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- 0:03Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:06Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, December thirty as The Australian's europe correspondent Jacqueline
- 0:15Speaker 1: Magnate covers Olympic Games, papal elections, UK politics, natural disasters,
- 0:20Speaker 1: wars and of course the Royals. Twenty twenty five has
- 0:24Speaker 1: been a huge year for the House of Windsor, and
- 0:27Speaker 1: today Jack joins us to reveal what courtiers are really
- 0:30Speaker 1: saying about the King's cancer, Prince Harry's prospects of coming home,
- 0:35Speaker 1: Megan Michael's future, and the occasional moment when even the
- 0:39Speaker 1: most popular royal, Catherine, Princess of Wales, gets it wrong.
- 0:50Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five, the House of Windsor mourned one
- 0:53Speaker 1: close family member that it is with deep sorrow that
- 0:56Speaker 1: Buckingham Palace announces the death of her Royal Highness, the
- 0:59Speaker 1: Duchess of Canes, and orchestrated the demise of another.
- 1:04Speaker 2: Prince, Andrew will now be known as Andrew Mountbatton. Windsor.
- 1:09Speaker 1: King Charles goes into twenty twenty six still fighting one
- 1:13Speaker 1: undisclosed form of cancer, although he has said his treatment
- 1:18Speaker 1: is reducing and he's on the end. Catherine, Princess of Wales,
- 1:22Speaker 1: continued her recovery from another, also undisclosed form of cancer.
- 1:27Speaker 2: Melaney and I are delighted to visit again with Prince
- 1:31Speaker 2: William and to see her Royal Highness Princess Catherine, so
- 1:35Speaker 2: radiant and so healthy.
- 1:36Speaker 1: So beautiful. Prince Harry sued the United Kingdom and lost,
- 1:43Speaker 1: lost again, and then won a review of his security arrangements.
- 1:48Speaker 1: Meghan Michael and her TV show were quietly dropped by Netflix.
- 1:53Speaker 3: The extension of it, which was such an incredible sign
- 1:56Speaker 3: of the strength of our partnership, was now being a
- 1:59Speaker 3: first look deal, which is also exciting because it gives
- 2:02Speaker 3: us flexibility to go to our partners first and then
- 2:06Speaker 3: at the same time to be able to sharp content
- 2:08Speaker 3: that might not be the rate fit for a Netflix
- 2:11Speaker 3: book has a home somewhere else, and all of it was.
- 2:14Speaker 1: Covered thanks to her excellent contacts in the Royal household
- 2:17Speaker 1: by our own europe correspondent Jacqueline Magnee Jack. This year,
- 2:26Speaker 1: King Charles took pretty serious action against his brother Prince Andrew,
- 2:30Speaker 1: after the revelations about his entanglement with Jeffrey Epstein in
- 2:34Speaker 1: the United States. What was your view and how did
- 2:37Speaker 1: you go about reporting Charles's actions in regard to Andrew.
- 2:42Speaker 2: Well, when it happened, it was in October of twenty
- 2:46Speaker 2: twenty five, and of course this story has been rumbling
- 2:50Speaker 2: along for many, many, many years, and it seemed that
- 2:54Speaker 2: the royal family wanted to try and just bury it.
- 2:58Speaker 2: That they wanted if they thought their normal modus operandi
- 3:03Speaker 2: to if you just ignore it and forget about it,
- 3:06Speaker 2: people will forget about it. But it didn't happen because
- 3:11Speaker 2: of the court cases in America kept bringing up Andrew's
- 3:16Speaker 2: association with Virginia Guchrie. And so when the queen gave
- 3:23Speaker 2: her son, you know, twelve million pounds in her final
- 3:29Speaker 2: year of life to make this go away, I think
- 3:33Speaker 2: the royals thought that that would be the end of
- 3:35Speaker 2: the matter. But it wasn't, of course, and I think
- 3:39Speaker 2: what King Charles did was rather extreme. I mean, this
- 3:43Speaker 2: is unprecedented to strip your brother of his titles to
- 3:49Speaker 2: the point that he's now a commoner. You know, he's
- 3:51Speaker 2: known as Andrew mount Baton windsor mister Andrew mount Batten Windsor,
- 3:58Speaker 2: and all of that privilege, all of that status has
- 4:01Speaker 2: now gone and it seems a really harsh punishment, which
- 4:07Speaker 2: for something that is not yet proven in court. It's
- 4:10Speaker 2: a contested allegation. So what happened with the royal family,
- 4:15Speaker 2: it was seen as a real shock. But I spoke
- 4:19Speaker 2: to a few of the courtiers and some of the
- 4:21Speaker 2: palisades trying to understand the reasoning for such extreme action,
- 4:27Speaker 2: and there was a lot of anger about Andrew not
- 4:30Speaker 2: wanting to leave Royal Lodge, which was this ostentatious thirty
- 4:35Speaker 2: room mansion that he's been living in for decades. Pays
- 4:39Speaker 2: a peppercorn rent, but he does have an ironclad lease
- 4:43Speaker 2: on it, and so that was causing enormous frustration for
- 4:47Speaker 2: not only King Charles, but for Prince William, because they
- 4:51Speaker 2: wanted Andrew to be seen to not be living a
- 4:55Speaker 2: lavish lifestyle. That they wanted him to basically go away
- 5:00Speaker 2: and just live quietly and not be promoted as a
- 5:04Speaker 2: senior royal, But of course Andrew had many different ideas
- 5:08Speaker 2: about that. So this action by King Charles was rather
- 5:15Speaker 2: severe and unprecedented, and it was also done with an
- 5:20Speaker 2: eye to trying to stop any spillover or any consequences
- 5:26Speaker 2: for Prince Harry, because of course He's the other duke
- 5:30Speaker 2: that has trashed the Royal family brand and is a
- 5:33Speaker 2: constant source of some disquiet amongst the Royal family, the
- 5:38Speaker 2: various things that he and Meghan, his wife, get up to.
