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Apocalyptic Insights: Sci-Fi and Horror Through a Theological Lens - The Whole Church Podcast · Systematic Geekology

0:41
Second
0:42
Timothy
0:42
3:1:7
0:43
in
0:43
the
0:44
new
0:44
American
0:44
Standard
0:44
Bible.
0:45
But
0:45
realize
0:45
this,
0:46
that
0:46
in
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the
0:46
last
0:46
days
0:47
difficult
0:47
times
0:47
will
0:48
come
0:48
for
0:48
men
0:48
will
0:48
be
0:48
lovers
0:49
of
0:49
self,
0:49
lovers
0:50
of
0:50
money,
0:50
boastful,
0:51
arrogant,
0:51
revilers,
0:52
disobedient
0:52
to
0:53
parents,
0:53
ungrateful,
0:54
unholy,
0:55
unloving,
0:55
irreconcilable,
0:56
malicious
0:57
gossips
0:58
without
0:58
self
0:59
control,
0:59
brutal
0:59
haters
1:00
of
1:00
good,
1:00
treacherous,
1:01
reckless,
1:01
conceited,
1:02
lovers
1:02
of
1:02
pleasure
1:03
rather
1:03
than
1:03
lovers
1:03
of
1:03
God,
1:04
holding
1:04
to
1:05
a
1:05
form
1:05
of
1:05
godliness,
1:06
although
1:06
they
1:07
have
1:07
denied
1:07
its
1:07
power.
1:08
Avoid
1:08
such
1:09
men
1:09
as
1:09
these,
1:09
for
1:10
among
1:10
them
1:10
are
1:11
those
1:11
who
1:11
enter
1:11
into
1:12
households
1:12
and
1:12
captivate
1:13
weak
1:13
women,
1:14
weighed
1:15
down
1:15
with
1:15
sins,
1:15
led
1:16
on
1:16
by
1:17
various
1:17
impulses,
1:18
always
1:18
learning
1:19
and
1:19
never
1:20
able
1:20
to
1:20
come
1:21
to
1:21
the
1:21
knowledge
1:21
of
1:21
the
1:21
truth.
1:22
In
1:22
this
1:22
pericope
1:23
of
1:23
scripture,
1:23
a
1:24
wild
1:24
pericope
1:25
of
1:25
scripture.
1:26
St.
1:26
Paul
1:26
just
1:26
finished
1:27
telling
1:27
Timothy
1:28
how
1:28
different
1:28
people
1:29
or
1:29
different
1:29
vessels
1:30
are
1:30
going
1:30
to
1:30
be
1:30
sanctified
1:30
for
1:31
use
1:31
by
1:31
God.
1:32
After
1:32
this
1:32
section,
1:32
he
1:32
goes
1:33
on
1:33
to
1:33
tell
1:33
Timothy
1:33
about
1:33
the
1:34
importance
1:34
of
1:34
staying
1:34
strong,
1:35
preaching
1:35
the
1:35
gospel
1:35
to
1:36
everyone.
1:37
Pastor
1:38
Will
1:38
Rose,
1:39
how
1:39
might
1:39
this
1:39
morning
1:40
about
1:40
the
1:40
last
1:40
days
1:41
tie
1:42
into
1:42
these
1:43
ideas
1:43
of
1:43
who
1:44
God's
1:44
going
1:44
to
1:44
use
1:46
and
1:46
the
1:46
need
1:46
to
1:47
preach
1:47
the
1:47
gospel
1:47
to
1:47
everyone?
1:48
Yeah,
1:48
I
1:48
guess
1:49
when
1:49
I
1:49
hear
1:49
this
1:49
passage,
1:50
a
1:50
couple
1:50
things
1:50
come
1:51
to
1:51
mind.
1:51
One
1:51
is
1:51
like,
1:52
it's
1:52
Timothy.
1:53
So
1:53
did
1:54
Paul
1:54
write
1:54
this?
1:54
Was
1:55
it
1:55
somebody
1:55
else?
1:56
I
1:56
don't
1:56
know.
1:57
And
1:57
then
1:58
the
1:58
translation
1:59
where
1:59
just
1:59
men
2:00
or
2:00
can
2:00
we
2:01
use,
2:01
like,
2:01
inclusive
2:02
language?
2:02
There.
2:02
There's
2:03
a
2:03
couple
2:03
thoughts
2:03
come
2:03
to
2:03
mind.
2:04
But
2:04
what
2:05
I
2:05
also
2:06
think
2:07
about
2:07
how
2:07
every
2:07
generation
2:08
goes
2:08
through
2:09
challenging
2:09
and
2:10
difficult
2:10
times.
2:10
And
2:11
so,
2:11
of
2:11
course,
2:12
this
2:12
particular
2:13
epistle
2:14
written
2:14
to
2:14
a
2:15
community,
2:16
they're
2:16
thinking
2:16
that
2:17
they're
2:17
in
2:17
the
2:17
last
2:18
times.
2:18
This
2:19
is
2:19
it.
2:19
Look
2:20
at
2:20
all
2:20
that's
2:20
going
2:20
around
2:20
us,
2:21
the
2:21
debauchery,
2:22
the
2:22
challenges,
2:22
the.
2:23
The
2:24
hard
2:24
times
2:24
that
2:24
are
2:24
around
2:24
them.
2:25
They're
2:25
like,
2:25
this
2:25
is
2:25
the
2:25
last
2:25
time.
2:25
So
2:25
I
2:26
think
2:26
every
2:26
generation
2:26
has
2:27
its
2:27
challenges
2:27
and
2:27
thinks
2:28
that
2:28
they're
2:28
in
2:28
the
2:28
last
2:29
times.
2:29
But
2:29
yeah,
2:30
you
2:30
can
2:30
take
2:30
this
2:30
to
2:31
heart
2:31
and
2:31
be
2:31
like,
2:31
yeah,
2:32
this
2:32
is
2:32
a
2:32
cautionary
2:32
tale
2:33
to,
2:33
to
2:33
stay
2:34
focused
2:34
on
2:34
what
2:34
is
2:34
true
2:35
and
2:35
what
2:35
is
2:35
Christ
2:35
like,
2:36
rather
2:37
than
2:37
the
2:38
world's
2:38
problems
2:38
around
2:39
you.
2:39
Yeah,
2:40
yeah,
2:40
like
2:40
that.
2:46
Hey,
2:46
guys,
2:46
welcome
2:47
to
2:47
the
2:47
Whole
2:48
Church
2:49
podcast,
2:50
possibly
2:50
your
2:51
favorite
2:51
church
2:51
unity
2:51
podcast.
2:52
It's
2:52
cool
2:52
if
2:52
it's
2:53
not.
2:53
We
2:53
really
2:53
don't
2:54
hold
2:54
grudges
2:54
usually.
2:56
I
2:56
am
2:56
Joshua
2:57
Nol,
2:58
here
2:58
to
2:59
introduce
3:00
everyone.
3:01
That's
3:01
basically
3:01
it.
3:02
I'm
3:03
here
3:03
with
3:04
the
3:06
God
3:06
of
3:06
Thunders,
3:07
God
3:08
of
3:08
Mike
3:09
Thor,
3:09
sits
3:09
home
3:10
and
3:10
reads
3:10
podcast,
3:11
reads,
3:11
listens
3:12
to
3:12
podcasts
3:12
about
3:13
the
3:13
one
3:13
and
3:13
only
3:13
Ryan
3:14
does.
3:15
How's
3:15
it
3:15
going,
3:15
Ryan?
3:17
It's
3:17
going
3:17
good,
3:18
man.
3:18
I
3:18
love
3:18
the
3:19
idea
3:19
of
3:19
a
3:19
fictional
3:20
character
3:20
listening
3:21
to
3:21
me
3:21
talk
3:21
about
3:21
that.
3:22
It's
3:22
my
3:22
favorite.
3:23
Yeah,
3:24
yeah,
3:25
it's.
3:26
No,
3:27
that
3:28
idea
3:28
in
3:28
and
3:29
of
3:29
itself
3:29
is
3:29
thrilling.
3:30
And
3:30
I
3:30
appreciate
3:31
you
3:31
for
3:31
throwing
3:32
it
3:32
out
3:32
there
3:32
at
3:32
all.
3:33
I
3:33
appreciate
3:33
you
3:34
for
3:34
being
3:34
here.
3:34
And
3:34
I
3:35
appreciate
3:35
the
3:35
one
3:36
and
3:36
only
3:36
Magic
3:36
Head,
3:37
aspiring
3:38
beach
3:38
bum,
3:39
but
3:39
is
3:39
too
3:39
busy
3:40
pastoring.
3:40
The
3:41
one
3:41
and
3:41
only,
3:41
our
3:42
favorite
3:42
pastor,
3:43
Will
3:43
Rose.
3:44
How's
3:44
this
3:44
going?
3:46
Just
3:46
got
3:46
out
3:46
of
3:46
the
3:46
water.
3:47
Aloha.
3:48
Yeah,
3:48
yeah,
3:49
yeah,
3:49
yeah.
3:50
Also
3:50
just
3:50
got
3:50
back
3:50
from
3:50
Hawaii,
3:51
which
3:51
is
3:51
super
3:51
cool.
3:52
We're
3:52
also
3:53
here
3:53
with
3:55
one
3:55
of
3:55
my
3:55
favorite
3:55
scholars,
3:56
one
3:56
of
3:56
my
3:56
favorite
3:56
theologies
3:57
that
3:57
involve
3:58
theologies
3:58
podcast
3:59
that
3:59
involves
3:59
theology
4:00
and
4:00
drinking,
4:01
which
4:01
I've
4:01
clearly
4:02
started
4:02
already
4:02
because
4:02
I
4:03
can't
4:03
get
4:03
words
4:03
straight.
4:04
The
4:04
one
4:04
and
4:04
only
4:04
Dr.
4:05
Leah
4:05
Robinson.
4:06
How's
4:06
it
4:06
going?
4:07
It's
4:08
going
4:08
great.
4:09
Thank
4:09
you
4:09
for
4:09
having
4:10
me.
4:10
Thank
4:11
you
4:11
so
4:12
much
4:12
for
4:12
joining
4:12
us.
4:12
Absolutely.
4:13
And
4:13
Will,
4:14
women
4:14
can't
4:15
be
4:15
used
4:16
because
4:16
we're
4:16
two
4:17
weak
4:17
willeds.
4:18
I
4:18
know.
4:23
Brutal.
4:26
Second
4:26
Timothy.
4:26
Anytime
4:27
Stewart
4:27
tells
4:27
me
4:28
to
4:28
go
4:28
to
4:28
work,
4:28
I'm
4:29
just
4:29
gonna
4:29
say
4:29
I'm
4:29
too
4:29
weak
4:30
willed.
4:30
I
4:30
can't
4:31
do
4:31
it.
4:32
Don't
4:32
put
4:32
me
4:32
in
4:32
public.
4:33
Don't
4:34
put
4:34
me
4:34
in
4:34
public.
4:34
Too
4:35
weak.
4:37
Will
4:37
Rose
4:38
is
4:38
the
4:38
pastor
4:38
of
4:39
Holy
4:39
Trinity
4:40
Lutheran
4:40
Church
4:41
in
4:41
Chapel
4:42
Hill,
4:42
North
4:42
Carolina.
4:42
Leah
4:43
Robinson
4:44
is
4:44
the
4:44
author
4:44
of
4:45
a
4:45
couple
4:45
different
4:45
theology
4:46
books.
4:46
We
4:46
have
4:46
Bad
4:47
Theology,
4:47
Oppression
4:47
in
4:47
the
4:48
Name
4:48
of
4:48
God,
4:48
as
4:48
well
4:48
as
4:48
Bad
4:49
Theology
4:49
in
4:49
a
4:50
Time
4:50
of
4:50
COVID
4:51
She's
4:51
also
4:51
a
4:51
professor
4:52
of
4:52
practical
4:52
theology
4:54
and
4:54
other
4:54
stuff.
4:54
Lots
4:55
of
4:55
theology
4:55
stuff
4:56
with
4:56
Leah.
4:57
Also,
4:57
Ryan
4:58
does
4:58
is
4:58
the
4:59
host
4:59
of
5:00
across
5:00
the
5:00
Bifrost,
5:01
everybody's
5:02
favorite
5:02
Marvel
5:03
Thor
5:03
Comics
5:04
podcast.
5:05
If
5:05
you
5:05
want
5:05
to
5:05
know
5:06
more
5:06
about
5:06
Marvel's
5:07
Thor,
5:08
go
5:08
over
5:08
there.
5:08
Check
5:08
it
5:08
out.
5:09
The
5:09
links
5:09
to
5:09
the
5:10
books
5:10
and
5:10
this
5:10
podcast
5:11
can
5:11
be
5:11
down
5:11
below.
5:11
Pastor
5:11
Will,
5:12
he's
5:12
part
5:12
of
5:13
the
5:13
homily
5:14
that's
5:14
a
5:14
podcast.
5:15
It's
5:15
just
5:15
his
5:15
homily.
5:16
I
5:16
say
5:16
each
5:17
week.
5:17
Not
5:17
really.
5:18
And
5:18
he's
5:19
also
5:19
one
5:19
of
5:19
the
5:19
hosts
5:19
of
5:19
Systematic
5:20
Geekology,
5:21
so
5:21
be
5:21
sure
5:21
to
5:21
check
5:21
all
5:22
of
5:22
that
5:22
out
5:22
in
5:22
the
5:22
show
5:22
notes
5:23
as
5:23
well.
5:24
And
5:24
one
5:25
who's
5:25
never
5:25
been
5:25
accused
5:25
of
5:26
weak,
5:26
the
5:27
one
5:27
who,
5:27
if
5:28
you're
5:28
listening
5:28
on
5:28
YouTube,
5:28
you
5:29
might
5:29
understand
5:29
this
5:29
a
5:29
little
5:29
bit
5:30
more.
5:30
Who
5:30
is
5:30
the
5:30
Lord
5:31
of
5:31
time,
5:31
of
5:32
temporal
5:32
space,
5:32
the
5:32
one
5:33
whom
5:33
considers
5:34
Doctor
5:34
who
5:35
a
5:35
bad
5:35
mockery
5:36
of
5:36
his
5:36
presence.
5:37
Your
5:38
favorite
5:38
podcast
5:39
host,
5:39
TJ
5:40
Tabir,
5:40
is
5:40
one
5:40
Blackwell.
5:41
How's
5:41
it
5:41
going?
5:41
Good.
5:42
Yeah.
5:43
And
5:43
of
5:44
course
5:44
we're
5:44
here.
5:44
We
5:45
have
5:45
a
5:45
lot
5:45
of
5:45
people.
5:45
We
5:45
have
5:46
a
5:46
lot
5:46
of
5:46
fun
5:46
today.
5:46
We're
5:47
already
5:47
Goofing
5:47
off
5:47
and
5:48
having
5:48
fun.
5:48
And
5:49
we're
5:49
here
5:49
to
5:49
talk
5:49
about
5:51
there's
5:51
something
5:51
weird
5:51
for
5:52
this
5:52
podcast,
5:52
for
5:52
the
5:52
whole
5:53
church
5:53
podcast.
5:53
It's
5:53
kind
5:53
of
5:53
weird,
5:54
but
5:54
we're
5:54
going
5:54
to
5:54
talk
5:54
about
5:54
sci
5:55
fi,
5:55
we're
5:55
going
5:55
to
5:55
talk
5:55
about
5:55
horror
5:56
and
5:56
we're
5:56
going
5:57
to
5:57
talk
5:57
about
5:57
how
5:57
these
5:58
things
5:58
relate
5:58
to
5:59
eschatology
6:00
and
6:00
the
6:00
Bible's
6:01
version
6:01
of
6:01
end
6:01
times
6:02
and
6:03
you
6:03
know,
6:04
apocalyptic
6:04
literature
6:05
kind
6:05
of
6:05
stuff.
6:05
It's
6:06
going
6:06
to
6:06
be
6:06
a
6:06
lot
6:06
of
6:06
fun.
6:06
The
6:06
main
6:06
reason
6:06
we
6:07
are
6:07
doing
6:07
this
6:07
is
6:07
because
6:07
there
6:08
are
6:08
a
6:08
lot
6:08
of
6:08
connections
6:09
to
6:09
why
6:10
these
6:10
type
6:10
of
6:10
stories
6:10
are
6:11
told
6:11
and
6:12
the
6:12
kind
6:12
of
6:12
disagreements
6:13
fans
6:13
have
6:15
that
6:15
are
6:15
really
6:15
similar
6:15
to
6:16
the
6:16
kind
6:16
of
6:16
disagreement
6:16
some
6:17
scholars
6:17
have
6:17
around
6:18
the
6:18
same
6:18
kind
6:19
of
6:19
stuff.
6:19
So
6:20
we're
6:20
going
6:20
to
6:20
get
6:20
into
6:20
that.
6:20
We're
6:21
going
6:21
to
6:21
have
6:21
a
6:21
lot
6:21
of
6:21
fun
6:21
with
6:21
it.
6:22
And
6:23
you
6:23
know,
6:23
this
6:23
is
6:23
probably
6:23
going
6:23
to
6:23
be
6:23
cross
6:23
posted
6:24
to
6:24
Systematic
6:24
Ecology
6:25
and
6:25
we'll
6:25
talk
6:25
a
6:25
lot
6:25
about
6:25
how
6:26
theology
6:26
beer
6:26
camp,
6:27
because
6:27
this
6:27
is
6:27
going
6:27
to
6:27
be
6:27
really
6:28
similar
6:28
to
6:28
some
6:28
of
6:28
the
6:29
stuff
6:29
we
6:29
do
6:29
over
6:29
there.
6:29
It's
6:30
going
6:30
to
6:30
be
6:30
a
6:30
fun
6:30
time.
6:31
Yeah.
6:31
Yeah.
6:32
So
6:32
if
6:32
you're
6:32
interested
6:32
in
6:33
us
6:33
them,
6:33
if
6:34
you
6:34
like
6:34
what
6:34
you're
6:34
hearing
6:34
now,
6:34
you
6:35
should
6:35
check
6:35
out
6:35
the
6:35
On
6:35
Azale
6:36
podcast
6:36
network
6:36
website.
6:37
The
6:37
link
6:37
is
6:37
below
6:38
for
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us
6:39
and
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shows
6:40
like
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ours.
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And
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if
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you're
6:41
already
6:41
listening
6:42
on
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the
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please
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hit
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so
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6:47
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that
6:47
when
6:47
our
6:47
videos
6:48
go
6:48
up,
6:48
it's
6:48
time
6:48
to
6:48
go
6:49
watch
6:49
one.
6:50
Yeah.
6:50
Ding
6:51
ding.
6:51
So
6:51
true.
6:53
And
6:53
of
6:53
course
6:54
you
6:54
all
6:54
know
6:54
we
6:55
do
6:55
like
6:55
to
6:55
start
6:55
with
6:56
a
6:56
holy
6:56
sacrament
6:57
of
6:57
silliness
6:58
because
6:59
you
6:59
can't
6:59
be
7:01
divided
7:01
when
7:02
you're
7:02
being
7:02
a
7:02
silly
7:03
as
7:03
I
7:03
like
7:04
to
7:04
be.
7:05
I
7:05
was
7:05
gonna
7:05
do
7:05
one
7:06
related
7:06
and
7:06
for
7:06
some
7:06
reason
7:07
I
7:07
came
7:07
up
7:07
with
7:07
something.
7:08
I
7:08
mean
7:08
a
7:09
third
7:09
of
7:09
it's
7:09
partially
7:09
related,
7:10
I
7:10
guess.
7:11
Guys,
7:11
I'm
7:12
silly.
7:12
This
7:12
is
7:13
what
7:13
happens.
7:14
Today's
7:15
question.
7:16
TJ
7:16
Islands.
7:16
First,
7:17
give
7:17
you
7:17
guys
7:17
time
7:17
to
7:17
think
7:17
about
7:18
it.
7:19
Who
7:19
would
7:19
win
7:19
in
7:20
a
7:20
game
7:20
of
7:20
21
7:22
pick
7:22
up
7:22
basketball?
7:23
We
7:23
got
7:24
Goofy
7:24
the
7:25
Ice
7:25
King
7:25
from
7:25
Adventure
7:26
Time
7:26
or
7:27
Jar
7:27
Jar
7:28
Binks.
7:29
Oh
7:29
God.
7:30
I'll
7:30
make
7:30
my
7:30
case
7:30
for
7:32
Goofy.
7:35
I'm
7:35
going
7:35
with
7:35
Goofy
7:37
primarily
7:38
because
7:38
Jar
7:39
Jar's
7:39
antics.
7:40
I
7:40
could
7:40
see
7:40
them
7:41
working
7:41
like
7:41
large
7:41
scale.
7:42
He
7:42
accidentally
7:43
blew
7:43
a
7:43
bunch
7:43
of
7:43
stuff
7:43
up.
7:44
But
7:44
he
7:44
doesn't
7:44
seem
7:45
to
7:45
be
7:45
lucky
7:45
in
7:45
the
7:46
same
7:46
way
7:46
that
7:46
Goofy
7:47
is.
7:47
And
7:47
also
7:48
I
7:48
think
7:48
he's
7:48
going
7:48
to
7:49
piss
7:49
off
7:49
Ice
7:49
King.
7:50
And
7:50
Ice
7:50
King's
7:51
just
7:51
going
7:51
to
7:51
be
7:51
too
7:51
distracted
7:52
trying
7:52
to
7:53
do
7:54
something
7:54
with
7:54
Jar
7:54
Jar.
7:55
And
7:55
Goofy's
7:55
just
7:55
going
7:55
to
7:56
accidentally
7:56
like
7:56
Slip
7:57
on
7:57
ice
7:57
and
7:57
like
7:58
circle
7:58
back
7:58
through
7:58
the
7:58
hoop
7:59
over
7:59
and
7:59
over
7:59
or
7:59
something?
7:59
I
8:00
don't
8:00
know.
8:00
This
8:01
is
8:01
just.
8:01
That's
8:01
the
8:01
scene
8:02
my
8:02
brain
8:02
built.
8:03
Tj,
8:03
tell
8:03
me
8:03
why
8:03
I'm
8:04
wrong.
8:04
Yeah,
8:04
Jar
8:04
Jar
8:05
Binks
8:05
is
8:05
6'5
8:06
with
8:06
a
8:06
40
8:06
foot
8:06
vertical,
8:08
but
8:09
he's
8:10
not
8:10
going
8:10
to
8:10
be.
8:10
He's
8:10
not
8:11
going
8:11
to
8:11
want
8:11
to
8:11
make
8:11
it.
8:12
You
8:12
know
8:13
how,
8:13
you
8:13
know
8:13
how
8:13
high
8:13
Gungans
8:14
can
8:14
jump
8:14
for
8:15
no
8:15
reason?
8:16
That
8:16
might
8:17
make
8:17
it
8:17
more
8:17
challenging
8:18
though.
8:18
No,
8:18
it
8:19
doesn't.
8:19
So
8:19
it
8:21
amphibians.
8:22
I
8:22
feel
8:22
like
8:22
you're
8:22
forgetting
8:23
how
8:23
clumsy
8:23
Jar
8:24
Jar
8:24
is
8:24
though.
8:24
Yes.
8:25
I
8:25
don't
8:25
think
8:25
he
8:26
could
8:26
walk
8:26
a.
8:26
Straight
8:27
line
8:27
to
8:27
the
8:27
goal.
8:28
So
8:28
as
8:28
soon
8:29
as
8:29
you
8:29
said
8:29
21,
8:30
I
8:30
thought
8:30
blackjack.
8:31
Me
8:31
too.
8:32
Me
8:32
too.
8:33
I
8:33
was
8:33
like,
8:34
yes,
8:35
I
8:35
forgot
8:35
that,
8:35
that,
8:36
that
8:36
exists.
8:37
Honestly,
8:38
I
8:38
totally
8:38
just
8:39
call
8:39
it
8:39
blackjack,
8:39
though.
8:40
Very
8:40
bad
8:40
list
8:40
of
8:41
you,
8:41
I
8:41
guess.
8:42
But
8:42
no,
8:42
I
8:42
mean,
8:42
I
8:42
prefer
8:43
Texas
8:43
hold'
8:43
Em.
8:44
I
8:44
just
8:44
don't
8:44
really
8:44
like.
8:45
Blackjack
8:45
is
8:45
just
8:46
so
8:46
straightforward.
8:47
I
8:47
don't
8:47
know.
8:47
Anyway,
8:48
I'm
8:48
comfortably
8:48
in
8:48
the
8:49
Jar
8:49
Jar.
8:50
Okay,
8:50
all
8:50
right.
8:50
You're
8:50
going
8:51
with
8:51
Jar
8:51
Jar.
8:52
All
8:52
right.
8:53
Ryan.
8:54
Well,
8:54
I
8:55
don't
8:55
know
8:55
what
8:55
an
8:55
Ice
8:55
King
8:56
is
8:56
from
8:57
Adventure
8:57
Time.
8:57
Oh,
8:57
you're
8:58
missing
8:58
out.
8:59
Well,
8:59
I'm
8:59
not
9:00
in
9:00
my
9:00
20s
9:01
anymore,
9:01
so
9:02
I
9:02
don't
9:02
know
9:02
what
9:02
an
9:02
Adventure
9:03
Time
9:03
is.
9:03
So
9:04
back
9:04
when
9:04
you're
9:04
18,
9:05
they
9:05
could
9:05
drink
9:05
too.
9:05
When
9:06
you
9:06
were
9:06
18?
9:07
Yes.
9:08
Yeah,
9:08
no,
9:10
but
9:11
we
9:11
had
9:11
to
9:11
make
9:11
it
9:11
in
9:12
our
9:12
tub
9:12
will
9:13
at
9:13
home.
9:15
So
9:16
here's
9:16
the
9:16
thing.
9:16
Like
9:17
I
9:17
am.
9:18
I
9:18
am
9:18
a
9:18
prequels
9:19
Star
9:19
wars
9:20
kid
9:20
through
9:20
and
9:20
through.
9:21
Phantom
9:22
Menace
9:22
changed
9:22
my
9:23
life
9:24
to
9:24
the
9:24
chagrin
9:25
of
9:25
OG
9:26
trilogy
9:26
people
9:27
everywhere,
9:27
myself
9:28
included.
9:28
I
9:29
frickin
9:29
Jar
9:30
Jar
9:30
Binks
9:31
never
9:32
appealed
9:32
to
9:33
me.
9:33
Even
9:33
as
9:33
a
9:33
nine
9:34
year
9:34
old,
9:35
it
9:35
didn't
9:35
appeal
9:35
to
9:35
me.
9:37
I
9:37
was
9:37
Darth
9:37
Maul
9:38
through
9:38
and
9:38
through.
9:39
Get
9:39
that
9:39
silly
9:40
little
9:40
space
9:41
frog
9:41
out
9:42
of
9:42
my
9:42
Star
9:43
Wars.
9:43
Not
9:43
my
9:43
Star
9:43
Wars.
