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L84 Lee Hattield from S_I_P_A is here! · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the igubert of podcast. This week we
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  Speaker 1: had on Lee Hatfield from SIPA SIPA Scientific Investigation to
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  Speaker 1: Paranormal activity. He has a podcast, he's a researcher and
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  Speaker 1: he's always been interested in the field of the paranormal
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  Speaker 1: and we just discussed many things under the sun, the
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  Speaker 1: way you go about going it possibly if you were
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  Speaker 1: to become a paranormal researcher. So it's a very interesting
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  Speaker 1: conversation and of course some of his experiences and how
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  Speaker 1: he was unable to scientifically debunk those and how shocking
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  Speaker 1: it was to him. So, you know, I really appreciate
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  Speaker 1: So it's been a lot of fun. I enjoyed this conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I'm enjoying all the conversations. Next week I'll be having
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  Speaker 1: on Cardi Buschhart. We're going to go into his book.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a big button? More than just a dumb ape?
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  Speaker 1: But this episode was a lot of fun. Hope to
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  Speaker 1: see you guys next week, and please enjoy this episode
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  Speaker 1: with Lee Hatfield.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, tom my friends.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing okay, man, how sunny England?
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  Speaker 2: I was in England. I had to go on with
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  Speaker 2: some family stuff. But I'm actually in Ottawa, Canada. You're
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  Speaker 2: in Mexico. We've gone snow and if you say it's
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  Speaker 2: warm there, I'm going to drive down and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to have a conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Well you can have a conversation. You bring, I'll bring
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  Speaker 1: the beer, You bring the chainsaw, and we are today.
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  Speaker 1: Are high was twenty eight degrees and it will be
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  Speaker 1: between thirty and thirty one for the rest of the week.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So Okay, where's the off button?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you don't know where it is. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why you're on the show. How did you get here? Yeah, liase,
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  Speaker 1: please do me a favorite. Introduce yourself to my audience.
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  Speaker 1: Tell everybody a little bit about yourself and where we
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  Speaker 1: can find anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So Managery Hatfield. I'm originally from England and I've
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  Speaker 2: been in Canada for twelve years. I've spent most of
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  Speaker 2: my life in uniform in one way or another. I
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  Speaker 2: started off in the military. I did six and a
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  Speaker 2: half years in the Royal Air Force and then I
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  Speaker 2: did to change my way of life and I joined
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  Speaker 2: the Fire Department. I did that for about twelve years
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  Speaker 2: and then that wasn't good enough. I thought this uniform
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  Speaker 2: is too boring. I'm going to work another one. So
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  Speaker 2: I then became a paramedic within the UK. It's completely different,
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  Speaker 2: different services. So as I said, I came over to
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  Speaker 2: Canada two thousand and thirteen. I married the wife Thoo's
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  Speaker 2: Canadian twenty twelve. And I was always a skeptic for
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  Speaker 2: the longest time. And then I was doing a cardiac
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  Speaker 2: arrest as a paramedic in England and the guy I
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  Speaker 2: was working with. He was opposite me while we're doing
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  Speaker 2: the CPR and stuff, and he went, you can stop
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  Speaker 2: doing CPR. I went, what do you mean you can?
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  Speaker 2: I can stop doing it. He goes, yeah, the spirit
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  Speaker 2: stood behind you're telling you you can stop. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry what He went, yeah, oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: it's doing the CPI go, yeah, I'm a medium and
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  Speaker 2: I can see the spirit behind you, and he's saying
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  Speaker 2: that it's his time and I'm not coming back. And well,
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  Speaker 2: with all due respect, can you tell the spirit that
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  Speaker 2: I've got a job to do exactly start? And that's
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  Speaker 2: that's what kind of kicked it off for me. I
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  Speaker 2: was like saying, I was a skeptic for the longest time,
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  Speaker 2: and I was always like I'd always bush something off
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  Speaker 2: or debunk it whenever I had the chance, and I
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  Speaker 2: never really looked into it. But when I came to Canada,
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  Speaker 2: I did take over a local group that unfortunately weren't
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  Speaker 2: very active. And then twenty twenty four, my wife has
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  Speaker 2: sent me on a Valentine's Night out. She brought me
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  Speaker 2: a ticket to a ghost w if I hang so
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  Speaker 2: she's home a bit of peace and quiet and then
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  Speaker 2: I met up with the two guys that I joined
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  Speaker 2: that we created with Logan and Bolt, and they brought
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  Speaker 2: some gadgets with them, so I kind of latched onto
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  Speaker 2: them for the entire evening and then I said, I
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  Speaker 2: think we should meet up and have a chat. So
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  Speaker 2: two weeks later we met up in a local bar.
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  Speaker 2: Seper was created. That night, we both decided, well all
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  Speaker 2: three of the decided that we wanted to go down
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  Speaker 2: the road the correct way, like the kind of the
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  Speaker 2: scientific way, debunking all the natural phenomena. First, Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: how I want to do things. And from then on
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  Speaker 2: we've gone from strength to strength. We've been on a
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  Speaker 2: couple of radio shows and yeah, I started the podcast
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  Speaker 2: in February of this year and it's gone from strength
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  Speaker 2: to strength.
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  Speaker 1: That's fantastic. So I'm going to go ahead and share
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  Speaker 2: You did? Ah?
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  Speaker 1: Therefore your listening pleasure. That way you can enjoy them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that what I'm looking at here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that where you can listen to it and see what
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  Speaker 1: Lee's all about, and uh yeah, go ahead and support
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  Speaker 1: him anyway you can, and so get into it. So Siepa,
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  Speaker 1: the Scientific Investigation of Paranormal Activity? So what did did? You? Guys?
