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Who will be the next Tigers to win major awards? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome in to an episode of Tiger Territory, part
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  Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory Network, Detroit Tigers Podcast. I am
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  Speaker 1: Kieran Stakely. With me, as always, is a man who
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  Speaker 1: is kind of a walking cliché right now, going down
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  Speaker 1: to Florida as winter approaches. He's Cody Stavenhagen. How are
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  Speaker 1: we doing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, doing all right. I think there's nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 2: that cliché. If I could afford to do that every winter,
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  Speaker 2: I would. But no, I'm here in Tampa, helping out
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  Speaker 2: with some World Series stuff. coverage so obviously a fun
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  Speaker 2: time of year for the for at least the the
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  Speaker 2: two teams are still playing and and people who are
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  Speaker 2: fan fan of the game this is a cool world
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  Speaker 2: series as we've kind of talked.
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  Speaker 1: About before yeah and you know what one of the
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  Speaker 1: beauties i think of the game of baseball and and
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  Speaker 1: you have like you have fans that have certain attachments
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  Speaker 1: to like the same guys for like completely different reasons
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  Speaker 1: right and so uh one of the stories of you
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  Speaker 1: you get all of his stories, not just the Tigers stuff,
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers page. So a little plug for Cody's work there.
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  Speaker 1: And one of them was about a former Tigers star.
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  Speaker 1: And I emphasize star in Harvey Keene because he was
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  Speaker 1: a star. And because he wasn't on the 68 World
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  Speaker 1: Series team, he kind of gets like, lost into a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of the shuffle of Tigers history, but somebody
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  Speaker 1: who really ought to be remembered for being a damn
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  Speaker 1: good baseball player for the Tigers and then to pivot
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  Speaker 1: to the World Series, like someone who was a hero
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  Speaker 1: in Milwaukee for managing them when they went to the
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  Speaker 1: World Series in 1982. And you wrote a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about his legacy, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And that's a great point, Kieran. Harvey Keene is...
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I started covering the Tigers, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I made a point to better get to know
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  Speaker 2: their history beyond just Ty Cobb and Al Kaline and
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  Speaker 2: have a deeper understanding. And I think Harvey Keene, you know,
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  Speaker 2: someone you kind of know, you hear about, oh, this
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  Speaker 2: guy had a couple good years or whatever. I think
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even fully understand or I should say appreciate
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  Speaker 2: how good of a player he was maybe until this
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  Speaker 2: year because Kevin McGonigal kept breaking all his rookie records.
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  Speaker 2: So oddly enough, Harvey Keene's name was in the game
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  Speaker 2: notes a lot and kind of in my brain a
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  Speaker 2: lot this year. And then sure enough, the Brewers get
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  Speaker 2: to the world series. They'd only been to one other
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  Speaker 2: Harvey Keene was, was the manager of that team. And again,
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  Speaker 2: like I knew that I like kind of knew the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he had a prosthetic leg thing, but it's
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  Speaker 2: especially on another team. That's one of those things you
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  Speaker 2: kind of forget. And so I just started doing some research.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what? No, this guy is freaking fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: He really shouldn't have been alive. Even in 1982, he
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  Speaker 2: had survived a kidney infection and a stomach surgery. And
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  Speaker 2: what really was not in good health. He is Al
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  Speaker 2: Kaline once said quite matter of factly, he was known
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  Speaker 2: to abuse his body. So Harvey Keene was raised in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 2: It was an old school type of guy, had a
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  Speaker 2: great Tigers career played for a few other teams as
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  Speaker 2: part of the Rocky Calvito trade, which was obviously a
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  Speaker 2: huge moment in both Tigers and Cleveland baseball history. Um,
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  Speaker 2: but it turns out his, he, he now has a
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  Speaker 2: foundation that's run by his son and several others, and
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  Speaker 2: they actually help, uh, children in need get, get prostheses,
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  Speaker 2: prosthetic limbs. And that's something I had no idea about.
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  Speaker 2: And I thought, oh my gosh, that's, that sounds to
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  Speaker 2: me like a story. Um, because, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 2: the one-legged manager and his prosthesis, uh, legend is hangs
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  Speaker 2: in a Milwaukee bar. There's a leg there. No one
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  Speaker 2: really knows how it got there or whatever. And so
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of this funny thing, right? It's trivial, and
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  Speaker 2: here's this guy. He lived in a bar that he
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  Speaker 2: co-owned with his wife, himself, and just a character, right?
