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Checking in on the World Series · District Territory

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the District Territory Podcast. I'm Eric Shellhouse
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  Speaker 1: from Bat Boys Today and I'm joined today by Spencer
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  Speaker 1: Nussbaum of The Athletic. We assume Kevin Franzen is down
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  Speaker 1: in commute to Tampa Bay. I'm currently down here and
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  Speaker 1: Spencer will join me tomorrow for Game 3 of the
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  Speaker 1: World Series where the Brewers currently hold a two games
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  Speaker 1: to nothing advantage. Jacob Mizorowski got the rock in Game 1.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was the big storyline heading into it,
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  Speaker 1: and he didn't disappoint. He went five innings, one run
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  Speaker 1: allowed with four hits and three strikeouts, and he now
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  Speaker 1: has the 24 fastest pitches recorded by a starting pitcher
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  Speaker 1: in World Series history. And the Brewers, of course, ended
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  Speaker 1: up winning the game, but there's a lot of action
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  Speaker 1: early on in Spencer. What stuck out to you watching
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  Speaker 1: on TV, I guess, as a fan?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing that always stands out to
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  Speaker 2: me with any team, but the Brewers in particular, is
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  Speaker 2: the bullpen, right? it's never super clear exactly how that
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  Speaker 2: plays in October and exactly what you need, because you
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it's going to be two guys after
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  Speaker 2: Mizorowski goes seven or five guys after Mizorowski gets bounced early.
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  Speaker 2: But I think at the end of the day, it
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  Speaker 2: was the Brewers bullpen that showed up that really stuck
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  Speaker 2: out to me. And, you know, we can of course
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  Speaker 2: talk about that, that, you know, call in the ninth
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  Speaker 2: inning and some of the controversy or decision-making there. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when you have, five guys that are in
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  Speaker 2: your circle of trust, that's something that probably if no
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  Speaker 2: other team in baseball can replicate it, very few can.
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  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, the performance of that bullpen was outstanding
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  Speaker 2: on the biggest stage. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The Brewer is able to get four innings from Abner, Uribe,
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Ashby, and Trevor McGill. I'm sure we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: Ashby a little bit more later on in the episode.
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  Speaker 1: But as you mentioned, there were some questionable decisions maybe
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  Speaker 1: on the raise end or some interesting just uncharacteristic base
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  Speaker 1: running from them they got doubled off in the first
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  Speaker 1: inning on a double play Aranda did and then a
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  Speaker 1: caught stealing at third base from Victor Mesa later on
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  Speaker 1: with to make the final out you never want to
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  Speaker 1: make the final out at third base it just wasn't
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  Speaker 1: really the baseball we were used to seeing the Rays
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  Speaker 1: play all season.
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  Speaker 2: Right and we you know had all this talk coming
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  Speaker 2: into the World Series about how this was just like
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  Speaker 2: the clean pristine perfect brand of baseball and I I
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  Speaker 2: still think obviously like these two teams are kind of
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  Speaker 2: the model of that or model for that. But it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't that. And we talked about this with Franny too
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  Speaker 2: in a past episode about how every kind of level
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  Speaker 2: you advance in the World Series, if you want to
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  Speaker 2: think about it, kind of like a video game, like
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  Speaker 2: the stakes do get higher, the pressure mounts, like it
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  Speaker 2: isn't the same thing as playing in the CS or
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  Speaker 2: the DS or the wildcard round. And so, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: saw them make a couple of uncharacteristic mistakes and then Um,
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  Speaker 2: actually what I was referring to in the ninth inning, um,
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  Speaker 2: in particular was the play where his foot came off
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  Speaker 2: the bag a little bit. Um, again, that's, that's something where, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it, it made the Brewers win game one twice,
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  Speaker 2: which I thought was, uh, interesting, but, um, you know, we,
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  Speaker 2: we've obviously talked about replay on here before and, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a big proponent of it. I think candidly in
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  Speaker 2: the world series, you need to get things right. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and you need to get a call like that. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And so I have no problem with them running it back. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: and the breweries as they have all season answered the
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  Speaker 2: bell when it seemed like they easily could have been
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  Speaker 2: out of it. So the raise twice, 90 feet away. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and the breweries twice having an edge that, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: still made up for it. So, uh, you know, cool
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  Speaker 2: for that franchise for sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was impressed by Trevor McGill's ability to get his
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  Speaker 1: bearings back together after they were setting off the fireworks
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  Speaker 1: and the smoke. And as he's recording the final out,
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  Speaker 1: you can still see the reminiscence of that during the strikeout.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, all the postgame TV shows and media
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  Speaker 1: coming flying out from the right field bullpen. And then
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  Speaker 1: the umpire is telling them, hey, hold on, hold on, stop.
