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Episode 19 - From Clubs to Consent: The Bull’s Playbook for Smart Swinging · The Bull Brotherhood

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-minded explorers, we see you. Let's go. Good
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evening, listeners. Welcome to another informative
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episode of the Bull Brotherhood Podcast. I'm
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the single male themself, Brian Morgan, coming
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at you with the family, the beautiful and lovely
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Siren. Say what's up, beautiful. What's up, beautiful?
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And of course, the perpetual student, my nephew,
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Socrates. What's good? What's good, man? I'm
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doing good. Good deal. Good deal. Ladies and
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gentlemen, tonight we have a topic that this
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is really one that nephew is going to lead. The
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topic is, of course, swinging. And, of course,
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I tell people all the time I have had very little
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contact in the swinging world, although I do
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have a lovely. that we are in a polyamorous relationship
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with, they are active swingers. But I do not
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really dive into that world. But tonight, though,
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we're going to discuss, I guess, the pros and
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cons of swinging. So at this time, I'm going
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to turn it over to the perpetual student himself,
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Socrates. He's going to lead this tonight. Take
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it away, brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So
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one of our, you know, our goals here and our
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desires at the Bull Brotherhood. podcast is that
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we know that we are in a niche of a niche. And
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what I mean by that is, you know, if you're in
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ethical non -monogamy, you're a niche, right?
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Even though people cheat, we're still the minority.
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And then if you look at the kind of ethical non
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-monogamy that we practice, considering all the
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variations. that you can practice ethical non
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-monogamy, we're in a niche of a niche, which
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is, you know, hot wife, interracial, bulls, cuckold
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relationships, stag vixen. These are niches of
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niches. So why would anybody besides the people
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in this community want to hear anything we have
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to say, especially broader in the ethical non
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-monogamy space and beyond? Because we know and
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we understand and we believe that we have skills
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that everybody in every dynamic, whether it be
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monogamous, conservative, liberal, and I mean
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types, not political families, and swinging everything.
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So what we're going to talk about is just our
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perspective on it. And like Unk said, he doesn't
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have a lot of experience in it, but he has been
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around the block. That's all we have going here
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because he has a really cool perspective. And
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guess what? Sometimes we may not agree or sometimes
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we're not going to talk about everything we like
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or love. We're just going to share our opinion
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from our perspective. You know, you know, as
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a nerd, as somebody who researches, I encourage
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you to do your research. You know, I encourage
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you to, you know, hit us up and see if, well,
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you know what? I can test what you're saying
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here. I think your numbers are off or your research
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is skewed, whatever. So that's what we're going
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to do. And plus. You know, for the first couple
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of weeks, Siren and I started off swinging. But
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I would have to go back to. No, we didn't. From
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the first night. Oh, well, we did full swap the
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first. We full swapped the first night. I wasn't
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so sure because, you know, as you know, I love
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the brothers. And that's been my preference for
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a long time. But I wasn't sure if it was going
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to be successful because the guy was not. But
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he was amazing. It was super fun. That was a
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really fun full swap. It started with me going
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down on her, though. And I hadn't eaten pussy
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in 12 years. And then she came a couple of times.
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And she said it was great. So I was like, sweet,
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back in the game. And then we had a group play
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session. two group play sessions and another
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full swap. So, yeah. So right away, we were,
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like, past the full swap there. Like, right away.
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And I practiced swinging in my previous relationship.
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So, you know, basically swinging is a subset
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of ethical non -monogamy. It's when usually it's
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a heterosexual couple who decides to open their
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relationships up and... you know, ethically and
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consensually and hopefully with as much education
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as possible. And enjoyably. Enjoyably. You know,
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it's going to be fun. Educationally. Right. Get
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into this lifestyle. And they decide to full
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swap or soft swap or have experiences with other
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couples. So the husband, you know, is looking
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to interact with from flirting to. full -on sex
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with another man's wife, and his wife is looking
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to do the same thing with her husband. So that
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is the essence of swinging. It is how the lifestyle
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began in America. Now, there's been millions
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of versions of it all over the world, all over
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history. But in America, it actually got started.
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Do you know how swinging got started in America?
