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Phil Micans · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Okay, good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Angels and Timeless.
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I'm sitting here in my beautiful home in northern California today and we finally had
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the rain stop. So we're looking at spring and I'm interviewing someone that I've
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been wanting to meet in person. But he's over there and across the pond
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in London, or close to London, south of London. We'll talk about
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that in a moment. His name is Phil Mickins. Some people say mike
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Ins, right, Phil, I don't mind. I got one of those
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names that goes either way. So we'll say, we'll say Mikeins for your
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family, because I understand that's what your family. That is true. That
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is true, and Mickins for all of us in the United States probably would
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be easier said that way. Um. You know, it's interesting. Phil
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lives south of London, everybody, and he lives in an area that I
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had. I went to school in Oxford a little bit in my graduate studies,
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and I thought I knew that area, and I've traveled all over the
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Great Britain, but I've never heard of this area he lives and called New
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Forest, and it's south of London and apparently it's the closest town is Ringwood,
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is what he told me. But the William the first had in ten
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seventy nine had dedicated land as open space land. And so lucky Phil lives
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all this open space land where there were horses and cattle and whatever. It's
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nature. Nature is surrounding him. I think this is very fitting that a
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man that we're going to talk about and he'll tell us more about himself and
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what he's doing for something that's a groundbreaking in in uh, really coming from
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nature, from you know, the mirror all of our bodies, is living
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in an area that despiss him. So it was that an accident film or
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did you actually go looking for a place to live that suits who you are?
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As a Yeah, I thank you for that introduction, Michelle, It's
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very kind of you. Yeah. Basically, I've realized that I'm a country
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boy at heart. I was born in a country area, and although I
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have lived in a few cities in my life, I've always hankered to live
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in the country. And I've also come to a realization that relaxation is very
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important. When I was a very driven businessman many years ago, I thought
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relaxation was almost a waste of time, you know, while am I doing
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sitting here doing nothing or whatever. And as I get older, I realized
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that if you want a true comprehensive anti aging program, that relaxation, it
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could be meditation, it could be fishing, it could be painting, it
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could be whatever floats your boat is an important part of it. And I
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think it's necessary sometimes to clear our minds. Very often in my life,
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whenever I've had a problem to resolve, I find that if I go away
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from that problem and empty my head of it, that when I come back
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to it, I see the solution very quickly. So I think it helps
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for me. Being in the country, helps to take some of the noise
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out of the brain, if that's a way of putting it. So,
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yeah, I do enjoy living down here. And by the way, I've
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got you know me, I'm a bit of a joke or a bit of
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a raconteur. And you're absolutely right. The New Forest was established by William
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the First in ten seventy nine, and I often get Americans asked me why
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do they still call it the New Forest? And my answer is, well,
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it's only a thousand years old. There you go. Very lucky to
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live that close to London, which is, you know, everyone's favorite city,
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or a lot of people's favorite city, and of course one of our
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greatest allies as Americans to live so close and you have all this beautiful nature
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around you. You can always go into London. I can always get on
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the train and be in central London within two hours and go to the theater,
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or you know, go and have a nice meal in a fancy restaurant
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or whatever it is you want to do, and still go back and have
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a nice quiet time and watch wild ponies walking around. So's it's quite pleasant.
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And I love I love the the artwork behind you. It says we
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can do it. So I hope everybody can see that on the podcast that
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that probably is the best analogy or description of Phil of what he has done.
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So you know, that's a famous American war poster from the Second World
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She was called she was called Rosie the Rivet, Rosie the Rivet, And
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of course it was the idea of getting ladies into the workplace then, right,
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because the men had gone to war and there was factory jobs that need
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to do. But I do love that slogan. What you can't see in
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my study are two other war posters. I have one up here, which
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is an old British one, which says, your courage, your cheerfulness,
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your resolution will bring us victory. Over there is a slight bit of a
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joke, a bit of a tongue in cheap one. It's not a war
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one, I admit. And it's a picture of Christ and it says at
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the top, Jesus is coming, and underneath it says, so look busy
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and that's great. It's really interesting. I think that says a lot about
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you, Phil, and so let's talk about you. I just want to
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give a brief introduction and say that, you know, Phil is a rock
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contours a. He's a renaissance man. But the focus that he's had for
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since nineteen eighties, in both his education and his work, his vocation has
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been an anti aging and of course that means he sings the song that we
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sing at ageless and timeless, which is how do we as human beings find
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the answers to solve not so much that we're going to live forever, but
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that we're going to live better and longer and better. We don't want to
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live longer if we can't live a quality life, So who wants to be
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sick? So who wants to live in any form that's not our fullest potential?
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So that really is the genesis of this podcast, and that is what
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we have over three years now, have tried to accomplish with the guests that
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we've had. So Phil, tell us a little bit about how you got
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to be where you are today. Okay, Well, you're absolutely you're right
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in what you've said, Michelle. I never use the word immortality basically because
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if you look it up in the dictionary, it says it's a very very
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very very very very very very and you have to turn over about nineteen pages
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a very very very very very very long time. And you're absolutely also right
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in saying that what is the point of a long life without decent health?