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  Speaker 1: We might still be playing here. And that replay took
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  Speaker 1: a while and it was really close. But I do
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  Speaker 1: think ultimately they got it right. And as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: when we're playing on the biggest stage here, You want
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  Speaker 1: to make sure they get it right. And Pat Murphy
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  Speaker 1: said the same thing in the postgame press conference. Another
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  Speaker 1: reporter asked him if it made him miss the neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: play at all at times like this. And he said, no,
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  Speaker 1: not at all. We just we want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that we get it right. As you mentioned, got the
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  Speaker 1: Brewers two wins in game one. That was pretty unique.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's my question for you, because you brought up
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  Speaker 2: like the umpire piece of it and like needing to
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  Speaker 2: hold people back or like, you know, try to direct
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  Speaker 2: everything off the field. I know that's way more complicated
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  Speaker 2: in the world series than it is in like a
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  Speaker 2: regular season game or anything like that. But can you like,
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  Speaker 2: were they, did they actually have to like talk to people?
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  Speaker 2: Was there like a scale? Like when did people fully realize, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to be on the field right now.
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  Speaker 2: Like what did that actually look like?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So after what appeared to be the double play,
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  Speaker 1: the brewers were coming out of the dugout to start
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  Speaker 1: doing high fives and everything. And Kevin cash came running
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  Speaker 1: towards the umpires and saying, Hey, we might want to
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  Speaker 1: have a look at this. they came trickling in from
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  Speaker 1: the right field corner and got probably right about to
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  Speaker 1: where the ball girl or ball boy would be before
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  Speaker 1: the umpires didn't really talk to them or anything, just
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  Speaker 1: signaled sort of from the dirt in the first base area,
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  Speaker 1: like freeze, hold, hold on one second. We have to
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  Speaker 1: take a look at this. And they kind of just
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  Speaker 1: stood there in anticipation. And then once they overturned the call,
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  Speaker 1: they backed it out extremely quickly. I was impressed how
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  Speaker 1: quickly they could get people off there just as quickly
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  Speaker 1: as they had gotten onto the field, I guess. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there was really any conversation between the
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  Speaker 1: umpires and that staff. I think it was kind of
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  Speaker 1: just a signal to hold up. And then once they
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  Speaker 1: overturned the call, they sent them back out. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: McGill was able to lock back in and get a
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  Speaker 1: strike out there to get the Brewers a game one victory.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to miss the other World Series episodes
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  Speaker 1: that we'll be doing or future episodes in the offseason. And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, we got the Eli Willits autographed baseball card
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  Speaker 1: coming up eventually. Game two, the Rays came out thrashing
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  Speaker 1: a four-run first inning, but the Brewers were able to
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  Speaker 1: chip away over the course of the game, ultimately coming
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  Speaker 1: back to win 5-4. This one did not come without
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  Speaker 1: some controversy in the ninth inning as well. But the
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  Speaker 1: Brewers were able to get to Drew Rasmussen in a
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  Speaker 1: way that we haven't seen any team really do so,
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  Speaker 1: I think, in this postseason. And I guess maybe oversimplifying it,
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  Speaker 1: but really just chipping away at a bat is kind
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  Speaker 1: of seemed to be what it was for me. But Spencer,
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  Speaker 1: do you have a different take?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's exactly how I'd put it. And I'd
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  Speaker 2: also just follow up by saying there's no such thing
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  Speaker 2: as a sure thing in October, right? Like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'll take that back when Aaron Ashby finishes the
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  Speaker 2: postseason with whatever, 20 scoreless innings or whatever. But at
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  Speaker 2: least as far as starting pitching is concerned, like they
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  Speaker 2: got to Mizorowski, you know, again, the Brewers got to Rasmussen.
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  Speaker 2: You look at, you know, Scooble wasn't perfect when he pitched. Like, absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: you need um top line guys and we've seen teams
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  Speaker 2: fall out of it because they don't have top line
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  Speaker 2: guys that they don't have depth um but yeah they
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  Speaker 2: the brewers have a approach that they stick to they
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  Speaker 2: not only make a lot of contact but they draw
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  Speaker 2: the most walks in baseball and so it's just kind
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  Speaker 2: of a relentless pursuit of not only let's wear this
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  Speaker 2: guy down but like let's do it productively for ourselves
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  Speaker 2: as well right it's not just the fouled off fouled
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  Speaker 2: it off okay and then we struck out um And
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  Speaker 2: that puts a lot of pressure on even the guy
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  Speaker 2: who's been the most consistent pitcher in October. And it's
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  Speaker 2: a marvel to watch. It can be, I'm sure, if
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  Speaker 2: you're a Rays fan, extremely frustrating. Why can't our best
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  Speaker 2: pitcher put someone away after 11 pitches? But that's what
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  Speaker 2: the Brewers do better than anyone else in baseball. And
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  Speaker 2: you're seeing it, again, at the most difficult level possible. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They were just chippy and gave him a very tough time,
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  Speaker 1: and they didn't stop once they got into the Rays' bullpen.