- 5:42Speaker 2: So I think that they felt that by taking such
- 5:46Speaker 2: extreme action against Andrew, it would stop any such action
- 5:52Speaker 2: against Prince Harry, because Charles does not want to punish
- 5:57Speaker 2: Prince Harry in any way. He wants to re establish
- 5:59Speaker 2: relationship chips with his son. So it's one of those
- 6:03Speaker 2: things that will at work. I don't know. I think
- 6:06Speaker 2: it really opens up a can of worms now that
- 6:09Speaker 2: the British Parliament could perhaps put extra pressure on the
- 6:14Speaker 2: Monarch whenever a member of the Royal family is seen
- 6:18Speaker 2: to be doing something untoward or damaging to the Royal
- 6:21Speaker 2: Family or to British life, that the Parliament may try
- 6:26Speaker 2: and extract a bit more of their power and wield it.
- 6:35Speaker 1: What's your sense of William's involvement in that decision to
- 6:39Speaker 1: freeze out Andrew quite so spectacularly.
- 6:42Speaker 2: Well, William and Andrew don't get on. It's kind of
- 6:45Speaker 2: well known, and we see that in their body language
- 6:48Speaker 2: between the two, and you will not see William defending
- 6:51Speaker 2: Andrew at all and in fact very much distancing himself
- 6:55Speaker 2: from his uncle. And I'm sure that William was consulted,
- 7:00Speaker 2: but I've been told that it was very much King
- 7:02Speaker 2: Charles's decision, and that Charles felt that constitutionally he had
- 7:07Speaker 2: to put an end to this and by doing so,
- 7:11Speaker 2: he's allowing Andrew to move out of the Royal Lodge
- 7:15Speaker 2: and move into a house on his own private estate
- 7:19Speaker 2: in Sandringham. Of course this was a decision that William
- 7:22Speaker 2: wholeheartedly supported, but from what I've been told that it
- 7:26Speaker 2: was actually Charles's decision and what he felt was the
- 7:30Speaker 2: right thing to do.
- 7:34Speaker 4: Well. This is a pretty significant U turner. After years
- 7:37Speaker 4: of legal back and forth for Prince Harry, the UK
- 7:40Speaker 4: government has now agreed to carry out a fresh security
- 7:43Speaker 4: review looking into whether the Duke of Sussex should again
- 7:47Speaker 4: receive taxpayer funded, round the clock police protection when he
- 7:51Speaker 4: visits the UK, even though he's no longer a working minial.
- 7:55Speaker 1: I'm intrigued that you say that Charles is keen to
- 7:58Speaker 1: reconcile with Harry, because you know, Charles is the king
- 8:01Speaker 1: now he could rip up the rule that Queen Elizabeth created.
- 8:06Speaker 1: That means that Meghan and Harry Eric soul in California,
- 8:08Speaker 1: are not allowed to do any royal duties, not allowed
- 8:11Speaker 1: to call themselves. He's in her Royal Highness. Why doesn't
- 8:16Speaker 1: Charles just change the rules and allow them to have
- 8:19Speaker 1: security in the United Kingdom and let them be kind
- 8:21Speaker 1: of half in half outed as they wanted.
- 8:23Speaker 2: Well, he doesn't want that because he knows that the
- 8:26Speaker 2: public in Britain would not be accepting of that decision.