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And that is the problem we face today when we talk to the nunbelievers,
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as it were, in saying that, you know, human lifespans should be
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a lot longer than they are. Most people turn it down because they say,
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oh, I don't want to have sixty eighty years in a care home.
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That's really well, that's not the point. Nobody wants that. But
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how about being one hundred and forty years old but performing like a decent forty
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year old. How about that? With that? You know, I always
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say everyone, I'm a libertarian at heart. I believe people can have the
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freedom to choose whatever they want to do. If it doesn't impact on anybody
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else's life or liberty, what's the problem. But in that regard, you
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know, some people might think anti aging is the way your skin is,
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the way your hair is, the way whatever. That's fine if that's what
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you think. But to me, there are three fundamental things that we want
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from anti aging, and that is we want to remain lucid, we want
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to remain agile, and above all, we want to remain independent. And
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I think if we've got those three things in our life, we have a
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life. Okay, we can talk, we can move, we can do.
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You know, none of us want to be helped to go to the
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toilet or have a bath or whatever the situation is. So those to me
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other fundamentals that we can that we should achieve, That we can achieve.
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So when I was a young man, when I was a teenager, I
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always thought I was aging faster than my friends you know, there are aspects
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of me that when I looked at my friends, I thought, why do
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I look older than them? And I suppose that was something that stuck in
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my mind. So that was something that got me onto this this course.
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The other thing was having to visit my uncle, who was at the time
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in his eighties in a geriatric ward in the local hospital. Now he wasn't
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a geriatric in the sense that people think of what a geriatric is and what
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I'd like to explain the real meaning of that word in just one second,
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but having he had, in other words, he had all his marbles.
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He was you know, he was there. He could talk to him,
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other conversation, but he had but because of his age, they put him
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into the quote unquote geriatric ward. And I sat next to him for you
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know, played chess with him, you know, whatever the situation was that,
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you know, had long chats with him while he was stuck there for
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a while. And I looked around at the other guys who were in the
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in that ward, and it was a bit horrifying. And and I see,
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I say that with children when I speak to teachers and schools. I
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said, you know, I wish were two things that they would do in
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the four people before children leave school, One is they should go and visit
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a prison, right because you know you don't want to end up here?
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Do you go and show them what it's like. And the other one is
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go and take them to a geriatric ward. And so again, how are
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you going to help us stop this? So so that was it. By
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the way, the correct meaning of the word geriatric, if you ask a
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gerontician, is somebody over the age of sixty five. Ah, all,
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that's all it means. It doesn't mean incapacitated in any way, and rather
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frighteningly pre geriatric is anyone over forty five denition film, Yeah, that's all
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it means. So I think today that would be completely shocking, because you
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know, sixty I was the new thirty five right as we absolutely. I
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mean in my father's day, I think anyone over the age of fifty was
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ended. Now people at the age of fifty are climbing up Mount Everest and
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that, you know, at another time. But for our viewers, what
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I would like you to do is to explain to me, to us,
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all of us, what it is that you are doing today that is so
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earth shattering, that is such an aha moment in life, in our life
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trajectory for health and wellness. And I'm going to throw out the term to
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everyone that maybe not anyone here has heard about yet except a few maybe,
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But it's called peptide bioregulators. So the first that comes to mind is because
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I've been taking some peptides through the anti aging doctors here, but they're not
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peptide bioregulators, so they're different. So that's BPC one fifty seven and sam
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morellen and differ morellin and you know, so these are long terms, but
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they're basically considered their peptides and their breakthroughs in healing and wellness. But what
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is the difference distinguish for us between a peptide bioregulator, which is what you're
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focused on, and just a regular peptide. It's also new and most cases
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unheard of in the medical world today for treatments, certainly, Michelle, I
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mean very quick biochemistry lesson. You have amino acids, okay, the building
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blocks of life, if you will. In facts, there are seven what
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they call essential amino acids. What does the word central, meaning this context,
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it means if you don't get it, you die. So it's pretty
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essential. So you have amino acids, and as amino acids can join with
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one another, and of course that can a mathematician can work out how many
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different positions that those amino acids could have to make a different peptide. As
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soon as two amino acids can join, it becomes a peptide technically a dipeptide,
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okay. But you can keep adding different amino acids onto this chain,
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okay, And as that chain gets longer of amino acids, we can even
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start to change the name. We can go from peptides to proteins and even
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to hormones. So, although there's a slight other play on that, but
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just to give an example, human growth hormone, which I'm sure a lot
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of familiar with, is a very long chain of amino acids. It's one
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hundred and ninety one amino acids. What does that mean, Well, it
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means it's pretty stable, and it means that you can't swallow it, you
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have to inject it. Okay. So coming back down to peptides, what
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are peptide bioregulators, Well, they are very short chains of amino acids.
