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Joe Rogan Experience _1929 - Louis CK(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: I never thought about... Yeah, there's a lot of shit
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  Speaker 1: going on over there.
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  Speaker 2: That thing is weird.
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  Speaker 1: What, this thing right here? What is that? Oh, that's
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  Speaker 1: a piece of art. That comes from Beeple. Beeple crap
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram. Beeple is a digital artist. He puts up
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  Speaker 1: a new piece of digital art every day. And he
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  Speaker 1: came in to do the podcast, and he gave us
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  Speaker 1: this thing. That's Elon Musk, if he was jacked, like
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  Speaker 1: once genetic engineering comes along.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to grab a paper towel.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Glasses are brutal. I wear reading glasses when I try
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  Speaker 1: to look at my phone in the morning. Jesus fucking Christ.
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  Speaker 1: Every day I'm going a little blinder. Yes, you are.
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  Speaker 1: Every day.
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  Speaker 2: That's just the way it goes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're just such intricate little machines, and they're organic,
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  Speaker 2: so they just start to soften on you.
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  Speaker 1: I had a guy in the other day, Bilal Muhammad.
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  Speaker 1: He's a UFC fighter who's had a detached retina and
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  Speaker 1: a detached lens on his other eye, on both eyes.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you're talking to people like that, and the
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  Speaker 1: game they're playing is you're punching people in the face,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of times thumbs go in the eyes
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  Speaker 1: because UFC gloves have open fingers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: So occasionally guys accidentally get poked in the eye. Fucking terrifying.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's the reason I wouldn't ever, I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of reasons I wouldn't be a pro fighter, but
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  Speaker 2: that's it. Now, if it wasn't for the eyes, I'd
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  Speaker 2: be all over it.
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  Speaker 1: They can kind of fix them a little bit. You
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  Speaker 1: remember when Sugar Ray Leonard had a detached retina and
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  Speaker 1: he retired from the sport and everybody's like, holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: And then he came back and everybody's like, he's back.
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  Speaker 1: I think he needed the money, but I think he
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  Speaker 1: also needed the thrills.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be those guys retired so young and
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  Speaker 2: then was left a huge expanse of life ahead of you.
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  Speaker 1: Not just that, it's like the things that you've looked
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  Speaker 1: forward to are these enormous events where you're in your
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  Speaker 1: underwear and you're walking out in front of this gigantic
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  Speaker 1: group of people that's there to watch you slam your
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  Speaker 1: fists into someone's face.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you've worked up to it, too. All the
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  Speaker 2: training and the getting ready, the challenging someone, the setting
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  Speaker 2: the fight, and where it is in your career. Are
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  Speaker 2: you challenging? Are you defending? So it's like a year.
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  Speaker 2: A fight's like a year of your life. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: in boxing. UFC, they fight more often, right, I guess?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Depends. Depends on the fighter. Depends on,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what stage they are in their career.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the guys like to fight more often just
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  Speaker 1: to stay comfortable. Right. Because otherwise the moment's so big. Yes. Like,
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  Speaker 1: when you have more fights, like, you can relax and
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  Speaker 1: you just keep going. Yeah, it's more.
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  Speaker 2: I remember Ali describing, somebody asked him, does he get nervous?
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  Speaker 2: He was a great guy because he wasn't a bullshitter. Like,
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  Speaker 2: he bullshitted when it was time to sell the fight.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But whenever anybody asked him things like that, he was honest.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody asked him, do you get nervous? He said, every
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  Speaker 2: fight I get really nervous. When I come out to
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  Speaker 2: the ring, I feel like I can't do this. And
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  Speaker 2: that guy's huge. And why did I come here? But
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  Speaker 2: then the bell rings. And as soon as I start moving,
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  Speaker 2: as soon as it becomes about the work, I go, well,
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  Speaker 2: this is what I do. And then what takes over
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  Speaker 2: is just routine.
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  Speaker 1: What'd I do?
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  Speaker 2: And then he's just serious, you know?
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  Speaker 1: I always felt like the worst part was before the
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  Speaker 1: fight started.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The worst part was like standing there getting ready before
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  Speaker 1: the fight started. Yeah, I can imagine. But then once
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  Speaker 1: the fight starts, it's on, you're on instinct.
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  Speaker 2: You're in, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like sort of normal. That's what stand-up is like.
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  Speaker 2: I fucking hate waiting to go on stage. Yeah. It's
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  Speaker 2: the worst thing and I get a little, if there's a,
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  Speaker 2: Stuff going on. I get irritated if the opener's going
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  Speaker 2: over a little.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want a drink. You want a this.
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  Speaker 2: You want a that.
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  Speaker 1: Give me something to distract myself. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's bad news.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah, I could see why guys like that need
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  Speaker 2: to come back. But it's good to be able to
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  Speaker 2: live your life where that's not what you need.
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  Speaker 1: It's a gigantic shift, though, in the way you view
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  Speaker 1: the world. You have to view the world as not
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  Speaker 1: like these big events that you're planning for every three
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  Speaker 1: to six months. but instead just life.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I've tried to do in the last
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  Speaker 2: few years. I'm about to end this tour, and then
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take a year off, I think.
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  Speaker 1: 100% off?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no stage anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: That's great.
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  Speaker 2: That's the plan.
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  Speaker 1: I think that there's a balance between performing a lot
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  Speaker 1: and perspective. One of the things that happens to guys
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  Speaker 1: when they perform too much is that they talk about
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  Speaker 1: things that are related to their life as a traveling comedian.
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  Speaker 1: It's all air travel and flights and hotels and restaurants
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  Speaker 1: and so much of the material revolves around this very
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  Speaker 1: narrow window of existence.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. But also you put all this pressure
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  Speaker 2: on performance that it's got to fix all your life.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not going to.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But if you live a fuller life, then comedy has
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  Speaker 2: the place it should, which is like it's a weird
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  Speaker 2: thing to do. It should always be weird and it
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  Speaker 2: should always be like, man, I can't believe I'm doing this.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If your life is normal, then comedy is a gas.
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  Speaker 2: It's a jolt. And inside of it, you know, for me,
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  Speaker 2: you're working in there and there's routine and there's, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But it should stay special, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're at a point right now, like you're ready
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  Speaker 1: to do this special, which is this thing that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to live stream.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In Madison Square Garden. Yeah. Which is fucking super exciting.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks. January 28th, it's my, I'm going back to
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  Speaker 2: the garden. I used to play there all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Haven't played there in a number of years. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know it would come back. There it is. And so
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  Speaker 2: we put the sale. I wrote to you because I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do it in the round. I never did
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  Speaker 2: it that way. And so I asked you if it
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  Speaker 2: was good. You said it was really fun that way.
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  Speaker 1: It's so fun.
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  Speaker 2: And then I found out that it costs twice as
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  Speaker 2: much because you've got a light from two sides. And
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  Speaker 2: also you need to be able to see the guy
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  Speaker 2: from four angles. So you need more cameras.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then we sold the thing out. Like we sold 10,000
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  Speaker 2: tickets on the first day. It's sold out now. It's 18,000 seats.
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  Speaker 2: It's the most people I've all ever have. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing this 38 years. That'll be the biggest audience
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  Speaker 2: I ever played for. And so it costs so much
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  Speaker 2: money though, to put the cameras in there for the Jumbotron.
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  Speaker 2: And then I thought just for this live stream, because
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  Speaker 2: it's actually only costing a little bit more, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's not that much more because we already have all
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  Speaker 2: this shit in there.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Right. So.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going to live stream it on my website.
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  Speaker 2: You just go, and it's like $ 25. That's awesome. We'll
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  Speaker 2: keep it up. It's a live event. It's not a
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  Speaker 2: special so much as a live event. So it's all
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  Speaker 2: new material since my last special, and it'll be up
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  Speaker 2: until the 17th, I think, of February. Then we take
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  Speaker 2: it down, and then it'll go away. And then in April,
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  Speaker 2: I'll put out a special of the same material that
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  Speaker 2: I already shot at the Dolby Theater in L.A. I
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  Speaker 2: shot a special there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really? When did you shoot that?
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  Speaker 2: Earlier this month.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really good.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great idea. I love that.
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  Speaker 2: That's like the album.
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  Speaker 1: That's like the album.
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  Speaker 5: Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: And that'll be the same as every special I've ever done,
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  Speaker 2: like $ 10, and you can download it and all that
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  Speaker 2: stuff and keep it. But this one is only for
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  Speaker 2: streaming in a short, limited time.
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  Speaker 1: So Chris Rock is doing a live special, too, on Netflix, right?
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  Speaker 1: He's going to film it, and it'll stream live on Netflix?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what they're going to do for the first time?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they never live streamed anything. So he's their first one.
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  Speaker 2: And that's cool for him. And it'll be March, I think,
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  Speaker 2: he's doing. He's in Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard nothing but good things about his new set.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's been, I think, holding back a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: So I think this tour has been great for him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is going to be really great. I'm
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  Speaker 2: excited for his show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited for comedy right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, comedy is getting.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Picking up steam.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's also, it's like people are really longing for
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  Speaker 1: it because there's so much political correct bullshit, this woke bullshit,
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  Speaker 1: what you can and can't say. And so many people
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  Speaker 1: feel upset about it and that like they don't know
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  Speaker 1: what to say because they can't talk at work or
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  Speaker 1: they get fired. They can't talk amongst their community or
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  Speaker 1: they get shamed. They don't, they like, ugh. And then
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  Speaker 1: you can go see someone talk on stage like, yeah. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what comedy always was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's always been that. And to me, everything that's happened
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  Speaker 2: has been natural. It's normal that comedy has to be
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  Speaker 2: defended every few years. When everybody's being cool, when the
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  Speaker 2: world is kind of cool like it was up until
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  Speaker 2: maybe 2015 or so, it's just kind of cool. Comedy
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  Speaker 2: is cool. But then when things get shitty in terms
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  Speaker 2: of this sort of thing, people being more divided and
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  Speaker 2: unable to express themselves, Comedy gets more important, but also
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  Speaker 2: starts getting attacked. And we have to defend it.
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  Speaker 1: That's all. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, by just doing it.
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  Speaker 1: That's all.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get into defending it by saying, fuck these people.
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  Speaker 2: It just means you have to keep doing it at
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  Speaker 2: the same discipline.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And doing it the same way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Don't pull back.
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  Speaker 2: No, just keep doing it. And folks will show up.
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  Speaker 2: And love it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's one of the things I really loved about
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  Speaker 1: your last special. It was like 100% a Louis C.K. special.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't back off of anything. That whole thing that
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  Speaker 1: you did at the end, the faggot thing, was so funny, man.
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  Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's such a good bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's new. Today's straight matter facts.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's so funny. It's so good because it's so like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: he's going there, you know, but it was really well
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  Speaker 1: thought out.
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  Speaker 2: My audiences are really diverse. I mean, in terms of like,
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  Speaker 2: I get young people and some kind of like progressive
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  Speaker 2: looking people. I get men and women in all races,
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  Speaker 2: mostly white, but you know, some cities I get more.
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  Speaker 2: But I tested it in front of so many people
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  Speaker 2: that bit. And they, every kind of person laughed at it. Every,
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  Speaker 2: the only people that got offended by it were people
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  Speaker 2: like in the South or more kind of like red
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  Speaker 2: state people. Because when I said straight men are faggots,
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, you know, Brooklyn Twinks and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. They don't know those people.
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  Speaker 2: But they think I'm talking about them. Hey, man, will
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  Speaker 2: you come? So they missed it. I thought I would
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  Speaker 2: be offending progressive young kids, but for them it was
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  Speaker 2: a relief because it's about them and they feel that way.
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  Speaker 2: In real life, people like being laughed at. They like
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  Speaker 2: their community. When you do good jokes about black people,
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  Speaker 2: not like a white perspective about being alienated from them,
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  Speaker 2: but if you do a good joke about black culture
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  Speaker 2: or Chinese culture, Jewish culture, the people in those groups
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  Speaker 2: laugh because they're in the show and they know their
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  Speaker 2: culture as well as anybody does, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that's always been the case, but people just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it never really changed all the, and the
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  Speaker 2: way I figured it was, there was no point in
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  Speaker 2: backing down and changing because what do you want out
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  Speaker 2: of life? Like what, maybe I could have, Like I
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  Speaker 2: already had a crazy heyday where the kind of comedy
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  Speaker 2: I do, which is just flagrant fouls, just fucking just bad,
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  Speaker 2: bad behavior throughout. For a while, that was like considered
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  Speaker 2: the greatest thing. And people were just like, this is great.
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  Speaker 2: The mainstream loved it. Everybody loved it.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I had that for years, that success. So I
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  Speaker 2: figured if I have to do it and I start
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  Speaker 2: getting hated for it or even just business goes down,
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  Speaker 2: I have to take some heat off. from the sides.
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  Speaker 1: So what?
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  Speaker 2: That's not a lot to ask of me, considering what
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  Speaker 2: I've enjoyed. So if my... And it was like that before.
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  Speaker 2: When I first started, I was gross, and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people stayed away from me. And then I had
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  Speaker 2: a heyday. And now I'm like, it's time to go
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  Speaker 2: back into the underground. It's time to go back into
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  Speaker 2: just like... Like, I don't get mentioned in the big
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  Speaker 2: lists for a lot of reasons, but also for the comedy.
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  Speaker 1: But so.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay, it's acceptable to me if it's not as
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  Speaker 2: popular anymore. I'm still gonna do the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: But it is as popular, but that's what's bullshit. It
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  Speaker 1: is as popular. The lists are nonsense. The lists are
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  Speaker 1: all non-binary people made a fucking special in a coffee shop.
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  Speaker 2: I guess. And by the way, let them have the
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  Speaker 2: lists for a while. That's fine too. That has never
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  Speaker 2: meant much. The mistake is when you're on it, you
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  Speaker 2: go like, yeah. Right, exactly. You know? When you're on it,
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  Speaker 2: when you're on the lists and you're at the red
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  Speaker 2: carpet and stuff, it's like playing blackjack and you start
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: getting good cards and you think you're good at blackjack.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, see, I don't know. No, you just, it's
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  Speaker 2: an arbitrary thing that has its own reasons for being.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes you get benefit for it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes you don't. And that's who gives a shit.
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  Speaker 1: But, like, saying about your heyday, I don't think you're
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  Speaker 1: right there. Like, look, you sold out 10,000 tickets in
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  Speaker 1: a day. Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Well, one time I did it five times in a year.
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  Speaker 1: I bet you could do it five times in a year.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's much different.
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  Speaker 2: I think probably that one was it for me. And also,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to do five shows at the Garden.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you're going to have to if you don't want to,
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  Speaker 1: but I bet you could.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose.
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  Speaker 1: I bet you could. Well, people fucking love comedy right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they do.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we're having a great time. It's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun right now.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fucking ball. I have no concerns on stage about, ugh,
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  Speaker 2: is this going to.
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  Speaker 1: Be- They're coming to see you. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Also, by the way, I like, the other thing is
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  Speaker 2: that this time was good for comedy. The time of
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  Speaker 2: people getting their assholes a little tighter. I was listening
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: to Patrice last night with my opener, Ariel, three names
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  Speaker 2: for some reason, fucking Ariel Isaac Norman. We worked together
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  Speaker 2: in New Orleans. We did a show in Mobile and
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: we drove to New Orleans. And I was playing for
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: her Patrice's album, Mr. P. And Patrice O'Neill. And he
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: does a couple of bits and he says to the crowd,
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  Speaker 2: you guys are laughing, that's good. But you're not all
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  Speaker 2: laughing and that's good. I don't want you all to laugh.
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  Speaker 2: If everybody's laughing, it's not fun. You need somebody in
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  Speaker 2: here going like, that's not.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. And I believe that. It actually makes.
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  Speaker 2: Comedy better if it has an adverse effect. If you
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  Speaker 2: have pushback because, and the thing, the problem that some
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: comedians have is they get hurt. They get their feelings hurt.
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  Speaker 2: If someone doesn't like the joke, they feel that it's, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you don't like me. And then they back away from
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: anything that makes them feel like that.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: But if you can be like, here's a terrible thing.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: And then the audience goes like, oh, and you just hear,
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: you don't get emotionally involved. You hear the, oh, and
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: you go, okay, I can either go around it. I
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: can go into it. We can go further into this.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: There's some, there's potential in that horrible feeling for another
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: laugh past it that they've, they've never experienced.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Cause usually when an audience shows, I don't want to
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: hear that people back away. But if you stay with it,
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: I'm still talking about it. I'm still talking. I'm still
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: your friend. Like I'm not going to fuck you people.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: You know that thing. That's another cop out.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Fuck you. You pussies. You just go, okay, you didn't
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: like it. Well, here's, A little more about it. And
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: if you get them like that and then you can,
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: I remember once I was in Houston and there was
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: the Houston Improv and there's, it's pretty much a black club.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Like it's mostly black comedians go there and the clientele
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: for the Houston Improv is mostly black people, Texas black people.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: And so I went and did a weekend there and
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: it was a lot of my fans, but it was
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: a lot of folks that just come to the Improv.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: So they, I could see in their faces that they
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: don't know me. And there was this one table of people,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: they were dressed like it's Easter, like beautiful clothes, you know?
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: And this woman in like a, like a Robin's egg
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: dress and just beautiful makeup, this black woman, I was
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: doing this bit about pedophiles. One of the many pedophile bits.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I don't remember which one. It was the thing about that.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: They should make doll, very realistic dolls of children for,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: for pedophiles to fuck. Uh, And she was just like, oh,
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: like literally putting her hands up like, please don't. And
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: I just I look at her. I looked at her
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: with love, with sympathy. I was really playing to her now.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to convince her that I'm not just
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: trying to piss her off, that there's something worth hearing
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: in here. And somehow I don't remember what the moment was,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: but there was a moment in the bit where she went,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I got I get it. And then she started to
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: laugh and I felt this relief. I think she would
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: rather not have had the experience at all. But I
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: don't know. I just love that so much. I love
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: doing that so much. And then it finds, now I
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: have a bit that she's part of, that her resistance
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: helped me find all of the round edges to the
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: bit and all of the angles. You know what I mean?
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: That's one of the most fascinating things about comedy is
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: that you really need the audience to develop it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: You need them.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: You can't do it in a vacuum.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: No, it is the one art. that the audience is
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: your horn. That's your fucking instrument.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: They're participating. Yeah. And you need a bunch of different
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: kinds of audiences.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: So many.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. From all over the world. Yes.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: You need to use, you need to see people that
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: aren't like you. That's the most important thing is to
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: go to places where you're like, uh, I, this is
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: not going to be fun. And there's bits that I
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: do that I'm like, I don't want to do this
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: to them. I don't want to feel this feeling. But
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: I know if I keep doing it, each audience will
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: bring me closer to them and figuring out. And then
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: there is this bad point where these bits that I
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: do that are like about pedophilia and stuff, they get
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: to where they're killing. Because I've just, I've fashioned them
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: so well and had so much great collaboration with different
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: kinds of outrage. And now it's a blistering hot bit.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: And then when I'm doing it, I forget it was ever... Right.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: And I just go like, I'm doing it like this. Like, yeah,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: you're going to love this. And I always crest over
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: the wave to some audience that they just stare at
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: me like. What are you talking about? And I go, oh, yeah,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: that's right. This is a fucked up subject. This is
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: a fucked up thing to be talking about. And then
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: they remind me to approach it like this.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Like the way you're talking to somebody with like a
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: panicking person with a gun.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: You know, who's got a guy like this and he's
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: doing this.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: And you're just trying to get him to breathe. You're
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: trying to get him, you know, trying to take them
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: through a scary room. But what a great thing to
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: take people to where the things that they hate and
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: make them laugh at. What a great thing for some
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: of us. Some people don't like that.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: No, some people just like clean and easy. And that's fine, too.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's a great audience for that, too. I
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: think one of the unique things that you've always liked
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to do is you like to go to clubs unannounced.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: So they don't know you're going to be there. They're
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: not your fans necessarily. They're just people. And then you
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: just drop in and try stuff out.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the most honest thing, you know. I mean,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: there's the, it's, I'm thinking of some analogy where if
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: you turn up all the dials, it all becomes zero again.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: So if you're doing your audience, there's also a huge
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: amount of pressure. They're paying more money and they've been waiting.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: So you feel this thing of like, this has got
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: to be good. The pressure is really high for those shows.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: There's support, but those are your customers.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: So they're just like, let's go.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: But when you just walk in, I mean, a lot
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: of times if I walk in a place, they know
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: who I am. But there's enough in the audience. They
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: didn't come to see me. And there's enough in the
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: audience that's just I can get an honest sense of
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: how this material works. There's some place in Australia, there's
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: a club in Melbourne. And I've done it twice, 20
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: years apart. And both times nobody had any idea who
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I was. Like the MC did. He's a comic. So
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: he was like, he said a lot of really nice things.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: And he said, this guy, what a treat. And he
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: brings me on and the crowd's like. And they're just,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I could see them going like this.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: To each other.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: And I'm doing material that has been killing in large
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: concert venues. And they just don't give a fuck. Like
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: then I found out what's actually, you know, means something
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: to anybody.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Well, it's different culturally too, like that. They'll laugh at
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: things over there that we don't laugh at.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Australia, do you find that?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Australia is a fascinating place. It is. They're wild people.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: They're very similar to Americans, but not quite.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: But not at all. That's what, you get there and
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: you think it's America?
