: at running what they did. This team has to do
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Speaker 1: what it does well over the next eight weeks in
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Speaker 1: order to put points on the board. It makes me
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Speaker 1: a little nervous when you're referencing the sixty Packers in
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Speaker 1: the in the twenty NFL. But I get your point. Uh,
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Speaker 1: this is an offense right now that you don't feel like,
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden're gonna start scoring twenty eight points.
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Speaker 1: I've been saying it for a couple of weeks. Uh.
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Speaker 1: What I worried would happen last week is coming to
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Speaker 1: fruition which is the compression of the offense is causing
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Speaker 1: the fan base to lose their minds over Trevor, which
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Speaker 1: is way premature overall for this game. Uh, I think
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Speaker 1: what we're gonna say the rest of the season about
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Speaker 1: every Jaguars game is, boy, this is a tough matchup
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Speaker 1: because they're all gonna feel tough when you're not scoring points.
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Speaker 1: Um the key I think in every game. And we
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Speaker 1: could probably take this segment and just move on and
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Speaker 1: just start replayed every week. Can the Jaguars defense play
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Speaker 1: well enough against a decent offense to keep the team
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Speaker 1: in the game and win late. That's what they were
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Speaker 1: going to try to do last week. It's what they've
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Speaker 1: It's what they've done in their two wins. It's been
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Speaker 1: decided in the last two minutes. It's what the Jaguars are.
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Speaker 1: I think it's what I think the defense is playing
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Speaker 1: well enough though this week to have this be that
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Speaker 1: game too. So here's the deal with um the Shanahan special, right,
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Speaker 1: I was kind of going with the food theme right
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Speaker 1: past the hot So loss for the elephant and get um.
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Speaker 1: Tom Coffin always used to say when he was getting
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Speaker 1: ready for the Denver Broncos when Mike Shanahan was there
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Speaker 1: as the head coach, and pick that up. And I
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people know that. Maybe not, but
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Speaker 1: the Shanahan system that Gary Kubiak took to Houston that
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Speaker 1: a lot of people saw. They get you to declare
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Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. You're gonna keep your nickel out,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna keep your dime out, and then they have
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Speaker 1: a way of creating mismatches and running different plays from
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Speaker 1: formations that you've identified. They break their tendencies. They're very,
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Speaker 1: very good at that. And what Tom always used to
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Speaker 1: say was the best way to beat that system is
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Speaker 1: to know exactly what every person who's out there does.
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Speaker 1: Forget where they're coming from, but you've got to know
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Speaker 1: what the running back does, what the tight end does,
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Speaker 1: what routes the receiver's run. You have to be dialed
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Speaker 1: in against Kyle Shanahan. If you recall in seen a
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Speaker 1: very good Jaguars defense was turned inside out on Christmas
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Speaker 1: Eve in San Francisco because they couldn't solve it and
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo had just gotten there. Remember they started oh
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Speaker 1: and eight that year and Garoppolo just gotten into the
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Speaker 1: starting lineup and you thought, wow, this is not a
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Speaker 1: very good team. It's a quarterback figured out new way Man.
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Speaker 1: He turned the Jags inside out. You've got to know
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Speaker 1: who does what on that offense if you're going to
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Speaker 1: beat them, which means these guys have to have their
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Speaker 1: top mental game this week. And what they really do well,
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Speaker 1: they really run well in the tradition of again the
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Speaker 1: Shanahan offense, going back to the Broncos. Yeah, they get
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Speaker 1: you outside. They play they run outside zone, you know,
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Speaker 1: the technical and they they do that very well. And
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Speaker 1: then once they get that established, they do things off
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Speaker 1: of it. They do play action off of it. Um again,
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Speaker 1: I it just feels like functioning teams, which the San
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Speaker 1: Francisco for the Niners are are going to worry this
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Speaker 1: franchise right now because you wonder if this offense can
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Speaker 1: go match another team's offense. Right now, they're not doing that,
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Speaker 1: which means that the defense has to get takeaways. The
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Speaker 1: next step for this team is to get takeaways when
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Speaker 1: it matters, and this is a hard defense. Is a
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Speaker 1: hard offense to do that against if you're not stopping
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Speaker 1: their running. Again, well, without a doubt, but they have
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Speaker 1: fifteen turnovers this year, which is one more than the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars have, so there are opportunities to get them. But John,
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Speaker 1: you've got to stop the lot. Yeah. And before the
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Speaker 1: Monday night game against the forty Niners and the Rams,
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Speaker 1: you saw a forty Niners team with three wins and
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Speaker 1: you're kind of trying to figure out what's going on
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Speaker 1: with that team that's only one more win and the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars have you feel good? Then you watch that Monday
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Speaker 1: night game, you said, oh, this is a team on
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Speaker 1: the rise, divisional divisional matchup at home Monday night football.