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  Speaker 1: Just came up with it at the bar at the
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  Speaker 1: pub the name?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much right exactly. Yeah. I walked to
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  Speaker 2: that bar, so I knew I have a few beers,
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  Speaker 2: so I was okay with that. Yes, So we decided
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  Speaker 2: that we wanted to make sure that we were taken seriously,
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  Speaker 2: and we wanted to make sure that whenever we did
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  Speaker 2: an investigation, we did things the right way. So Logan
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  Speaker 2: my one of my co leagues. He's got a background
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  Speaker 2: in film, so it was his kind of task to
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  Speaker 2: deal with all the cameras and the audio and that
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  Speaker 2: sort of stuff. Because I wanted to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: things are done correctly, I started buying all the diagnostic equipment.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, most people that are in the knowledge know
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  Speaker 2: that you've kind of got two groups. You've got the
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  Speaker 2: ghost hunters that want to go out and be scared,
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  Speaker 2: and then you've got the investigators that want to try
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  Speaker 2: to prove the existence of paranormal right. So I did
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  Speaker 2: a lot of research and I found out that black
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  Speaker 2: mold can cause hallucinations, evening ps can cause hallucinations, carbon
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  Speaker 2: monoxide can cause hallucinations. So I started buying all the
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  Speaker 2: diagnostic equipment that we could rule out natural phenomena prior
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  Speaker 2: to playing with the gadgets and to see if we
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  Speaker 2: could actually contact any spirit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting thing, man, because I've had a few.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't had any like cryptid encounters myself. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen like, you know, dog Man or Bigfoot or something.
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  Speaker 1: But even just yesterday is the first time something's happened
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  Speaker 1: to me for a long time. Very odd. I was
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  Speaker 1: telling the people in my group chat for the for
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, shout out. It's got to shout about out.
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  Speaker 1: Jim from The Night's Watch a shout out, Uh, Daniel
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  Speaker 1: Cahoun from Magical Journey podcast, Pam, Jenny, Mike, all the
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  Speaker 1: people over there, what's up? Shout out to my crew.
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  Speaker 1: So I was my girl, I was telling you. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: oddly enough, in the green room, my girlfriend came home
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  Speaker 1: and she was like, Hey, let's go get a couple
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  Speaker 1: of beers, and I was like, okay. We go up
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  Speaker 1: to the corner store here in Mexico on the corner
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  Speaker 1: it's called six not seven. Six is where you get
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  Speaker 1: your beer. And it's got a gated off front, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, because there's women working inside, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's always it can be. It can be skept sketchy
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  Speaker 1: at certain times a night. And we're like doing this
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  Speaker 1: thing where you know we're paying for it. She puts
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  Speaker 1: some money. I say, here, take my took my while
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  Speaker 1: I put the money in the wallet. I'm paying the
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  Speaker 1: lady so to change. I'm about to grab this stuff
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  Speaker 1: and I feel in the back of me lee it
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  Speaker 1: felt like someone tugged on my shirt twice, like a
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  Speaker 1: fish would bite on your rod. And I looked over.
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  Speaker 1: There was a gentleman to my right left on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: He was, you know, about a meter away, three feet away,
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  Speaker 1: and hey, what's up angel? And he, you know, he
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  Speaker 1: was too far away and wouldn't do it. And then
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  Speaker 1: I asked her, I said, did you touch me? And
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  Speaker 1: she goes no, and I swear something tugged on my
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  Speaker 1: shirt like down too. Now there's not like there's nothing there,
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing there to do it. It's just A. It's
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  Speaker 1: a and I wasn't scared, which is weird. Normally that
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  Speaker 1: would scare somebody, but for me, it was more like,
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  Speaker 1: who was that. It's such a weird thing to try
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  Speaker 1: to contextualize, especially to put it in under the umbrella
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  Speaker 1: of scientific knowledge, isn't.
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  Speaker 2: It's very difficult, absolutely, And we can't obviously call somebody
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  Speaker 2: a liar for what they say that they've seen because
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  Speaker 2: it's all down to personal experience. You and I could
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  Speaker 2: be stood next door to each other. I can see
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  Speaker 2: something or I can hear something, and you don't see
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  Speaker 2: or hear it at all. True, I'm not the liar
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  Speaker 2: because I know what I experienced. And that's the respect
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  Speaker 2: that you've got to give people to be taken seriously. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because there's so much ridicule and like attacking in this
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  Speaker 2: world that when you talk to people that have had
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  Speaker 2: these these phenomena and these experiences, it's them about had
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  Speaker 2: that experience. You know, you weren't there, you don't know
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  Speaker 2: what happens, so you can't call that person. Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 2: So you've got to give them that respect. You want
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  Speaker 2: to have a successful podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Well not just that man, because like you might have
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  Speaker 1: an experience they've never had. If you want whale watching
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  Speaker 1: and you've seen a big humpback whale come out of
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  Speaker 1: the water or an orcare or something and you're like
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  Speaker 1: it was incredible, and they're like, yeah, whatever, they weren't there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you felt like a like a toy in
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  Speaker 1: the bathtub in this huge ocean. But that same person
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  Speaker 1: could that said oh yeah to you could have had
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  Speaker 1: a paranormal experience and you're back to them, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what's missing a lot nowadays, is that mutual respect.
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  Speaker 1: Remember across from you as another member of the species,
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  Speaker 1: and the way they experience life may not be the
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  Speaker 1: way you've experienced life. So you have to put yourself
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  Speaker 1: in their shoes and walk a mile first and realize
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  Speaker 1: that they're just just you in a different avatar, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. And I spent twenty five years in the
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  Speaker 2: emergency services, so I've seen people at their worse.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, if someone says my leg hurts because I've
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  Speaker 2: fallen off my pushbike or whatever, you can't say, well, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe you. Yes, it's because you have to
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  Speaker 2: take that word as gospel all right, So.
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  Speaker 1: You guys sat down, you had this idea that you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to go through it in the in the correct way,
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  Speaker 1: and I imagine correctly. It means it falls under the
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  Speaker 1: umbrella of the seven step scientific method testing hypothesis and
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  Speaker 1: see if you can recreate it. So so you got
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  Speaker 1: these You've got this equipment. So what did you start doing?
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  Speaker 1: Are you doing these investigations in Canada? And how do
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  Speaker 1: you go about looking into it and what preparation goes
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  Speaker 1: into it.
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  Speaker 2: So Canada is a little bit of a strange beast because.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm an American dude. We know.