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Because you're in a tube, in an American tube, and
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: you go over there and then you sleep in an
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: American hotel and everybody's white and they don't sound British.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: They sound a little more like us. It feels American.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Then you're walking down the street and a fucking parrot
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: flies by and lands on a telephone pole. You're like,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is a parrot doing? And you realize
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: you're surrounded by tropical creatures. Like I was in Perth,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: which is completely different from Sydney and Melbourne. They call
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: them the eastern states. Perth is on the west coast
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: of Australia. And it's in the Indian Ocean, south of India.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It's a great, I mean, it's really like, Perth is
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: like a city surrounded by just no people. And there's
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: crazy creatures and weird plants and then these white people.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And they're not– yeah, they're not– They used to be prisoners.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Well, in Perth they were. It's different.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was founded as a commercial venture. An English
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: captain went to England and said he got money and
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: he got people– he paid people to go. And they're miners.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: It's just these huge giant holes in the ground. I
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: think it's iron and– There is these guys that live
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: in Perth and they all have tons of money from
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: this dirty work that they do. And they call them FIFOs,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: fly in, fly out, because they fly into the mines
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: and then they just live, it's just covered in shit and,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: you know, sleep in a bunk next to the hole
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: for like a month. And then they give them like whatever,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: you know, thousand, hundred, thousand dollars. Then they go back
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to Perth. It's a weird culture.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of those people in Canada.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I guess like for the fishing, right?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: No, miners.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of miners, oil people. A lot
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: of people work the oil rigs in Canada.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: A lot of the people that they're a part of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that strip mining, like they all have like jacked up
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: trucks and giant gold chains and tons of money.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: That's what it's like in Perth. Every truck is a off-road,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: you know, jacked up with the snorkels.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you need that out there for the dust.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. But then the Eastern States was founded by,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: they were penal colonies. Uh, but, and I don't know
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: much about it, honestly, but Sydney and Melbourne is my
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: favorite place over there.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Melbourne's great.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Such a great town.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: It's like San Francisco before it was ruined in Australia.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I was just in San Francisco. It's pretty gnarly right now.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Weird, right? Isn't it strange how quickly a city can
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: deteriorate with terrible government?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know all the reasons, but it's
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: pretty strange.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: There's a ton of reasons, but clearly they haven't made
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: a course correction.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Some of it is cyclical. I mean, I started going
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: there in the 80s, and it's a little like it
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: was when I started going there. Like New York City,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: nobody remembers anything because it's all the young people. There's
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: always young, trendy people. whose parents pay for an apartment
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: in New York City. And they show up and they're
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: just like, I'm a New Yorker. And they came in,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of the kids that are there now came
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: in during this sort of golden sort of Bloomberg era
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: when it was, Giuliani had just, you know, stuck plungers
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: up many black anuses to clean the place up. And
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: we all kind of watched like.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, don't do that. Yeah.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Which sort of turned away. People forgot about that story.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: People forgot about.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: That plunger story. Amadou Diallo was the name of the guy.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Now, Abner Louima, it's two guys. Abner Louima, I think,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: was the plunger. It's Giuliani time. They stuck a plunger
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: handle up his ass and said, Amadou Diallo is a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: guy who was shot something like 68 times because he
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: had a sandwich in his hand.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Kind of looked like a gun, even though it was
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: veal parmesan.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: People forgot about... Giuliani at one point in time, people
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: thought he should be president after the way he handled 9-11.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: That's right. Everybody's like, he's our leader.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: And just because he walked down the street with a
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: coffee and said, oh, boy, it's rough. That's basically what
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: he did. He didn't stop 9-11. He didn't solve 9-11.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: He didn't save anybody. There was no one to save.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: That's the most fucked up thing about that day is
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that there was no, you know, they had the hospitals
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: were all ready and there was not like one, there
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: was like nobody was injured.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Were you living in New York City when that happened?
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was not in the city. The
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: day before, on the 10th, I flew to L.A. to
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: pitch a fucking TV show.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And my wife was pregnant. And we were living in Greenpoint, Brooklyn,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: which was right, I mean, it came out of our house.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: The towers were our view right out the door. And
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: so she was there six months pregnant and whammo. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: she called me. It was like 9 in the morning
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: in L.A. Or earlier, I guess. It was like 6.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: And she called me and she was just bawling. And
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, what's wrong? And she couldn't say anything.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what the fuck is going on?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Partly I'm like, am I in trouble? And then she says,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: turn on the TV. And I saw these towers on fire.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay. It's nothing to do with home.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: This is a world problem, not a me problem. I'm
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: pretty sure that's not my fault.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: No.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: No. Anyway, she handled it really well. Todd Barry, you
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: know Todd, right? He called her. She's the one who
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: told him what had happened. He woke up not understanding
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: what was happening, and he was really scared and called
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: my ex-wife, and she calmed him down. She's a good person.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: But anyway, yes. And I was like, get out of this.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I just panic.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Living in Manhattan, because I grew up with movies like Warrior's,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: And with memories like the blackouts and I wasn't even
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: there for the blackouts, but there was all these blackouts
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: where everybody got killed. And there was a lot of
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: movies about like New York City is shut down and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: everybody and, you know, the wolves come out.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: So I thought as soon as it happened, I told her,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: get out of Manhattan. There's just going to be people
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: throwing TV sets through windows in like five minutes.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I just believed it. I am legend.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: That kind of thing. So get the fuck out of there.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: So she got out of there. Um, and then I
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: was on the road and I was, uh, I, I
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: was in LA. I was supposed to pitch a show
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and I called the network and I said, I assume
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the meeting is canceled. And they said, yeah, but if
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: you want your show to go forward, we do have to,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: we have to have, they made me do, pitch a comedy.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: On September 11th?
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: On the 12th.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, the 12th. Well, they gave you a day off.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: They gave you a day off.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. It was a day to let everything
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: settle down. Yeah, the 12th is my birthday. Um, but
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: so I had to pitch a fucking comedy and it was,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: it was hard. I mean, obviously that was, you know, terrible.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And then I went back on the road. I was
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: doing gigs. So I was flying as soon as they
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: were flying. You know, there was no airplanes for.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: How many days was it?
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: I don't remember how long they didn't fly for, but
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I think it was a couple of weeks before a
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: flight went up. I don't remember, but, but I started
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: flying right away and the airports were all empty.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: You got, everyone was allowed in the lounges and everyone
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: was getting upgraded to first class because the planes were empty.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: And for a while it was part of the protocol
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: before the flight takes off. They used to say they,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: they would give you the safety stuff and then they
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: would say, you can use your seatbelt detaches. You can
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: use it as a weapon.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Oh Jesus.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: You can use your seat as a shield. And they would, yes,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: they would say this as part of the thing for
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: like the first month after nine 11 and they would say,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: We're here to protect you, but you have to protect us.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: They would say that. And there was one flight I
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: took where I was flying first class, like seat 1B.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I was right at the bulkhead. And this other guy
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: is sitting at 1C across from me. And the captain
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: came out right before the flight, and he kind of
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: squatted between us. And he said, listen, fellas, because it
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: was a red eye. He said, you're the last line
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: of defense, so I need you not to sleep on
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: this flight.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Yeah. I need you not to sleep on
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the flight to defend him.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But, of course, there's part of me that's like,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I'm a guy, so I'm like, oh, yes, sir.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I was excited. Yeah, I got asked once by a lady.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: These two guys were fighting, and they were thinking about
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: removing the guys from the plane because one guy had
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: put his bag above this other guy's seat. And the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: other guy goes, hey, man, that's for my seat. And
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: he's like, no, it's first come, first served. He's like, no,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: fuck you. And then they were like, fuck you. No,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: fuck you. And then the lady had to come in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and go, hey, hey, like, I will fucking kick both
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: of you guys off the plane.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: This is before you took off?
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Before we took off. She goes, we have an understanding?
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: And they go, yeah. And then she comes to me.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: and she goes, hey, if anything goes down, you're going
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to help, right?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: She deputized you?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: She deputized me. I'm like, okay. What do you want
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: me to do?
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: What am I allowed to do? What's my directive? What
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: are my orders?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: If I go back there and smash some guy, am
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I in trouble?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: What happens?
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: What am I allowed to do? Yes, you were.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: directed by a company employee and she has like federal power.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I need you to put that on video. Like, like
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: that's what I would say it on my phone.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Say, go ahead. Yeah. I need to know what's going on.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know who's right. I mean,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: this one guy who says it's his seat and it's
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: above his seat.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: He's kind of got a point. And the other guy's
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: got a point too. Like if that's the only space.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It's open, I don't think it's about who's right.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: In that situation, it's not about who's right about that.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: It's about if somebody throws hands, they're now wrong.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: One guy was really douchey about it. He could have
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: been like, there was nothing else available. Is there a
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: space over here? I'll move your bag for you. So
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: many things. Yeah, they could have made some sort of
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a considerate.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: He's probably got something at home.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: You get on a plane after a fight with whoever
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: at home.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Work sucks.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: At home, he can't say it. He's got somebody who
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: he's fighting with who he needs to suppress. And so
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the first motherfucker, you know.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Or he's just a dick.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: He's just an asshole.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Could be just a dick.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I can't get my head around that. I always think
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: it's something that's bothering him. I can't get my head
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: around somebody who's just like.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Well, some people think you have to be that way
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to get ahead. You have to be a dick to
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: get ahead. Like there's people that have that mentality. Right.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And there's people that feel comfortable if they can do that.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: They're just comfortable if they can have whatever they want.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: So if you challenge it, they go, they find, they
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: have their logic. Usually it's just fuck you. Yeah. I mean,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: he tried one argument and his second argument was fuck you.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: And that people, some dudes like to just take up
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: that kind of space, you know?
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Just like, this is all mine. Yep. And fuck off.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm not, if I do one thing for somebody else,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: it's going to start chintzing in. So I'm not doing that.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: So that's just how they live. Some women do it too,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: but it's a different version of it. And now, you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: there's like the, but the people that like, this is all,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I was on a subway in New York once and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: it was packed and everyone's, you know, people like this,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you're smushed against people, you know, your chest is against
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: somebody's back. and we're all strap hanging and some people
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: are sitting and this woman had a salad and she
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: was eating it on the packed subway and she was like,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: she had it out like this and she's just stabbing
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that and she's just taking up all this space so
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: she can eat her fucking chicken salad and all of
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: us were just watching her. Every person was just.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Like, cunt.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Fucking stupid cunt. Like black nurses that have been working
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: 14 hours just like, bitch. Fucking bitch.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Anyway.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, for her, it's probably the only time she
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: has to eat.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: The girl eating the salad?
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: She probably has some reason. She didn't look, she looked comfortable.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a prison thing, too. Maybe. You put
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: your arm around your food and you eat like this.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever been scared somebody's going to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: eat your food?
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe in high school. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. Not really.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: New South.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Some dickhead. It wasn't very rough. It wasn't very rough.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm thinking maybe. I don't have a thought,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: a memory.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I remember the first conversation we had. I guess I
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: was like 20.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Ever?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: How old are you?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Because this reminds me of it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: How old are you now?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Because it was about Newton South.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Cafeteria. I'm 55.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: 55 too. I'm 55 as well.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we must have both been around 20. When
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: you started comedy, you were 21?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: All right, so I must have been the same age.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But we talked about fight because I found out you
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: were a Taekwondo guy or something. Is that what you'd fight?
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: And I asked you about fights. Like I said, do
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: you have skills for fighting in real life? And you said, well,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: it's just some things, you know, that are put, you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: they put you way at advantage with people that aren't fighters.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Like you don't wait for the fight to start. You
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: told me, like you told me you were in a
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: cafeteria once in South and some some kid came up and,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: you know, people think they're going to get to do
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: a preamble. They think that there's going to be a whole, Hey,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: fuck you. And now we're, they think there's going to
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: be like, yeah. And as soon as you knew he
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: was there to threaten you, you just punched him in
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the sternum and he just went down. He's like, Hey man, you,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: and then he just, anyway, so that was the first
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: time you'd explain that to me.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That could have been avoided. I thought about that
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: one for a lot afterwards. Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You think you jumped the gun?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you jump the gun because, like, with great power
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: comes great responsibility. You know, that guy, he had no chance.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: He was just bowing up. Right. He was just a knucklehead.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I should have probably let him slide.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: That's funny. Yeah, I think that's how you've changed, too.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Because you were really wired then. You were tightly wired. Well,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: we're talking then about, like, me being 15 or 16.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: And a trained fighter at a young age.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: And it's also like you got this thing you want
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to try out. It's like you got a fast car,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you want to hit the gas.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Let's see what happens.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: This guy. Yeah, of course. Because people, you know, in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: high school, you're kind of trying out, bowing up on people. Right.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: It's a pretty nuanced thing to ask a kid that
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: age to know, like how to back off. I don't
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: need to fight you. Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: No, it's hard. It's hard for kids. I just watched
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: this horrible brawl today that someone had put up on
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Twitter in a high school. It was terrible. Where, like,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: all these kids were fighting in the hallway and teachers
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: were trying to separate it. And this one kid threw
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: this kid to the ground and punched him unconscious. And
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the kid went into a seizure. And I'm like, oh, God.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And it's awful. And a lot of it is people
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: that just don't know how to fight. And they don't
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: know how to defend themselves. And then they're fucking flailing
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: wildly at each other. And this one guy knew something,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and he threw this guy to the ground and punched
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: him out. Fucking, school's so dangerous. It's so dangerous because
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: kids are just starting to get testosterone. They're just starting
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: to become, like, strong and, like, almost a man.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: And lopsided, too, because these other kids who didn't, it
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: just didn't kick in yet.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Well, these kids were, there was none of that. They
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: were similar sized, but it was just awful. It was
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: just awful.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: There's also weird energy in school for kids that age that's,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: it's intricate. Like I remember I saw a lot in
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: my high school fights that were between friends because there's
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: always somebody who wants people to fight. There's always somebody
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: who doesn't fight, but wants a fight to happen. Everybody
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: wants to see it. So you take a kid who's
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: trying to get some kind of status with a certain
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: group and they go, why are you friends with that guy?
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: You know, like that guy's a pussy and they actually
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: turn them on. They want to see if they can
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: make a kid fight a friend of his. I saw
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: that so many times and I saw a lot of
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: kids that were tough and, but had a head, you know,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: smart kids who were, I remember this one kid, his
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: name was Chris and his friend Doug was pushed into like,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: he's got, I'm going to kick your ass. And Chris
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: could have beat Doug, but he just started crying because
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: it was too much.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Pressure.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: And he didn't want to fight his friend and he
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: could hurt his friend real bad. And he's isolated. Everybody's
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: around him. He's like now the kid, the fag, you know.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: And he just started crying. And then everybody starts laughing
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: at him because he's crying. And now he's mad. And
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: he just beat Doug's face to red.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: It's like he painted his face red.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: One of the most humiliating fights I ever got into
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: was there was never even a punch thrown. It was me.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I was 14. And there's this kid in the locker room.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: And I don't remember what words were said, but we
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: were standing in front of each other. And this is
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: before I even was really into martial arts. This is
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons I got into it. This kid
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: grabbed me in a headlock, threw me on the ground,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and was going to punch me in the face, but
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: then stopped and decided not to. He was like, I'm
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: just going to let you up. And I was like... Oh, no.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I was so humiliated.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, no.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I was so humiliated.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: It would have been better if he hit you, because
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: then you look a little bit tough for taking the punch.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Well, at least, I mean... He was so unconcerned that
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I could do something to him that he just let
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: me up. And then I would avoid him in school.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I would look down the hallway, and I would open
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: up the door to the outside breezeway, and I saw
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: him on the other side. I'm like, oh, I've got
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: to go around this way. I've got to keep away
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: from that guy. I was terrified of him. Horrible. Terrified
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: of him.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: For a full year. When I was a senior, I
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: never really got in fights. I just didn't. It just
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: didn't happen to me. I was kind of bigger than
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of kids my age, so I guess that,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: you know. I just didn't, and I didn't have a
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: lot of conflicts with people. So I never really got
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: much into fights. I just sort of slid through, you know.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: And then at senior year, I don't remember, junior or whatever,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: but I was high a lot, and I was in
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: the library, and I was laughing. I was making a
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: lot of racket in the library. I used to get
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: yelled at all the time for being loud in the library.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: And this kid who was a sophomore, little kid who
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: was like this on me, kind of skinny and wearing
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: a leather jacket. He goes, hey, shut the fuck up.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Because he was just annoyed. And the worst part is
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: he was right. Like I knew in my head I'm
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: being annoying.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: But I said, fuck you. Like, and I'm just like
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: a status. I'm a senior. You're a sophomore. You're a sophomore.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Fuck you.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Shut up.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: And he goes, what? Fuck me? And I go, yeah,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: fuck you. And he comes over and he goes, you
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: want to go right now? I'll fucking kick the shit
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: out of you. He's smaller than me, but he's wiry.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm scared. I was terrified. Because I
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: don't want to fight this kid. Even if I win,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go unscathed. I don't want to
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: get hurt. I don't want to be punched in the face.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I don't want any of this to happen. And he's
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: standing above me. And he's like, you want to fucking go?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, no, I don't want to.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Pfft.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I don't want to fight. And he's like, then shut
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the fuck up then. And I was like, and my
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: friends were so ashamed of me. And for the rest
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: of the year, I was terrified of this little, this
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: little kid scare. I did an episode about it in
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: my show and where there's some high school kid threatens
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to beat me up. And I back off, I back
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: down and I apologized to him because I don't want
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to get, yeah, I, that kid really, he haunted me for.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: A long time. It can happen.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: It can happen.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's somewhere now, you know.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I got beat up on a bus by a girl
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: when I was 14 because I didn't fight back. I
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. I wasn't sure if I
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: should hit her back.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: When I lived in Newton, in Newton South, we would
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: go to, I think it was Round Meadow, which was
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the middle school. I think that's what it was. Okay.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And we would walk across the field because my sister
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: was going to the middle school and And I was
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: in ninth grade and she was in eighth grade. So
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: I would go and take the bus with her because
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the bus was earlier or something. I forget what it was.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: So I went over and something happened when I got
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: on the bus. And there was this girl who was
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: this tough girl, smoked cigarettes, she had a leather jacket on.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Newton tough girls. And I don't remember what happened. I
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: don't remember what the conversation was. But she either decided
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I was in the wrong seat or whatever. So she
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: just starts wailing on me. Like it wasn't even like
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't argue back. It was just like she just
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: started punching me. And then this little guy who was
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: like wound up being my friend. His name is Muggsy Malone.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: He wound up being my– he later went on– I
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: think he was a politician at one point in time.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: But he became my friend. Yeah, but he was just
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: a tiny little guy. He was like in fifth grade. And, like,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the girl beats me up, and then he comes over.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: He goes, I ain't fucking afraid of you either. I'm like, oh, Jesus.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: He's like, what the fuck?
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Like, he jumped on her side against you?
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: Yes, 100%.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was, like, one of those things where I
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: was like, my God, I got to learn how to fight.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: It was, like, really what turned me into a martial artist.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I was tired of being terrified. This girl kicked my ass,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: and I didn't even fight back. I was just, like,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: covering my head up, and she was just fucking with
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: a leather jacket on and a fucking cigarette. Yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: What is her life that she needed to go right
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: to DEFCON 5?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Well, she wound up being the girlfriend of the guy
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: who's the toughest guy on the wrestling team, which I
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: joined the next season. So thank God I didn't swing back.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been horrible.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: This guy, Mark Collins, who was like the neighborhood tough guy,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: who wasn't even a small guy. Wasn't even a big guy, rather.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: He was a small guy, but he was just fucking intense.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: And he's a really good wrestler.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I lived in Newtonville, which was like right along
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: the highway. And right next to Nonantum, which was all
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: those Irish and Italian kids. And so that's who I
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: went to junior high school with and mostly high school.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: But there was a lot of really terrifying kids. There's
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of scary kids.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Well, blue-collar communities, like I was in Upper Falls. Yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: In Newton, Upper Falls. There was a lot of fucking...
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: A lot of drinking. Everybody would hang out by Echo Bridge.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Remember Echo Bridge?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: That's where my house was. My house was right next
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: to Echo Bridge.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Newton had a lot of, like Cabot, I went
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to Cabot School, elementary school, and Cabot Park was a hang.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: And to cross Cabot Park, sometimes you'd get these guys
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: that would just converge on you. And they would play
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: games with you. And you didn't know what was going on. Hey, kid,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: come here, come here. And then all of a sudden
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: you're in the middle of the park and you're like, fuck.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I remember once as kids, he said he, he had
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: a hundred dollar bill for some reason. And he said,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: we're going to play this game. They're all surrounding me.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: And he puts the a hundred dollar bill on my,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: on my hand. And he gives me a cigarette. And
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: he says, if you can burn a hole in his
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: head all the way through, I'll give you the a
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: hundred dollar bill. I'm like, I was like, I don't
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: want to do it now.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: No, try it, try it. And I was trying to
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: do it and it hurt like fuck. And I don't
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: remember how that ended. Like, I just remember that terrifying
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: and they're all, Staring at me. One time some kids
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: had a cup of puke. It was like a coffee
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: cup with puke. And he said, can you drink this
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: whole thing? If you drink this whole thing, we'll give
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: you a beer. That was that thing.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. Drink the puke and I'll give you a beer.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: These guys just scared me. And then when I grew up,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I hung out with those kids and smoked cigarettes. That's
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: where I learned to smoke cigarettes in that park. And
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I drank my first beer in that park. But there
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: was kids. There was a kid named Mike who was
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the toughest kid in Newton. He was just a fucking
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: terrifying person. And there was one point where this kid
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: named David Russell, he was his family lived in Boston.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys had Metco kids, the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: kids that were bused from Boston into our schools. Black
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: kids from all black kids from Boston who were bused
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: into our school system. It wasn't part of that bus
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: bossing Boston thing. It was out to the suburbs.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: And these were kids that got up at four o'clock
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: in the morning to go to school. You know, they
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: were living a particular life and coming out to this suburb.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: And some of them were my friends. One of them
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: was Ronnie DeVoe of, uh, Bell Biv DeVoe.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: No shit. Yeah.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I went to high school with him.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: And, uh, I knew him since like junior high school
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: through high school. He was a nice kid. And when
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: he was in what he, the first edition or new,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: new edition, they used to come get him in a
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: limousine and people would say, shout racist shit at the
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Bobby Brown. All these guys would be in the scene and,
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: In high school? It was so racist. It was so crazy. Yes. Whoa.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: So David Russell was a Medco kid and his family's
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: house burnt down in Boston. And a family in Newton,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: actually friends of mine, they had a rental unit and
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: they let the Russells live there. So it was like,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: there's a black family living in Newtonville. It's a big deal.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: And everyone was into, cause it was all liberal teachers.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Everybody was into like, we're hosting this family cause they
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: lost their home. So all of a sudden, David Russell's
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: living in Newton. He's not just going to school there.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: And one day, Mike and his group confront David Russell
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: at the park. And they go, hey, listen, we're really
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: happy you're here. We want to show you this bench
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: right here. This is your bench. And they had literally
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: painted it black. And they painted one of the swings black.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: They said, this is the Russell swing. This is the
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Russell bench. You can use it any time you want. Wow.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: And I remember I heard that story, and I went
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: to the park that day, and there was a black
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: bench and a black swing. And they were there. I mean,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: I remember I went back when I was in my 20s,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: and it was still a little black.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Kind of black.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Newton, Massachusetts. It's crazy.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Kids were latchkey kids back then.