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This is number one, So in other words, they're two, three,
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or four amino acids. That makes them particularly small. There are not just
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trying to think off top of my head, sammarrellin if I remember correctly,
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is thirty nine amino acids. Okay, I might be slightly out on that,
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but it's around that number, so you get an idea. I'm talking
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about no more than four amino acids. However, it is also true to
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say that not every short chain of amino acids is a bioregulator. Okay,
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And I'll get into explaining what that word means a little bit later on.
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But what we are looking at here is principally this research we're going to talk
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about today what a Soviet military secret. So back in the nineteen eighties they
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started, the Soviets started work on this, okay, and they discovered something
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again which we'll get into, and initially it was reserved for their elite troops,
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their cosmonauts and some of their Olympic teams. Now today, in what
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is modern Russia today, it is on the open market. And it's not
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just Russia, it is also the Russian speaking countries yes, the Ukraine,
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Kazakhstan and places like that. So this is in that. So that The
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amazing thing about this is millions of people have tried them over forty years.
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They have amazing research that's in vitro in other words, in a laboratory,
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in animal experiments and the most amazing human experiments as well. And what they
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found is these bioregulators are gene switches, okay, and they're in food.
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So to me, it explains in a heartbeat the epigenetics of food, right,
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because there are elements in food that are gene switches. And this is
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a principally a Russian discovery. In fact, if I just go over here,
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we I helped write this book here, which is called Peptides in the
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Epigenetic Control of Aging, okay, And this is a scientific book. This
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is the deep dive into Andrey also wrote another book for the lay person's right,
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that's yes, and this one that was written with a doctor friend of
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mine, Marius Kraasis, and this one is called The Peptide Bier Regulator Revolution.
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And we went for one of those old Russian Revolution posters, you know,
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but this one explains to the public what the research is about and why
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it's so fundamental. Okay, and if I may, Michel, And then
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we also published this magazine called Aging Matters. I'm so glad you brought this
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on because I didn't get your BOXX, havn't received your pack your good in
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bag yet you're good in bag. So I'm just so eagerly waiting, and
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I was hoping. I was meant to ask, could you please have those
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books and the magazine to show us? So thank you. Absolutely. I'm
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sorry they weren't with you by today, but they'll probably be with you tomorrow.
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Knowing the way, that is our last one. That was our last
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one, which people can go and download for free, and you can see
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what it's called, I hope hacking aging with peptides. And this is the
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work of Bill Lawrence, which we'll get into about his work. So,
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but Jean, which is in food? That is such a big statement.
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I don't think people I want to start you for that was one second.
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So which food? Which foods the ones that have the potential for biohacking,
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let's say the aging process. Well, I think there's a multitude of foods,
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but the ones that they extract or perhaps the easiest place to extract our
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meat. I'm not saying it's only meats. There are certainly plants as well.
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And of course it also helps to explain why we have to eat probably
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a plethora of foods, because you're not going to get all the peptides in
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one food group or in one source, you know, so this is probably
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helps to explain why you have to eat this. We have to eat a
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fairly wide plethora of different foods. And would it be only grass said that
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you would advocate if there's going to be on meat, Well, yes,
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I mean fire more advanced on this than we are. We're you know,
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we're still trying to make the cows grow fat and being with hormones and corn
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and all the other things that make you fat and healthy. But I think
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in England you have a much better profile of your beef for your cows.
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Well, we had a big scare, don't forget about twenty odd years ago
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with a mad cow thing and things really got changed, and we have a
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thing called from from farm to fork, yeah, to know the complete.
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One thing that worried me some years ago was learning that in some dairy produce,
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for example, that the cows can be given up to two hundred and
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forty odd different antibiotics, and whatever you put into an animal ends up in
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the food right too. Felt the water that you're taking too is just contaminated
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and a lot of times with pharmaceutical drugs from the runoff. So I mean
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when they try and ban, you know, from the food packet, so
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you know what it contains, GMO, and they say no, no,
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we shouldn't have that on there. Why because they know people don't really want
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to buy that if there was a label on the front saying this is a
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GMO product or whatever. But yeah, it's crazy. Of course we all
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should know what is in our food, and every time we detour from nature,
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we lose something, don't we. So you're absolutely right. If you
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can get grass fed cows properly, you know, organic, all that,
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you're doing yourself a favor obviously, And obviously all these peptides are If they're
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bovine, then they are coming from and that's certified by you and your your
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groups. Right. Actually it's actually Danish sauce that you know. It's actually
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a Danish sauce. By the way. These peptides are available in synthetic form,
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so you are a vegetarian. You can go down you can go down
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that route. But yeah, it's the naturals, right, And they're also
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available injectable, although not through what you are abocute because of the shipping.
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Yeah. Well, as soon as you put anything into injectable form, even
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if it was vitamin C, you are making it a drug by definition.