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Speaker 1: But they do have mismatches. They do have guys like
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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel and George Kittle who create problems for you.
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Speaker 1: They've been very inconsistent and now that they have Kittle
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Speaker 1: back going the changes there. You know again this time
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Speaker 1: of the season, I'm a big believer in does a
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Speaker 1: team believe in itself? For owners are starting to believe
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Speaker 1: in itself. So that makes the dangerous absolutely, and that
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Speaker 1: dot Com. We're going across the table to Brian Sex. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is this interests me because this is all about
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Speaker 1: this season is all about identifying guys that are part
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Speaker 1: of your future. And I didn't think that I would
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Speaker 1: ever be putting Taven Brian and Cam Robertson together. But Briant,
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Speaker 1: they both played premium positions. Uh, they're both former draft
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Speaker 1: picks and at the end of this year they're both
10:15
Speaker 1: going to be free agents. Right, So the question is
10:18
Speaker 1: who would you rather keep an offensive tackle who's going
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Speaker 1: to cost you a lot of money next year? But
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Speaker 1: Cam Robinson is playing well, finally starting to play like
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Speaker 1: we thought that he would. Or Taven Brian, who, again,
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Speaker 1: for purposes of this conversation, I'm assuming that what we're
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Speaker 1: seeing is them finding a rule for him and asking
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Speaker 1: him to do something he does well. So at the
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Speaker 1: end of this year, would you you draft a walk
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Speaker 1: a little right? It frees up a lot of cap room.
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Speaker 1: You can keep Taven Brian, But if you have one
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Speaker 1: or the other, who do you keep well? As you
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Speaker 1: alluded to, and it's not fair if you can take
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Speaker 1: money out of the equation. I think you would keep
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Speaker 1: Cam Robinson because he's playing well at the more premium
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Speaker 1: positions without a doubt. Um, But I don't think you
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Speaker 1: can't take much. You can't take money. I think it
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Speaker 1: was part of the story. In that case, I would
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Speaker 1: still rather keep Cam because I'm just more and more
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Speaker 1: I'm becoming a big believer that if you've got a
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Speaker 1: guy playing well, you try to keep him and don't
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Speaker 1: assume that you're gonna be able to plug and play.
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Speaker 1: But tavens into and Taven unbelievably has turned into a
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Speaker 1: very interesting story. Can he continue to make an impact
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Speaker 1: in this in this uh scheme, in this role he's
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Speaker 1: playing because he's mattering right now and he hasn't mattered yet.
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Speaker 1: If I hadn't watched him turn Quentin Nelson inside out
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Speaker 1: a couple of times last week, I probably wouldn't even
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Speaker 1: put his name on there. That's yeah, but he did.