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Remember those days? You were just like.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, your parents were at work.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: They just let you out.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: There's no parents. They come home. My mom would come.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I was raised by a single mom. She had four
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: kids and worked. So she'd come home at 7.30, 8 o'clock.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Rush hour traffic, just exhausted.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: But I'd come home, make my own lunch and often dinner.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'd make something for my mom, you know.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Home alone all day.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: All day.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Out on the streets, out on the streets.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Nobody knew where you were. There was no cell phones.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: You just wandered around. Yep. And just hope you didn't die. Yeah.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Because every now and then someone would die.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kids would die.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Someone would die in a drunk driving accident or something.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Every, I think every year in my, in my high school,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: there would be a page in the yearbook for the
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: kid that got killed in the drunk driving.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something. There was always something like that.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: My friend's sister, my best friend, Ian, his sister, Claire
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: was in a drunk driving accident where somebody died and
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: half her face was paralyzed still today. She was just, yeah,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: it was a fucked up, fucked up time.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Well, it's just those, I mean, getting through that though,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: is like a very unusual education in, in human beings and,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: and development and like why people do the things they
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: do and why they say the things they do and
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: why they're trying out different kinds of behaviors and, you know, and,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and bullies and people are pacifists and people get bullied
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: and you see it ruin their lives. And, you know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: it can ruin your fucking life, man. I've, I've, I
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: really feel for people who get bullied because if you
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: get bullied in high school and you just decide that's
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: who I am, I'm just this fucking loser. I'm just
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: going to hide. And then you hide in your apartment
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: and you hide in your house and you hide at
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: your job. And then like your life is hiding now
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: because somebody fucked with you and somebody.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Well, so you were very badly hurt when you were
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: extremely vulnerable.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: And you're probably hurt because you already were vulnerable. You
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: are already were vulnerable. unsure of yourself for a million
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: different reasons. And so you never really recover from that,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: You can.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't mean it destroys your life, but
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: it's in your life. All the things that happen to
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: you that are horrible, like unbelievable, they just stay with you.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: They just become part of you. You don't swap it out.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: You don't clean it out.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: You don't clean it out, but you can get over it.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: You can get over it.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: You can integrate it.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: It can help you understand what's happening to other people.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: It can help you even understand people that hurt people.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Like when you get really hurt by people, you have
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: two choices. You can decide to collapse under it. and say,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I'm too weak to live in this world. Or you
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: can decide to hate them, which is another very corrosive thing.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: You can just decide that they are shit, they're not human.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Or you can look at them and go, what the fuck?
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Why did this person do this to me?
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: They've always been abused.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you go, okay. And then you get
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: an insight that people don't get without that kind of experience.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: And then you have a self-reliance because you go, I
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: got through it. I did it. I got through it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I think every extreme... experience bad and good as food
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: It has it is the potential for a learning experience
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: Potential yeah it's up to you it's totally turned into
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: yeah like all those stories about like me being bullied
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: and thrown around like that's what led me to get
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: into martial arts if it wasn't for that i probably
• 50:25
  Speaker 7: never would have done it and i never would have
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: been the person that i am sure But.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: All that came out of bad feelings, like terrible. I
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: feel like just moving to town. So I was 14.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: I just moved there. I lived in Jamaica Plain before that,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: and then we moved.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, how old were you when you moved from there?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: I lived in Jamaica Plain for, I guess, a year
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: and a half or so. My parents were like, this
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: is way too dangerous. We've got to get out of there.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Still probably.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: It was sketchy. Well, now I think Jamaica Plain is
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: gentrified now. Oh, yeah. Okay. But when I was there,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: it was not. When I was in, I guess it
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: was eighth grade, seventh or eighth grade, there was a
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: boy who was in our class who was 17 years old.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: And I was like, what the fuck is he doing
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: in class?
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: And what grade were you?
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Seventh grade.
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Seventh or eighth. That's crazy. It was crazy.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: He just kept falling out of school. And he was
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: in there and he started off at the beginning like,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to fucking do it this time. And
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: I remember being in class. I was like a little kid.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: He was like an adult. So I was like, this
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: is crazy. And he fell off. He was in class
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: for a couple days, and then he stopped. And I realized, like, oh,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: this poor guy. Like, he's never going to catch up. Like,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: he's fucked. Because now he feels like a loser, and
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: he feels like he's so far behind, he can't even
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: do it anymore. And so he just dropped out. But
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: it was that kind of a neighborhood. There was a
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: lot of criminals in my neighborhood.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, the other thing is that school makes people
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: feel really shitty in some ways.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I hate it.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Always felt like a loser in school.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I was always in trouble. I was never, I mean,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I remember when I was in kindergarten, I was in
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: first grade, I was in Mexico City. That's where I
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: lived when I was little. And I have this one,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I don't remember much about that time, but I remember
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: this one day we had desks with all work in
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: a desk folded down and all your papers were in
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: there and you had to keep it organized and keep
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: handing stuff in, but I could never finish anything. So
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: my desk was always like, I couldn't close it. And
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I hated this feeling. And the teachers, fucking angry Mexican
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: teachers would scream at me. And one day the teacher
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: left us in the room alone, me and some kids
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: for some reason. And I took all the papers and
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I threw them out the window. I opened the window
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: and I threw all my papers out the window. And
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the kids were like, what? And they started screaming and
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: everybody started throwing papers out the window.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: It was like fucking Attica.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: It was just nuts. And then there was this pounding
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: at the door and the teacher, and I knew I'm
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: in so much trouble right now. Like I'm in beyond trouble,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: but it felt so good. It just felt so good
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: to be like in this outside of the box.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to do that at all. But it
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: felt free. I felt like some kind of adult or something,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Isn't it funny those moments of rebellion, like early on,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: that really sit with you? Like it felt so good.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Like it plants seeds for further rebellion in the future.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, once you get that feeling, you don't, you
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: want it again and again, you know, cause it takes
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: you out of everything. It's like, yeah, I may never
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: get out of this class. I may never finish any
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: of these. I might not graduate. I might, you know,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: but I'm right now I'm throwing all this shit out.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I'm alive.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: It feels good for right now. And it's hard to
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: reconcile that. I think that's a little bit of a
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: comedian's like upbringing. Um, And then you have to start
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: being a, you know, and you have kids and it
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: all goes away. You have kids and you grow right
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: at whatever's left. I think when you have kids, I mean,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: not for everybody, there's some real douchebag parents, but for
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: the most part, I think once the kids come, you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: it's not about you anymore. It's about them.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: And it's all, it's, it's bizarre watching them go through it.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Them going through, like trying to find their identity and
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: trying to find their friends group and little disputes that
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: they have in their friends group.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Like one of my daughters has this one little daughter,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: one little friend rather, who's, I don't want to say
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: she's evil, but something's wrong. Something's wrong. She's just like
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: always like very mean to the other girls and very insulting.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, this girl just has like this
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: fire inside of her. And all the other 12-year-olds are
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: starting to figure it out now. So they're starting to
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: separate from her. Like they gave her a few chances. Right.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: And so now the mom is contacting the other moms like,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: what's wrong? She's such a sweet girl. I'm like, no,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: your daughter's kind of a cunt. And it's weird. And then,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: you know, me and my wife are having this conversation.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, do you think it's the mom? Like, where's
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: this coming from? Do you think it's the family? Like,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: how does a daughter get to be so insulting and shitty?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: You've got to learn that. You can't just be like
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: the sweetest, kindest person in the world and have this
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: fucking hyper-aggressive shitty baby.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: No, something's going on. I mean, there's people like, I
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: remember there was a kid when I grew up and
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: he was a mess and he was huge. He just
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: got really huge in third grade. He was a formidable,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: he was bigger than all of us. And, uh, he
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: was a really bright kid and he was funny and interesting,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: but he had this crazy temper and he would throw
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: these tantrums in the middle of class. Like something would
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: piss him off and he'd start screaming and throwing shit
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: and he'd get violent. And the teacher would go to the,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: back then there was like a box on the side
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: of the classroom wall with a clock and a speaker
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: and a button, like a microphone, like to call the office.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: And they'd call the office and say, get Mr. Shanahan.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: He was our one teacher who was big enough to
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: handle this kid. And he would come and just subdue him.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: He'd wrap his arms around this kid and the kid's
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: face would be purple.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: And Mr.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Shanahan would just subdue him until he ran out of,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: he would just collapse. And we would all sit there
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: and watch this. And then he'd be taken out of
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: the classroom and then we'd all talk about him. But like,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: you know, the teacher would say, let's talk about it.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, what do you.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Think's going on with John and how do we handle this?
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: He's in our communities, in our class.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great teacher.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: He was great.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Mr.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Weisberg, great teacher. And then I was always in John's class,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: fourth grade, fifth grade. In fifth grade, we had a
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: trip to Cape Cod. The whole fifth grade class goes
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: in cars in the caravan. you know, to Cape Cod
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: and you live in tents and you visit the Cranberry bogs,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: whatever the fuck you do in Cape Cod. And it's
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: a very social thing, you know? So somebody's mom is driving.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: So they like, you know, will you come in my car?
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: You know, that was the cool thing. And I got
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: invited to be in Jeff Drew's car. And I was like,
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: this is going to be, I love Jeff Drew. It's
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: going to be me and him and Mike McDougal. We're
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: going to have a great time. But the teacher pulled
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: me aside and he said, listen, John, the fucked up kid,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: he goes, his parents have offered to drive and nobody
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: wants to drive with him. And I'm asking you to
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: do it. Oh boy. And I was like, I don't
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: want to do that. And he said, you're, I'm asking
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: you because I think you're a nice person and you're
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: the one person I can think of that I could ask,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: could you make this sacrifice and let him not feel
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: so isolated? And I was like, fuck. And I was,
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: that made me feel good that he wanted me to
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: do it. And I did it. And I got to
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: know him and he was a really cool kid and
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: his parents were both professors. Really, really bright people.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: His father had killed himself, but his stepfather and his
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: mother were professors. Really intelligent people.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: That's probably where it came from.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I think so. It was really hard. His life was
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: really hard. And then I knew him for years after that.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: We were friends, but he would always explode all the
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: way until, you know, 17 or so. The last time
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I saw him, he was like, 16, I think. And
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: he was still... We were talking outside of a Brigham's
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: ice cream in Newton Center. And he was leaning on
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: the glass of the window. And this guy came outside
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: and said, don't lean on the glass. And so he
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: kicked it and shattered the whole window.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: And I walked away.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't ever want to see this kid again.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: But anyway, just to say that, yeah, the point of
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: it is I tried to stay friends with that kid.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: When there is a kid who's... really fucked up and
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: has a wire loose someone's got to be their friend
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: yeah i don't think you know it's like i've had
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: girlfriends that are like really cuckoo and my friends have
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: been like she's bad news she's crazy i'm like well
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: somebody has to love her i mean if everybody walks
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: away from her because she's nuts she's gonna be alone
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: oh that was always.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: The case with brian callan with brian callan me and
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: brian count like brian count was always like the guy
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: took in all the strays He's like, everything's going to
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: be fine. She's fine. She's fine. We're fine. And I
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: was always his friend. friend going, hey, man, you got
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: to fucking get out of this. You got to get
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: out of this now. This is a dark road you're
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: going down. This is only going to lead to doom.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: And he was always like, hey, you know, someone's got
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: to be your girlfriend. Yeah.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: I've had a few friendships and relationships like that where
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this person's tough. Like comedian friends that I've
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: had that everybody else is like, I hate that guy.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I get it. I'm staying friends with him.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I get it. I'm not going to defend him all
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: over the place.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're talking to me. I'm friends with Alex Jones.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: That's the ultimate example of that. Yeah.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: On a big scale, too. That's got to be hard.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: The biggest scale.
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: Oh, God.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: The biggest scale in the world.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: That takes a lot of fortitude to just hang in there.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: He's not a bad guy. He had a psychotic break.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Alex Jones got dumped on his head when he was
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: in high school. He's speaking about getting bullied in high school.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: This guy picked him up and pile-drived him, slammed him
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: on the concrete on his head.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Was it John Ronson that did a documentary about him?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: He did a thing on NPR.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: John Ronson did a thing with him where they both
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: went to Bohemian Grove. Where he grew up? No, no.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove is this place in California where all the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: elites go and they put fucking druid costumes on and
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: they worship Moloch, the owl god. Oh, Jesus Christ. And
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Nixon went there and Reagan went there. Nixon went there?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were talking about Bohemian Grove. You
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Nixon and Reagan went there?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove is a famous place where rich world leaders
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: would meet in Northern California and And they literally worship
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: this Moloch the Owl God. And everybody thought it was bullshit.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: But John Ronson and Alex Jones snuck in. And this
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: is in, like, the 90s? I want to say this
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: is the 90s. I've been friends with Alex since 1998. Wow.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: That's how I know him. I knew him back when
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: he was protesting George Bush. And he was saying that,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: you know, George Bush is a warmonger and a war hawk.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: For a second one? W. W. W when W was
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: running for president.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: Back when W was the governor of Texas. Right. So
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: he like this idea that he was like this right
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: wing guy. He was always like this anti-power guy. But
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: he was dumped on his head in high school on
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: the concrete when he was, you know, 15, 16 years old.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: And he was fucked ever since then. And he has
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: real mental problems sometimes. And if he's drinking a lot.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: And then he takes in too much conspiracy shit. He
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: starts believing things that aren't real.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Ruining folks' lives.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: And that's what he did. Jesus Christ. Yeah. He started believing.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Fucking horrible. But he wasn't lying. He just was wrong.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: He really believed that the government had faked it to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: try to confiscate people's weapons. Like he's just. I mean.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: But it was a haze of drugs and booze and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: a psychotic break.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: And, like, legitimate traumatic brain injury.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: There's a lot going on there.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, pretending that he wasn't the way to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: start this conversation, I remember when that happened. Sandy Hook.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: That was Sandy Hook, right? And I remember that the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: media went up there right away.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: I remember it made me really sick. Because it's such
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: a horrible thing that happened.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: And.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: What everybody should have done is just let the chief
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: of police talk to you and let him say, we
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: don't know these things yet. Just wait. Just wait for
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: information to come out of this very painful place. But
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the media flew in.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: And they're on the fucking grounds of the school. And
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Anderson Cooper is talking to fucking kids who were there.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: And their parents have their hands on the kids' shoulders.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: And you can see in both the kids' face and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: the parents' face that they're not sure they should be
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: doing this. They don't know. We take for granted this
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: thing of being exposed to the media and being talking
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: on cameras.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: And there's been things, of course, in your life and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: my life where you say something or have an experience
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: and then afterwards you go, fuck, that was, I wish
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: I hadn't said that.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Or I didn't know how this would feel is the thing, right?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: So somebody who is not even in public life and
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: who just suffered it, off the charts trauma and Anderson
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Cooper and his producers going, no, you should talk, talking
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: them into it, saying you should talk to the world
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: right now. You should be on the news talking about
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: it now. We don't want to wait till later. We
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: don't want to do an expose 10 years later, what
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: was it like, or.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Even a year.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: We want to know right now. Why does it have
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: to be now? Why can't you just talk to the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: stoic chief of police who says, here's what.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Because it's just dirty greed. It's just dirty. I want it.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: It'll be great on camera. I don't give a fuck
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: what happens to this person when I leave Sandy Hook today.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. I'll be back in my
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: CNN studios. I'm picking him because that's the face I remember.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: And the fact that they were there, it's just macabre
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: and it's ghoulish. And it's gross. And it puts those
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: people in a very vulnerable, fucked up position that they
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: didn't anticipate. They had no idea. And I'm talking out
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: of school because I didn't experience what they experienced. But
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: as a person sitting and watching, I'm like, I'm being
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: told too much. I know too much about this too soon.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: And that's not because I need to know or it's
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: going to help fix what happened. It's because somebody just
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: wanted it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: Because it drives ratings. That's it. That's it.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: It's just money. And there's been extensions of that throughout
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: the history since then. Every time something bad happens, nobody
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: slows down and thinks about it.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Well, there's also a thing that happens where you get
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: eyewitness accounts that are all fucked up. And one of
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: the reasons why eyewitness accounts are fucked up is because
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: when people experience a traumatic incident, their memory is very confused.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: You are working with a part of your brain that's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: like this reptilian part of your brain that's like completely
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: freaked out that something horrible happened. And that happened after 9-11.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Like after 9-11, everybody wanted to believe that this was
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: some grand conspiracy because there was all these bizarre eyewitness accounts. Oh,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I heard a bomb go off. I heard this. I
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: heard that.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: These people were flabbergasted.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: They don't know what the fuck happened. They were so
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: overwhelmed and blown away by the moment.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: There just should be, every time something awful happens, there
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: should just be a blackout, like just a period where
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: let's not talk to anybody.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Don't talk to the traumatized.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Well, going there and sticking a fucking microphone in their
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: face is evil.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: It's just so gross. And it's par for the course.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: It's like how it's done.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: And then they're reporting from the place. And imagine what
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: it's like being in that community and there's fucking a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: van with a, like, what.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Are you doing here? Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: It's obscene.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is obscene. It's obscene and it's normal.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: And that's what they operate under. That's their currency.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: I guess so, yeah.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: I don't think they think about it anymore.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think they think about it because there's a
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: diffusion of responsibility when you work for a large corporation.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: That's the job that has to get done.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: We got to go there. It's not my call.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: It was my call. I'd stay in the studio. I'm
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: a good person.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: I remember I was at Fox News once because I
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: was shooting a sketch with Greg– What's his name?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Geraldo? No, no.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: The Fox News, he's got a funny talk show.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Gutfeld.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Gutfeld. This was when he was just sort of, he
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: didn't have the Gutfeld show. Red Eye?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I think it was Red Eye.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: But he let us shoot a thing where it was
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: a sketch for my show. It was like a scene
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: for my show where I'm debating with a woman who's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: against masturbation and I'm the guy on pro-masturbation. And he
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: was the moderator and we had this like, TV news thing.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: It was a silly episode of my show. And anyway,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: so I got to go to the studios to shoot it.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: And Gutfeld was really cool. I like him. He's a
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: good guy.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: He's a nice guy.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: And so I sat in the... They didn't have a
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: place for us yet. And they let me... I asked
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: if I could go in a control room. And they're like, okay.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: And I sat in this control room because I love television.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I love being behind the scenes. And the president was
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: making a speech. It was Obama. He's making a speech.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: And I was in the live... fucking in the room,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: the Fox newsroom, watching them do their thing. And Bill
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: O'Reilly's on this camera having his hair done. And this
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: guy's over here looking at, you know, and a girl's got,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: she's getting makeup. Everybody's getting ready. The president is in
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: the corner and the sound's off. Nobody's listening to the president.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: He's giving a speech and nobody's, they're just going, Alex,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: what do you got Alex? And Alex is like, did
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: you get the fucking guy? Everybody's cursing and trying to
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: line up guests. for interviews. And just, it was fascinating
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: to watch. And the second the president is done, they
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: go to whoever, not Alex Jones. What am I talking about?