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  Speaker 2: But his legacy has actually helped families and children since
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  Speaker 2: this foundation started steering its funds that way. So I
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  Speaker 2: talked with Harvey King Jr., who was a longtime brewer scout,
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  Speaker 2: and talked to the family that's benefited from that foundation.
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  Speaker 2: And it was oddly heartwarming. And it was kind of
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  Speaker 2: funny talking to This woman, Jennifer Cosgrove, she's the mother
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  Speaker 2: of two adopted daughters who both have limb differences, as
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  Speaker 2: it's known. And, you know, she said when she first
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  Speaker 2: met Harvey Keene Jr. and these guys, the board is
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  Speaker 2: all just these Milwaukee guys who kind of know each
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  Speaker 2: other probably from kind of the bar scene. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they kind of enter this rigid world of hospitals and formalities.
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  Speaker 2: And sure enough, they just became like real close with
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  Speaker 2: this family and these girls. So yeah, it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of a heartwarming story to do. Hope you guys will
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  Speaker 2: check it out. You can learn something about Tiger's history,
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  Speaker 2: learn about an important figure in baseball history in the process,
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  Speaker 2: but hopefully something that will also make you feel good
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  Speaker 2: for a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just to tie a bow on it, 10-time All-Star,
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  Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, as you mentioned. He won a
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  Speaker 1: batting title. That was nine All-Star appearances while a member
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  Speaker 1: of the Tigers, right? So obviously his best years. He
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  Speaker 1: ends up with a 303 career batting average, a little
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  Speaker 1: under 2,100 hits in his career. And actually, I pulled
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  Speaker 1: this from my shelf. Normally, this is in the shelf
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  Speaker 1: behind me. This is great podcasting for you guys listening
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  Speaker 1: to go on YouTube. I have a picture as a
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  Speaker 1: gift from my father a couple of years ago. You mentioned, oh,
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  Speaker 1: more than Tiger's history than Ty Cobb and Al Kaline. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is Ty Cobb in his older years, shaking hands
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  Speaker 1: with Al Kaline up possible to know the exact date
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  Speaker 1: and Cobb his other hand is on the shoulder of
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  Speaker 1: Harvey Keene so this is believed to be the last
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  Speaker 1: time that Ty Cobb and Al Kaline were photographed together
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  Speaker 1: wow uh no way to fully prove that I haven't
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  Speaker 1: even taken this out of the frame to see how
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  Speaker 1: old this picture really is but you know we talk
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  Speaker 1: about Tiger's history this is these are two of the
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  Speaker 1: greats and then a guy who was pretty damn good
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  Speaker 1: playing baseball in Detroit so uh glad glad to see
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  Speaker 1: that uh that Keene has like another legacy that, that
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  Speaker 1: people can, can appreciate. And, you know, the, the Harvey
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  Speaker 1: wall bangers, uh, or Harvey's wall bangers, I should say, uh,
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  Speaker 1: one of the better kind of team nicknames, I would
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  Speaker 1: say in, in MLB history. Can we, can we, can
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  Speaker 1: we start next year? Can we say the hinge hard ballers?
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  Speaker 1: Can we, can we do that for, uh, for the hinges,
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  Speaker 1: hard ballers? You don't like that. No, we, we, we
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  Speaker 1: will workshop.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of corny. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, Fair enough. Fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of the World Series, Cody, I got to tell you,
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  Speaker 1: All right. I figured, Cody, you know, we're about to get,
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  Speaker 1: you know, obviously as the, you know, the World Series
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  Speaker 1: ends and then, you know, we're getting a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a tricolation of it from other sources. But it's
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  Speaker 1: about to be awards season. And so, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: talked about McKinstry and Dingler being finalists for the Gold Glove.
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  Speaker 1: And I would say McGonagall has a pretty good shot
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  Speaker 1: at winning rookie of the year. We'll see. But I
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  Speaker 1: did kind of want to, I thought it'd be kind
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  Speaker 1: of fun to just kind of talk about like a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a projection and see like who's going
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  Speaker 1: to be next for the Tigers to bring home some hardware.
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  Speaker 1: So I just kind of went with the big ones.
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  Speaker 1: I have Cy Young, MVP, Rookie of the Year, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: you know, after this one. First, like, the next first-time All-Star,
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  Speaker 1: because I think, you know, Dingler and McGonigal, pretty safe
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  Speaker 1: bets to be on the perennial category of All-Star. Next
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  Speaker 1: gold glove, again, we'll say, like, first-time gold glove. And lastly,
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  Speaker 1: will A.J. Hinch ever win Manager of the Year? So, let's...