9:46
It's,
9:46
it's,
9:46
it's,
9:47
it's
9:47
Goofy
9:48
through
9:48
and
9:48
through.
9:49
Yeah.
9:50
Guys,
9:51
have
9:51
you
9:51
seen
9:51
the
9:51
perfect
9:52
cast?
9:52
Have
9:53
you
9:53
seen
9:53
the
9:53
Goofy
9:54
movie?
9:54
Have
9:55
you
9:55
seen
9:55
Goofy
9:55
Movie
9:56
2?
9:56
The
9:56
Goofy.
9:57
The
9:57
extremely
9:57
Goofy
9:58
movie?
9:58
He
9:58
is
9:59
athletic
9:59
as
10:00
hell,
10:00
man.
10:01
And
10:01
I
10:01
think
10:02
in
10:02
a
10:02
game
10:02
of
10:02
21,
10:03
like
10:03
even
10:04
if
10:04
it's
10:04
a
10:04
free
10:04
for
10:05
all,
10:05
if
10:05
all
10:05
three
10:05
of
10:05
them
10:05
are
10:05
playing
10:06
at
10:06
the
10:06
same
10:06
time,
10:07
like
10:08
Goofy,
10:08
he's
10:09
got
10:09
that
10:09
cartoon
10:10
probability.
10:11
So
10:12
even
10:12
if
10:12
this
10:12
was
10:12
like
10:13
Leah
10:13
said,
10:13
like
10:13
if
10:14
we're
10:14
playing,
10:14
if
10:14
we're
10:15
playing
10:15
21,
10:16
if
10:16
we're,
10:16
you
10:16
know,
10:16
throwing
10:17
down
10:17
some
10:17
cards,
10:17
I
10:18
think
10:18
Goofy
10:18
wins
10:18
no
10:19
matter
10:19
what.
10:19
You're
10:19
going
10:19
Space
10:19
Jam.
10:20
On
10:20
us
10:20
also.
10:20
Going
10:21
all
10:21
Space
10:21
Jam.
10:21
On
10:21
us
10:22
also.
10:22
Oh,
10:23
yeah.
10:23
I
10:24
know
10:24
we
10:24
have
10:24
limited
10:24
time.
10:25
I
10:25
don't
10:25
want
10:25
to
10:25
spend
10:25
it
10:25
all
10:25
on
10:25
the
10:25
silly
10:26
question.
10:26
But
10:26
I
10:26
do
10:26
want
10:26
to
10:26
point
10:27
out,
10:27
since
10:27
TJ
10:27
mentioned
10:28
40
10:28
foot
10:28
vertical
10:29
ice
10:29
king
10:29
can
10:29
flip
10:30
fly.
10:31
That
10:31
would
10:31
be
10:31
a
10:31
travel
10:33
fantastic.
10:33
He
10:33
can
10:34
take
10:34
his.
10:34
He
10:34
can
10:34
take
10:34
his
10:35
Gen
10:36
Z
10:37
somewhere
10:37
else.
10:38
Anyway.
10:39
Leah.
10:40
Hi.
10:41
Snort
10:41
brought
10:41
me
10:41
another
10:42
drink.
10:45
As
10:45
one
10:45
who
10:46
played
10:46
basketball
10:46
varsity.
10:47
Heck
10:48
yes.
10:49
Nice.
10:49
I
10:50
know.
10:51
I'm
10:52
gonna
10:52
go
10:52
with
10:53
TJ
10:53
on
10:53
this
10:53
one
10:54
and
10:54
say
10:55
as
10:55
soon
10:55
as
10:55
y'
10:55
all
10:55
said
10:56
basketball,
10:56
I
10:56
was
10:56
like,
10:57
oh,
10:57
that
10:57
changes
10:58
the
10:58
game,
10:58
because
10:58
here's
10:58
the
10:59
deal.
10:59
He
10:59
can
10:59
fly.
11:00
Cool.
11:01
There
11:02
were
11:02
fast
11:02
people
11:03
in
11:03
basketball.
11:04
But,
11:04
like,
11:05
if
11:05
you're
11:05
tall,
11:06
even
11:06
if
11:06
you're
11:06
flailing
11:07
around,
11:08
like,
11:09
he
11:09
can
11:09
just
11:09
bat
11:10
you
11:10
back
11:10
down
11:11
into
11:12
onto
11:12
earth.
11:13
I'm.
11:13
I'm
11:13
just
11:14
saying.
11:14
So
11:14
I'm
11:14
going
11:15
until
11:15
he
11:15
gets
11:15
frozen
11:16
solid?
11:17
Well,
11:17
yes.
11:18
Wow.
11:19
Well,
11:19
yes,
11:20
until,
11:20
you
11:21
know,
11:21
the
11:22
Skywalkers
11:22
come
11:22
and
11:23
save
11:23
Jar
11:23
Jar
11:24
or
11:24
whatever.
11:24
It's.
11:25
I
11:25
know
11:25
I
11:25
met.
11:29
Someone'S
11:30
gonna
11:30
have
11:30
a
11:30
conniption
11:31
fit.
11:31
Well,
11:32
you're
11:32
on
11:32
my
11:32
bad
11:32
list
11:33
right
11:33
now,
11:33
and
11:33
you
11:33
know
11:34
why.
11:34
And
11:34
so
11:34
I'm
11:35
just
11:35
gonna
11:35
keep
11:35
making
11:35
the
11:35
Skywalker
11:36
references.
11:38
All
11:39
right,
11:39
let's
11:39
wrap
11:39
this
11:39
up
11:40
so
11:40
we
11:40
can
11:40
do
11:40
real
11:41
podcast
11:41
stuff.
11:41
Okay.
11:42
I
11:42
don't.
11:42
I
11:42
don't
11:43
know.
11:43
Why
11:43
is
11:43
it.
11:44
Oh,
11:44
man.
11:44
Okay,
11:45
I'm
11:46
gonna
11:46
say.
11:46
Josh
11:46
Patterson,
11:47
North
11:47
Carolina.
11:49
Oh,
11:49
there
11:49
you
11:49
go.
11:50
Yep.
11:50
Okay,
11:50
gotcha.
11:51
Reach
11:51
it.
11:51
Loud
11:51
and
11:51
clear.
11:52
Yes.
11:53
I.
11:53
You
11:53
would
11:54
think,
11:54
as
11:54
an
11:54
original
11:55
Star
11:55
wars
11:55
wars
11:55
guy
11:56
trilogy
11:56
guy,
11:56
that
11:57
I
11:57
would
11:57
not
11:57
peach
11:57
our
11:57
jar
11:58
because,
11:58
yes,
11:58
he
11:58
annoys
11:59
me,
11:59
but
11:59
I
11:59
do
11:59
think.
11:59
I
12:00
originally
12:00
thought
12:00
this
12:00
was
12:00
a
12:01
card
12:01
game,
12:01
that
12:01
he
12:01
was
12:02
gonna
12:02
play
12:02
cards
12:02
and,
12:03
like,
12:05
frustrate
12:05
the
12:05
person
12:06
next
12:06
to
12:06
him
12:06
and
12:06
say,
12:06
like,
12:07
squeeze
12:07
me
12:07
all
12:07
the
12:08
time.
12:08
And
12:08
the
12:08
person's
12:08
like,
12:08
what?
12:08
And
12:09
then
12:09
he,
12:09
like,
12:09
says,
12:09
hit
12:09
me
12:10
and
12:10
gets
12:10
21.
12:11
But
12:11
I.
12:11
I
12:11
do
12:12
think,
12:12
out
12:12
of
12:12
accident,
12:13
pure
12:13
comedy,
12:13
George
12:14
Lucas
12:14
was
12:14
writing
12:15
this
12:15
basketball
12:16
storyline.
12:16
George
12:17
R.
12:17
Would
12:17
win
12:17
because
12:18
he
12:18
just
12:18
would,
12:18
like,
12:18
what?
12:19
And
12:19
flip
12:19
it
12:19
over
12:19
his
12:19
head
12:20
and
12:20
it
12:20
still
12:20
go
12:20
in
12:20
the
12:20
basket.
12:21
I
12:21
think
12:21
just.
12:22
That's
12:22
what
12:22
would
12:22
happen,
12:23
just
12:23
through
12:24
comedy
12:24
of
12:24
errors
12:25
and
12:25
mistakes.
12:25
He's
12:25
still
12:26
gonna
12:26
win
12:26
because
12:26
George
12:27
Lucas
12:27
wrote
12:27
it.
12:28
God,
12:28
you're
12:28
probably
12:28
right.
12:30
I'm
12:30
not
12:30
letting
12:30
George
12:31
Lucas
12:31
anywhere
12:31
near
12:32
this
12:32
basketball
12:32
game
12:34
for
12:34
the
12:34
ride.
12:34
He's
12:35
the
12:35
rep.
12:35
George
12:36
Lucas
12:36
is
12:36
the
12:36
ref.
12:36
Jar
12:37
Jar's
12:37
winning.
12:37
No.
12:38
No.
12:38
Well,
12:38
if
12:38
you
12:38
had
12:38
to
12:39
pick
12:39
teams,
12:39
like,
12:40
who
12:40
are
12:40
you
12:40
gonna
12:41
pick
12:41
first?
12:41
But
12:43
there's
12:43
a
12:43
real
12:43
podcast
12:44
to
12:44
be
12:44
had
12:44
here.
12:44
Okay,
12:45
so
12:46
before
12:47
we
12:47
get
12:47
into
12:47
it,
12:48
On
12:48
a
12:48
real
12:48
basic
12:49
level,
12:49
how
12:50
do
12:50
we
12:50
all
12:50
think
12:50
that
12:51
stories
12:51
we
12:51
share
12:51
today
12:52
in
12:52
the
12:52
sci
12:52
fi
12:53
and
12:53
horror
12:53
genres
12:53
specifically
12:54
might
12:55
relate
12:55
to
12:55
the
12:55
arguments
12:56
had
12:56
in
12:56
churches
12:57
around
12:57
eschatological
12:58
topics?
13:00
Will,
13:00
you're
13:01
not
13:01
muted
13:02
yet,
13:02
so
13:02
you're
13:02
going
13:02
first.
13:03
No,
13:03
I'm
13:04
going
13:04
to
13:04
let
13:04
Leah
13:04
go
13:04
first
13:04
on
13:05
this
13:05
one
13:05
because
13:05
this
13:05
is
13:05
her
13:05
jam.
13:06
She
13:06
did
13:06
a
13:06
whole
13:06
panel
13:07
with
13:07
Leah
13:08
and
13:08
Ryan
13:08
on
13:09
this.
13:09
So
13:09
I'm
13:10
going
13:10
to
13:10
defer
13:10
and
13:11
then
13:11
kind
13:12
of
13:13
see
13:13
if
13:13
there's
13:13
anything
13:13
to
13:14
add
13:14
to
13:14
it
13:14
or
13:15
embellish.
13:16
But
13:16
yeah,
13:16
yeah,
13:17
Leah,
13:17
take
13:18
it
13:18
away,
13:18
take
13:18
it
13:18
away.
13:18
A
13:19
crafty,
13:19
crafty
13:20
teacher
13:20
trick
13:21
that
13:21
he
13:21
just
13:21
did
13:21
there,
13:22
which
13:22
is
13:22
lovely,
13:24
but.
13:24
Luckily,
13:25
good
13:25
old
13:25
pastors
13:27
manipulating
13:27
the
13:28
game.
13:28
I
13:28
need
13:28
a
13:28
little
13:28
bit
13:29
more
13:29
time
13:29
to
13:29
think,
13:29
so
13:29
I'm
13:30
going
13:30
to
13:30
build
13:30
up
13:30
your
13:30
ego
13:31
so
13:31
that
13:31
you
13:31
will
13:32
answer
13:32
for
13:32
me.
13:33
Anyway,
13:34
so
13:35
it
13:35
is
13:35
the.
13:36
I
13:36
do
13:36
love
13:36
horror
13:37
and
13:37
that's
13:37
true.
13:38
And
13:39
I
13:39
do
13:39
like
13:40
sci
13:40
fi.
13:40
I
13:41
will
13:41
say
13:41
I,
13:42
I
13:42
want
13:42
to
13:42
qualify
13:43
that.
13:44
I
13:44
do
13:45
think
13:45
the
13:45
eschatology,
13:46
eschatological
13:47
stuff
13:47
is.
13:48
Is
13:48
it
13:48
storming
13:48
where
13:49
you
13:49
are?
13:49
Apologies.
13:50
North
13:50
Carolina
13:51
has
13:51
been.
13:52
It
13:52
sounds
13:52
like
13:52
the
13:53
world's
13:53
ending.
13:53
Hey,
13:54
appropriate,
13:54
right?
13:56
Anyway,
13:56
so
13:58
with
13:58
the,
13:59
the
13:59
horror
13:59
stuff,
13:59
it's
14:00
interesting
14:00
because
14:00
I
14:00
do
14:00
think
14:01
you
14:01
have
14:01
to
14:01
take
14:01
it
14:01
by
14:01
genre
14:02
and
14:02
a
14:02
lot
14:03
of
14:03
people
14:03
just
14:03
lump
14:03
horror
14:04
into
14:04
like
14:04
one
14:05
big
14:05
thing
14:05
and
14:05
that
14:05
I
14:06
don't
14:06
think
14:06
that's
14:06
fair
14:06
because
14:07
we
14:07
don't
14:07
do
14:07
that
14:07
with
14:08
other
14:08
genres.
14:09
But
14:09
if
14:09
you're
14:09
talking
14:09
about
14:10
the
14:10
sort
14:10
of
14:10
like,
14:13
I
14:13
think
14:13
the
14:13
stuff
14:14
with
14:14
the
14:14
end
14:14
of
14:14
the
14:14
world
14:15
things
14:15
really
14:15
fits
14:15
into
14:16
the
14:16
Mike
14:17
Flanagan
14:17
stuff.
14:17
If
14:18
you
14:18
guys
14:18
have
14:18
seen
14:18
that,
14:19
that's
14:19
just
14:20
overtly
14:20
religious
14:21
stuff.
14:22
So
14:22
that's
14:22
one
14:22
genre.
14:23
I
14:24
think
14:25
those
14:25
kind
14:25
of
14:26
genres
14:26
are
14:27
just
14:27
overtly
14:28
religious.
14:28
Like
14:29
there's
14:29
end
14:29
of
14:29
world
14:30
stuff,
14:30
there's
14:30
all
14:31
that
14:31
kind
14:31
of
14:31
stuff.
14:31
And
14:31
it's
14:32
just
14:32
inherently
14:33
in
14:33
there.
14:33
You
14:33
get
14:33
the
14:33
exorcist,
14:34
you
14:34
get
14:34
all
14:34
of
14:35
that
14:35
stuff.
14:35
It's
14:35
just
14:35
religious.
14:36
But
14:36
then
14:37
you
14:37
get
14:37
sort
14:37
of
14:38
other
14:38
genres.
14:38
I
14:38
know
14:39
we're
14:39
going
14:39
to
14:39
go
14:39
into
14:39
this,
14:39
so
14:39
I'm
14:40
not
14:40
going
14:40
to
14:40
dig
14:40
too
14:40
deep
14:40
into
14:41
it,
14:41
but
14:41
I
14:41
do
14:41
think
14:41
it's
14:42
what
14:42
genre
14:43
you're
14:43
looking
14:43
at
14:43
because
14:44
there's
14:44
all
14:44
obviously
14:45
like
14:45
The
14:46
Friday
14:46
the
14:46
13th
14:47
would
14:47
just
14:47
happened.
14:49
The
14:49
sort
14:50
of,
14:50
you
14:50
know,
14:50
going
14:50
after
14:51
people
14:51
sort
14:51
of
14:52
thing.
14:52
There's
14:52
the
14:52
sci
14:52
fi
14:53
version,
14:53
which
14:53
Ryan
14:53
and
14:53
I
14:54
did
14:54
and
14:54
talked
14:54
about.
14:55
Space
14:56
is
14:56
real
14:56
scary.
14:57
Come
14:57
to
14:57
find
14:57
out,
14:58
so
14:58
is
14:58
underwater.
15:00
And
15:01
so
15:01
I
15:01
do
15:01
think
15:02
it's
15:02
which
15:02
category
15:03
you
15:03
go
15:03
to.
15:03
The
15:03
gore
15:03
porn
15:04
stuff
15:04
too.
15:04
We
15:05
could
15:05
talk
15:05
about
15:05
that
15:05
as
15:05
well.
15:06
But
15:06
I
15:06
think
15:06
eschatology
15:07
really
15:08
plays
15:08
into
15:09
those
15:09
sort
15:10
of
15:10
worlds
15:10
because
15:11
it
15:11
is
15:12
the
15:12
fear
15:12
of
15:12
the
15:13
thing
15:13
that
15:13
you
15:13
can't
15:13
control.
15:14
And
15:14
I
15:14
think
15:14
in
15:15
the
15:15
beginning,
15:16
at
15:16
least,
15:16
what
15:16
we
15:16
were
15:16
taught
15:17
in
15:17
seminary,
15:17
is
15:18
that
15:18
not
15:19
only
15:19
did
15:19
the
15:19
Bible
15:19
need
15:19
an
15:20
ending,
15:20
which
15:20
I
15:21
can
15:21
dig
15:21
into
15:21
that
15:21
later,
15:21
but
15:22
it's
15:22
also
15:22
that
15:23
people
15:23
thought
15:24
Jesus
15:24
was
15:24
going
15:24
to
15:24
return
15:25
real
15:25
quick,
15:26
and
15:26
Jesus
15:27
didn't
15:27
return
15:27
real
15:28
quick.
15:28
And
15:28
as
15:28
a
15:28
result
15:29
of
15:29
that,
15:29
if
15:29
Jesus
15:30
isn't
15:30
going
15:31
to
15:31
return
15:31
really
15:31
quick,
15:32
the
15:32
world
15:32
needs
15:33
to
15:33
end
15:33
or
15:33
the
15:34
world
15:34
needs
15:34
to
15:34
be
15:34
tied
15:34
to
15:35
Jesus
15:35
returning.
15:35
And
15:35
that
15:36
gets
15:36
into
15:36
millennialism
15:37
and
15:37
stuff
15:37
like
15:37
that.
15:38
So
15:38
I
15:38
think
15:38
in
15:39
a
15:39
lot
15:39
of
15:39
ways,
15:39
it's
15:39
this
15:40
idea
15:40
of
15:41
the
15:41
uncontrollableness
15:42
of
15:44
our
15:44
situation.
15:45
You
15:45
know,
15:46
we
15:46
can't
15:46
control
15:46
when
15:46
it's
15:47
going
15:47
to
15:47
happen.
15:47
No
15:47
one
15:47
knows
15:48
the
15:48
time
15:48
and
15:48
the
15:48
date
15:48
and
15:49
all
15:49
this
15:49
sort
15:49
of
15:49
stuff.
15:49
And
15:50
in
15:50
horror,
15:50
I
15:50
think
15:50
the
15:51
very
15:51
basic
15:52
tenant
15:52
of
15:53
horror
15:53
is
15:53
that
15:53
you
15:53
can't
15:54
control
15:54
things.
15:55
There's
15:55
a
15:55
loss
15:55
of
15:56
control
15:57
throughout.
15:58
And
15:58
for
15:58
some
15:59
reason,
15:59
some
15:59
people
16:00
find
16:00
that
16:00
comforting.
16:01
And
16:01
I'm
16:01
one
16:01
of
16:02
those
16:02
people.
16:02
And
16:02
we
16:02
can
16:03
dig
16:03
into
16:03
the
16:03
psychology
16:05
later,
16:05
but
16:05
it's
16:06
uncertainty
16:06
and
16:06
it's
16:07
uncomfortableness,
16:07
and
16:08
I
16:08
think
16:08
that's
16:08
the
16:09
key
16:09
bit
16:09
of
16:10
eschatological
16:11
ideas
16:11
of
16:12
theology.
16:13
Now
16:13
with
16:13
that,
16:13
one
16:13
thing
16:14
I
16:14
find
16:14
really
16:14
interesting,
16:14
just
16:15
from,
16:15
like,
16:15
what
16:15
you're
16:16
pointing
16:16
out,
16:16
too.
16:17
Another
16:17
thing
16:17
they
16:17
have
16:18
in
16:18
common
16:18
is
16:18
how
16:18
they're
16:18
misunderstood,
16:19
I
16:19
think.
16:19
Yep.
16:20
Because
16:21
apocalyptic
16:22
literature
16:22
in
16:22
the
16:23
Bible
16:23
is
16:24
really
16:24
has
16:24
a
16:25
ton
16:25
of
16:25
different
16:25
genres.
16:25
Like,
16:26
some
16:26
of
16:26
it's
16:26
political
16:26
commentary,
16:27
and
16:27
some
16:27
of
16:27
it
16:28
actually
16:28
is
16:28
trying
16:28
to
16:28
tell
16:28
something
16:29
about
16:29
the
16:29
end
16:29
times,
16:29
maybe.
16:30
And
16:30
some
16:30
of
16:30
it's
16:30
like,
16:30
hey,
16:31
stop
16:31
being
16:31
arrogant,
16:32
guys.
16:32
So,
16:33
like,
16:33
you
16:33
have
16:33
all
16:33
these
16:33
different
16:34
genres
16:34
of
16:34
apocalyptic
16:35
stuff
16:35
in
16:35
the
16:35
Bible.
16:35
And
16:35
this
16:35
is
16:36
why
16:36
I
16:36
don't
16:36
like
16:36
eschatology
16:37
as
16:37
a
16:37
whole
16:37
hole.
16:37
And
16:37
I
16:37
just
16:37
ruined
16:38
this
16:38
podcast
16:38
because
16:39
eschatology
16:39
is
16:40
basically
16:40
a
16:40
study
16:40
that
16:41
conflates
16:41
a
16:41
bunch
16:42
of
16:42
different
16:42
stories
16:42
with
16:42
different
16:42
meanings
16:43
to
16:43
try
16:43
to
16:43
come
16:43
up
16:43
with
16:44
a
16:44
timeline.
16:44
And
16:44
I'm
16:44
like,
16:45
that's
16:45
not
16:45
the
16:46
point.
16:46
And
16:46
that
16:47
tends
16:47
to
16:47
happen
16:47
with
16:47
horror
16:48
or
16:48
sci
16:48
fi
16:48
too.
16:49
Like,
16:49
people
16:49
like,
16:49
oh,
16:49
horror
16:50
is
16:50
so
16:50
that
16:50
you
16:50
get
16:50
scared.
16:50
I'm
16:51
like,
16:51
that's
16:51
actually
16:52
not
16:52
the
16:52
point.
16:53
And
16:53
a
16:53
lot
16:54
of
16:54
sci
16:54
fi,
16:54
they're
16:54
like,
16:54
oh,
16:54
this
16:54
is
16:55
like,
16:55
about
16:55
an
16:55
idealistic
16:56
future
16:56
or
16:56
just
16:56
about
16:57
seeing
16:58
lasers
16:58
blast
16:58
things.
16:59
I'm
16:59
like,
17:00
no.
17:01
Revelation
17:02
was
17:02
the
17:02
last
17:03
book
17:04
quite
17:04
famously,
17:04
to
17:04
be
17:05
canonized,
17:06
because
17:06
I
17:07
think
17:07
people
17:08
into
17:08
canon
17:08
rather,
17:09
but
17:09
because
17:09
people
17:10
were
17:10
like,
17:10
what
17:11
is
17:11
this?
17:12
Like,
17:12
what
17:12
does
17:13
this
17:13
mean?
17:14
But
17:15
I
17:15
had
17:15
a
17:15
teacher
17:17
Dr.
17:17
Tom
17:17
Slater,
17:18
who
17:18
was
17:18
an
17:18
expert
17:19
in
17:20
revelation,
17:21
God
17:21
bless
17:21
him,
17:22
that's.
17:24
He
17:24
was
17:24
a
17:24
New
17:24
Testament
17:25
scholar.
17:25
And
17:26
I
17:26
remember
17:26
asking
17:27
on
17:27
the
17:27
first
17:27
day
17:28
of
17:28
this
17:28
class,
17:28
I
17:28
had.
17:29
I
17:29
said,
17:29
why
17:29
did
17:29
we
17:29
even
17:30
include
17:30
it?
17:30
Because
17:30
it's
17:31
so
17:31
confusing.
17:31
It's
17:32
caused
17:32
such
17:32
drama.
17:33
What's
17:34
the
17:34
deal?
17:34
And.
17:35
And
17:35
he
17:35
goes,
17:35
every
17:36
story
17:36
that
17:36
has
17:36
a
17:37
beginning
17:37
needs
17:37
an
17:37
ending.
17:38
And
17:38
I
17:38
thought
17:38
I
17:38
was
17:39
so
17:39
being
17:40
funny.
17:40
Ish.
17:41
But
17:42
I
17:42
do
17:42
think
17:42
it's
17:42
interesting
17:43
to
17:43
think
17:43
did
17:43
it.
17:44
I
17:44
wasn't
17:44
at
17:44
the
17:45
council,
17:45
but
17:45
did
17:46
it
17:46
get
17:46
included
17:46
because
17:47
the
17:47
story
17:48
needed
17:48
an
17:48
ending?
17:49
I
17:49
mean
17:50
it
17:50
needed
17:51
an
17:51
omega.
17:51
Well,
17:52
as
17:52
the
17:52
resident
17:52
kind
17:52
of
17:53
Lutheran
17:53
pastor
17:53
here,
17:54
Luther
17:54
would
17:54
be
17:54
proud
17:55
that
17:55
we're
17:56
saying
17:56
should
17:56
it
17:56
be
17:56
added
17:57
in
17:57
the
17:57
canon
17:57
because
17:57
he
17:57
kind
17:57
of
17:58
put
17:58
it
17:58
in
17:58
the
17:58
appendix.
17:59
He
17:59
really
17:59
didn't
17:59
like
18:00
that
18:00
book
18:00
at
18:00
all.
18:00
He
18:00
put
18:01
his
18:01
appendix
18:01
of
18:01
the.
18:02
I
18:03
like
18:03
this
18:03
idea
18:03
of
18:03
like
18:04
building
18:04
on
18:04
the
18:05
fear
18:05
of
18:05
like
18:06
was
18:06
uncontrollable.
18:07
But
18:07
I
18:07
would
18:07
also
18:08
add
18:08
to
18:08
that,
18:08
like,
18:09
it's
18:09
the
18:09
fear
18:10
of
18:10
the
18:10
unknown.
18:11
So
18:11
space,
18:12
darkness,
18:13
the
18:14
monster
18:14
out
18:14
there
18:14
we
18:15
don't
18:15
quite
18:15
know,
18:15
the
18:16
shark
18:16
under
18:16
the
18:16
water,
18:17
the
18:17
Kaiju,
18:17
whatever
18:18
you
18:18
want
18:18
to
18:18
do.
18:19
The
18:19
murderer,
18:19
the
18:19
vampire,
18:20
the
18:20
zombie,
18:20
that
18:21
it's.
