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EP #84 - Guided by Numbers with Joy Woodward · Spiritual AF!

0:01
SPEAKER_00: Greetings, listeners.
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SPEAKER_00: We hope that you have enjoyed our bonus back yourself mini-series where we have had five amazing practitioners with five amazing stories over the last five days.
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SPEAKER_00: And as if five bonus episodes wasn't enough, today we are bringing to you a bonus bonus episode.
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SPEAKER_00: Because today we have been joined by someone extra special.
0:27
SPEAKER_00: She has been on our podcast twice already, and she is a very dear friend to our spiritual renegades community, being part of our inner circle and giving a lot of wisdom and guidance to our renegade members.
0:40
SPEAKER_00: Please welcome back to the show, numerologist extraordinaire Joy Woodward.
0:45
SPEAKER_00: Hey Joy.
0:47
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much, Diane.
0:49
SPEAKER_01: That was such a beautiful intro.
0:51
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm not finished yet.
0:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm not finished yet, because I have to say that Liz and I, for our listeners who don't know, Liz and I absolutely love the work that Joy does.
1:02
SPEAKER_00: We have both had individual personal numerology readings with Joy, and we've had a combined um reading for our business, this virtual as fuck business.
1:11
SPEAKER_00: Um and yes, that is a thing.
1:13
SPEAKER_00: So if you're interested in doing numerology for your business, Joy will take you there.
1:18
SPEAKER_00: Um but Joy, you stood out to us.
1:21
SPEAKER_00: We wanted to have someone who kind of represented people continually backing themselves over time.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: And just because of, I guess, the timing at the moment, you stood out, because drumroll, please.
1:34
SPEAKER_00: Joy is releasing her second book, and it's it's you know, it's out on pre-order at the moment.
1:41
SPEAKER_00: But I'm going to bring you back to before this book, before the previous book, before you were even in the world of numerology as a practitioner, let's put it that way.
1:54
SPEAKER_00: If you can just give us a little bit of background on your story, where you started out, and how you kind of took that initial leap of faith to kind of back yourself.
2:05
SPEAKER_01: So long before leaving the corporate world for a spiritual gig or your own spiritual biz was trending, um, you know, I found myself at this corporate job, and I was, it looked like success.
2:22
SPEAKER_01: It was the corner office, it was the benefits, it was the title, all the things.
2:28
SPEAKER_01: But I was so unfulfilled, and I just felt like there was more.
2:33
SPEAKER_01: And I went and I had a numerology reading on the recommendation of someone who was also tiptoeing into spirituality.
2:44
SPEAKER_01: And we, you know, I had the reading and I felt so seen, and I did not understand how she could know the things about me.
2:54
SPEAKER_01: She could recognize the patterns that kept popping up in my life.
2:59
SPEAKER_01: And part of my numbers is the research.
3:03
SPEAKER_01: I need to know everything once there's a subject, and I mean, if I said I'm not interested, but if I am, I'm I will read, test all the things until I feel that I've mastered it.
3:19
SPEAKER_01: And with numerology, I mean, there's always things to learn.
3:24
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like the world of wine.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: There's always a new vintage, there's always, you know, a new uh climate, and you know, a different weather pattern.
3:33
SPEAKER_01: And numerology, there's there's so many layers and layers to discover, but it what worked for me because I tend to be quite skeptical by nature, yeah, is numerology had a formula.
3:48
SPEAKER_01: There was a plus and my sort of you know, calculation, and it holds, and it proved itself over and over again.
3:58
SPEAKER_01: So that's what kind of got me into it.
4:01
SPEAKER_01: But then, um, you know, you talk about back yourself.
4:04
SPEAKER_01: I was a disturber, I was a disruptor in the corporate world.
4:08
SPEAKER_01: If you lied to me, I was gonna have to bury you.
4:13
SPEAKER_01: If you weren't pulling your weight, I was gonna expose you.
4:16
SPEAKER_01: And I I understood those were not the most flattering character traits that I owned at the time, but I got things done, I made them a lot of money, but that again was not always popular, and so eventually there was one big catalyst and I got fired, so I call that a cosmic love shove.