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with Cy Young.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: To me, Cody, this felt like a two-horse race. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a Jackson Jobe if you bet on the
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  Speaker 1: upside of a Jackson Jobe. And it's a Troy Melton
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  Speaker 1: if you go based on projection of what he's shown
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  Speaker 1: so far and what he could be. So that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of how I interpreted it. And I.
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  Speaker 1: I went with Joe. I went with Joe because of
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  Speaker 1: the upside. Because I think if you're going to win
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  Speaker 1: a Cy Young, you need to... have some, A, your
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  Speaker 1: upside's got to be close to 10 out of 10,
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  Speaker 1: which I think Job's is. And then, B, you kind
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  Speaker 1: of have to have a little flash. You know, like
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  Speaker 1: that does go a long way. Obviously, Scooble had that
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  Speaker 1: in spades the past, his last two years, two full seasons,
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  Speaker 1: I should say, in Detroit. uh and and so he
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  Speaker 1: took home the hard word there uh Melton might end
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  Speaker 1: up being like more steadily a better pitcher maybe overall
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  Speaker 1: I could see that happening but Joe could still have
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  Speaker 1: a Cy Young on his resume whereas Melton would not
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  Speaker 1: so this is just no wrong answer here but what
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  Speaker 1: do you.
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  Speaker 2: Think you know I think the rationale has to be
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  Speaker 2: like who has the Cy Young upside I think it's
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  Speaker 2: easy to forget that not every talented young pitcher just
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  Speaker 2: wins a Cy Young. The Tigers were almost spoiled. That's
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  Speaker 2: one of the amazing things about the Tarek Skubal story.
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  Speaker 2: Not only did he go from ninth round draft pick
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  Speaker 2: to really good pitcher, think back to Skubal in 21, 22,
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  Speaker 2: you saw flashes up the upside, but what he did
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  Speaker 2: after that flex and tendon surgery to put it together,
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  Speaker 2: to change his arsenal, to become more of a ground
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  Speaker 2: ball pitcher, he made so many adjustments that took him
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  Speaker 2: to true ace status, back-to-back Cy Young status. And unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: that just doesn't always happen. Every team has talented pitching prospects,
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  Speaker 2: and you get excited about them. And some of them
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  Speaker 2: become really good pitchers, but maybe not quite great pitchers.
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  Speaker 2: And so that's the test for all these guys right now. Job, Melton,
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  Speaker 2: I'd throw River Ryan in that category, given his upside.
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  Speaker 2: He has probably even more to prove, and it starts
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  Speaker 2: with staying healthy. I'm not saying Troy Melton can't win
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  Speaker 2: a Cy Young, but I'm saying Job has the power
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  Speaker 2: arsenal like Melton. He has to figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: miss more bats and strike more guys out, but you
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  Speaker 2: just watch him and it's kind of easier to see
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  Speaker 2: that happen. We started to see him turn a corner
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  Speaker 2: at the end of this year, which was really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Job has a lot of learning and growing
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  Speaker 2: still left ahead of him, but His stuff plus, the
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  Speaker 2: modeling probably projects him and probably River Ryan as well
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  Speaker 2: as guys who could have Cy Young level ability. Now
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  Speaker 2: it's a matter of putting that into practice. So the
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  Speaker 2: good news is you have a few guys who it's
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  Speaker 2: not too hard to squint and twist your head and
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  Speaker 2: see if any of them could win a Cy Young.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of a matter of, okay, now who could
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  Speaker 2: potentially go out and actually do it? But again, it's
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  Speaker 2: not always that easy. It's Ayersbad, Verlander, Scherzer, Schubel. They
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  Speaker 2: have not been strangers to the Cy Young race in
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  Speaker 2: recent history. It is worth remembering. Not every generation does
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  Speaker 2: produce a Cy Young winning pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very true. And this is where I remind everybody
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  Speaker 1: that Jackson Joe has yet to make his 20th career start.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So. I mean, so we're talking about, like, somebody who
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  Speaker 1: still has very much, you know, just not very much
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  Speaker 1: tape out there, even though it feels like we talk
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  Speaker 1: about him a lot. And Skubal wasn't a two-war pitcher, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: until his fourth year, you know, third full year, if
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  Speaker 1: you count, like, you know, the couple starts there at
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  Speaker 1: the end in 2020. So, again, sometimes this stuff takes time, right?