18:21
There's
18:22
this
18:22
kind
18:22
of
18:22
fear
18:22
of
18:23
the
18:23
unknown.
18:23
And
18:23
the
18:23
future
18:24
is
18:24
unknown.
18:25
So
18:25
we're
18:25
going
18:25
to
18:25
fill
18:25
in
18:25
the
18:26
gaps
18:26
of
18:26
what
18:26
could
18:26
or
18:27
could
18:27
not
18:27
happen.
18:27
And
18:27
so
18:28
these
18:28
stories
18:28
that
18:28
are
18:28
told
18:29
can
18:29
be
18:30
cautionary
18:30
tales
18:30
to
18:31
beware
18:31
or
18:32
to
18:32
help
18:32
you
18:32
cope
18:33
for
18:33
whatever
18:33
you
18:33
face
18:33
coming
18:34
down
18:34
the
18:34
road
18:35
or
18:35
what
18:35
gifts
18:35
you
18:35
have
18:36
to
18:36
play
18:36
into
18:36
society.
18:37
I
18:37
don't
18:37
want
18:37
to
18:37
make
18:38
going
18:38
to
18:38
have.
18:38
I'm
18:38
definitely
18:38
not
18:38
a
18:39
hunter.
18:39
I'm
18:40
not
18:40
that
18:40
great
18:40
of
18:41
a
18:41
cook.
18:41
I
18:41
guess
18:41
I
18:41
could
18:41
grill
18:42
a
18:42
little
18:42
bit,
18:42
but
18:42
like,
18:43
I
18:43
don't
18:43
know.
18:44
Do
18:44
they
18:44
need
18:45
chaplains
18:45
in
18:45
the
18:46
post
18:46
apocalyptic
18:47
dystopia?
18:48
I
18:48
don't
18:49
know.
18:50
Water
18:51
skills.
18:52
Water
18:52
skills,
18:53
Yeah.
18:53
I
18:53
could
18:53
just
18:53
surf.
18:54
Why
18:54
everybody
18:54
else
18:54
is
18:54
on
18:54
the
18:54
beach
18:55
fighting
18:55
zombies,
18:55
I
18:55
don't
18:55
know.
18:56
But.
18:57
But
18:57
yeah,
18:57
I
18:57
think
18:57
that
18:57
fear
18:58
of
18:58
the
18:58
unknown
18:59
also
18:59
in
18:59
the
18:59
future
19:00
is
19:00
unknown.
19:00
And
19:01
so
19:01
we're
19:02
in
19:02
the
19:02
church
19:02
where
19:02
they're
19:03
debating
19:03
what.
19:03
What
19:03
does
19:04
the
19:04
future
19:04
hold?
19:04
Only
19:05
God
19:05
holds
19:05
the
19:05
future
19:06
or
19:07
lures
19:07
us
19:07
towards
19:08
new
19:08
possibilities
19:08
in
19:09
the
19:09
future.
19:10
Our
19:10
process
19:10
friends.
19:10
But
19:11
I
19:11
think,
19:12
yeah,
19:12
I
19:12
think
19:12
that's
19:12
as
19:13
a
19:13
part
19:13
of
19:13
us,
19:13
of
19:13
us
19:14
sharing
19:14
stories
19:14
to
19:15
help
19:15
us
19:15
through
19:15
even.
19:16
Even
19:16
through
19:17
scripture.
19:17
What
19:18
could
19:18
we
19:18
do
19:18
to
19:18
prepare
19:19
ourselves
19:19
for
19:19
what's
19:20
coming
19:20
down
19:20
the
19:20
road
19:21
that
19:21
we
19:21
don't
19:21
know
19:21
what
19:21
that
19:22
looks
19:22
like.
19:23
Also,
19:23
ironically,
19:24
Revelation
19:24
is
19:24
one
19:24
of
19:24
my
19:24
favorite
19:25
books.
19:25
So
19:26
I'm
19:26
a
19:26
bad
19:26
one
19:26
that
19:27
Tracks.
19:27
That
19:27
tracks.
19:28
That's
19:28
because,
19:28
like,
19:29
I'm
19:29
a
19:29
literary
19:29
nerd
19:30
in
19:30
the
19:30
literary,
19:31
like,
19:31
aspects
19:31
of
19:32
it.
19:32
Like
19:32
how
19:32
much
19:32
they
19:33
make
19:33
connections
19:33
and
19:33
like,
19:33
cameos.
19:34
And
19:35
it's
19:35
just.
19:35
It
19:36
is
19:36
the
19:36
geekiest
19:36
book
19:37
of
19:37
the
19:37
Bible
19:37
by
19:37
far.
19:38
Definitely
19:38
has
19:38
dragons.
19:40
It
19:40
has
19:40
dragons
19:40
in
19:40
it.
19:41
Also
19:42
pretty
19:42
jarring
19:42
ending
19:43
if
19:43
you're
19:43
just
19:43
like,
19:44
reading
19:44
through
19:45
the
19:45
Bible.
19:45
It's
19:45
also
19:46
batshit.
19:47
Sorry
19:47
for
19:47
the
19:48
church
19:48
people.
19:48
But,
19:49
like,
19:50
it
19:50
doesn't.
19:51
And
19:51
people
19:52
who
19:52
are
19:52
like,
19:52
this
19:52
is.
19:53
This
19:53
is
19:53
when
19:53
my
19:54
students
19:54
say,
19:54
I'm
19:54
a
19:54
Bible
19:55
believing,
19:55
slash,
19:56
the
19:56
Bible
19:56
is
19:57
easy.
19:58
Or
19:58
it's
19:58
clear,
19:59
go
19:59
read
20:00
Revelation,
20:01
come
20:01
back
20:01
to
20:01
me,
20:02
let's
20:02
have
20:02
a
20:02
chat.
20:03
And
20:03
that's
20:04
not
20:04
me
20:04
saying,
20:04
you
20:04
can't
20:05
be
20:05
a
20:05
part
20:05
of
20:05
a
20:05
denomination
20:06
that
20:06
translates
20:07
things
20:07
in
20:07
a
20:07
certain
20:07
way.
20:08
That's
20:08
the.
20:08
That's
20:09
why
20:09
denominations
20:09
exist.
20:10
But
20:10
Revelation
20:11
is
20:11
not
20:12
clear.
20:12
I'm
20:12
sorry.
20:13
No,
20:14
this
20:14
is.
20:14
I
20:14
like
20:14
it
20:15
when
20:15
you
20:15
say
20:15
that.
20:15
There's
20:16
thunder
20:16
in
20:16
the
20:16
background,
20:16
booming.
20:17
I'm
20:17
like,
20:17
leah,
20:18
watch
20:18
what
20:18
you
20:18
say.
20:19
Watch
20:19
what
20:20
you
20:20
say.
20:20
This
20:20
is
20:21
where
20:21
literalism
20:21
becomes
20:22
very
20:22
appealing.
20:23
Because
20:23
I
20:23
don't
20:23
want
20:24
to
20:24
think
20:24
about
20:24
what
20:24
all
20:24
that
20:25
means.
20:25
I'm
20:25
just
20:25
going
20:25
to.
20:26
I'm
20:26
just
20:26
going
20:26
to
20:26
take
20:26
that
20:26
literally.
20:27
That's
20:27
all
20:27
going
20:27
to
20:28
happen.
20:28
For
20:28
real?
20:29
Yeah.
20:29
Well,
20:29
so
20:30
what
20:30
drives
20:31
me
20:31
crazy.
20:31
It's
20:32
the
20:32
same
20:32
thing,
20:32
like
20:32
when
20:32
people
20:33
read
20:33
Frankenstein
20:34
who
20:34
don't
20:35
actually
20:35
want
20:35
to
20:35
read
20:35
it
20:36
genuinely,
20:36
they're
20:37
just
20:37
like,
20:37
oh,
20:37
monster.
20:38
And
20:38
I'm
20:38
like,
20:38
shut
20:38
up.
20:40
Like,
20:40
you
20:40
read
20:41
Revelation
20:41
and
20:41
you
20:41
have
20:41
all
20:42
these
20:42
people
20:42
who
20:42
clearly
20:42
don't
20:43
know
20:43
the
20:43
Bible,
20:43
who
20:43
are
20:43
like,
20:44
I'm
20:44
a
20:44
Revelation
20:44
expert.
20:45
And
20:45
the
20:45
candle
20:45
represents
20:46
that.
20:46
And
20:46
they
20:46
come
20:46
up
20:46
like
20:46
some
20:46
wild.
20:47
And
20:47
I'm
20:47
like,
20:47
dude,
20:48
no,
20:49
Ezekiel
20:49
or
20:49
Zechariah
20:50
3
20:50
actually
20:51
tells
20:51
us
20:51
exactly
20:51
what
20:51
the
20:52
candle
20:52
is.
20:52
And
20:52
then
20:52
like,
20:53
here's
20:53
this
20:53
cool
20:53
monster.
20:54
Them,
20:54
actually,
20:54
that's
20:55
from
20:55
Daniel.
20:55
And
20:55
we're
20:55
already
20:56
told
20:56
what
20:56
that
20:56
means.
20:57
Just
20:57
read
20:57
the
20:57
rest
20:58
of
20:58
the
20:58
book,
20:58
dude.
20:59
And
20:59
it
20:59
infuriates
21:00
me.
21:00
That's
21:01
all.
21:02
I
21:02
think
21:03
it
21:03
bothers
21:03
me
21:04
so
21:04
much.
21:04
Welcome
21:04
to
21:05
being
21:05
a
21:05
theologian.
21:06
I
21:07
despise
21:08
it.
21:09
Despise
21:10
it.
21:14
Oh,
21:14
my
21:15
gosh.
21:16
All
21:16
right.
21:17
So
21:18
we're
21:18
taking
21:18
a
21:18
little
21:19
bit
21:19
of
21:19
a
21:19
detour
21:20
off
21:20
the
21:20
stuff
21:20
that
21:21
I
21:21
despise.
21:21
And
21:21
we're
21:22
going
21:22
to
21:22
go
21:22
to
21:23
a
21:24
geek
21:24
detour
21:25
because
21:25
now
21:26
you
21:26
guys
21:26
know
21:26
what
21:26
we're
21:26
building
21:27
towards.
21:27
And
21:28
now
21:28
it's
21:28
time
21:28
to
21:28
build.
21:29
Why
21:30
do
21:30
you
21:30
guys,
21:31
like,
21:31
what
21:31
draws
21:32
you
21:32
to
21:32
sci
21:32
fi
21:33
or
21:33
horror?
21:33
Or
21:33
sci
21:34
fi
21:34
horror,
21:34
in
21:34
Ryan's
21:35
case,
21:35
sometimes.
21:37
Because,
21:37
like,
21:38
I
21:38
don't
21:38
know,
21:38
everybody
21:39
comes
21:39
for
21:39
different
21:39
reasons.
21:39
Sometimes
21:40
it
21:40
is
21:40
for
21:40
like
21:40
the,
21:40
the
21:41
lasers
21:41
in
21:41
the,
21:41
the
21:42
big
21:42
blast,
21:42
but
21:42
sometimes,
21:43
you
21:43
know,
21:43
maybe.
21:43
Maybe
21:43
there's
21:44
more
21:44
to
21:44
it.
21:44
Maybe
21:45
there's
21:45
more
21:45
to
21:45
it.
21:45
Will,
21:45
why,
21:45
why
21:46
are
21:46
you
21:46
drawn
21:46
to,
21:46
to
21:47
Star
21:47
Wars?
21:48
Star
21:48
wars
21:49
in
21:49
particular
21:50
or
21:50
sci
21:51
fi
21:51
in
21:51
general?
21:51
Either
21:51
way.
21:53
No,
21:53
it's
21:53
just,
21:53
it's
21:53
that,
21:54
it's
21:54
that
21:54
speculative
21:55
fiction
21:56
of
21:56
thinking
21:56
through
21:57
of
21:57
what
21:57
possibly,
21:57
of
21:57
what
21:57
could
21:58
be.
21:58
Now
21:58
the
21:58
thing
21:58
about
21:58
Star
21:58
wars,
21:59
it
21:59
happened
21:59
a
21:59
long
21:59
time
22:00
ago
22:00
in
22:00
a
22:00
galaxy
22:01
far,
22:01
far
22:01
away.
22:01
So
22:01
it's
22:01
not
22:01
like
22:02
necessarily
22:02
future,
22:03
it's.
22:04
It's
22:04
the
22:04
past.
22:05
But,
22:05
but
22:05
in,
22:06
you
22:06
know,
22:06
even
22:06
movies,
22:07
like
22:07
whether
22:07
it's
22:08
the
22:08
zombie
22:08
apocalypse
22:09
or
22:09
just
22:09
Star
22:10
Trek
22:10
or
22:11
sci
22:11
fi
22:11
or
22:11
even,
22:12
even
22:12
like
22:12
the
22:12
movie
22:13
that
22:13
just
22:13
came
22:13
out,
22:13
Sinners.
22:14
Leah,
22:14
have
22:14
you
22:14
seen
22:14
the
22:14
Sinners?
22:15
Oh
22:15
my
22:15
gosh,
22:16
yes.
22:16
Or.
22:16
Of
22:16
course.
22:17
Okay.
22:18
Yeah.
22:18
So
22:19
Will,
22:19
is
22:20
it
22:20
any
22:20
good?
22:20
I
22:20
haven't
22:21
heard
22:21
you
22:21
talk
22:21
about
22:21
it.
22:21
No,
22:22
no,
22:22
no,
22:22
no.
22:22
Yeah,
22:22
yeah.
22:23
Well,
22:23
yeah.
22:29
No,
22:29
but
22:29
I,
22:29
I
22:30
think
22:30
you,
22:30
if
22:30
you
22:30
put
22:30
yourself
22:31
in
22:31
the
22:31
story,
22:32
the.
22:32
The.
22:33
Which
22:33
is
22:33
what
22:33
we're
22:34
called
22:34
to
22:34
do
22:34
in
22:34
scripture,
22:36
think
22:36
about
22:37
what
22:37
our
22:37
role
22:38
would
22:38
be.
22:38
How
22:38
would
22:38
we
22:38
react?
22:39
What
22:39
would
22:39
we
22:39
do
22:40
in
22:40
that
22:40
situation?
22:40
How
22:41
would
22:41
we
22:41
respond
22:41
to
22:42
what's
22:42
going
22:42
around
22:42
us?
22:42
So
22:43
sci
22:43
fi
22:43
is
22:44
the
22:44
fantasy
22:44
as
22:45
the
22:45
adventure.
22:45
Where
22:45
am
22:46
I
22:46
in
22:46
the
22:46
story?
22:46
But
22:47
even
22:47
in
22:47
horror,
22:48
how
22:48
would
22:48
I
22:48
respond
22:49
to
22:49
what's
22:49
going
22:49
around
22:49
me?
22:50
Would
22:50
I
22:50
just
22:50
take
22:50
care
22:50
of
22:50
myself
22:51
or
22:51
would
22:51
I
22:51
take
22:52
care
22:52
of
22:52
others?
22:53
How
22:53
do
22:54
I
22:54
see
22:54
myself
22:54
living
22:55
with
22:55
community
22:55
and
22:56
family
22:56
and
22:56
relationship?
22:57
Like
22:57
all
22:57
those
22:57
things
22:57
happen
22:58
in
22:58
those
22:58
books.
22:58
That's
22:58
what
22:58
draws
22:59
me
22:59
is
22:59
the
22:59
fancy,
23:00
the
23:00
storytelling.
23:01
We're
23:01
hardwired
23:01
for
23:02
story
23:02
as
23:03
human
23:03
beings,
23:04
I
23:05
think.
23:05
And
23:06
those
23:06
are
23:06
some
23:06
of
23:06
my
23:07
favorite
23:07
stories
23:07
that
23:07
are
23:07
told
23:08
or
23:08
to
23:08
think
23:08
about,
23:09
imagine
23:09
myself
23:10
being
23:10
a
23:10
part
23:10
of.
23:11
Yeah,
23:11
yeah.
23:12
Ryan,
23:13
you
23:13
want
23:13
to
23:13
go
23:14
next?
23:14
What
23:15
draws
23:15
you
23:15
to
23:15
these
23:15
sci
23:16
fi,
23:16
horror.
23:16
Sci
23:16
fi
23:17
horror
23:17
kind
23:17
of
23:17
things?
23:18
Well,
23:18
I
23:18
mean,
23:18
originally
23:19
in
23:19
life,
23:19
I
23:20
mean,
23:20
Star
23:20
wars
23:21
was
23:21
my.
23:22
I
23:22
mean
23:23
Star
23:23
wars
23:23
was
23:23
my
23:24
entrance
23:25
into
23:25
sci
23:25
fi.
23:25
And
23:26
it
23:26
was,
23:26
I
23:26
think
23:26
the
23:26
optimism,
23:27
the
23:27
bright
23:28
lights,
23:28
the
23:28
exciting
23:29
characters,
23:29
the
23:29
uniqueness,
23:30
the
23:30
variety
23:31
of
23:32
it
23:32
drew
23:32
it
23:32
to
23:32
me
23:33
and
23:33
drew
23:33
myself
23:34
to
23:34
it.
23:34
But
23:35
now,
23:35
like
23:35
within
23:35
the
23:35
last
23:36
decade,
23:36
you,
23:37
you
23:37
mentioned,
23:37
like
23:38
sci
23:38
fi.
23:38
Horror
23:39
is
23:39
more
23:39
like
23:39
my
23:39
thing.
23:40
I
23:40
don't,
23:41
like,
23:41
I
23:41
didn't
23:42
grow
23:42
up.
23:42
I
23:42
don't
23:43
have
23:43
that
23:43
innate
23:43
like
23:44
love
23:44
of
23:44
horror
23:45
that
23:45
like
23:45
what
23:46
Leo,
23:46
what
23:46
Leah's
23:47
talking
23:47
about,
23:47
like,
23:48
you
23:48
know,
23:48
maybe
23:49
more
23:49
like
23:49
kind
23:49
of
23:50
down
23:50
to
23:50
earth
23:50
horror.
23:51
A
23:52
lot
23:52
of
23:52
my,
23:52
the
23:52
stuff
23:53
I
23:53
enjoy
23:53
is
23:54
the,
23:55
the.
23:55
The
23:56
deep
23:56
dark
23:57
out
23:57
there,
23:57
face
23:58
the
23:58
unknown.
23:59
What
23:59
is
23:59
out
23:59
there
23:59
kind
24:00
of
24:00
thing,
24:00
honestly,
24:00
to,
24:01
to,
24:02
to
24:02
echo
24:02
Pete
24:03
ends
24:03
from
24:03
last
24:03
year's
24:04
beer
24:04
camp.
24:04
Like,
24:05
when
24:05
I
24:05
look
24:05
up
24:05
at
24:05
the
24:06
stars,
24:06
I'm.
24:07
I'm
24:07
scared
24:07
out
24:08
of
24:08
my
24:08
mind.
24:09
And
24:09
meanwhile,
24:10
Iliadilia
24:10
is
24:11
like,
24:11
imagine
24:11
what
24:11
all's
24:12
out
24:12
there.
24:12
I'm
24:13
like,
24:13
yeah,
24:14
exactly.
24:15
Imagine
24:15
what
24:16
all's
24:16
out
24:16
there.
24:17
And
24:17
I
24:17
found,
24:18
I
24:18
found
24:18
that,
24:18
you
24:18
know,
24:19
people
24:19
that,
24:19
you
24:19
know,
24:19
maybe
24:19
listen
24:20
to
24:20
that
24:20
session
24:21
or
24:21
at
24:21
that
24:21
session
24:22
in
24:22
beer
24:22
camp,
24:22
I
24:23
found
24:23
that
24:23
juxtaposition
24:24
very
24:24
compelling
24:25
because
24:25
I
24:25
was
24:25
like,
24:25
oh,
24:26
am
24:26
I
24:26
team
24:26
Pete
24:27
or
24:27
team
24:27
Ilya?
24:29
I'm
24:29
Team
24:29
Pete.
24:30
Because
24:30
when
24:30
I
24:31
watch
24:31
like
24:32
my
24:32
favorite
24:32
science
24:33
fiction,
24:33
you
24:34
know,
24:34
franchise
24:35
as
24:35
an
24:35
adult
24:36
is
24:37
the
24:37
Alien
24:38
franchise,
24:38
when
24:39
I
24:39
look
24:39
up
24:40
at
24:40
the
24:40
stars,
24:40
I
24:41
think,
24:41
oh
24:41
my
24:42
God,
24:42
what
24:42
is
24:43
up
24:43
there?
24:44
Like,
24:45
maybe
24:45
nothing.
24:46
But
24:46
now
24:46
like
24:47
I'm
24:47
drawn
24:47
to
24:47
it
24:48
from
24:48
the
24:48
sense
24:48
of
24:49
like,
24:49
it
24:50
makes
24:50
me
24:50
think
24:50
about
24:51
life,
24:52
destruction.
24:53
Leah
24:53
and
24:53
I
24:54
talked
24:54
about
24:54
this
24:54
a
24:54
lot
24:55
in
24:55
our
24:56
panel
24:56
last
24:57
year.
24:57
This
24:57
idea
24:58
that
24:58
creation
24:59
and
24:59
destruction
25:00
are
25:00
kind
25:00
of
25:01
in
25:01
this
25:01
never
25:02
ending
25:03
cycle
25:03
of
25:04
we
25:04
create,
25:04
we
25:05
destroy,
25:05
we
25:05
create,
25:05
we
25:06
destroy.
25:06
And
25:06
then
25:06
somewhere
25:07
in
25:07
the
25:07
middle,
25:08
us
25:08
as
25:08
created
25:09
beings,
25:09
us
25:10
as
25:10
people
25:10
are
25:10
not
25:11
deities.
25:11
Like
25:11
we
25:12
love
25:12
to
25:12
try
25:12
and
25:13
play
25:13
God.
25:13
And
25:14
I
25:14
find
25:15
that
25:15
theme
25:15
within
25:16
science
25:16
fiction,
25:17
sci
25:17
fi,
25:17
horror,
25:17
cosmic
25:18
horror,
25:18
Lovecraftian
25:19
horror.
25:20
I
25:20
find
25:20
that
25:21
theme
25:22
incredibly
25:23
compelling.
25:23
Our
25:24
never
25:24
ending
25:25
obsession
25:26
with
25:26
playing
25:26
God
25:28
and
25:28
how
25:28
that
25:28
never
25:29
ends
25:29
well.
25:30
Like
25:30
it
25:31
never
25:31
does,
25:31
but
25:31
it
25:32
also
25:32
never
25:32
stops
25:33
us.
25:33
I
25:34
mean,
25:34
guys,
25:34
there
25:35
are
25:35
now
25:35
seven
25:36
Jurassic
25:37
park
25:37
movies.
25:38
Yeah,
25:40
creating
25:40
dinosaurs
25:41
was
25:41
always
25:41
a
25:42
bad
25:42
idea.
25:43
We
25:43
need
25:44
more.
25:45
Unless
25:45
you're.
25:46
Unless
25:46
you're
25:47
Spielberg's
25:48
wallet.
25:48
It
25:48
was
25:48
a
25:48
bad
25:49
idea.
25:49
No,
25:49
it's
25:49
so
25:49
funny
25:50
though.
25:50
It's
25:50
so
25:50
funny
25:51
because
25:52
the
25:52
same
25:52
reason
25:53
that
25:53
they
25:53
keep
25:53
trying
25:54
is
25:54
the
25:54
same
25:54
reason
25:55
that
25:55
they
25:55
keep
25:55
making
25:56
the
25:56
movies.
25:58
You're
25:58
right.
25:58
You're
25:58
entirely
25:59
right,
25:59
buddy.
26:01
Oh
26:01
man,
26:01
it's
26:02
very
26:02
funny.
26:02
Yeah,
26:03
I,
26:04
for
26:05
myself,
26:05
I'm
26:06
less
26:06
drawn
26:07
to
26:07
horror.
26:07
I
26:07
only
26:07
really
26:08
am
26:08
drawn
26:08
to
26:08
horror.
26:08
That
26:09
makes
26:09
me
26:09
think
26:09
about
26:09
myself.
26:10
If
26:10
I
26:10
read
26:10
like
26:11
Frankenstein
26:11
or
26:12
like
26:12
I
26:12
pick
26:12
watch
26:13
a
26:13
movie
26:13
and
26:13
it
26:13
makes
26:14
me
26:14
go,
26:14
am
26:15
I
26:15
the
26:15
monster?
26:15
I
26:16
love
26:16
it.
26:16
The
26:17
rest
26:17
of
26:17
horror,
26:17
I'm
26:17
like,
26:18
meh,
26:18
I
26:18
didn't
26:18
need
26:19
that.
26:19
You
26:19
are
26:20
also
26:20
sci
26:21
fi.
26:21
This
26:21
is
26:21
where
26:22
I'm
26:22
weirdly
26:22
not
26:23
Delia
26:23
or
26:24
Pete
26:24
ends
26:25
at
26:25
all.
26:25
Because
26:25
like
26:26
it
26:27
goes
26:27
back
26:27
to
26:27
my
26:27
favorite
26:28
song,
26:28
Passenger,
26:29
the
26:29
song
26:30
Home.
26:31
And
26:31
he
26:31
talks
26:31
about
26:31
like
26:32
when
26:32
I
26:32
get
26:32
overwhelmed,
26:32
I
26:33
like
26:33
to
26:33
think
26:33
I'm
26:33
a
26:33
break
26:33
in
26:34
the
26:34
wall
26:34
that's
26:34
going
26:35
like
26:35
from
26:35
here
26:35
to
26:35
the
26:35
ocean.
26:36
And
26:36
he's
26:36
like.
26:36
And
26:36
I
26:36
like
26:37
to
26:37
look
26:37
up
26:37
at
26:37
the
26:37
stars.
26:37
I'm
26:38
wondering
26:38
Is
26:38
something
26:38
staring
26:39
back
26:39
at
26:39
me.
26:39
And
26:40
for
26:40
me,
26:40
what
26:40
draws
26:41
me
26:41
to
26:41
sci
26:41
fi
26:41
is
26:41
like,
26:42
maybe
26:42
the
26:42
story
26:42
is
26:43
so
26:43
big
26:44
that
26:44
I
26:44
don't
26:44
need
26:44
to
26:45
feel
26:45
anxious
26:45
about
26:45
my
26:45
story
26:46
because
26:46
I'm
26:46
just
26:46
like
26:46
a
26:47
blip,
26:47
you
26:47
know,
26:48
like,
26:48
to
26:48
me,
26:48
that's
26:49
comforting,
26:49
but
26:49
I
26:49
understand
26:49
for
26:50
why
26:50
a
26:50
lot
26:50
of
26:50
people.
26:51
That's
26:51
terrifying.
26:53
But
26:54
yeah,
26:54
Leah,
26:55
same
26:55
thing.
26:56
What
26:56
draws
26:57
you
26:57
to
26:57
this?