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Speaker 1: He did. And remember in training camp, Ashlyn, the head coach, said,
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Speaker 1: I want we want to have him here talking about
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Speaker 1: David Bryant. So clearly, John, they've identified something that he
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Speaker 1: can really do to help them. In the last couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks, he's really done it. Well. It's it's it's
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Speaker 1: interesting because there's never been any thought that he doesn't
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Speaker 1: have the physical tools to play. It's always been sort
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Speaker 1: of field awareness and you know, just I guess just
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Speaker 1: being a natural football player that when you watch him,
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Speaker 1: there's just things he's missed over the years. But if
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Speaker 1: you can find a role for that, it's hard to
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Speaker 1: find that combination of you know, uh or not combination,
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Speaker 1: but just that raw strength and athleticism, which I guess
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Speaker 1: there is a combination. Show. Yeah, Smooth set it in
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Speaker 1: his postgame interview I think two weeks ago, and he said,
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Speaker 1: when Taven just moves forward, he's unstoppable. And it's clear
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Speaker 1: that's the role. Just go Tavan, go this way and
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Speaker 1: wreck Havoc in front of you. He is huge and
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Speaker 1: freakishly strong, which is why they drafted it. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: that's a crazy to start that because three weeks ago,
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Speaker 1: we would have laughed at that. Brian, why did you
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Speaker 1: write that? But now you understand why? Yeah, you have
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Speaker 1: a little more appreciation for me. Yes, of course, you
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Speaker 1: know it mine is uh. And I almost apologize for
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Speaker 1: bringing this up because it's been such a thing. I
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Speaker 1: get asked about it all the time. I'm negative, Net,
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Speaker 1: I get it. But you know, do the draw regarding
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Speaker 1: the wide receivers. Do the drop passes hurt more? Or
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Speaker 1: do the lack of speed hurt more? And I think
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Speaker 1: it's interesting because they hurt in different ways. Uh. The
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Speaker 1: lack of speed is compressing the offense, and yet the
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Speaker 1: drop passes are what you desperately need to convert third downs,
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Speaker 1: to convert these big plays. I would still go with
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Speaker 1: the lack of speed hurting more. Uh, the lack of
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Speaker 1: plays down the field because I thought of this on Monday, Brian,
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Speaker 1: watching this team right now, watching the play offense, they
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Speaker 1: feel like they're in the red zone all the time,
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Speaker 1: meaning they're always playing he gets a compressed field. And
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Speaker 1: I was watching the Manning cast and Peyton talked on
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Speaker 1: that broadcast about something he talked about for years when
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Speaker 1: I covered him, how much more difficult the red zone
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Speaker 1: is in any of the area field to him, red
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Speaker 1: zone efficiency. When their red zone efficiency was up, he
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Speaker 1: thought that was when they were at their best offensively.
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Speaker 1: Right now, it feels like this team plays in the
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Speaker 1: red zone all the time because everything's bunched up, everything's
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Speaker 1: in that twenty yard field and it's brutally hard. So
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Speaker 1: I think that's what hurts the speed to me. I mean,
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Speaker 1: look again, it's why I kept banging the table, trade trade, trade, trade, trade,
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Speaker 1: get somebody. Remember I said that a hundred times, And
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Speaker 1: that's why I jumped in on the Odell Beckham stuff,
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Speaker 1: even though I knew they weren'ting to go ahead and
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Speaker 1: grab him. Because you can't teach speed you don't have it.
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Speaker 1: You can't work without it. The safeties are squatting twelve
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Speaker 1: yards up the field because they're not worried about getting
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Speaker 1: beat deep, which means they can send extra people to
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Speaker 1: stop the run, which takes away play action. And your
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Speaker 1: quarterback's got nothing, which is exactly how you play in
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Speaker 1: the red zone. They've got nothing. So I would say
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Speaker 1: speed because at least if you if you've got a
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Speaker 1: who's taking the top off, if you have d J.
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Speaker 1: Chark who is going down the field and the safety
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Speaker 1: has to honor that. It's going to open something up
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Speaker 1: for someone else, and your quarterback would have more opportunities,
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Speaker 1: more choices to get rid of the ball to a target.
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Speaker 1: Right now, it is the lack of speed in my estimation.