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  Speaker 1: As I mentioned, five unanswered runs after the four-run first
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  Speaker 1: inning from the Rays, and they would win that game 5-4.
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  Speaker 1: But in the ninth inning, a little bit of controversy.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Ashby with 15 and two-thirds scoreless innings to begin
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  Speaker 1: his postseason in a saving game, too. But it was
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  Speaker 1: this check swing call from Yandy Diaz that ended the game,
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  Speaker 1: that had some people up in arms on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: From the overhead view... Looks like he went from the side.
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  Speaker 1: It's not really quite as clear. Ultimately, the call ended
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  Speaker 1: the game with the tying run again, 90 feet away
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  Speaker 1: at third base. Spencer, where are we at with the
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  Speaker 1: check swing calls, man? I think pretty soon we are
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  Speaker 1: probably going to be looking at an ABS sort of
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  Speaker 1: future there too, but do you think that they got
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  Speaker 1: this call correct?
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  Speaker 2: So I guess I'd zoom out before I zoom in,
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  Speaker 2: which is to say that those calls are unbelievably difficult
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  Speaker 2: for umpires to make in part because of how fast
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  Speaker 2: the swings are. Um, and a large part because there
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  Speaker 2: isn't necessarily a defined, um, you know, break the plane
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  Speaker 2: angle that every umpire follows. Right. Um, when we see
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  Speaker 2: it in the minor leagues with the automated, uh, check system, which, um,
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  Speaker 2: was pretty sparing, but still, um, you know, major league
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  Speaker 2: baseball or minor league baseball experimented with it this season, um,
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  Speaker 2: the plane is the first base and third baseline. And
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  Speaker 2: so in that situation, Yandy Diaz did not break that
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  Speaker 2: plan per se. But I think if you ask the
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  Speaker 2: average fan to slow it down and say, did he
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  Speaker 2: break the plane we're used to saying, they would say yes, right?
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  Speaker 2: So it's kind of in that gray area. And that's
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  Speaker 2: why I hope that, you know, Major League Baseball does
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  Speaker 2: eventually put in that check system, because candidly, those are
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  Speaker 2: harder to get than balls and strikes, I think. And
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  Speaker 2: so like, honestly, if you were to ask me which
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  Speaker 2: one I would rather have automatic ball strike system or
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  Speaker 2: check swing system, I might actually opt for the check
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  Speaker 2: swing system just because it's so difficult to get right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that being said, you know, again, like if
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  Speaker 2: you're going based on what most people would say, if you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, freeze framed it, sure, he went around. But
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  Speaker 2: I just I think it's such a difficult call. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's one where there's a black and
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  Speaker 2: white answer. So yeah, that's my long way of saying,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I totally agreed. Like, I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: harder call to make. The umpire is 90 feet away
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to right behind home plate. And there isn't,
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  Speaker 1: everyone maybe has a different interpretation of what a check
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  Speaker 1: swing is. Is it the barrel? Is it the wrist?
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  Speaker 1: How far does he need to cock around? I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I really don't know what, that call was
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  Speaker 1: at the end, but Liam immediately brought up how the
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  Speaker 1: Dodgers Giants series ended a few or not a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago, but back in 2021 and how that was
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  Speaker 1: a critical call that I think they probably got wrong
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  Speaker 1: in that one. Um, but yeah, moments like this probably
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  Speaker 1: just creeping closer to the future of, uh, ABS taking
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  Speaker 1: over from the, uh, check swing perspective as well. I
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  Speaker 1: think it would probably be good for the game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. And like, again, it's bad
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  Speaker 2: that it happened in the world series. Technically world series
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  Speaker 2: game two is more important, impactful than it. Um, the
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  Speaker 2: final game of the DS, I believe it was with
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  Speaker 2: the giants and Dodgers. Um, but that ended a team season. Like,
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  Speaker 2: can you imagine if this happened in a game seven
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  Speaker 2: or a, you know, clinching game? It, it, it candidly
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't be the way that the game ends. And there's
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  Speaker 2: so much that, you know, builds up to it and
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  Speaker 2: they could have made so many, you know, different choices or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, better pitches or whatever to not get to
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  Speaker 2: that point. But I just don't think a game should
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  Speaker 2: ever end on something that up in the air, so
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  Speaker 2: to speak.
