Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 1007: Foundations - Why Winter Scouting is the Best Method for Pinning Down Fall Buck Travel
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:23Speaker 2: which has brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
- 0:25Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about winter scouting
- 0:28Speaker 2: and what it really teaches.
- 0:29Speaker 3: Us about bluck travel.
- 0:37Speaker 2: A lot of these shows come to be because I
- 0:39Speaker 2: talk to a lot of hunters, and of the hunters
- 0:42Speaker 2: I talk to, there's a lot of variability and experience
- 0:45Speaker 2: and drive and an interest in just general knowledge. Sometimes
- 0:49Speaker 2: it reminds me of what people generally don't know, or
- 0:52Speaker 2: reminds me that some things could use better explanations. One
- 0:55Speaker 2: of the things that seems simple to me is winter scouting,
- 0:58Speaker 2: but when I talk to most people about it, the
- 1:00Speaker 2: truth is they don't even consider it or understand the
- 1:02Speaker 2: benefits of going out now to figure out buck travel
- 1:05Speaker 2: in the fall. That's a huge mistake, and that's something
- 1:08Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about right now. There's a fell
- 1:18Speaker 2: at the gym I go to who did his time
- 1:20Speaker 2: in the Navy, and now, even though he's retired from that,
- 1:23Speaker 2: gig still works the early shift at the pool as
- 1:26Speaker 2: a lifeguard. Since I see him quite a bit, we
- 1:29Speaker 2: always have a little chat if he's on duty and
- 1:31Speaker 2: I'm at it into the steam room after a workout.
- 1:33Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened this morning, and he asked me
- 1:36Speaker 2: if I'd been off on any real adventures lately. I
- 1:39Speaker 2: told him the only thing I've done this month besides
- 1:41Speaker 2: pheasant hunting for the first couple of days here in
- 1:43Speaker 2: Minnesota was a Nebraska upland trip I had to cut
- 1:46Speaker 2: short when my lab hit an old barbed wire fence
- 1:48Speaker 2: tucked into the grass and sent us on a mission
- 1:50Speaker 2: to find an emergency event. Because of that and the
- 1:53Speaker 2: fact that I've spent most of the months stuck in
- 1:55Speaker 2: the house or watching eighth grade girls basketball in random
- 1:59Speaker 2: schools scattered through the Twin Cities, I'm going a little
- 2:02Speaker 2: stir crazy. Stir crazy enough, in fact, to impulsively plan
- 2:05Speaker 2: a trip to western Minnesota to walk some public cattail
- 2:08Speaker 2: sleus for a few days.
- 2:09Speaker 3: The mission is to figure out where.
- 2:10Speaker 2: Bucks like to walk, and if I happen to find
- 2:13Speaker 2: a shad antler or maybe bump into some cottontails while
- 2:15Speaker 2: I'm carrying my twenty gage, so be it.
- 2:18Speaker 3: That's two more reasons than I need to.
- 2:19Speaker 2: Actually go there and get away from the suburbs for
- 2:22Speaker 2: a few days while trying to stave off this cabin fever.
- 2:25Speaker 2: When I explain this to the fell at the gym,
- 2:27Speaker 2: he said, you're going to go scout deer. Now, he
- 2:30Speaker 2: didn't even understand the assignment. And this is someone who
- 2:33Speaker 2: hunts deer and has for a long time. I could
- 2:35Speaker 2: see the wheels turning, and he just couldn't make the
- 2:38Speaker 2: connection between walking some cat tail slews now and shooting
- 2:42Speaker 2: a buck in November. Now here's the thing about winter scouting.
