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#78 The Blessing (and Potential Challenges) of Thanks-Giving · Deep-Grace Diving with Tim Wright and Terey Summers

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  The smell of turkey roasting in the oven stuffed with stuffing
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  SPEAKER_02: Sweet potatoes,
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  SPEAKER_02: gravy,
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  SPEAKER_02: pumpkin pie,
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  SPEAKER_02: dairy pie,
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  SPEAKER_02: apple pie,
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  SPEAKER_02: seconds,
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  SPEAKER_02: thirds,
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  SPEAKER_02: take a break,
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  SPEAKER_02: watch some football,
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  SPEAKER_02: load up another plate or two.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe the Macy's Day Parade.
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  SPEAKER_02: Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanksgiving.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if I've done my calculations right, it's tomorrow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now we're recording this a few weeks early.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's tomorrow.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we're going to be doing a Thanksgiving special today.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I have to confess that I was wrong last week.
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  SPEAKER_02: I said it was our 80th podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was actually 76th.
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  SPEAKER_02: when I was going through my list, I saw 75 and I was thinking 79.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this is episode number 77, not, not 81.
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  SPEAKER_02: So 77.
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  SPEAKER_02: So a few more we'll, we'll hit 80 at Christmas time.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of like losing weight though.
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  SPEAKER_02: I like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: The scale goes down.
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  SPEAKER_02: And right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now it's the holidays.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's going to go back up again.
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  SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
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  SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
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  So today we're going to talk about Thanksgiving,
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  and it's a biblical concept.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to talk about why it's so important,
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  SPEAKER_02: but also why for some people it can be a challenge.
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  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes,
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  SPEAKER_02: if we're not careful,
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  we can use the biblical injunction to be thankful as a weapon
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  that really makes
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  SPEAKER_02: people feel guilty.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we kind of want to work our way through that as well.
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  But before we do that,
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  Terry,
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  Arizona Actress of the Year,
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  what year was that?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll have to go look at my plaque.
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  SPEAKER_02: It had to be 1990-something, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was in the 90s.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was literally an illicit thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know we joke about it.
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  It's just we have a mutual friend that continually said that
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  for every year that followed.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, yeah, I was voted Actress of the Year in Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_02: And just so people know, what part did you play that won you that award?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that contributed to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was actually an overtake, but it was Rose Mofford.
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  SPEAKER_01: I played the former governor,
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  SPEAKER_01: Rose Mofford,
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  SPEAKER_01: in a show called Gov the Musical,
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  SPEAKER_01: which was a gubernatorial satire.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which, interestingly, in Arizona, you don't have to make it a satire.
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  SPEAKER_02: It just writes itself.
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  SPEAKER_02: It just writes itself.
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  So when you think about a Thanksgiving day for you,
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  what is the perfect Thanksgiving day?
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  SPEAKER_01: For me, Terry, or are you talking to me?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for you, Terry.
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  SPEAKER_02: For you, Terry, and then we'll ask John.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I do like to cook.
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  The perfect Thanksgiving day would probably be very close to
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  what you described.
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  I like to eat a little earlier so that there's an opportunity
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  to go back later and
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  SPEAKER_01: make a sandwich or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it has family around.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't mind the sports.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not particularly into them,
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  SPEAKER_01: but I kind of feel like they belong back hearing them in the background.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, definitely all the things, all the food, all of it.
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  So one of the things that Jan taught me was a peanut butter and
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  turkey sandwich.
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  SPEAKER_01: What?
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  SPEAKER_02: And now we use almond butter.
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  SPEAKER_02: But almond butter and turkey sandwich, peanut butter and turkey sandwich.
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  SPEAKER_02: I thought, you've got to be kidding me.
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  SPEAKER_02: That sounds horrible.
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  SPEAKER_02: And absolutely amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that does sound interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did she grow up with that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't think she made it up.
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  SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
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  So,
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  yeah,
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  Terry,
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  we try to do our Thanksgiving meal right around 11,
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  1130.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then that way we can have a Thanksgiving dinner at night, too.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I remember the old days.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll get to you, John.
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  SPEAKER_02: I remember when Jan and I were dating.
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  SPEAKER_02: We would go to her house.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'd eat too much.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then we'd go to my family's house for a whole nother round.