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I actually do not. Tell me. And we're both, you
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know, men have served in branches, me, the Navy,
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and you, the Army, correct? Correct. Well, it
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was the Air Force. It was the Chair Force, y
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'all. So back in World War II, you would think
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the infantry was the most endangered or at risk
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of dying in the military, and it was not. It
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was actually the fighter pilots. So these guys
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were getting picked off left and right. And we
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were winning most of the time. We were getting
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picked off left and right. So eventually, the
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new recruits that are coming in that kind of
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knew this would be like, hey, man, you know,
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get to the point where they're going to be in
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combat. They're getting deployed. And they're
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like, I don't know if I'm going to come back
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to be alive. And I just got married. I want my
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wife to be. taken care of, or my kids, or maybe
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we just started a family. Can you take care of
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her? Yeah, well, all right. If you want to include
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sex in that, of course, I'm going to be dead.
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You know, just take care of her, right? So I
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don't want her in these streets. This is serious.
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If you look up, actually, there's a book called
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The Lifestyle, and it's like, chronicalizes the
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beginning of it and talks about it and research
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and everything. And so they started that. And
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then it actually then developed later on into
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the 70s to the key parties. So if you guys have
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ever watched The Grinch, the one with Jim Carrey,
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there's a scene in it where they're dancing inside
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and they're throwing a key into this glass bowl.
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And there's a movie that Sigourney Weaver was
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in where they did the same thing. And then that
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really weird bee movie that we saw about swinging
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and the neighbor becoming obsessed. Right. There's
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a lot of bee movies about it. There actually
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is a scene in The Hunting Wives where she's,
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it's kind of swinging, where they kind of can
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date other people or play with other people outside
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of it. But it's a version of swinging. It's kind
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of a loose version of swinging. Yeah, but the
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wife can only play with other women. And that's
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why I say it's aversion because the man, there's
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a lot of times where in swinging, you know, sometimes
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it's because the man's being kind of forceful
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and sometimes it's just because the way it works
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out, the woman's fine with it. Where it would
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be like, oh, well, I can play with as many women,
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but you can only play with me, right? Or you
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can only play with one other guy. They'll restrict
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the woman. And, you know, that's, you know, if
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it's... unconsensual we don't you know if you're
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doing that you don't and your wife wants to play
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and you're just jealous or selfish we don't condone
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that but there are those dynamics where the wife
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is just not interested she likes women she wants
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to explore the women's side more than she wants
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to explore men and that works out great for him
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he's like okay bad you know works wins you know
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win -win so we now it's it's really taken on
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a life where i don't know that any one Any one
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couple is 100 % just like, you know, full swap
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swingers. But I would say swinging is about 60
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% of ethical non -monogamy that's not polyamorous.
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Would you agree, Siren? Yes. I was thinking,
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and I was kind of stuck on... the whole consensual
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thing of like everyone agreeing and being agreed
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in agreements on that because I have a local
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guy that I've just briefly been chatting with
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and it came up today I was asking you know I
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was like going through all my process and I'm
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like all right you're gonna have to talk to my
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husband soon um you know would you like to meet
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for a drink to see if we even vibe And so we're
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kind of working out the details with that. And
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I said, if we vibe, can you host sometimes? And
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he said, no, I can't because my family's there.
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And, you know, he's like, otherwise I would.
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And I said, OK, family. I was like, like a wife
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and kids or. And he said, yeah, he's like, people
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have families. And I said, oh, yeah, I have no
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problem with having a family. you know and and
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then I accidentally typed if you have a boyfriend
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and kids I don't care you know it was but I meant
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wife and kids and he said yeah I have a wife
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and you know she just says as long as I don't
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bring any drama home blah blah blah well then
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I move on to our ethical standard which is Socrates
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and I have to verify with that partner that we
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can play with them and so I asked him about that
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And then he basically gave me this answer that
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was like saying, no, you're not fucking talking
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to my wife. So this is where I say thank you
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for being honest with me and sharing your dynamic.
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I wish you well. Ethics are very important in
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the swinging situation. And then what was the
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rest of it? Can you repeat that part for me after
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that? My brain just got stuck on that. Stuck
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on what part? Stuck on the part about consenting.