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And so at the moment, the Russians don't wish to export the injectables because
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they're worried about liability, you know, which is understandable. In other words,
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you know, you know how it is in this world. But the
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capsules, and they're also available in a sublingual form as well. But the
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capsules. But the capsules work, this is the thing. They work orally,
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and we can get into that. So there is no need for these
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particular peptides to be injected. Some peptides will have to be injected. Come
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back to samarel in could be injected, although it could also be used as
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an intronasal that's another route. But the nature of intronasals and the nature of
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injections makes them medicines. Well, I have so many questions to ask you.
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So, first of all, what's the difference between an adaptogen and a
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bio a peptide bio regulating regulator. That's a good question, And of course
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adaptogens are mainly plants, right, I'm sure we could we could think of
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some of those plants that seems to have. Of my remembrance of some of
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the adaptogens I looked at, it seems to have a balancing effect on hormones.
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Not necessarily raising one particular hormone or depleting another horn, but a sort
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of balancing effect. Now I'm unaware of the research has been done here or
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not, but it's an interesting thought, isn't it that? Why does these
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certain plants like I don't know, Maca comes to mind for me, and
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there's another one that comes from the Porcous mountains. I'll think of it in
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a minute. And why does it have a rebalancing effect on particular hormones?
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Could it be that they contain some of these peptides. And don't forget you,
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a specific peptide is going to be a specific gene switch. Okay,
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they're very specific, they don't the Russians. The research shows that no one
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peptide has more than about four gene switches, so that's a very small number,
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but it means it becomes target shooting. You get pinpoint accuracy with different
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things. So I don't know if some of these plant adaptogens have some of
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these peptides in could be, but when you get this specific peptide in the
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supplement or in the food, you're activating or silencing because it goes both ways.
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This is part of the bioregulator, part of the word okay, a
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specific gene. So what we're talking about now is I'll give the example I
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always give because it's the easiest one to think about. So we have our
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thyroid gland in our neck, and it's very important gland. I think most
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people know that it has a lot. It has many roles, but one
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of the key roles is it's temperature regulation. It likes to keep us within
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a very specific and very accurate temperature. And unfortunately, a large percentage of
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the adult population for lots of different reasons, have a weak thyroid and they're
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what they called hyper thyroid. The levels a little bit too low. You
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can find out very easily. Yes, you can go and do a blood
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test, but if you wake up in the morning, take your body temperature
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straight away, write it down, do that for about two weeks. Now
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back and look at the number. What's the number that comes up the most.
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Sorry, I'm going to talk celsius. But if you're between thirty six
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point three celsius thirty six point seven celsius. But if you're regularly under thirty
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six point three celsius, you are hypothyroid. You're a little bit weak,
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Okay, and throw the other way high perthyroids. Very sorry interims everywhere.
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That's called the Barnes method. Yeah, it's actually not used as much as
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it probably should be because a lot of cybroid chests are done with the blood.
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With the blood is a crick of time in the moment, as Phil
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is saying, it better to when you wake up. But you know,
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today's thermometers are so fast. There used to be I used to put it
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under my arm and wait, you know whatever amount of type of Today it's
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like a banom second. Then you have your temperature on your forehead, right,
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and yeah we did it COVID right, but thirty six so celsius that
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would be like ninety eight point five. I think it's about three times.
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Yeah, we'll have to get our calculators. That's what my weakness is mess
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brow. The Barnes, of course, wrote a very the gentleman you just
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referred to, wrote perhaps the most famous book in my it's on the shelf
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behind me there somewhere high poth thyroid is in the undiagnosed epidemic. And he
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I think, oh gosh, when when did he write that? Late seventies,
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early eighties. I think at the time he diagnosed that forty something percent
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of the adult population in America was hypothyroid. Now today, unfortunately Broda Barnes
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is no longer with us, But today his pupil is still with us.
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And there's a lovely man by the name of doctor Rick Wilkinson, and he
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lives in Washington State. And I know Rick, and he's a super guy.
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And he was a pupil of Broda. And I asked him in an
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interview that he did some years ago for our magazine, did he think that
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that percentage was still accurate? And he said, no, it was higher.