- 2:46Speaker 2: A lot of the folks who lead the industry in
- 2:48Speaker 2: deer content don't have to do it. It doesn't make
- 2:51Speaker 2: any sense if you have a lot of land and
- 2:53Speaker 2: a lot of food plots, and a lot of trail
- 2:55Speaker 2: cameras and not a lot of hunting competition. So much
- 2:59Speaker 2: of the content that's out there is built around properties
- 3:02Speaker 2: where winter scouting just doesn't make very much sense. Now,
- 3:06Speaker 2: I always think about stuff like this and how much
- 3:09Speaker 2: our individual circumstances vary. And it makes me think of
- 3:12Speaker 2: a conversation I had with an outfitter in Texas one
- 3:15Speaker 2: time when I was sent down there to film a
- 3:17Speaker 2: show for bow Hunter TV. The stand they put me
- 3:20Speaker 2: in was over a feeder and next to a pond,
- 3:23Speaker 2: which is a one to two punch in Texas that
- 3:25Speaker 2: will produce more deer sightings in a morning than a
- 3:27Speaker 2: lot of us can round up in a couple of
- 3:29Speaker 2: weeks on our home ground. It's also a great way
- 3:31Speaker 2: to shoot some pigs and just generally have a Candyland
- 3:34Speaker 2: style hunt. But when the outfitter picked me up after
- 3:37Speaker 2: my morning sit, just out a curiosity, I asked him,
- 3:40Speaker 2: why do you put that set up there? Specifically, why
- 3:43Speaker 2: would he run a feeder in that exact spot? And
- 3:46Speaker 2: he looked at me like I just asked him why
- 3:47Speaker 2: we just can't go around petting crocodiles in the wild,
- 3:50Speaker 2: or why babies wear diapers when we could just let
- 3:52Speaker 2: them shit on the floor, you know, something really dumb anyway,
- 3:55Speaker 2: and his response was, Uh, we put the feeders there
- 3:58Speaker 2: because that's where we want to year ago. Yeah, yeah, duh, right,
- 4:03Speaker 2: no winter scouting needed with that plan. But if you're
- 4:06Speaker 2: listening to this, you might need to winter scout, and
- 4:09Speaker 2: you should, but you should understand what the point is first. Now,
- 4:12Speaker 2: on the surface, you're supposed to go out and find
- 4:15Speaker 2: some buck sign, remember it, and then go back to
- 4:17Speaker 2: that sign next year on about Halloween and then shoot
- 4:20Speaker 2: a giant.
- 4:21Speaker 3: Easy peasy.
- 4:22Speaker 2: Now, look, finding rubs and scrapes right now to use
- 4:25Speaker 2: as a jumping off point for your hunts next season
- 4:27Speaker 2: is never a bad idea.
- 4:28Speaker 3: I do that shit a lot.
- 4:30Speaker 2: But I've come to realize that it's not just about
- 4:32Speaker 2: finding that sweet staging area or a bedding area and
- 4:35Speaker 2: a spot where the cottontails might live right now, it's
- 4:38Speaker 2: about mature buck travel. Scratch that, it's actually just about
- 4:41Speaker 2: buck travel, because it's all kind of the same thing. Now,
- 4:44Speaker 2: nothing piques the interest of deer hunters more than the
- 4:47Speaker 2: travel strategies of big bucks.
- 4:49Speaker 3: We like to.
- 4:50Speaker 2: Predict locations they might show up at, which we mostly
- 4:53Speaker 2: get wrong because of many reasons, and that's great. But
- 4:56Speaker 2: learning how bucks move through the woods and fields and
- 4:58Speaker 2: swamps and whatever is what kills big bucks. When I
- 5:02Speaker 2: head to western Minnesota to see what I can do
- 5:04Speaker 2: about finding a buck. Next season, I'm just gonna walk trails.
- 5:07Speaker 2: I'm going to look at on x a lot and
- 5:09Speaker 2: try to find the spots where the travel will allow
- 5:12Speaker 2: them to stay dry when the sleus are full of water,
- 5:14Speaker 2: and stay hidden when the cover around them might be
- 5:17Speaker 2: full of hunters. This is something really any white tail
- 5:20Speaker 2: hunter can do and should. It's really something you should
- 5:23Speaker 2: do if you hunt someplace where the hunting is well tough.