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: The guy who was the big Fox news guys back then, uh,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Bill O'Reilly, Bill O'Reilly.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: They go to Bill O'Reilly and he goes, well, this
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: is just the president doing the same thing.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: He wasn't listening.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Nobody listened to the speech. They just go, this is
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: just bullshit. We don't believe in him. And this guy
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: and this guy, And I saw how fast, and they
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: were so urgent. It was so urgent that they get
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: in right away. And I know that the same things
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: happen in MSNBC and CNN. They're not thinking about anything.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: They already know their reaction.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: And they got to come in with it really quick
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: because it's got to get in here before anything else.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: So nobody listens to it. If there was like a
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: thing where you need to take a day after his speech,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: you have to read it, you have to watch it.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: and discuss it with a staff and then make a decision,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: make an opinion, the opinion would be like, he's got
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: points and blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: It would definitely be, and it would move the ball
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: forward and it would get people to hear each other more.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: But there's such a need. Because it's entertainment.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You have to be there right away with a rebuttal.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what it is? It's entertainment disguised as
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: news for minimally engaged casual viewers.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Because it's not really people that are completely locked in
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: for the most part.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Not into it, no.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Most people are just flipping through the channels and something outrageous.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: What I think he's doing is bad for America. Oh,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: bad for America.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: What is he doing?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: And then you'll tune in. But if they don't say that,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: you're not going to pay attention.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: And then they're going to lose out on that Pfizer
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: dollars that's going to come during the ad break.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: If you say what you really think, it would be like, well,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: we'll see. It should be fine. In other ways, it
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: won't be, but nobody wants to watch that.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Well, because of the format, it's just a trick to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: get you to watch a commercial for Colgate.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the old days. That's the old days.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: It is now, too. If they can't get you to
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: stick around and wait for the commercials, they don't make
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: any money. The whole deal is they have to be
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: engaging enough to get you locked in so you can
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: see that Toyota truck commercial. And if they don't, they
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: don't make the money.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: No, that's the same with the little videos, too. Have
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: you ever seen back when there was... Police shooting videos,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: black people that were coming up a lot. They'd always,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: some news organization would get it. It would be theirs.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: And you go on YouTube to watch it, and there's
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: an ad. So it's like Snapple.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: The guy gets beat up, and then Snapple again.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: At the end.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: And they make money off that.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Snapple is like.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: So strange. The news is so bizarre. The format is
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: so bizarre.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: We get what we want from it, though, because everybody
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: likes to be entertained by news. So if there was,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: it's like drug use. If there isn't the user, then
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: the dealer goes broke.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Well, it's way less popular than it's ever been in
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: human history. Like in the history of television news, the news,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: like the evening news and CNN, those things are less
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: popular than they've ever been. Right. Ever. And it's because
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: people are tired of it. It's a shitty format. And
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: in comparison to long-form discussions, like independent interview shows. There's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: so many different political shows now and podcasts where people
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: have nuanced perspectives. And if you really want to understand
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: what's going on in the world, like complicated issues, like
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, you need people to
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: break it down to you. And they're not going to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: get it in five minutes. You're going to get, they
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: hate us for our freedom. That's what you're going to
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: get in five minutes. You're going to get nonsense talking points.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Now, I remember when I grew up, Walter Cronkite was
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: still on the air somewhere. I remember he was on CBS,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I think. My earliest news memory was when Apollo and Soyuz,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: the Russian and the American capsule, docked in midspace. There
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: was something where they were both up there once and
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: they ran into each other and saw each other from
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: the window and kind of got close and thought, hey,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: what if we could meet? So they went back and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: they fashioned a dock and This is like in the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: early 70s or mid-70s. And they went up and they
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: docked and then they hung out and drank vodka. Anyway,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: it was during the Cold War. It was a big deal.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: And I remember Walter Cronkite, I think this is what
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: But Walter Cronkite saying, if you live in the northeast
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: of the United States, if you go outside tonight, if
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: you look up, you'll see a red light and a
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: white light blinking next to each other. And that's them
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: in orbit. And I went up and I fucking saw
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: it and it just, I mean, it blew my mind.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: And the way he said it with a little bit
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: of a smirk, like, isn't that cool? Cause he was
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: very stoic, but there was a thing back then where
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: there was just him and David Brinkley. It was a
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: couple of news organizations and then like PBS and you
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: kind of got a sense that they were on it,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: that they, and also that it wasn't fun. It was,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: they had ethics that there took years of training in
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: college and school to get through. And that, and a
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: system of a hierarchy of whatever internships. And that by
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: the time you were running the network news, you were
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: a serious person that took it seriously. And I remember
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: maybe in the mid 80s when I started to hear
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: this sound from the news. that I thought, what are
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: you doing? And then sometimes it just sounded like this. Right.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: And they're saying, and I was like, what are you fucking,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: you were, I could hear the bullshit.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: And I knew that they were, but that, back then
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: they were just trying to make it sound interesting when
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: it wasn't. They didn't start having this opinion thing yet,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: But it became a show, and now it's a show
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: about opinions. It's entertainment, and like any other entertainment organization
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: in America- They ran it way past the finish. They
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: went way past. Nobody likes it anymore. And they're running
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: it to the ground. They can't just, they don't know
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: when to stop.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that's the train they're on, right? Do you
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: think Fox started it? Was it Fox that started this, like,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: aggressive sort of opinion version of the news? Were they
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: the first and then everybody else sort of had to
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: respond to it?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe. I don't know. Fox is the first to put.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Hot ladies in short skirts. They were the first.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Well, there was, I mean, look, Barbara Walters was hot
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: when she started.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Right, but she dressed appropriately. She was very attractive, but
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: she dressed appropriately.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Do you remember thinking that?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, I do. When you were a kid? You know what?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: She's attractive.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: She's very composed, and she dressed appropriately, and the way
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: she handled Sean Connery was great.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: I liked her. I found her. I liked the bump
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: on her nose. She had kind of a funny face.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: You liked that? Yeah. Why'd you like that?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I liked, uh, Barbra Streisand. That was
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: sort of the same for me.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: I like Lauren Hutton cause she had that gap in
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: her teeth.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Little flaws are very, very attractive.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Um, Barbra Streisand was one of the, was in this movie.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Um, what's it called? Uh, Stars Born?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: No fucking, um, with Ryan O'Neill.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: It's a great movie.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Peter Bogdanovich who just died. Uh, does this fella know?
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: The Way We Were? No, no.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: It was a comedy. Um, What's Up, Doc?
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: What's Up, Doc?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Great movie. Holds up.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Hilariously funny movie.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: And she was funny as fuck. She was really... To me,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: she was... I always liked funny women when I grew up.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: I was raised by a single mom, so women being like,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: you know... Three sisters. My whole life, I've raised two girls.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: All my dogs have been women.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Your dogs are women?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Well, girls.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: Women.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: I respect them.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: They're not girls.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: But I always liked her. She was funny and sexy.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: She was hot in the young days.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: When she was young. She did have that look.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Yep. Big nose.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Hot Jewish lady. Yeah.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Hot Jewish girls.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: Ooh.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, growing up in Newton. Yeah. The hot Jewish
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: girls were the thing. Yes.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: And they were cool and they were brassy and they
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: just say the thing. No, my girlfriend in high school
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: was Jewish. And I was deeply in love with her.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: I had one year, senior year.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Girlfriend. She was great. I didn't care about anything else.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: How did it fall apart?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: She went to college and I didn't. I never went
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: to college. So she went to Dartmouth. So now she's
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: in like Ivy League school.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: She can't be hanging out with a loser like you.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Fucking no. And I'm like showing up in a Datsun
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: B210 to visit her.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: And I saw the look on her face like, dude,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: you know you can't. You see these people?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Nah, man.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: This is over.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Hurt really bad, too.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: I saw her recently.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: She came and saw me on the road.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so happy to see her.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: God, that's got to be bizarre. Yes.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: First girlfriend, and we're in our 50s.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: Ooh.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Do you ever see any of your exes?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: No, not. I ran into my ex from high school
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: when I was 25 or 26. In New York.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's not that far after.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't that far after, but it was interesting.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: It was like we were kind of adults now.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: And we hung out in a little bit, but then
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: we went on a little road trip together and she
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: was so annoying. She was so annoying that I faked
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: that I had, my friend called me up and I
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: faked that I forgot to take him somewhere so I
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: could get rid of her. I go, I'm so sorry.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: I forgot. He's on my friend. Johnny's on the phone.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: What the fuck are you talking about? I go, dude,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I forgot I'm supposed to take you there. I'm really sorry. Oh, no. Listen,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: let me take care of it. I can still do it.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: Don't worry. I can take care of it. I told
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: her I'm really sorry, but I got to drive my friend.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I've lied to a lot of people.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: That was a good one. That was one that I
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: just really wish I hadn't done it. I really wish
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: I confronted her and said, listen, I know she drove from, like, D.C.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: to visit me. But it was awful. It was awful.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: She was just nagging. She would just, like, don't do this,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: don't do that. Like, I'd try to listen to music
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: in the car. She's like, I don't want to hear that.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like, why don't we listen to something that
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: we both like. It wasn't a conversation. It was just nag.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: And I remember, like, oh, this is what you were
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: like in high school.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: This is what she was like. So she just wanted
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: that back. She wanted that. I think for some people,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: that's a way of showing affection, you know?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was with her. No?
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: It was like, she was just a really strong girl.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: And she became a strong woman. She was very.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Very, like, very smart and just very rigid in what
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: she wanted and what she didn't want. And she just was,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, she was a bitch.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: She just, like.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Well, and you were only 25.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I was free at the time. I mean,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I was 25 and I was finally a professional comedian.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: I was actually making a living. I was doing comedy clubs.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I was doing okay.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, that gets back to the thing of life
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: being normal and competing with comedy. Yeah. Because comedy is
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: a weird life.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: It's too much fun.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, you're not going to drag me into
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: this shit. I know where this goes. This goes to
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: me being a henpecked husband, and you yelling at me
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: because I didn't do what you wanted me to do.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: No, and you're already sleeping until 2 in the afternoon
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: if you feel like it.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: And you're working. It's a joke to call it work.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: You're hanging out with guys that you like and you're
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: just out and meeting anybody you want. And you're in
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: New York City. You're like living Miles Davis's life.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was even worse than that because I was
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: hanging out at pool halls too.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: So that was my pool hall days. So all day long.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: This is what my day was. I'd wake up whenever.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: I'd go to the gym. I'd get a workout in.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: And then I would go to the pool hall. And
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I would go to the pool hall in the afternoon
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: and I'd hang out with the guys. We'd play pool.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: We'd talk shit. We'd have some lunch or whatever. And
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: then I'd go do shows. So I'd do shows at
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: night and then I'd come back to the pool hall
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: at midnight, 1 o'clock in the morning, and it would
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: be packed. And those fucking animals would be in there
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: gambling and talking shit and doing drugs. And they would
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: stay up until 5, 6 o'clock in the morning. And
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: then we would go to the Star Diner in Mount Vernon,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: New York. And we'd eat cheeseburgers. Like a cheeseburger deluxe.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: It was a cheeseburger with like coleslaw on it and
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: pickles and onions. And then I'd go to sleep and
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: I'd wake up and do it all again. So I
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: had this life of just like being around these degenerate
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: bachelors that were fun people with great stories and they
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: were always gambling. Everybody was gambling. And we're just playing
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: pool all the time. And to this girl who was
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: telling me, don't play that music. I don't like that music.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: I go, well, what do you like? She was just like,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: everything was like, don't chew that way, don't do this,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: don't do that.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: Especially New York, because it was wide open and it
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: was infinite and open all night. And I remember those
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: early years in my 20s, living in New York, and
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: I would do sets until four in the morning sometimes.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: The improv on 44th and 9th, the last set was
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: like 3.50 on a Saturday. It was something crazy like that.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: How many people were in the audience?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: No, barely anybody. but you kept going, you know, just
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: all night shows. Like I had a motorcycles because you
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: could get to shows faster through traffic. You could do eight,
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: nine shows a night. Um, and then you just get
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: paid cash and you're, I mean, it was a great life.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: And then me and, uh, uh, like Kevin Brennan and,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: and Dave Attell and a guy named Dan Vitale, who
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: just passed away. And a few other guys used to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: go to the diner on the Westway diner on ninth Avenue.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: And the Westway was, um, All the street came into Westway,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: like everybody that's out hustling, you know, Midtown and Times Square.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Back then, Times Square was still filthy. And so there
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: were vice. There was always like a table of vice
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: cops and then like a table of transvestite hookers. And
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: they're out on the street there after each other. But
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: everybody goes to the same diner.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: So it's like Wile E.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: Coyote.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Wile E. Coyote and the whatever. And
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: they punch in. How you doing, buddy? Yeah, it was
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: like that. And the cops always had their guns, you know,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: their shoulder holster guns. And there'd be a table of comics.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: And we would just sit there and eat fucking Greek food. And,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: you know, and just hang out and watch this weird,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: you know. I was so happy then. I was just
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: so happy.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: It's such a fun time. Yeah. You know, you don't
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: really know what's going to happen. You hope that you
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: make it. You hope you can continue to make a living.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: But it's such a fun time of complete freedom. You know,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: I loved it. It was enough to pay my rent
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: in New York City. And at the time, I liked
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: New York City a little more than I do now
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: because there was more, like, cool stuff like bookstores and
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: tower records. And there was more movie theaters and it
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: was more off the wall culture and strange stuff to
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: see and, and more restaurants and diners. There's really not
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: all night diners in Manhattan anymore. There isn't? They're gone.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: Like me and Bobby Kelly, when we were getting ready
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: to do his special, uh, I went to watch him
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: at the cellar and then I said, let's go to
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: a diner and talk it over. And we walked around there,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: couldn't find one. They all clubbed and they closed.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: At like midnight. Now, is that because of crime?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Well, COVID killed a lot of places. I mean, it
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: really just really distinctly changed the city and it's, it's
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: thriving New York. It's really like, there are sometimes I'd
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: hear people talk on your show and other shows saying
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: like this city, New York city is dead and it's dangerous.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, I don't know. We're here.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: Like, it's okay.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: It's a very resilient city. It's been through a lot.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's bouncing back.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Just the fucking sheer numbers.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just so many people. Someone's going to pick
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: up slack.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: Somebody's business will fail. A lot of businesses fail.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Katz's Deli's still open, right? Sure. That's open late.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know how late they're open.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: I think they're open until like 2 or 3 in
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: the morning.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: They might be.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: That place is amazing.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: I love that place.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: That's my favorite New York place to eat late night.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: It hasn't changed. You give them the ticket, and then
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: the guy— You're paying cash. Yeah, you're paying cash, and
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: the guy gives you a little piece of pastrami while
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: you're waiting, and you tip him.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then you take these fat chunks of pastrami
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: on rye back to you and a big pickle.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. So good. Last time I was there,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: I rented a Jeff Ross. I'm like, this is the
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: perfect place for you.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where he belongs.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Katz's Delicatessen, open 24 hours.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: Fuck yeah.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: That's all that's left. That's what you want. God, I
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: want to fly there right now and go eat. It's
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: so good.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: The brisket.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: Everything's great.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: Fucking the fries are good.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: And they've been open since like the 1800s. Forever. Oh,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: look at that sandwich.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: Forever.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Look at that fucking beautiful. Oh, so good. It's such
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: a classic Jewish delicatessen. Yep. Just classic.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: There used to be a bunch more. There was a
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: place called Ratner's on Delancey.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: That was better. Jerry's Deli went under in LA.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they all.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: That's a sad. COVID killed Jerry's Deli.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: Jerry's Deli was incredible. I fucking loved that place. I
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: used to stop at. Well, the one in Woodland Hills
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: went under before COVID, but I used to stop there
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: on the way home from the comedy store. I'd call
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: my wife. I'm like, look, I'm going to Jerry's Deli.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: What do you want? Nice. Pastrami, Reuben, a bowl of soup,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: and we'd eat together after my set. It was amazing.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: That's great. So much fun.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: That's great.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Jerry's Deli was such a good place to meet people, too. Like, yeah,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: let's go talk about it. We'll go meet at Jerry's Deli.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: Go sit there, go over jokes and shit.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of stood out. I mean, probably younger
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: generations have their own version of that. But ours, we're 55,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: so there's less of us. Most people our age are
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: pretty settled. They're not going out anymore.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: But the thing about the delis, for me, was always
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: the history. It wasn't just that the food was amazing.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: It's like, this place has been here since 1875. This
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: place has been here since 1946. It's like, there's, like,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Cantor's is another great place.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they still have that. In LA, you can still
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: go to Cantor's. I remember going to Cantor's and seeing...
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: I was with a comedian. Her name was Felicia Michaels.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: You remember Felicia? Yeah, I remember Felicia.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: I was hanging out with Felicia and we went to Cantor's.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: And it was my first time in L.A. And Jackie
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Mason was there.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: And I just watched him check her ass out. He
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: just checked out Felicia's ass with that kind of, like
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: he nodded. He nodded at her ass like, mm-hmm.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: And she's standing there. She had no idea.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Well, Jackie Mason was a guy who got kicked off
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: of the Ed Sullivan show because Ed Sullivan claimed that
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: he gave him the finger. Yes. And so he got
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: banned from television forever.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I went to the Museum of Broadcasting or
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: whatever it is in New York where they have all
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: the archives because I wanted to see that tape because
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: I read his description of it and I saw it.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: What is it? Did he give him the finger? No.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: What happened was the way he tells the story is
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: that he was doing his set and I guess Ed
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: was kind of, I don't know. He was a little
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: nutty and he wanted him off. He didn't, he wanted
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: him to quit, to stop. He wanted to get him
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: off early or something. And so he got behind the
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: camera and he was giving him two minutes. It was
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: like giving him a, like himself. And, and Jackie's trying
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: to do his set. And he goes, what are you
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: showing me a finger?
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Here's a finger.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: You want a finger? Here's a couple of fingers for you.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Like he just sort of like flashed fingers around. Cause
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Ed Sullivan was showing him like making finger signs in
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: him that he didn't understand. He wasn't, He wasn't told
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: that Ed Sullivan would give him a two-minute signal.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Just Ed Sullivan came over. He was stressed out for
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: some reason. And I saw the tape. And it goes
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: by very quickly. But he goes, whoa, whoa, finger, finger.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: You want fingers? Fingers, fingers.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Is that available on YouTube? You got it? Here.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: Before he had in Jackie.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: Someone else talking over it. Yeah, that's it.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Apparently give Sullivan finger.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: On this day in 1960.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Wow. Look how young he was. Just play it a
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: On the Ed Sullivan Show. During his set, Sullivan gave
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: Mason a signal indicating that he had two minutes left
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: before he had to finish up. Mason then gestured at
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: Sullivan and it was interpreted as him giving the host
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: the finger.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: They're not going to show it.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: See if you can find it.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: If he's just talking over it, that's not it.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Right, see if you can find it.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: No, that's how you know.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: It's a similar bullshit thing. Yeah, there's so many of those. Well,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: I think they have to do that so that some, like,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: you know, like you have You can't just own someone's stuff,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: but if you do commentary over it and then you
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: play it, then they can't give you a copyright strike
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: on it because you've altered it enough with your commentary. Unfortunately,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: no footage from that specific incident exists on YouTube. Yes. However,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: it's been widely argued that Mason never did flip off Solomon. No,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: he didn't do it.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I saw it.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: I saw it.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that place is still there.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: You're supposed to be kind of an asshole, supposedly.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: Who?
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Ed Sullivan.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, you'd think.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: With that, just what he did. You know, he's like,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: you ever see Sweet Smell of Success?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: It's one of the best movies ever. Really?
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: So good.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: What is it? It's Tony Curtis and Burt Lancaster.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: What year is it?
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Uh, 50s, early 60s. Patty Chayefsky wrote it, so.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, I knew that.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: It's 57. So, Tony Curtis plays a, um, He's a publicist.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: It's this New York.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at the images. It's fucking beautiful, this movie.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: And it's all about nightlife in New York.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: In the 50s. Yeah, in the 50s.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: And this guy, Burt Lancaster, plays J.J. Hunsucker, who's a columnist.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: And he makes people famous by writing just little snippets
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: about them in his column. And Tony Curtis plays a
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: publicist who tries to shill items to him. He represents...
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: comedians and there's a comedian in the, in, in the movie. Um,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: and so, and he's a bullshitter and this guy is
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: really powerful and he changes people's lives and show business.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: And he's also very conservative. And, but anyway, uh, he
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: has also a TV show and that's, that's where Ed
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Sullivan came from. He had like a column where he
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: would write, you know, great young comic, just, and people
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: cared about his opinion. He became very powerful. And then
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: he had like a radio program where he would say this,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: this young artist. And then, and then he started his show.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: So J.J.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Hunsucker is kind of like a version of Ed Sullivan.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: And he's a bastard.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if people knew that about Ed Sullivan,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: but he ruins lives and pits people against each other.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: It's a very dirty movie.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: If you go back to those days when there was
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: only one or two, you had Jack Parr, you had
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: Ed Sullivan, there was only one or two guys that
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: was in control of the day gateway to show business
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Like Johnny Carson was like
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: that in a lot of ways.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Being on Carson made your whole life.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: And he, if he liked you and if you sat
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: on the couch next to Carson, I mean that made
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Richard Jenny's career. That's really where he took off from.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: That's where I first saw him. I used to watch
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: the tonight show specifically just to watch the standups.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: And Rich Jenny did a great thing I'd never seen before,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: which is he did us one subject set about jaws three.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, but he could do that, though.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: He did. But that said, if you ever find it,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: just him talking about Jaws 3 for five minutes.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: See if you can find it.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: It's the greatest.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Richard Jenney was the very best at squeezing all of
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: the material, all of the.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: I'm glad you're all in a good mood tonight because
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: that's important for a young comedian who's making his very
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: first appearance on The Tonight Show. And Richard's going to
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 5: be seen this September on the annual Young Comedian Special
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: on HBO. And he'll be performing in New York City
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: at Caroline's at the Seaport.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Caroline's at the Seaport.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: Would you welcome, please, Richard Jenney.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: Richard! Nervous as fuck.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: Look at him. Look at that suit.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: Hello.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Hello, hello.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: You're in a great mood. You like this suit? Do
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: you think I should have worn this?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: It fits good, but it takes so long to wax it.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: It's a New York suit.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: I'm a New York guy.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 4: That's where I got it. I just came back from
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: there performing. That was fun. Then after that, I went
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: up to Canada. Canada's just like New York backwards, isn't it?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: You go up there, everybody's going, how's it going, eh?
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: Then you go back to New York, and the people, hey,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: how's it going?
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: It's like the same thing.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: Hey, get off the car. Get off the car, eh?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: It's like the same thing. And I went down to Miami,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: had a good time. That's fun.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: You get on a, yeah, a couple people.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: You get down there, they have the Hispanic thing going
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: on a plane. You get on a plane and they're like,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: for your convenience, we have air sickness bags. And someone
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: else goes, he always have the same. I think if
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: the plane crashes, they'll have to do that. They'll have
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: to be going, we're about to crash. Por favor, kiss
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: your butt, buenas noches.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: 1980s comedy. So interesting.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: Quick rapid fire. I had a good time, though.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: It just gets lonely on the road, boy. You know
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: how you can tell you're getting lonely? When you're sitting
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: in your hotel going, gee, I never noticed it before,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: but Wilma Flintstone doesn't have a bad body.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: That's the sanitized version of that joke.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: Your friends are going, you're just lonely. Oh, no, really.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: She's got a nice ass. Yeah, that's what it was.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: In the clubs, it was nice ass. Thank you.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: I got so desperate for something to do one night,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: I actually went to the video store. Listen to this.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: I rented all four Jaws movies in a row. This
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: is a little point in your life. When it's like 4.45,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: you're watching Jaws for the Revenge.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: That's the title.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: Jaws for the Revenge. And you're sitting there going, this
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be the title. The title should be, Here's a Fish,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: You're Stupid. That's the title. You ever see a movie
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: like so bad that they just slap you in the
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: face with how.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Bad it is?