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And everybody being in agreement of what you're
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going to do. And then I told that story about
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the ethics. Yeah, no, no, no. So, I mean, basically,
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we're just kind of given the foundations of what
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swinging is. Right. And to people outside, you
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know, if you're in the vanilla world, and vanilla
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doesn't mean bad. It just means you're not doing
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this stuff. You're, you know, you want to be
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monogamous. You know, from the outside looking
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in, it might look all confusing. And some people
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in this lifestyle don't even like the labels,
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right? I like labels not because they restrict
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you, but because they help define distinctions.
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When is one thing something and not the other,
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right? But, Unk, let me ask you a question. I
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know... Go ahead. I know you have, you said you
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have very little experience. What experience
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have you had with swinging personally, even if
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it's just people you've been with and they're
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sharing their stories? I've been invited with
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a few couples to attend swinger events. Some
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of the events actually were, you know, telling
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you, asking for a few vetted single guys to come.
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Some didn't know that I was coming until I arrived
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there with the couple. I sit back. You know me.
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I sit back and I watch. And I just see how a
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lot of the times you have a couple there. Let's
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say you have an extremely attractive couple there.
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Both of them are very, very attractive. Sometimes
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they just don't mesh with a whole lot of other
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couples. Or there's I'm not a drinker at all.
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I don't drink. I don't smoke. Alcohol may be
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involved at parties and you get ones women. They
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get completely tore out of the damn frame and
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they may try to come on to a to a husband and
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the wife. OK, I'm standing right here. You know,
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you don't see me. It's just it's just too many
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things. It's too many things, too many variables
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for me that can happen when all four people aren't
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on the same page. You know, I've seen two couples
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who look like that. They were I'm saying myself,
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OK, they look like they might they might mesh.
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But in the conversation, it didn't happen. It
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didn't happen. And I don't know if the communication
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just was not there. You know what I mean? They
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just didn't know how to talk to each other to
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maybe make everything click or something else.
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But I was like, I don't like this type of lifestyle.
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So, you know, I choose not to dive into it. Like
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I say, even though Phillip and Lindsey, my couple,
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they do. But she kind of knows that when they
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come back from an event, she may tell me a little
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something about it. I kind of know what happened
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there. She ended up playing with a whole lot
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of the women and not necessarily any guys, you
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know, because for her now, she is a hot wife.
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She lives in the hot wife world. You know, Phillip
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does his thing at the party if he so chooses.
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But, you know, a lot of times, you know, she
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doesn't. So it's four ones. It's for couples,
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and for the couples who love it, hey, my hat's
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off to you. But just myself, I've chosen not
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to dive into it. Yeah, so I want to talk about
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those. So in my first relationship in the lifestyle,
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you know what I've noticed about that? What you're
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talking about, you're basically explaining how
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hard it is to find that four -way connection.
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And that's the same situation. with me and siren
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the only difference is we have a lot more options
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you know if we you strike out there and when
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you know my first relationship if we struck out
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in a four -way connection that's it no more options
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well it just didn't work you know go back to
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the drawing board right i didn't know that do
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you know that no oh so like you mean like after
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one time of trying it with one couple or well
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yeah okay so you know one of our favorite clubs
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was a club it's no longer open it's called um
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club fa club fa freedom makers and it was actually
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like a resort on one side you know like maybe
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like a couple of miles down the way one of the
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largest lifestyle clubs in the country had 69
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beds it had At one point, it had two dance floors
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and two hot tubs. It was amazing. Where was this
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located? It was in Southern California, San Bernardino,
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in the Longhire area, in SoCal, east of L .A.
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County. So anyway, we would go down there, and
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it was the best. It was a perfect cross -section
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of race. age color like you know it was it reflected
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california you know it was varying degrees of
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attractiveness size shape you know and it was
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it was dj was it was just great but yeah if you
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think about it right now siren and i can meet
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a couple and we vibe we can go siren and i can
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say you know what I'm going to get you a gang
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bang. You go in the room, get ready. I'll gather
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up 10 dudes. We'll get you taken care of. Siren
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can do the same for me. There's so many different
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things because we are so many different dynamics
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in one. And so we have those options, right?
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When you're swinging, you've got, and you're,
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you know, especially if you're new. You're swinging
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and you have maybe emotional issues to do or
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you're just a little bit more conservative or
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just only really tickles your fancy to find another
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couple, have that forward connection, right?