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  SPEAKER_02: Holy cow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Holy cow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: We kind of had the same.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Everybody had the same food.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which was fine with me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love Thanksgiving.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think that it's such a great holiday to remind us about gratitude,
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  SPEAKER_03: which we'll probably talk about here a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's a holiday that applies to everybody.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like it's just such it's so natural to.
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not saying that we do this all the time,
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  SPEAKER_03: but the invitation to the,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: grumpy neighbor across the street,
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  that can happen on Thanksgiving because you don't need to know
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  about their faith
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  SPEAKER_03: background.
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  SPEAKER_03: You don't need to know about their political background.
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  SPEAKER_03: Just like, come on over.
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  We've got too much turkey and,
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  you know,
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  we can all choose something to be thankful about.
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  SPEAKER_03: For me though,
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  SPEAKER_03: just to get to the important part,
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  I go right to the sandwich because I'm looking forward to the
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  sandwich all year
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  SPEAKER_03: long.
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  SPEAKER_03: So when we sit down and the carving starts,
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  The buns are open on my plate ready for the appropriate amount
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  of turkey stuffing
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  SPEAKER_03: and cranberry on that bun.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like I don't want to wait.
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  SPEAKER_03: I can't wait like Terry does even a couple of hours.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm going right for it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you put the cranberry on the bun.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: The turkey,
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  SPEAKER_03: the,
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  SPEAKER_03: the,
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  SPEAKER_03: if you,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: the fresh,
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  SPEAKER_03: my mother-in-law used to make the best buns ever.
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  Um,
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  and so she's getting old enough that she doesn't really make
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  them anymore.
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  So we have to move down to the King's Hawaiian bun and then go
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  with the turkey,
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  SPEAKER_03: the stuffing,
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  SPEAKER_03: the,
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  SPEAKER_03: uh,
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  SPEAKER_03: the cranberries all right in there.
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  And,
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  and I'm the only guy at the table that,
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  that already has the sandwiches out.
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  And my family just knows,
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  like,
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  dad's going for the sandwiches right away.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's not messing around.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then,
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  SPEAKER_03: of course,
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  the tradition from both sides of our family is there is some
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  Norwegian lefse on the
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  SPEAKER_03: table.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it is rolled with butter and sugar and cinnamon.
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  And I'm the avant-garde lefse eater that now puts ham and
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  cheese and turkey and
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  SPEAKER_03: cheese in the lefse.
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  And,
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  yeah,
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  grandma raises her eyebrows,
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  I'm sure,
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  in heaven when I do that,
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  but I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: For those of you who don't know what lefse is,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's an Norwegian version of a taco shell,
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  SPEAKER_02: right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like a soft tortilla made with mashed potatoes instead of flour.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's made with mashed potatoes, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: We do the same thing.
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  So Jan every year makes lefse,
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  and she's been trying to teach the grandkids to make it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  It can happen around Thanksgiving or maybe a little later,
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  depending on where all our kids are.
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  SPEAKER_02: When I was a kid, we were living in the Minneapolis area.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we would have Thanksgiving, usually with my grandparents over.
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  SPEAKER_02: And two things stand out.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't do this anymore,
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  SPEAKER_02: but all of us kids,
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  SPEAKER_02: for whatever reason,
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  SPEAKER_02: similar to what you do,
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  SPEAKER_02: John,
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  SPEAKER_02: we would just take everything and put on top of each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: So rather than you're having potatoes here and so on.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you would just make part of this mass.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thanksgiving pie.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like a shepherd's pie almost, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And everything would go on top.
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  SPEAKER_02: But then we would follow that up.
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  SPEAKER_02: We would go downtown Minneapolis and we would go window shopping.
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  SPEAKER_02: People that window shopping, what does that mean?
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  They used to decorate all the big windows in the department
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  stores like they still
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  SPEAKER_02: do in New York City with Christmas scenes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we'd have Thanksgiving and then we'd go down in the cold usually.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that was kind of the kickoff.
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  SPEAKER_02: to the Christmas season.
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  SPEAKER_02: For me now, the Christmas season is November 1st.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we started as soon as Thanksgiving was over,
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  the Christmas trees came out and we slowly start building
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  toward the Christmas
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  SPEAKER_02: season,
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  SPEAKER_02: making sure we do take time for Thanksgiving.
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  So I know that as people listen,
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  everybody has different kinds of traditions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Different kinds of foods are important.
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  SPEAKER_02: depending on the family they grew up in.
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  SPEAKER_02: For many, football is kind of a big deal.