26:58
I'm
26:58
reminded
26:58
about
26:58
the
26:59
Jurassic
26:59
park
26:59
that
26:59
made
27:00
me
27:00
giggle.
27:00
Ryan
27:00
is
27:01
when
27:02
I
27:02
was
27:02
there
27:02
at
27:03
Edinburgh,
27:04
we
27:04
would
27:04
always
27:04
have
27:05
these
27:05
sort
27:06
of
27:06
door
27:07
wars
27:07
with
27:08
the
27:08
science
27:09
people.
27:10
And
27:10
so
27:10
there's
27:10
a
27:11
little
27:11
thing
27:11
that
27:11
says
27:13
science.
27:15
Science
27:15
tells
27:16
you
27:16
what
27:16
you
27:16
can
27:17
do,
27:17
humanity
27:18
tells
27:18
you
27:18
why
27:18
it
27:18
might
27:19
be
27:19
a
27:19
bad
27:19
idea.
27:21
Exactly.
27:22
Yeah.
27:23
Perfect.
27:25
I
27:25
think
27:25
for
27:25
me
27:26
and
27:26
Ryan
27:27
and
27:27
I
27:27
talked
27:27
about
27:27
this
27:28
a
27:28
bit
27:29
at
27:29
the
27:29
geek
27:29
stages
27:30
that
27:31
I
27:31
find
27:32
a
27:32
lot
27:32
of
27:32
the
27:33
sort
27:33
of
27:33
formulaic.
27:34
A
27:34
lot
27:34
of
27:34
people,
27:35
like
27:35
Christy,
27:36
who
27:36
is
27:37
my
27:37
podcast
27:37
partner,
27:38
Theology
27:38
on
27:38
the
27:38
Rocks,
27:38
loves
27:39
formulaic
27:40
shows.
27:41
So
27:41
she
27:41
goes
27:42
to
27:42
sleep
27:43
watching
27:43
Criminal
27:44
Minds.
27:44
That's
27:45
like
27:45
her
27:45
thing
27:46
because
27:46
it
27:46
always
27:47
follows
27:47
the
27:47
same
27:48
formula.
27:49
And
27:49
for
27:49
me,
27:50
like,
27:50
I.
27:51
I'm
27:52
not
27:52
trying
27:52
to
27:52
sound
27:53
hipster,
27:53
although
27:54
it's
27:54
going
27:54
to
27:54
come
27:54
across
27:55
that
27:55
way.
27:55
And
27:55
I
27:55
guess
27:55
we
27:55
all
27:56
inherently
27:56
are,
27:57
is
27:57
I
27:57
actually
27:57
get
27:58
really
27:58
bored
27:58
with
27:59
that.
27:59
I
27:59
don't
28:00
like
28:00
that
28:01
formula.
28:02
And
28:02
maybe
28:02
that's
28:02
why
28:02
I
28:02
became
28:03
a
28:03
theologian
28:03
is
28:03
we
28:04
don't
28:04
know
28:04
what
28:04
the
28:04
heck's
28:05
going
28:05
on,
28:05
and
28:05
we're
28:05
just
28:06
living
28:06
in
28:06
this
28:06
world.
28:07
And
28:08
so
28:08
for
28:08
me,
28:09
horror
28:09
is
28:10
a
28:10
place
28:10
where
28:10
I
28:10
can
28:11
go
28:11
and
28:11
I
28:11
don't
28:11
know
28:12
the
28:12
ending.
28:12
Like
28:13
sinners
28:13
will.
28:14
As
28:14
soon
28:14
as
28:15
the
28:15
thing
28:15
happened
28:16
that
28:16
was
28:16
revealed,
28:18
not
28:18
to
28:18
spoil
28:18
it
28:18
was
28:19
like,
28:19
I'm
28:19
not
28:19
gonna
28:20
spoil
28:20
it.
28:20
I
28:20
just
28:20
said,
28:21
there's
28:21
a
28:21
revelation.
28:21
At
28:22
some
28:22
stage,
28:22
I
28:23
was
28:23
like,
28:24
what?
28:25
What?
28:27
You
28:27
know,
28:27
and
28:27
it
28:27
didn't.
28:28
I
28:28
know.
28:28
And
28:29
it
28:29
still
28:29
surprised
28:29
me.
28:30
Whereas,
28:30
like,
28:31
when
28:31
I
28:31
watch
28:32
some
28:32
shows,
28:33
whether
28:33
they
28:33
be
28:34
crime
28:34
shows
28:34
or,
28:35
you
28:35
know,
28:35
whatever.
28:36
Friends.
28:36
Some
28:36
people
28:37
love
28:37
to
28:37
watch
28:37
Friends
28:37
a
28:38
million
28:38
times,
28:39
to
28:39
me,
28:39
it's.
28:39
It's
28:40
kind
28:40
of
28:40
boring.
28:40
And
28:41
I
28:41
don't
28:41
really,
28:41
like.
28:42
I
28:42
want
28:42
a
28:43
moment
28:43
where
28:43
an
28:44
M.
28:44
Night
28:44
Shyamala
28:45
moment.
28:46
Rip.
28:47
He
28:47
did
28:47
it.
28:47
He
28:47
got.
28:48
He
28:48
got
28:48
one
28:48
good
28:48
one
28:48
in
28:49
there.
28:49
But
28:50
for
28:50
a
28:50
brief
28:50
second,
28:51
I
28:51
was.
28:51
Like,
28:51
did
28:51
he
28:51
die
28:52
and
28:52
I
28:52
did
28:52
not
28:52
know?
28:53
No,
28:53
he
28:54
died.
28:54
He
28:55
died
28:55
to
28:55
me.
28:56
Around
28:56
the
28:57
Signs
28:58
era.
28:58
He
28:59
died
28:59
to
28:59
me.
29:00
Yeah.
29:00
As
29:01
soon
29:01
as
29:01
they
29:01
showed
29:01
those
29:01
aliens.
29:02
And
29:02
I
29:02
was
29:02
like,
29:03
maybe
29:04
not.
29:04
I.
29:05
Like,
29:05
maybe
29:05
not
29:06
the
29:06
whole
29:07
time.
29:07
Really?
29:07
They're
29:08
real
29:08
skinny.
29:08
They
29:09
could
29:09
beat
29:09
Charger
29:09
Banks
29:10
at
29:10
basketball.
29:12
But,
29:12
yeah,
29:12
I
29:13
think
29:13
that's
29:13
the
29:13
thing,
29:13
is
29:13
it
29:14
hits
29:14
a
29:14
Certain
29:14
group
29:14
of
29:15
people,
29:15
I
29:15
think,
29:15
who
29:16
like
29:16
to
29:17
not
29:17
go
29:17
on
29:17
a
29:18
journey.
29:18
They
29:18
don't
29:18
want
29:18
to
29:19
go
29:19
on
29:19
a
29:19
journey.
29:19
They
29:19
want
29:19
the
29:20
journey
29:20
blown
29:20
up
29:21
and
29:21
exploded
29:21
and
29:22
a
29:22
little
29:22
chaos
29:23
attached
29:23
to
29:24
it.
29:24
And
29:24
I
29:24
think,
29:25
to
29:26
me,
29:26
I
29:26
find
29:27
that
29:27
super
29:27
interesting.
29:28
I
29:28
don't
29:28
want
29:28
to
29:29
know
29:29
how
29:29
it
29:29
ends,
29:30
you
29:30
know,
29:32
and
29:32
we
29:33
can
29:33
psychoanalyze
29:34
that.
29:34
But
29:35
spoilers.
29:35
You
29:36
don't
29:36
like
29:36
spoilers.
29:37
I
29:37
don't
29:38
like
29:38
spoilers.
29:39
Yeah,
29:39
me
29:40
neither.
29:40
No,
29:40
I'm
29:41
good.
29:42
I
29:42
mean,
29:42
I
29:43
don't
29:43
care
29:43
either
29:44
way
29:44
because,
29:45
like,
29:45
typically
29:46
when
29:46
someone
29:46
spoils
29:47
something,
29:48
I'm
29:48
just
29:48
so
29:48
bad
29:48
at
29:49
interpreting
29:49
what
29:49
people
29:49
say
29:50
that
29:50
I
29:50
still
29:50
don't
29:50
expect
29:51
the
29:51
correct
29:51
thing
29:52
that
29:52
happens.
29:54
Joshua
29:54
Darth
29:54
Vader
29:55
is
29:55
Luke
29:56
Skywalker's
29:56
father.
29:57
Yeah.
29:57
Like,
29:57
someone
29:58
will
29:58
tell
29:58
me
29:58
that.
30:00
I'll
30:00
watch
30:00
it
30:00
and
30:00
I'll
30:01
be
30:01
like,
30:01
oh.
30:01
They
30:01
meant,
30:02
like,
30:02
literally
30:02
his
30:02
father.
30:03
I
30:03
thought
30:03
this
30:03
was
30:03
gonna
30:04
be
30:04
like,
30:04
he's
30:04
a
30:04
mentor.
30:04
Kind
30:04
of
30:05
like
30:05
a
30:05
cool
30:05
uncle
30:06
energy.
30:08
Yeah.
30:09
Yes.
30:10
So
30:11
we're
30:11
gonna
30:12
list
30:12
our
30:12
favorite
30:12
3
30:12
to
30:12
5,
30:13
because
30:14
no
30:14
one
30:14
here
30:14
knows
30:15
how
30:15
to
30:15
keep
30:15
it
30:15
short
30:15
and
30:16
sweet.
30:17
Horror
30:18
stories
30:18
or
30:18
sci
30:18
fi
30:19
stories,
30:19
starting
30:20
with
30:20
Joshua.
30:20
So
30:20
we
30:20
can
30:21
discuss
30:21
what
30:21
themes
30:21
they
30:22
may
30:22
have
30:22
in
30:22
common
30:22
with
30:23
or
30:23
what
30:23
differentiates
30:24
them
30:24
from
30:25
one
30:25
another.
30:26
Coming
30:27
up
30:27
with
30:27
favorites
30:27
is
30:28
hard.
30:29
You
30:29
wrote
30:29
the
30:29
question.
30:30
Yeah.
30:30
Dead
30:31
space
30:31
has
30:31
to
30:31
be
30:31
up
30:32
there.
30:32
For
30:32
me.
30:33
The
30:33
dead
30:33
space
30:33
story
30:34
is
30:34
just
30:34
fantastic.
30:35
I
30:36
think
30:36
it's
30:36
sci
30:36
fi
30:36
and
30:36
horror,
30:37
so
30:37
it
30:37
counts
30:37
as
30:37
both.
30:38
Obviously,
30:39
Doctor
30:39
who
30:39
is
30:39
one
30:39
of
30:40
my
30:40
favorites.
30:40
Star
30:40
wars
30:40
is
30:41
probably
30:41
up
30:41
there.
30:42
If
30:42
I
30:42
got
30:43
two
30:43
more
30:43
to
30:43
pick,
30:43
I
30:43
probably
30:44
go
30:44
with
30:44
Frankenstein.
30:45
Frankenstein's
30:46
great.
30:47
G.
30:48
Willow
30:48
Wilson's
30:50
sci
30:50
fi
30:50
trilogy
30:51
comics.
30:53
Phenomenal.
30:54
So
30:55
I
30:55
probably
30:55
have
30:55
to
30:56
go
30:56
with
30:56
those
30:56
two.
30:57
You
30:57
bewitch
30:57
me.
30:58
So
30:58
with
30:58
the
30:58
G.
30:59
Willow
30:59
Wilson
30:59
reference.
31:02
Ryan
31:02
and
31:02
I
31:02
are
31:02
now
31:03
going
31:03
to
31:03
go
31:03
off
31:03
and
31:03
record
31:03
a
31:04
different
31:04
podcast.
31:05
Darn
31:05
right
31:05
we
31:05
are.
31:06
Ryan,
31:06
though,
31:06
if
31:06
you
31:06
had.
31:07
If
31:07
you
31:07
had
31:07
to
31:07
pick
31:07
three
31:08
to
31:08
five,
31:08
though,
31:08
what
31:08
are.
31:09
What
31:09
are.
31:09
Like,
31:09
I
31:10
don't
31:10
know
31:10
your
31:10
top
31:11
from
31:11
these
31:11
genres.
31:11
Josh.
31:12
Right
31:12
here,
31:12
I'll
31:13
get.
31:13
I'll
31:13
give
31:13
you
31:13
my
31:13
three
31:14
to
31:14
five.
31:14
The
31:14
ones
31:14
that
31:15
I
31:15
can
31:15
think
31:15
of
31:15
off
31:15
top
31:15
my
31:16
head.
31:16
Yeah.
31:17
So
31:18
Alien.
31:19
Alien
31:20
is
31:20
a.
31:21
The
31:21
first
31:21
two
31:22
movies
31:22
are
31:22
perfect.
31:23
Is
31:23
that
31:23
all
31:24
five?
31:25
Romulus
31:25
is
31:26
incredible.
31:27
I
31:28
can
31:28
only
31:28
imagine.
31:29
I've
31:29
been
31:29
sending
31:29
Leah
31:30
alien
31:30
Earth
31:31
stuff
31:31
for
31:32
months,
31:32
and
31:33
I
31:33
cannot
31:33
wait
31:34
for
31:34
August
31:34
12th.
31:37
That
31:38
show
31:38
is
31:38
gonna
31:38
kick
31:39
so
31:39
much.
31:40
We
31:40
all
31:40
knew
31:42
the
31:42
Predator
31:43
franchise.
31:43
I
31:43
know
31:43
some
31:44
people
31:44
consider
31:44
them
31:44
together.
31:46
The
31:46
Predator.
31:47
The
31:47
first
31:47
Predator
31:47
movie
31:48
is
31:48
an
31:48
incredible
31:49
piece
31:49
of
31:50
action,
31:50
but
31:50
it's
31:51
also
31:51
an
31:51
incredible
31:51
piece
31:52
of
31:52
tension
31:53
to
31:54
be
31:54
like,
31:54
what
31:54
does
31:55
it
31:55
feel
31:55
like
31:55
for
31:55
the
31:55
hunters
31:56
to
31:56
be
31:56
hunted?
31:58
And
31:58
if
31:58
anyone
31:59
out
31:59
there
31:59
has
31:59
not
32:00
seen
32:00
the
32:00
Hulu
32:02
Show,
32:02
Killer
32:03
of
32:03
Killers,
32:04
it
32:04
is
32:04
the
32:04
lead
32:04
in
32:05
to
32:05
Predator
32:06
Badlands
32:06
and
32:07
Killer
32:07
of
32:07
Killers
32:08
kicks
32:08
so
32:09
much
32:09
my.
32:10
My
32:10
butt
32:10
was.
32:11
Was
32:11
hurt
32:12
afterwards.
32:14
So
32:15
other
32:15
things
32:16
outside
32:16
of
32:16
that,
32:16
like
32:17
John
32:17
Carpenter's
32:18
the
32:18
Thing
32:19
is
32:20
exquisite
32:23
cosmic
32:23
horror.
32:24
It
32:24
is
32:24
probably
32:25
the
32:25
best
32:25
piece
32:26
of
32:26
cosmic
32:26
horror
32:27
you
32:27
could.
32:28
You
32:28
could
32:28
convince
32:29
me
32:29
to
32:29
maybe
32:30
put
32:30
some
32:30
things
32:30
at
32:31
2
32:31
and
32:31
3
32:32
for
32:32
ranking
32:32
them.
32:33
But
32:33
the
32:33
thing
32:34
is
32:34
perfect.
32:36
I
32:36
mean,
32:36
I
32:36
love
32:36
Star
32:37
Wars.
32:37
I
32:37
started
32:37
off
32:38
watching
32:38
Star
32:39
wars,
32:39
renting
32:40
VHS
32:40
from
32:41
the
32:41
library
32:41
and
32:42
just
32:42
cycling
32:42
through
32:43
them.
32:43
I
32:43
saw
32:44
Phantom
32:44
when
32:44
I
32:44
was
32:45
nine.
32:45
I
32:45
was
32:45
the
32:46
perfect
32:46
age
32:46
for
32:47
Phantom
32:47
Menace.
32:48
And
32:49
I
32:49
love
32:49
Star
32:50
wars
32:50
so
32:50
much.
32:51
I
32:51
am
32:51
actually
32:52
going
32:52
to
32:52
just
32:52
be
32:53
a
32:54
little.
32:55
A
32:55
little
32:55
timely
32:56
here.
32:56
Jurassic
32:57
park,
32:57
like,
32:57
I
32:58
already
32:58
said
32:58
it,
32:58
like,
32:59
yeah,
32:59
the
32:59
concept
33:00
of
33:00
playing
33:01
God
33:01
and
33:01
not
33:02
learning
33:02
your
33:03
freaking
33:03
lesson,
33:04
like,
33:05
the
33:05
idea
33:05
that
33:06
capitalism
33:07
and
33:07
the
33:07
desire
33:07
for
33:08
money
33:08
is
33:09
so
33:09
intrinsically
33:10
in
33:11
us
33:11
to
33:12
put
33:12
other
33:12
people
33:13
at
33:13
risk
33:13
and
33:13
in
33:14
harm
33:14
so
33:14
that
33:15
we
33:15
can
33:15
benefit
33:16
ourselves
33:17
is
33:17
so
33:17
like,
33:17
it's
33:18
a
33:18
predator.
33:18
Like,
33:19
as
33:19
predatory,
33:19
like,
33:20
as
33:20
predator.
33:21
It's
33:21
like
33:22
it
33:22
hunts
33:22
you
33:22
down
33:23
like
33:23
a
33:23
T.
33:23
Rex
33:23
and
33:23
eat
33:23
you.
33:24
All
33:24
I'm
33:24
saying
33:25
is
33:25
John
33:25
Hammond
33:26
did
33:26
not
33:26
have
33:26
to
33:27
make
33:28
theme
33:29
park
33:29
rides
33:30
out
33:30
of,
33:30
you
33:30
know,
33:30
living
33:31
predators,
33:32
but
33:32
he
33:33
did
33:33
it
33:33
anyway.
33:34
The
33:34
last
33:35
one,
33:35
I
33:35
will
33:35
actually
33:36
just
33:36
jump
33:36
on
33:37
to
33:37
what
33:37
Joshua
33:38
said.
33:38
Not
33:39
only
33:39
is
33:39
Mary
33:39
Shelley's
33:40
Frankenstein
33:41
incredible,
33:42
the
33:43
perspective,
33:44
the
33:44
perspective
33:45
of
33:45
the
33:45
monster
33:46
discovering
33:47
what
33:47
humanity
33:48
is
33:48
and
33:48
what
33:48
does
33:49
it
33:49
actually
33:49
mean
33:50
to
33:50
be
33:50
human?
33:50
Do
33:51
I
33:51
get
33:51
to
33:51
count
33:52
as
33:52
a
33:52
human?
33:53
Even
33:53
though
33:53
I.
33:53
I
33:54
am
33:54
a
33:54
quote
33:55
created
33:55
being.
33:56
But
33:57
also,
33:57
I
33:57
highly
33:58
recommend
33:58
James
33:59
Whale's
33:59
original
34:00
Frankenstein
34:01
with
34:01
Karloff.
34:02
Boris
34:02
Karloff
34:03
is
34:03
a.
34:03
Is
34:04
a.
34:04
A
34:05
rabbit
34:05
trail
34:06
that
34:06
I
34:06
will
34:07
gladly
34:07
go
34:07
down
34:08
with
34:09
anybody
34:09
if
34:09
you
34:10
got
34:10
the
34:10
time.
34:10
I.
34:10
Karloff
34:11
is
34:11
kind
34:11
of
34:11
like
34:12
a.
34:12
A
34:12
little
34:13
mental
34:13
side
34:13
project
34:14
for
34:14
me
34:14
all
34:15
the
34:15
time,
34:15
but
34:16
the
34:16
Bride
34:16
of
34:16
Frankenstein
34:18
is.
34:19
It's
34:19
so
34:19
good.
34:20
Like,
34:20
that's
34:21
all
34:21
I
34:21
can
34:21
say
34:21
about
34:21
that
34:22
classic
34:22
horror.
34:23
And
34:23
I
34:23
know,
34:23
I
34:23
know,
34:24
like,
34:24
someone
34:24
out
34:24
there
34:24
is,
34:25
like,
34:25
really?
34:25
You
34:26
just
34:26
gave
34:26
a
34:27
lot
34:27
of
34:27
the.
34:27
The
34:27
basic,
34:28
you
34:28
know,
34:28
basic
34:29
girl
34:29
answers
34:29
for
34:29
sci
34:30
fi.
34:30
There's
34:30
a
34:31
reason
34:31
why
34:31
they're
34:31
great,
34:31
because
34:32
they're
34:32
great.
34:32
The
34:33
reason
34:33
why
34:33
they're
34:33
classics,
34:34
because
34:34
they're
34:34
classics.
34:34
Oh,
34:35
the
34:35
basic
34:35
human
34:36
response
34:36
if
34:36
I
34:37
edit
34:37
it
34:37
ever
34:37
so
34:38
slightly.
34:39
Right.
34:41
Response.
34:43
Well,
34:43
he
34:44
wanted
34:44
to
34:44
say
34:44
a
34:45
different
34:45
word.
34:46
I
34:46
know.
34:49
Language
34:49
matters.
34:50
Language
34:50
matters.
34:52
I'm
34:52
unmuted
34:53
so
34:53
I
34:53
can
34:53
go,
34:53
this
34:54
is
34:54
an
34:54
impossible
34:54
question.
34:55
So
34:55
it'll
34:55
just
34:56
be,
34:56
what's
34:56
at
34:56
the
34:57
top
34:57
of
34:57
my
34:57
head
34:57
right
34:57
now.
34:58
Scream
34:58
is
34:59
my
34:59
favorite
34:59
all
34:59
time
35:00
horror.
35:01
Yeah.
35:01
The
35:02
first
35:02
original
35:02
Scream
35:03
and
35:04
it
35:04
sort
35:04
of
35:04
plays
35:04
into
35:05
the
35:05
reasoning.
35:05
Why
35:06
I
35:06
said
35:06
at
35:06
the
35:06
beginning
35:07
is
35:07
that
35:07
you
35:07
had
35:07
no
35:08
idea
35:08
as
35:08
soon
35:08
as
35:08
Drew
35:09
beer.
35:09
They
35:09
put
35:09
Drew
35:09
Barrymore's
35:10
face
35:12
straight
35:12
on
35:12
a
35:13
huge.
35:13
On
35:13
that
35:14
poster
35:15
and
35:15
we
35:15
all.
35:16
I'm
35:16
not
35:16
even
35:16
gonna
35:17
say
35:17
this
35:17
is
35:17
a
35:17
spoiler.
35:17
It's
35:18
the
35:18
90s.
35:18
Come
35:18
on,
35:18
y'
35:19
all,
35:19
catch
35:19
up.
35:19
She
35:20
dies
35:20
within
35:20
like
35:20
the
35:21
first
35:21
two
35:21
seconds
35:21
of
35:22
that
35:22
film.
35:22
Like
35:23
fantastic.
35:24
Then
35:24
that
35:24
I
35:25
realized
35:25
with
35:25
this
35:25
franchise
35:26
anything
35:27
can
35:27
happen
35:28
and
35:28
you
35:28
never
35:29
know
35:29
who
35:30
the
35:31
bad
35:31
guy
35:31
is
35:32
or
35:33
people
35:33
are
35:35
or
35:35
girly
35:36
in
35:36
some
35:36
cases.
35:39
So
35:39
that
35:39
would
35:39
be
35:40
number
35:40
one
35:40
for
35:40
me.
35:40
I
35:40
do
35:40
love
35:41
that
35:41
genre.
35:42
I
35:43
will
35:43
say
35:44
I
35:44
love
35:44
Jordan
35:45
Peele
35:45
and
35:45
all
35:46
that
35:46
he
35:46
does
35:46
that
35:47
I
35:47
have
35:47
seen.
35:48
And
35:49
I
35:49
think
35:49
get
35:49
out
35:50
is.
35:51
Was
35:51
a
35:52
wild
35:52
ride.
35:53
And
35:53
if
35:53
you've
35:53
not
35:54
seen,
35:54
I
35:54
don't
35:54
even
35:54
know
35:55
how
35:55
to
35:55
spoil
35:56
that
35:56
movie.
35:56
It's
35:56
just
35:56
a
35:57
wild
35:57
ride
35:57
through
35:58
and
35:58
through.
35:59
And
36:00
us
36:00
as
36:00
well.
36:01
I
36:01
would
36:01
say
36:01
Those
36:01
are
36:01
my
36:02
2
36:02
favorite
36:02
of
36:02
hits.
36:03
So
36:03
definitely
36:03
that.
36:06
I
36:07
also
36:08
really,
36:09
really
36:09
love
36:10
Doctor
36:10
who
36:11
as
36:11
well,
36:11
I
36:12
will
36:12
say
36:14
and
36:14
for
36:15
sci
36:15
fi
36:15
purposes
36:16
because
36:17
it
36:17
was
36:17
really
36:17
a
36:17
thing
36:18
that
36:18
comforted
36:18
me
36:19
being
36:19
an
36:19
expat
36:20
in
36:20
the
36:20
uk
36:22
and
36:22
also,
36:23
much
36:23
like
36:24
Michael
36:24
Fassbender,
36:24
we
36:25
can
36:25
all
36:25
take
36:25
a
36:25
moment
36:25
of
36:26
silence
36:26
for
36:26
David
36:27
Tennant
36:28
and
36:28
everything
36:29
that
36:29
you're
36:29
feeling
36:29
is
36:29
valid,
36:30
as
36:30
Ryan
36:30
said.
36:32
Yes,
36:32
absolutely.
36:33
He's
36:34
an
36:34
amazing
36:34
human
36:35
in
36:35
always.
36:35
I
36:36
will
36:36
leave
36:36
it
36:36
at
36:36
that.
36:38
Star
36:38
Wars
36:39
I
36:39
was
36:39
introduced
36:40
to
36:40
later.
36:40
And
36:41
of
36:41
course
36:41
that's,
36:41
that's
36:42
that.
36:42
And
36:42
I
36:42
would
36:43
if
36:43
we're
36:43
talking
36:43
about
36:44
as
36:44
Hassel
36:45
and
36:45
Haunted
36:45
Hill
36:46
is
36:46
a
36:46
good
36:46
show.
36:46
But
36:47
I
36:47
will
36:47
say
36:47
if
36:47
you're
36:48
into
36:48
the
36:48
horror
36:49
world,
36:49
dig
36:49
into
36:50
the
36:50
works
36:50
of
36:50
Shirley
36:51
Jackson.
36:52
She
36:53
has
36:53
a
36:53
biography
36:53
called
36:55
A
36:55
Haunted
36:55
Life
36:56
because
36:56
her
36:56
life
36:57
she
36:57
wrote
36:58
the
36:59
Haunting
36:59
of
36:59
Hill
36:59
House.