4:43
SPEAKER_01: So when you are when you are, you know, pulled towards something, it's important that you pay attention, yes, because if you don't, the universe will remove it for you.
4:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I did things in the most difficult way possible.
5:01
SPEAKER_01: I left, which was awesome, and I became really good at numerology, but I was not convinced it was a real job, so that's something too where people have to really make peace with what other people think about them.
5:16
SPEAKER_01: It really is none of your business, and you will find your tribe if you are authentic, is what I have learned.
5:24
SPEAKER_01: So I tried going back, and that was a disaster, not to the same company, but I tried another corporate position, and I was not a great experience.
5:35
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, that didn't work out.
5:36
SPEAKER_01: But what it did show me was how the numbers were not in favor of starting that position.
5:42
SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, until all of things were learnings where it was like, Oh, did I just need to go through that so I could you were proving to me that these numbers are real?
5:53
SPEAKER_00: There was your validation, there was your evidence.
5:57
SPEAKER_01: And um yeah, I was at a birthday party for a friend, and I was watching people, and it was around Christmas time, and they were exchanging gifts, and I was like, Oh, that was thoughtful.
6:11
SPEAKER_01: She's a six, that was yeah, she has to have six energy, and so then I would kind of be like, Hey, can I have your birthday?
6:20
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, actually, a lineup started to form, and people were like lauring, like next.
6:26
SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, my husband just looked at me and he goes, You've got to start charging for this shit.
6:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
6:34
SPEAKER_01: So I did have support around me.
6:38
SPEAKER_01: My husband's been so supportive of this work, and I always thought it would be embarrassing to say his wife was a numerologist.
6:45
SPEAKER_01: When we married, I was corporate earner, like yeah, it was happening, and then all of a sudden, like, oh, I'm a numerologist now.
6:56
SPEAKER_01: Seriously, I think a lot of people can relate to that.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: Who's listening?
7:02
SPEAKER_01: Does anyone even know what that is?
7:04
SPEAKER_01: Surprisingly, no, they don't.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: And does it matter?
7:08
SPEAKER_01: No, it doesn't, it doesn't.
7:11
SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, I stayed with it.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: The universe provided me with beautiful clients that championed my work and told their friends and sent me referrals, yes, which was amazing.
7:24
SPEAKER_01: And I did turn it into a job.
7:27
SPEAKER_01: Now, is it as bountiful as corporate life?
7:32
SPEAKER_01: It's very different.
7:33
SPEAKER_01: Yes, but yes, yep, it's amazing what you can survive on.
7:38
SPEAKER_01: It's amazing how you can adjust your lifestyle, and really you're you're giving this up, but you're gaining all of this.
7:48
SPEAKER_00: So I think that's a wonderful way to put it, Joy, because there is like if you think in terms of abundance, abundance is so much more, and fulfillment is so much more than just your income level or your bank balance.
8:01
SPEAKER_00: It's like this work, even though we're in very different lines of work, but it's still when you're following your soul calling, then you're going to end up doing something that is way more fulfilling than just uh, you know, having a fat bank account.
8:16
SPEAKER_01: And the the numbers really can be your guide.
8:20
SPEAKER_01: So when you look at for one, your cycle of time, your personal year energy, that will tell you is it time to start?
8:29
SPEAKER_01: Is it time to research?
8:30
SPEAKER_01: Is it time to finish?
8:32
SPEAKER_01: Do I need to give up something?
8:34
SPEAKER_01: If you follow that, the magical synchronicities that appear are absolutely breathtaking.
8:43
SPEAKER_01: And I have so many stories about how I've used it in my own business to really make things happen.
8:52
SPEAKER_01: And when you follow that drumbeat, that natural flow, nothing's forced, everything flows, it appears when you need it, the right people, right timing.
9:04
SPEAKER_01: And um, even when I think back to my first book, I was no one.
9:09
SPEAKER_01: I was a prairie girl in Canada who had a really embarrassing website.