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And that's the only thing that's on the table
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because you're new. And so, yeah, we would go
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down there and, you know, we'd drive an hour
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and a half, two hours to get there. And you're
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there. You've got about four or five hours, right,
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to get in, get some drinks, get settled. Everybody
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comes, see who you can see, hopefully vibe with
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somebody, then sit down and talk to them because
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you're new. So you want to talk for two hours.
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Even the people that don't like to talk a lot
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want to talk that long. Believe it or not, I
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talk a lot. I wanted to get to it. I know, me
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too. That first night, I was like, let's go fuck
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each other. We're taking too long. I thought
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I had visions of people just constantly approaching
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us. And people just pairing off really quickly.
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That's the vision of every person. Everybody
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before they get into the lifestyle is like, oh,
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how's he going to go in that room? He's going
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to jump on you. He's like, come on, come on.
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No, but we would go down to a club like that,
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and then we were fairly good -looking people,
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so we would either get approached or approach,
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and then maybe that took, the whole process took
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an hour. All right, well, you've been there 45
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minutes. You approach. Now you're there an hour
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and 45 minutes. Then you start intermingling.
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dancing and the vibe is not there so now it maybe
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took you 15 20 minutes to get see what the vibe
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wasn't there and then another five minutes to
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figure out well how do we get the fuck out of
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this you know yeah i think we've settled a lot
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right like we kind of just like grab somebody
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i felt myself getting anxious sometimes but then
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there's other times where we haven't played at
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all like when we went to privada yeah A lot of
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people just standing around looking at each other.
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So we had sex with each other like four times,
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which was awesome. Put on a big show in the middle
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of the room. He ate my pussy and I just squirted
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everywhere and people clapped. It was cool because
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one of the guys that was working there like ran
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and got us towels. And he was like, this is the
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best night of this job. He's like, thank you.
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Thank you so much. It was the coolest. I felt
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like a celebrity, a squirt celebrity. I don't
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know. I felt very confident walking around there
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after that. Thank you for your hard work. I just
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laid there and enjoy and put on a little show
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for everyone. Tyron, she squirts and she screams.
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Yeah, so my point getting back to it is like,
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It's tough being a swinger, but that's why there
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are actually more events for swingers than anything.
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There's so many, you know, cruises you can go
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on to and clubs that only cater to swingers and
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resorts that only cater. It is the majority of
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it because it is so hard to find that connection.
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And that's why I don't really, I'm not mad at
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clicks in the lifestyle. Yeah. I'm really not
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because. It's a little different. I haven't even
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the driest club or event I've been to. They're
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way more funnier than people at the club, a regular
23:26
club. And so, you know, it's like in this lifestyle,
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we are, we're just, we're much more open. But
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when you get in here, you're sharing your private
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parts. And if you're a poly, you're sharing your
23:41
whole damn life. And eventually you start saying,
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it's not that I'm judging that crowd. I'm just,
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that's not my vibe right there. Yeah. Well, and
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we were talking about that with Kiki that was
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on the Siren of Freedom podcast this week. And
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how they also, like, we love her and her husband.
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They're great people. But they have their own
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little, like, pot of people. We have our own
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little pot of people. And the only time that
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we might cross paths. in the lifestyle is if
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we're at our local like lifestyle spot but as
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far as little parties go that's like it's normal
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to get a group of people like you said that you're
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comfortable with and you know that you feel safe
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around and then we all just kind of talk to each
24:29
other all the time You know, like something my
24:31
friend just texted me like, oh, my man's got
24:34
a play date with so -and -so tonight. And then,
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you know, tomorrow we'll ask so -and -so how
24:38
it was, you know. And it's just fun because we've
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all just become close -knit like that where we
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can just, you know, just freely chit -chat and,
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you know, enjoy one another's company. And it's
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a lot more comfortable for me personally on my
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journey of like just I love now telling these
24:56
women like certain things that I want them to
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do while they're here. So that's fun for me.
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Yeah. But, you know, that's the good thing about
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our dynamic is we have those. Swingers don't.