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  Speaker 2: I've got dual citizenship. I'm good. But a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the locations that you can pay to place, I think
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  Speaker 2: are government buildings, so they either cost a lot of
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  Speaker 2: money or the very difficut or to get into. So
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  Speaker 2: unlike the USA that's got haunted buildings coming out of
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  Speaker 2: the Yun Yank, we've got we have a few that
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  Speaker 2: with and the same with the US. With the country
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  Speaker 2: being so vast, they're not all on your doorsteps. So
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  Speaker 2: it's not unusual for us to drive two hours for
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  Speaker 2: an investigation. And if you're doing that and you're coming
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  Speaker 2: back at two or three o'clock in the morning, it
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  Speaker 2: turns into a really alum night. So we haven't done
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  Speaker 2: many private locations, but most of them have been public
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  Speaker 2: venues that we've been able to hire. So the fact
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  Speaker 2: that we say we'd like to check everything first from
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  Speaker 2: a scientific point of view, it's not always possible because
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you're paying to go to a location,
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to be walking around that place for
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  Speaker 2: two hours doing your baseline observations and checking for drafts.
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  Speaker 2: So you kind of have to shorten it a little
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  Speaker 2: bit and go straight into the correct investigation procedures that
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  Speaker 2: we all know and love.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so go ahead and let us out for me,
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  Speaker 1: what are the correct investigative procedures. I'm somebody who doesn't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm new to the show. Tell me now, how does
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  Speaker 1: that go?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, as we've already mentioned that each story is
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  Speaker 2: for that individual. If we have just for example, people say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: these doors they move by themselves. So one of the
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  Speaker 2: things that we will do we have anoometer that checks
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  Speaker 2: for drafts and for winds, so we've put that near
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  Speaker 2: the door to make sure there's no big yeah way
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  Speaker 2: that the w can come and blow it. I've actually
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  Speaker 2: got a spirit level that I carry in my kit,
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  Speaker 2: so I'll put it on the door to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that the door is home correctly, to make sure that
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  Speaker 2: it's not just free opening and closing by itself. You
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  Speaker 2: make sure that the screws are not loose. If people
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  Speaker 2: are saying that they're experiencing apparitions, I will go around
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  Speaker 2: with my EMF reader, and it's not a key to
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  Speaker 2: I do prefer to use the trifield could more of
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  Speaker 2: an accurate device, And then you can see if there's
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  Speaker 2: any high levels of the MS which potentially could cause
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  Speaker 2: the hallucinations. If we know that there isn't any MF,
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  Speaker 2: then we will check with the black mold detector to
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  Speaker 2: see for any black mold in the vicinity, and the
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  Speaker 2: same with carbon carbon monoxide. So we go through all
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  Speaker 2: the rational explanations first and then we kind of get
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  Speaker 2: the gadgets out to see if we can actually communicate
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  Speaker 2: with spirits.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so what has been your experience now? I do
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  Speaker 1: kind of know that these things are somehow connected to
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  Speaker 1: the electric magnetic spectrum and whatever way that is, or
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  Speaker 1: what the meanings of that, what that entails, or what
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  Speaker 1: the implications of that are. I don't think we're quite
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  Speaker 1: sure to even come out and speak upon that, because
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  Speaker 1: we just simply don't know. But i'd imagine too, if
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  Speaker 1: you're in a location you want to make sure that
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  Speaker 1: maybe the power is off, you probably want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that your cell phone is on what they call
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  Speaker 1: the airplane mode, things of that nature, to make sure
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  Speaker 1: you're not getting any false signals. And is that also
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  Speaker 1: another part of it that you're checking into.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, absolutely correct with cell phones, and we
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  Speaker 2: always try, no matter what we're doing that we do
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  Speaker 2: have a base station away from where we're investigating, because
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  Speaker 2: basically have an MBR that's got like six cameras, so
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  Speaker 2: all phones will stay close to the base station if possible,
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  Speaker 2: thought all the phones are on airplane mode. We don't
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  Speaker 2: use walkie talkies because they can activate some of the
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  Speaker 2: equipment and repulse positives. A perfect example, we went to
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  Speaker 2: a location last July and there was numerous talk of
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  Speaker 2: electrical things happening or hallucinations or yeah, strange things happening
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  Speaker 2: in this particular room. But when I checked on the
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  Speaker 2: trifield measuring the electromagnetic field, it was going really high,
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  Speaker 2: going off the scale and then we determined that the
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  Speaker 2: building was so old. This was like a three three
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  Speaker 2: story building and we were on the top floor. The
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  Speaker 2: apartment below was identical laid out. So we determined that
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  Speaker 2: because the EMF was so high, it was due to
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  Speaker 2: faulty wiring or old wiring given off EMF. So we
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  Speaker 2: we couldn't say one hundred percent, but we could kind
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  Speaker 2: of say, well, potentially that is caused by the fact
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  Speaker 2: that is extremely high EMF in this room. So we
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  Speaker 2: kind of do that, and we tried to rule that
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  Speaker 2: as much, like I said, natural phenomena as possible. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's not easy because you've also got that people looking
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  Speaker 2: into iron in the ground. Yeah, if you if you've
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  Speaker 2: got drink stream water and it's got that blood taste
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  Speaker 2: to it, the good chance that they could be iron nearby.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of talk about iron in the
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  Speaker 2: ground or other metals can also be affecting your equipment
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  Speaker 2: or be could be making people feel ill. It's not
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  Speaker 2: of a paranormal nature. It's a natural phenomena. But like
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  Speaker 2: I say, it's not always easy to testinguish.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So when when you get real, so when you
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  Speaker 1: get something that you is unexplainable some of the things
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  Speaker 1: that has just been because you know, you always hear
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  Speaker 1: I've had many paranormal you know, investigators or things of
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  Speaker 1: that nature in it when they sometimes they'll run across
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  Speaker 1: something that is just so odd, no matter how often
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  Speaker 1: try to debunk it. You know, it's just it's just
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: it's just it doesn't work well. What occurrences or you know,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: what kind of what things have you run across that
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: you just cannot explain for whatever reason.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: So a simple one for us in June, we came
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: across the border to a small place in New York
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: State called Casinobia, and there's a lovely, quaint hotel that's
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: got loads of history and loads of power, noormal activity,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: and we were setting the cameras up and there was,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: as you get in most hotel rooms, TV on a cabinet.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: And now this cabinet had got a couple of doors
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: at the front of it, and as we're setting up
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the cameras, this door just creeped open, so that okay,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't think anything of it, but then we thought, wait,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: let's not be so hasty, so to roll that out,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: we actually tried to debunk it. So for the next
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: half an hour, rather than setting up the equipment, we
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: were putting the latch back into place. We were banging
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: the side of the cabinet, we were jumping up and
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: down on the floor. We were trying to do everything
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: to replicate that door opening. And after half an hour,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: we could not get that door to open right again.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: And we were putting the latch as close to coming
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: off as possible, and we still couldn't get it to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: redo it. It was really quite tight, right, So all
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the banging and all the knocking that we were doing
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: would not make this door open again.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and I'd imagine there's things. Have you ever