37:00
But
37:00
also
37:00
her
37:01
life
37:01
is.
37:01
Is
37:02
a
37:02
sad,
37:02
wild
37:03
ride.
37:03
And
37:03
it
37:04
does
37:04
kind
37:04
of
37:04
connect
37:04
back
37:05
to
37:05
the
37:05
theology
37:05
of
37:06
it
37:06
is
37:06
that
37:07
she
37:07
wrote
37:07
from
37:08
her
37:08
experiences
37:08
and
37:09
what
37:09
she
37:09
thought
37:09
was
37:10
horrific.
37:11
But
37:11
you
37:11
can
37:12
totally
37:12
tie
37:12
it
37:13
back
37:13
to
37:15
real
37:15
life
37:15
stuff
37:16
that
37:16
probably
37:16
happened
37:17
in
37:17
her
37:17
own
37:17
life.
37:18
Yeah.
37:18
All
37:19
right.
37:19
So
37:21
yeah,
37:21
yeah,
37:22
I'll
37:22
be
37:22
fast.
37:22
Like
37:23
I,
37:23
I
37:23
combine
37:24
sci
37:24
fi
37:24
and
37:24
horror.
37:24
Like
37:24
if
37:25
you're
37:25
doing
37:25
separate,
37:25
there's
37:26
different
37:26
things.
37:26
Like
37:26
I
37:26
love
37:26
to
37:26
get
37:27
out.
37:28
I
37:28
love
37:28
Sinners.
37:29
I
37:29
love
37:29
those,
37:30
those
37:31
horror
37:31
movies.
37:31
But.
37:31
And
37:32
of
37:32
course
37:32
Star
37:32
wars
37:33
sci
37:33
fi.
37:33
But
37:33
if
37:33
we're
37:33
going
37:33
to
37:33
combine
37:34
the
37:34
two,
37:34
then
37:34
definitely
37:35
Alien
37:36
Predator
37:36
franchise.
37:37
I
37:37
also
37:37
thought
37:38
of
37:38
like
37:38
the
37:39
Godzilla
37:39
Kaiju,
37:40
like
37:40
horror
37:41
kind
37:41
of
37:41
sci
37:41
fi
37:42
element.
37:42
This
37:42
whole
37:43
idea
37:43
of
37:43
like
37:43
a
37:43
monster
37:44
emerging
37:44
out
37:45
of
37:45
the
37:45
sea
37:45
to
37:46
us
37:46
that
37:46
we're
37:47
somewhat
37:47
responsible
37:48
of
37:48
or
37:48
for
37:49
living
37:50
on
37:50
the
37:50
beach
37:50
and
37:52
here
37:52
in
37:52
the
37:52
ocean
37:52
outside
37:53
my
37:53
window.
37:53
As
37:53
a
37:53
kid,
37:53
I
37:54
would
37:54
often
37:54
have
37:54
nightmares
37:55
of
37:55
like
37:55
monsters
37:55
come
37:56
in
37:56
the
37:56
ocean
37:56
before
37:56
I
37:56
even
37:56
saw
37:57
any
37:57
Godzilla
37:58
film.
37:58
But
37:59
sometimes
37:59
could
37:59
be
37:59
campy
38:00
and
38:00
silly,
38:00
but.
38:01
But
38:01
just
38:01
the
38:01
fact
38:01
of
38:01
like
38:02
some
38:02
big
38:02
monster
38:02
emerging
38:03
out
38:03
of
38:03
the
38:03
ocean
38:03
to
38:04
stop
38:04
cities,
38:05
people
38:05
freak
38:06
me
38:06
out.
38:07
I'll
38:07
also
38:08
add
38:08
Event
38:08
Horizon,
38:09
1997's
38:10
event.
38:10
Right,
38:10
which
38:11
is
38:11
basically
38:11
a
38:11
haunted
38:11
house
38:12
story
38:12
except
38:12
on
38:12
a
38:12
spaceship
38:13
in
38:13
outer
38:13
space.
38:14
And
38:14
man,
38:15
that.
38:15
That
38:15
movie
38:16
messed
38:16
with
38:17
me
38:17
big
38:17
time.
38:18
And
38:18
then
38:18
I
38:19
love.
38:19
I
38:19
love
38:19
the
38:19
Terminator
38:20
series.
38:20
You
38:21
know,
38:21
the
38:21
AI
38:21
coming
38:22
back,
38:22
the
38:22
robots
38:23
taking
38:23
over.
38:23
I
38:24
at
38:24
first
38:25
Terminator
38:25
when
38:26
I
38:26
was
38:26
a
38:26
kid
38:26
watching
38:27
to
38:27
also
38:28
mess
38:28
with
38:28
the
38:28
head
38:28
a
38:28
little
38:28
bit.
38:29
So
38:29
those
38:29
are
38:29
the
38:29
ones
38:29
I
38:29
would
38:29
lift
38:30
up
38:31
in
38:31
the
38:31
genre.
38:32
All
38:32
right,
38:32
all
38:33
right.
38:34
I
38:34
do
38:34
get
38:34
a
38:34
turn.
38:35
Josh
38:35
gets
38:35
turned.
38:36
Right.
38:36
So
38:37
yeah,
38:37
I'm
38:37
gonna
38:38
make.
38:41
In
38:41
no
38:41
particular.
38:42
No,
38:42
I'm
38:42
gonna
38:42
do
38:42
it
38:42
in
38:42
order.
38:43
Fallout,
38:44
Star
38:44
Wars,
38:44
Dune,
38:46
Blame
38:46
by
38:47
Tsutomu
38:48
Nihei.
38:48
Great
38:49
manga,
38:50
beautiful
38:50
manga.
38:51
Horrifying
38:52
mega
38:52
structures.
38:53
If
38:53
part
38:54
of
38:54
the
38:54
sci
38:54
fi
38:54
you
38:54
like
38:55
is
38:55
big,
38:55
unbelievably
38:56
huge
38:57
cities
38:58
and
38:58
structures,
39:00
that's
39:00
the
39:00
peak
39:01
of
39:01
what
39:01
exists
39:01
right
39:02
now.
39:03
And
39:04
sunshine.
39:05
Is
39:05
it
39:05
David
39:06
Lynch,
39:06
Dune
39:07
or
39:07
new
39:07
Dune?
39:08
Both.
39:09
All
39:09
Dune
39:10
except
39:12
Brian
39:12
Herbert's
39:12
son.
39:13
That
39:14
guy
39:14
can't
39:14
write.
39:16
That
39:16
guy
39:16
cannot
39:17
write
39:18
at
39:18
all.
39:19
Nice
39:19
call.
39:19
Good
39:19
pull.
39:22
Josh.
39:23
Did
39:23
you
39:23
already
39:24
go?
39:24
Yeah,
39:24
I
39:24
already
39:25
went.
39:25
I
39:25
blacked
39:25
out
39:25
when
39:26
that
39:26
happened.
39:28
I
39:28
will
39:28
say,
39:28
because
39:29
everybody
39:29
else
39:29
elaborated
39:30
theirs.
39:30
Oh,
39:31
sorry.
39:31
No,
39:31
I'm
39:32
sorry.
39:32
I
39:32
just
39:32
want
39:32
to
39:33
add
39:33
to.
39:33
I
39:34
do
39:34
love
39:34
David
39:34
lynch,
39:34
so
39:35
Twin
39:35
Peaks
39:35
and
39:35
everything
39:36
David
39:36
lynch
39:36
does
39:38
and
39:38
genuine
39:39
rap.
39:39
Twin
39:40
Peaks
39:40
is
39:40
so
39:40
good.
39:41
So
39:41
good.
39:42
No,
39:42
I
39:42
was
39:43
going
39:43
to
39:43
say
39:43
since
39:43
everybody
39:43
else
39:43
elaborated
39:44
on
39:44
their
39:44
song
39:44
and
39:44
I
39:45
didn't
39:45
really
39:45
on
39:45
mine.
39:45
I
39:46
will
39:46
say
39:46
part
39:46
of
39:46
why
39:46
I
39:46
love
39:47
Invisible
39:47
Kingdom
39:47
with
39:47
G.
39:48
Willow
39:48
Wilson
39:49
goes
39:49
back
39:49
to
39:49
that
39:49
whole
39:50
story
39:50
bigger
39:51
than
39:51
myself.
39:51
It's
39:51
like,
39:52
what
39:52
do
39:52
you
39:52
do
39:52
with
39:53
the
39:53
other?
39:53
That's
39:53
a
39:54
lot
39:54
of
39:54
what
39:54
sci
39:54
fi
39:54
is.
39:54
You're
39:55
meeting
39:55
these
39:55
other
39:55
alien
39:55
races
39:56
and
39:56
what
39:56
is
39:56
human?
39:56
What
39:57
do
39:57
you
39:57
do
39:57
with
39:57
the
39:57
other?
39:58
And
39:58
Invisible
39:58
Kingdom
39:59
does
39:59
this
39:59
cool
39:59
thing
39:59
where
39:59
you
39:59
meet
40:00
the
40:00
other
40:00
and
40:00
it's
40:00
like,
40:00
hey,
40:01
this
40:01
species
40:01
has
40:02
seven
40:02
different
40:02
genders.
40:03
Or
40:03
this
40:03
species
40:03
has
40:04
this
40:04
religious
40:04
following
40:06
and
40:06
ask
40:06
what
40:07
do
40:07
you
40:07
do
40:07
with
40:07
the
40:07
other
40:07
when
40:07
they're
40:08
so
40:08
different
40:09
from
40:09
you
40:09
that
40:09
it
40:09
forces
40:10
you
40:10
to
40:11
accept
40:11
that
40:12
the
40:12
binary
40:12
structures
40:13
maybe
40:13
you
40:14
created
40:14
for
40:14
yourself
40:15
just
40:15
aren't
40:16
real?
40:17
And
40:17
that's
40:17
what's
40:17
Such
40:18
a
40:18
powerful
40:18
writing.
40:18
Good
40:19
comment.
40:19
What
40:19
was
40:19
that
40:19
movie
40:20
about
40:20
South
40:20
Africa
40:21
where
40:21
the
40:21
aliens
40:22
came
40:22
and
40:22
they
40:22
put
40:23
them
40:23
in,
40:23
like.
40:24
I
40:24
don't
40:24
know
40:24
this
40:24
one.
40:25
They.
40:25
You
40:25
remember,
40:25
they
40:26
put
40:26
them
40:26
in
40:26
these
40:26
shacks
40:27
and
40:27
they
40:27
separated
40:28
them.
40:28
And
40:28
it
40:28
was
40:28
a
40:28
real
40:29
play
40:29
on
40:29
kind
40:29
of
40:30
what
40:30
you're
40:30
talking
40:30
about,
40:30
Josh.
40:30
It
40:30
was
40:30
a
40:31
real
40:31
play
40:31
on,
40:31
like,
40:32
well,
40:33
apartheid.
40:34
District
40:35
nine.
40:36
District
40:36
nine.
40:36
That's
40:37
it.
40:37
Nine.
40:37
Yeah.
40:38
That's
40:38
good.
40:39
And
40:39
how
40:40
you
40:40
other.
40:40
The
40:40
other
40:40
person,
40:41
the
40:41
alien,
40:41
you
40:41
know,
40:42
really
40:42
is
40:42
the
40:42
other,
40:43
but
40:43
then
40:43
also,
40:43
you
40:43
know,
40:44
do
40:44
it
40:44
with
40:44
droids,
40:44
robots,
40:45
AI.
40:45
I
40:45
think
40:46
that's
40:46
a
40:46
big
40:46
part
40:46
of
40:46
the
40:46
genre,
40:46
too.
40:47
How
40:48
do
40:48
other
40:48
people.
40:49
Yeah,
40:49
that's.
40:50
That's
40:50
a
40:50
big
40:50
part
40:50
of
40:51
it.
40:51
Nice.
40:51
Yeah.
40:52
So
40:53
what
40:53
would
40:53
we
40:53
say
40:54
is
40:54
the
40:54
point
40:54
of
40:55
the
40:55
apocalyptic
40:56
literature
40:56
in
40:56
the
40:57
Bible,
40:57
Leah?
41:00
I
41:01
mean,
41:01
I
41:01
do.
41:02
I
41:02
do
41:02
think
41:02
that
41:03
it
41:03
was
41:03
meant
41:03
as
41:04
an
41:04
agent
41:04
of
41:05
hope.
41:05
I
41:05
really
41:06
do.
41:06
I
41:06
think
41:08
it's
41:08
weird
41:09
to
41:09
hear
41:09
that
41:09
because
41:10
it's
41:10
called
41:10
apocalyptic
41:11
literature,
41:12
but
41:12
I
41:12
do
41:12
think
41:13
they
41:14
were.
41:14
It
41:15
was
41:15
used
41:15
as
41:15
a
41:16
literary
41:17
device
41:18
to
41:18
encourage
41:18
people
41:19
that
41:20
Kristen
41:21
and
41:21
I
41:21
have
41:21
talked
41:21
about
41:21
this
41:22
on.
41:22
On
41:22
the
41:22
podcast,
41:23
is
41:23
that
41:23
weirdly,
41:24
we
41:24
find
41:24
comfort
41:25
in
41:25
things
41:25
ending
41:26
sometimes.
41:28
And
41:28
I
41:28
do
41:29
think
41:29
that
41:29
both
41:29
as
41:30
revelation
41:31
or
41:31
even,
41:31
Daniel,
41:31
if
41:32
you
41:32
want
41:32
to
41:32
go
41:32
to
41:32
the
41:32
Old
41:32
Testament,
41:33
like,
41:33
there
41:33
are
41:34
these
41:34
works
41:35
that
41:36
say,
41:36
this
41:36
is
41:37
not
41:37
all
41:37
that
41:37
there
41:38
is.
41:38
And
41:39
so
41:39
any
41:39
given
41:39
day
41:39
of
41:40
the
41:40
week,
41:41
if
41:41
you're
41:41
having
41:41
a
41:41
tough
41:42
day,
41:42
you
41:43
know,
41:43
a
41:43
lot
41:43
of
41:43
cult
41:43
leaders
41:44
have
41:44
used
41:44
it
41:44
negatively,
41:45
but
41:45
a
41:45
lot
41:46
of
41:46
people
41:46
can
41:46
look
41:46
in
41:46
that
41:46
and
41:47
think,
41:47
oh,
41:47
this
41:48
isn't
41:48
the
41:48
end,
41:49
you
41:49
know,
41:51
and
41:51
again,
41:52
people
41:52
can
41:52
use
41:52
that
41:53
in
41:53
very
41:53
damaging
41:54
ways.
41:54
But
41:55
I
41:55
really
41:55
think
41:56
that's
41:56
the
41:56
purpose,
41:56
is
41:57
it's
41:57
weirdly
41:57
a
41:58
hope
41:58
device,
41:59
even
41:59
though
41:59
it's
41:59
the
41:59
end.
42:00
Yeah,
42:01
a
42:01
hope
42:01
device.
42:02
I
42:02
like
42:02
that.
42:02
But
42:03
also,
42:03
like
42:03
the.
42:03
The
42:04
word
42:04
apocalypse
42:05
literally
42:05
means
42:05
to
42:05
unve
42:06
or
42:06
to
42:06
reveal.
42:07
Right.
42:07
So
42:07
when
42:08
I
42:08
talked
42:08
about
42:08
with
42:09
my
42:09
congregation
42:09
that
42:09
Covid
42:10
this
42:10
pandemic
42:10
was
42:11
apocalyptic,
42:11
I
42:11
wasn't
42:12
talking
42:12
about
42:12
in
42:13
the
42:13
world.
42:13
It
42:13
was
42:13
just
42:13
revealing
42:14
what
42:14
was
42:15
important
42:15
to
42:15
people.
42:15
Those
42:16
who
42:16
wanted
42:16
to
42:16
hold
42:16
on
42:16
to
42:16
power,
42:17
those
42:17
who
42:17
wanted
42:18
to
42:18
lean
42:18
into
42:18
science,
42:19
those
42:19
who
42:19
want
42:19
to
42:19
take
42:19
care
42:19
of
42:20
their
42:20
communities,
42:20
those
42:20
who
42:21
are
42:21
scared
42:22
of
42:22
science.
42:22
It
42:22
was
42:23
revealing
42:24
of
42:24
what
42:24
was
42:24
deeply
42:25
inside
42:25
them.
42:25
So
42:25
I
42:26
think
42:26
this
42:26
apocalyptic
42:27
literature
42:27
and
42:27
scripture
42:27
is
42:28
revealing
42:28
of
42:29
the
42:29
underlying
42:29
reality
42:30
and
42:30
also
42:30
the
42:31
systems
42:31
that
42:31
are
42:31
at
42:31
play,
42:32
whether
42:32
oppressive
42:33
or
42:33
those
42:33
who
42:33
bring
42:34
hope
42:34
and
42:34
salvation.
42:34
So
42:35
apocalyptic
42:36
with
42:36
the
42:36
literal
42:36
world
42:37
meaning
42:37
of
42:37
that
42:37
Greek
42:38
word
42:38
to
42:39
reveal
42:39
or
42:40
unveiling
42:41
these.
42:41
These
42:42
stories
42:42
unveil
42:43
for
42:43
us
42:44
what
42:44
we're
42:44
truly
42:44
feeling.
42:45
How
42:45
would
42:45
we
42:45
respond?
42:46
But
42:46
but
42:46
in
42:46
scripture,
42:47
you
42:47
know,
42:47
the,
42:47
the
42:48
underlining
42:48
reality
42:49
of
42:50
what
42:50
is
42:50
holding
42:50
these
42:50
things
42:51
together
42:51
and
42:51
what
42:51
are
42:51
the
42:52
systems
42:52
and
42:52
powers
42:52
that
42:53
are
42:53
trying
42:53
to
42:53
tear
42:53
it
42:53
down
42:53
or
42:54
co
42:54
opt
42:54
it.
42:54
Yeah,
42:55
I,
42:56
I,
42:56
I
42:57
gotta
42:57
go
42:57
back
42:57
to
42:57
my
42:57
thing
42:57
earlier.
42:58
You
42:58
know,
42:58
it's
42:58
the
42:58
same
42:59
thing
42:59
with
42:59
horror
42:59
sci
42:59
fi.
43:00
It's
43:00
like
43:00
we
43:00
just
43:00
conflate
43:01
these
43:01
stories
43:01
too
43:02
much.
43:03
Daniel
43:03
and
43:03
Revelation
43:04
have
43:04
a
43:04
really
43:04
fun
43:04
tie
43:05
in
43:05
to.
43:06
If
43:06
you
43:06
split
43:06
Genesis
43:07
up
43:07
the
43:07
way
43:07
that
43:07
I
43:08
would
43:08
like
43:08
it
43:08
to
43:08
be
43:08
split
43:08
up
43:09
that
43:09
beginning,
43:09
ending
43:10
with
43:10
the
43:10
Tower
43:11
of
43:11
Babel,
43:11
where
43:12
humanity
43:12
really
43:12
fell
43:13
apart
43:13
from
43:13
God.
43:13
Like
43:13
the
43:13
story
43:13
is
43:14
basically
43:14
God's
43:14
like,
43:14
okay,
43:15
guys
43:15
don't
43:15
do
43:16
this.
43:16
And
43:16
then
43:16
they
43:16
do
43:16
it.
43:16
It's
43:17
like,
43:17
alright,
43:17
that's
43:17
one.
43:17
And
43:18
then
43:18
he
43:18
goes
43:18
two.
43:18
And
43:19
there's
43:19
like
43:19
two
43:19
and
43:19
a
43:19
half,
43:19
two
43:20
and
43:20
three
43:20
quarters.
43:21
Like
43:21
God
43:21
keeps
43:21
giving
43:22
humanity
43:22
a
43:22
chance.
43:22
And
43:22
like
43:23
Tower
43:23
of
43:23
Babel
43:23
was
43:23
like,
43:24
that
43:24
was
43:24
it.
43:24
We
43:24
got
43:25
so
43:25
full
43:25
of
43:25
ourselves,
43:26
we
43:26
departed
43:26
from
43:26
God.
43:27
And
43:27
the
43:27
story
43:27
of
43:27
Daniel
43:28
in
43:28
Revelation
43:29
is
43:29
what
43:29
Babylon
43:30
finally
43:30
falling.
43:31
It's
43:31
the
43:32
story
43:32
of
43:32
the
43:32
Tower
43:32
of
43:33
Babel
43:33
coming
43:33
to
43:33
an
43:33
end
43:34
where
43:34
our
43:34
arrogance
43:35
put
43:35
into
43:35
perspective
43:36
of
43:36
like.
43:37
And
43:37
both
43:37
of
43:37
those
43:37
are
43:38
political
43:39
stories
43:39
of
43:40
like,
43:40
hey,
43:40
we
43:40
got
43:40
so
43:41
full
43:41
of
43:41
ourselves.
43:41
We
43:41
have
43:41
these
43:41
narcissistic
43:42
leaders
43:42
like
43:43
Donald
43:43
Trump,
43:43
I'm
43:43
sorry,
43:43
I
43:43
mean,
43:44
Nebuchadnezzar,
43:44
who
43:45
are,
43:46
you
43:47
know,
43:47
causing
43:47
people
43:48
to
43:48
be
43:48
put
43:49
into
43:49
prisons
43:49
in
43:49
El
43:49
Salvador.
43:50
I
43:50
mean,
43:52
golden
43:52
statues,
43:53
all
43:53
this
43:54
golden
43:54
statues,
43:54
yeah,
43:55
all
43:55
this
43:55
stuff,
43:55
right.
43:55
And
43:56
it's
43:56
all
43:56
about
43:56
the
43:56
arrogance
43:57
of
43:57
man
43:57
and
43:57
narcissism
43:58
in
43:58
politics
43:58
and
43:59
that's
43:59
what
43:59
the
43:59
stories
43:59
are
43:59
about.
43:59
And
44:00
then
44:00
you
44:00
also
44:00
have
44:00
apocalyptic
44:01
literature
44:01
in
44:01
Isaiah
44:02
where
44:02
the
44:03
leviathan
44:03
gets
44:03
slain,
44:04
that
44:04
stands
44:04
for
44:04
chaos
44:05
and
44:05
God's
44:05
power
44:06
is
44:06
shown
44:07
through
44:07
apocalypse
44:07
in
44:07
these
44:08
weird
44:08
little
44:08
like
44:08
angel
44:09
alien
44:09
creatures.
44:10
Because
44:10
it's
44:11
like,
44:11
look
44:11
how
44:11
powerful
44:11
God
44:12
really
44:12
is
44:13
in
44:13
your
44:13
chaotic
44:14
life.
44:14
It's
44:14
nothing
44:15
to
44:15
something
44:15
that
44:15
powerful.
44:15
Right,
44:16
so
44:16
like
44:16
just
44:17
like
44:17
horror,
44:17
just
44:17
like
44:18
sci
44:18
fi.
44:18
I
44:19
think
44:19
it
44:19
depends
44:19
what
44:19
story
44:19
are
44:20
we
44:20
talking
44:20
about?
44:21
And
44:22
usually
44:22
yeah,
44:22
it's
44:23
hope.
44:23
Is
44:23
it
44:23
hope
44:23
because
44:24
this
44:25
political
44:26
administration
44:26
will
44:26
one
44:27
day
44:27
in
44:27
or
44:27
is
44:27
it
44:28
hope
44:28
because,
44:28
hey,
44:29
your
44:29
life
44:29
is
44:29
chaotic,
44:30
but
44:30
God's
44:30
more
44:30
powerful
44:31
than
44:31
that?
44:31
Either
44:32
way,
44:32
I
44:32
do
44:32
think
44:32
hope
44:32
is
44:33
probably
44:33
a
44:33
solid
44:34
answer
44:35
and
44:35
I
44:35
think.
44:36
Ryan
44:36
brought
44:36
that
44:37
up
44:37
with
44:37
Jurassic
44:37
park
44:37
and
44:38
Alien,
44:38
which
44:38
is
44:39
another
44:39
of
44:39
my
44:39
favorites.
44:40
I
44:40
don't.
44:42
But
44:42
is
44:43
that
44:43
the
44:43
sort
44:44
of
44:45
arrogance
44:45
that
44:46
we
44:46
had,
44:47
which
44:47
is
44:47
really
44:47
the
44:48
central
44:48
of
44:48
those
44:49
genres
44:50
and
44:51
how
44:51
we
44:51
keep,
44:51
keep
44:52
doing
44:53
it?
44:53
As
44:53
a
44:53
historian,
44:54
it
44:54
kills
44:55
me.
44:55
It's
44:55
like
44:56
we,
44:56
we
44:57
and
44:57
what
44:57
does
44:57
that
44:57
say
44:57
about
44:58
humanity?
44:58
And
44:58
I
44:58
Think
44:59
in
44:59
many
44:59
ways,
45:00
apocalyptic
45:01
literature
45:01
is
45:01
speaking
45:02
to
45:02
that
45:02
and
45:03
saying,
45:03
we
45:03
are
45:04
going
45:04
to
45:04
keep
45:05
doing
45:05
this
45:06
over
45:06
and
45:06
over
45:06
and
45:06
over
45:07
again
45:08
and
45:08
maybe
45:08
one
45:08
day
45:09
Jesus
45:09
comes
45:09
back
45:09
or
45:10
we
45:10
die,
45:10
you
45:11
know,
45:11
and,
45:11
and
45:11
I
45:11
know
45:11
that
45:12
sounds
45:12
really
45:12
unhopeful,
45:13
but
45:13
there
45:13
is
45:13
a
45:14
hope
45:14
message
45:14
underneath
45:15
that
45:16
because
45:16
it
45:16
is
45:17
that
45:17
this
45:17
is.
45:18
Yeah,
45:18
we
45:18
can
45:18
fight
45:18
against
45:19
that.
45:19
We
45:19
can
45:19
push
45:19
back
45:20
against
45:20
that.
45:20
And
45:20
you
45:20
see
45:21
that
45:21
in
45:21
some
45:21
of
45:21
these
45:21
horror
45:22
films
45:22
is
45:22
people
45:23
say,
45:23
this
45:23
isn't
45:23
actually
45:24
the
45:24
way
45:24
that
45:24
I
45:24
want
45:25
my
45:25
life
45:25
to
45:25
be
45:25
and
45:26
we're
45:26
going
45:26
to
45:26
stop
45:26
the
45:26
cycle.
45:27
Should
45:28
they
45:28
blow
45:28
up
45:28
that
45:28
Jurassic
45:29
park
45:29
island?
45:29
Maybe.
45:30
But
45:30
you
45:30
know,
45:31
I
45:31
think
45:32
probably
45:32
even.
45:33
I'm
45:34
saying
45:34
is
45:34
in
45:34
August,
45:35
when
45:35
the
45:35
tycoon
45:36
Jurassic
45:37
World
45:37
Evolution
45:38
3
45:38
comes
45:38
out
45:38
and
45:38
I
45:38
can
45:39
build
45:39
my
45:39
own
45:39
Jurassic
45:39
park
45:40
and
45:40
put
45:40
people
45:40
in
45:40
danger,
45:41
I'm
45:41
going
45:41
to
45:41
do
45:41
it.