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: You can't even pretend. You go, you know, maybe this
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: movie isn't that bad. I'm not wasting my life. And
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: they just go, yes, you are. Are you sure? Absolutely.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: Look at you.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: It's four in the morning.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: You're sitting there with one sweat sock and a burrito
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: watching a shark that only kills one family out of
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: an entire ocean full of perfectly edible people for no
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: reason that we ever explain. And you won't turn at
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: all because you think it's.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Going to get better.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: A movie....
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: I'm still in pain from this. A movie so stupid
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: that no matter how stupid... You couldn't be stupid enough
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: to enjoy it. Let's say you have no brain at all.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: Let's say you're sitting on your bed. Here's you. A
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: bucket of popcorn and a spinal cord. That's it. Even
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: your spinal cord has to go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not a brain. I don't have thoughts. But what
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: is going on here? The mother of the family, check
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: this out, has three people in her family eaten by
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: the shark in one week. So a genius in her
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: own right, she comes up with a plan. She says, well,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: shark is obviously after our family. Can't put anything over
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: on me. There's only one thing to do, we'll have
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: to leave town. And you're going, leave town? Wouldn't an
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: apartment building be sufficient protection from the average shark? I mean,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: even if he's a really ambitious shark, right? Let's say,
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: by the time he gets to the apartment building, cars
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: in the guest spot, explains himself to the doorman, come
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: up in the elevator, you would most likely smell fish
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: and run. No, the mother is leaving town altogether. And
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: you sit there. And you're going, well, why doesn't the
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: mother just not go in the water? Wouldn't that make
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: more sense? And they go, well, ordinarily, yeah, but this
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: is stupid. You see, in a stupid movie, everyone's stupid.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: The mother is stupid. The people that made it are stupid.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: But none of them are as stupid as you, because
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: it is now 501, and you still think this is
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: going to get better.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: And look at it. In his head, he's like, I
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: am destroying on Carson.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: This is coming up.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: With plans to kill these people that the CIA couldn't
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: figure out. I've caught fish. They're not that brilliant. They
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: don't even make any noise when you're about to kill them.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: You ever see if they come up on a hook going...
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: If they had any brains, they'd make noise. You wouldn't
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: be able to kill them. They'd be going, ah, ah, ah!
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: And you'd have to go, whoa! Start the boat, I'll
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: get a burger at the dock. Did you see what
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: just took place over there? So now comes the turning
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: point in your life. If you don't turn off the
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: movie now, just do the world a favor, and when
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: the credits roll, get a vasectomy. The mother... gets on
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: a plane to get away from the shark, but before
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: she goes, has an affair with Michael Caine. Typical reaction
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 4: to this kind of tragedy. That's what I would do.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: Most people would say, gee whiz, three people in my
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: family have been eaten by a shark in one week.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: Geez, am I horny.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: Man, I don't know.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: Man, why don't me? My goodness.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, God.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 4: Ooh, ooh, the tragedy, the bloodshed. Stop me, I'm vibrating.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: Where's a blow-up towel when you need one? Ooh, I mean,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: so now, get this, here's the crescendo. The mother gets
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: on a plane in Long Island, New York, to get
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: away from the shark. Flies to the Bahamas.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Are you with me here?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: An ideal place to avoid a fish. Let's go out
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 4: surrounded by water. When she gets there, guess what? Not
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: only has the shark discovered that they have travel plans
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: to go to the Bahamas, But to boot, he has
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: beat the jet to the Bahamas.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: They land.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: There he is, a couple of beers, Ray-Bans. And you're going,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: but wait a minute, that was a jet. Wouldn't a
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: jet be faster than a shark? And they go, well, ordinarily.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: But again, this is stupid. You see, in a stupid movie,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: shark is the fastest transportation available. See, if you're going
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: to London from New York, let's.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: Say, right?
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: Tear up them Concorde tickets. Get the next fish out
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: of town.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, they played him off. Interesting.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Well, they were probably told that's his last line.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: Get the next fish out of town.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That made him.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: That made him in hot with the music, yeah.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw him at Catch Rising Star when I
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: was an open mic-er. I went to see him. I
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: sat in the front row. It was amazing. It was
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: like a half-filled crowd. Right. Yeah, like a Wednesday night show.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Catch Rising Star in Cambridge.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: Still the best way to see stand-up comedy.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Is in a dead club.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: You get to see the real deal.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: That brings out the best in every.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: I've been... When I was getting ready for this tour,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: I'm on now, I was at the Cellar or Bunch...
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: And like, I usually, that's where I usually build this stuff. And, um,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: I was struggling a lot of sets because the cellar
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: has become very, um, trendy. Uh, there's a lot of
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: cooler people that go there, like nicely dressed young people
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: go to the cellar. It's a scene now. So it's
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: not automatic that they're going to get, it's not, it's
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: like a weird thing. And it's actually good, I think,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: in a sense, because you got to fight for your
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: laughs a little more than we used to. But, uh,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: But I've done some shows this year where, like, I'm struggling. I'm, like,
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: every bit is pissing them off. And not for, like, pee.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: reasons but just because they're not trained comedy audiences and
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: they're like ew it's more that old thing remember before
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: like um that's problematic there was just ew right so
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: it's like that again and i'm just struggling but i
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: got not nowhere to go all my shit is in
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: this set is kind of nasty so i'm just getting
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: through it But there's, out of the 100 people that
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: saw this, there's about 20 of them who are fucking
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: having the best time of their lives. Like, they're laughing
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: so hard. Because not only are they seeing jokes that
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: they like, they like my jokes, they're getting to watch
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: people get really offended, and they're getting to watch me squirm. Like,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: every time I do a joke and it would kind
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: of get this, ugh, then I'd go like, you'd see
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: me go, fuck, and I'd hear people go like, This
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: is the, like, high-fiving, like, this is the best night.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: So much better than seeing your favorite comic in a
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: theater where everybody loves him. I don't know if it's
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: so much better, but it's definitely different. It's just there's
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: more friction to it. So there's more going on.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: One of the, when I was, like, early days, like,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: open mic-er, me and Fitzsimmons saw Bill Hicks bomb at
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: Nick's Comedy Stop.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: Most of the times, that's what he did.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: And clear the fucking room. But at the end of
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: his set, there was 50 people left. What does Nick's hold,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: like 300 plus people?
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: It was big, about 300.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: So at the end of the set, there's 50 people
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: left in the audience and maybe 20 comedians. And Fitzsimmons
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: and I are just fucking howling.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: We're howling.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: We thought it was so funny, and it was so
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: funny that he was clearing the room. And he went
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: on after Larry Norton. Do you remember Larry Norton?
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Comic on a Harley.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: I'm Larry Norton. I'm a comic on a Harley.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: That's it. So Larry Norton killed, and then Hicks went
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: on after him. And Hicks is fucking existential angst and
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes and cancer and this and that. And then
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: the audience is just fucking leaving. And so he's doing,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that bit that he does about, I
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: think it's like the devil fucks John Davidson in the ass.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: Yes, and Debbie Gibson. Or no, that was Jimi Hendrix
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: fucking Debbie Gibson with his guitar.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Pfft.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: That was a different one. You wanted it rock and roll,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: didn't you, Debbie?
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: No!
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a different one. So he's doing this
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: bit where John Davidson is shitting out the devil's kid.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: That's where.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: I remember that.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: He's squatting, and he's like.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: And he.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: Looks up and he goes... Yeah, this generally clears a room.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: And the people are just getting up in fucking droves.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: And we were howling. We thought it was so funny. Yep.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: We thought it was so funny. It was just, it
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: was nice to see this guy who was so, like, respected. Right.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: But eating shit in front of a bunch of people
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: who didn't know who he was.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: He ate shit a lot.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: I worked with him.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: I opened for him at the San Francisco Punchline. And
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: there were some nights where he was destroying, just killing people.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: He did this whole thing about they should use terminally
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: ill patients as stuntmen.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Yes. For Chuck Norris movies. Yeah.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: He goes, do you want your grandmother to die alone
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: in a room of strangers with her veins fading into dust?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Or do you want her to meet Chuck Norris? And
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: he'd do this thing of sending out like this person
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: who's like half dead. And then he just, Chuck Norris
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: just kicks her head off. Just kicks it off. And
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: you go, whoa, you know. But he was destroying some shows.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: And then other shows, just nothing. Just nothing.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: Just they didn't get it. They didn't want to hear it.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: He didn't have a gear to go to.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: And he didn't have.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I learned from it. Because I used to
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: think you could make these jokes work for some of
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: these people that don't like them. You could just... I
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: just reach out a little bit. It doesn't mean changing
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: the jokes. It just means... Just give it, it's just
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: something in your eyes that says, look, I know you're
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: having a hard time, but I don't mean you any harm.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: I just, this is, this is funny if you listen,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: I swear to God, just get, you know, get through it.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: He wasn't interested in making that bridge.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: No, he wasn't.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: He wasn't.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: He was a bit of a misanthrope.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: Also a very sweet guy in his way, you know, but.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never got the chance to talk to him.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked him.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: I only said hi to him once. Uh-huh. Nick's comedy stopped.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, ooh.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think he noticed much about me, but I
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: worked with him a number of times.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: And I liked him. I liked, I liked listening to him.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: I liked his act. He also was a good comic.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: Like he'd made good noises with a microphone and stuff.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: Cause he came from here. He came from Texas and
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Sam and all those guys. There was that, this was
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: a big scene.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. This was the scene at one point in time.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you think of Kennison and him both coming
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: out of here. Crazy. Pretty wild. And those guys were,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, Kenison was probably the most revolutionary comedian of
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: our lifetime. You think so? Yeah. There'd never been anybody
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: like him.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden screaming, I was married!
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Twice!
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Hell would be like Klopman!
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, he was like, where did this come from?
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: Totally different than any other kind of comedy.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: I think Steve Martin was like that too in a
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: totally different tone. He was the one that excited me
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: the most. Like I loved Cosby and Pryor and Carlin
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: when I was a kid. But Steve Martin was the
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: first one where I went, you're not even doing show business.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Right. What are you doing?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: You're just being really weird. And I love it and
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: other people love it. He was the guy who made
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: me think maybe I could do this.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah. That's interesting.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: He was the first person I watched that I thought.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: There's other ways because I wasn't a slick guy who
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: can talk and then talk like this and then.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: Talk like that, you know.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: And prior with this, just these skills were just swim
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: around my head. Like I could never do that, especially
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: as a kid, you know.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: But when I saw him, I was like, that's how
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: I talk with my friends. That's how, that's the kind
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: of jokes I make. And that's, and the off, no
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: rhythm to it, you know. I'm so mad at my mother.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: Like just odd, weird stuff, you know.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: He was so weird. It's kind of a bummer that
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: he stopped doing standup because it was so good. And when,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: you know, back in those days, like, what was that? Like,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: I guess early eighties? Uh, seventies. When he was really
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: killing it? I think. Seventies?
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: Mid to late seventies. It was disco time. He had
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: a white suit.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Which was kind of a disco thing. So it was
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: around the time of like Saturday Night Fever. There was
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: this time when there's so many hits, hit things back then.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: There was Saturday Night Fever and all of this is
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: compressed in my head, but Jaws and Star Wars and
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: Rocky and Steve Martin was the comedian of that time. That's,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: those were all the golden things that were like killing people.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Making tons of money. Everybody loved those things.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: I remember reading that he had decided at one point
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: in time that the audiences liked him too much for
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: being Steve Martin. And then he would go out there
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: and he couldn't get a gauge as to what was
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: funny and what was not. Because they were just so
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: happy to see him. Yeah.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: He did arenas. Yeah. And people would just scream.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't the same anymore. I mean, it was
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: a good discipline. I think there's truth to that, I think.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: There's definitely truth to that. I mean, I think it
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: can be navigated, but you're definitely in some very tricky waters. Like,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: you can still do comedy. And I think what we
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, what you do a lot by
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: showing up at clubs where they don't know you're going
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: to be there and just actually working out stuff. You
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: really do get to figure out what's funny and what's not,
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: whereas I know guys who have their own crowds who
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: never perform in front of anyone but their crowd.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: It's diminishing returns.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: It's just not going to be.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could do that, and your crowd might
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: You could do it, but you get more out of
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: fucking around.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: It's the only way to do it is to go
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: on and do clubs and unannounced and start with zero
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: jokes and struggle. Have a bunch of bad sets.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: Get through. Even at the cellar, people, when they recognize me,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: they're happy to see me. And then I'm like, well,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: here comes new jokes.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: And they just, within a, because that evaporates.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: No one pretends to laugh at you.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: No one will pretend to laugh at you. So the
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: first couple of jokes, they go, what? And I usually
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: would try opening with stuff that's not, this ain't going
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: to get it. This isn't going to work probably. And
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: get them to this level. And I'm like, okay, here
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: we are. I don't want to be here, but this
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: is where. You know, it's like if you're in the gym.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: You don't go to the gym to have a good time.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: And you get into like, I'm glad, I'm proud of myself.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: I'm at the gym today.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: But the first moves you make, you're like, this fucking sucks.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: But so you get through shitty 10 minutes of jokes
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: and you've maybe got one joke. So you do that
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: night after night till you get 10, 20 jokes. And
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: then after you get 20 minutes and you've done it
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: a few times, you, if you have the discipline, you
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: stop doing those jokes and you start again with a
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: new 20.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: From nothing. And this is the way I usually do it.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: I end up with two 20 minute sets and then
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: I start mixing them a little bit. And then I
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: start going to stuff in the notebook that never worked
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: and never should have worked or things I was too
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: scared to try. You know, when you write something on
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: your notes for a news comedy set and But when
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: you look at it, you go, I ain't doing that.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: I thought of it. It sounded good today. I'm not
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: touching that. I always have a set when I'm developing
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: where I go, you have to do a set that's
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: only those now.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: Only things that you just shouldn't be doing or things
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: that have gotten silence. It's like this is the last
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: chance for these bits tonight. And no bits that have
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: been getting laughs. That's a rough set. That's a rough set.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: But if anything makes it out of it, It's good.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: That's a fucking. some of those bits have ended up
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: being the best bit.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 6: Isn't that wild yeah the best always the best bits
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 6: I have in a special like the ones that are
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: like that just kills every time that started with silent
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 6: hate it hate it.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: It's wild it's such a wild process yeah the beginning
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: to the end when you write Do you sit in
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: front of a computer, like, specifically trying to come up
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: with material?
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: Never did it.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: I never wrote jokes, ever.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: Do you write ideas? Or do you just write bullet points?
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: I have. I write it down like one word, you know,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: because I need to write on stage. If I write offstage,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: it comes out writer. And then it's like you're using
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: your hand to write, and then you're using your eyes
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: to read it.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: And then it's coming out your mouth.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: So when I have an idea, you know, that moment
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: where you go, oh, it's a bit. It's fucking maddening,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: but it comes when it comes. You're in conversation or
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: you're in the car or wherever.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: You go, fuck, that's a bit about whatever, about zoo lions.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: And I avoid thinking about it. I don't want to
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: work it out. I just write down zoo lions. And
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: I know that it's in the ether. I know the
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: general feeling. And I wait till I'm on stage that night.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: And I explain it to them. And the audience is
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: there as a target.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: So I for the first time work it out. And
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: then it's like that's the bit. Because I know I
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: can't think straight as a comic unless I'm on stage.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: Did you develop this process over time? Have you always
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: done it that way? Or did you initially try to
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: write the jokes out first?
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: I could never do it. I was a bad student
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: in school. I didn't go to college. I barely graduated
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: high school because I can't. do work like that. I can't,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I learned to do it when I started
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: working in TV and movies, but when you're writing scripts
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: and stuff, yeah, I can write when I have to,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: but I have a huge agita problem and whatever it,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: many D's and H's and all that shit. So I
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: would just do little set lists and that's the way
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: I always did it. I never wrote, there's no written
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: word of my act. It's because you're spoken in your
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: speech center, when it generates the work, that's where it's
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: supposed to come from.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: It's a spoken word.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: And then I do a lot of work. I record
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: every set and I listen to them. And I do now,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: I work on paper by, but it's kind of like research.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: I listened to the set and I write notes like
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: this last whole, uh, tour I had to do cause
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: I had to come up with the material a little quicker,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: but I write notes about what worked, what didn't, what's innovating, um,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: that last set, I was funny when I did this,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Stuff like that.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: And before, uh, if I take a break of, of
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: three days or more before the day of the show,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: I sit down and I write a set list, even
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: if it's identical to the last one. I just, I
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: listened to the last show I did and I write
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: down the tonight's order. It's like the lineup for baseball.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: I always do that when I do arenas.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: I always, I, what I do is I get index
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: cards and I'll actually write the bullet points for each
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: bit and I lay them out on the coffee table. Right.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: In the green room. I get there early and I
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: write all that stuff out.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: That way I'm good. Like my head, I know I
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: remember it. You got to load it in.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: You got to, you got to live, be living it.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: You got to be, like, it's got to be refreshed. Like,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: I know I just did a set last night. I'm
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: ready to go. I'm not unconfident about it, but I
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: know that the right way to do it is to
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: sit down and to write down these index cards and
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: to set them out and have all the punchlines. Because
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: the fucking thing that drives me more nutty than anything is, like,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: when I forget a tag.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: It's a shame. Then I leave and I'm like, fuck,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: I forgot that part about the guy. Yeah.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: Ugh.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: And then the rest of the night, it doesn't matter.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh, Standing Ovation, great show. No, no, no.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: That tag is gone. That's everything. They didn't get it.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: Destroyed.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they missed it.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because your brain. I remember my mom teaching.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: My mom was in computers when I was a kid.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: She was a computer programmer when they were punch cards
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: and stuff from the beginning.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: My stepdad did that too. Oh, yeah?
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: And then she had a terminal at home with a
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: big modem and a phone going.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: And yeah. So she taught me about computers. And the
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: thing I always remembered was that there's main memory and
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: then there's auxiliary memory. So auxiliary memory, I might be
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: getting the words wrong, is stuff that's on tape that's stored.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: And main memory is the, it's like RAM.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: It's the working, buzzing, loaded into the hopper, what you've
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: got working. And then you have stuff on tape and
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: you can access it anytime you want. Oh, remember this,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: remember this, remember this. But you're set from the times
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: you've been doing it over and over again. It's kind
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: of on tape. And when you're on stage, your brain
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: goes and accesses it. But doing like the cards before,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: it loads it into the RAM. It loads it into
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: the present moment. Because especially when you're doing big things
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: like an arena, you get adrenaline.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: And you start thinking about the size and then that's nowhere.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: There's no help there.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: It's all negative.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't be thinking about any of that.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: At all.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: The thing you should be thinking about, you shouldn't be
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: thinking about what do I need and all this bravado stuff. Right.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be a star or I'm going to kill.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: That's the worst. Death.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: Death. The only thing you should be thinking about is cows.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: Because you're talking about cows. You shouldn't be thinking, this
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: is my bit about these cows and here's what's gotten
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: a laugh before. You should be thinking about, here's how
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: I feel about cows.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: You should be in the feeling. My favorite shows are
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: when I feel very present.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: And sometimes they're because I studied, but sometimes they're because
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: I haven't been on stage in a long time and
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: I'm having to remember. And I go, yeah, fuck. And
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: I get the feelings get a little more. real.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's also a little, sometimes when I do too
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: much standup, I lose a touch of enthusiasm and sometimes
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: it's actually good to take a day or two off
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: and then I jump back in and then I'm kind
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: of excited. Yes.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: That's why this, like I'm doing tonight, the, what do
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: you call it?
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: The Moody?
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: The Moody Theater in Austin and then tomorrow again and
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: then San Antonio. And I just did New Orleans and Mobile.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: It was five nights, which is a lot for me.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: And then I go up to Baltimore and DC, but
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: then I take two nights off before the garden and
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: that's pretty decent amount. Two nights.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: Yes. That's perfect.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: So you'd be juicy.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: I won't think about my set at all for two days.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: And then, and I'll work out and exercise. I kind
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: of train for this stuff because my feeling is the
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: show has to be great. That's my responsibility. You, if
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: you're not in shape, then the show is as good
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: as your luck, right? If you have a good crowd,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: you'll have a good show. And if it's just a
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: good night and things line up right, you'll have a
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: good show. But if you leave it up to that,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: you're a fucking asshole. If you're in shape and you
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: have wind and your mind gets clearer when you're in
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: better shape and you try not to eat sugar and stuff,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: then no matter what, the show is going to be great.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: If the crowd sucks, I'm just going to have to
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: work a lot harder. It's not up to them how
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: good this show is. It's just I'm going to have
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: to put in a lot more fucking effort. So I
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: need to be healthy enough that when they suck, I'm great.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: And that when they're great, it's out of the park.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: It's complete.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: I remember you telling me about this back in the
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: day where you used to run. You used to like
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: run like you're training for a fight. Yeah, I do.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing right now.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: I was on the steps machine for an hour. And
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: I train for however long I try to do the
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: steps machine for how long the set is I'm doing.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: And I watch Ali Frazier fights or.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: No shit.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I watch 15 round goal fights and I pick
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: a guy that I'm him. And with the level of
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: the machine, I follow his effort. Oh, wow. So when
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: Ali's back is on the ropes, I go down to
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: five a little bit. And then when he comes off
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: the ropes, I go to six. And when he starts
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: firing away, I go to eight.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: And I go up and down a lot. And it's
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: very good for your heart, you know.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: It's very good for anxiety. Yeah, there's a thing about
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: exercise before any big event. I think it burns off
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: all the residual, ancillary, unnecessary stress. Because there's like a
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: certain amount of stress that I think people just naturally
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: carry in their bodies. And if you don't exercise, you're
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: going to have a certain amount of tension and a
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: little weirdness that it's just energy. Because your body's designed
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: to run away from fucking saber-toothed tigers and fight off villagers.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: That's the body that we're dealing with today is the
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: same body that people had 10,000, 15,000 years ago.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: That's what I think what's special about humans is that
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: some of us try that extra step. In other words,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: every animal has that. If there's trouble, get the fuck away.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: You know, they have a calculation in their heads. Who
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: can I take and who can't I, you know?