9:17
SPEAKER_00: And we've all had one of those, and at one point I didn't even have one.
9:22
SPEAKER_01: So oh yeah, and that no website.
9:26
SPEAKER_01: That was also that was also a season.
9:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, I had this embarrassing website, and I got a I decided I was going into my five year, and I decided this is five.
9:38
SPEAKER_01: Five is a great year to write a book.
9:39
SPEAKER_01: It's the number of the storyteller.
9:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm gonna write a book this year.
9:44
SPEAKER_01: So I looked at my chart, and January was a six month.
9:48
SPEAKER_01: So I educated myself on the publishing world.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: What would happen?
9:53
SPEAKER_01: How do you even find a publisher?
9:54
SPEAKER_01: What do I need to know?
9:55
SPEAKER_01: Do I need to self-publish?
9:57
SPEAKER_01: All the things.
9:58
SPEAKER_01: So I educated myself because six rules education.
10:01
SPEAKER_01: In the seven, that's a time to become the expert on something.
10:05
SPEAKER_01: So in February, I used that energy to really deep dive and start in an outline, getting things right.
10:13
SPEAKER_01: Eight-month was March, and I decided um, you know, there's always an expense in an eight-month.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: I bought myself a very magical desk.
10:23
SPEAKER_01: It's it's serious.
10:25
SPEAKER_01: It's um, you know, it's just a beautiful desk, and I eight rules finance, and so there's always a little spending.
10:32
SPEAKER_01: So I did that, and uh, you know, kept kept researching, doing things, getting ready.
10:39
SPEAKER_01: In my nine months, I cleared things out, I made space for what I wanted to come in.
10:46
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
10:47
SPEAKER_01: So it's weird when you leave corporate, there's all this stuff that sort of hangs around, and you know, for years I had kept well, not year, I guess it had been over a year.
10:57
SPEAKER_01: I was still keeping things for like my resume.
11:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, I was like, what am I doing?
11:02
SPEAKER_01: This isn't gonna happen.
11:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm never this no, so I got rid of all that stuff.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: I really cleared the slate, and in nine year or nine months, a lot of times there's relationships that leave and some other things, so made space, and then I really like working with the moon.
11:21
SPEAKER_01: So if you can time your new beginnings to a new moon, that seeding, that new cycle.
11:29
SPEAKER_01: I always like it.
11:31
SPEAKER_01: People take one big step.
11:33
SPEAKER_01: You can take more, but take at least one action item, just do it so the universe knows you're serious.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: So I downloaded Scraviner, which is software a lot of nonfiction authors use.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: And because of course I had researched it, and that was the one.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: So you knew yeah, but the new moon, I downloaded Scraviner the next day, and I have receipts.
11:58
SPEAKER_01: I can everything I'm saying, I can tell you the very next day.
12:03
SPEAKER_01: I got an email from my first publisher saying, Hi, I'm the acquisitions director.
12:11
SPEAKER_01: We're looking for a numerologist to write a book for us.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: Ohter.
12:18
SPEAKER_01: Please come join us.
12:20
SPEAKER_01: There it is.
12:21
SPEAKER_01: It was amazing.
12:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh, and so that was my one month, my two months I signed the contract, three month creativity.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: I wrote the book, four months that you know, diligent, head down writing.
12:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, five months is when all the changes and edits were happening.
12:38
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: Six months was when they made it pretty.
12:42
SPEAKER_01: Okay, they made all, you know, did the cover, did all the interior artwork, things like that.
12:48
SPEAKER_01: And then seven months, that's like self-care, and it was done, it was out of my hands, there was nothing I could do, just waiting for that release date.
12:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, and release happened in my eight month, and on the 12, 12, 12, full moon, it was 2019.
13:05
SPEAKER_01: So 2019 adds up to 12.
13:08
SPEAKER_01: My author copies arrived at the house, and it was just that new moon to that full moon, it was absolutely just beautiful.
13:22
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, and in now for my second book, I I have a similar sort of you know, um story that rolls out, but that one was that was when I went, this is so so accurate.