- 8:32Speaker 2: He knows that Meghan and Harry don't want to come
- 8:35Speaker 2: back to the UK, that Meghan is so unpopular that
- 8:39Speaker 2: she will not set foot in the UK, I don't
- 8:42Speaker 2: think in her lifetime. So it's quite easy decision for
- 8:45Speaker 2: him not to have to even go down that path
- 8:47Speaker 2: to enact a new royal decree, which would also have
- 8:51Speaker 2: to get parliamentary approval and would take up some significant
- 8:56Speaker 2: time in the Commons. So he doesn't want his family
- 9:00Speaker 2: spat to be played out amongst politicians, So he wants
- 9:05Speaker 2: to deal with it in his own way and we'll
- 9:07Speaker 2: do it within the existing framework. And it seems to
- 9:11Speaker 2: me that he's been waiting for Harry's legal problems or
- 9:17Speaker 2: legal actions in the UK to finish because as the monarch,
- 9:22Speaker 2: he is actually representing the law in the UK, so
- 9:26Speaker 2: he can't be seen to be having a relationship with
- 9:30Speaker 2: Harry while Harry is essentially suing the King. So it
- 9:37Speaker 2: creates a constitutional issue, especially if Harry then decides to
- 9:43Speaker 2: give some interview about a particular conversation he may have
- 9:46Speaker 2: had with his father. If he suddenly reveals that, oh,
- 9:50Speaker 2: you know, Dad says, you know this is wrong, then
- 9:54Speaker 2: suddenly it would create an unbelievable constitutional crisis. So the King,
- 10:00Speaker 2: he is very mindful of his duties in that regard,
- 10:04Speaker 2: and he has been trying to get Harry to drop
- 10:07Speaker 2: all these legal cases. But Harry is very determined and
- 10:12Speaker 2: stubborn and persisting in them. But I really don't believe
- 10:16Speaker 2: that Meghan will come over in any way, shape or form.
- 10:24Speaker 1: Coming up, we need to talk about Meghan.
- 10:40Speaker 4: I love the holiday season.
- 10:45Speaker 3: It's about finding time to connect with the people we love.
- 10:49Speaker 1: I hope you curated a Christmas tree and a Christmas feast,
- 10:53Speaker 1: Jack in line with Meghan Markle's instructions in her holiday special.
- 10:58Speaker 1: I've found myself draw unto the second season of her
- 11:01Speaker 1: TV show like a car crash. I could not stop
- 11:04Speaker 1: watching her you know, making candles in her crafting barn,
- 11:09Speaker 1: and you know, learning how to open a sea arch.
- 11:12Speaker 1: And what struck me about the show is that, you know,
- 11:16Speaker 1: it's she's so close to being kind of warm and relatable.
- 11:21Speaker 1: But for me, there are two factors. One is that
- 11:24Speaker 1: everything she prepares involves thousands of dollars of expense. You know,
- 11:29Speaker 1: the crafting barn alone would be a multimillion dollar property.
- 11:31Speaker 1: You could put two families in it. And also she
- 11:35Speaker 1: talks a lot about showing up in small ways for
- 11:38Speaker 1: people and showing your love with little gestures.
- 11:41Speaker 3: Embracing traditions I like this, and making new ones.
- 11:48Speaker 1: But in the big gestures, like for example, speaking to
- 11:51Speaker 1: your own father or allowing your children to see their grandfather,
- 11:54Speaker 1: the King, she doesn't show up at all.
- 11:56Speaker 2: No, and that's the problem is the fakery about it.
- 11:59Speaker 4: All.
- 12:00Speaker 2: The people want to see some honesty and genuineness, and
- 12:04Speaker 2: we don't get that because we know it's not true.
- 12:06Speaker 2: In the holiday special, she is promoting, you know, Christmas
- 12:11Speaker 2: as a time for family experiences and togetherness, and yet
- 12:14Speaker 2: in her own family there's so much division, and she
- 12:19Speaker 2: hasn't seen her own father in years that you know,
- 12:21Speaker 2: her children have not seen their grandfather, her father, and
- 12:25Speaker 2: they haven't seen King Charles very often at all, or
- 12:27Speaker 2: they certainly would not have remembered meeting him. So it's
- 12:32Speaker 2: this situation where she does one thing and says another,
- 12:36Speaker 2: and I don't think the viewership really warms to her
- 12:40Speaker 2: because of that. And some of it's so silly. I mean,
- 12:43Speaker 2: who makes lavender balls to put in a Christmas cracker
- 12:49Speaker 2: for their four year old daughter. I mean it's like,
- 12:52Speaker 2: I don't know what four year olds are into wellness
- 12:55Speaker 2: and smelling a scent. I mean they would just want
- 12:58Speaker 2: to get some stickers or a coloring in pen and
- 13:02Speaker 2: you know, go wild or a bike. I mean, let's
- 13:06Speaker 2: get real here.