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Speaker 1: Totally agree, because lack of speed would at least create
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to catch the ball or drop the ball,
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Speaker 1: drop the pass, and we've seen five crucial drops last
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Speaker 1: week against the Colts. But the lack of speed is
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Speaker 1: obvious that it's not helping a rookie quarterback right now.
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Speaker 1: And that's why Twitter is going crazy about this guy.
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Speaker 1: Unfairly easy and not everything's going to be easy for
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Speaker 1: Ricky quarterback, but it's fair to ask for a few
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Speaker 1: things to be easy. Yeah, just a couple of favorites,
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Speaker 1: and right now nothing looks easy because nothing's open. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, so I get John Brown on the field now, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean again, he's thirty one years old. Is he
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Speaker 1: the same speedster we saw when he came out of
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh State for the Arizona Cardinals. Probably not, but someone's
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Speaker 1: gonna have to honor him. If he can run, you've
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Speaker 1: got to have speed on the field. Indeed, talking about
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Speaker 1: speed on the field, let's go to the forty niners
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Speaker 1: for this, this or that. George Kittle or Deebo Samuel.
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Speaker 1: Pick your poison. Which guy do you want to pay
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Speaker 1: more attention to this Sunday? If you're the defense deepo
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Speaker 1: Samuel making a case for Offensive Player of the Year
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Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty seven yards and seven touchdowns. George Kittle,
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Speaker 1: a mismatched nightmare, well respected for his blocking ability, and
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Speaker 1: absolutely pancaked Von Miller on Monday Night Football. What do
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Speaker 1: you think I'm focusing more attention on George Kittle? I
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Speaker 1: believe that the Jaguars have some matchups where they can
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Speaker 1: stay over the top of Deebo SAMUELI a terrific receiver.
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Speaker 1: He's gonna make plays, just like they did when Stefon
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Speaker 1: Diggs was here a couple of weeks ago. I think
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Speaker 1: they can manage that on the back end. But in
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Speaker 1: the middle they have been getting killed. And George Kittle
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Speaker 1: is such a matchup problem. He's fast, it's powerful. He
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Speaker 1: is a really talented guy. Fifth round, by the way,
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Speaker 1: fifth round, you can find these guys, right, You've got
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Speaker 1: to look, but you can find him. Um, I would say,
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Speaker 1: George Kittle is the guy I want to take a way. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I agree, Samuel to me, I see him having a
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Speaker 1: similar game as us now that I'm drawing a blank Pittman, Yeah, um,
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Speaker 1: with some crossing routes. Pittman heard him against the Colts,
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Speaker 1: but he didn't own the game. You know, tight ends
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Speaker 1: against this team have so owned the game so often
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Speaker 1: that a guy like Kidd really worries you, especially when
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Speaker 1: you're playing a team that could run as well as
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Speaker 1: forty nine, and they'll be paying attention to that, which
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Speaker 1: gives Kittle space to to operate underneath. So I would
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Speaker 1: worry more about Kittle considering the tight ends in the past. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you look at Shaquille Griffin, who now a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks now has shadowed that number one wide receiver,
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Speaker 1: and coach Meyer said it on Monday that he feels
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Speaker 1: like this past defense is improving. They're they're kind of
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Speaker 1: taken away the explosiveness of that number one guy. So
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Speaker 1: the familiarity there obviously in their time in the NFAC
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Speaker 1: West together. And you're gonna get in this league right now,
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Speaker 1: you're going to usually give up some yards to the
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Speaker 1: best receiver on the other he's gonna have some play.