13:38
SPEAKER_00: Something it is because there's the practical I'm always a sucker for anything that's practical application.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: That's what I want to see.
13:46
SPEAKER_00: It's like, okay, it's one thing to be, you know, off-manifesting in the ether and wanting things to come to us, but the practical nature of okay, here's how you can use the energy series, how you can use the numerology.
13:59
SPEAKER_00: And I'm just very mindful.
14:01
SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to inject this here before we chat about your your new book as well.
14:05
SPEAKER_00: But this episode goes live in October, so third week of October.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: And I know from working with you for quite a while how important the energy of October is.
14:18
SPEAKER_00: So we literally, folks, if ever you wanted to set the theme for 2027 and have a way of backing yourself, Joy, if you can just touch a little bit on the, I guess, how the importance of October and if we can encourage people to do something this month to back themselves.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
14:42
SPEAKER_01: And there's still time.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: And even if you're listening or find this episode, and and October is in the history books, you can still go back and look and see what was happening, and you can be, you know, proactive about it for the next year because it is every single October.
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SPEAKER_01: So it holds the numerical energy of the year you're going into.
15:05
SPEAKER_01: So right now we're in 2026.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: Two plus zero plus two plus six is a one year.
15:11
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: Then you find your personal month or universal month.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: We add October.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: Everything in numerology reduces.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: So October is a one month.
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SPEAKER_01: So if you add the personal year, which is a one, to October, which is a one, we are in a two uh universal month.
15:29
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
15:30
SPEAKER_01: So 2027 is a two universal year.
15:36
SPEAKER_01: It's actually an 11, which that's a whole nother thing.
15:40
SPEAKER_01: But it's a two.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: And so October foreshadows that next year.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: And so the end of the year, you've got October's a two, November's a three, December's going to be a four, January calendar rolls over.
15:57
SPEAKER_01: Now we're in a two.
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SPEAKER_01: Two plus one for January is a three.
16:01
SPEAKER_01: February two plus two is four.
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SPEAKER_01: So those last three months of the year really foreshadow the first part of next year.
16:15
SPEAKER_01: But October specifically holds that energy of your entire year.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: And so if you can include things you want more of, yeah, think about what you really want.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: Take those steps.
16:27
SPEAKER_01: The new moon is is coming up.
16:30
SPEAKER_01: Take those steps at the new moon.
16:32
SPEAKER_01: I I tell the story about the flowers because it yes, it was just so ridiculous that I would choose to use October.
16:40
SPEAKER_01: It was one of the things I did, but I kind of got cocky about it because I had been doing numerology for a minute.
16:47
SPEAKER_01: And uh, I was like, Oh, I want fresh flowers in my house all year.
16:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna have fresh flowers in October.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: And so I made sure in October I always had fresh flowers, and I and I've done this now for years.
17:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, whether they were five dollar gerbers from the grocery store or something a little more substantial, great.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: That following year, I received flowers from the most unexpected sources.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: It was amazing.
17:16
SPEAKER_01: So I had a neighbor show up and it was her birthday, and she was leaving for the airport, and she's like, These just got delivered.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: Enjoy.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you.
17:24
SPEAKER_01: Okay, you know.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: I had um, you know, friends had sent me flowers, client had sent me flowers.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: I helped a friend with her mother's uh celebration of life, and they were from out of town, and she just said, Can you just deal with these flowers?
17:42
SPEAKER_01: I can't think the problem.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: So it was wild.
17:47
SPEAKER_01: Then my husband decided he liked how flowers looked in the house and he started bringing them home.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: So it was those are the little things.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you want to be careful about what you don't do.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: So I don't go to the dentist, I don't enjoy the dentist.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: I don't take my car for as much as an oil change because car in shop is not a message I want to put out for the universe.
18:11
SPEAKER_01: So it's what you don't do is also important.