45:41
This
45:42
can
45:42
be
45:42
great.
45:43
Can't
45:44
wait.
45:44
Actually
45:45
put
45:45
yourself
45:45
in
45:46
that
45:46
story,
45:46
Joshua.
45:47
So,
45:47
Josh,
45:48
that's
45:48
why
45:48
you
45:48
have
45:49
the.
45:49
Money
45:49
to
45:49
do
45:49
the
45:49
same
45:49
thing
45:49
in
45:50
real
45:50
life?
45:51
Oh,
45:51
absolutely
45:51
not.
45:52
That's
45:52
terrible.
45:52
Waste
45:53
of
45:53
money,
45:53
surely.
45:54
I'm
45:55
sure
45:55
you
45:55
believe
45:55
that.
45:55
Yeah.
45:56
So
45:56
one
45:56
thing
45:57
our
45:58
sci
45:58
fi
45:58
and
45:58
horror
45:59
fans
45:59
and
46:00
our
46:00
eschatological.
46:01
Whatever
46:02
scholars
46:02
have
46:02
in
46:02
common
46:03
is
46:03
this
46:03
tendency
46:04
to
46:04
argue
46:04
and
46:04
create
46:05
factions
46:05
among
46:06
the
46:06
different
46:06
theories.
46:06
You
46:06
know,
46:07
like,
46:07
are
46:07
you
46:07
a
46:07
prequel
46:07
guy
46:08
or
46:08
sequel
46:08
guy?
46:09
And
46:09
then
46:09
it's
46:09
like,
46:09
are
46:10
you
46:10
pre
46:10
millennial
46:11
or
46:11
you're
46:11
amillennial?
46:12
Whatever.
46:14
And
46:14
it's
46:14
crazy
46:14
because
46:15
eschatology
46:15
is
46:16
like
46:16
the
46:16
source
46:16
of
46:16
a
46:17
ton
46:17
of
46:17
church
46:17
disputes,
46:19
and
46:19
yet
46:19
it
46:19
does
46:19
sound
46:20
a
46:20
lot
46:20
like
46:20
our
46:20
nerd
46:21
fights.
46:22
And
46:22
bad
46:22
eschatology
46:23
is
46:23
one
46:23
of
46:24
the
46:24
leading
46:24
causes
46:24
for
46:24
spiritual
46:25
trauma.
46:25
So
46:25
it's
46:26
kind
46:26
of
46:26
funny
46:26
when
46:26
you
46:26
see
46:27
the
46:27
comparison,
46:27
but
46:27
it's
46:27
also
46:28
like,
46:28
oh,
46:28
yeah,
46:28
this
46:28
is
46:28
still
46:29
really
46:29
serious,
46:30
right.
46:31
Ryan,
46:32
do
46:32
you
46:32
think
46:32
there's
46:32
anything
46:33
the
46:33
church
46:33
might
46:33
be
46:33
able
46:33
to
46:34
learn
46:34
about
46:34
unity
46:35
from
46:35
looking
46:35
at
46:35
our
46:36
sci
46:36
fi
46:36
and
46:36
horror
46:37
communities
46:37
and
46:37
how
46:37
we
46:37
disagree,
46:38
because,
46:38
like,
46:38
there's
46:39
definitely
46:39
some
46:39
fandoms
46:40
that
46:40
do
46:40
this
46:40
better
46:40
than
46:40
others,
46:41
I
46:41
think.
46:42
Well,
46:42
I
46:42
also,
46:43
I.
46:43
With
46:44
that,
46:44
I
46:44
think
46:45
it
46:45
matters
46:45
one,
46:46
what
46:46
fans
46:46
are
46:47
taught,
46:47
what
46:47
kind
46:47
of
46:47
fans
46:48
you're
46:48
talking
46:48
to
46:49
and
46:50
what
46:50
kind
46:50
of
46:51
church
46:51
people
46:51
you're
46:52
talking
46:52
to.
46:52
Because
46:53
sometimes,
46:54
like
46:54
original.
46:54
Sometimes
46:55
if
46:55
we're
46:55
talking
46:55
about
46:55
Star
46:56
wars,
46:56
for
46:56
example,
46:57
original
46:58
trilogy
46:58
people,
46:59
they
46:59
can
46:59
be
47:00
ravid.
47:00
Like,
47:01
they're
47:01
like,
47:01
they're
47:02
the
47:02
nerd
47:02
equivalent
47:03
of
47:03
the
47:03
get
47:03
off
47:04
my
47:04
lawn
47:04
people.
47:06
And
47:06
when
47:06
you're.
47:07
But,
47:07
but
47:07
like
47:08
I,
47:08
you
47:08
know,
47:09
Will
47:09
Rose
47:10
is
47:10
a
47:10
great
47:10
example
47:11
of
47:11
this.
47:11
Like,
47:11
definitely
47:12
an
47:12
original
47:13
trilogy
47:13
guy.
47:14
Oh,
47:14
yeah.
47:14
But
47:15
has
47:15
found
47:15
joy
47:16
in
47:16
other
47:16
parts
47:17
of
47:17
the
47:18
Star
47:18
wars
47:18
universe.
47:19
That's
47:19
more
47:19
like
47:20
where
47:20
I've
47:20
landed.
47:21
Because
47:21
I'll
47:22
be
47:22
honest,
47:22
guys,
47:22
I
47:22
don't,
47:23
I
47:23
don't
47:23
got
47:23
time
47:23
in
47:24
my
47:24
life
47:24
to
47:24
argue
47:24
about
47:25
fictional
47:26
space
47:26
people.
47:27
Yeah,
47:28
but
47:28
I
47:29
think
47:29
that's.
47:29
But
47:30
with
47:30
theology,
47:31
for
47:31
some
47:31
reason
47:32
we
47:32
think
47:32
it's
47:33
so
47:33
categorically
47:34
different.
47:35
And
47:36
it's
47:36
like,
47:36
I
47:36
don't
47:37
know
47:37
if
47:37
it
47:37
really
47:37
is,
47:38
like,
47:38
so
47:38
eschatology
47:39
was
47:39
always
47:39
one
47:39
of
47:39
those
47:40
things
47:40
where,
47:40
especially
47:41
in
47:41
Bible
47:41
college,
47:41
I
47:42
went
47:42
to
47:42
a
47:42
really
47:43
hard
47:43
line
47:44
conservative
47:45
Baptist
47:45
Bible
47:45
college.
47:47
And
47:47
it
47:47
was
47:47
like,
47:48
hey,
47:48
if
47:48
you
47:48
get
47:48
your
47:49
eschatology
47:49
wrong,
47:50
basically,
47:51
you
47:52
know,
47:52
enjoy
47:52
hell,
47:53
you
47:54
pagan,
47:54
you
47:55
know,
47:56
non
47:56
believer.
47:58
How
47:58
did
47:58
we
47:58
let
47:58
you
47:58
in
47:59
for
47:59
this
47:59
long?
48:00
There
48:01
are
48:02
the
48:02
disagreements.
48:03
I
48:03
don't
48:03
know,
48:03
I
48:04
just
48:04
feel
48:04
like
48:04
the
48:04
details
48:04
are
48:05
negligible.
48:06
That's
48:06
probably
48:06
bad
48:07
for
48:07
like
48:07
a
48:07
lot.
48:08
Like,
48:08
probably
48:08
more
48:09
conservatively
48:09
minded
48:10
people
48:10
be
48:10
like,
48:10
well,
48:11
no,
48:11
they're
48:11
like,
48:12
they're
48:12
important
48:12
topics.
48:13
I'm
48:13
like,
48:14
are
48:14
they
48:14
though?
48:15
We've
48:15
been
48:15
arguing
48:15
about
48:16
them
48:16
for
48:16
so
48:16
long.
48:16
Yeah,
48:18
yeah.
48:18
I
48:18
mean,
48:19
even
48:19
if
48:19
they
48:19
are
48:19
important,
48:20
I
48:20
feel
48:20
like
48:21
I
48:21
hear
48:21
Jesus
48:21
calling
48:22
to
48:22
us.
48:22
Like,
48:23
for
48:23
those
48:23
who
48:24
disagree
48:24
well
48:25
on
48:25
the
48:25
little
48:25
things
48:26
will
48:26
be
48:26
given
48:26
bigger
48:27
things
48:27
to
48:27
disagree.
48:29
If
48:30
we
48:30
can
48:30
disagree
48:30
well
48:31
on
48:31
Star
48:32
wars,
48:32
maybe
48:32
we
48:32
can
48:33
move
48:33
our
48:33
way
48:33
up.
48:34
You
48:34
know
48:35
what?
48:35
That's
48:36
probably
48:36
true.
48:38
Also,
48:39
your
48:39
Jesus
48:39
voice
48:40
sounds
48:40
an
48:40
awful
48:41
lot
48:41
like
48:42
our
48:42
mutual
48:43
mentor,
48:44
Will
48:44
Rose.
48:45
Well,
48:45
they
48:45
do
48:46
have
48:46
a
48:46
lot.
48:46
Guys,
48:47
guys.
48:48
Well,
48:48
okay,
48:49
so
48:49
add
48:50
another
48:50
observation.
48:51
I'd
48:51
like
48:51
to
48:51
pick
48:51
your
48:51
brain
48:52
out
48:52
just
48:52
for
48:52
a
48:52
second,
48:53
because
48:53
when
48:54
I
48:54
think
48:54
of
48:54
the
48:54
fandoms
48:54
that
48:54
do
48:55
this
48:55
well,
48:56
and
48:56
of
48:56
course
48:56
I'm
48:56
biased,
48:57
but
48:57
maybe
48:58
as
48:58
a
48:58
Thor
48:58
fan,
48:59
you
48:59
might
48:59
see
48:59
something
48:59
similar.
49:00
Like
49:01
as
49:01
a
49:01
Kingdom
49:01
Hearts
49:01
fan,
49:02
there's
49:02
not
49:03
a
49:03
lot
49:03
of
49:03
dispute.
49:04
It's
49:04
just
49:04
like,
49:04
you
49:05
see
49:05
someone
49:05
and
49:05
they
49:05
like,
49:06
even
49:06
if
49:06
they
49:06
like
49:06
a
49:06
game
49:06
that
49:07
you
49:07
think
49:07
is
49:07
like
49:07
the
49:07
dumbest
49:08
one
49:08
in
49:08
the
49:08
series,
49:08
you're
49:08
like,
49:09
oh
49:09
my
49:09
God,
49:09
someone
49:09
else
49:09
knows
49:10
what
49:10
I'm
49:10
talking
49:10
about.
49:11
This
49:11
is
49:11
awesome.
49:12
Whereas,
49:12
like
49:13
the
49:13
bigger
49:13
fandoms,
49:13
it's
49:14
like,
49:14
it's
49:15
like,
49:15
I
49:16
don't
49:16
know,
49:16
you
49:16
feel
49:17
like
49:17
you're
49:17
mainstream
49:17
enough
49:18
that
49:18
you
49:18
have
49:18
the
49:18
room
49:18
to
49:19
disagree.
49:19
And
49:19
like,
49:19
I
49:20
think
49:20
the
49:20
same
49:20
thing's
49:20
true
49:20
with
49:20
the
49:20
church,
49:21
though.
49:21
Like
49:21
when
49:21
you
49:21
see
49:21
like
49:21
the
49:22
church
49:22
is
49:22
like
49:23
smaller
49:23
in
49:24
those
49:24
areas,
49:25
like,
49:25
can
49:25
you
49:25
read
49:25
about
49:25
it?
49:26
They
49:26
don't
49:26
have
49:26
those
49:26
arguments.
49:27
But
49:27
now,
49:27
like,
49:28
we're
49:28
the
49:28
big
49:28
guys,
49:29
so
49:29
now
49:29
we
49:29
have
49:29
to
49:29
argue
49:30
about
49:30
all
49:30
these
49:31
minor
49:31
little
49:31
details.
49:32
Yeah.
49:34
Spoiled
49:35
by
49:35
selection.
49:35
Yeah.
49:37
Oh
49:37
my.
49:38
Yeah.
49:39
I
49:39
mean,
49:40
I
49:40
think
49:41
with.
49:41
Well,
49:42
for
49:42
example,
49:43
you
49:43
know,
49:44
maybe
49:44
this
49:44
is
49:45
Maybe
49:45
this
49:45
is
49:45
in
49:46
the
49:46
spirit
49:46
of
49:46
your
49:46
question,
49:47
Joshua.
49:47
Like
49:48
nerd
49:49
culture
49:49
is
49:50
pop
49:50
culture
49:51
now,
49:51
like
49:52
science
49:52
fiction
49:53
and
49:53
horror
49:54
is
49:54
pop
49:55
culture.
49:55
It's
49:56
gone
49:56
from
49:56
being
49:56
a
49:57
corner
49:57
case,
49:58
curiosity
50:00
of
50:00
the,
50:00
you
50:00
know,
50:01
of
50:01
the
50:01
pop
50:01
culture,
50:02
you
50:02
know,
50:02
world
50:03
to,
50:03
you
50:04
know,
50:04
superhero
50:04
movies
50:05
historically
50:06
just
50:07
bring
50:07
home
50:07
bank
50:08
at
50:08
the
50:08
box
50:08
office.
50:09
People
50:09
build
50:10
whole
50:10
careers
50:12
out
50:12
of
50:12
characters
50:13
they
50:13
play,
50:13
all
50:14
of
50:14
that.
50:15
So
50:15
I
50:15
think
50:15
there's
50:16
a.
50:16
Interesting
50:17
shift
50:18
from
50:19
being
50:19
both
50:20
being
50:20
a.
50:21
This
50:21
may
50:22
be
50:22
an
50:22
inappropriate
50:23
way
50:23
to
50:23
say
50:23
this,
50:23
but
50:24
a.
50:25
If
50:25
you're
50:25
a
50:25
nerd,
50:26
you
50:26
know,
50:26
in.
50:27
In,
50:27
you
50:27
know,
50:27
the
50:28
pre.
50:28
Let's
50:28
say.
50:28
Let's
50:29
say
50:29
pre
50:29
80s.
50:30
If
50:30
you're
50:31
a
50:31
nerd
50:31
in
50:31
the
50:31
pre
50:32
80s
50:32
era,
50:33
you
50:33
are
50:33
essentially
50:34
a
50:34
persecuted
50:34
minority
50:35
in
50:35
the
50:35
world
50:36
of
50:36
pop
50:36
culture
50:37
because
50:38
you're
50:38
the
50:38
oddity,
50:38
you're
50:39
the
50:39
curiosity.
50:40
Similar
50:41
to,
50:41
you
50:41
know,
50:42
prior
50:42
to
50:42
the
50:43
Moral
50:43
majority
50:44
gaining
50:45
political,
50:46
organizational,
50:47
systemic
50:47
power
50:48
in
50:48
the
50:48
church
50:49
world,
50:49
a
50:50
lot
50:50
of
50:50
more
50:50
conservative
50:51
thinking
50:51
going
50:52
mainstream
50:53
through
50:53
things
50:54
like
50:54
Focus
50:54
on
50:54
the
50:54
Family,
50:55
Billy
50:55
Graham.
50:56
Yeah.
50:56
All
50:57
of
50:57
those
50:57
cultural
50:58
shiftings,
50:59
you
50:59
have
51:00
a
51:00
somewhat
51:04
quieter
51:05
voiced,
51:05
maybe
51:06
a
51:06
less
51:06
represented
51:07
minority
51:08
going
51:09
from
51:09
being
51:09
that
51:09
corner
51:10
case
51:11
to
51:11
now
51:11
being
51:12
in
51:12
a
51:12
position
51:13
of
51:13
power
51:14
aligning
51:14
itself
51:15
with,
51:16
let's
51:16
just
51:16
say,
51:16
certain
51:17
political
51:17
parties.
51:18
Wink,
51:19
wink.
51:19
We
51:19
all
51:19
know
51:20
what
51:20
I'm
51:20
talking
51:20
about.
51:20
Yeah.
51:22
And
51:22
now
51:22
you
51:22
see
51:23
what
51:23
a
51:24
bullied.
51:24
What
51:25
the
51:25
bullied
51:26
now
51:26
do
51:27
when
51:27
they've
51:27
got
51:28
the
51:28
power
51:28
and
51:29
they
51:29
can
51:29
pull
51:29
the
51:29
strings.
51:30
I
51:30
think
51:30
there's
51:30
a
51:31
lot
51:31
of
51:31
different
51:32
comparisons
51:33
you
51:33
could
51:33
do
51:33
between
51:33
sci
51:34
fi
51:34
and
51:34
horror
51:35
nerd
51:35
culture
51:36
with
51:37
current
51:38
Christian,
51:38
you
51:39
know,
51:39
kind
51:39
of
51:39
mainstream
51:40
culture.
51:40
Is
51:40
that.
51:41
Is
51:41
that
51:41
in
51:41
the
51:41
spirit
51:41
of
51:42
your
51:42
question,
51:42
Joshua?
51:43
That's
51:43
exactly.
51:43
Kind
51:44
of
51:44
just.
51:44
My
51:45
brain
51:45
was
51:45
just
51:45
kind
51:45
of
51:45
roaming
51:46
in
51:46
that
51:46
general
51:47
direction.
51:48
See,
51:48
where
51:48
your
51:48
brain
51:49
went?
51:49
You
51:49
know,
51:50
we
51:50
just
51:50
went
51:50
on
51:50
a
51:50
little
51:51
journey
51:51
together.
51:52
Us
51:53
together
51:54
is
51:54
definitely.
51:55
I
51:55
think
51:55
roaming
51:56
is
51:56
probably
51:57
the
51:57
most
51:57
accurate
51:58
word
51:58
that
51:58
could
51:58
be
51:59
and
51:59
the
51:59
kindest
51:59
for
52:00
our
52:00
brains,
52:00
I
52:01
think.
52:01
I
52:01
don't
52:01
think
52:01
there's
52:02
a
52:02
stronger
52:03
version
52:03
of
52:04
the
52:04
word
52:04
to
52:04
use.
52:05
So.
52:06
Yeah,
52:07
I'd
52:07
have
52:07
to
52:07
agree.
52:10
Not.
52:10
It's.
52:10
It's
52:10
the.
52:11
It's
52:11
the.
52:11
Nick.
52:12
Nick.
52:12
Nick
52:12
Polk
52:13
will
52:13
be
52:13
happy
52:13
at
52:14
this.
52:14
You
52:14
know,
52:14
not
52:14
all
52:14
who
52:15
wander
52:15
are
52:15
lost,
52:15
but
52:16
sometimes
52:16
you're
52:17
just
52:17
freaking
52:17
lost.
52:18
Like.
52:18
Yeah,
52:19
sometimes.
52:23
Man.
52:24
That's
52:25
true,
52:25
by
52:25
the
52:25
way.
52:25
Oh,
52:26
God.
52:26
But
52:27
you.
52:28
I
52:28
don't
52:28
know.
52:28
I
52:28
feel
52:28
like
52:28
it's
52:29
kind
52:29
of.
52:29
There
52:30
is
52:30
virulence
52:31
in
52:31
the
52:31
fandoms
52:32
if
52:32
you
52:32
dig
52:32
deep
52:33
enough.
52:33
Always.
52:33
Always.
52:34
Yeah.
52:34
But
52:34
at
52:35
the
52:35
end
52:35
of
52:35
the
52:35
day,
52:35
you
52:36
know,
52:36
you
52:36
can
52:36
reconcile
52:37
that
52:37
fact
52:38
because
52:38
they're
52:38
still
52:39
fans
52:39
of
52:39
the
52:39
same
52:39
properties.
52:41
Yeah.
52:41
I
52:41
mean,
52:43
if
52:44
you
52:44
have
52:44
a
52:44
healthy
52:45
adult
52:45
mindset
52:46
towards
52:46
your
52:46
fandoms,
52:47
you
52:48
should
52:48
always
52:48
be
52:48
able
52:49
to
52:50
come
52:50
back
52:50
to
52:50
the
52:51
core
52:51
common
52:52
denominator
52:53
of.
52:54
We
52:54
both
52:54
derive
52:55
joy
52:56
from
52:56
this
52:57
property,
52:57
this
52:58
ip,
52:59
this
52:59
character,
52:59
this,
53:00
you
53:00
know,
53:00
whatever.
53:00
I
53:01
mean,
53:01
even
53:02
Joshua
53:03
mentioned,
53:03
you
53:03
know,
53:04
if
53:04
this
53:04
happens
53:04
in
53:04
the
53:05
world
53:05
of
53:05
Thor,
53:05
like,
53:06
I
53:06
am
53:07
by
53:07
no
53:07
means
53:07
a
53:08
Thor
53:08
expert.
53:08
I
53:09
prefer
53:09
to
53:09
say
53:10
I'm
53:10
a
53:10
Thor
53:11
enthusiast.
53:12
And
53:13
that's
53:13
really
53:13
how
53:13
I
53:13
am
53:14
with
53:14
comics
53:14
too,
53:14
as
53:15
a
53:15
whole,
53:16
as
53:16
a,
53:16
as
53:16
a
53:16
medium.
53:17
Within
53:18
the
53:18
world
53:18
of
53:18
even
53:18
Thor
53:19
comics,
53:20
there
53:20
are
53:21
like,
53:21
he
53:22
is
53:22
a,
53:23
he
53:23
is
53:23
a
53:24
white
53:24
blonde
53:25
haired
53:26
Viking
53:26
warrior.
53:27
Believe
53:27
it
53:28
or
53:28
not,
53:28
guys,
53:29
there
53:29
are
53:29
some
53:29
other
53:29
dudes
53:30
on
53:30
the
53:30
Internet
53:30
that
53:31
reinterpret
53:32
Thor
53:32
a
53:32
different
53:32
way.
53:34
We've
53:34
had,
53:35
we've
53:35
actually
53:35
had
53:35
people
53:36
send
53:36
us
53:36
dms,
53:37
like,
53:37
hey,
53:37
I
53:38
just
53:38
want
53:38
to
53:38
know
53:38
what
53:38
I'm
53:38
getting
53:38
into
53:39
here.
53:39
Like,
53:40
what
53:40
are
53:40
you
53:40
guys
53:40
about?
53:41
Like,
53:41
we're
53:41
like,
53:41
hey,
53:42
dude,
53:43
you're,
53:43
you're
53:43
safe
53:44
here.
53:44
We're
53:44
not
53:44
those
53:44
guys.
53:45
So,
53:45
like,
53:46
even
53:46
within
53:46
our,
53:47
even
53:47
within
53:47
our
53:48
niche
53:49
of
53:49
a
53:50
character,
53:51
there
53:51
is
53:51
a
53:52
niche.
53:52
Like,
53:53
it's,
53:53
it's
53:54
crazy
53:54
how
53:54
far
53:54
the,
53:55
the
53:55
maze
53:56
goes,
53:57
but
53:58
we're
53:58
just
53:58
trying
53:59
to
53:59
be
53:59
a
53:59
positive
54:00
influence
54:01
on
54:01
anybody
54:02
that
54:02
listens.
54:03
And
54:03
I
54:03
think,
54:04
I
54:04
think
54:04
we've
54:05
done
54:05
a
54:05
good
54:05
job.
54:05
I
54:05
think
54:06
you
54:06
guys
54:06
do
54:06
a
54:06
good
54:07
job.
54:07
Yeah,
54:07
I
54:08
sometimes
54:08
I
54:09
enjoy
54:09
listening
54:10
to
54:10
across
54:10
the
54:10
Bifrost
54:11
and
54:11
hearing
54:11
about
54:11
comics
54:12
that
54:12
I
54:12
usually
54:12
don't
54:13
read.
54:15
I
54:15
have
54:15
limited
54:15
time.
54:16
So
54:16
if
54:16
it's
54:16
like,
54:16
there's
54:17
not
54:17
no
54:17
Captain
54:17
America,
54:18
I'm
54:18
like,
54:19
do
54:19
I
54:19
want
54:19
to?
54:20
Which,
54:20
by
54:20
the
54:21
way,
54:21
Josh,
54:21
there's
54:22
a,
54:22
there's
54:22
a
54:22
brand
54:23
new
54:23
Captain
54:23
America
54:24
run
54:24
launch
54:24
in
54:24
this
54:25
summer.
54:25
You
54:25
need
54:25
to
54:25
get
54:26
on
54:26
board
54:26
with
54:26
that.
54:26
Yeah,
54:28
man,
54:28
that
54:28
was
54:28
so
54:29
cool.
54:29
Well,
54:30
so
54:30
also
54:31
to
54:31
kind
54:31
of
54:32
go
54:33
back
54:33
a
54:33
little
54:33
bit.
54:33
I
54:34
also
54:34
wonder
54:34
how
54:34
much
54:35
age
54:35
has
54:35
to
54:35
do
54:35
with
54:35
it
54:36
because,
54:36
like,
54:37
the
54:37
age
54:37
of
54:38
a
54:38
fandom,
54:38
if
54:38
you
54:38
will,
54:39
because
54:39
once
54:40
we've
54:40
had
54:40
Star
54:40
wars
54:41
for
54:41
so
54:41
long,
54:41
I
54:42
will
54:42
admit
54:42
people
54:43
who
54:43
are
54:43
like,
54:43
I
54:43
only
54:43
like
54:44
the
54:44
sequel
54:44
trilogy.
54:45
I
54:46
do
54:46
have
54:46
a
54:46
hard
54:46
time
54:46
being
54:47
like,
54:47
that's
54:47
the
54:47
same
54:47
thing
54:48
as
54:48
a
54:48
Star
54:48
wars
54:48
fan.
54:49
You
54:49
know,
54:49
it's
54:50
like
54:50
you're
54:50
a
54:50
sequel
54:51
Star
54:51
wars
54:51
fan.
54:51
That's
54:51
not
54:52
exactly
54:52
the
54:52
same
54:53
thing.
54:53
That's
54:53
why
54:53
I
54:53
said
54:54
usually
54:54
earlier.
54:55
Yeah,
54:55
well,
54:56
I
54:56
think
54:56
it
54:56
is,
54:57
though,
54:57
because,
54:57
like,
54:57
when
54:57
you
54:58
sit
54:58
with
54:58
something
54:58
so
54:58
long
54:59
and
54:59
then
54:59
something
54:59
new
55:00
comes
55:00
out
55:00
and
55:00
it
55:00
kind
55:01
of
55:01
like
55:01
undermines
55:01
that,
55:01
you're
55:02
like,
55:03
do
55:03
I?
55:03
Is
55:04
that
55:04
the
55:04
same
55:04
thing?
55:05
And
55:05
I
55:05
feel
55:05
like
55:05
a
55:05
lot
55:05
of
55:05
Christians
55:06
are
55:06
doing
55:06
the
55:06
same
55:06
thing
55:06
now,
55:06
and
55:07
we've
55:07
always
55:07
done
55:07
that.