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Yeah, he said between fifty and sixty percent. Oh, isn't it
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interesting that the obesity radient America is about sixty five or so percent right now,
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maybe even higher according to some doctors. But it seems to parallel the
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metabolism provoking influence of a of a normal thyroid, which if people are hyper
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thyroid, Derek, they do have some disadvantages in weight management because their metabolism
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is much slower. I mean, I don't know you could. You certainly
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can't blame it all on the thyroid. No, But there's another story here,
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Michelle, which I'm sure you're very cognizant with, and that is another
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man called Western Price. He went or I don't know when, was it
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in the twenties or thirties or something. He went out to a lot of
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these native tribes, some of which don't even exist anymore in South America and
28:33
places like that, and he found a correlation between the tribes that because you
28:40
know, it wasn't that long ago, we ate everything right, nothing was
28:42
wasted. You wouldn't waste anything. But now, of course we've become very
28:47
fussy. Oh, I won't eat the dark meat of chicken nerves, never
28:49
mind the testicles of an animal or whatever. But you know, in the
28:52
old days, it wasn't like that. And his discovery was that the tribes
28:57
who ate the necks of animals and therefore consume the thyroid gland. Okay,
29:03
didn't have hyperthyroidism. That's one of the things he noted. Now coming back
29:07
to our peptides again, you know, and it kind of goes hand in
29:11
glove with some of the very early treatments that doctors used to give and still
29:15
do are organ extracts. Okay, that in the twenties, thirties and possibly
29:22
into the forties that was de rigor to have organ effects, and now we've
29:26
moved on ice both from there and in different aspects. But coming back to
29:32
the peptides, if you take the thyroid peptide bioregulator, you're going to activate
29:40
or silence genes that are directly responsible for the manufacture of the thyroid hormones from
29:44
your thyroid gland. So if you have a weak thyroid, it's going to
29:48
activate and actually raise them. But the really crazy thing that is very hard
29:52
for a lot of people to get their heads around is if you're hyper thyroid,
29:56
it will silence the genes and bring it back. It's a normalizing it
30:00
has if you will an adaptagin type, well, there's that's okay. So
30:07
that brings up another question. So you know, I've always been concerned about
30:11
hormones that if you start taking hormones idaga and thyroid and that you're gland itself,
30:17
you're natural producing organ gets lazy and says, hey, I don't need
30:22
to produce this anymore because you know, she, she or he is giving
30:26
it to me in a in a you know, what do you call exterior
30:30
or external dus? That is the big word. Um, if you're taking
30:40
hormones, this is maybe a little complicated, But how do you regulate the
30:45
peptis using the peptis to get the balance and the normalizing effect if you're already
30:52
on those hormones? Okay, slightly. You know, there obviously could be
30:57
contradications if people are on potent hormone and or certain drugs, of course that
31:03
would affect hormonal balances. The first thing that's worth mentioning about the pepti bioregulators
31:08
is that they've been dosed millions of times in Russia over decades and there have
31:15
been no serious side effects reported. Okay, that's so. I can't speak
31:21
for every single individual and what they were using, but we do have some
31:25
experiences beyond that. Firstly, let me caveat this with by saying hormones are
31:30
very powerful tools obviously you know the word hormone meaning chemical messenger, but you
31:37
know the role so and it's a complicated business. Now you've got brilliant endochronologists
31:45
out there, like Terry Hertog from Belgium or Jonathan Wright from the United States,
31:52
and they've written the most amazing books, they give the most amazing lectures,
31:56
and if anyone wants to really get into this, I do recommend both
32:00
to those gentlemen. But you soon becomes apparent that when you're trying to look
32:06
at and balance what could be over four hundred different hormones in the human body,
32:12
there's a handful of people on the planet who can do it um so.
32:15
And of course, when you take a hormone, let's take dha as
32:19
the example, it can do a multitude of different things. A couple of
32:25
things I know about dhaum. I could tell you a funny story here.
32:31
I don't know you want. Maybe you want to read it out, but
32:34
it is a true story. Do you want a funny story or not?
32:37
If we need a funny story, okay, I like to have a laugh.
32:42
I think we should have a laugh. It was nineteen ninety five and
32:50
I went to my first a four M in Las Vegas, which a for
32:54
M for anyone doesn't know, is the American cadebant Aging Medicine. Very good
32:59
organization, very prominent in the field, and today they have a very big
33:02
following, and rightly so. And at the time I was working with a
33:07
company called Life Enhancement and actually we were the first company in the United States
33:14
to bring DHA to the market because that was the year that the Dietary Health
33:21
and Supplement Act was passed that allowed and that was due to the work of
33:25
Dirk Pearson and Sandy Shaw and back in the day, yeah, Adil later
33:36
all great people, all great people, and so we were and we were
33:40
unbelievably busy because DHA in nineteen ninety five was the buzzword, okay. And
33:46
when I came back to England, I was approached by some Harley Street doctors,
33:51
and Harley Street in London is the premier private medicine in the UK.
33:57
And they said to me, Phil, they said, we heard this buzz
34:00
from America about DHA. Can we use it here in England? So I
34:04
went back to the books and I reported back to them and I said,
34:07
you, well, you're not going to believe this, and they said what
34:10
I said, Dha was approved for use in the UK in nineteen fifty six.
34:17
Wow, and no one knew. And nobody knew, and they all
34:21
looked at each other and they said, what on earth were we using it
34:25
for in the fifties. I don't know what. I'm gonna have to go
34:29
back and have a look. And when I found out what it had been
34:31
approved for, first I was shocked, and that secondly I kind of started
34:38
laughing. But you have to remember one thing and I'll explain it at the
34:43
end here. Believe it or not, it was approved. The HPA was
34:46
approved in the UK in the fifties. Who for for young boys who were
34:53
showing signs of homosexuality? Oh, that would be probably a criminal offense.