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: heard any disembodied voices? Because those those I've heard those
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: three times in my life, and and it's never been
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you know, like you know, like you know, the beatles
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: in my ear or something. I fet that it's always
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: been a little bit unnerving. Have you ever experienced that?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: So we haven't really well, I haven't heard anything live,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: so to speak. But when I've been reviewing the audio.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: The very first investigation that we did as a as
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: a threesome, we went to an old jail. It's about
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: an hour drive away from Ottawa and you've got the corridor,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: you've got the reception area of the jail. It's been
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: about twenty five years now. And if you go to
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the left, you go down some stairs and some other
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: parts of the prison. If you go to the right,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: there's a small cell block area like solitary confinement. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: if you go straight down about thirty or forty foot
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: down this corridor and turn left, you go into an
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: area that is called the Hell's Angel Wing. And there
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: was six cells on six cells on one side, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: then the metal tables and chairs that you normally see
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: in prisons if you've ever had the opportunity, and those
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: on the right hand side pitch darkness. I'm there by
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: myself and I'm literally talking, you know, if there's anybody here,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: please make a sign, make a sound, all this kind
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: of stuff. And like I say, I did not hear
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: it live, but when I was reviewing it, I heard
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: as soon as I said, I would very much appreciate that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I e. If you could make a sound. I heard
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: a double breath straight after. Wow, So I'm like, oh,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: hang on a minute, played it back again, yeah, and
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: that double breath was just there. So I sent it
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: to the two guys, and they went, yeah, we can
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: definitely hear something. So I'm lucky enough to have a
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: couple of friends that are specialists in audio. One of
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: them works for a music studio that kind of thing,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: so they know how to break down audio. And one
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: of them actually broke it down to the point of
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: doing voice waves, and he went, yeah, this is your
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: voice wave. This is the double breath on two different frequencies.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: That was not you, And people go, well, it might
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: have been you breathing. It's like, dude, other paramedic for
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: over ten years, I know how people breathe. You don't
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: talk and then just go at the end of it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: It's not how normal people breed. So we didn't say that, okay,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: that was a ghost or that was a disembodied voice.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: We just pull one explained pile. Unfortunately, that pile is
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: getting bigger and bigger.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was so I people who know the channel.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I bought some property out here in the middle of
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the jungle. Uh literally, I bought four hectors in the
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: middle of here in Yucatam Peninsula. They were never gonna
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: lock me down again. Bro, let's put it out. There's
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: nobody locking me. That's why I left Europe. I lived
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: in Germany for twenty years, so I've been to Europe
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: all over Europe except for England. I did fly in
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the heath one time and I smoked a cigarette outside,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: so I I considered that England. They let me out
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: without going through customs, just smoke some really cool dude.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: So I get out there. You're freaking yank, Get out there. Yeah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm out there, Yeah, yeah, get out and then
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: get back on the plane and get out of my
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: country fair enough. And so I'm just out there one
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: night sleeping and I'm out on underneath like a like
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a tin roof. It's all screened in because of the
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: mosquitoes here will literally eat you alive. Literally, there's five
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: different types here and that I've that I've personally seen.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: And I'm I go to bathroom about three in the morning, lee,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and I lay it back on my hammock, and I'm
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: just about to go to sleep, and right here in
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the side of my left ear, it felt like I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: literally could feel someone breathing and talking in my ear,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and as a natural reaction, I just swung at somebody.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Because it's on this side, I can just reach over
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and Uh, it's a very unnerving thing to hear in
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: the middle of the jungle at night. But this place,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the Yucatam Peninsula, Mexico, is you know, Mayan country. There's
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: still ruins that are yet to be discovered because the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: forest are still up. I mean, there's pyramids here, which
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: is a day of the dead. I mean, it's just
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: one of those places. And now when I heard that,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: it's just it's not really a question, it's kind of
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: a remark. It's just one of those really unnerving things. Man.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what might even more interesting was about three months later,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: we went back to the same location with another team
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and in the same room that the first experience happened.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I'd got Logan was sat right against the back wall,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: so he was about thirty foot away from me. Bolter,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: who on the audio you can actually hear talking. He
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: was sat halfway between me and Logan, and I like
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: to walk around and just to yeah, watch me back
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. And I went into the corridor and
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I when I do an investigation, I've got a body cam,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I've got a handheld and then I've got a handheld
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: audio as well. And I walked out into the corridor
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: you can see me turning to the right. You can
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: see that there's nothing down the corridor. And as I
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: turned to come back in again, Bolt is still talking.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: You just go and this is again. This was not live,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: but I heard I heard it on review. I just
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: kind of got a It happened twice, and so I've
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: had two unexplained e vps the same location in the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: same building, within three months of each other. Right and again.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I sent that to a friend and he analyzed it,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and he when you haven't tampered with it, it wasn't
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: added afterwards. We cannot explain what that noise was.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those weird things. It's so unnerving
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to hear it. I mean, there was another time out there,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: but this was farther away after I've seen a light
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: on the wall and it sounded It's like a muffled
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and it's okay. I'm a fluent German speaker, English speaker,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: of course, and I'm working on my Spanish, and I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: know the syntax and the sound and the rhythm of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: those languages, okay. And of course I can recognize French
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: if I hear it. Russian. Being in Europe, you hear
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: everybody and uh, and it's none of those. But I
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: have heard Mayan. I've heard my the mind language spoken.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: That's my next language I'm tackling after Spanish. Uh. There's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: courses here and things like that. I just want to
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: it's so cool. I want to learn it. And it's
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: it was like I don't know what this is, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I just like, I don't know who you are, you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: like you know my mind, you know, but you know
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not here to bother anyone and not here to
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: hurt you. I'm here to improve the land. Because they
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: have a thing here called a lucius, which are like
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: they created like uhmunculous kind of like seven or a
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: couple of week or seven day ritual. I always get
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: those mixed up where it's like corn mud blood sacrifice,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: talking God, that's what the Mayans did to protect their corn.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: So and they're here, it's like they're like little cherrups,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: like it's a little three foot tall Buddha belly like
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: people with black hair, kind of like kind of like
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: a smushdown Mowgli if you know the Jungle Book to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: smush down, Yeah, yeah, kind of like that. And so
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: these and you hear this all the time, and I
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: just haven't had the chance. It's been I've just been