55:07
We're
55:08
like,
55:08
these
55:08
are
55:08
our
55:09
things.
55:09
This
55:09
is
55:09
what
55:09
we
55:10
believe.
55:10
And
55:10
then
55:10
someone's
55:11
like,
55:11
what
55:11
if
55:11
we
55:11
were
55:12
wrong
55:12
about
55:12
homosexuality
55:13
or,
55:14
you
55:14
know,
55:14
same
55:14
sex
55:14
marriage?
55:15
And
55:15
people
55:15
like,
55:16
that's
55:16
not
55:16
Christianity.
55:17
That's
55:17
new.
55:18
I
55:18
feel
55:18
like,
55:18
you
55:18
know,
55:19
I
55:19
feel
55:19
like
55:19
we
55:19
do
55:19
the
55:19
same
55:19
thing
55:20
a
55:20
little
55:20
bit,
55:20
you
55:21
know.
55:21
Yeah.
55:22
I
55:22
wonder
55:22
if
55:23
the,
55:23
I
55:24
wonder
55:24
if
55:24
the
55:24
abolitionists
55:25
and
55:26
the
55:26
Anabaptists
55:28
fighting
55:28
for
55:29
slavery
55:30
to
55:30
be
55:30
abolished
55:30
would
55:31
say
55:31
the
55:31
same
55:31
thing.
55:32
Yeah,
55:32
yeah.
55:33
They
55:33
were
55:33
like,
55:33
jane
55:33
Foster
55:34
can't
55:34
be
55:34
Thor.
55:35
Like,
55:35
chill,
55:35
dude.
55:35
Oh,
55:36
those,
55:36
those
55:36
guys,
55:38
Josh.
55:38
Those,
55:38
those
55:39
are
55:39
unwashed
55:39
basement
55:40
folk.
55:40
Yeah.
55:41
And
55:41
I
55:41
don't,
55:41
I
55:42
don't
55:42
associate
55:43
well.
55:43
Ryan
55:44
just
55:44
called
55:44
Anabaptist
55:45
unwashed
55:45
basement
55:46
folk
55:46
in
55:46
my
55:46
mind.
55:47
So.
55:50
Before
55:50
I.
55:51
Before
55:51
the,
55:52
before
55:52
the
55:52
peace
55:53
tradition,
55:53
Anabaptists
55:54
come
55:55
after
55:55
me
55:55
on
55:55
the
55:55
Internet,
55:58
I
55:58
would
55:58
just
55:58
like
55:58
to
55:59
say
55:59
I.
56:00
There's
56:01
the
56:01
church
56:01
that
56:02
I've
56:02
been
56:02
attending
56:03
somewhat
56:03
regularly
56:03
with
56:04
Kim
56:04
and
56:04
our
56:05
kids
56:05
and
56:05
my
56:06
parents
56:06
go.
56:06
There
56:07
is
56:07
a
56:07
Mennonite
56:09
community
56:09
of
56:09
mostly
56:10
like
56:10
70
56:11
people
56:11
in
56:11
their
56:11
70s
56:12
and
56:12
80s
56:12
and
56:13
they
56:13
might
56:13
be
56:13
the
56:13
most
56:13
peace
56:14
loving
56:14
people
56:14
I've
56:15
ever
56:15
met.
56:16
We're
56:16
celebrating
56:17
the
56:17
history
56:18
of
56:18
Anabaptism
56:19
this
56:19
year.
56:20
And
56:20
that
56:20
honestly,
56:21
it
56:21
is
56:21
incredible
56:22
to
56:22
learn
56:22
about
56:22
like
56:23
parts
56:24
of
56:24
the
56:24
church's
56:25
history
56:25
that
56:26
I
56:26
did
56:26
not
56:26
know
56:27
about
56:27
and
56:28
I
56:28
definitely
56:28
wasn't
56:29
taught
56:29
at
56:29
my
56:29
conservative
56:30
Baptist
56:30
college.
56:31
Yeah,
56:32
that
56:32
is
56:32
pretty
56:32
cool.
56:34
But
56:34
if
56:34
you
56:35
wanted
56:35
to
56:35
maybe
56:36
hear
56:36
some
56:36
more
56:36
of
56:36
that,
56:36
maybe
56:37
pick
56:37
his
56:37
brain
56:37
a
56:37
little
56:37
bit,
56:38
then
56:39
there's
56:40
one
56:40
really
56:40
easy
56:40
way
56:41
to
56:41
do
56:41
that.
56:41
But
56:41
there's
56:41
one
56:41
really
56:41
cool
56:42
way
56:42
to
56:42
do
56:42
that,
56:42
and
56:42
that's
56:43
going
56:43
to
56:43
be
56:43
theology
56:43
Beer
56:44
camp.
56:44
Yeah,
56:45
yeah.
56:45
You
56:45
bet
56:46
your
56:46
bottom
56:46
dollar.
56:47
So,
56:47
Leah,
56:47
what
56:48
practical
56:48
lessons
56:49
can
56:49
we
56:49
learn
56:50
from
56:50
all
56:50
of
56:50
these
56:51
stories?
56:51
And
56:52
I
56:52
need
56:52
specific
56:53
examples
56:53
from
56:53
every
56:54
franchise
56:54
that
56:54
has
56:54
been
56:55
mentioned.
56:58
You
56:58
brought
56:58
me
56:58
on
56:58
here
56:59
and
56:59
gave
56:59
me
56:59
a
56:59
time
56:59
limit,
57:00
which
57:00
was
57:00
really
57:00
your
57:00
first
57:01
mistake.
57:02
No,
57:02
but
57:02
really,
57:03
I
57:03
mean,
57:03
biblical
57:04
ones.
57:04
Well,
57:04
don't
57:05
go
57:05
to
57:05
Camp
57:05
Crystal
57:06
Lake.
57:06
That's
57:06
a
57:06
very
57:06
practical
57:07
one.
57:09
Anything
57:10
named
57:10
Crystal
57:10
or
57:10
Lake,
57:11
don't
57:11
go.
57:11
I
57:11
was
57:11
going
57:11
to
57:11
say
57:12
stay
57:12
away
57:12
from
57:12
Elm
57:13
street
57:13
if
57:13
at
57:13
all
57:14
possible.
57:15
That's
57:15
actually
57:15
a
57:15
pretty
57:16
easy.
57:16
Those
57:16
are
57:16
two
57:16
easy
57:17
ones
57:17
to
57:17
avoid,
57:18
you
57:18
know,
57:18
disaster.
57:21
Practically
57:21
speaking.
57:22
What
57:22
can
57:22
we
57:22
take
57:22
from
57:23
horror
57:23
films?
57:23
I
57:24
mean,
57:24
when
57:25
I
57:25
watch
57:25
the
57:25
ones
57:25
that
57:26
I
57:26
speak
57:26
of
57:26
that
57:27
I
57:27
love
57:27
the
57:27
most,
57:28
it
57:28
really
57:29
is
57:30
this
57:30
idea
57:31
that
57:32
the
57:32
people
57:32
in
57:32
the
57:33
story,
57:33
who
57:33
you're.
57:33
You're
57:34
rooting
57:34
for,
57:34
are
57:35
rising
57:35
above
57:35
their
57:36
circumstance.
57:37
And
57:37
I
57:37
think
57:37
there
57:38
is
57:38
something
57:38
inherently
57:41
attractive
57:41
to
57:42
me
57:42
about
57:42
that.
57:43
And
57:43
I
57:43
know
57:44
we
57:44
can
57:44
go
57:44
in
57:44
the
57:44
background,
57:45
although
57:45
you
57:45
all
57:45
know
57:45
it
57:45
at
57:46
this
57:46
stage
57:46
about
57:47
growing
57:47
up
57:47
where
57:47
I
57:47
did
57:48
and
57:48
how
57:48
I
57:48
did.
57:49
But
57:49
I
57:49
do
57:49
think
57:49
whether
57:49
it's
57:50
coming
57:50
together
57:50
to
57:51
fight
57:51
a
57:51
common
57:51
enemy,
57:52
which
57:52
is
57:52
a
57:52
very
57:52
common
57:53
thing
57:53
in
57:53
sci
57:53
fi
57:53
as
57:54
well,
57:54
or
57:56
simply
57:56
rising
57:57
above,
57:57
you
57:57
know,
57:58
all
57:58
of
57:58
this
57:59
stuff
57:59
that's
58:00
created
58:00
a
58:00
world
58:01
that
58:01
is
58:01
inherently
58:02
selfish
58:02
or
58:02
terrible.
58:03
Those
58:04
are
58:04
the
58:04
ones
58:04
that
58:04
I
58:05
really
58:05
like,
58:06
are
58:07
freeing
58:07
off
58:07
or
58:08
getting
58:08
oppression
58:09
out
58:09
the
58:09
window
58:09
or
58:09
whatever.
58:10
So
58:10
anyway,
58:11
next
58:11
time
58:12
bring
58:12
me
58:12
on
58:12
and
58:12
go
58:13
for
58:13
two
58:13
hours
58:14
and
58:14
it'll
58:14
be
58:14
fine.
58:18
Yeah.
58:19
For
58:19
those
58:19
who
58:19
are
58:19
wondering,
58:20
we
58:20
asked
58:20
her
58:20
because
58:20
she
58:21
is
58:21
a
58:21
practical
58:21
theologian
58:22
who
58:22
writes
58:22
books
58:23
about
58:23
practical
58:23
theology.
58:25
I
58:25
will
58:25
say
58:26
I
58:26
do
58:26
have
58:26
books
58:26
out
58:27
about
58:27
that
58:27
and
58:27
I'm,
58:28
I,
58:28
I'm
58:28
current,
58:29
I've
58:29
just
58:29
published
58:30
one
58:30
on
58:30
Covid
58:30
and
58:31
how
58:31
we
58:31
reacted
58:31
in
58:31
Covet.
58:32
And
58:32
so
58:32
Covet
58:33
in
58:33
itself
58:33
was
58:33
a.
58:33
Little
58:33
bit
58:34
of
58:34
a
58:34
lived
58:34
in
58:34
horror.
58:35
Right.
58:35
I
58:36
lived
58:36
in
58:36
horror
58:37
film
58:37
in
58:37
itself.
58:38
And
58:38
how
58:38
we
58:39
reacted,
58:40
honestly,
58:40
is
58:40
kind
58:41
of
58:41
what
58:41
the
58:41
book
58:42
is
58:42
about
58:42
is.
58:43
And
58:44
Will
58:44
quite
58:44
rightly
58:45
has
58:45
messaged
58:45
me
58:45
about.
58:46
Let's
58:46
write
58:46
one
58:46
that's
58:47
like
58:47
about
58:48
what
58:48
the
58:48
good
58:48
guys
58:49
did.
58:49
I
58:49
got
58:49
some
58:50
good
58:50
stories,
58:50
I
58:50
got
58:50
some
58:51
good
58:51
news
58:51
stories.
58:52
This
58:52
is
58:53
the
58:53
horror
58:53
book.
58:54
It's
58:54
about
58:54
the
58:55
bad
58:55
stories.
58:56
We'll
58:56
write
58:56
the
58:56
sci
58:57
fi
58:57
version.
58:58
Right.
58:59
But
59:00
I
59:00
think,
59:00
you
59:01
know,
59:01
it
59:01
is.
59:01
People
59:02
are
59:02
super
59:03
able
59:03
to
59:03
rise
59:03
above
59:04
the
59:04
stuff
59:04
that's
59:04
happening
59:05
around
59:05
them.
59:05
And
59:05
I
59:05
think,
59:06
I
59:06
think
59:06
horror
59:07
films
59:07
really
59:08
show
59:08
that.
59:10
So
59:10
if
59:10
you're
59:11
listening,
59:11
don't
59:11
forget
59:11
to
59:12
check
59:12
out
59:12
Theology
59:13
Beer
59:13
Camp.
59:13
We
59:13
would
59:13
love
59:14
to
59:14
see
59:14
you
59:14
there.
59:15
Also,
59:16
Leah,
59:16
where
59:17
can
59:17
we
59:17
find
59:18
your
59:18
new
59:18
book?
59:20
So
59:20
you
59:20
can
59:20
find
59:20
my
59:20
new
59:21
book,
59:22
Bad
59:22
Theology
59:23
and
59:23
Covid's
59:23
Palgrave
59:24
McMillan.
59:25
Send
59:26
me
59:26
a
59:26
message.
59:26
Bad
59:27
Theology
59:27
in
59:27
a
59:27
Time
59:28
of
59:28
Oppression
59:29
in
59:29
the
59:29
Name
59:29
of
59:29
God
59:29
is
59:29
on
59:30
SCM
59:30
Press
59:31
and
59:31
also
59:31
Amazon
59:31
and
59:32
you're
59:32
good
59:32
to
59:32
go
59:32
there.
59:34
I
59:34
have
59:34
a
59:34
new
59:34
book
59:34
coming
59:34
out
59:35
called.
59:36
Well,
59:36
I
59:36
don't
59:37
have
59:37
a
59:37
title
59:37
but
59:37
it'll
59:37
be
59:37
sexy
59:38
and
59:38
Bad
59:38
Theology
59:39
will
59:39
be
59:39
in
59:39
it.
59:39
And
59:40
it's
59:40
about
59:40
conversion
59:41
therapy.
59:41
It's
59:41
with
59:41
Bloomsbury
59:42
Press
59:42
and
59:43
so
59:43
I'm
59:43
doing
59:43
a
59:43
lot
59:44
of
59:44
ethnographical
59:45
stuff
59:45
with
59:45
people
59:46
who
59:46
survived
59:47
conversion
59:48
therapy.
59:49
Yeah,
59:50
so
59:50
a
59:51
lot
59:51
about
59:51
that
59:51
one.
59:51
Do
59:52
you
59:52
know
59:52
about
59:52
like
59:53
the
59:53
release
59:53
date
59:53
frame?
59:54
Is
59:54
there
59:54
like
59:54
a.
59:55
For
59:55
the
59:55
conversion
59:56
therapy
59:56
book?
59:57
Yeah,
59:57
yeah.
59:58
So
59:58
it's
59:58
due
59:58
next
59:59
September.
59:59
She
59:59
says
59:59
as
1:00:00
she
1:00:01
slowly
1:00:01
falls
1:00:01
before.
1:00:02
Yeah.
1:00:02
And
1:00:03
probably
1:00:03
it
1:00:04
tends
1:00:04
to
1:00:04
be
1:00:05
about
1:00:05
four
1:00:06
months
1:00:07
after
1:00:08
when
1:00:08
it's
1:00:08
all
1:00:08
said
1:00:09
and
1:00:09
done
1:00:09
well
1:00:10
with
1:00:10
the,
1:00:10
the
1:00:10
good.
1:00:10
I
1:00:11
mean,
1:00:11
I
1:00:11
don't
1:00:11
want
1:00:11
to
1:00:12
like
1:00:12
brag,
1:00:12
but
1:00:13
if
1:00:13
you're
1:00:13
doing
1:00:13
it
1:00:13
with
1:00:13
an
1:00:14
academic
1:00:14
publisher.
1:00:14
They.
1:00:15
They
1:00:15
know
1:00:15
what
1:00:15
they're
1:00:15
doing.
1:00:15
They've
1:00:16
got.
1:00:16
They've
1:00:16
got
1:00:16
their
1:00:17
stuff.
1:00:17
Right.
1:00:18
Early
1:00:18
20,
1:00:19
26
1:00:19
is
1:00:20
what
1:00:20
I'm
1:00:20
hearing.
1:00:20
There
1:00:20
you
1:00:21
go.
1:00:21
Yeah,
1:00:22
do
1:00:22
the
1:00:22
math
1:00:22
for
1:00:22
me
1:00:22
because
1:00:23
I
1:00:23
should.
1:00:23
Well,
1:00:23
we
1:00:24
need
1:00:24
to
1:00:24
have
1:00:24
you
1:00:24
back
1:00:24
on
1:00:24
to
1:00:25
talk
1:00:25
about
1:00:25
that
1:00:25
when
1:00:26
the
1:00:26
date
1:00:26
comes
1:00:26
closer
1:00:26
too.
1:00:27
That
1:00:27
would
1:00:27
be
1:00:27
great.
1:00:28
Love
1:00:28
you
1:00:28
guys.
1:00:28
Yeah.
1:00:29
Yeah.
1:00:30
So
1:00:30
one
1:00:30
thing
1:00:30
we.
1:00:30
We
1:00:31
always
1:00:31
do,
1:00:31
because
1:00:31
I
1:00:31
forgot
1:00:31
it
1:00:32
was
1:00:32
my
1:00:32
part,
1:00:33
we
1:00:33
do
1:00:33
like
1:00:33
to
1:00:33
ask
1:00:33
everybody
1:00:34
for
1:00:34
practical
1:00:35
application,
1:00:37
kind
1:00:37
of
1:00:37
more
1:00:37
of
1:00:38
like
1:00:38
around
1:00:38
church
1:00:38
unity
1:00:39
specifically,
1:00:39
like,
1:00:40
what
1:00:40
is
1:00:40
something
1:00:40
our
1:00:40
listeners
1:00:41
could
1:00:41
stop
1:00:41
and
1:00:41
do
1:00:41
right
1:00:41
now
1:00:41
that
1:00:42
would
1:00:42
help
1:00:42
better
1:00:42
engender
1:00:43
unity
1:00:43
in
1:00:43
the
1:00:43
church?
1:00:44
That's
1:00:44
how
1:00:44
I'm
1:00:44
supposed
1:00:44
to
1:00:45
word
1:00:45
this
1:00:45
question.
1:00:46
Yeah.
1:00:47
Do
1:00:47
you
1:00:47
have
1:00:47
any
1:00:47
ideas
1:00:47
of,
1:00:47
like,
1:00:48
what's
1:00:48
something
1:00:48
people
1:00:48
could
1:00:49
stop
1:00:49
and
1:00:49
do
1:00:49
right
1:00:49
now?
1:00:51
I
1:00:52
think
1:00:53
for
1:00:53
me
1:00:53
personally,
1:00:53
I
1:00:54
think
1:00:54
to
1:00:54
see.
1:00:55
See
1:00:56
you
1:00:56
as
1:00:57
being
1:00:57
a
1:00:57
part
1:00:57
of
1:00:57
a
1:00:58
story,
1:00:58
not
1:00:58
only
1:00:58
just
1:00:58
your
1:00:59
own
1:00:59
story,
1:00:59
but
1:00:59
a
1:00:59
part
1:01:00
of
1:01:00
other
1:01:00
people's
1:01:00
story
1:01:00
too.
1:01:01
You
1:01:01
have
1:01:01
an
1:01:01
effect
1:01:01
on
1:01:02
other
1:01:02
people.
1:01:03
So
1:01:03
if
1:01:03
I
1:01:03
meet
1:01:03
somebody
1:01:04
new,
1:01:04
I'm
1:01:04
already
1:01:05
impacting
1:01:06
their
1:01:06
story,
1:01:06
have
1:01:06
an
1:01:07
influence
1:01:07
on
1:01:07
them
1:01:07
and
1:01:07
them
1:01:08
on
1:01:08
me.
1:01:08
So
1:01:09
to
1:01:09
see
1:01:10
us
1:01:10
as
1:01:11
players
1:01:11
and
1:01:11
characters
1:01:12
in
1:01:12
each
1:01:12
other's
1:01:13
stories.
1:01:13
So
1:01:13
whether
1:01:14
it's
1:01:14
in
1:01:14
the
1:01:14
scripture
1:01:15
or
1:01:15
whether
1:01:15
it's
1:01:15
in
1:01:15
the
1:01:16
stories
1:01:16
that
1:01:16
we
1:01:16
like
1:01:16
to
1:01:17
go
1:01:17
to,
1:01:17
the
1:01:17
movie,
1:01:18
movies,
1:01:18
the
1:01:18
big
1:01:19
screen
1:01:19
or
1:01:19
stream
1:01:20
on
1:01:20
our
1:01:20
TVs,
1:01:20
they're
1:01:21
all
1:01:21
there
1:01:21
to
1:01:21
help
1:01:21
us
1:01:21
process
1:01:22
our
1:01:22
own
1:01:22
story.
1:01:22
And
1:01:22
so
1:01:23
I
1:01:23
think
1:01:23
we
1:01:23
see
1:01:23
ourselves
1:01:24
as
1:01:24
each
1:01:24
other,
1:01:26
as
1:01:26
each
1:01:26
other
1:01:26
in
1:01:27
our
1:01:27
own
1:01:27
stories.
1:01:28
I
1:01:28
think
1:01:28
that
1:01:28
can
1:01:28
make
1:01:28
an
1:01:29
impact.
1:01:29
And
1:01:29
I
1:01:29
don't
1:01:29
want
1:01:29
to
1:01:30
be
1:01:30
the
1:01:30
villain
1:01:30
in
1:01:30
my
1:01:30
story.
1:01:30
I
1:01:31
don't
1:01:31
want
1:01:31
to
1:01:31
be
1:01:31
the
1:01:31
villain
1:01:31
in
1:01:31
somebody
1:01:32
else's
1:01:32
story.
1:01:32
How
1:01:32
can
1:01:32
I
1:01:33
help
1:01:33
them
1:01:33
thrive
1:01:34
in
1:01:34
their
1:01:34
own
1:01:34
story?
1:01:35
I
1:01:35
think
1:01:35
is
1:01:35
something
1:01:36
to
1:01:36
always
1:01:36
keep
1:01:37
in
1:01:37
mind
1:01:37
when
1:01:38
you're
1:01:38
interacting
1:01:38
with
1:01:38
other
1:01:39
people
1:01:39
and
1:01:39
communities.
1:01:40
So
1:01:41
write
1:01:41
a
1:01:41
story
1:01:41
about
1:01:41
someone
1:01:41
you
1:01:42
met.
1:01:42
Yeah.
1:01:43
So
1:01:43
what
1:01:43
changes
1:01:44
in
1:01:44
the
1:01:44
world
1:01:45
around
1:01:45
us
1:01:45
if
1:01:45
everyone
1:01:46
just.
1:01:47
What
1:01:47
does
1:01:47
that
1:01:48
man.
1:01:48
I
1:01:49
think,
1:01:49
I
1:01:49
think
1:01:51
just
1:01:51
the
1:01:51
whole.
1:01:52
I
1:01:52
don't
1:01:52
want
1:01:52
to
1:01:52
be
1:01:52
the
1:01:53
bad
1:01:53
guy
1:01:53
in
1:01:53
somebody
1:01:53
else's
1:01:54
story.
1:01:55
I
1:01:55
really
1:01:55
don't.
1:01:57
If
1:01:57
I
1:01:57
made
1:01:57
somebody
1:01:58
mad
1:01:58
today,
1:01:58
there's.
1:01:58
Listen
1:01:58
to
1:01:59
this
1:01:59
or.
1:01:59
Yeah,
1:02:00
you
1:02:00
misinterpret
1:02:01
something
1:02:01
I
1:02:01
said.
1:02:01
I'm
1:02:02
really
1:02:02
sorry.
1:02:02
I
1:02:02
don't
1:02:02
want
1:02:02
to
1:02:02
be
1:02:02
the
1:02:03
bad
1:02:03
guy
1:02:03
in
1:02:03
your
1:02:03
story.
1:02:03
I
1:02:04
really
1:02:04
don't.
1:02:05
We
1:02:05
all
1:02:05
just
1:02:06
want
1:02:06
to
1:02:06
be
1:02:06
liked
1:02:06
by
1:02:06
everybody,
1:02:07
really.
1:02:09
I
1:02:09
think
1:02:09
realistically
1:02:10
were
1:02:10
all
1:02:11
at
1:02:11
some
1:02:12
point
1:02:12
the
1:02:12
bad
1:02:12
guy
1:02:12
in
1:02:12
somebody's
1:02:13
story.
1:02:13
So
1:02:13
yeah,
1:02:14
it's
1:02:14
true.
1:02:14
So.
1:02:15
Right.
1:02:16
I'm
1:02:16
really
1:02:17
good
1:02:17
at
1:02:17
it.
1:02:18
I
1:02:18
Think.
1:02:19
Do
1:02:19
you
1:02:19
want
1:02:19
me
1:02:19
to
1:02:19
go
1:02:20
or.
1:02:20
Yes,
1:02:21
please.
1:02:22
So
1:02:22
I.
1:02:23
For
1:02:24
me,
1:02:24
I
1:02:25
think
1:02:25
it's
1:02:26
making
1:02:26
people
1:02:26
within
1:02:27
the
1:02:27
church,
1:02:29
and
1:02:29
not
1:02:29
even
1:02:29
within
1:02:29
the
1:02:30
church,
1:02:30
actually
1:02:30
everyone
1:02:31
in
1:02:31
your,
1:02:31
your
1:02:31
sphere
1:02:32
feel
1:02:33
good
1:02:34
about
1:02:34
the
1:02:34
things
1:02:34
that
1:02:34
they
1:02:35
do
1:02:35
well.
1:02:36
And
1:02:36
I.
1:02:36
And
1:02:36
I.
1:02:36
That
1:02:37
sounds
1:02:37
really
1:02:37
simple,
1:02:37
but.
1:02:38
But
1:02:39
as
1:02:39
someone
1:02:39
who
1:02:40
felt
1:02:40
quite
1:02:40
ostracized
1:02:41
by
1:02:41
the
1:02:42
church
1:02:42
at
1:02:42
different
1:02:43
points
1:02:44
in
1:02:44
my
1:02:44
life,
1:02:44
I
1:02:45
think
1:02:45
it's
1:02:45
really
1:02:45
important
1:02:45
to
1:02:46
see
1:02:46
what
1:02:46
people
1:02:47
are
1:02:47
trying
1:02:47
to
1:02:47
bring
1:02:48
to
1:02:48
you
1:02:49
again
1:02:49
in
1:02:49
friendship,
1:02:50
relationships,
1:02:51
church
1:02:51
life,
1:02:52
and
1:02:52
to
1:02:52
really
1:02:52
encourage
1:02:53
that
1:02:54
if
1:02:54
it's
1:02:54
coming
1:02:55
from
1:02:55
a
1:02:55
place,
1:02:56
you
1:02:56
know,
1:02:56
someone
1:02:56
wants
1:02:57
to
1:02:57
read
1:02:57
a
1:02:57
scripture
1:02:58
or
1:02:58
someone
1:02:58
wants
1:02:58
to
1:02:59
go
1:03:00
on
1:03:00
a
1:03:00
hike
1:03:00
with
1:03:00
you,
1:03:01
or
1:03:01
someone
1:03:01
wants
1:03:02
to,
1:03:02
you
1:03:02
know,
1:03:03
whatever
1:03:03
it
1:03:03
may
1:03:03
be,
1:03:03
it's
1:03:04
is.
1:03:04
Is
1:03:04
seeing
1:03:05
people
1:03:06
and
1:03:06
where
1:03:06
they're
1:03:06
coming
1:03:07
from.
1:03:07
And
1:03:07
this
1:03:07
is
1:03:07
really
1:03:08
coming
1:03:08
from
1:03:08
me
1:03:09
dating
1:03:09
an
1:03:09
introvert.