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  um and it usually depends on your teams in arizona we never
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  have a team anywhere
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  near the playoffs this time of year so it doesn't even matter
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  if the cardinals are
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  playing who cares um same with the vikings usually um but it is
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  a time and and this
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  doesn't happen much anymore uh we used to go to church on
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  thanksgiving day we would
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  go to church first and then we would go uh we would have dinner
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  uh usually lunch
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  SPEAKER_02: And now even the church that I was pastoring at,
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  SPEAKER_02: after a while,
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  we just sort of stopped that tradition because people weren't
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  really coming.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we kind of thought, you know, the staff should have a family day.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it is a time for all of us,
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  SPEAKER_02: believers or not,
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  to give thanks because you don't have to be a person of faith
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  to give thanks.
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  SPEAKER_02: But there is something about this spiritual practice of thanksgiving that
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  That is woven into the fabric of both the Jewish faith and the
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  Christian expression
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  SPEAKER_02: of the faith.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to have Terry read a verse for us.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I'm going to read another one.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then we're going to tease these out a little bit and talk about them.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I'm particularly intrigued with this one, Terry.
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  SPEAKER_02: So read it for us from 1 Thessalonians chapter 5, 16 through 18.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Always be joyful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Never stop praying.
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  SPEAKER_01: Be thankful in all circumstances.
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  SPEAKER_01: For this is God's will for you who belong to Christ Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right, so read that verse 18 again.
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  Be thankful in all circumstances,
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  for this is God's will for you who belong to Christ Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  So when you hear that,
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  be thankful in all circumstances,
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  for this is God's will for you.
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  What sort of stands out in that verse that maybe you haven't
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  quite contemplated before?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I have not been thankful in all circumstances, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I don't even know if I did that this last yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: What else?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think God's will for you fills to me...
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, listen up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is a you gotta, kind of.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you want to do and be in God's will.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to do and be in God's will.
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  So then it gives the all circumstances,
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  it gives it a lot of,
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  it makes it bottom heavy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is a thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So this is one of those verses where
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  SPEAKER_02: it's nothing but good news.
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  SPEAKER_02: But if we don't quite hear it correctly, it can be challenging.
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  SPEAKER_02: John sort of mentioned that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I am grateful or thankful in all circumstances.
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  SPEAKER_02: And God's will...
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  we can hear that and sort of say,
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  man,
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  if I'm not thankful,
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  I'm out of God's will.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um,
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  SPEAKER_02: so what,
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  SPEAKER_02: what stands out to me in here,
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  SPEAKER_02: there are a couple of things I think that can be helpful for us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he says, be thankful.
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  SPEAKER_02: What?
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  SPEAKER_02: Darn it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Be thankful.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's not saying be thankful for,
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Big difference.
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  SPEAKER_02: Big difference.
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  There are a lot of things we talked about this in our last
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  podcast when bad things happen.
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  SPEAKER_02: Which was podcast number 76, not number 80.
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  SPEAKER_02: When bad things happen, we don't.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey, God, thank you for giving my wife cancer.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you that, you know, my nephew needs a liver transplant.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you that people are starving today.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't, we're not called to give thanks for all circumstances.
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  So when you hear,
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  I'll let you tease this out a little bit,
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  what you hear.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you hear, give thanks in all circumstances.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: How does that change the vibe of that verse?
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  What do you think Paul is saying there by being thankful in all
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  circumstances?
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  SPEAKER_03: Well,
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  SPEAKER_03: yeah,
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  SPEAKER_03: I think that I'm always amazed that both,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: if you're standing in front of a pastor and a psychologist,
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  for sure one of the things that they're going to agree with is
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  how it is good for
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  SPEAKER_03: you to be grateful in the midst of hardship,
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  SPEAKER_03: right?
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's by design, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: But it's still amazing to me that that is a truth.
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  So there's something about gratefulness and showing gratitude
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  that realigns your
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  heart or your soul with the kind of joy that God wants to bring
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  into your life.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I
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  for sure I have not given thanks in all circumstances but you
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  know let's that I
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  have also not prayed continually or rejoiced always so Terry
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  I'm like 0 for 3 here
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  being in God's will so maybe you should ask Terry well because
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  she was Arizona
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  actress of the year we know that she must get this right as
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  well right Terry amen
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  SPEAKER_01: to that um
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  I'm a little tender to the subject,
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  so I'm really looking for you to weigh in,
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  Tim.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I know that it's surprising.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm listening to what I would normally say,
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  SPEAKER_01: just like John just did,
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  SPEAKER_01: until I've had it said to me the past year and 15 months so much.