- 5:27Speaker 2: I hear a lot of people in my home state
- 5:29Speaker 2: of Minnesota and across the river in Wisconsin talk about
- 5:32Speaker 2: how the North Country absolutely sucks to hunt because of
- 5:34Speaker 2: the wolves, and they're not wrong. But the wolves aren't
- 5:38Speaker 2: going away, and neither are the deer. But they also
- 5:40Speaker 2: aren't going to let you get away with hunting on
- 5:42Speaker 2: memories of times when the deer population was higher and
- 5:46Speaker 2: the wolf population was lower. The same rules apply for
- 5:50Speaker 2: all the Deep South hunters, many of whom like to
- 5:52Speaker 2: tell me that their hunting is much harder than anything
- 5:54Speaker 2: I've ever done, you know, which is tied to their
- 5:57Speaker 2: sense of pride that I actually really like until they
- 5:59Speaker 2: start talking either asked about hunting regions of the country
- 6:01Speaker 2: they've never been to, but a lot of them do
- 6:04Speaker 2: have really tough hunting, and a lot of people in
- 6:06Speaker 2: between them and myself and out east have tough hunting too.
- 6:11Speaker 2: There's a lot of difficult hunting out there, and a
- 6:13Speaker 2: lot of that tough hunting isn't because it would be
- 6:16Speaker 2: tough for someone who is really good to go there
- 6:18Speaker 2: and fill some tags, but because they aren't really good
- 6:21Speaker 2: at figuring out where bucks like to walk and then
- 6:23Speaker 2: getting in there to shoot them. And I don't mean
- 6:26Speaker 2: that as a slight, it's just reality. And I know
- 6:29Speaker 2: this because I travel a lot, and I get to
- 6:31Speaker 2: enough places where I can't easily find where big ones
- 6:34Speaker 2: like to travel because it's tough. But that gets easier
- 6:37Speaker 2: the more I get to winter scout certain places like
- 6:40Speaker 2: the mostly barren land in western Minnesota that is pock
- 6:43Speaker 2: marked with small woodlots and wet slews, where deer walk
- 6:46Speaker 2: in those spots now they will walk during the rut.
- 6:50Speaker 2: Now not saying February travel is exactly the same as
- 6:53Speaker 2: November travel, because it's generally not. But there are spots
- 6:56Speaker 2: you can find in February where the bucks are walking now,
- 7:00Speaker 2: and those same spots are where those same bucks will
- 7:03Speaker 2: travel in November. Let me give you an example that
- 7:17Speaker 2: I found pheasant hunting at the end of the season
- 7:18Speaker 2: here in Minnesota that I'm going.
- 7:20Speaker 3: To go walk in a couple of days.
- 7:23Speaker 2: In fact, it's a property A hunted for our second
- 7:25Speaker 2: season of one week in November, where I had a
- 7:27Speaker 2: few dos living right around me, but never saw a buck.
- 7:30Speaker 2: I also talked to a hunter who I was sharing
- 7:32Speaker 2: the same woodlot with, which didn't.
- 7:34Speaker 3: Help at that hunt.
- 7:35Speaker 2: Now, that property is big, like nine hundred acres big,
- 7:38Speaker 2: and it contains a couple of small woodlots, a huge
- 7:41Speaker 2: amount of cattails, and two different sleughs, and along a
- 7:44Speaker 2: meandering stream, and it's just surrounded by aggfields. So in September,
- 7:50Speaker 2: some of the bucks in the neighborhood probably live on
- 7:52Speaker 2: the private land around that public because there's, you know,
- 7:55Speaker 2: just enough cover everywhere. But when the crops start coming
- 7:58Speaker 2: out and the woods stind up a little bit, they
- 8:00Speaker 2: likely move into that public it's just the best cover.
- 8:03Speaker 3: And they certainly live there.