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: So....
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: Sometimes there's a confrontation. This guy's a match for me.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to, you know, like two bears fighting.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: So they have that thing. But humans go like, if
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: I try to hang in there or if I hide
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: or if I, you know, I might be able to
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: get something out of this. Like it's worth doing something dangerous.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: It's worth going not, it's worth resisting fight or flight.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: Because if I'm still hanging around after the flash blasts,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: point moment is over, I might be able to do
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 2: something that somebody else couldn't do. That's a very human
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: thing is to think past the fight or flight moment.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: And also being able to like not confront somebody like
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: you're the guy in the, in the cafe Like, do
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: I need to fight or flight? Is there something else?
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: That's I think particularly human. It's like, can I just,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it is gorillas that do it. I
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: have no idea.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: Probably not.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: No, it's probably a human thing.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: It's just going like, I could fight, I could flight.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: He looks like he wants to fight. But if I
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: just waited a few extra seconds and let, and keep my,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: if I can discipline my heart rate and not listen
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: to the reptile and just cool off, I might be
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: able to get something out of this. I think that's
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: what helps me on stage. Cause there's a fight or
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: flight moment when I do, you know, an abortion joke
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: or something and everyone's just upset that I brought it
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: up and I'm like, that's all right.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: I've seen this. That comes from experience. I've seen this.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: I know there's a moment past this that's worth it.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: And the payoff is extra sweet.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: It's huge because nobody does it.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of people do it, but it's rarer.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: It's rare. And then when you do get that juicy payoff,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: you're like, yes! It's so much better than something that's
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: easy to get to. Yes. Yeah.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: Which has its own charm.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing wrong with a good, easy joke. No.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: I enjoy all kinds of jokes.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: So do I. Jim Gaffigan is one of my favorite
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: guys because he just keeps coming. He's got this constant flow.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: And in a huge laugh, but he walks past it.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: He's one of my favorites.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: He's great.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: And it's such an interest. No one else has quite
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: that talking and talking. Very different. Brian Regan's another killer
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: clean guy, but it's punchier. It's a whole other thing.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: But it's not better.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: You ever notice?
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: There's a misnomer about, or whatever you want to call it,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: about dirty comedy being easy. I don't buy that.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: I don't buy it.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: When comedians say, like clean comedians or comedians that are
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: purists say, well, that's an easy laugh because it's about dicks.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: I always want to say, well, you do it.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: Go up and get the easy laughs with the dirty shit. Yeah.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: There's no such thing as an easy laugh.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: There's none.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: Joey Diaz used to do this bit about what he
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: called doing the pigeon. And he goes, that's when you're
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: eating a girl's monkey from behind. You stick your nose
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: in her asshole like a fucking pigeon. And somebody said
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: that about it, like, oh, God. Why is he talking
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: about it? I go, you think that's easy to do?
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: Do you know how hard it is to be that person,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: to go on stage and talk about stuffing his nose
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: in a girl's asshole when you're eating her pussy from behind?
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: And also, it's just another subject, and it's a pungent subject,
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: because sex is a pungent, and it excites people, and
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: it scares people.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: What people don't like about dirty jokes, they're really hard
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: to follow with clean jokes.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: If you're a fucking pussy, and you're not paying attention.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: Because anybody who's killing, comics are so stupid that they think,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: I can't follow that. But when somebody's killing, if you
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: have your head on straight, you're going to have a
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: great time.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the audience is primed.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: They're excited.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: They're having a good time.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: And they don't think like, hmm, this guy. They're not
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 2: thinking in your stupid, insecure brain. Right. Like, huh, I
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: bet this guy's not as good. They're just thinking, hey,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: another guy.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: And if you're doing something very different, they're like, cool,
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: here's another way to.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: I learned that because I was the same. I was
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: scared of certain guys. I worked with a guy named John...
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: Something Ayers. John Ayers, maybe? He was a Connecticut comedian.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: There's certain comedians that were like Connecticut guys.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, weird guys.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And he was.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: He opened.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: It was the Nanuet Holiday Inn. This is the 90s
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: when comedy had just fallen out. Remember all the clubs...
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: Catch closed, the improv closed.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: And I was, had been in it too long to quit.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: And now I was doing like hundred dollar gigs out
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: of town. So I was at the Nanuet for a
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: whole week at like Wednesday through Sunday with Tom Ayers,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: Tom Ayers. Nice guy too. I liked him. And his
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: closing bit, he was opening for me and he would
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: just annihilate. And his closing bit was he had a
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: banjo and And he would do dueling banjos. So he
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: had a hat on that was like a helicopter with
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: hooks that he put a cow on, like a stuffed cow.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: And he'd go, and on the tape it would go,
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: and then he'd move the thing and put on a cat.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: And so each animal... And at the end, he's spinning.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: The thing is spinning on his head. And he's playing.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: And all the animals are, you know.
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: And people are going.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: You see them, like, so excited. And at the end,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: he'd play a big finish. And he'd raise his leg.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: And on the tape was a big fart. Made no sense.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: Big fart at the end. And the people would get up.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: Just stamp and applaud.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: And.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: I think Keith Robinson was emceeing for me. He's opening
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: for me at MSG now. I mean, on the 20th.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: Keith was like, you want me to do some time?
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, bring me right up. Because it was
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: the first time I watched a guy really just go
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: for it like that. And I thought, it's beautiful. I
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: loved it. And there's joy in it. And the audience
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: is so happy. So I started telling him, bring me
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: right up. Give no pause. People would barely hear him
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: introduce me. And I'd be out to people going, oh! Oh,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: I just like dying and I just look at them
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: and I had great sets after Tom Ayers. You rode
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: the wave. I did.
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what people have to realize, to just ride
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: the wave. Comics tend to think of things, a lot
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: of comics are narcissists and they think of themselves more
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: than they think of anything else. Yeah. And they also,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: they have a famine mentality. What's that? Famine mentality means
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: there's only enough for one person. Like there's not enough
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: for everybody.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: It's a weird way to think of the world.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: It's a terrible way to think of the world. It's
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: so wrong. And it's so self-serving. And it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: Like if you really do believe that there's only so
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: much out there, you'll act as if.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: And you'll give up. Yeah.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: And you'll start to alienate people around you because people
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: know that you're really just thinking about yourself. You get
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: real weird. And then people get weird around you. They
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable. When you're happy for people, genuinely happy
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: for people, better things happen. Everybody feels good.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: No, I always tell comics when you're watching a guy
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: before you and you're thinking, if you shit on a
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: comic to the person next to you, you're going to bomb.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: I've seen that happen a million times. Somebody's on stage
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 2: and the guy next to me is going, God, I
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: hate this. I hate when he says this. And they
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: go on and they have a shitty set.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: Because you're angry.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the last thing you should be thinking about.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: And also, some comedians, you know, a lot of us
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: are frustrated. We wish we were, like, rock stars. So,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: you know, we want to look cool up there. But
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: nobody wants you to look cool.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants you to look cool. They just want to laugh.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: But the looking cool thing is because you don't want
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: to feel like a piece of shit. And you do,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: so you decide, I want to look cool. So that
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: way I won't be a piece of shit.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: And then you go up there and you just, like,
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: ruin the vibe.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It's so complicated. There's so much going on
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: with comedy. There's so much going on with every phrase
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: and everything you say. It's really like mass hypnosis. That's
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: really what's going on.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some I've kind of gotten realized in
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: the last few years because I'm in deep now. I'm
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: 38 years into it. And there's like you get another.
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: It's like Scientology when they tell you about the aliens.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: You got to get really deep in.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: You start to go, oh, there's shit about stand-up I
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: didn't know. And one of them is that there's some
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: automatic laughs that you're getting. And you got to be
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: careful with that.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: Right. Just timing laughs.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: You're just getting some laughs because, you know, like tags.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: A lot of tags are just like all you're doing
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: is spending that dollar again. And they'll laugh for you.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: And also, they're nice people. Yeah. The comedy audience automatically laughs.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: Is a pretty nice person.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: They have fun.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: Well, and also they, they came to sit and in
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: this day and age of like staring into it, they,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: they put their phone down for the most part and
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: they sit with strangers like shoulder to shoulder and they
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: listen to a fucking person, you know, for sometimes two hours,
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: they're just listening. It's a very giving, you know, people
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: that can't, there's people that can't do that. Like sit
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: in a comedy audience. They're constantly, you know, like people
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: you see leaving their table constantly, um, Um, and some
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: people like I, they just not built for it, but
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: it takes a very patient and giving person. So they'll laugh. And,
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: and I think about this when I do shit, that's
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: really fucked up and I get some laughs, but I
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: look at them and I go, you didn't want to
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: laugh at that, but you did it for me. You
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: did it for me. And especially if they're your fans.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: But also like I have, uh, my, my ex-girlfriend was
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: my dear friend. She's a comedian in France. Her name
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: is Blanche Gardin. She's a hilarious comedian. She's a huge
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: star in France. She's like the biggest star there. And
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: I used to go see her do shows. I saw
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: her about 10 times in French. And I would sit
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: in the audience and watch her and I'd laugh really
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: hard and I don't know anything that she's saying. And
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not fake laughing. I'm just, it's hypnosis. I start
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: getting into it. She's got a rhythm and she's got,
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: she's really good at it. And so there's ways that
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: she's doing this stuff and then she's building it. And
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just find myself laughing with the people also because
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: they're laughing. But also I just, I was honestly laughing
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: really hard at something. I didn't know what they were saying.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: So I know that there's this armature under the jokes.
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: That's just a, it's a trick. It's a bit of
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: a trick.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: There's definitely that. but there's also if you are genuinely
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: having a good time and you're genuinely locked into these
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: ideas like you're not thinking about anything else you're thinking
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: about those ideas and that makes its way into other
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: people's minds.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah when you when you do when that's to me
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: the goal yeah every show to break out of the
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: rhythm And try to be saying the stuff and really
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: feeling it.
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be actually thinking about it in
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: the moment. And when you're not, they can tell.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, they can.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: In some weird way, they can tell.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: It's a weird thing about what an audience can. But
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: sometimes you think they can. You think there's stuff going
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: on on stage that's not going on.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because it's in your head.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: It's in your head and you're in a very weird place.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: On stage, it's like being a pilot in 20 Gs.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: It's like your brain's not working properly.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: You're being a pilot, but you're also a passenger too
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: because you're kind of like riding this thing.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: You want to steer it, but you're also kind of
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: riding it.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: You're in it with them. At the best, you're in
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: it with them. You're like, right? Yeah.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: It is a mass hypnosis. I really think it is.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's very difficult to trick people on stage.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: I think you can trick people for a little while,
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: but after a while, they kind of figure out who
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: you really are. Yeah.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like pitching. I think a comedy like pitching
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: a lot. They'll time your fastball after a while.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: They see it.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, when there's a new phenom that
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: gets put in a game and he strikes everybody out.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: But by the sixth inning, they've all been up twice. Right.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: They just start killing the ball. That's most comics. They
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: figure out how to pitch. But after a while, the
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: audience goes, I am. I don't know what you're doing.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: But if you can be like, what's his name, El
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: Duque in the Yankees, like many arm angles, not sure.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: Where it's coming from. Right, right, right.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: I think of some jokes as brushback pitches, some stuff
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: where they just go, what the fuck was that? Right, right, right.
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: And there's no– and some of those jokes, you don't
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: come back and fix them. You just let them be
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: upset and you go, yeah, I'll do that. Just watch it.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: I'll fucking do that. I'm not even– that wasn't even
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: to make you laugh.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: You now know what I'm going to do, so don't
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: dig in too easy.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: They're off balance. You can get them different ways.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We talked about you at one point in time
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 1: thought about opening up a comedy club.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're opening one here.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you thought about it?
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 7: When?
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: I thought about it when I saw the Babe Ruth
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: movie with John Goodman. Did you ever see that movie?
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: He played Babe Ruth. And I don't know how much
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: truth there is in it, but he wanted to manage it.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: a ball team. And, uh, he, John Goodman was such
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: a good actor. And he does this moment where he says,
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: I just want to, I love the guys. I want
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: to take care of the guys. I want to be
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: the guy who looks after them and, and, you know,
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: trains them and, you know, and makes sure they're okay.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: Cause he just loved ballplayers. And I thought of, I
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: watched him do that. And I thought, that's how I
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: feel about comedy. I'd like to have a club and
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: start like be the place where new guys come in
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: and yeah. And new people and watching them and encouraging
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: awkward comedians that aren't easy laughers, you know? Right. And
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: being a place and bringing in great veterans for them
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: to learn from and, you know what I mean, and
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: feeding and cultivating an audience. I watched a lot of
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: guys do that, like Manny and The Cellar and Lucian Holden,
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: the comic strip. Some of my best friends were comedy
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: club owners. Guys I respected so much were, you know,
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: Guys that ran clubs. So I thought that would be
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: really cool. But it's a very, I mean, opening a
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: fucking business is horrible.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do that now.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to either, but I'm stuck. I
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: already started doing it.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: Are you anxious about it?
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: Surprisingly, not that anxious.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 4: No.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have an unusual ability to handle a lot
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: of stress. Yeah. I just kind of like settle into
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: whatever that is. I know what you mean. And I go, okay.
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: This is what we're doing. I can not freak out.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: And so this is not that stressful because I got
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: really good people here. I brought Curtis Nelson and Adam
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: Egott and Eric from the Comedy Store. All these people
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: from the Comedy Store. Carrie to run the bar. I
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: brought the best people that were at the Comedy Store.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, good.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: Because it was during the pandemic. Nobody was working. Right.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: I said, hey, this is what I'm going to do.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: Do you guys want to work for me? And so
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: for the last year and a half, they've been actually
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: working for free. Like they've been getting paid, but they
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: haven't working. They're not working.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: They've just been waiting to work. You're just holding them.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: Right. But I kept giving them their full salary. Right.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: I just said, this is not your problem. You know,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: we had an initial venue that fell apart. So we
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: had to buy a second venue and the second venue
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: required considerable construction. So I said, listen, this is okay. Okay.
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: We're going to have fun. So let's just do this
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: the right way. And I want everybody to be comfortable. Right.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: And now we're less than a month away. That's amazing.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: It's pretty exciting. And it's really good. Like the inside
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: looks fucking incredible. And the scene here is already amazing.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, we went, I did the Vulcan last night.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: And then after I did a set there, I went
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: over to the Creek in the Cave. And then there's
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: other rooms in town too. And guys are hopping back
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: and forth from room to room and doing two, three
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: sets a night. It's really exciting. And there's really good
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: comics here. There's really good up-and-coming people. Tom Segura moved here.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: Duncan Trussell moved here. Tim Dillon lives here now. Christina Pazitsky.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of really good comics. Tony Hinchcliffe. So
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: we're doing these shows. Ron White is here. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: I saw him.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: He came to see me at the Creek in the
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: Cave last time.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, did he?
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: He's one of my favorites.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: He's the best. He's the godfather of this town. So
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: when we're doing these shows, we're doing shows like Shane
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: Gillis comes into town all the time and Ari's here
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: all the time. So we're having so much fun. It's
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: really an amazing scene right now. And it's exciting because
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: it's new. And all these young people that come here
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: and they do Kill Tony, you know, that show. And
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: so that gives them a chance to maybe get one
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: minute and do it in front of hundreds of thousands
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: of people on YouTube. So there's like this energy to
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: this town that's happening now with stand-up that's really exciting
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: because it's a completely new scene.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: That's great. Well, like you said, you can't practice it
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 2: at home. It's the only way to learn it.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: So I always feel a responsibility in that sense. If
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: you love stand-up, you got to encourage other people. I
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: bring people on the road with me who I think
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: need exposure to higher pressure and stuff.
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: And to help them learn and also to tap my head.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: And I spend the whole time talking to them and
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: answering stuff and stuff like that. And when I'm at
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: the cellar, I try to– I like mentoring. I like
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: being a bit of a teacher, you know. But you
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: have to because there's no school for it and there's no...
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: Which is wild. Yeah, there never will be. I don't
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: think anybody will ever properly... You can't really teach stand-up.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: It comes from the heart or the balls or the
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: pussy or wherever it comes from.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: How do you do it? Do you do it like
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: Steve Martin or do you do it like Stephen Wright
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: or do you do it like Patrice O'Neill? You can't
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: teach that. No. You can teach certain principles and you
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: can kind of coach people in whatever their individual style
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: is and sort of giving them some tips like maybe
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: if you did it this way... Or here's the problem
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: with that. Or you're taking too much time with this.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's obvious mistakes people make. And you can help
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: them by giving them that. Going like, you know, you
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: don't need to be doing that. That's a big, giant
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: waste of time. One thing I've told a few guys
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: and women that work for me is stop laughing. You're
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: just nervous. That's just shit. A little nervous laughter. It
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: just looks dumb. Just do the joke. That nervous laughter
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: is because you said something that's kind of tough to sell,
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: fucking stand there and sell it. Or just say, that's
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: the joke. Like, Adrienne Appaloochia opens for me a lot.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: She's hilarious.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: Very funny.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: And she's really hard to take for a lot of,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: for my crowd, who are there to be offended. What
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: I love doing, whenever Adrienne's on stage, I'm right behind her,
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: behind the curtain, and I'm standing there where I can
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: really hear, because she does these jokes and people go, oh!
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: Oh!
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 2: Like she does this thing about how racism and white
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: women are the worst and that we don't have enough
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: serial killers because they always kill white women. And it
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: boils down to when you think about it, Jeffrey Dahmer
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: did more for black people than Martin Luther King because
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: he killed white women. But he didn't.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 3: What?
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer didn't kill white women.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy?
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: Not Ted Bundy, yeah. I'm fucking up her bit. I'm
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: destroying her bit. Anyway, it's a hilarious bit, but any
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: audience goes like, Jesus! And I love hearing them because
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: she's really loosening them up. She's really fucking, you know,
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: doing deep knee bends, getting them warmed up. But she
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: used to kind of nervously laugh after certain jokes, which
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: showed a little insecurity on her part. Like, maybe I
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be saying this. And I told her, just do
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: the fucking joke and stand there. Like, that's it. That's
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: what I said.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: That's what I said. And some... the early jokes people
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: were having a hitch with it but after they see
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: that confidence in you and they go i guess she
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: doesn't give a fuck i guess she really means it
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: and they start to come around yeah you know um
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: that's my favorite thing is how to comics that don't
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: belong up there get good at it though that's where
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: great comedy comes from is somebody who's not a ham
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: and who's not Even into performing much or, you know,
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: but they just want to do this one thing. Those
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: are where some of the better comics come from, I think.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: And then they figure it out. And it's so exciting
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 1: to watch them figure it out. It's so exciting to
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: watch something. go from being like, he used to be
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 1: like guys who were like a doorman at the comedy store.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: And then you see him six, seven years later and
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen him for a while. And all of
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: a sudden they're killing. And they've got interesting points and
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: they've got great bits. Yeah.
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 2: It's great to watch.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: It's a fun art form, man. It's still my favorite
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: thing to watch after all these years.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: I still enjoy, and I didn't for a while in
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: the beginning. In the beginning, I didn't because of, like,
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: jealousy and insecurity. Like, I didn't, like, if someone else
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: was killing, I'd be like, God, I wish I thought
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: of that. God, I wish I was killing. Like, it
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: was like a weird thing where I was too wrapped
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: up in trying to get somewhere in comedy that I
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: didn't enjoy it anymore. Right. And then I realized, like, hey, stupid, like,
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: You got into comedy because you love watching it. Why
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: would you not still love watching it? Are you going
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: to give up loving watching it because you like to
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: do it? That's so stupid.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have written all over my notebook this year,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: don't forget to love it. I wrote it across the
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: bottom of the page of all the pages one day
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: on an airplane. Oh, yeah. So as I'm writing notes,
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: it's just there. Yeah. Because you do forget. It's work
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: and it's hard.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: And whatever you do for a living becomes a hassle.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 2: But you got to love it, you know?
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: Whatever you do in life becomes a hassle. One thing
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: I always tell people is, like, the one thing that
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: you think about the most when you're sick is, God,
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: I wish I was healthy.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: When you're healthy, it just seems normal.
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 2: It just is what it is.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: But when you get sick, you're like, oh, God, this sucks.
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to get healthy. But you, when you're
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: fucking healthy... You've got to like do whatever you can
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: to preserve that and recognize that there's a possibility that
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: you could get sick. Appreciate the shit out of being healthy.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: Well, and then with work, though, with comedy, I feel
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: like there's this other side of the other side of
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: the spectrum, which is that you should be willing to
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 2: be very uncomfortable and very unhappy. to do it right,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: because that's love. That's real love.
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 1: But you're doing it, is my point. If it took
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: it away from you, like COVID, when we couldn't do stand-up, well,
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: then that's you being sick.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I mean, it's like, not that
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: it should always be the most fun thing to do. No, no.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: Because exercise fucking blows.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: Like, being healthy.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: Like, sitting in a fucking sauna for 25 minutes at
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: 190 degrees and cold plunges and all the shit that
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 1: I do. It sucks.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: I don't like doing it, but I'm doing it because
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: being healthy is far superior to being sick.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: But you forget. You forget sometimes.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: Well, but also it can be a really, it can be...