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Speaker 1: That's why Pittman didn't really bother you that much. It
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Speaker 1: for ozone snapshot. Frienzy. Okay, we're going to Annapolis. Nick,
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Speaker 1: what do you got for us? Hey? John? Is there
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Speaker 1: enough evidence since the bye week to conclude the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: defense is actually pretty good? It's not really good? Well,
20:09
Speaker 1: it took me a lot of figure out. Is really
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Speaker 1: good better than pretty good? I guess it come out
20:16
Speaker 1: really good? Um? I think there, yes, there is evidence
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Speaker 1: to show that this defense is for real. It's gotten
20:25
Speaker 1: to the point. Um, And I'll throw this up to
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Speaker 1: you guys, Um, do you trust the defense now? After
20:35
Speaker 1: a really bad start in a lot of areas, and
20:38
Speaker 1: even after the Bills game, I was still Okay, let's
20:41
Speaker 1: see him do it one more time. After the Colts game,
20:44
Speaker 1: I trusted. So I would say there's evidence to suggest
20:48
Speaker 1: that they have a chance to be really good. They
20:50
Speaker 1: gotta do it every week in the league. Not every week.
20:52
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to play that well every week defensively.
20:55
Speaker 1: But over the course of the next eight games, if
20:58
Speaker 1: if six of them are like of Bills and the Colts,
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Speaker 1: would you say they're a pretty good defense. You'd like to.
21:05
Speaker 1: I think it's something now that you start thinking, maybe
21:09
Speaker 1: we can build around this and know what we have.
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Speaker 1: How big is that for this season? It's huge, And
21:14
Speaker 1: I think you can go back. You can go back
21:16
Speaker 1: to the Titans game where for three quarters right until
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Speaker 1: the pick six, for three quarters they were stuffing the run,
21:23
Speaker 1: they were playing well. They didn't have enough at that
21:26
Speaker 1: moment to be able to catapult at once things turn south.
21:29
Speaker 1: But then they made the key plays in the fourth quarter. Right.
21:32
Speaker 1: I think if you look at the way that they
21:34
Speaker 1: held the the Dolphins down and forced field goals and
21:38
Speaker 1: the Bills and the Colts and forced field goals in
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Speaker 1: situations where the game could have gotten out of hand, John.
21:43
Speaker 1: I think that's where you really look and see the progress.
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Speaker 1: Five field goals, one touchdown the last two weeks against
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Speaker 1: two teams. Now that we're scoring better than thirty four
21:51
Speaker 1: points a game over the last five games, that's impressive. Yes,
21:56
Speaker 1: I trust this defense. You can see a scenario now,
21:59
Speaker 1: and I hope this scenario happens where uh, sometime in
22:04
Speaker 1: the next six months will be Carton Josh Allen out
22:06
Speaker 1: for a mega deal and uh, I only say that
22:10
Speaker 1: to me. You didn't know what you were building around
22:13
Speaker 1: on this franchise before he started doing that. You knew
22:16
Speaker 1: about Trevor obviously, but now all of a sudden, you've
22:19
Speaker 1: got another core piece that I think fits into what
22:22
Speaker 1: we're talking about. I trust Josh Allen now to be great,
22:25
Speaker 1: and I think I trust the defense to be again.
22:28
Speaker 1: In the NFL, it's really hard to play where they've
22:31
Speaker 1: given up one meaningful touchdown over two games. That's hard
22:35
Speaker 1: to sustain. But you feel like you can start counting
22:38
Speaker 1: on that more and more each week. Unbelievable positive right now.
22:42
Speaker 1: Put it this way, the defense early on might have
22:45
Speaker 1: given up a touchdown to the Colts on that drive
22:47
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, which would have put the game
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Speaker 1: out of reach. They knew they couldn't. They held them
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Speaker 1: to a field goal and at least gave the offense
22:54
Speaker 1: a chance for the game winning touchdown an extra point
22:58
Speaker 1: they didn't convert, but they put the in the rule
23:00
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. And that's why I
23:02
Speaker 1: trust this defense. Yeah, all you're asking for is a chance,
23:04
Speaker 1: and I think you feel good about the progress they're making.
23:07
Speaker 1: The only thing, and I don't even want to say
23:08
Speaker 1: it worries me because I don't think it will happen
23:10
Speaker 1: as you go back to the Seattle game where they
23:12
Speaker 1: were improving. Before that game, you thought, Okay, they're going
23:15
Speaker 1: to be competitive this game, and then the disorganization came
23:17
Speaker 1: back and we still really haven't figured out why in
23:20
Speaker 1: that game did it come back. So as long as
23:22
Speaker 1: you don't see that again, you feel good about this unit.