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  SPEAKER_01: that it lands weirdly with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: The in, I understand that.
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  I think it has to do with,
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  for me,
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  now I've wrestled,
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  it has to do with keeping my...
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  SPEAKER_01: a perspective, I think, on things.
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  But I have had so many people from the moment they heard
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  Jonathan die say,
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  be grateful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not that he died, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hope not.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: keep a great when my feet hit the ground in the morning,
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  what I have found that helps all folks that none of which had
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  lost a spouse,
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  SPEAKER_01: but still.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am being thankful really helps.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I do believe that it does.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel a buoyancy in my heart and my spirit when I can give thanks.
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  SPEAKER_01: However,
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  SPEAKER_01: it does seem to be sometimes under this sort of umbrella of God's will
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  SPEAKER_01: counterintuitive when you're,
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  SPEAKER_01: when you're really in the midst of suffering.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think though perspective, when I hear it,
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  SPEAKER_01: be thankful in all circumstances.
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  So I'm looking at the character of God and how I am gifted a
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  graciousness from him.
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  So it might be a broader sweeping gratitude than breaking down
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  things that I'm
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  SPEAKER_01: particularly thankful for because that just feels...
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  SPEAKER_01: Do that make sense?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  No,
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  I think that's so Terry,
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  it feels a little,
• 17:39
  it feels a little trite,
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  right?
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
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  is part of what I think you're saying is well-intended comments
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  following a huge
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  SPEAKER_03: tragedy in your life often comes off as not being helpful,
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  SPEAKER_03: right?
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's just a reminder to me that like,
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  SPEAKER_03: The right thing for us to say is, I'm so sorry.
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  SPEAKER_03: And how can I help?
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  SPEAKER_03: And then just leave it at that.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because anything that comes after that is probably not helpful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  I think in those circumstances,
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  it was,
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  forgive me,
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  but a little quippish.
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  SPEAKER_01: However, in the scriptures, not quippish.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking at it and I trust it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I guess I am looking for maybe the dust and
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  to be taken off of it,
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  Tim,
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  if you can weigh in a little bit on that for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think what you both have illustrated is where this beautiful,
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  SPEAKER_02: beautiful passage of Scripture,
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  SPEAKER_02: which is meant to give hope and grace and life,
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  SPEAKER_02: can be used and twisted and misunderstood to make us feel guilty.
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  And it becomes a burden rather than a gift,
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  which happens a lot with Scripture.
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  SPEAKER_02: It becomes a burden rather than a gift.
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  SPEAKER_02: For context, I know Terry's been reading through the Psalms.
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  SPEAKER_02: There are some Psalms there that are pretty heavy-duty lament.
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  SPEAKER_02: where, I mean, they are in the depths of despair.
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  SPEAKER_02: God, why did you allow this to happen, which we talked about last week?
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  SPEAKER_02: Where are you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Why have you abandoned us?
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  Sometimes with anger,
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  God take our enemies' babies and dash them against the stones.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's not really thankful stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's very deep human emotion, and the Bible includes it there.
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  SPEAKER_02: to say to us again,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's okay to be human and to grieve and to be angry,
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  SPEAKER_02: but just give it to God.
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  You don't have to,
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  you don't have to,
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  you can maybe say to God,
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  you know,
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  kill their babies.
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  SPEAKER_02: But then, you know, as you do that, you sort of say, did I just say that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do I really mean that?
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  Because speaking to the creator sort of helps give you
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  perspective as Terry's
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  SPEAKER_02: saying,
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  but it does allow us to just get it all out because those are
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  very real human
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  SPEAKER_02: emotions and there's nothing wrong with them.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's if we act on them wrongly when they become a problem, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Someone hurts us.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we get angry and our initial response is revenge.
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  But bring it to God and then let God sort of put you in a place
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  where his desire
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  SPEAKER_02: for you is a different response,
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  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: His will for you is a different response.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we always want to take verses like this one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Be joyful always.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pray without ceasing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And to put them within the context of the larger scriptures,
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  SPEAKER_02: where even Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: as he's in Gethsemane,
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  SPEAKER_02: God,
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  SPEAKER_02: take this cup from me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then not my will, but yours be done.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right?