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: A bummer to be healthy. It can be.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: How so?
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: Well, I've had streaks where I'm like, I'm doing it
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: all right. And I'm not doing things that I know
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: make me feel like shit. Like eating a bunch of
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: pizza that's just going to flood me with sugar and
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 2: slow me down and give me a headache and give
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: me a depression that I end up curing with a
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: cigarette and then I can't move even more and then
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: I eat more. And then it's a terrible thing. And
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: like two weeks later, I come out of like a dungeon.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: Like I got to stop. Like, I can't believe I
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: just wasted all that time.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: But when I'm like, I'm doing it all right. I'm
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: eating well. Fucking salmon with brown rice, a little bit
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: of vegetables, you know, or whatever. And drinking water with
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: lemon and staying away from, you know, drinks. No alcohol.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: Sleeping without any help. All those good things, you know.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: There's a dryness to that. Like, I just, after a while,
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: I just get cranky. I just feel like.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: I want to indulge and just get some sugar in you.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, moderation.
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: Feeling like shit has its good points.
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 1: Indulgence has its good points.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you feel like, you're like, what the fuck
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: did I do that for? When you hit the bottom,
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: there's a comfort in that.
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 1: It's a bed.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: The bottom is like a bed. Do you know what
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 2: I mean? I mean, not like alcoholics and drug addicts.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it's like for them, but in
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: my little self-abuse's uh.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 1: Every now and then getting off the rails.
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: You just got it.
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 1: No, I like it. I like doing that too, but
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 1: I stay healthy.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: But I, I do go off. I mean, I will
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 1: eat pizza and fucking spaghetti and ice cream. I'll go crazy.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 2: This is the best thing.
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: But then I just self-correct. I go, okay.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: You know, and I feel so bad when it's over.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: When I eat like a giant like a fucking big
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: Italian sub and a, like a fucking 32 ounce Coca-Cola.
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like hot dog shit.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: No, it's the worst. An hour and a half.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 2: And then ice cream, which is my favorite thing. I'm just,
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just shit. It's just shitsville. And I'm, it's burning
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: hot shits for like a week. I pay hard for
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: ice cream. So I don't do it often. But there
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 2: is I don't know. I don't think it'll ever not be.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: I still stay in shape and some discipline for a
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: stand up. And I've got this thing at the garden.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: Like to me, that's like the big fight of my life.
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 2: That's the championship fight. But when that's over and I
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: take a year off, I do part of me thinks
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: I might just Brando out. I might get really fucking big.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: Might do a reverse Bobby Kelly.
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I hope not.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm able to be more healthy when I'm not
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: performing because I go upstate more. Yeah. And I get,
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: I make my trail and I, you know, I do my,
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: that's better exercise than a gym anyway.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: I think it's important to be healthy, but I also
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: think it's important to enjoy yourself.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, there's something about food pleasure,
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: mouth pleasure from, you know, eating a big fucking bowl
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: of rigatoni. It's great. It tastes great. You just got
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: to know what's happening. I like drinking. I enjoy drinking.
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: I like fucking tipping a few back with my friends. Cheers, everyone. Cheers.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 1: I like doing a shot before I go on stage.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 1: I enjoy it. But I know what I'm doing. I
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 1: know when it comes in the morning, I'm going to
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: do everything I can to counteract that.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: I do everything I can with vitamins. I take IV
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: vitamins and drips, and I do all kinds of shit.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: But I keep it working right. But I also use
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: my body in a different way. Yeah. Like, you know,
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 1: because of jujitsu and martial arts. It's a vehicle for me.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: I'm using it.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 2: Well, we live weird lives, too, because most people can't.
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 2: When we say things like, it's important to be healthy,
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: but it's important to enjoy yourself. Most people even can't
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: have that conversation.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 2: Like, most of the population is just fucking grinding.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: Just trying to live.
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: They're just dragging their bodies across broken glass and trying to, like,
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 2: hand off just enough to their kids. And then fucking
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 2: collapse in a heap of cancer.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: That's most life. They're just trying to pay the bills.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: Just stay one step ahead of the grave digger.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: Or only two and a half steps behind. That's how
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: most people live. Like I was talking to my French
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 2: pal and I said, life is a zero-sum game. It's
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 2: something I believe is a zero-sum game. Effort you put
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: in and it comes back, but you end up at zero.
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: She said, for a lot of people, life is about
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: a negative 500% Some game.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: And it's true. Some people, everything they can possibly do,
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: they end up so fucked.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: Just fucked for good. And it's just life is fucked.
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: And because of that, you have this attitude that life
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 1: is fucked. So then that's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: Negative attitude.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: There's not much room for that kind of shit, though,
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: in most people's lives. But in America, compared to everybody else,
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: we're really doing great.
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: So we can have these long conversations about what's the
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: right way to think and what's the right way to
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: live and all these many, many boutique things of here's
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: how to feel better.
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 2: Because we're just kind of sitting around. We're just consumers.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: We're just consumers of the rest of the world.
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: I was watching this video where these guys were talking
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 1: about Lex Friedman and Andrew Huberman were talking about saunas
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: and cold plunges and stuff like that. And, like, the
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: benefits of it. They're two scientists.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: They're talking about the provable benefits, heat shock proteins, cold
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 1: shock proteins. And then I'm reading the comments where some
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: guy was like, yeah, well, you guys aren't talking about
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: how much it costs to buy a sauna. You're making
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: it seem like it's all free. And, like, what are
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: you supposed to do? Like, every fucking thing? Like, I'm
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 1: sorry if you're broke.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 2: You have the conversation for people that can live that way.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, not just.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 2: But it's just funny.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 1: But it's not... it's not impossible to achieve we're not
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 1: talking about buying a fucking Lamborghini.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there's something wrong with talking about
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: that stuff because other people can't afford it that's not
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: at all what I'm saying what I'm saying is that
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: it's actually part of why people are miserable is because
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 2: they're actually it's a ridiculous conversation it's a ridiculous it's
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: not like the way the earth and the experience of
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 2: like competing for food and oxygen and living on earth
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: you know and living in society and just being a
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: person We've got to some altitude here where we're having
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 2: some stupid conversations that are just, you know, should I
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 2: do a cold plunger of sauna? Like, what the fuck
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 2: is that? It's not that like it's not you should
• 2:27:07
  Speaker 2: be ashamed because people can't afford it. I feel sorry
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: for the guy in that conversation. It's like it's a
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: ridiculous trying to find just the right balance because there's
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: nothing really challenging you. Cause you're not, you don't have
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 2: any real problems and you're not, you're not on the earth.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: You're not standing on the earth anymore. You're in a,
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: in a bubble where you sort of like, maybe I'll
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: try this and maybe I'll just do protein now. And
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: I'll do, you know what I mean? It's, and you'll
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 2: never find a balance because life does, that's not a
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: normal life. That's not organic living. That's not living like
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: a human being, you know? don't have a choice because,
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, what are you going to do, be poor
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 2: on purpose? But you have a physical body. And if
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: you have a physical body, there's things that are beneficial
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: to your physical body.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: Sure. And if you choose to do those things, you'll
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: have a better body. It'll work better. And if you
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 1: choose not to do those things— Because you think they're ridiculous.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: Or do you think, oh, that's not organic living. That's
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 1: not life. This is not life. It is life. It's life.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: And people have invented shoes. The reason why they invented
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 1: shoes is because rocks will cut your feet. So they
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: figured out shoes. Shoes are better than no shoes. Getting
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 1: in a sauna and getting in a cold plunge is
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: better for the physical body than not doing it. It's
• 2:28:14
  Speaker 1: the same thing. Lifting weights is better than not lifting
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 1: weights because then you develop a strong body and don't
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 1: lose your bone density. 100% all true. Like, all these
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 1: things are a part of life. You can just decide
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 1: they're not organic.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: They're a part of life when you've removed yourself from
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 2: the food chain and from real life. They become part
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: of life.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're not getting eaten by tigers, yes.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but, like, we already figured that out. So, like,
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 1: as we move to becoming.
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: A multi-planetary species, there's a lot.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 1: Of things you're going to figure out.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: Well, and also, our predator now is each other. So,
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: it's now, that's, we're not anymore about other animals. We're
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: about Killing each other.
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: And when you are about other animals, that's when you
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 1: realize you've really fucked up. Like, we already sorted this out,
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 1: and here I am getting eaten by a tiger.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 2: You're a fucking idiot. Yes, you're a fucking idiot if
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 2: you're a human being being eaten by a tiger.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: If you're a guy from Connecticut, you're getting eaten by hyenas.
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 1: You've made a giant mistake.
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: That's right. But I don't know. I think part of
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 2: it is just being an old guy that I think, like,
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 2: you see certain signs that the game is over. Because
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: people are starting to talk about such abstract forms of life.
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: And I can see that none of it satisfies anybody.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: Abstract forms of life?
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: Abstract things like having your body at the right temperature
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: and talking about different substances going in and out. And waste,
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: you know, and turn it on oxygen.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 1: To try to enjoy it more. It's just to try
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 1: to enjoy it more.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is. But you won't ever get to what
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: is fulfilling about life, I don't think.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: That's not true.
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: Through that stuff.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: That's not true. When you do those things, your body
• 2:29:48
  Speaker 1: is more relaxed. It works better. Sure. And you feel better. Sure.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 1: It does with me. I understand.
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 1: When I do cold punches and I get out, you
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: know what raises your dopamine 200% and lasts for multiple hours?
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 2: You feel better. You really feel better. I don't even
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I just feel a thing about this.
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: I know what you're saying.
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 2: I feel a thing about it.
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 1: But there's also a thing that people do.
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: The last thing I'm doing is putting it down from like, Oh,
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: you're so lucky you can have... That's not what I mean. No, no, no.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 1: But you're kind of dismissing it as being.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 1: At the end of the day, it's all fucking bullshit anyway.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 2: Kind of. It's just that it's just... Which is true.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: I think that the most....
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 2: There's a form of life... It's a weird thing because
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be happy. And you're not supposed
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: to be safe. I think that that's the problem is
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 2: that people expect that. And it's not a good way to...
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 2: You're not happy when you're safe. You're not happy when
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: you're happy, when you're secure. I was listening to something
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: about the border. These people just trying to come into America.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 2: And some people are like, well, if we let just
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: a few in, it's a mess. There's no good answer.
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: What if we just let the ones in who are
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 2: really upset? But we can't let them all in. When
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 2: liberals try to say, it's like the dumbest position they
• 2:31:08
  Speaker 2: get into. It's like, well, we can't let them in here.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: Got to keep them out.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 4: But.
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 2: we really like them and it's great that they're brown
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: and sorry, but you know, there's like an impossible. And
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: then the, and then the right takes over and they
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: sound racist. And then the left takes over. They just
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: sound stupid. But my feeling is they should open it.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: The border is let them pour it, let everybody pour in. And,
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 2: and then the answer, which is, well, then there'll be
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: all these problems. Yes, there should be. It shouldn't be
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 2: so great here is what I'm saying in America. It
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be. It's a weird thing to sequester a certain
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: group of people. And try to keep upping their lifespan
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: and their lifestyle. And just keep trying to increase that
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: for this group of people. And then everyone's, and then
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: this pressure of people trying to come in so they
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: can enjoy it. And then it gets worse and worse
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: down here. I mean, I'm not in Canada. It's really
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 2: just from down here. There's something wrong with that. That's
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: not a system that's working. And it forces people to
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: do cruel things to other people. There's a lot of
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 2: people that die so Americans can be safe. They're just dying,
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: you know, weddings that are drone bombed in Yemen because
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 2: a guy said something that might have resulted in American insecurity.
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: Not even like definite American deaths, but like just so
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: we can breathe a little easier. Folks die. And folks
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: do labor in unsafe places so that we can keep
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: the prices where we like them. There's so much about
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: American life that other people pay for. That's part of it.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: But also it's not good for us either. It's not
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: a good way to live in a gated community. You know, if,
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 2: if you let folks pour in like any other wave,
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: it'll kind of slosh. And then y'all just, things will
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 2: be different.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 2: Like there, what'll really happen? A bunch of people like, well,
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 2: they just come with knives and start killing everybody. I don't,
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 2: think so. I don't know what'll happen, but it's just
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 2: weird to me. I mean, I lived in Mexico when
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 2: I was a kid. My dad's Mexican. And I remember
• 2:33:08
  Speaker 2: my first cogent thoughts were in Mexico, and then I
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 2: came to America.
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 1: But you lived in Mexico pre-cartels. It's a different world now.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was Mexico in the 70s. It was
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: a pretty gnarly, smelly place.
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure.
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was Mexico City. It was beautiful. It
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 2: was a city before America had anything. It's this very
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: old European kind of place, you know, Mexico. It's a
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: beautiful country, and And it's got a lot more depth
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 2: to it than anybody knows here. And we're not really
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: sharing with them because they're kind of like the other
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 2: guys because we're afraid of how many of them are
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 2: dying to come here to work for us for very little.
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: Like this thing.
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 2: This is shit I don't know about. But the feeling
• 2:33:48
  Speaker 2: I get. Is that the more this American security, this
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 2: feeling of like, you know, there's more oxygen in the air.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 2: It's not good in the end for everybody somehow.
• 2:34:02
  Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly not balanced, right? No, it's not balanced.
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 1: If you look at the top 1% of the world,
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: it's $ 34, 000 a year. Yeah. You make $ 34, 000 a year,
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 1: you're in the top 1% of the world. You're basically
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 1: living in like lower income countries. America is the top
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 1: 1% of the world, which is crazy. It is. And so, like,
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: why is that? Well, corrupt governments, lack of freedom, lack
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 1: of democracy, but also exploitation from American businesses where they
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: go over there and they start sweatshops. And, you know,
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, one of the greatest ironies is people complaining
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: about social justice issues on an iPhone, which is made
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 1: by slaves.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 1: It's a horrible. Yeah.
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: It's a horrible thing.
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 1: I had Siddharth Kara on the podcast. He's a journalist
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 1: that traveled to the Congo to watch them mine cobalt
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 1: and snuck into these cobalt mines. And he wrote this.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 1: Is it called Cobalt Red? Is that what it's called?
• 2:34:57
  Speaker 2: It's out.
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 1: It's out at the end of this month.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, what they do to get the.
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 1: It's fucking horrific.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, horrific. It's all slaves. It's slaves. It's women
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: who are 19 years old with Cobalt Red, how the
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: blood of the Congo powers our lives.
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 2: And that's some of what goes into like electric cars
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 2: and stuff too, right?
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, cobalt. Yeah. It goes with lithium ion batteries. It
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: stabilizes them. So, you know, there's all sorts of shit
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 1: that has to– that's a cobalt mine.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 2: The thing is that we look at these wide shots
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 2: of just like clogs of people. That's how most human
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 2: beings live and.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 1: Well, this is particularly egregious.
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 2: And this is, what are they, they're making iPhones in there.
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 1: First of all, look at that dude right there, the
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 1: one with the tan shirt. Yeah. That dude's jacked. If
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 1: I was that guy, I'd be like, hey, buddy, do
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 1: you know how to wrestle? Yeah. Like, come here. You
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 1: want to make some money? Yeah. Like, look at the
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 1: size of that motherfucker. That guy's got superior genetics.
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 2: This is some guy. This is some guy. He could
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 2: live in Cincinnati.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 2: He could work at the Avis at the airport in St.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: Louis.
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 1: Or he could be a UFC champion.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But he's in this huge pile of people so
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: that we can have the new phone.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 2: It is. It's a crazy amount of. It's so lopsided.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 1: So lopsided.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: And then our lives become more and more pointless until
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: people are like, should we just give Americans money? You know,
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 2: like Andrew Yang's idea. Let's just give them money and
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 2: they don't have to do anything.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 2: Like, what are we doing?
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 1: What the fuck?
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: The point of life used to be, don't die. That
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 2: used to be the point of life. Don't die. Pass
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 2: on your sperm or whatever. But, and then somewhere in
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 2: the margins, you'd be like, This feels good. You know,
• 2:36:46
  Speaker 2: like at a, next to a fire and you just
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 2: almost died, but you, you, you cooked the thing that
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: tried to kill you and you're eating it and you go,
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 2: all right, I feel good. This feels nice. And you
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 2: get to enjoy the stars in the sky, you know,
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: there was something to that. But this point of like,
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 2: just give everybody money every week so that they can buy,
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 2: but who's doing anything like who's, and just let them
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 2: make the shit. They're invisible. Uh, And then let's all
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 2: just be. And then we start having conversations about what's
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 2: the right way to say things and what's the right
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 2: stuff to put in your body and what's the right
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: position to sleep in. Because it's a joke. It's just
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 2: funny to me, I guess, is the thing. Like, I
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 2: remember I was at a wedding and there was a
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 2: guy there who was Tibetan.
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: With his wife. And my wife and I were talking
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: about our dog. And we're saying that she was getting surgery.
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 2: She's had a hard month. And he goes, I'm sorry,
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 2: who was getting surgery? And we said our dog. And
• 2:37:43
  Speaker 2: he just laughed really hard.
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 1: He's like, what?
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 2: Our dog was in surgery. And he's like, I'm really sorry.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: And he was like, I'm sorry. I don't understand. He thought, like,
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 2: our mom was having surgery or something. It's like, you
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 2: give your dog surgery? You put a dog in an
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: operating room and operate them? This guy who's, like, from
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 2: some place in Tibet was like, that's insane. You know?
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: It's like my chicken has a psychiatrist on some level. It's, like, ridiculous.
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: We're from.
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 2: And I looked in that guy's eyes and I'm like,
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 2: I want to be him. And it's not that I'm
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 2: ashamed of me being because of him, but I just
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 2: think we've gotten really far away. And that's me and
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 2: how I feel. I mean, when I meet kids my
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 2: kid's age and I talk to my kids, I'm like,
• 2:38:34
  Speaker 2: they're ahead of me in some ways and they got
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 2: something new that I'm not sure of. And my nephews,
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 2: I have something more nephews. Well, they got their eyes
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: are forward, you know. And A lot of this shit.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: Well, like a lot of the shit, you know, that
• 2:38:50
  Speaker 2: we worry about, you know, these kids are growing up
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 2: with the internet and TikTok and they kind of, they've,
• 2:38:56
  Speaker 2: they're smarter about that stuff. It's not, it was a
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 2: big jolt for us, the internet, but they're.
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 1: Well, they're growing up with it. They don't know a
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 1: life without it.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: I know they're going to.
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 1: They're adapting.
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 2: There's an energy to my, my kids and their friends
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 2: that I really admire. And I think they're, That gives
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 2: me hope, you know? I always have hope for human beings.
• 2:39:16
  Speaker 2: I think human beings figure things out.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 1: Human beings figure things out. They do.
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 2: I think they're... And they also mean well on the
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 2: whole to each other. They hurt each other a lot,
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: but I think that people don't want to.
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 2: And there's always extraordinary... You know, the kind of things
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 2: that go down in history of extraordinary moments by Kennedy
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: or Obama or somebody. But I see them all the time.
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: If you ride the subway, you see people take a...
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 2: bit of abuse and go like, okay, okay, you go ahead.
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 2: Like those moments you go, well, you're, you just saved
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 2: the world, buddy. You just in your own circle. I mean, that's,
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 2: I guess. And I think one thing a lot of
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 2: people are doing is looking at the big picture too
• 2:39:56
  Speaker 2: much and thinking they can, they listen to podcasts and
• 2:40:00
  Speaker 2: they have a whole world opinion. But your only responsibility
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: is the space you take up and the people you encounter.
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 2: That's all you should be thinking about.
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And when you're thinking globally, it's a giant distraction. Yes.
• 2:40:12
  Speaker 1: And really, you don't have any real ability to affect
• 2:40:16
  Speaker 1: things that much. No.
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 2: The things you can do is be kind to people
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: you know and that you encounter people every day. Try
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 2: to live a life of interaction instead of distraction.
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 2: And be out and look at folks and treat them.
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 2: That's like huge. There's a lot of people like, there's
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: a great movie called demand for all seasons. It's about
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: Thomas Moore. I think, uh, this guy who was the, um,
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 2: the Kings, he was the chancellor of England during Henry
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 2: the eighth. Uh, I'm not going to talk about the
• 2:40:51
  Speaker 2: whole movie, but it's remarkable. I love the movie. And
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: there's a scene where there's like, he was a very
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 2: powerful man. So there's one guy keeps trying to get
• 2:40:57
  Speaker 2: him to get him a position in government. And he
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 2: says to the guy, I don't think you'd be good
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 2: at it, but I'll get you a job as a teacher.
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 2: And he goes, why would I want to be a teacher?
• 2:41:08
  Speaker 2: And he says, I think you would be a great teacher.
• 2:41:11
  Speaker 2: And the guy said, but who would know it? And
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 2: he said, well, God, your students, your friends, and yourself.
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty good crowd, you know?
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 2: Like that would, I think of life more that way now.
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 1: Like... It's cool.
• 2:41:27
  Speaker 2: This, I could be a big, or then the negative
• 2:41:29
  Speaker 2: side of it, how are we going to.
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 1: Wall this fucked up?
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 2: Who's going to solve all this?
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 1: And right.
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 2: But if you can just be a good person and
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 2: do your best, anyway, you do your best. It's all
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 2: anybody can do. You also got to acknowledge that you've
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 2: got problems in your head and you're, you're, everyone's selfish
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 2: in ways that ends up not being good for other people.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 2: Everybody has that. So you try to balance, try to
• 2:41:50
  Speaker 2: balance and be okay with the people in your, in
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 2: your work, you know, And your family try to be
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 2: a real parent to your kids. And, you know, I
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 2: think that's the only thing you can really do.
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 1: It is bizarre, this very, very common aspiration to want
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 1: to be recognized by an enormous number of people that
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 1: you don't even know.