18:16
SPEAKER_01: But if you struggle to get places on time, if you can be on time in October, it will become effortless throughout the year.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: If you want to save money, even if it's you know, a few dollars a day transfer into savings, a couple dollars at a time, just say my savings are growing every day.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: Now you've made it true because they are growing every day.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: And the brain, your subconscious will accept that, and it will help you solve your problem and help it become true.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: So I love that, and I would definitely encourage everyone.
18:52
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, for the whatever two remaining weeks of October, or probably just one left by the time this episode goes live, but just go and do something that represents what you want for whether it's your life, your business, your career, do something that kind of injects that energy or sets that intention for 2027.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: I can't believe I'm saying 2027.
19:16
SPEAKER_00: It's almost upon us, but because this is how we can make numerology work for us.
19:22
SPEAKER_00: But um, Joy, I'd love to shift into chatting a little bit about your book.
19:26
SPEAKER_00: So your new book is your destiny is in your numbers.
19:31
SPEAKER_00: And I love this because it's it's it's so bright, it's so bright and joyous looking, and it has that cosmic energy feel to it as well.
19:41
SPEAKER_00: But I'd love to know if you can just give us a little bit of an overview about the book, but also like if there's one particular story that steps out in terms of a challenge you had to overcome where you thought maybe the whole thing was falling apart or might never actually come to pass, and you had to again how you backed yourself.
19:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, writing a book is it you hear people talk about it until you've actually you know done it.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: You probably don't understand the emotional spiral involved.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: There's highs, there are lows.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: It's um really, I believe most creative people, intuitive people, I know Stephen King wrote about this.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: A lot of books are sort of divinely guided.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't want to say channeled because I think that that's sort of a very specific, you know, different type of thing, but they're divinely inspired and there's a lot of intuition stuff goes into it.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: And even now, sometimes I read back and I'm like, oh wow, I wrote that.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and I remember I'm like, wow, awesome.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: I am clever, aren't I?
20:55
unknown: Yeah.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: But what the numbers can do is really when you're when you're an entrepreneur or solopreneur, and you don't have all those co-workers or support staff helping you, it's sometimes hard to stay on track.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: And that's where the numbers can really help you.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: So throughout the whole book, when I was writing, I was very aware of you know, my numbers, what am I doing?
21:25
SPEAKER_01: This is what I'm working on now.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna write this chapter now.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: I don't tend to write in order, I jump around.
21:31
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, in my five months I wrote the chart the chapter on karma because that felt right.
21:37
SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
21:38
SPEAKER_01: And then when um I wrote a lot of stuff about forgiveness and nine energy when I was in my nine months because I could really tune into that.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: So the numbers guide you in such a way that they are both inspiring, they are just so very magical.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: In what they will put in front of you if you're open to it.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: And I do find, like I know for me, because having used your um your calendar as well, like the yearly calendar that comes out and it's based on my numerology, and I put that into my actual calendar.
22:20
SPEAKER_00: And now I can't say that I follow it 100%, but if there is something big that's coming up, if I have a contract to sign, or if um, you know, uh if I want to schedule going off to a spa for a day, I'll actually go and look at the numerology and say, oh, what's the best day to do this?
22:36
SPEAKER_00: So I think between numerology and astrology as well, like there are certain things that I just think, oh, it's nice to have this little bit of guidance, and then it's up to you whether you choose to follow it or not.
22:46
SPEAKER_00: And when you don't, that can also be informative.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: This book, the look, my first book was a true beginner's guide.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: It was very short, it was easy to digest.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: This book is so much more, and it's the depth.
23:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:03
SPEAKER_01: What I find right now, there are a lot of um we self-proclaimed spiritual gurus, um, a lot of AI, a lot of TikTok numerology, and it's really diluting the true Pythagorean roots.
23:18
SPEAKER_01: The reason numerology has survived for you know as long as it has, is the accuracy of it.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: And I saw that completely just getting, like I said, diluted.
23:31
SPEAKER_01: Yes, yeah.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, so this book, whether you this is the first time you're hearing about numerology, it will walk you through how to calculate a chart for those that have math trauma or are not into the math.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: Me, me, me.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: I like seriously, I had to beg my grade 10 teacher for a 50R, they called it 50 raised, to pass me.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: And I promised him I would never take his class again.