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  Speaker 1: And Joe, I think, has plenty of time ahead of.
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  Speaker 2: Him to figure this out. How about a Frambois Valdez
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  Speaker 2: bounce-back Cy Young season?
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  Speaker 1: I thought about it. I thought about it.
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  Speaker 2: The upside is he's one of those guys who's been
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  Speaker 2: capped kind of as a really good pitcher. What's the
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  Speaker 2: highest he's ever finished in the Cy Young race? Fromber
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  Speaker 2: is a great example. You can be really good. That
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  Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're going to win a Cy Young award.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. He's never finished higher than fifth.
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  Speaker 2: Only one top five. despite being one of the more good,
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  Speaker 2: consistent pitchers in baseball for a period of years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It's hard.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard.
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  Speaker 1: That's why these rewards are so valuable, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: they go a long way in terms of legacy and
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  Speaker 1: resume when we start talking about things related to Cooperstown.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of that, we'll go with MVP as the
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  Speaker 1: next one. And, again, sort of a two-horse race, in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion, McGonigal and Dingler. I opted for McGonigal because
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  Speaker 1: I just think he's going to have, well, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: he's younger, so there's more time to do this, right?
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  Speaker 1: And if it's just like, if this is what it's
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  Speaker 1: going to look like as a rookie, what could it
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  Speaker 1: be moving forward? I don't want to dismiss Dingler with
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  Speaker 1: the catcher impact and what he does on defense, how
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  Speaker 1: respected he is around the game. If the bat looks
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  Speaker 1: like it did first half for an entire season, obviously
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  Speaker 1: a huge if, a huge if, no guarantee. But if
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  Speaker 1: it looks like that, plus the defense, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be hard for him not to be in the mix there.
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  Speaker 1: But I just think McGonigal with his upside and what
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  Speaker 1: the floor is, it's almost at the point I might
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  Speaker 1: even say it'd be kind of weird if he didn't
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  Speaker 1: win one eventually.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's pretty easy. You've got to pick Kevin McGonigal.
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  Speaker 2: You have a seven more season as a rookie. The
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  Speaker 2: list of guys who have done anything close to that,
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  Speaker 2: almost all of them have gone on to win MVP awards.
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  Speaker 2: So that tells you something. Again, you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: playing with Bobby Witt, and Aaron Judge probably isn't going
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  Speaker 2: anywhere for a while, and there are always other guys
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  Speaker 2: coming up. So to actually get over that hump and
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  Speaker 2: win an MVP, not easy, but this is a guy
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  Speaker 2: who played. It will probably be a top five-ish MVP
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  Speaker 2: finisher this year. as a 21 year old rookie, you
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  Speaker 2: would think that's certainly in this future, but it is interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Dingler for a while was, it looks like he could
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  Speaker 2: be the runner up to your Don Alvarez and obviously
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  Speaker 2: fell off. I think it's, you know, one of those
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  Speaker 2: things when we talk about Dingler, like, did we see
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  Speaker 2: the best, what three ish month span of his entire career? Like,
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  Speaker 2: is he ever going to do that again? And that's
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  Speaker 2: not to knock him. Like this guy's great. I think
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  Speaker 2: this guy's going to win multiple gold gloves. Um, but
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  Speaker 2: will we see him play at an MVP type level again? Or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, was that lightning in a bottle? Like that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of one of the weird questions, even when we
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  Speaker 2: were talking about like, would you take him or William Contreras?
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  Speaker 2: I think I said Dingler, like it's gold glove defense.