35:02
However, you have to remember that in the UK it was illegal to be
35:07
a homosexual until about nineteen sixty five. Right, Well, how the world
35:12
has changed the world has changed? Why did Why would that be the case.
35:16
Well, there is some evidence that dha will convert to testosterone. However,
35:23
for my knowledge, it works better in women than it does in men.
35:30
And it has to be Dha sulfate and not seven keto dha seven da
35:36
is a final metabolite and it won't convert testosterone that hermogenesis, whereas the regular
35:43
sulfate one is for from the adrenal glands and helps to stimulate gestosterone, like
35:47
you say, has alleged anyway. So but of course, if you just
35:52
take DHA by itself, I think any hormone program you should be checking yourself.
36:00
You should be on some kind of monitoring program. It depends on multitude
36:05
of different factors because you're going to imbalance. You know, the HIA is
36:09
produced by the adrenal blands, and the adrenal blands produced quite a few different
36:14
hormones, so you could end up I mean one thing, by pushing up
36:17
the HA, you lower your cortisol. Now that might be a good thing
36:22
in some cases, because cortisol is one of the few hormones as we get
36:27
older that tends to go up. Most hormones go down right well, for
36:30
everyone that's listening to. Cortisol is a stress hormone and it also puts on
36:36
weight. So there we go back to our sixty five percent and the stress
36:39
that people are during after you know, the last few years particularly and the
36:44
fact that cortisol has been increasing and you mentioned that Terry Hirtog actually gives his
36:50
patience cortisol, which I was I was quite surprised. Yet, why would
36:53
you want to give somebody something that's makes some game weight and everything imbalance?
37:00
Right? Everything, I mean everything I've ever seen. There's two curves.
37:02
It's either a U shape curve or a bell shaped curve, and whatever it
37:07
is, you want to be in the middle. Because too much water,
37:10
you drink too little water, we know what that that's damaging. You drink
37:15
too much water, it can be damaging, right, you always want to
37:16
be in the middle on these birds. It seems to me like that anyway.
37:22
So I know Tiery and he's shocked a lot of doctors over the years.
37:27
But there are people who are low cortisol, and if you give them
37:30
a little bit of cortisol like hydrocortisone, they get a lot of energy,
37:35
they get a lot of focus, your motivation, right, Well, I
37:40
don't want I don't want to get off track. And I love your story
37:43
and thank you for that. It just shows us how amazingly different the world
37:47
is in a short period of sixty years or so. What I want to
37:52
these are some of the questions that are like burning in me right now to
37:55
ask you, So, why is it that the Russian would now allow these
38:02
very precious peptides that have helped their population be kind of a cutting edge ahead?
38:08
Why are they allowing them to become mainstream and be exported to particularly to
38:15
the United States. Of course it comes through in your case. They come
38:21
through you, but you're dealing with distributors in the United States that bring them
38:25
to us. So why do you First, how do you know their efficacy
38:30
that you're getting exactly what they've been generating in their country. And two,
38:36
why are they doing it? Why are they allowing us to share in some
38:38
of this knowledge and the benefits? Okay, I'll answer the first point about
38:45
efficacy. Firstly, they're coming directly from the institute that did all the research.
38:52
I'm working directly with the Saint Petersburg Institute for Biogerontology. I know Professor
38:59
Cabins and who is the lead researcher, and i know quite a few of
39:02
his staff. I've been over there, they've been over here. You know,
39:07
we've met each other, so I've helped write things, and so I've
39:09
got a good working relationship with them. It's always been the prerogative of ISS
39:15
to work with the original people wherever we can, because we know the devil
39:20
is in the detail, right. You know, you might say, well,
39:22
here, I've got exactly the same things, have you? Have you
39:25
really? You know there may be subtle differences, but this one works well
39:31
and this one doesn't work so well. So we work directly with the institute,
39:37
so I know that that we're getting the original materials. This has also
39:43
been proven outside of Russia. I'd like to get into the work of doctor
39:45
Bill Lawrence when you're ready, But to ask to answer your your your second
39:51
point, which was, sorry, why is the Kremlin? Thank you?
40:00
Thank you beneficiaries of their very practice discovery? Yeah, I think two reasons,
40:08
Michelle. Firstly, Russia is a different place today. It's not the
40:13
Soviet Union, and this has now become a commercial entity, so it's bringing
40:19
money into Russia, okay, or the Russian countries, so that has happened.
40:24
And thirdly, or secondly, whichever you look at this. In my
40:29
working career, whenever I've heard anyone say that is a so and so military
40:34
secret, I've always gone, I want to listen twice as hard, because
40:42
whichever country it is on the planet. The military are able to do things
40:46
that cannot be done in the public domain. They are a separate entity.