23:59
SPEAKER_01: And so we made a deal.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: I was never gonna take his class again, and he was gonna pass me in grade 10 math, which ironically is when you learn Pythagorean formulas.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: And how did that work?
24:12
SPEAKER_01: There's a message in there, so Marjoy.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: So there's a calculator on my website, though, so anyone can go use the calculator, it's free.
24:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you can use that to kind of look your numbers.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: But what the book does, which I found was a huge sort of gap in in what's available.
24:34
SPEAKER_01: I go through how to read a chart, I teach you how the numbers blend, and it's set up in a very different way.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: So most numerology books are like, oh, your destiny number is this, that means this.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and I thin a little box or in isolation rather than pulling it all together.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's completely different.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: So I talked about this is the nine in love, this is the nine in career.
25:01
SPEAKER_01: This is you know, the nine in with money.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: So different numbers in your chart will all little pieces of them will all affect different areas.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: And when you can go, oh, oh, that's me, then you can go, where is this number in my chart?
25:19
SPEAKER_00: And you actually learn what that number is saying to you, not what the definition someone's love that because there's a resonance that comes with reading it, because I do have a copy in PDF and I'm waiting for it.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to get the physical copy because I'm a highlighter and a notes in the margin.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: Because what I felt very much about it is that I imagine that this is a book I'm going to keep going back to, that it's a reference book, because there are lots of books that I can have on Audible or that I can have in a, you know, you know, on my Kindle.
25:53
SPEAKER_00: But this for me is very much one that no, I feel like, and that's my style of, you know, learning and going down the rabbit hole of something that I'm fascinated by.
26:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: No, I did make it to be a true reference, and it um I do think it will have longevity because it's accurate.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I a lot of books aren't even written by numerologists on numerology now, which is kind of a whole new thing where people, you know, and if you think of, you know, AI is great, and I don't anticipate anyone's gonna stop using AI, but you have to think about where AI is getting its information.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
26:35
SPEAKER_01: So for something like this, it's really good if you can have a source.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: And like I said, when you're following people or you're looking to become, you know, more well-rounded in a certain area, just Google the author, see if they're even what they, you know, are writing about.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: Like, are you a numerologist?
26:55
SPEAKER_01: Are you an astrologer?
26:56
SPEAKER_01: Are you, you know, or do you just have a TikTok account and a lot of followers?
27:00
SPEAKER_00: I think I think there's a message in that too for people who are looking to back themselves because we're all out there in one way, you know, continually learning, continually developing.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: We're looking for that next, whether it's a teacher, a mentor, or a coach.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and we've seen the fall of so many spiritual gurus in the last while, or you know, people who've been put up on a pedestal.
27:20
SPEAKER_00: So it's really good for us to do to remember that while we're backing ourselves and investing our time and our money and our energy in other people, then we should do that little bit of due diligence and say, okay, where am I placing my trust?
27:33
SPEAKER_00: Where am I placing my um, you know, am I being discerning about the people that I'm following or my sources of information, you know, particularly for anyone who is hoping to become uh you know some degree of an authority or expert in their in their field.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and if you don't know, say you don't know.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: There's there's nothing to be gained by faking it.
27:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and people sense it.
27:57
SPEAKER_01: And I always say authenticity is magic.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: So yes, it definitely is.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: So I have a little bit of a prickly question for you now because this had been uh going through my mind.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: So how different would the world be if Joy hadn't backed herself?
28:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think of you know I've been very blessed with many fabulous, clients.
28:29
SPEAKER_01: You will attract your clients at the level you're at.
28:33
SPEAKER_01: And so I know as I've progressed through my career, I've attracted people at different levels.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: I've helped people with fertility using numerology.
28:45
SPEAKER_01: So there have been many, I have chills, there have been many babies conceived um with uh through you know clients using numerology.
28:56
SPEAKER_01: Wow, how would the world be different?
28:59
SPEAKER_01: That's a such a great question.
29:01
SPEAKER_01: I have to think about that.