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  Speaker 2: He had the better year, but if you're, if there's
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  Speaker 2: a video game and you're just doing a fantasy draft,
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  Speaker 2: like maybe there's a case to just take Contreras, you know, I, I,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think Dingler is a great catcher
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  Speaker 2: to have. Um, But I can't say with a ton
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  Speaker 2: of confidence that I really expect him to be in
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  Speaker 2: the MVP conversation because that's just such a hard thing
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  Speaker 2: to do. I guess in a way you have an
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  Speaker 2: advantage as a catcher. If you're good at all offensively,
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  Speaker 2: your name can be in that list, but he was
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  Speaker 2: playing like Pudge Rodriguez there for a little bit, and
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  Speaker 2: that's almost an unfair standard to hold him to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've said this before, but I do think
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: what happened in the back half of the 2026 season
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: is going to be something that is part of his
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: story and either like, and then he kind of became
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: more of the player that he would actually become. And,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: or it was a huge anomaly and this guy ends
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: up being, you know, whatever, like it's going to be,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: it's going to, it's going to be a note either way. And, uh,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: obviously no way to tell right now. All right, let's
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: get a little funky, Cody. Uh, Next Rookie of the Year.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: This one is obviously tough to project for multiple reasons,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: but I do think there are some good names on there.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: You mentioned River Ryan. Has he exceeded rookie status yet?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think he has. So River Ryan could be
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: on there. Obviously Bryce Rayner. is somebody that feels like
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: he could be in the mix there. Zaire Hope, you know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: so two of the school return guys. Zaire Hope right
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: now is ahead of Rainer on the MLB Pipeline top
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: 30 prospect list. And Brasenio, if he gets enough window
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: of opportunity, hits a ton of home runs, like that
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: could be a thing. And I wouldn't sleep on Cameron
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Fluky either, Cody.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, like, obviously Tigers fans are familiar with
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: him being a first-round pick and all, but this is
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: a guy who didn't really get to pitch all that
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: much his last year of college. Maybe fell to the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Tigers because of it. If he bounces back and, you know,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: takes care of his stuff on way to the bigs,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't rule him out either. So,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: of those five that I just listed, I'll go with Rainer.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I tend to be pretty high on Rainer. I think
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: he's going to be able to be a I don't
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: want to say like five tool, you know, cliche or whatever,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: but I think he's going to be able to do
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: more once he makes, reaches the major league level than,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: than a hope or a Brasenio. And I think that would,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you know, we might get a McGonigal 2.0 in terms,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: not in terms of success. I'm not going to put
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: that burn on him, but just in terms of like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: here's an up the middle guy that's going to have
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: these flashes and then also have this steadiness about them. So, right.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: That's my, um, yeah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Rookie of the year is hard. And, and, you know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Some of it comes down to simple timing, like Max
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Clark no longer has rookie eligibility, so he's he's out
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: of the conversation that's because he earned a mid-year call-up
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: um fluky could be interesting i think the tigers think
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: this guy is going to move fast i think they
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: think he could be in the big leagues latter half
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: of next year and if it times out right he
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: burns his rookie eligibility in like 10 outings or whatever
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: so If I had to pick from this group, I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: would say Zaire Hope. Again, this is a guy who
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: could debut latter half of next year and maybe it
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: just doesn't time out right. For him to get a
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: full rookie season would almost mean he kind of struggles
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: maybe in the minor leagues a little bit this coming year,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: which isn't what you want. But he's a really good prospect.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: The bat's there. There's some power. If he gets enough
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: runway and it times out right and he hits 25
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: homers as a rookie, I'm not saying he's going to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: do that, but I'm saying I think it's the easiest
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: for me to see is hope Rainer. Look, I'm with
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: you really talented dude. He's kind of, he's kind of
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: like the Jackson job of position players. Like the upside
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: is just, you know, completely uncapped, but there are some
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: flaws that, that worry you even like, I think it's
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: easier to see Joe being able to smooth over some
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: things he's struggled with. Rainer just swings and misses a lot,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: which worries me. I think he can improve at it, but,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: The reality is, like, that's usually not something that just
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: goes away. Bryce Ringer's probably going to strike out a
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: ton in the major leagues. And so, like, can he
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: mitigate that enough, especially early on when there's going to
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: be a big adjustment? Can he mitigate that enough to
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: win Rookie of the Year? River Ryan might be the
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: sneaky pick here.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Can he stay healthy? Bersanio's not a bad pick either,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: so this is good. You do have a good farm system.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: You could even go, you know, Jordan Yost. What if
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Chris Rodriguez, who also swings and misses a ton– can
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: get it together as he matures. You have some guys
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: that it's not impossible to see. Maybe they should go
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: sign someone out of Japan just to see if they