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: trying to catch up after changing my entire life moving here.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to be going out looking for these
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: things and they scare me more than seeing an apparition,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: more than Poltergeist any of those things. And I'm kind
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: of looking forward to. But also there's a tingling in
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: my fingers as I say that. Do you ever get like,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: is something put your hair on end when you're out
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: doing your investigations? Is something happened in the moment where
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I know you're going back and you're reviewing your audio
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and your video and you're checking things out. But is
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: this something that's happened in the moment other than maybe
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the door opening where you're just like you're like, oh
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: my god, you know that? Has that happened to you?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And it's really what you should say that because
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: about a year ago I got ask to help a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: friend out that was doing a public investigation and he
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: was doing it at another jaild and he's a big,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: like twice the size of me, and he goes, yeah,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I don't like going to death row by myself because
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: it freaks me out. Do you want to come and
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: keep me company? So it's like a bit of a
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: road trip. Yeah, So I asked the wife to see
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: if she wanted to go, because we wanted to do
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: an investigation of that place like the beginning of this year,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: which we did, and I took my camera with me,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and he's given me a guided tour, and I went
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: into one room and it was a small room, maybe
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: about twenty thirty foot deep and about fifteen foot wide.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: And I'm just walking around with the camera and as
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I turned, I get this stroke down the side of
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: my face, and I'm like, okay, So my immediate logic
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: reaction spider, spider web, Yeah, something hanging from the ceiling,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: which is all good and well until you realize that
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the walls had been recently whitewashed. Decorators, boards and decorators,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: blankets are on the floors, of painted cans of paint
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: in the corner, the smell of fresh paint. And when
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I asked my buddy, he went, oh, yeah, the decorated
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: were in this afternoon doing some painting. So that immediately
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: rules out spider and cobwebs because they would have exactly exactly. So, yeah,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: could I explain what that was. No, only I felt it,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: but when we actually did our investigation, we had a
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: medium come over from somewhere near the New York. Yeah,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I'm from England. They don't do American states. I know.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: It's all one big one. And she.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Either telling me they weren't from Cornwall or Worcestershire or some.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: And I think it is like Cleveland, tom or somewhere
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: like that anyway, and she she was what, I'm walking
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: around with her. We came to that room and I
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: never told her what had happened, and she went and
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: there was a gate on it by this time, it's
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: like a few months later padlock gates, so we couldn't
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: go in, but you could still see through it. And
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: she went, oh, there's a guy stood in that room
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: just looking at us, and well, what's he doing? He
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: just stood there looking at what we're doing. So okay,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: is he Is he doing anything to interact with you
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: each No, just like stood there watching them. So yeah,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: was it this same guy that ran his hand down
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: my face? Maybe I can't explain it, I can't disprove it.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: It's it's one of those things that I've heard before
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: where people well that when when something happens right before
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: they say it feels like you're walking through a spider
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: we I think, oh yeah, by the way, the shower
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: attend straighter hill. She got us in contact with one
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: another one to go ahead and Pam, if you get
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a chance, Pam, do me a favor and pull up
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: her you know, Elk Valley paranormal, so we can go
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: ahead and give her some love. She's actually started that.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and she.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Just had a birthday. A happy birthday to you send
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: once again. She just turned I don't know, twenty five
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: or something like that. I'm smarter than I luckily, So
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: tell me about this podcast, man, is what's the show about?
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: And what are you doing over there?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: So I was toying with the idea all last year
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: doing a podcast, and I'd been on a podcast and
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't felt as though it had run as smoothly
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: as what I like. I'm a little bit of a perfectionist,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: so I'm thinking to myself while I think I could
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: do better. So I was toying with the idea. I
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: mentioned it to the guys and they they both went, yeah,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: we haven't really got time to do that. So have
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Adams so okay. So I've got a friend who lives
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: in Montreal, which is two hours away. He's been doing
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: a couple of podcasts for a couple of years, so
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I've reached out to him explain what I want to do.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: So we've got the kind of basis that I wanted
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to do something obviously connected to the power noormal. So
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: rather than just stick to one subject like ghosts or
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: UFOs or cryptied, I googled the word power normal. And
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you if you've ever done it,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: and I recommend it to your listeners, just google the
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: word power normal because there is so many different subsections
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: of all this different power normal stuff. So I found myself, well,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: if I want to do a job properly, I have
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: to speak to people of all different walks of life
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: that have connected to the power Noormal. So, yeah, I've
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: had UFO investigators. I spoke to Preston Bennett a couple
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: of weeks ago, who is quite big in the UFO world,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: and he was abdoupted and he was telling me about
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: his abduction. I've spoken to people that yeah, I have
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: seen theories people about out of body experiences and it
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: absolutely fascinates me that all these individual stories and if
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: you don't know about the power normal, or you just
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: think it's ghosts or you just think it's you to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: hear some of the stories that these people come out with,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: it's absolutely fascinating because if I'm saying something to somebody
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: and then I get a jaw dropping moment, it's kind
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: of like, Wow, you've.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Made the impression's read it, It's going to read it.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: So paranormal. According to the Wonderful and always Perfect wiki links,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: paranormal events are purported phenomena described in popular culture, folklore,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: non and other non scientific bodies of knowledge interesting whose
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: existence within these context is described as being beyond the
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: scope of normal scientific understanding. Notable parable para normal beliefs
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: include those that pertain to extrasensory perception. Okay, so, telepathy,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and the pseudosciences of ghost funding, cryptotoology, and eufology. Thank you,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: thank you, Wikipedia, You know everything. What I'm trying, what
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to do with that. What I'm trying to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: do with that, Lee is give some credence to what
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: you're doing. Then so we are going or if Lee,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: if I can be in super for a moment. We
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: are going and we are trying our very best in
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the best possible way to recreate or to record or
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: somehow collect data in which it can be seen scientifically.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I think everyone has had, for some somewhere or some
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: reason or rhyme, you've had a strange dream, You've had
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: what's that called sleep paralysis or something which I've had also,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: or or something strange and a weird dream that you
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: dreamt one day and it happened, or that you've seen
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and you think it's stay ja vou and you don't
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: remember it's a dream. There's always something strange. We just
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: don't talk about it. And just for the wonderful Wikipedia
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: to come through and say it's all pseudoscience, it's just
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: another way because you have to remember Lee. You know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: people love to like say specific words and now they