40:52
You don't think that the American military is actually governed by the FDA, do
40:57
Okay not certainly not in their black ops and all the rest of it.
41:01
And every country over the years has done something with shall we call them supplements.
41:09
The most famous one was during the Second World War. One of the
41:15
reasons, and I've read about this, I have a kind of interest in
41:17
it. My father was in the Second World War. The blitz Greek you
41:22
know, when when the German tanks and planes, you know, they took
41:27
France in six weeks, unheard of. Umberlance went straight through Brance and Belgium
41:31
and all the rest of it in six weeks. How did they do that?
41:36
Was it simply? You know, with using the armor and the planes.
41:39
All the troops were on amphetamins. They were all on amphetamins. So
41:47
they had this incredible energy. You know, they were working out twenty hours
41:52
a day day after. It's actually been said by some historians, had they
41:58
have been held up another two or three weeks, they would have been exhausted.
42:02
Because there's a big downside to amphetamines. Right, so maybe have been
42:07
completely changed had they have been delayed by two or three weeks. So during
42:13
the Korean Wars and the Vietnam Wars, it's quite well known that American fighter
42:16
pilots were using different babtuos and fetamins and things, so they were focused.
42:23
Motor Finel or medaphanel as some people call it, is an agoric drug that
42:30
stimulates noaur adrenaline and the brain. It's a breakthrough in the treatment of narcolepsy,
42:37
which is sleeping in the daytime and catapa, which is sudden fatigue.
42:42
Talk to most people about that as a smart drug and at oh wow,
42:45
that's an incredible one. Right. That was a French military secret that was
42:51
originally designed by LaFond Laboratories for the French Foreign Legion. Okay, so there
42:58
are many of these things. So back, sorry to be a bit long
43:00
winded about this, but coming back to why the Russians have released it now?
43:06
When you think about it, this was their secret in the nineteen eighties
43:09
and the nineteen nineties. What's their secret now? It's true things have moved
43:16
on, right. I think they've released this now knowing that they've got something
43:23
else except not to get political, but the performance thus far of their troops
43:31
in Ukraine wouldn't under score that there's some secrets that they have that's causing them
43:37
to do what the blitzery did for the Nazis, you know. So anyway,
43:43
I don't want to get off that we're getting right out of time,
43:46
but let's because I know I have to have you back, so because we
43:51
need to dive deep into peptide peptide bioregulators and what they can do for all
43:59
of us, because that's the meat of the bone here that we have to
44:04
explore. But I knew with you that this could be, you know,
44:07
a several hour discussion and we only have fifteen minutes. So let's cut to
44:13
the chase. If you could just tell us if someone wants to try bo
44:19
peptide bioregulators, what would be And just recognizing everyone's biochemistry is different and every
44:24
some people have issues that they have to address, but if you were giving
44:28
a kind of a blanket suggestion to someone who wanted to put a big toe
44:34
in the water, what would be the ones that they should try first?
44:38
Okay, sure, answer if you have a weak point and you know you
44:44
have a weak point addressed a weak point. You know, if you have
44:47
a car and you have flat tires, what are you going to do?
44:51
Change your oil? Because you can't. You can't get the rest of it
44:53
going if you don't give The chain is only as strong as the weakest leak
45:00
exactly. So that's one and there are twenty one different So if it's the
45:02
liver, the kidney, the thyroid, the thymus, you know, the
45:06
list is long. That's one side. However, if we're then going to
45:10
say no, I'm a for my age, I'm a healthy individual, no
45:15
medical issues, but I'm really interested in living well, living long, etc.
45:21
You're a real antiaga longevity enthusiasts, whatever you want to call it.
45:24
Then I think there are three peptides that are the top of the tree,
45:29
and I can explain, hopefully if we've got another couple of minutes to explain
45:32
why I think they're at the top of the tree. First and foremost the
45:36
pineal peptide, because the pineal is a very special gland in the center of
45:40
our brains, and we could go off on that. I've done a lot
45:45
of work on the pineal and on melotonian that comes from the pioneer, etc.
45:49
But as a great Italian doctor once told me, doctor Walter Pierre Poorly,
45:53
the pineal gland is the conductor of the endocrime orchestra. And as he
46:00
said, if you have an orchestra and you have no conductor, what do
46:04
you make. You make noise. You have an orchestra with a conductor,
46:07
you make music. So the control of the pineal through melotoni, So the
46:12
pineal peptide has a number of impacts, including improving our own endogenous production of
46:19
melatonin, but also through the work primarily of doctor Bill Lawrence in Atlanta,
46:25
is patients are extending the length of their telemeres, which is very fundamental in
46:30
anti aging. On top of that, that's number one, Okay, I'm
46:36
going to put that at number one. Two other peptides that have a lot
46:39
of synergy with this thing. If somebody wants to go up to the next
46:44
level, the next one would be the thymus gland, because by supporting the
46:49
thiamus gland hearing our chest, we're going to really improve our immunity. Okay,
46:55
we've all been aware of that in the last couple of years. And
46:59
the third one, and when I interviewed Professor Cavinson some years ago and said,
47:04
which agents are synergistic, in other words, make the whole bigger,
47:07
you know, that make a bigger impact. The one that came up every
47:13
time was the blood vessel peptide. And when you think about it's pretty obvious.