- 8:04Speaker 2: Now because it's by far the best geothermal cover they
- 8:08Speaker 2: have available and they've needed it in the last few weeks. Now,
- 8:11Speaker 2: that spot I found while looking to round out my
- 8:14Speaker 2: limited roosters. It's just a thin spine of ground that
- 8:17Speaker 2: connects two wooded ridges. It's long, probably like a third
- 8:21Speaker 2: of a mile of that spine of land, with very
- 8:24Speaker 2: few trees, and it's just not very visible. But the
- 8:28Speaker 2: trail through there was pounded, and I mean pounded. The
- 8:31Speaker 2: plumb thickets along the edge of it were all rubbed up.
- 8:34Speaker 2: It was just one of those travel routes where you
- 8:36Speaker 2: realize that if you could post up there for a
- 8:38Speaker 2: week in the beginning of November, someone interesting is eventually
- 8:41Speaker 2: going to walk down the trail. The downside is that
- 8:44Speaker 2: from what I saw while following my lab through there,
- 8:47Speaker 2: you know that ambush options were very limited.
- 8:50Speaker 3: There are just very few suitable trees.
- 8:53Speaker 2: And being on the ground there means being low and
- 8:56Speaker 2: probably wet not ideal. So I need to figure that
- 8:59Speaker 2: out and I'm gonna try. I'm also going to see
- 9:02Speaker 2: if there are spurs off of that trail that might
- 9:05Speaker 2: allow for me to set up just off of it,
- 9:07Speaker 2: or in a way where I'm not directly in their
- 9:09Speaker 2: line of travel every time I hunt there. Essentially, that
- 9:12Speaker 2: spine of land is one location where bucks will certainly
- 9:15Speaker 2: travel during the rut. But I need to walk it
- 9:17Speaker 2: now and figure out not only how they might use it,
- 9:20Speaker 2: but where I could get in and shoot them. If
- 9:23Speaker 2: I can hunt just walking in and seeing lots of
- 9:27Speaker 2: tracks and rubs, it's great, but that doesn't put me
- 9:30Speaker 2: at a huge advantage for next season. That's the thing
- 9:32Speaker 2: about winter scouting. While you can get a false read now,
- 9:36Speaker 2: especially if you live where the winters are real and
- 9:38Speaker 2: the deer going to survival mode, you could also use
- 9:41Speaker 2: this time to figure out where bucks are most likely
- 9:43Speaker 2: to travel during the pre rut and the rut. A
- 9:46Speaker 2: simple way to think about this is to understand the
- 9:48Speaker 2: value of walking a trail out now. While we off
- 9:51Speaker 2: in summer scout or in season scout, and we see
- 9:55Speaker 2: trails that we walk a little ways down or mostly
- 9:57Speaker 2: just cross, it's not all that to walk them out when.
- 10:01Speaker 3: It's close to the hunting season.
- 10:03Speaker 2: You're just not going to backtrack a trail off of
- 10:05Speaker 2: the beanfield to where the bucks might be betting in
- 10:07Speaker 2: the middle of September, because that would be a great
- 10:09Speaker 2: way to ruin your chances. But in February that's exactly
- 10:13Speaker 2: what you should do. This is an exercise in figuring
- 10:16Speaker 2: out the why behind travel, and not just that travel
- 10:19Speaker 2: happens in certain spots. Sometimes. Think about a fence crossing.
- 10:24Speaker 2: For example, You might never need to know anything more
- 10:27Speaker 2: than deer like to hop across a fence in a
- 10:29Speaker 2: certain spot because the barbeyre SAG's low there.
- 10:32Speaker 3: That's great.