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But here's the thing. I want another perspective
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on it. It's also, that's our perspective because
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our needs, our demands, our desires, our fantasies,
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how fast we're going, like, you know, that's
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the whole thing. But it's also great for some
25:27
people that want to take it slow. Mm -hmm. It's
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great for some people that don't run a risk a
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lot. Yeah. Right. And some people. There's nothing
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wrong with anything that you choose or however
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long their journey takes. Yeah. That's what I
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liked about it. It's like it did give me the
25:43
time I needed to ask a thousand questions because
25:47
in, you know, we go to the parties, we go to
25:50
the clubs, we go to the, you know, splash. There
25:55
are some women that want you to invest maybe
25:57
eight or nine hours. collectively before you
26:00
get it in Splash, right? That's cool. In swinging
26:03
situations, sometimes I invest in months just
26:07
to even get a meet and greet, right? Wow. That
26:12
was good that you guys did that then because
26:15
this girl, this girl, yeah, she's the impatient
26:20
one in the relationship, and I do not like the
26:23
long game at all. My husband... He has himself
26:27
a good time over there. But I get, I'm like a,
26:32
hey, five text messages, let's meet for coffee.
26:35
And then if we're cool, like, let's set up the
26:37
session to play. I'm ready to go. But my husband
26:41
will talk to some bitch for like, and bitch,
26:44
when I say bitch, I mean, I love you. My friend,
26:47
we call each other bitches all the time. So,
26:50
so, you know, my husband will spend like a damn
26:54
near a year talking to somebody. and get to play
26:57
with them maybe twice at the most. And I just,
27:02
the Lord made him for that and not me. But it
27:07
kind of works out because I'm a girl, and so
27:10
I don't have to play the long game most of the
27:14
time. Would you agree with that, Socrates? We
27:16
have to be talking about this. No, here's the
27:18
thing. But you do enjoy, you will be getting
27:22
to enjoy, there's some guys playing the long
27:25
game with you. That you know about? Yes. Whatever.
27:31
Okay. Are you serious? You're making me blush.
27:38
That's so sweet. That's so sweet that you know
27:41
about it. Sometimes a long game isn't, oh, I'm
27:46
working on her. Sometimes a long game is, let
27:49
me get my shit together before I even step to
27:52
her. Why does somebody else, well... But in the
27:56
lifestyle, why do you have to keep your shit
27:58
together? I don't care if you broke on your mom's
28:00
couch. You say that now, but I could name some
28:03
people that you've kicked to the curb. As you
28:06
should have, because your standard's raised.
28:08
And they know that? Yeah, okay. Oh, yeah. I'm
28:11
not talking about this particular person. You're
28:13
not talking about financials. Sorry, I was thinking
28:16
financially. No, no, no, no. You just mean character
28:19
-wise. No, no, no, no. Some of them, I know of
28:21
several. Number one. Number two, some might be
28:25
financial. Others might be confidence. Others
28:28
might be, you said, you've told very few, but
28:33
you've told some guys, no, I'm not interested,
28:36
straight up. And they're like, I'm going to get
28:40
a second chance. I'm going to get my stuff together.
28:43
I'm going to do this. Yeah, yeah. What? I would
28:46
like to know just one. You don't? Tell me later.
28:48
No. No. I'm not going to do that. I will give
28:51
you the bestest blowjob you have ever had in
28:54
your entire life. The bestest, longest, sloppiest,
28:59
juiciest, tongues - I don't know. That kind.
29:03
I don't know what guy or guys you all are talking
29:06
about in the lifestyle that are worried about
29:09
finances. All right. Hit before the end game,
29:12
which is ass. But whoever the hell they are or
29:16
he is or whatever, he needs to get the fuck out
29:18
of the lifestyle if he's worried about finances.
29:21
Yeah, it's not cheap. Period, though, if he's
29:25
worried about that. What do you think, like,
29:27
what does that financial stability represent
29:30
for you in Bulls? What does financial stability
29:35
represent in Bulls? Yeah, well, for you, like,
29:39
I want to hear, like, what is Brian thinking
29:41
about this? Okay. I'm definitely not going into
29:47
talking to any couple or any woman thinking about
29:50
my financial status. I'm not. I'm putting her
29:55
on a pedestal. Believe me, I'm putting her on
29:57
a pedestal. I'm getting to know her. I want to
30:00
find out who she is, et cetera, et cetera. But
30:02
am I thinking about my financial status, you
30:07
know, for the end game? No, I'm not. I'm not
30:10
thinking about that. Okay. Now, if we're trying
30:15
to take this, well, no, let me ask, where are
30:18
you going with this with these guys? All right.