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: can win rookie.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Of the year.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: You never know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: That's the real wild card right there, if that happens.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to first-time all-star. So like I said,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you figure McGonagall, you figure Dingler. are going to be
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: guys that get the nod here moving forward on a
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: regular basis. Throw Riley Green in there, obviously, as well,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: with respect to him, as he's got a little bit
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of a streak going here. I went with a safe pick,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and wouldn't this be nuts pick? So my safe pick
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: is Troy Milton. For all the things that we talked about,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I do think he's an all-star caliber pitcher. They tend
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to have, obviously, they have more of these guys named
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: All-Stars for obvious reasons. I feel like Melton, you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: it's a safe bet for him to be an All-Star
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: moving forward. But here's the nuts one. What if Spencer
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Torkelson hits, like, 17 home runs in the first half?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And, you know, first base doesn't look as deep, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the Tigers have, like, a good start to the season
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: like they did two years ago. Weirder things have happened, Cody.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. So that's the long shot, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: then we have the safe one. All right, so those
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: are my two picks.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like the logic here. I think it's smart.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: I think if I had to pick someone, I would
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: go a pitcher, too. Melton, you know, again, like, even
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: if maybe it's not quite this much upside, it's like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: he's probably going to be pretty good. I think at
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: least one of... Melton, Jobe, or Ryan should be an
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: all-star next year. Those are all guys who have the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: ability to do it, and if they're healthy and it clicks,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: you would really hope one of them is an all-star,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: if there's even an all-star game next year. We'll see
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: about that. But Max Clark is certainly in this conversation,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: a guy who thrived and was a 1.2 war player
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: in 51 games. In center field, it's not hard to
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: see him really racking up the war and being an
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: all-star caliber player. I would have two sleeper picks. I
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: would say whoever plays second base, because second base tends
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: to be a very thin position. Klaiber Torres started the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: all-star game there two years ago. So I don't know
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: how he catches fire and gets an all-star.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, let's go.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: It's not impossible to see, right? My other sleeper would
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: be Drew Summers. What about just a lockdown?
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: One ERA first half for Drew Summers gets that bullpen spot.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: There are several ways this one could shake out. Damn.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Summers. I mean, that might not even be a
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: sleeper pick if you think about it, man. That could
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: be like, you know what I mean? Like, that's a
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: good one.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I would say not that many middle, like really the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: only kind of like non-closer relievers who make the all-star
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: game are guys from bad teams who just need a
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: representative player. So that might be the thing that goes
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: against him, assuming he's not racking up 30 saves or whatever.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: But it's certainly not impossible. Pitcher is also the safe
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: bet because so many pitchers end up not going. That's
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: how Casey Mize got in the game a few years ago.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: You end up digging pretty deep in the bag. So
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: if you have it all, like good first half, you
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: have a good chance to get an all-star nod, whether
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you accept the invitation or not. Right.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: For Gold Glove, you mentioned him a couple times, and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: he was in consideration for a couple of these little
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: projections here, and that's Max Clark. I will tell you
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I was very anxious about what his defensive upside would
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: be based on the reports of him coming up through
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the system. It's like, oh, I don't know. Maybe he's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: not a true center fielder. I remember thinking, man, if
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: he's not a true center fielder, then we've got problems
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: because that's part of the projection here. And, you know,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: obviously what happened in spring training, we all got to
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: rehash all that. But since he came up to the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: bigs and I'm watching him on a daily basis, I
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: have been thoroughly impressed with his defense, with his instincts,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: with his jumps. It felt like he never really had
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to have like a quote unquote highlight play, like a
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: dive or whatever, because he was a, he was well positioned.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: So credit George Lombard and the coaching staff for all that.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: But B, reads instincts speed like all that stuff um
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: i think he has gold glove caliber in his glove
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and so uh i recognize outfield and center field it's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: tough but i do think he's going to be able
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to showcase in that outfield even still he's going to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: be able to showcase his ability enough that i think
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: i feel comfortable putting him on here as a projected
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: future gold glove.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Certainly a fair projection, just for the sake of discussion that,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: you know, you kind of mentioned it, but center field
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: is probably the hardest position to win a gold glove
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: because you got a lot of other athletic dudes out there.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: The AL finalists this year are Evan Carter, Stephen Kwan,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: and Sadan Raffiala. They're always, you know, they're always crazy
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: athletic guys in center field making highlight catches and having
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: great seasons. Clark, in his first days of the big leagues,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Looked like a guy who could legitimately be in the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: upper echelon of Major League Center fielders, but it'll be tough.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Dingler already has a guy. I would say don't rule
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: out Zach McKinstry 1-1 this year. The other utility finalists
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: are Jose Caballero and Ezequiel Duran. I don't really know