23:25
Speaker 1: Very fair, all right, So let's go to Pittsburgh, Rob,
23:29
Speaker 1: What do you got for us? I always love how
23:31
Speaker 1: they say hello to you, Hey, Zone. At what point
23:35
Speaker 1: do you expect the Jags to play Jordan's and andre
23:38
Speaker 1: They are the future? Yeah they are, um, but I
23:43
Speaker 1: don't think they're the now and I get that there
23:46
Speaker 1: is a understandable grounds, well, we want to see andre Cisco. Um,
23:53
Speaker 1: he's I think he has more upside than Andrew Wingard.
23:58
Speaker 1: I think anybody would doubt that. But and Jordan Smith,
24:01
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll see much this year. Drafted as
24:04
Speaker 1: a project, he's a defensive end linebacker. People aren't familiar.
24:08
Speaker 1: He was drafted as a project. I don't see him
24:10
Speaker 1: breaking through in a line rotation that's playing really, really well.
24:14
Speaker 1: Maybe at the end to see him, but not when
24:16
Speaker 1: it matters. Um so I I guess the answer would be,
24:22
Speaker 1: at what point do you expect that Jay Wars to
24:23
Speaker 1: play him when somebody else in the defense isn't playing
24:26
Speaker 1: well enough for them to be in And right now
24:30
Speaker 1: you're playing the best defensive football that they've played since
24:32
Speaker 1: what mid two eighteen. I don't see him upset in
24:35
Speaker 1: the apple cart. That's another little saying. She um, much
24:39
Speaker 1: to my surprise, Andrew Wingers played pretty well. Um, he's
24:42
Speaker 1: not your long term solution, hence the draft choice for
24:45
Speaker 1: andre Cisco, but he's risen to the challenge of holding
24:48
Speaker 1: onto that starting job. And here are we nine games
24:52
Speaker 1: into this thing, and he's held onto the starting job.
24:55
Speaker 1: When Cisco beats him, he'll be on the field. Yeah.
24:58
Speaker 1: And we've been asking coach, well, what's going on, where's
25:00
Speaker 1: Andre Cisco? And they're saying he has a physical ability,
25:02
Speaker 1: but it's wing guard understanding the defense that much more
25:05
Speaker 1: that's winning him the job. I think Jordan Smith, from
25:07
Speaker 1: what I understand, also is a ways away. Was a
25:10
Speaker 1: ways away when training camp began, is still a ways away.
25:14
Speaker 1: Maybe next year you're finding a rule for him on
25:16
Speaker 1: third down. Yeah. And even when they draft them, they
25:18
Speaker 1: said it was a working project. I get stronger. Never
25:21
Speaker 1: upset the apple cart. No, never. Let's go to section
25:24
Speaker 1: four ten. Bobby, Hi, John, when do you think our
25:28
Speaker 1: offense will stop being so offensive? Good job? Bobby? Yeah,
25:33
Speaker 1: you know what the answered to that, Well, it's it's
25:37
Speaker 1: your thing. Help is not on the way during this season.
25:41
Speaker 1: I was asked in the ozone mail bag this week, UM,
25:45
Speaker 1: so you're saying it's going to be until the draft
25:47
Speaker 1: next year. I think it's gonna be this still free agency.
25:50
Speaker 1: I don't really see where you know, as I've said
25:53
Speaker 1: for three or four weeks on it, I think you
25:55
Speaker 1: will see marginal improvement. I think you will see games
25:58
Speaker 1: where you know, success for this offense to me feels
26:03
Speaker 1: like if you can get three drives of seventy plus yards,
26:08
Speaker 1: two touchdowns, a field goal and then maybe score off
26:12
Speaker 1: of a turnover somewhere and get to four points. That
26:16
Speaker 1: sort of feels like unless something weird happens, it's gonna
26:19
Speaker 1: be there. High. So I think you'll see that get
26:23
Speaker 1: better with James Robinson. I don't think you're all of
26:25
Speaker 1: a sudden going to see a dynamic offense, because I
26:28
Speaker 1: hope they do. But have you seen any evidence of it?