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  SPEAKER_02: There was a perspective there for Jesus.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I think, Terry, that you've said it well.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think what Paul is talking about here is a...
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  Let's think of it more relationally rather than behaviorally to
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  begin with.
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  SPEAKER_02: That when we live in a relationship with God,
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  SPEAKER_02: as we talked about in the last podcast,
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  SPEAKER_02: God envelops us with God's grace.
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  SPEAKER_02: God affirms over and over again God's love for us.
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  SPEAKER_02: And because of that...
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  SPEAKER_02: Because of that, we can live with a different perspective in life.
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  SPEAKER_02: That in the end, joy is going to win out.
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  SPEAKER_02: In the end, we can bring these things to God in prayer.
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  And we can live in an attitude of gratefulness where in the
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  moment we may not
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  SPEAKER_02: always be grateful,
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  SPEAKER_02: but what holds us is this understanding that
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  SPEAKER_02: Good is going to have the final word.
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  SPEAKER_02: And if nothing else,
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  SPEAKER_02: when we give thanks or live in a thankful attitude,
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  SPEAKER_02: we're keeping our focus on God rather than on our circumstances.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's part of what Paul's saying here.
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  In all your circumstances,
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  rather than getting sort of stuck and bogged down,
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  SPEAKER_02: rehashing over and over and over again what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: Start to take these circumstances,
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  SPEAKER_02: bring them to God in prayer,
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  SPEAKER_02: cast all your cares onto Jesus because he cares for you,
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  SPEAKER_02: Peter says.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that's an act of thanksgiving.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's not just to say thanks for something,
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  SPEAKER_02: but it's to relinquish the circumstance,
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  SPEAKER_02: the attitudes,
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  the feelings I'm having into the hands of God because an act of
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  thanksgiving
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: giving is to give it to God.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it becomes sort of my sacrifice in a sense,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: that I'm bringing to the altar,
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  SPEAKER_02: for lack of a better word.
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  SPEAKER_02: Certainly there are times,
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  SPEAKER_02: and we know this even from science,
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  SPEAKER_02: that one of the ways to break us out of a funk process
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  SPEAKER_02: out of depression or whatever,
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm not talking clinical depression here,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just talking about being low,
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  SPEAKER_02: is to just start looking around and saying,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know what,
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  SPEAKER_02: God,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just grateful today that I was able to get up and move around.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm grateful for the air that I breathe today.
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  SPEAKER_02: You just start looking for things to say thanks for.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there's something about saying thanks that releases you.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: feel good chemicals in us.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's good.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think it means all of that.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: I don't,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that there are going to be times when,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know,
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  SPEAKER_02: you lose a spouse,
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: you,
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  you go through like Jan and I are going through with her cancer
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  and have been for
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  SPEAKER_02: four years.
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't just say,
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  SPEAKER_02: well,
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  SPEAKER_02: thanks for that,
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  SPEAKER_02: God,
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  SPEAKER_02: but you,
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  SPEAKER_02: you do sort of just live in this,
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  SPEAKER_02: if nothing else,
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  SPEAKER_02: You just let it go and say, I can't do anything about it right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: So God, I'm going to place it in your hands.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think even that can be an act of thanksgiving.
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  And so when Paul says,
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  this is God's will for you,
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  and of course,
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  that's the bigger question.
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  SPEAKER_02: People are always, what's God's will for me?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, be joyful, pray always, and in everything, give thanks.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's God's will for you.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: It really means to live immersed in God's grace.
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  SPEAKER_02: Live in the awareness of,
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  SPEAKER_02: that you are God's son, you are God's daughter.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're always loved.
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  SPEAKER_02: God's always there for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that brings about a joy that doesn't always mean happiness.
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  SPEAKER_02: It can mean stability.
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  That awareness becomes a kind of prayer because it's a
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  relationship,
• 24:54
  not just a conversation.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then giving thanks is just to relinquish that stuff into God's hands.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then as best you can,
• 25:05
  try to practice just focusing on the gifts that you want to
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  thank God for in that moment.
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  SPEAKER_02: We can't do it all the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Certainly you can say,
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  SPEAKER_02: when Jonathan passed away,
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: God,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm grateful for the time we had together.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: But, doggone it, we needed more time together.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm angry about that.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm grieving about that.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm heart sick over that.