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: who's going to win this. McKinstry has a pretty legit case,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: plus 15 defensive runs saved, plus 12 fielding run value.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: The answer might be sitting right there, maybe. I think
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: if McGonigal could ever play second base full-time, I think
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: he would win the Gold Glove. I don't know if
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: that will ever happen. I like that. I'm trying to look.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Who else we got here? That is interesting. I don't know.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess in theory Max Clark is your
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: center fielder, but if there's a world where Parker Meadows
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: ends up playing and the Parker Meadows thing clicks, that's
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: not impossible. I'd like to see a pitcher.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Rainer, if we're going down the line.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I always thought Casey Meyers would win a gold glove.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I still would like to see him win a gold
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: glove one day. Probably won't be with the Tigers. Yeah, Rainer,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if he could win one
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: at short. If he moves to third, I think he
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: could be a gold glove type candidate. Uh, oddly enough,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: this is, this is a hard one. I don't necessarily
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: think it's a knock on anyone, but you do look
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: at guys on the current roster and it's like, all right, well,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: tour Keith, probably not happening. Riley green. I think that
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: ship has sailed McGonigal. What's the positioning going to be? Um,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: so if you, if I have to pick someone, I
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: am going to pick Max Clark. I think he's the best, uh,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: best defender they have. I, and John Peck is a
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: great fielder, but will he play enough? Uh, to win
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: a gold glove. Maybe he could be a utility gold
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: glove candidate down the line. You never quite know, but
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I'll go Clark as well. All right.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the harder ones, but you see why
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: they emphasize defense here moving forward because you've got to
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: have better caliber fielders on this team if they can
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: go as far as they would like.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: So... A.J. Hinch, will he ever win manager of the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: year is kind of the question here with the Tigers.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Because this is an oddly Detroit thing, dude. Because Dan
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Campbell brings the Lions to a division title for literally
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the first time in my lifetime. And he doesn't win
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: coach of the year. And then the next year, they
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: win 15 games. And he doesn't win coach of the year.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And it's like.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You would have just assumed that the Lions coach that
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: got him turned around would win Coach of the Year.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: It didn't happen.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: J.B.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Bickerstaff turns around the Pistons. Complete turnaround. Wins and culture.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Number one seed, 60 wins. Doesn't win Coach of the Year.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: And so... And then you look at what A.J. Hinch
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: has been able to do with the Tigers, especially more
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: so the 2024 season, clawing them back in. He's been
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: a two-time finalist, is that correct, in Detroit? I believe
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: that is the case. If it's not, then we don't
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: have to dread on it too much. But if they
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: have a season like 2025 looked like it was going
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: to be, he probably would have won. But if they
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: have a nice comeback season... maybe, I don't know. It's like,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: it might've been like, maybe the moment might've passed him
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: by unless they have some sort of juggernaut season.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah. I mean, manager of the year, it's a
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: weird award, right? No one ever quite knows what the
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: criteria is. I, it's kind of amazing that AJ Hinch
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: hasn't won this, you know, uh, I would say a
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: good start might be winning the division. That generally helps
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: your chances. In 24, I voted for A.J. I was
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the only person who voted for A.J. Stephen Vogt won it,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and I think A.J. should have won because I think
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: he did the best managing job, but Stephen Vogt won
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the division. So, like, how much can you really argue? 2015,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: the job A.J. did with that young Astros team, he
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: had a great chance to win it. Jeff Bannister won it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: The Rangers won that division. Mm-hmm. 2017, the Astros come
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: out of nowhere. They didn't come out of nowhere. That
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: was going to my point. Won 101 games. You could
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: argue he should have won it then, but it went
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: to Paul Molitor. I think the Astros by then had
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: set their expectations too high. So that's part of the problem.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Once everyone expects you to be good, you're probably not
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: going to win manager of the year. AJ won 100
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: games in three straight years with the Astros and did
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: not win that award. 2025, he was the favorite at
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the All-Star break, probably going into the trade deadline. That
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: was his year to win the award. We all know
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: what happened after that. Staved off collapse, didn't win your division,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: did not win the award. So, you know, maybe next
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: year's the year. Maybe you've got to bounce back, win
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: the AL Central, have a great year. Because if you don't,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: but you keep winning, expectations are going to be too high,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and then you're just never going to win it.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, true. And I do think it would be oddly
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: important for his legacy to get one of these awards
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and obviously get another pennant or obviously a World Series.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Have a small market team with a terrible payroll. Pat
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Murphy will probably win his third straight, and part of
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: that is because it's Milwaukee. They're good every year, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: no one quite thinks they're going to be good, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: yet here they are.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it would be a nice crowning achievement for
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: him to kind of move past all the BS that