- 10:33Speaker 2: But what if you find that fence crossing now and
- 10:35Speaker 2: you backtrack it into the cover. What if it leads
- 10:38Speaker 2: you to an island, a high ground in a swamp,
- 10:40Speaker 2: or a little water hole tucked into the cover, or
- 10:42Speaker 2: maybe just to a spot where a washout funnels them
- 10:45Speaker 2: through a specific not too steep section. Now, what if
- 10:48Speaker 2: that spot is good for a south wind, but the crossing,
- 10:52Speaker 2: that fence crossing is only good for a west wind.
- 10:54Speaker 2: Instead of being like, well, I can't hunt the crossing
- 10:57Speaker 2: because of the wind, you have a backup plan for
- 11:00Speaker 2: another set of conditions.
- 11:01Speaker 3: And what if you walk that spot out and you.
- 11:04Speaker 2: Find that ravine crossing and you go back there to
- 11:06Speaker 2: hang a camera in July after you already hung one
- 11:09Speaker 2: on the fence crossing. What if those two cameras show
- 11:12Speaker 2: you that the doughs always come out first, but the
- 11:15Speaker 2: bucks linger back in the thick stuff. Now you have
- 11:18Speaker 2: a trail big bucks use, but you start to understand
- 11:21Speaker 2: the details that allow you to target them on that
- 11:24Speaker 2: trail in a specific spot when they are most vulnerable,
- 11:28Speaker 2: instead of crossing your fingers and hoping they hit that
- 11:30Speaker 2: low spot on the fence when you're there, you can
- 11:32Speaker 2: set yourself up so much better by just walking that
- 11:35Speaker 2: trail out. A lot of times, when I do this
- 11:38Speaker 2: kind of thing in the winter, I'll find a trail
- 11:40Speaker 2: I want to walk out that will spoke out in
- 11:42Speaker 2: some sort of hub back in the cover. Now you're
- 11:45Speaker 2: onto something that is really interesting, and it's generally a
- 11:48Speaker 2: matter of very little effort at a time when there
- 11:50Speaker 2: isn't a hell of a lot else to do. Now,
- 11:52Speaker 2: this strategy works really well in spots like western Minnesota
- 11:55Speaker 2: because the deer generally have to go through certain areas.
- 11:58Speaker 2: But what if you hunt the big woods it's pretty flat.
- 12:00Speaker 2: What if you hunt an area where the terrain just
- 12:03Speaker 2: isn't going to give you easy pinch points? Again, this
- 12:07Speaker 2: is a situation where winter scouting is a better idea
- 12:09Speaker 2: for figuring out big buck travel than just about anything
- 12:12Speaker 2: else you can do. When I get the chance, even
- 12:14Speaker 2: though it might not be until March, I'm heading over
- 12:17Speaker 2: to northern Wisconsin to do do this on a huge
- 12:19Speaker 2: chunk of public land I started hunting last season. It's
- 12:21Speaker 2: almost all timber, but there are some trout streams, you know,
- 12:25Speaker 2: some valleys, some hills, and some interesting terrain. What I
- 12:28Speaker 2: don't know really is how the bucks use that terrain
- 12:31Speaker 2: in the spots I want to hunt. And what I
- 12:34Speaker 2: know about low density deer in a lot of woods
- 12:38Speaker 2: is that they generally have no problem staying hidden, and
- 12:41Speaker 2: I generally have a hell of a time finding them.
- 12:43Speaker 2: But this time of year will show me where they
- 12:46Speaker 2: side hill, where they might be scratching up what's left
- 12:48Speaker 2: of red oak acorns, how they cross those trout streams,
- 12:52Speaker 2: and where they go once they do in that situation.
- 12:55Speaker 2: When I walk out trails, I'll walk a lot, and
- 12:59Speaker 2: if I find something interesting, my mind always goes to
- 13:01Speaker 2: the wind over there. They are in a predator dense
- 13:04Speaker 2: environment and they live in thick cover.
- 13:07Speaker 3: Their nose is.
- 13:08Speaker 2: Their safety and they use it to travel all the time.