26:31
Speaker 1: Not yet? And eight games in you sort of know
26:33
Speaker 1: what they are. Not I'm sorry, nine games and you
26:35
Speaker 1: know what they are. Free agency and the draft. I mean,
26:37
Speaker 1: John d. J. Sharp's a free agent, right, you don't
26:41
Speaker 1: know where he is. They're probably not bringing him back,
26:43
Speaker 1: not paying him for sure. Travisy Tans coming off a
26:46
Speaker 1: serious injury for a player of his style, right, So
26:49
Speaker 1: you're going out, You're you're going to add two receivers
26:52
Speaker 1: in free agency and one in the draft early on.
26:54
Speaker 1: You know on day two, if not on Day one,
26:57
Speaker 1: you're gonna go overboard with speed. And I keep bringing it,
27:00
Speaker 1: bringing it and bringing it. Negative. Ned is gonna worry
27:03
Speaker 1: some Jaguars fans. It's hard at at wide receiver. It's
27:08
Speaker 1: not hard to find wide receivers, but it's hard to
27:10
Speaker 1: find what we're talking about in the volume that we're
27:13
Speaker 1: talking about because teams don't let it go. It's particularly
27:16
Speaker 1: hard to find it quickly when you if you want
27:18
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, there's certain positions you can go find
27:21
Speaker 1: Elite wide receivers not something If I have one, I
27:24
Speaker 1: don't want to give it up, so and then it's
27:28
Speaker 1: so it's hard to find them in free agency that
27:29
Speaker 1: are truly elite. It's hard to find them in the
27:32
Speaker 1: draft that are ready to come in and be big
27:34
Speaker 1: time immediately. Their exceptions to that. It's getting easier now,
27:39
Speaker 1: but I think it's gonna be a progress where they
27:41
Speaker 1: get a little better next year and then find their
27:43
Speaker 1: guys and develop them. For two years ago, people wondered
27:48
Speaker 1: what are the Bills doing when they send a first
27:50
Speaker 1: round picked to Stefon Dicks or to Minnesota for Stefon Dicks.
27:54
Speaker 1: I'd say that's worked out really, really well for them.
27:56
Speaker 1: They will have to turn over every rock and pick
27:58
Speaker 1: up the phone and call every team to find what
28:01
Speaker 1: they need. But you cannot because we know rookie wide
28:03
Speaker 1: receivers to um, you you cannot just say, well, we'll
28:07
Speaker 1: get one in the draft. You're gonna need more than
28:09
Speaker 1: just that. And I get to in the draft, I
28:11
Speaker 1: can see that being first three rounds if they like guys,
28:15
Speaker 1: because really, you're not to belabor the point, if you
28:18
Speaker 1: look at the rest of the team, um, everything else
28:23
Speaker 1: feels like it's at least serviceable linebacker, secondary. You need
28:29
Speaker 1: peace And I'm not saying it's it's built to use
28:31
Speaker 1: that word, but you you're functioning. It's wide receiver where
28:36
Speaker 1: you must get better. I had to say, but where
28:39
Speaker 1: would they be if instead of drafting Caleb and Chason
28:41
Speaker 1: two years ago, they had taken Richard Jefferson is Richard Jefferson.
28:45
Speaker 1: J jefferson him, Yeah, you need to Justin Jefferson's where
28:51
Speaker 1: would they be? They would have they would have a
28:52
Speaker 1: speed guy on the field right now who was killing
28:55
Speaker 1: it up in Minnesota, King McCardell, by the way, So yeah,
28:58
Speaker 1: things are good up there with Justin Jefferson Dot Jaguars.
29:01
Speaker 1: Two of those guys in the draft this year. Jefferson's father,
29:04
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