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: happened in Houston. uh, you know, it's like, you know, bam,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I did this, you know, started from scratch. You don't
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: have to worry about all this extracurricular stuff. So it's very, uh,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: very interesting thought exercise. I enjoy doing that.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Um, here's, we wrap up here, Cody. I, um, I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: guess I gotta do something that I, I don't want
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: to do. Uh, but, but I have to, uh, I'm
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: not going to bury the lead here. this will be
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: my last episode of tiger territory um the short of
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: it is i had a job opportunity that was too
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: good to pass up and uh one of the stipulations
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: unfortunately i tried like hell but one of the stipulations
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: unfortunately was i had to uh you know stop doing
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the podcast and uh And it sucks. Like, it was
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: my choice, but it's not my choice, if that makes sense. And,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you know, I had to weigh a lot of factors
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: and kind of figure out what's the best thing for
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: me and, like, you know, my family and, you know, and, like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: all these things and, like, how can, what can I
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: live with most? You know, like, right now, my wife
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: is doing an urgent care shift at a pet hospital.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: That's like, and you know, just for extra money for,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: for us, you know? And, uh, and if I have
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the ability to do something to help us in the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: short and the longterm, and I, I don't take it.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if that's being a good husband.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's being a good steward to
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: my family and, And all these things, you know, and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: so it was tough. It was a really tough decision.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: If things were equal, I wouldn't have done it. But
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it's just, you know, I think I think back to,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you know, we've been doing this for six seasons. And,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know, I was unmarried then, you know, like I,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: you know, like like life was completely different. different then
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and then it is now and what the stakes are and,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and the things that you kind of have to take
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: into consideration. And I will say that this was, like
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I said, my choice. It was not pressure to do
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: it or anything like that, but I just kind of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: felt like it was something that, uh, had to be done. And, uh,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you know, it's been probably the most fun work, uh, of, uh,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: of my life to, to do this when we were
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: once a week independent. And then the three times a
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: week during the season as a part of the foul
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: territory network, uh, that I've ever done probably will ever do. Um,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I've, you know, all these life events have,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of things have changed in my
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: life and this has been the one constant, you know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: my father had his accident and, uh, you know, I
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: had the passing of my grandfather and, You know, we've
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: had animals, you know, get sick and pass away. And,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like all these things, like, go on. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the one thing I always could rely on is I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: could open up my laptop, you know, click a link,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to be talking to my best friend
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: about my favorite baseball team. And it's, you know, damn
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: if it wasn't, like I said, the most fun thing
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I've ever done. and I'll miss it. I'll miss doing
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: this with you. I'm not going anywhere. Like I'll still
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: like be on Twitter and all that stuff. And if
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I can try like hell to get back in it, I'll,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I'll do that. But right now this is a choice that, um,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that I have to make. And, uh, and so, um,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: so yeah, I just want to say, you know, first
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: of all, Cody, I appreciate you. Um, and I appreciate
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: everybody who downloaded, gave us a listen, gave us a follow,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: click the link, you know, any of that stuff, because, um,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you know, doing this for zero listens would have been enough.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And the fact that, you know, we were able to
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: kind of carve out a little bit of a role
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: on tiger social media and, and the, and the tigers
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: fandom space and media space, uh, it was truly special
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: to me. So, um, I just want to say, uh,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: thank you everybody. And cheers.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Thanks, Karen, obviously, so much for your time and
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: your work over the years. This really is the end
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: of an era in a way. Listeners, don't worry. Expect
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Tiger Territory to continue. Expect to have an episode later
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: this week, kind of sorting out the logistics of, you know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: exactly what everything will look like going forward. But I'm
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: still going to be here. doing the podcast but it
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: certainly will not quite be the same won't be quite
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the same doing it without without my best friend it
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: is amazing to think back how much has changed and
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: how you know how our pod has transcended and grown
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: so yeah it sucks but also understand obviously there are
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: no hard feelings here sometimes real life beckons and you
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: got to do what you got to do so Yeah,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know how to transition out of that. But, yeah,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: it's kind of crazy that this will be the last
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: one with you.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It's been a ride, like I said. You know,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: wouldn't trade anything for the world. And if I can
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: get back in this space, I'll do it. But, you know,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: for now, I'll be signing off. That does not mean
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you guys do not need to subscribe on Apple and
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Spotify and YouTube. To Tiger territory because the show is
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: continuing going on. The plans are still going to be amazing.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I'll be on the other side listening and following and
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: subscribing as well. So, for Cody Stavenhagen, for the last time,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I am Kieran Steckley. Everybody have a great day.