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: have specific meaning. You know. One of my favorite ones
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: is toxic masculinity. So now if you're a dude, you're
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: toxic all of a sudden. So it's what they do.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: They want to box you in a corner and tell
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you this is what you are. And uh, I think
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous personally.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know a lot of these scientists. Yeah,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: black and white, and there's no and paid off some
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: of them exactly exactly. But if that's the case, how
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: come so many different people can have so many different
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: experiences that cannot be explained. It's not it's not mass hysteria. Yeah,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: because you've got you've got your apology eulogy, you've got cryptozoology,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: you've got ghost of spirits, and you've got other different
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: parts of the paranormal world. Everybody has their own stories.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: You cannot say that every single person, like I said
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: at the beginning, to show is a liar because they're
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: all experiencing it. So what what is going on? Something
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: must be going on. We can't prove what it is
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: because we can't get a ghost or spirit into a
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: scientific laboratory to do tests on them.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's impossible to do because it's it's
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: very random. It's very when you least expect the kind
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: of thing, and the worst is when you do expect
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it and it does come. That's probably scarier. Honestly, I'd
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: rather be unexpected, now that I think about it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, please, I said, this same location that we had
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: the cupboard door opening, we were there for two nights,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: and we're done late into the night on both occasions,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: so it's probably about two am. We were driving back
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: the next morning, so we thought we'd better get our
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: heads down and get some sweet And I'm in an
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: old fashioned four poster bed, absolutely dream of a hotel,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: and I experienced. I got into bed and I pulled
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the old blankets over me, and for all those people
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: that have used blankets before, once you've got comfortable, you
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: feel like the blankets settle. There was a space there
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the way to the blankets moved, so I felt that happened,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: didn't think anything of it. And then I'd only been
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: in bed like a minute of the most two minutes maximum.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I felt a really heavy sensation on the bed, like
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: somebody had sat on the bed. It wasn't the blankets.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: It was just a heavy sitting sensation that I thought
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: one of the guys had come into the room and
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard the door. And then with that I
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: saw a white apparition going past the side of the bed.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, only I saw it, So I like to
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: think what what I saw was real. I wasn't tired,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I hadn't been dreaming, because I've literally been in bed
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: for two minutes and I was on somebody's podcast and
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: they went, so, what what did you do after that?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: I once it disappeared, I turned over and went to sleep.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Right. We don't trust the nature of our own experiences
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of time because we've been conditioned to say
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: all this is bs or you know, it's all in
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: your mind and all those kind of things. We have
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: a nice comments unreal real estate agent has been crazy
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: in the chat. Thank you for your thank you for
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: your contribution. This see we can say something to this. Uh,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I've heard it's all wrapped up into one on some
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: levels somehow, even if seemingly not or actually not at
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the same time. Rules are different in other existences, is uh?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: In other existences? In possibility? I don't know what that's
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: some some grammar eras there. It's really funny too, because
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: I teach grammar now, I'm an English, an English tutor,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm using a grammar book from England and you
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: guys use some weird words. You guys say, uh, what
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: do you do at weekends? At weekends on the weekend,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And I have no problem. I'm just when I'm teaching
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: my students that goes that the way you guys say it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I go, that's not the way we should it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: If we're going to start bullying each other, why do
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: you North Americans go, I'm going to bring that here. No,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: you take it, take it away, and you bring it back.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: So like, oh, I'm going to take that here. No
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: you're not. You're going to bring it here?
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Take that here. I don't think i've ever heard an
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know which, I don't know which circles you're
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: running in Lee, but it might be some Canadian stuff.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: But us here in the red, white and blue and
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: also the green, white and red of Mexico, we don't
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: talk that way. We don't talk that way whatsoever. Yeah,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: so it is all kind of connected somehow. I mean,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: if you listen to people who've had you know, like
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: crypton counts of bigfoot nature a lot of times, if
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: you look where it's located on which day they've seen it,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: you also like look into it and you also see
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: starmers around within a ten kilometer area, you will find
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: some type of UFO type situation or some type of
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: UAP whatever you want to call it, in the sky.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: And you also hear like in like, how would you say,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a raised level of paranormal activity at the same time,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, and I don't I
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: will never claim to know unless there's some you know,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: exact way of measuring this. But it does all seem
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: to be connected somehow, doesn't it.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: It doesn't. You're absolutely right, because there's a there's a
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: mountain in your neck of the woods that's got really
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: high UFO activity. I can't you stop into Mexico. I'm
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: what it's called. But they also have paranormal activity close by,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: so you know, you do get some kind of like
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: commonality between locations. But again, it's it's one of those
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: things that we can't explain when people talk about when
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: people talk about UFOs and things, and people go, oh, no,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: it's complete bs. It's like, well, if you think that
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: we're the only species on a small ball in a
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: small universe, and when you've got one hundred million universes,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: new thing, that we're the only space, how naive are
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: you extremely?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I would think that would be even I
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: think that's a stranger remark than to say that, to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: say that it doesn't exist, it's stranger than saying it does.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: In my mindset, not to mention. You know, you can
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: say whatever you want to about the US government. They're
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: also you know, kind of weird and whatever. But they've
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: kind of basically come out, you know, actually know they did.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I I've had to look it up exactly and said, yeah,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: they're real. It's real, you know. And ghost that you know,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: that one's kind of been around forever every you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: my grandmother's have the ghost stories. Everyone's seen something somewhere,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: but the uf UFO one. You're I'm gonna imagine you're
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: in your late forties, early fifties, right, imagine. I'm gonna imagine.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna imagine. Okay, So am I being nice? Okay,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: that's good, fantastic? Do you imagine? Hi? Bruce A. Bruce
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Brown's here, guys. His episode one Quick Little Run. His
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: episode coming out next Tuesday, is one for the age. Guys.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: You need to see this episode. You can get it
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: now and become a member and see it. We're talking about. Okay,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a quick one. Check this out. There's
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: a quick story. I'll give it to you. This is
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: the main concept of the podcast. He told me a
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: lot of crazy stuff, but the one that really got
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: my my juices flowing. So he was a law enforcement
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: agency in Tennessee. One of these bigfoot got hit by
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: a car, all right, broke both of its legs. It's
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: over on the side of the road, like balled up.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: They're like, what do we do? What do we do?