30:23
Is this just siren play date or is this siren
30:27
trying to go out on dates and et cetera, et cetera
30:32
with these guys? I mean, you know, elaborate,
30:36
elaborate what you expect. Oh, I don't, and I
30:41
hope I didn't come across saying that I have
30:43
financial requirements for the guys in the lifestyle
30:46
because I'm taking care of them. Well, I mean,
30:49
you know, the way, well, I'm just saying, or
30:51
the way Socrates just said it, financial status,
30:54
that I thought that, okay, the guy needs to have
30:57
some type of, you know, his money needs to be
31:01
long or something. No, at least he needs to be
31:05
able to pay his cell phone bill. He doesn't get
31:09
disconnected when he wants to call me. Well,
31:12
let me jump in. Well, here's the thing. That's
31:17
why they're coming to me for counsel. I'm telling
31:21
them you don't have to worry about it. Some is
31:23
this legitimate, like, I need to get to Splash,
31:25
or I need to fly to you, or I need to pay for
31:29
her to be able to fly out. It's more of like,
31:32
I'm not even going to try or bullshit her. I'm
31:36
just going to get it right. And I'm like, well,
31:38
let's be creative. Or, brother, you know, don't
31:41
worry about that too much. Just start working
31:43
on the relationship. She'll talk. You know, I'm
31:46
counseling them. I'm not telling them they should.
31:48
We don't have any. I pay for her pretty much.
31:50
If I send her out, I pay for all that. Okay,
31:54
but I'm just saying that you just, okay, now
31:56
you just answered my question. So, okay then.
31:58
Yeah, they have to be financially stable if they're
32:02
going to fly, if she's going to fly to see them.
32:04
Yeah. I don't want to broke out there. Yeah.
32:07
I don't. The thing is this. My requirement is
32:09
I fly her out. Are you going to pick her up?
32:12
Are you going to take her out to eat? She had
32:14
to pay for her own food. You know, are you going
32:17
to or is it I'll fly her out. I'll take care
32:20
of everything. You just deliver the dick, you
32:22
know. But some of these guys, I tell them that
32:25
I'm saying, hey, dude, if you just deliver a
32:27
good dick and take care of her and treat her
32:29
right. I'll take care of everything. Don't worry
32:32
about that. And she's incredibly creative with
32:35
all that travel hacking stuff. So I'm counseling
32:39
them. But some dudes are. I was. So they're interested.
32:44
Because for me, it's like, yeah, that's my only
32:47
requirement. My point, I don't want to, you know,
32:48
this podcast is about swinging. You know what?
32:52
This is our podcast, and we do what the fuck
32:54
we want. I just don't, I want to. I want to be
32:56
disciplined on the subject matter. But my point
32:58
is, my point is, is that that's why I'm counseling
33:04
them to let them know, like, hey, bro, like,
33:08
you know, here's what it takes to really be a
33:11
bull, really be a leader, to really be a man.
33:14
And this is what women are looking for. And I'm
33:17
taking, you know, I'm telling them some, if you
33:19
want this experience, then you got to pay for
33:21
it. But if you just want to deliver the dick.
33:24
I got you because I like to fly my wife out and
33:27
she likes to fly. So I'm just telling them, hey,
33:31
bro, like, I got you. Don't worry about it. We'll
33:33
find a creative way. But, you know, some of them,
33:36
I used to be that way. I was, there was a point
33:40
where I could have dated and I was technically
33:43
homeless. I wasn't on the streets. I was rooming
33:46
with someone right before I met Siren. And I
33:50
said, I can go out and. date right now if I want
33:54
to, or I can put my head down, get some sales,
33:58
get me a two -bedroom apartment, furnish that
34:00
motherfucker, and start a business. And that's
34:03
what I decided to do. I didn't really date it.
34:06
The only thing I did is if I catched a couple
34:09
when I was being a bull. But I wasn't out there
34:12
trying to date. Where I live, I could have went
34:14
to the bar any time, picked up a girl every weekend.
34:18
But I said, no, I'm going to put my head down.