47:16
If you're going to improve your blood flow, you're going to improve the
47:20
supply of nutrition to your cells, you're going to improve the toxic removal from
47:23
the cells. But it was those three principles peptides that took part in some
47:31
of the biggest human trials you've ever heard of in your life that were conducted
47:37
in the Soviet Union. And if you want to get into that, and
47:39
we have time, I'll get into that. So those are the three.
47:44
Unless you've got a weak point, unless your thyroid's bad or your drenals are
47:47
glad, then go for that. But if you want this overall protection in
47:52
the pyramid, those three well, unfortunately we have for another time. However,
47:59
I'm going to make a point to have you back. I know you
48:01
have to go to the Bahamas, and I do want to talk in our
48:05
next session about how the synergy between stem cells because I know that's what you're
48:09
going you're going to be in the Bahama's dealing with that, but stem cells
48:14
synergistically with peptype bioregulators and how the two can work together. As as the
48:21
arsenal for the cutting edge of anti aging today. And then the telomeres.
48:25
We want to get into that because a lot of people don't know what telomeres
48:29
do and why they're so important to anti aging. So can you just keep
48:35
that in the you know on our list and we'll get throwback. And then
48:38
as far as doctor Bill Lawrence, I'm going I asked you this morning if
48:43
I could have his contact. I think it's going to be good for everyone
48:46
to know of a US doctor who is doing exactly what you're you know,
48:52
you're describing today in the very preliminary way that we're going to get deeper into.
48:58
So my future podcast I will try to interview him as well. And
49:04
it's fine. You know, some people could probably be treated by him by
49:07
zoom, right, they don't have to, can't. I can't speak for
49:12
there. He's a very private man, but I'm sure he will talk to
49:15
you. But the interesting thing is there's over one hundred and twenty people in
49:20
his trial now, and most of them are medical doctors. So actually a
49:25
lot of these patients are going to end up being doctors, mostly American,
49:31
being trained in this technology. So there's a beginning now of this information.
49:38
By the way, Michelle, I must, if you don't mind, mentioned
49:43
one more thing I think is going to be very important and again I'm sure
49:46
doctor Lawrence will talk about it as well, and that is they are improving
49:52
people's DNA methylation right now, that could be really at the top of the
49:58
tree. Yes, I forgot to mention that. You know, because your
50:01
microbioon and your your gut brain access and the methylation which occurs from your genes,
50:08
these are all part of the whole new frontier in anti aging. So
50:15
m Phil before we go, tell us your website and how people who are
50:22
curious to know more can find out more. I know they can go on
50:27
the Aging Matters magazine, right, yeah, absolutely, if they want to
50:32
go and see our magazines and download them free of charge, it's Aging dash
50:37
Matters dot com. And by the way, you can spell aging the British
50:40
way with an E. Always help, it's not a problem, okay for
50:45
being gnoble. My older brother who's very British always likes to wind me up
50:52
when I see him and says to me, are you still doing the anti
50:54
agging? But that's another that's another thing. That's that's one. I'm going
51:00
to believe you because I know you're going to put a link in your in
51:05
your notes there, Michelle. So I leave guys to go and look for
51:07
it. But if they use that stare link that is going to be provided
51:12
by the team, well, using your code, we'll get off their first
51:16
order. Thank you for mentioning that as well, because that's important. We
51:22
do have a Michelle Recommends on my website which we encourage people to go to.
51:28
Yes, there will be a link there for your contact to your team,
51:34
So if both want to save some money, that's the place to go.
51:37
If they just want to do a deep dive into information, then go
51:40
to anti aging dash Systems dot com and on there you'll see articles with references,
51:46
you'll see videos, podcast on many subjects. It's not just speptides.
51:52
Just I understand that. Okay, well we've come to a very exciting end,
51:58
but it's just too short. I know that I knew it would happen
52:01
because you're just so fascinating and so much to share. And there's so much
52:07
happening in this world that you know, that hundred and forty number you mentioned
52:09
and living in as as if you are half of that each it's realizable.
52:15
And you know now with artificial intelligence and the new frontier that that's you know,
52:21
both positive and negative, but it's opening up a lot in the health
52:24
world. So thank you so much for being with us today, Phil,
52:30
and I wish you well in that trip. And what what I'd like to
52:34
do is when you get back and you're home again to after that conference,
52:39
you'll have so much to share with me, I know with our viewers,
52:44
so we'll set up another time to be together. So thank you again for
52:47
a wonderful talk today and safe travels. Thank you very much, Michelle,
52:53
and hope folks you enjoy it and hope to see you against it. Thank
52:58
you, bye bye bye,