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  and so I think to just live in the awareness that in that
• 25:39
  moment of grieving as
• 25:40
  deeply as it hurts it's not deeper than God's love for you
• 25:45
  that's good as deep as
• 25:47
  it hurts I gotta write that down as deep as it hurts God's love
• 25:52
  is deeper than that
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: yes and it's living in that awareness and
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  SPEAKER_02: And it can be just a quick thought.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that for a lot of us as Christians,
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  SPEAKER_02: we somehow sometimes get obsessed having to do certain things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I got to give thanks more.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_02: I got to pray more.
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  When I think sometimes God just wants us to be still and know
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  that God is God.
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  SPEAKER_02: And just be human.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just feel the feels.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, do with those feels what you need to do.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that means that's being human.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's being what God created you to be.
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  And that in a way is living with joy and praying always and
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  giving thanks in all circumstances.
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  It's just saying,
• 26:47
  okay,
• 26:47
  God,
• 26:47
  in this moment,
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  I'm going to grieve like a child of God.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to maybe say some words that I shouldn't say,
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: but I'm going to say them anyway,
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: because you're big enough to take it.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: You probably already heard them.
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  SPEAKER_02: or I'm going to vent some feelings right now.
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  And I can do that in the confidence of knowing no matter what I
• 27:05
  say to God,
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: God's still going to love me.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: And that's living within the desire of God, if that makes any sense.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: It does.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: It does.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: But again,
• 27:17
  let's not downplay the power of just taking a moment to say
• 27:21
  thanks for things and
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: how it does sort of...
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  SPEAKER_02: boost our dopamine or whatever it is that's going on.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: And they're the chemicals that make us feel better.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: But Paul says in Philippians, always be full of joy in the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_02: I say it again, rejoice.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: Let everyone see that you are considerate in all you do.
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  SPEAKER_02: Remember the Lord is coming soon.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_02: We talked a few weeks ago about how Paul kind of missed it on that one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Don't worry about anything.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_02: Instead, pray about everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: Tell God what you need and thank him for all he has done.
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  Then you will experience God's peace,
• 28:04
  which exceeds anything you can understand.
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  SPEAKER_02: His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: Now that sounds like a little if-then, right?
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  If you bring your anxieties to God,
• 28:15
  if you give thanks,
• 28:17
  then you'll experience peace.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: So let's tease that out a little bit.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_02: God's peace is already given.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's already a promise to you, right?
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: But some of us,
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: just kind of the life we've been raised in and the way we live,
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: sometimes we think thoughts that sort of block out that peace.
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  SPEAKER_02: We just ruminate on how bad it is and I'm just angry at everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: Peace is still there, but we just kind of block it out.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: And what Paul's saying here is peace is already there.
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  SPEAKER_02: So breathe it in, live it and breathe it out again.
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  SPEAKER_02: Breathe it in and breathe it out.
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  And one of the ways that we breathe in and breathe out peace is
• 29:02
  to give thanks.
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  And,
• 29:06
  you know,
• 29:06
  sometimes that thanks is just,
• 29:08
  God,
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  thank you for loving me today.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for gracing me today.
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  SPEAKER_02: God,
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  SPEAKER_02: I have nothing to be thankful for at all,
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: but I'm thankful I could just say I'm not thankful for anything today.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just breathe it in, breathe it out, breathe it in, breathe it out.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's already there.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: But we just have, we tend to breathe in.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  I think what somebody said somewhere that we have so many
• 29:32
  thoughts a day and 70% of
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: them are negative or whatever it is,
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: right?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: And Thanksgiving is the counter, the antidote to that.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: To just breathe in and breathe out peace by giving thanks.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: It re-centers us into God, into God's grace and
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: And thanksgiving is a way to be still and know that God is God.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot there, right, to unpack?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's about being.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's about saying.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's about doing.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: But all of it is within the context that you're already loved.
• 30:05
  And no matter what you're going through,
• 30:07
  no matter what you say to God,
• 30:08
  you're still loved.
• 30:10
  yeah yeah yeah and tim i can be a um you know at times
• 30:15
  absolutely an expert dweller
• 30:17
  like really good at dwelling and i think um what i hear you
• 30:23
  saying uh and reminding
• 30:25
  us at least and the scripture is saying to us is um you know if
• 30:29
  there's times when
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: you're it's really tough
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's okay to not be thankful at that moment.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's okay to be, I'm just, you know, I'm mad and I'm grieving whatever.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_03: And this is a really hard time.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I, I, I don't want to be thankful now.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: And then if you're like me,
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: not too soon after that,
• 30:49
  you will be thankful for a God that doesn't require your thanks
• 30:52
  all the time and
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_03: loves you even in those moments,
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: right?