34:19
So I respect that hustle type of way. I know
34:22
what you're saying, Unc. You're saying, hey,
34:24
man, if you have enough game, if you get your
34:26
shit together, you don't have to be worrying
34:28
about putting money in a woman's pocket. That's
34:31
not what this lifestyle is about. You don't have
34:33
to worry about that. Be a good man. Be quality.
34:37
That's what you're saying, Unc. Well, and I wouldn't
34:39
even be allowed to accept that. Right. You know
34:42
what I mean? Like, my husband takes care of me.
34:44
These guys can pay for things that also benefit
34:46
them, like a hotel room, me coming there. Right.
34:50
And, you know, us enjoying dinners together or
34:53
whatever. You know, and guys have been great,
34:56
honestly. And there's other factors. Like, some
34:59
of these guys don't live. See, we have places
35:01
we go. We have cities that we frequent. Some
35:05
of these guys are off the beaten path. So I'm
35:07
like, no, son, I'm not flying her out there.
35:09
Yeah, because it's like $900. Yeah, too much
35:12
money. I'm not paying for that. I'll fly her
35:15
to our frequent places if you're there. But if
35:17
you want to fly her out, bet. Or if you want
35:22
to work something out, you want to fly here,
35:25
bet. But I'm not paying for either one of those.
35:28
I'll help you with everything else. So the whole
35:32
point is there has been a couple of guys who
35:35
are playing the long game with you. And the long
35:42
game doesn't mean to sit around and, oh, I want
35:44
to be some pussy, so let me text her. Can you
35:46
give me some pussy? I ain't giving you no pussy
35:48
because you got to talk to me some more. Okay,
35:50
I'll talk to you some more. That's not the long
35:51
game. The long game is maybe that's her speed.
35:56
Before she feels comfortable and opens up, next
35:59
thing you know, she's a motherfucking freak.
36:01
She needs you to invest some time so she feels
36:03
safe with you. Some women, yeah. There's nothing
36:05
wrong with that. They're insecure, and they need
36:08
to see a bunch of effort to make them feel good.
36:10
There's a thousand reasons. And that's exactly
36:12
why I said that the lot made you the long gamer
36:16
and not me. Because I'm so sorry, gentlemen,
36:21
but if it was the shoe was on the other foot
36:24
and... we had to play the long game, I would
36:27
not be getting any dick. Why be holding the mic
36:31
like you're rapping right now? It feels good.
36:36
It feels... in what I'm saying and that makes
36:39
me feel more confident. So that's why I'm doing
36:42
it. Yes, ma 'am. Anyway, to get back on track,
36:45
the reason why I wanted to talk about that is
36:47
because... Your wife is derailing. No, no. We're
36:50
having a good time. We're having a good time.
36:52
And I'm showing you my titties too. Yeah, yeah,
36:54
yeah. Okay. There they are again. My whole thing
37:00
is with swinging, you have to play the long game
37:04
because... It is, from a positive perspective,
37:10
a very restricted and confined space to be safe,
37:17
take your time. And you are going to find some
37:21
people that just want to fuck at the club because
37:23
they flew in from Vegas or wherever city you're
37:26
in to have a good time. And they're from a small
37:29
town. That happens. But, you know, my advice
37:32
and what I've noticed and what I've experienced.
37:36
Because I, you know, I still like swinging. I
37:39
still have friends that are just swingers. I
37:41
still look for the movies that have them. I love
37:44
seeing it. Oh, yeah. Anything. I still listen
37:46
to swingers, straight swinger podcasts. I have
37:49
a prophecy. I think that someday in the future,
37:53
and I've been thinking about this for a very
37:55
long time. And I probably already told you. I
37:58
hope I didn't. I hope you're surprised. But I've
38:01
been thinking about this. Someday we are going
38:04
to be on a reality TV show for people in the
38:09
lifestyle. You and me. I just have this like
38:12
premonition about it. And I'm super excited.
38:15
I know you're probably shitting your pants. Yeah.
38:18
Tell your premonition to add me being excited
38:21
about it because I do not want to. Oh, I'm so
38:24
excited. I'm not like pursuing it or anything.