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: A government agency came and we're talking, you know, black vans,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: dan darkened windows with the classes meant in black. Timily
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Jones and Will Smith were there. Will Smith wanted to
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: slack Chris Rock, but Chris Rock wasn't there at that time,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: and I'm a comic too, and yeah and all of it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: So they were like, okay, we got this, no big deal.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: So he went to follow up on the report. No
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: reports forever made. The guy disappeared, the government agency disappeared,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: and the bigfoot disappeared, and he's like, what the hell
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: is going on? So go ahead and check that out, guys.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: That is coming up this Tuesday. Bruce Brown, thank you
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: so much, man. That was a fantastic episode. Yeah, So
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: these these things because being a human, right, there's this
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: thing where we want to know. We want to know,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: which is for me a lot of times where religion
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: comes from, we just want what is this, well, you know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I just I live in this meat suit and now
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I just you know, work at Burger King until I'm sixty.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: What is this? So we want to know what the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: world is around us. So a lot of times we
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: tend to make up stories. I'm not picking on religion
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. I'm just saying in particular, you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: always my grandmother, she was there for me. And people
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: have experienced that, and you can't. You have to take
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: them seriously in that. There's some people we do know.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: They can be melodramatic. You know, I'm one of them,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure you'd be. Everyone's melodramatic about something, the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: big fish they caught, whatever it may be. But we
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: have to listen to them. And I think, Uh, how
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: do we go forward from here? What is the step
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: forward from here? To legitimize in your opinion of course,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: to legitimize uh, paranormal research and cryptozoology and all that
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: other than because for me, I'm I'm convinced that Bigfoot
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: is real. Every time people say no, I showed them
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: the Patterson Gimblan film, and I show them the leg wiggling.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: There's no suit in the world, especially in the late
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: sixties that could do to even if you're, you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a Planet of the Apes fan, you know, what is
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: our step forward into giving this some kind of legitimacy.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Well, the fact that you've mentioned planet, I'm assuming you're
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: talking about the original one. So that shows my age,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: my friend, So what.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Do you how are you? Lee? You want to tell me?
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Just go ahead and say it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Man, I was a big I was a big six
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: zeme this year.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Oh well, wow, wow you may.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Yes. So it's a very difficult question to I'm.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Sure it is. I'm just I'm just trying to tease
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: apart what your feelings are about it. Okay, I understand,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I understand it's a difficult question to answer, and I
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: don't mean to put you on the spot in any way.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: But how do we how do we, you know, legitimize
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: because there's a lot of these shows like one I
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: used to like a little bit was called Twin Paranormal
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: until they tattooed themselves half to death in every two seconds.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Oh and it's just kind of bugs me a little bit.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, if it's something real and they've
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: caught some good evidence too, I'm not gonna lie they've
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: caught some real good evidence. But there's these shows that
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: you watch they're just come on, man, And you know
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: that being an investigator, it's not like that every time.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: You know, if I have Austin Lawrence on here from
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the Dead the Dead Chronicles, he's like, they're they're, they're,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: they're they're faking it, and he goes, no, dude, this
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: is the way you do it. If you watch his show,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: it's completely different, dude. So what do we do? What
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: do we do to make it legitimized.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody in California a few weeks
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: ago and she basically said to me, you disbun debunk
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: everything far too easily. So what she basically means, why
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: if you see something out of the corner of your eye,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: but when you look at disappears, it doesn't mean that
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: something wasn't there. It just means that it noticed you
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: turning your head and disappeared. So if a lot of
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: people are more open with not their feelings but their senses,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: so to speak, and actually try to understand more this
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: is going to sound very stupid, try to understand more
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: about the unknown, then I think we would get a
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: lot more concrete evidence. In this world the way it
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: is today, people want everything now and they want answers
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: straight away and they can't get them. So if you
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: actually took a step back and thought about what you've
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: just seen or what you've just heard, and you actually
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: record that evidence, I think there'd be a lot more
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: genuine results rather than people just go, oh, yeah, I
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: was tired or or whatever. And I think we need
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: to be a lot more not necessarily open with our feelings,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: but open with our senses. And then I think that
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: way we'd get a lot more like compelling evidence.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And I think Pam killed it right here,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: and this is I'm going to go and take and
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: say what you said and to contextualize it and the
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: way I the way I would present what you said,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: which I really like what you said, I would say,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: you need to be more in touch with yourself, you
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like instead of always thinking about
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: while you know the next thing you're going to be doing,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: and being outside of your senses, you know what I mean,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: instead of like projecting into the future or projecting in
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: the past, live in the moment. And once you live
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: in the moment, you open yourself up to a different reality. Remember,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: like things like tree and wall. These are just words, dude,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: that we use to describe something. But the wall doesn't
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: know it's a wall. It's its own thing, dude. You
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. It doesn't have it doesn't know
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: it's a wall or something living. A tree doesn't know
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: it's a tree. It's just doing a tree thing, bro.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: And when you just put yourself in that moment and
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: you see the world around you and like go within,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of things will open up for you. And
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: therefore you are in your senses and can recognize the
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: things that you might be seeing instead of pushing them
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: to decide and worrying about going to the mall tomorrow,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: whatever that may be that you're thinking about doing. That's
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: the way I happened about that.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're absolutely right. And the girl that I
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: was speaking to a few weeks ago, she said to me,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: so you see spirits and I went, and she went,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: don't bullshit me, just be honest, and I went, I
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: don't think that. You went, you have, but you debunk
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: them far too easily, and you just like, oh, yeah,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: that was whatever, And she goes, you need to start
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: opening up. You need to start heightening your senses and
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: then you'll say more, you'll hear more, and you'll have
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: a much better experience.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a lot of people. I think.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I think if you, if you just to kind of