- 13:09Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to watch someone who is at the
- 13:13Speaker 1: center of the family is cattering the Princess of Wales.
- 13:16Speaker 1: She's become the kind of superstar of the royals, and
- 13:20Speaker 1: it helps that she's incredibly beautiful, I think, and looks
- 13:23Speaker 1: great in a tiara. She has really returned to public
- 13:28Speaker 1: life this year, hasn't she jack after recovering from cancer.
- 13:31Speaker 2: Well, she has, but it's been very carefully calibrated and
- 13:34Speaker 2: when she does make an appearance, a lot is made
- 13:38Speaker 2: of it. So it may see that she's doing a lot,
- 13:41Speaker 2: but actually she's not. Her appearances are very very carefully
- 13:47Speaker 2: put in the diary. They're only ever confirmed hours before
- 13:51Speaker 2: she turns up. They're allowing her a lot of regal
- 13:55Speaker 2: room to get out of things if she doesn't feel
- 13:59Speaker 2: a hundred. So it's not as though it is business
- 14:03Speaker 2: as usual for Catherine. But we do see her now
- 14:07Speaker 2: making more of an effort, and she has certain causes
- 14:11Speaker 2: that are very dear to her heart, and so she's
- 14:14Speaker 2: prioritizing those and we saw that late November when she
- 14:18Speaker 2: gave a speech about early childhood, and that's a passion
- 14:23Speaker 2: project of hers.
- 14:25Speaker 5: As business leaders, you'll face the daily challenge at finding
- 14:28Speaker 5: the balance between profitability and having a positive impact, but
- 14:33Speaker 5: the two are not and should not be incompatible.
- 14:37Speaker 2: It didn't go down that well actually this speech because
- 14:40Speaker 2: people thought that she was lecturing them about, or certainly
- 14:44Speaker 2: lecturing businesses about allowing workers more time off and being
- 14:48Speaker 2: more flexible in working hours. And it came around the
- 14:52Speaker 2: time of the budget where everyone is on tenderhooks about
- 14:56Speaker 2: tax rises and the cost of living pressures over here
- 15:00Speaker 2: extreme and so suddenly there's a little bit of criticism
- 15:04Speaker 2: being thrown at the Royal family because they're an obvious
- 15:07Speaker 2: target of having wealth and opulence and privilege, and people
- 15:12Speaker 2: are starting to question a little bit, and certainly when
- 15:16Speaker 2: that questioning is directed at Catherine, who's the most popular
- 15:20Speaker 2: member of the royal family, then I think people are
- 15:23Speaker 2: suddenly taking notice that well, certainly within the Royal family,
- 15:27Speaker 2: they're noticing that, hey, we need to be a little
- 15:31Speaker 2: bit more down with the people and being out and
- 15:34Speaker 2: about a lot more. So I think we'll see a
- 15:36Speaker 2: lot more of that. I'll also think we'll see the
- 15:39Speaker 2: Royal family try and you know, they call it modern eye,
- 15:43Speaker 2: but essentially just being more in touch with what the
- 15:49Speaker 2: normal Britain is going through. And they can't be seen
- 15:52Speaker 2: to be activists. And we saw that with King Charles
- 15:57Speaker 2: when he was prince, he was very much an activist,
- 15:59Speaker 2: right letters all the time, and he's certainly changed his
- 16:03Speaker 2: ways now he's king. But I think Prince William has
- 16:07Speaker 2: to be a little bit careful with the causes that
- 16:10Speaker 2: he's also pushing that he's not dividing the country. He
- 16:14Speaker 2: really has to bring the country together and bring the
- 16:17Speaker 2: country with him, so that will be a real challenge
- 16:20Speaker 2: for him in the next couple of years. And you know,
- 16:23Speaker 2: it looks like with King Charles's cancer that he's still
- 16:28Speaker 2: betting treatment for but he looks pretty healthy, actually, doesn't
- 16:32Speaker 2: he so, but that is also hanging over the royal
- 16:35Speaker 2: family that there could be a coronation sooner rather than later.
- 16:39Speaker 2: And so Prince William faces, you know, several decades on
- 16:44Speaker 2: the throne, and you know he will do it his
- 16:47Speaker 2: own way. But he's a man who's a lot quieter
- 16:52Speaker 2: and a lot more private than previous monarchs. So it'll
- 16:57Speaker 2: be interesting to see what tone he adopts and how
- 17:00Speaker 2: he changes to the challenges that the Royal family are
- 17:03Speaker 2: going to face.
- 17:15Speaker 1: Jacqueline Magnet is The Australian's europe correspondent. You can read
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