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a weird thing. I don't have that. I mean,
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 2: I've been recognized by a huge amount of people.
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 1: You don't have that.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 2: I don't care about it.
• 2:42:19
  Speaker 1: But you're a famous comedian. Yeah. Maybe if you weren't,
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 1: you would have that. Maybe I would. Because you know
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 1: what it is and you've experienced it and it's been
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 1: a giant part of your life is walking out there
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 1: and everybody goes crazy and cheers and like, thank you.
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 2: When I come out and they're all cheering, I want
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 2: it to stop so quickly. I often tell them to stop,
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 2: but I really don't like that part.
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 1: It's strange.
• 2:42:42
  Speaker 2: I don't like it. It's not normal. I like normal interaction,
• 2:42:46
  Speaker 2: so I don't like that.
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 1: I think what's normal is it's setting a tone like
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 1: they're happier here and I'm like, I'm happier happy. Thank you.
• 2:42:53
  Speaker 1: That's right. I'm happy you're happy and I'm happy too.
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 1: And I've got a bunch of shit for you. That's it.
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 1: I've really been working on this.
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's what, but the people that really soak it in,
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 1: they love it.
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They need it. They need it.
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've seen people like stand on stage and they
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 1: just look at the crowd. They take it in and
• 2:43:10
  Speaker 1: they just walk around. Yeah. Oh man.
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 2: I saw Paul Simon, um, at Forest Hills in New York,
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 2: which is a good, and I had done it like
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 2: a week before and I went there to see him
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 2: and he's, uh, I know him, uh, a friend of mine. And, uh,
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 2: So he was on stage and it was like one
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 2: of his last tours. And Forest Hills is like a
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 2: block from where he grew up. So it just, they
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 2: loved him so much. And about halfway through, I saw
• 2:43:33
  Speaker 2: this moment where the crowd was going nuts and he
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 2: just put his arms out and he just went like
• 2:43:38
  Speaker 2: this and he basked in it.
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 2: And I brought it up to him later and he said, oh,
• 2:43:42
  Speaker 2: you saw it. I'm so ashamed of that.
• 2:43:45
  Speaker 1: I'm so ashamed of that.
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 2: He said, the second I did it, I was like,
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 2: stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it. Yeah,
• 2:43:52
  Speaker 2: he's like, that's not cool. That's hilarious.
• 2:43:54
  Speaker 1: He just tried it out.
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 2: You're not here to be like, hey.
• 2:43:57
  Speaker 1: You're here to go like.
• 2:43:59
  Speaker 2: Here's the show. Here's the show.
• 2:44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a rock star. Isn't that funny? That's
• 2:44:03
  Speaker 1: the thing that people love. The thing that people love
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 1: is the thing you really should not want to be.
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 1: It's like this complete alien.
• 2:44:09
  Speaker 2: It's no good for a human being.
• 2:44:11
  Speaker 1: It stands in front of people.
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 5: No.
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing. The thing I'm excited about, and
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 2: I have to bring it back to my stupid plug,
• 2:44:16
  Speaker 2: but the garden show. I used to do it.
• 2:44:20
  Speaker 1: It was normal.
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 2: To do the garden for me before, which is not
• 2:44:23
  Speaker 2: a good thing.
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:44:25
  Speaker 2: Like I remember Chris Rock saying to me once after
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 2: a show at the garden, he's like, you, you like,
• 2:44:28
  Speaker 2: this is like a club for you where you try
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 2: shit out now. Cause I did it like five times
• 2:44:33
  Speaker 2: in a week. I just take the subway, take the
• 2:44:34
  Speaker 2: C train up, do the garden and leave. Like I
• 2:44:37
  Speaker 2: don't party after I just do the show.
• 2:44:38
  Speaker 4: Right, right, right.
• 2:44:39
  Speaker 2: But it's still, that went away and I hadn't been
• 2:44:41
  Speaker 2: there for a while. But now to me, this one
• 2:44:43
  Speaker 2: show there is like, it's a very exciting thought.
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 2: To just do one. And the set I've prepared for
• 2:44:50
  Speaker 2: it is not a rock star set. It's pretty gritty.
• 2:44:52
  Speaker 2: It's pretty, I mean, it all kills.
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 1: It's similar to what I saw at the Creek.
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've been working on it since, so there's a
• 2:44:58
  Speaker 2: lot of new stuff.
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 2: But it's the idea of being surrounded by these 18,000
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 2: people in this elite arena and saying some of this stuff,
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 2: but also knowing that I've crafted it. So it's not
• 2:45:11
  Speaker 2: just reckless.
• 2:45:12
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Right, right, right.
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 2: I'm really excited. 38 years in comedy, I don't get
• 2:45:18
  Speaker 2: that excited. But I'm really excited about it.
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for it, too. I love that you've made
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 1: this return. And then, you know, you experienced a bunch
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 1: of resistance. But now it's kind of gone.
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just keep doing it.
• 2:45:31
  Speaker 1: Just keep doing it. And now you're doing shit that's
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 1: really being recognized. Like, you won a fucking Emmy.
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a Grammy. I've got to want a Grammy since
• 2:45:40
  Speaker 2: I came back. Yeah, yeah, that was nice.
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 2: It's nice.
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 1: And I think you won a Grammy for the special.
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 1: It was very funny, but I think the next one
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 1: was better. I think Sorry was even better.
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you, man.
• 2:45:49
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 2:45:50
  Speaker 2: Sorry was amazing. That got nominated for a Grammy, so
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 2: we'll see what happens.
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 1: I hope it wins.
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see.
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 1: I'd love it if you won two years in a row.
• 2:45:55
  Speaker 1: I want to see people get crazy. Like, fuck it.
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 2: Bullshit.
• 2:45:58
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 2:45:59
  Speaker 2: God damn it.
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 1: I loved it. I got so angry when people were
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 1: calling out that leaked set when people were mad. Because
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 1: to me, it was like, that's what he's always done.
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 1: This is great stuff. But not only that, you hadn't
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 1: done stand-up in 10 months. I'm like, this is the
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 1: seeds of a fantastic hour. And you're only seeing literally
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 1: the first couple of times he's even said these things
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 1: aloud in public.
• 2:46:25
  Speaker 2: I literally was having a conversation with another comedian and
• 2:46:28
  Speaker 2: came up with the bits and went on stage and
• 2:46:30
  Speaker 2: did them. So it was the first time I'd done them.
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 2: And I, I just got so excited to be back
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 2: on stage because I had taken a long time off
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 2: and it was, and there was resistance coming back, but
• 2:46:39
  Speaker 2: I was, it was, I was in a club with
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 2: my crowd for the first time. And so I was, uh,
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 2: it was, the only thing I regret is it was
• 2:46:46
  Speaker 2: reckless because my life was very precarious. Things were tough
• 2:46:49
  Speaker 2: and things were tough for my kids. So that created
• 2:46:52
  Speaker 2: a bigger, bigger, Huge stink bomb than anything else that
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 2: even happens that did. Yeah, the set was really really hard.
• 2:46:59
  Speaker 2: So I Given how things were I probably could have
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 2: made jokes about a couple other things. I don't believe
• 2:47:06
  Speaker 2: I did anything wrong You did what you always I
• 2:47:09
  Speaker 2: do I've always done this the way it works is
• 2:47:11
  Speaker 2: I say stuff that is the wrong thing to say
• 2:47:14
  Speaker 2: I hear the resistance to it and then I and
• 2:47:18
  Speaker 2: then I work with it and work with it and
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 2: it takes a a few shows for it to be
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 2: a safe bit to do but there's a few audiences
• 2:47:24
  Speaker 2: that that you know and that audience actually didn't didn't
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 2: mind it but it's not for regular consumption it's like
• 2:47:33
  Speaker 2: watching somebody practice piano yeah and going like he sucks
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 2: or or it's not it wasn't supposed to the I
• 2:47:40
  Speaker 2: think it's really bad that we don't have these barriers
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 2: anymore where there's speech that's for these few people. We're
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 2: going to have a fun conversation where we're going to
• 2:47:49
  Speaker 2: get a little crazy. It's not for the whole world
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 2: to see.
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 1: Well, what was infuriating to me was people that know that.
• 2:47:55
  Speaker 1: They know what you're saying. Yeah. And they went after you.
• 2:47:58
  Speaker 1: I was like, you motherfucker.
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 1: There's people that I won't talk to to this day
• 2:48:03
  Speaker 1: because of that. Wow. I was like, I'm not talking
• 2:48:05
  Speaker 1: to you. Unless you want to make some big public
• 2:48:09
  Speaker 1: apology or you want to apologize to me and tell
• 2:48:12
  Speaker 1: me why you did it and what real feelings of
• 2:48:15
  Speaker 1: insecurity and jealousy, but Tim Dillon put a great post
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 1: on his page about what's really going on. He put
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 1: a great post on his Instagram, and that's when I
• 2:48:23
  Speaker 1: became friends with Tim Dillon. He wrote, you're getting a
• 2:48:26
  Speaker 1: bunch of people that are mediocre comedians and that are
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 1: attacking him not really because of what he's saying but
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 1: because he's great and because they hate the fact That
• 2:48:35
  Speaker 1: he was getting any attention at all and that should
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 1: be theirs. And now they find some chance to move
• 2:48:41
  Speaker 1: up in the social structure. That's what it felt like
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 2:48:44
  Speaker 2: To me, all of that is totally true. And it
• 2:48:47
  Speaker 2: makes me understand it. In other words, it makes me
• 2:48:50
  Speaker 2: feel sympathy. It makes me go like, all right, if
• 2:48:53
  Speaker 2: that's what you need to do, that's what you got
• 2:48:55
  Speaker 2: to do. I get that. I would prefer to hang
• 2:48:58
  Speaker 2: out with somebody who doesn't need to do that. But
• 2:49:01
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 2:49:02
  Speaker 1: I can't be around them because you can do that again.
• 2:49:06
  Speaker 1: You can do that again. It's like having a snake
• 2:49:08
  Speaker 1: in the room. You can have a snake in the
• 2:49:10
  Speaker 1: room as long as you keep the lights on.
• 2:49:11
  Speaker 2: Aside from my shit, the thing that was a drag
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 2: to me about comedy in the last few years was
• 2:49:16
  Speaker 2: people who, any comedian who's out in the world... saying
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 2: that comedian shouldn't be saying these things.
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:49:24
  Speaker 2: That's a traitor to comedy. Well, they always suck. They're
• 2:49:28
  Speaker 2: not a real comedian.
• 2:49:28
  Speaker 1: None of them are good.
• 2:49:29
  Speaker 2: They've learned some tricks so they can seem good and
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 2: they might have a big audience. But they don't love this.
• 2:49:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:49:36
  Speaker 2: And that's a fucked up thing to do.
• 2:49:38
  Speaker 1: It's a fucked up thing to do. And it's always
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 1: coming from a place of jealousy. Yes.
• 2:49:41
  Speaker 2: And also, it's always happening to somebody who's already deeply besieged.
• 2:49:46
  Speaker 2: Somebody who's already the whole world.
• 2:49:47
  Speaker 7: Of course.
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 2: When you see the whole world coming down on somebody
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 2: for something they said, and then you go, man, I'm
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 2: going to say the same thing. That's about you. That
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with how you really feel about
• 2:49:58
  Speaker 2: what they said. It has nothing to do... It's just
• 2:50:01
  Speaker 2: that you want to be heard in your circle saying
• 2:50:03
  Speaker 2: it also because you see that you can get a
• 2:50:05
  Speaker 2: little something from it.
• 2:50:07
  Speaker 1: Well, you're just taking cheap shots. That's another way to
• 2:50:09
  Speaker 1: say that. You're just kicking someone when they're down.
• 2:50:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a shame.
• 2:50:12
  Speaker 1: And not only that, it's someone who should have a
• 2:50:15
  Speaker 1: deep understanding of what that person is actually doing.
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's too much to ask, I think, from people.
• 2:50:21
  Speaker 2: I think it is. People's life is hard.
• 2:50:23
  Speaker 1: It's too much to ask of those people. Those people
• 2:50:25
  Speaker 1: should not be doing stand-up. And all the people that
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 1: did that were all fucking terrible. All of them were
• 2:50:31
  Speaker 1: mediocre at best.
• 2:50:32
  Speaker 5: All of them.
• 2:50:32
  Speaker 1: Every single fucking one of them. Chris Rock's not going
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 1: to fucking talk shit about people when they're down. He's
• 2:50:39
  Speaker 1: not going to be the guy who gets on Twitter
• 2:50:41
  Speaker 1: and goes, that subject matter was fucked up. You're not
• 2:50:44
  Speaker 1: going to get that out of Dave Chappelle.
• 2:50:45
  Speaker 2: Well, it just became profitable to do it. And it's
• 2:50:47
  Speaker 2: going to stop being profitable.
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 1: It already is.
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 2: It's already not a cool, it's not a good look anymore.
• 2:50:52
  Speaker 1: But it's not profitable by those comedians. Those comedians get ostracized.
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 2: Now they do, yeah.
• 2:50:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. I go out of my way. I won't
• 2:51:00
  Speaker 1: talk to them. I won't look at them. Like, you
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 1: don't do this anymore.
• 2:51:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 1: I can't talk to you because now I can trust
• 2:51:07
  Speaker 1: you because you know what this is. You know this
• 2:51:10
  Speaker 1: bizarre process of bringing an idea on stage like a
• 2:51:14
  Speaker 1: little puppy and teaching it not to shit on the floor.
• 2:51:17
  Speaker 1: You're doing this thing with me and you're pretending that
• 2:51:21
  Speaker 1: that's not what it is.
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 2: It's an easy thing to do because the audience will
• 2:51:24
  Speaker 2: never know that. And they shouldn't. Audiences just come and
• 2:51:29
  Speaker 2: they see what you do. They don't know what goes
• 2:51:30
  Speaker 2: into it. It's not their thing. and none of their business.
• 2:51:34
  Speaker 1: Well, some of them do get into it. I mean,
• 2:51:35
  Speaker 1: that's one of the things that was interesting about the
• 2:51:37
  Speaker 1: store was like, you would get comedy nerds that would
• 2:51:40
  Speaker 1: come and they'd go, I love how that bit's changed.
• 2:51:43
  Speaker 1: Cause I saw it. And then I saw it again.
• 2:51:44
  Speaker 1: I saw it again. And now it's got to this point.
• 2:51:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. And that was a great compliment. I
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 1: was always like, Oh, thank you. Thanks. Appreciate it. Yeah.
• 2:51:51
  Speaker 2: There was a time there used to be this back
• 2:51:53
  Speaker 2: in 2005 or so, uh, there is a, what is it?
• 2:51:58
  Speaker 2: A tenacious D, you know, Jack Black.
• 2:52:00
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 2:52:01
  Speaker 2: They had a website with a message board back before
• 2:52:03
  Speaker 2: social media. There were message boards where people would make comments.
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 2: It was just comments without a thing. And they had
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 2: a message board with different categories. And one of them
• 2:52:15
  Speaker 2: was other comedians. And that became huger than the website.
• 2:52:20
  Speaker 2: It was called a special thing dot com.
• 2:52:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 2: Remember this?
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
• 2:52:24
  Speaker 2: And it was about stand up and mostly in the L.A.
• 2:52:28
  Speaker 4: Area.
• 2:52:29
  Speaker 2: And so like there was one guy, his name was
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 2: Sasquatch and he would go to every show at Largo
• 2:52:34
  Speaker 2: at these kind of alternative shows and he would do
• 2:52:36
  Speaker 2: a rundown. He'd tell you who was on, he'd give
• 2:52:39
  Speaker 2: you an idea what the bits were and he'd analyze
• 2:52:41
  Speaker 2: and he, every comedian loved reading it because if you,
• 2:52:45
  Speaker 2: like being mentioned in it was kind of cool. He
• 2:52:48
  Speaker 2: was a really smart, his name was Matthew something, I forget,
• 2:52:50
  Speaker 2: but he was interesting and he would talk about bits
• 2:52:55
  Speaker 2: and he'd seen bits before and how they had changed
• 2:52:57
  Speaker 2: and stuff. Comedy fandom when it's like, you know, it's
• 2:53:01
  Speaker 2: really fun. It's really great.
• 2:53:02
  Speaker 1: It is fun.
• 2:53:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a lot now that's just like, I'm on
• 2:53:06
  Speaker 2: this guy's side against this guy. There's a lot of
• 2:53:09
  Speaker 2: tribalism in comedy.
• 2:53:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But again, you're always going to have people that
• 2:53:16
  Speaker 1: are like that. Of course. You're going to have all
• 2:53:17
  Speaker 1: sorts of different ways of looking at things and things
• 2:53:20
  Speaker 1: that people disagree with and agree with and things that
• 2:53:22
  Speaker 1: people like and don't like. Yeah. But it's just, I
• 2:53:26
  Speaker 1: fucking love it. After all these years. Yeah, so do I.
• 2:53:29
  Speaker 1: I've been doing it 35 years, I think.
• 2:53:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:53:32
  Speaker 1: It's the best. It's really the most fun thing to do.
• 2:53:35
  Speaker 2: I love it more than anything I've ever done.
• 2:53:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:53:37
  Speaker 2: And I'll always love it. And I do think after
• 2:53:42
  Speaker 2: this show at the Garden, I'm going to, on January 28th,
• 2:53:45
  Speaker 2: live stream on my website.
• 2:53:46
  Speaker 1: Live stream, lucyk.com.
• 2:53:47
  Speaker 2: Lucyk.com. There it is.
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 1: There it is. Live stream event from Madison Square Garden.
• 2:53:53
  Speaker 1: That's fucking awesome.
• 2:53:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:53:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if any comedian's done that. Not on
• 2:53:57
  Speaker 2: a website. I mean, maybe like HBO and stuff.
• 2:53:58
  Speaker 1: How difficult is it in terms of like the infrastructure?
• 2:54:01
  Speaker 1: Like to set it up to live stream from your website.
• 2:54:04
  Speaker 1: Like how many people can it handle simultaneously?
• 2:54:07
  Speaker 2: As many as will come.
• 2:54:08
  Speaker 7: Really?
• 2:54:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's just, uh, it, it's, you know, Tom
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 2: Segura does these live shows.
• 2:54:14
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:54:14
  Speaker 1: Your mom's house.
• 2:54:14
  Speaker 2: The company Maestro or whatever it is. Yeah. We're just
• 2:54:17
  Speaker 2: doing the same thing.
• 2:54:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, great.
• 2:54:18
  Speaker 2: That's all it is. And it's parked on the site.
• 2:54:20
  Speaker 1: Have you been a part of one of those? You
• 2:54:21
  Speaker 1: need to be a part of one of those.
• 2:54:21
  Speaker 2: I have not done that.
• 2:54:22
  Speaker 6: No.
• 2:54:22
  Speaker 1: They're fucking horrific. Yeah.
• 2:54:25
  Speaker 2: No, I've heard it's crazy.
• 2:54:26
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 2:54:26
  Speaker 2: But he's really so fucking smart.
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 1: He's the best.
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 2: He's very funny and a great guy.
• 2:54:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:54:30
  Speaker 2: But I asked him about doing this and he helped me, uh, uh,
• 2:54:34
  Speaker 2: get the courage to do it. And, uh, The show
• 2:54:36
  Speaker 2: starts at 7.30 and they'll be opening acts like Keith
• 2:54:39
  Speaker 2: Robinson and somebody else I don't know yet. But also
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 2: I have Ravi Coltrane, who is John Coltrane's son, which
• 2:54:46
  Speaker 2: is incidental. But he's a great saxophone player and he
• 2:54:50
  Speaker 2: has a trio that he's bringing to open the show.
• 2:54:54
  Speaker 2: So it's a show. It'll be about 45 minutes of
• 2:54:57
  Speaker 2: pre-show with him and some comedians. I'll probably be on
• 2:55:01
  Speaker 2: stage around 8.15. It'll be like a 20-second delay, but
• 2:55:03
  Speaker 2: otherwise it's fully live.
• 2:55:05
  Speaker 1: What time are you up tonight and tomorrow?
• 2:55:07
  Speaker 2: I think the show's at 7.30. I got to go soon.
• 2:55:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:55:11
  Speaker 2: And then I guess I'm on it. I guess the
• 2:55:14
  Speaker 2: show's 7.30. Usually I end up on stage by 8.15
• 2:55:17
  Speaker 2: after there's always a delay and then opening comedians.
• 2:55:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm going out to eat with my wife tomorrow,
• 2:55:23
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to try to catch you tonight. Yeah,
• 2:55:24
  Speaker 1: you should. I'm going to head out.
• 2:55:25
  Speaker 2: You should.
• 2:55:25
  Speaker 1: Okay. Let's wrap this bitch up. Yeah.
• 2:55:27
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:55:27
  Speaker 1: LouisCK.com. The date is?
• 2:55:30
  Speaker 2: January 28th.
• 2:55:31
  Speaker 1: January 28th.
• 2:55:31
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:55:32
  Speaker 1: Live stream event. Go see it. The material. I mean,
• 2:55:35
  Speaker 1: the material that I saw months ago was fucking amazing.
• 2:55:37
  Speaker 2: Thanks. And you can watch it until February 17th. Then
• 2:55:42
  Speaker 2: it disappears. You can't download it. It's like a fight
• 2:55:45
  Speaker 2: on DAZN or something, or pay-per-view.
• 2:55:47
  Speaker 1: And then in April.
• 2:55:48
  Speaker 2: And then it disappears. And in April, the special from
• 2:55:52
  Speaker 2: this material will be out in April.
• 2:55:54
  Speaker 1: Beautiful. Yeah. All right. Great seeing you, my friend.
• 2:55:57
  Speaker 2: You too, man. Thanks for having me.
• 2:55:58
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun.
• 2:55:59
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 2:55:59
  Speaker 1: Bye, everybody.