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: get to like the culture that's going around now, the culture.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of words that they use for culture.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: But if you want to go ahead so that I
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: can conceptualize it for people to understand the lingo that's
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: being used today to kind of change our thought processes,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: in our in our theta waves or alpha waves being awake.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: So what they do is they try to put you
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: in a certain mindset, and if you can go ahead
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: and remember that you are not that, then what happens
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: is a lot of things open up for you. A
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: lot of things open up for You're getting more in
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: touch with yourself, you get it more. Thank you, Thank you,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: thank you. This is another Lea another hat film is
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• 53:11
  Speaker 1: you so much for your comment. Buddy. Uh thank Michigan
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: stand man. You guys are incredible. Yeah, It's just that
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I think the world is Uh. People want to say
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: it's crazy. I don't think it's crazy, man. I think
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: the world is just fine. I think what's happening is
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: that the box is open now and we can look
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: inside and see all the goodies and realize that the
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: goodies are also outside of the box. And I think
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: they're doing everything within their power to put that genie
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: back into lamp. And Uh, if we can just go
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: ahead and open our hearts and minds and try to
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: love one another the way you're supposed to love yourself first,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and then you can love others. And when you love yourself,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: you automatically love others. So go ahead and do that
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: as well. Look at me, I'm a six foot tall.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I'm a former US Army soldier myself. I did four
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: years active do the US Army. So you're a military
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: from the Royal Air Force air Force.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry the air Force. Yeah okay, yeah yeah.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Row air Force versus the United States Army a little
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: bit different. But you guys kick you guys.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: And the weekend in a failed we spend the weekend
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: in a hotel.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Oh. The Air Force in the in the US military
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: had the best stuff, Like we had to go out
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: and run in the mornings. Those jokers got to sit
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: on like stationary bikes and then get their physical training test.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: That way, he puts them like, oh he's breathing, well,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: look at his blood circulation. And me and while I'm
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: out there and the tree branch is hitting me in
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the head ship So it's not the same. So dude,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. What's next? Reciping man,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: What's what's what's what do you guys have coming up?
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Have you been on any shows? What's what's the weren't
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: you on maybe it's a different one. Weren't you guys
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: on like a different like on a different platform or
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: something like that. Am I did that miss anything?
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Or we we've no, the platform that we're on is
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the one that we've always been on. We have been
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: on a couple of these kinds of things. Uh, the
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: we've been on a few been on a few shows
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: like that have been lived And because I'm the unofficial
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: press officer, it's like, yeah, you can do it. You're fine.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Like there was there's one in over on the West
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: coast and it was I think it was in Vancouver.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: It started at like midnight, midnight my time. So the
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: guys go, oh yeah, you can, you can do it.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: It's a two hour show. So we have got a
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: few investigations coming up. We have got something in the
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: pipeline that we can't tell anybody just yet, one of
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: those push push things. But okay, does come to fruition,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: then hopefully that will be quite big for us. And
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I'm coming towards the end of season one of the podcasts.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: But I've already got enough people either booked to record
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: interviews like yourself. Probably enough. Yeah, I've already gone already recorded, yeah,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: until into January. But I've already got enough guests a
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: mostly people that want to come back in. So if
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: I didn't get any more and I recorded all of them,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: I'd be good up until like March. Say, we have
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: been on a couple of radio stations recently. We did
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: an investigation with the local radio station, so that was
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: good fun. Apart from that, we're just trying to get
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: our name out of there and just to go from
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: strength to strength really great.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, one, We're time. Tell the people to name
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: of your podcast and where they can find it.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: So it's the superpowerl Chronicles. It's available on YouTube, Spotify, Apple,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: whatever they're called, because I'm not an Apple person. And
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: the normal places, yeah place, yeah, all, a normal play
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: is where you can get your podcasts. But I say
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: I always send the YouTube link to people because he's
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: got the video and you can you can see the interaction.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: We're also on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I got you, I got you your on Apple.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you Jenny so much for your help. Who you
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: are here. Here's Lee's super Paranormal Chronicles with Lee Hatfield
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  Speaker 1: on Spotify. Uh. So you can go in and just
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: there it is. You can see there's a link. You
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: can need to type it in pause the show, okay,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: and then you can type it into your browser and
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: then you can go ahead and check it out and
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: listen to with Lee and his guests have to say. Man,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: so okay, next week I will be having on So
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: you guys are ready for I'm gonna have Carter Bushart on.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: He was on an episode about a month ago and
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: he talked talked about his uh what do they call
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: that when they go hypnotic regression where he knows that
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: he got abducted by aliens and he just really it's
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: the book called Bigfoot Not just a dumb ape And
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: we're gonna come on and we're gonna promote his book
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna Backcarter up next Friday. So thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for coming on. Man. I really appreciate you
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: taking the time and coming on and talking about your
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: experiences and the way you go about things. Man.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that You're most welcome, and I look forward
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: to interrogating, I mean, speaking to you.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, we're gonna do some CIA stuff. What are
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: you talking about?
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Spotlight? Put your hands on your back. We would ask
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: you all those tough questions.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. You could asked me something
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: like what did you do on August fourteenth, nineteen seventy four.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, didn't exist? Yeah, We're gonna have to
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: talk to God about that one, because I don't know.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I was nine, So let's let's not go there.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, all right, seventy four. You were nine? So you
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: were born in sixty sixty five? Correct, you're you're you
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: are then seven six years older than my mom. So
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: you could you could be my dad? No, you couldn't,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: because that would be like fourteen or something. No, fifteen
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: years old, but technically the time, I don't want to
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: be reminded of my eventual demise. I appreciate it so much, man,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and I can't wait to come with a show. I'm
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: looking forward to it, buddy. Okay, okay, So we are
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• 59:28
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