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  Speaker 1: So looking ahead to game three tomorrow, or I guess
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  Speaker 1: later today when this episode goes live, it's Robert Gasser
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  Speaker 1: against Freddy Peralta, who has been absolutely nails this season
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  Speaker 1: and the Rays will need him now more than ever
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  Speaker 1: with their season on the line down two games to
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  Speaker 1: none in the World Series. What is going to be
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  Speaker 1: critical for him to continue to do what he has
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  Speaker 1: done this postseason?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was actually looking at something from Eno Saris,
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  Speaker 2: who's the athletics, one of our like big data guys.
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  Speaker 2: And he went through and talked, you know, we've talked
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  Speaker 2: so much about, you know, Peralta's ascent once he joined
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  Speaker 2: the Rays, their ability to make changes with him. But
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  Speaker 2: it's the fact that, again, like to simple it or
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  Speaker 2: dumb it down or however, he's he's hit 99. Like
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  Speaker 2: he's he's throwing velocity harder than he's thrown all year.
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  Speaker 2: His command is still excellent. And he's Freddie Peralta. Like
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  Speaker 2: he knows how to pitch, right? It's not someone who's
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  Speaker 2: just throwing 99, has no idea where it's going. It's
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  Speaker 2: one of the, you know, premier pitchers in baseball finding
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  Speaker 2: his way back on the mound, right? Pressure hasn't been
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  Speaker 2: too much for him yet. I would be surprised if
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  Speaker 2: it's too much for him again. Again, it's just about
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  Speaker 2: kind of being able to miss bats with this Brewers
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  Speaker 2: lineup that does not miss bats, or at least getting
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  Speaker 2: them to put the ball in play weekly, which, You know,
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  Speaker 2: I do not know how a team does at this point.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't seen anyone, you know, outmaneuver the Brewers and their,
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  Speaker 2: you know, collection of nine guys who can do it. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we'll see exactly how that plays out. But just it's
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  Speaker 2: such a testament for and thinking of it as a
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  Speaker 2: someone who covers the Nationals, someone who follows baseball across
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  Speaker 2: the league. You need more than three or four guys,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Not everyone has to be a superstar, but
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  Speaker 2: everyone needs to be able to put the ball in play,
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  Speaker 2: play their role, and that's exactly what the Brewers have. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think the fans have got to be loud behind him, too.
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  Speaker 1: When we were flying in today, we saw a pretty
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  Speaker 1: decent amount of Brewers fans getting onto the plane and
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  Speaker 1: flying down to Tampa to make the support on the road. So,
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  Speaker 1: Rays fans that are in attendance, you all have to
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  Speaker 1: be loud. One other thing I want to ask you about, Spencer,
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  Speaker 1: have you heard the viral Milwaukee Brewers song, And is
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  Speaker 1: it stuck in your head as much as it is
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  Speaker 1: stuck in mine right now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, bangs. I mean, this is this is the perfect
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  Speaker 2: question for a podcast hosted by two Gen Z people, right?
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  Speaker 2: We wrote a story on it the other day and
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  Speaker 2: all the comments were like, this is what qualifies as
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  Speaker 2: a song these days. You know, that's that's that song rips.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Franny would disagree, although I feel like he probably
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: would agree. It's it's pretty darn good. And, you know,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: does it have to sound the best? No, but it's
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: it's catchy as hell. So. Um, you know, I, all
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I hope really, if I'm putting them on my doom
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: and gloom hat is that there aren't 29 other fan
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: bases trying to copy it. Cause you, this is lightning
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: in a bottle. This is something that only one team
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: can do. And they, uh, I do not remember the
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: name of the artist, but they, they knocked it out
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: of the park with this one. Yeah. They hit some
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: home runs.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: Phone them. I think they hit some home runs and
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: played some baseball. Um, yeah, we might have to bring
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: this up, uh, when Franny gets back on the show
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: because it is catchy as hell. I can't get it
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: out of my head. And yeah, we can't have 29
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: other teams trying to make an anthem like this. It's
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: one of a kind and feels like a special season
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: for the Brewers, but we will see if they can
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: get the job done. We'll be back later in the
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: week with another episode. Spencer, have a safe flight down
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: to Tampa tomorrow. Keep listening to the Foul Territory Network
• 16:35
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• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Boys Baseball and keep reading The Athletic. Anything else you
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: want to throw in?
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Let's hit some home runs.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Let's hit some home runs. Jacob is that pitcher. Three strikes,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: you're out. We will see you later. Take care of yourselves, everyone.