29:03
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna give you that as homework.
29:06
SPEAKER_00: That's your homework.
29:07
SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I actually think all of our listeners should actually take some time to think about that about yourself as well.
29:13
SPEAKER_00: Because if we don't back ourselves, we each of us have a ripple effect out into humanity.
29:19
SPEAKER_00: This is very much how I view my work.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: It's like, okay, if I didn't do that, and sometimes we give ourselves a hard time that we're not reaching enough people, we're not helping enough people, we're not doing enough.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: But think about the absence of who Joy is.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I do think I've introduced numerology to thousands of people that may have not, you know, to say they would have never discovered it.
29:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think I'm a tool, and the universe wanted me to write this book, and everything aligned, and so now that's a tool to reach people.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: So I mean, but you really have to think about the role you're playing in the collective.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, yeah.
30:00
SPEAKER_00: Beautiful, beautiful.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: So, have you any encouragement for any of our listeners who may be out there in listener land, old, you know, grappling with whether they should make this big decision, whether they should back themselves, what they should do.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: Is there anything that stands out to you in this moment that you think um is a pearl of wisdom that you can offer?
30:21
SPEAKER_01: Well, self-awareness is huge.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: You need to have that self-awareness, you need to know how you're being received.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: And that's another thing numerology can help you with.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: Maybe it will trigger things when you know your own chart, you can kind of perceive them a little differently.
30:39
SPEAKER_01: But I think that that is really important, and your numbers can also help reveal the shape or form that your business you know can take.
30:53
SPEAKER_01: So you always have free will, you always can, you know, make decisions and choose your own fork in the road.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: But if you use numerology as a guide, you will have more confidence in how you make decisions, which I think is important.
31:09
SPEAKER_01: But having you know that free thought, that self-awareness, numerology will also tell you should I be an expert?
31:17
SPEAKER_01: Should I be a little more offer everything?
31:21
SPEAKER_01: There are different numbers that can completely excel in offering multiple, you know, modalities or products, and they make their own modality, is something certain numbers do.
31:35
SPEAKER_01: But I believe when you're dialed in, when you um just go with that flow and really trust that the opportunities and the people that you need to meet or help you along the way will show up when you're ready.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: They absolutely will.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, totally agree, totally agree.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh Joy, I would love if you can share with the listeners how they can keep in touch, how they can connect with you, and especially how they can find out about their release for your book.
32:09
SPEAKER_01: Yes, so best way is uh to follow my newsletter.
32:15
SPEAKER_01: So subscribe to my newsletter.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: I promise you I will not inundate you.
32:19
SPEAKER_01: I maybe I my goal is one a month.
32:23
SPEAKER_01: I didn't have not hit that in many years.
32:27
SPEAKER_01: So, but what it will do is when I have something special or I really have something to tell you, you will find out there.
32:34
SPEAKER_01: And if you are thinking about the book, there is a beautiful pre-order, or actually not a pre-order, I'm doing it from release date to January 15th.
32:47
SPEAKER_01: So you can find out all about that at my website.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: So if you're giving it as a gift for Christmas or for the holidays, uh, but following my newsletter is probably the way you get the really good information.
33:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:03
SPEAKER_01: On Instagram, I'm at Joy of Numerology, my website, joyofnumerology.com, Facebook, Joy of Numerology.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: So I'm sensing a theme here.
33:13
SPEAKER_00: That's how you find me.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: We will have everything in the show notes to connect with Joy.
33:19
SPEAKER_00: Joy, thank you so much.
33:21
SPEAKER_00: As always, it's been a joy.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, Diane.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: You're so beautiful.
33:27
SPEAKER_00: Oh, thank you.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: So, folks, that is it.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: That is five plus one amazing uh episodes that we have taken you through.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: So, if this is the first one that you're listening to, please go back and listen to the other five in the this all encouraging you to back yourself and hearing from people who have backed themselves as well.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: So, don't forget to like, share, comment, follow, subscribe, all the good stuff.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: Um, and the show, and another episode will be coming your way very, very soon.