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: So it's hard not to fall back on some gratitude along the way.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: And it's certainly been helpful to me, for sure, as you hit life's downs.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, Paul, this is in Philippians 4 again, right after he says...
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  tell God what you need,
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  thank Him for it,
• 31:15
  then you'll experience God's peace.
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  SPEAKER_02: He goes on.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now,
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: dear brothers and sisters,
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  SPEAKER_02: one final thing,
• 31:19
  fix your thoughts on what is true and honorable and right and
• 31:24
  pure and lovely and
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: admirable.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: Think about these things that are excellent and worthy of praise.
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  SPEAKER_02: Keep putting them into practice, putting them into practice.
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  SPEAKER_02: All you've learned,
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: received from me,
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: everything you've heard from me,
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_02: and then the God of peace will be with you.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: And again, it sounds like if then...
• 31:42
  But what Paul is essentially saying is because the God of peace
• 31:45
  is with you,
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: you can think differently.
• 31:51
  You can focus your thoughts differently and focus on what is
• 31:55
  good and noble and honorable.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: Now think about grief for a moment because we're kind of on that.
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  Grief is a good,
• 32:03
  honorable,
• 32:04
  noble emotion and feeling because grief comes out of deep love.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: So there's nothing wrong.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: We always want to say to people, I just read a kid's book the other day.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: It was really good on grief until the person said,
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: now Uncle Bill,
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: or whatever his name was,
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: he wouldn't want you to feel sad when he dies.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, just think of what that does to somebody.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sad, but now he doesn't want me to be sad, so I can't be sad.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: But grief is an honorable, noble experience and feeling.
• 32:42
  If I don't grieve,
• 32:44
  if I grieve,
• 32:44
  I feel guilty because I'm not supposed to grieve.
• 32:46
  And if I don't grieve,
• 32:47
  it means I didn't love my partner enough or my brother or
• 32:50
  sister,
• 32:50
  right?
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: Just grieve.
• 32:53
  So Paul isn't saying we shouldn't have sad thoughts or
• 32:58
  heavy-hearted thoughts.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_02: He's just saying...
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  SPEAKER_02: be human,
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  SPEAKER_02: but don't get stuck where John is saying he gets stuck,
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  SPEAKER_02: and a lot of us do,
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  SPEAKER_02: where it's just that downward spiral of,
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  SPEAKER_02: oh,
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  SPEAKER_02: this is really bad,
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  SPEAKER_02: and now it's going to get worse,
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  SPEAKER_02: and yeah,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's cloudy,
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  SPEAKER_02: it's probably going to rain,
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  SPEAKER_02: and if it rains,
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  SPEAKER_02: then it's going to ruin my dress,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it's going to ruin my car,
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  SPEAKER_02: and now I can't go here.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we can talk ourselves into the worst of things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Paul's saying you can also talk yourself
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  into good things and you can do that because you love and
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  thanksgiving is part of
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  the way to do that but it's all rooted in a god who's faithful
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  because god is
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  faithful we can give thanks we don't give thanks so that we can
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  experience god's
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  SPEAKER_02: peace we give thanks because we have we are the inheritors of god's peace
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't give thanks so that God will love us.
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  SPEAKER_02: We give thanks because God loves us.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anything else on Thanksgiving?
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  SPEAKER_03: Thankful for you, Terry.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thankful for you, Tim.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, John.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, John.
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  SPEAKER_01: Same, same.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: How about next week, which will be the first...
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  SPEAKER_02: week,
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  SPEAKER_02: I think of Advent officially or the Christmas season,
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  SPEAKER_02: we tackle the question,
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  SPEAKER_02: is there really a war against Christmas?
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  And we'll just say in the United States of America,
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  is there really a war against Christmas?
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  SPEAKER_02: And it comes up all the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: So let's talk about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: That'll be on the Deep Grace Diving podcast.
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  SPEAKER_02: That will be episode number 78 of
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  SPEAKER_00: And we'll get the number.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're thankful.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're thankful for all our listeners.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's looking at me.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's wondering what's going on here with the music.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there it comes.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's coming back.
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  SPEAKER_03: Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: All right, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you're still listening, we'll see you later.
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  SPEAKER_02: Bye.