38:28
Like we would totally just have to get approached
38:30
one day. Don't get me wrong. I got some book
38:33
deal, movie deal things that I want to talk to
38:35
Uncle about, and I think we've talked about it
38:36
a little bit. We won't give any more details
38:39
than that, but that might or might not happen,
38:42
but I don't want my face on anything. I want
38:45
to tell you, can I tell you about my vision?
38:47
What about, yeah, go ahead. Tell us your vision.
38:49
Tell me the vision for it. Okay, so there's one
38:51
couple that is, you know, just, there's two couples,
38:55
actually, because we need two for a full swap,
38:57
right? So there's two couples that... our full
39:00
swap couples. And then there's us, obviously
39:03
our dynamic. And then there's a cuckold couple.
39:08
And then, you know, there's like three bulls
39:15
and like a couple unicorns. So we're all on this
39:19
show, right? And we're just living our lives.
39:22
And it's just like there's always somebody that
39:25
will be dramatic or whatever. You know, they
39:27
just have to have that. But everybody's just.
39:29
That would be you, of course. That would not
39:31
be us. I am calm at all times. I have a personality
39:36
like this. No. So anyways, I just keep thinking
39:41
about it. I think about it all the time, like
39:43
probably every single day about being on this
39:46
reality show. I also had a dream. That somebody
39:51
was recording me and I was just like coming in
39:55
the house and I was like, we won the Powerball.
39:58
Let it be so. From this podcast to God's ears.
40:03
Or like one of our managers does and she says,
40:06
speak it into existence. Unk, would you want
40:12
to be on TV? Would you want your face on TV?
40:14
Would you want to be on like a reality TV show
40:16
about the lifestyle? Not the swingers lifestyle,
40:19
no. No, it has some of everybody on it. No, the
40:23
only type of TV show that I would be on would
40:29
be something, and it would be involving like
40:31
escorting or something like that. Like a TV show
40:35
that was on Showtime a few years ago. I really
40:40
enjoyed that show. Five guys that were based
40:43
out of Las Vegas. And they were all escorts.
40:47
And that was an excellent show. But as far as,
40:51
like, the hot wifing thing or the actual, you
40:55
know, swingers lifestyle, no. Well, you wouldn't
40:59
interact with anyone else on there. You'd just
41:00
be telling your story. That's how reality TV
41:05
shows usually work. Let's pretty much close it
41:08
with this. You know, we have different opinions
41:11
about swinging, but I think it's a great option
41:14
for those. who are starting, especially as a
41:17
couple who are dipping their toes, they don't
41:20
have that itch to rush, it's the best place to
41:22
start. But if you educate yourself or you have
41:25
friends or have other experiences that open those
41:29
up, jump into it. I'm not, you know, recommending
41:32
that you jump into one dynamic or another. I'm
41:35
just saying swinging is to me like the most fundamental
41:39
part of it. It is... It has the least amount
41:44
of complexities, I would say. You know what I
41:47
mean? So, you know, we just kind of wanted to
41:52
share that perspective. And now I think we know
41:54
what our next subject should be. And I think
41:57
we should talk about Unc and escorting. Yes,
42:00
I'm super intrigued by that. Yeah, I think that's
42:02
the thing I want to talk about. I think, oh,
42:04
what is the name of that escort show that you
42:07
said you watched? It was called Gigalos. I've
42:10
watched it already, so watch it. Can we watch
42:12
that? It came on Showtime just a few years ago.
42:17
It might be like Paramount or something, has
42:19
it? Okay. Maybe so. Or we can just try the free
42:23
trial of Showtime with a new email address. Stop
42:28
it. Hey, we have so many businesses and so many
42:33
personalities. There's nothing illegal. Yeah,
42:35
it's not. All right, let's close it out. Yeah,
42:38
you guys, thanks. We just wanted to share our
42:40
opinion on, you know, swinging. So we'll holler
42:44
at y 'all. Our opinion only. And that was a great
42:49
job. You guys did a great job tonight. I learned
42:52
a lot. Excellent show. And here again for Socrates,
42:57
Siren. I'm the Sigma male himself. Saying to
43:01
all the bulls out there, my brothers of the sword,
43:04
wishing y 'all a good night. And to all my beautiful
43:08
ladies, hot wives, unicorns, all my sexual deviants,
43:12
I wish you good morning. Until we meet again,
43:16
good night, y 'all. Bye -bye.