- 13:13Speaker 2: Finding a tree to get into super easy because trees
- 13:16Speaker 2: are everywhere. But finding a tree that allows me to
- 13:19Speaker 2: be on the trail when they travel it while thinking
- 13:21Speaker 2: they can't smell danger is another thing. And This isn't
- 13:24Speaker 2: just a public land strategy either. If you want to
- 13:27Speaker 2: learn how to kill deer on your home farm, you
- 13:29Speaker 2: need to learn how they travel on it and through it.
- 13:32Speaker 2: You should ask yourself why they come from the neighbor's
- 13:35Speaker 2: property at this spot, or at this time of year,
- 13:38Speaker 2: or what they do when they don't come into your
- 13:40Speaker 2: food plot. You'll still find plenty of time to leave
- 13:43Speaker 2: a bunch of rubs one hundred yards off the clover
- 13:45Speaker 2: back in the thick stuff. To be a good deer hunter,
- 13:48Speaker 2: you have to understand how to go to them and
- 13:51Speaker 2: not just expect them to come to you, if.
- 13:53Speaker 3: That makes any sense.
- 13:54Speaker 2: I think a lot of current deer hunting advice centers
- 13:56Speaker 2: on finding situations where the bucks will eventually show up.
- 14:00Speaker 2: That means a lot of sits in a lot of
- 14:01Speaker 2: days where they won't show up or we won't be there.
- 14:04Speaker 2: Making an honest effort to understand where they travel and
- 14:08Speaker 2: why is a way to get yourself into the mindset
- 14:10Speaker 2: that you're never really out of the game, or at
- 14:14Speaker 2: least you won't be out of the game nearly as
- 14:16Speaker 2: much as someone who has a spot or two and
- 14:18Speaker 2: likes to hunt while crossing his fingers and toes. I
- 14:21Speaker 2: like to try to understand why deer do what they do,
- 14:23Speaker 2: and not in a general sense, but in a property
- 14:26Speaker 2: specific kind of sense, because that's what I have.
- 14:29Speaker 3: To work with.
- 14:30Speaker 2: And I know that even though a buck in western
- 14:32Speaker 2: Minnesota isn't living in the same kind of cover as
- 14:34Speaker 2: a deer in a pine desert in Georgia, they both
- 14:36Speaker 2: generally want to live as long as they can and
- 14:39Speaker 2: breed as many does as possible, and spend their year
- 14:41Speaker 2: hydrated and not too hungry and as relaxed as possible.
- 14:45Speaker 2: They do this by knowing the ground better than we
- 14:47Speaker 2: ever could, because they live there and we just don't.
- 14:51Speaker 3: We also walk.
- 14:51Speaker 2: Into the woods confident nothing is going to shoot us
- 14:54Speaker 2: or eat us, and that means their reasons for walking
- 14:57Speaker 2: somewhere are just different from ours. They don't want us
- 15:00Speaker 2: to know how they do it, But the truth is
- 15:02Speaker 2: we can learn this stuff, and a really easy way
- 15:05Speaker 2: to do this is by getting out now and figuring
- 15:07Speaker 2: out where they.
- 15:07Speaker 3: Like to walk, because they'll show you.
- 15:09Speaker 2: And once they do and you spend some time putting
- 15:12Speaker 2: in the miles, you'll realize that this isn't just a
- 15:15Speaker 2: winter thing, it's a window into their habits and their
- 15:18Speaker 2: thought processes on how to survive and move efficiently and
- 15:22Speaker 2: find those and not find humans who want to kill them.
- 15:24Speaker 2: It's a crash course on buck behavior and you should
- 15:27Speaker 2: attend if you can. You should also come back next
- 15:30Speaker 2: week because I'm going to talk about e scouting and
- 15:33Speaker 2: why so many of us get it wrong and kind
- 15:36Speaker 2: of underutilize the tools we have available to us. Today,
- 15:41Speaker 2: that's it for this week. I'm Tony Peterson. This has
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