1:03:10
It's
1:03:10
such
1:03:10
a
1:03:10
different
1:03:11
world
1:03:11
I
1:03:12
just
1:03:12
came
1:03:12
into.
1:03:12
This
1:03:12
is
1:03:13
clearly
1:03:13
coming
1:03:13
across.
1:03:14
I
1:03:14
come
1:03:14
into
1:03:14
the
1:03:14
world
1:03:15
guns
1:03:15
a
1:03:15
blazing
1:03:15
and
1:03:16
I'm
1:03:16
just
1:03:16
like
1:03:16
firing
1:03:17
it
1:03:17
all
1:03:17
can,
1:03:18
you
1:03:18
know,
1:03:18
whatever.
1:03:18
And
1:03:19
I'm
1:03:19
like,
1:03:19
if
1:03:19
you're
1:03:19
my
1:03:19
friend,
1:03:19
you're
1:03:20
my
1:03:20
friend
1:03:20
and
1:03:20
all
1:03:20
of
1:03:20
you
1:03:20
are
1:03:20
my
1:03:21
friends.
1:03:21
And
1:03:21
actually
1:03:22
dating
1:03:22
a
1:03:22
geeky
1:03:23
introvert
1:03:23
has
1:03:24
really
1:03:24
helped
1:03:24
me
1:03:24
see
1:03:24
that.
1:03:25
Sometimes
1:03:26
you
1:03:26
have
1:03:26
to
1:03:26
see
1:03:26
the
1:03:27
quiet
1:03:27
ones
1:03:27
in
1:03:27
the
1:03:27
corner
1:03:27
and
1:03:28
know
1:03:28
that
1:03:28
they
1:03:28
also
1:03:29
have
1:03:29
a
1:03:29
whole
1:03:29
lot
1:03:30
that's
1:03:30
going
1:03:30
on.
1:03:30
You
1:03:31
just,
1:03:31
you
1:03:31
just
1:03:32
got
1:03:32
to
1:03:32
find
1:03:32
their
1:03:32
thing.
1:03:32
And
1:03:33
so
1:03:33
I
1:03:33
think
1:03:33
with
1:03:33
the
1:03:33
church
1:03:34
especially,
1:03:34
I
1:03:34
think
1:03:34
we
1:03:35
neglect
1:03:35
that
1:03:35
because
1:03:35
we
1:03:35
get
1:03:36
really
1:03:36
in
1:03:36
a
1:03:36
cycle
1:03:37
of
1:03:37
just
1:03:37
keeping
1:03:38
the
1:03:38
wheels
1:03:38
rolling
1:03:39
and
1:03:39
we
1:03:39
don't
1:03:39
see
1:03:40
people's
1:03:40
individuals.
1:03:42
I
1:03:42
want
1:03:42
to
1:03:42
say
1:03:43
read
1:03:44
Sci
1:03:44
Fi.
1:03:44
I
1:03:45
genuinely
1:03:45
think
1:03:45
if
1:03:45
more
1:03:46
people
1:03:46
in
1:03:46
the
1:03:46
church
1:03:46
read
1:03:46
Sci
1:03:47
Fi,
1:03:47
we'd
1:03:47
have
1:03:47
better
1:03:47
church
1:03:48
unity
1:03:48
because
1:03:49
it
1:03:49
makes
1:03:50
you
1:03:50
think
1:03:50
of
1:03:50
the
1:03:50
other
1:03:51
in
1:03:52
situations
1:03:52
like
1:03:52
you
1:03:53
just
1:03:53
can't
1:03:53
deny
1:03:53
their
1:03:54
existence.
1:03:54
Like,
1:03:54
that's
1:03:54
part
1:03:55
of
1:03:55
the
1:03:55
whole
1:03:55
point
1:03:55
of
1:03:55
the
1:03:55
story.
1:03:55
Story.
1:03:56
I
1:03:56
agree
1:03:56
with
1:03:56
that.
1:03:57
Agree
1:03:57
with
1:03:57
that.
1:03:58
So
1:03:58
nice.
1:03:59
Before
1:03:59
we
1:03:59
wrap
1:04:00
up,
1:04:00
we
1:04:00
like
1:04:00
to
1:04:01
do
1:04:01
what
1:04:01
we
1:04:01
call
1:04:01
our
1:04:02
God
1:04:02
moment.
1:04:02
And
1:04:02
we'll
1:04:02
just
1:04:03
take
1:04:03
a
1:04:03
moment
1:04:03
to
1:04:03
share
1:04:04
where
1:04:04
everyone
1:04:05
saw
1:04:05
God
1:04:05
recently,
1:04:05
whether
1:04:06
it
1:04:06
be
1:04:06
a
1:04:06
mode
1:04:07
of
1:04:07
worship
1:04:08
or
1:04:08
a
1:04:08
challenge
1:04:08
or
1:04:09
a
1:04:09
blessing
1:04:09
or
1:04:09
curse
1:04:10
or
1:04:10
whatever
1:04:10
it
1:04:10
is
1:04:10
that
1:04:11
God
1:04:11
has
1:04:11
put
1:04:11
in
1:04:11
front
1:04:12
of
1:04:12
you
1:04:12
recently.
1:04:13
I
1:04:13
always
1:04:13
make
1:04:13
Joshua
1:04:14
go
1:04:14
first.
1:04:15
So,
1:04:16
Joshua,
1:04:17
do
1:04:17
you
1:04:17
have
1:04:17
a
1:04:17
God
1:04:18
moment
1:04:18
for
1:04:18
us
1:04:18
this
1:04:18
week?
1:04:19
Yeah,
1:04:20
we'll
1:04:20
go.
1:04:20
Sweet,
1:04:21
simple,
1:04:21
easy.
1:04:22
There
1:04:22
are
1:04:22
several
1:04:22
moments
1:04:23
all
1:04:23
combined
1:04:24
where
1:04:25
I'm
1:04:25
just
1:04:25
spending
1:04:25
more
1:04:25
time
1:04:25
on
1:04:26
my
1:04:26
porch.
1:04:26
Yeah,
1:04:27
that's
1:04:27
really
1:04:27
cool
1:04:27
to
1:04:28
read
1:04:28
a
1:04:28
little
1:04:28
bit
1:04:28
earlier
1:04:28
today
1:04:29
and
1:04:29
drink
1:04:29
some
1:04:30
orange
1:04:30
aid.
1:04:30
And
1:04:30
the
1:04:31
other
1:04:31
day
1:04:31
me
1:04:31
and
1:04:31
my
1:04:31
wife
1:04:32
played
1:04:32
a
1:04:32
card
1:04:32
game
1:04:32
sitting
1:04:33
on
1:04:33
the
1:04:33
porch
1:04:33
outside.
1:04:34
And
1:04:34
you
1:04:34
Know,
1:04:34
just
1:04:34
those
1:04:35
little
1:04:35
moments
1:04:35
of,
1:04:35
like,
1:04:36
hey,
1:04:36
I
1:04:36
can
1:04:36
be
1:04:36
outside
1:04:37
and
1:04:37
appreciate
1:04:38
Life.
1:04:38
You
1:04:39
play
1:04:39
Blackjack
1:04:39
21?
1:04:40
No,
1:04:40
actually,
1:04:40
it
1:04:40
was
1:04:41
a.
1:04:41
It
1:04:41
was
1:04:41
a
1:04:41
Star
1:04:41
wars
1:04:41
card
1:04:42
game.
1:04:42
Oh,
1:04:43
it's
1:04:43
crazy.
1:04:44
Sabaccar.
1:04:45
Yeah,
1:04:46
it
1:04:46
was
1:04:47
like
1:04:47
a
1:04:47
word
1:04:47
game.
1:04:47
Like,
1:04:48
you
1:04:48
had
1:04:48
to,
1:04:48
like,
1:04:48
guess
1:04:48
what
1:04:48
the
1:04:49
word
1:04:49
was
1:04:49
based
1:04:49
on
1:04:49
a
1:04:49
bunch
1:04:50
of
1:04:50
random
1:04:50
little
1:04:50
images
1:04:50
on
1:04:50
there.
1:04:51
Fun.
1:04:52
Yeah,
1:04:52
that
1:04:52
is
1:04:53
fun.
1:04:53
So
1:04:54
I'll
1:04:54
go
1:04:54
next.
1:04:55
Mine.
1:04:56
It
1:04:56
was
1:04:56
recently
1:04:57
Father's
1:04:57
Day.
1:04:57
I
1:04:58
don't
1:04:58
know
1:04:58
when
1:04:58
this
1:04:58
episode
1:04:58
comes
1:04:59
out,
1:04:59
but
1:05:00
if
1:05:00
you're
1:05:00
listening
1:05:00
to
1:05:00
it
1:05:01
now,
1:05:01
you
1:05:01
know,
1:05:01
when
1:05:01
we
1:05:01
recorded
1:05:02
it
1:05:03
and
1:05:04
I
1:05:04
worked
1:05:04
on
1:05:05
Father's
1:05:05
Day,
1:05:06
and
1:05:06
I
1:05:06
just
1:05:07
thought
1:05:07
it
1:05:07
was,
1:05:07
you
1:05:08
know,
1:05:08
when
1:05:08
I
1:05:08
was
1:05:08
there,
1:05:08
it
1:05:09
was
1:05:09
interesting
1:05:09
to
1:05:09
notice
1:05:10
that
1:05:10
none
1:05:11
of
1:05:11
the
1:05:11
mothers
1:05:11
worked
1:05:12
on
1:05:12
Mother's
1:05:12
Day,
1:05:12
but
1:05:12
all
1:05:12
the
1:05:13
fathers
1:05:13
worked
1:05:13
on
1:05:13
Father's
1:05:14
Day.
1:05:15
I
1:05:15
don't
1:05:15
know
1:05:15
what's
1:05:15
up
1:05:16
with
1:05:16
that.
1:05:18
But
1:05:18
then
1:05:18
it
1:05:18
really
1:05:19
was
1:05:19
like
1:05:19
we
1:05:19
were
1:05:20
expecting
1:05:20
it
1:05:20
to
1:05:20
be
1:05:20
slow,
1:05:21
and
1:05:21
it
1:05:21
wasn't.
1:05:22
And
1:05:22
there
1:05:22
were
1:05:23
just
1:05:23
so
1:05:23
many
1:05:23
people
1:05:23
who
1:05:24
wanted
1:05:24
to
1:05:24
bring
1:05:24
their
1:05:24
dad
1:05:25
to
1:05:25
Chipotle
1:05:25
on
1:05:26
Father's
1:05:26
Day.
1:05:27
And
1:05:27
at
1:05:27
first
1:05:27
I
1:05:27
was
1:05:27
really
1:05:28
annoyed.
1:05:29
It
1:05:29
was
1:05:29
supposed
1:05:30
to
1:05:30
be
1:05:30
an
1:05:30
easy
1:05:30
day.
1:05:31
I
1:05:31
did
1:05:32
have
1:05:32
a
1:05:32
very
1:05:32
slow
1:05:32
day.
1:05:34
That's
1:05:34
so
1:05:34
good
1:05:34
for
1:05:34
you.
1:05:37
But
1:05:38
then
1:05:38
it
1:05:38
was
1:05:38
just.
1:05:38
It
1:05:38
was
1:05:38
nice
1:05:39
to,
1:05:39
you
1:05:39
know,
1:05:39
be
1:05:40
part
1:05:40
of
1:05:40
everyone's
1:05:41
great
1:05:42
Father's
1:05:42
Day.
1:05:43
Yeah.
1:05:43
Because
1:05:43
that's
1:05:44
really
1:05:44
the
1:05:44
part
1:05:44
that
1:05:44
I
1:05:44
like
1:05:45
about
1:05:45
my
1:05:45
job,
1:05:46
specifically
1:05:46
Father's
1:05:47
Day.
1:05:47
I
1:05:47
wait
1:05:48
a
1:05:48
very
1:05:48
long
1:05:48
time
1:05:48
to
1:05:49
get
1:05:49
satisfaction.
1:05:50
Nah.
1:05:51
But
1:05:52
it
1:05:52
was
1:05:53
really
1:05:53
awesome
1:05:53
to,
1:05:54
you
1:05:54
know,
1:05:54
help
1:05:54
a
1:05:55
lot
1:05:55
of
1:05:55
people
1:05:55
have
1:05:55
a
1:05:55
good
1:05:56
Father's
1:05:56
Day.
1:05:57
A
1:05:57
way
1:05:57
that
1:05:57
I
1:05:57
would
1:05:57
never
1:05:57
would
1:05:58
have
1:05:58
figured
1:05:58
would
1:05:58
be
1:05:58
a
1:05:58
good
1:05:59
Father's
1:05:59
Day.
1:06:00
So,
1:06:01
Will,
1:06:01
do
1:06:01
you
1:06:01
have
1:06:01
a
1:06:01
God
1:06:02
moment
1:06:02
for
1:06:02
us?
1:06:03
Yeah,
1:06:04
I.
1:06:04
Not
1:06:05
too
1:06:05
long
1:06:05
ago.
1:06:05
I
1:06:05
don't
1:06:06
know
1:06:06
when
1:06:06
this.
1:06:06
This
1:06:06
is
1:06:06
gonna
1:06:07
come
1:06:07
out,
1:06:07
but
1:06:07
I.
1:06:08
I
1:06:08
was
1:06:08
able
1:06:08
to
1:06:08
make
1:06:08
a
1:06:08
trip
1:06:09
to
1:06:09
Hawaii,
1:06:09
and
1:06:09
I
1:06:10
was
1:06:10
actually
1:06:10
in
1:06:11
the
1:06:11
ranch
1:06:11
in
1:06:12
the
1:06:12
place
1:06:12
where
1:06:12
they
1:06:12
filmed
1:06:13
some
1:06:13
Jurassic
1:06:13
park
1:06:14
and
1:06:14
Jurassic
1:06:14
World
1:06:14
stuff.
1:06:15
So
1:06:15
it
1:06:15
was
1:06:15
pretty
1:06:15
cool
1:06:16
to
1:06:16
see
1:06:16
that
1:06:16
valley
1:06:17
and
1:06:17
ranch.
1:06:17
And
1:06:18
you
1:06:18
know
1:06:18
that.
1:06:18
That
1:06:18
is
1:06:19
that
1:06:19
tree.
1:06:19
That
1:06:20
tree
1:06:20
where
1:06:20
they
1:06:20
hide
1:06:21
behind
1:06:21
and
1:06:21
that.
1:06:21
Like
1:06:21
the.
1:06:22
The.
1:06:22
All
1:06:23
the
1:06:23
dinosaurs
1:06:23
run
1:06:24
and
1:06:24
jump
1:06:24
over
1:06:25
that.
1:06:25
I
1:06:25
saw
1:06:26
the
1:06:26
actual
1:06:27
little
1:06:27
tree
1:06:28
where
1:06:28
that
1:06:28
was.
1:06:28
I
1:06:29
got
1:06:29
our
1:06:29
picture
1:06:29
next
1:06:29
to
1:06:29
it,
1:06:30
so
1:06:30
that
1:06:30
was
1:06:30
pretty
1:06:30
cool.
1:06:31
So
1:06:31
call
1:06:31
back
1:06:32
to
1:06:32
Drastic
1:06:33
Park
1:06:33
World
1:06:34
movies.
1:06:35
And
1:06:35
in
1:06:35
this
1:06:36
episode,
1:06:36
I
1:06:36
was
1:06:36
able
1:06:37
to
1:06:37
see
1:06:37
the
1:06:37
spot
1:06:37
where
1:06:37
they
1:06:38
filmed
1:06:38
some
1:06:38
of
1:06:38
it.
1:06:38
And
1:06:38
that
1:06:39
was
1:06:39
pretty
1:06:39
fun.
1:06:39
Gorgeous.
1:06:40
Gorgeous.
1:06:40
We
1:06:41
took
1:06:41
my
1:06:41
mom
1:06:41
and.
1:06:42
And
1:06:42
who
1:06:42
has
1:06:42
dementia,
1:06:43
and
1:06:43
she
1:06:43
doesn't
1:06:43
remember
1:06:43
the
1:06:43
whole
1:06:44
whole
1:06:44
thing,
1:06:44
but
1:06:44
she
1:06:44
remembers
1:06:45
parts
1:06:45
of
1:06:45
it.
1:06:45
And
1:06:45
while
1:06:45
we
1:06:45
were
1:06:46
in
1:06:46
that
1:06:46
ranch,
1:06:46
she
1:06:47
it
1:06:47
brought
1:06:47
her
1:06:47
to
1:06:48
tears
1:06:48
many
1:06:48
times
1:06:49
being
1:06:49
there
1:06:50
because
1:06:50
how
1:06:50
beautiful
1:06:50
it
1:06:50
was
1:06:51
and
1:06:51
made
1:06:51
it
1:06:51
all
1:06:51
worth
1:06:51
it.
1:06:51
God
1:06:52
moment.
1:06:52
Yeah,
1:06:52
that
1:06:52
is
1:06:53
beautiful.
1:06:54
All
1:06:54
right,
1:06:54
Leah,
1:06:55
take
1:06:55
us
1:06:55
home.
1:06:56
Do
1:06:56
you
1:06:56
have
1:06:56
a
1:06:56
God
1:06:56
moment?
1:06:57
Yeah.
1:06:57
So,
1:06:58
tj,
1:06:58
mine's
1:06:58
kind
1:06:58
of
1:06:59
related
1:06:59
to
1:06:59
yours,
1:07:00
actually.
1:07:02
It
1:07:02
really
1:07:02
is.
1:07:03
And
1:07:04
I
1:07:04
will
1:07:04
say,
1:07:04
gender
1:07:04
roles
1:07:05
can
1:07:05
work
1:07:05
for
1:07:05
us
1:07:05
and
1:07:05
against
1:07:06
us.
1:07:06
Reply,
1:07:07
your
1:07:09
Father's
1:07:09
Day
1:07:09
working.
1:07:12
And
1:07:12
certainly
1:07:13
it
1:07:13
can
1:07:13
be
1:07:13
reverse
1:07:14
misogyny
1:07:14
in
1:07:14
many
1:07:15
ways,
1:07:15
but.
1:07:17
So
1:07:17
I
1:07:17
have
1:07:17
started
1:07:18
working
1:07:18
at
1:07:18
a
1:07:18
bar
1:07:19
down
1:07:19
the
1:07:19
road
1:07:20
on
1:07:20
Saturdays.
1:07:21
Nice.
1:07:22
And
1:07:22
I
1:07:22
will
1:07:23
say
1:07:24
I
1:07:24
don't
1:07:24
need
1:07:25
to,
1:07:25
but
1:07:26
I've
1:07:26
started
1:07:26
doing
1:07:26
it,
1:07:27
and
1:07:27
it's
1:07:27
the
1:07:27
most
1:07:28
fun.
1:07:28
It's
1:07:28
how
1:07:28
I
1:07:28
knew
1:07:28
I
1:07:29
was
1:07:29
like,
1:07:29
that's
1:07:29
pernicious.
1:07:30
Well,
1:07:30
I
1:07:30
know
1:07:30
what
1:07:30
that
1:07:31
is.
1:07:31
It's
1:07:32
a
1:07:32
whole
1:07:32
other
1:07:32
thing.
1:07:33
And
1:07:33
I
1:07:33
would
1:07:33
totally
1:07:34
recommend
1:07:34
it
1:07:34
because
1:07:35
we
1:07:35
can
1:07:35
get.
1:07:36
I'm
1:07:36
teaching
1:07:37
still.
1:07:37
I'm
1:07:37
preaching.
1:07:38
I'm
1:07:38
this.
1:07:38
This
1:07:38
fancy
1:07:39
academic.
1:07:39
I
1:07:40
write
1:07:40
books,
1:07:40
but
1:07:41
we
1:07:41
forget
1:07:41
a
1:07:41
lot,
1:07:42
I
1:07:42
think.
1:07:42
And
1:07:43
so,
1:07:43
my
1:07:43
God
1:07:43
moment
1:07:44
is
1:07:45
from
1:07:45
the
1:07:45
bar
1:07:46
is
1:07:46
just.
1:07:46
There
1:07:46
was
1:07:47
one
1:07:47
moment
1:07:47
where
1:07:48
I
1:07:48
had
1:07:48
a
1:07:48
crowd.
1:07:49
Not
1:07:49
a
1:07:49
crowd,
1:07:49
but,
1:07:50
like,
1:07:50
five
1:07:50
or
1:07:50
six
1:07:50
people
1:07:51
who
1:07:51
I
1:07:51
was
1:07:51
just
1:07:51
chatting
1:07:52
to.
1:07:53
And
1:07:53
honestly,
1:07:53
it's
1:07:54
the
1:07:54
most
1:07:54
ministry
1:07:55
I've
1:07:55
ever.
1:07:55
I've
1:07:56
not
1:07:56
ever
1:07:56
done,
1:07:56
but
1:07:56
I've
1:07:57
done
1:07:57
in
1:07:57
a
1:07:57
long
1:07:57
while.
1:08:01
Talks
1:08:01
about
1:08:01
the
1:08:01
same
1:08:02
thing.
1:08:02
I
1:08:02
think
1:08:03
five
1:08:03
or
1:08:03
six
1:08:03
is
1:08:03
a
1:08:04
small
1:08:04
crowd.
1:08:04
I
1:08:04
think
1:08:04
that
1:08:05
counts.
1:08:05
Yeah.
1:08:06
Like,
1:08:06
it
1:08:07
was.
1:08:07
It
1:08:08
was
1:08:08
great.
1:08:08
And
1:08:09
we
1:08:09
were
1:08:09
talking,
1:08:10
like,
1:08:10
the
1:08:10
one
1:08:10
guy
1:08:11
was
1:08:11
telling
1:08:11
me
1:08:11
about
1:08:12
going
1:08:12
back
1:08:12
to
1:08:12
school,
1:08:13
and
1:08:13
another
1:08:13
guy
1:08:14
was,
1:08:14
you
1:08:14
know,
1:08:14
talking
1:08:15
to
1:08:15
me
1:08:15
about
1:08:15
Georgia
1:08:15
football.
1:08:16
And
1:08:16
then,
1:08:17
you
1:08:17
know,
1:08:17
someone
1:08:18
else
1:08:18
was
1:08:18
talking
1:08:18
to
1:08:18
me
1:08:18
about
1:08:19
what
1:08:19
I
1:08:19
teach.
1:08:19
And
1:08:20
I
1:08:20
think
1:08:20
it
1:08:21
was
1:08:21
just
1:08:21
this
1:08:21
thing
1:08:22
of,
1:08:22
like,
1:08:23
it
1:08:23
probably
1:08:23
was
1:08:23
like
1:08:23
a
1:08:24
little
1:08:24
mini
1:08:24
beer
1:08:24
camp,
1:08:25
if
1:08:25
you
1:08:25
want
1:08:25
to
1:08:25
segue
1:08:25
into
1:08:26
that.
1:08:26
It's
1:08:26
like,
1:08:28
you
1:08:28
know,
1:08:29
people
1:08:29
are
1:08:29
always
1:08:29
like,
1:08:29
go,
1:08:29
touch
1:08:30
grass.
1:08:31
Yeah,
1:08:32
it
1:08:32
was
1:08:32
my
1:08:32
go
1:08:32
touch
1:08:33
grass
1:08:33
moment,
1:08:33
and
1:08:34
it
1:08:34
was
1:08:34
great.
1:08:34
Dude,
1:08:34
I
1:08:35
want
1:08:35
to
1:08:35
go
1:08:35
to
1:08:35
Leah's
1:08:36
cantina.
1:08:36
I
1:08:36
will
1:08:37
go
1:08:37
to
1:08:37
that
1:08:37
cantina
1:08:38
close.
1:08:38
Enough
1:08:39
that
1:08:39
I
1:08:39
could
1:08:39
probably.
1:08:40
Yeah,
1:08:40
please
1:08:40
let
1:08:40
us
1:08:40
know
1:08:41
where
1:08:41
it
1:08:41
is.
1:08:41
I
1:08:41
just
1:08:41
want
1:08:41
to
1:08:41
crash
1:08:42
it
1:08:42
on
1:08:42
Saturday
1:08:42
night.
1:08:42
I'll
1:08:43
take
1:08:43
a
1:08:43
road
1:08:43
trip.
1:08:44
Not
1:08:44
a
1:08:44
company
1:08:44
store.
1:08:45
It's
1:08:45
a.
1:08:45
It's
1:08:45
an
1:08:46
old
1:08:46
mill
1:08:46
house
1:08:46
in
1:08:47
North
1:08:47
Charlotte.
1:08:49
Yeah.
1:08:50
Yeah.
1:08:51
I'm
1:08:51
just
1:08:51
gonna
1:08:51
put
1:08:52
the
1:08:52
link
1:08:52
down
1:08:53
in
1:08:53
the
1:08:53
show
1:08:53
notes
1:08:54
for
1:08:54
all
1:08:54
of
1:08:54
Leah's
1:08:54
books.
1:08:55
So
1:08:56
if
1:08:56
you
1:08:56
guys
1:08:56
want
1:08:56
to
1:08:57
follow
1:08:57
Dr.
1:08:57
Leah
1:08:58
Robinson,
1:08:58
because
1:08:59
I
1:08:59
feel
1:08:59
like
1:08:59
I
1:08:59
was
1:08:59
too
1:09:00
casual
1:09:00
and
1:09:00
excited
1:09:00
to
1:09:01
get
1:09:01
into
1:09:01
the
1:09:01
fun
1:09:01
bits
1:09:02
earlier,
1:09:02
but.
1:09:03
I
1:09:04
wasn't
1:09:04
offended
1:09:04
at
1:09:04
all.
1:09:05
Josh,
1:09:05
don't
1:09:05
worry.
1:09:05
Or
1:09:06
you
1:09:06
can
1:09:06
come
1:09:06
drink
1:09:06
with
1:09:06
me
1:09:07
at
1:09:07
the
1:09:07
bar,
1:09:07
too.
1:09:08
I
1:09:08
might
1:09:08
do
1:09:08
a
1:09:08
house
1:09:09
blessing
1:09:09
at
1:09:09
Joshua's
1:09:10
house.
1:09:10
And
1:09:10
then
1:09:10
we're
1:09:10
gonna
1:09:10
go
1:09:11
to
1:09:11
your
1:09:11
true
1:09:12
good
1:09:12
plan.
1:09:12
Perfect.
1:09:12
Yeah,
1:09:13
that's
1:09:13
what
1:09:13
we're
1:09:13
gonna
1:09:13
do.
1:09:14
So
1:09:14
if
1:09:15
you
1:09:15
like
1:09:15
this
1:09:15
episode,
1:09:16
please
1:09:16
consider
1:09:16
sharing
1:09:16
with
1:09:17
a
1:09:17
friend.
1:09:17
Share
1:09:17
with
1:09:17
an
1:09:17
enemy.
1:09:18
Share
1:09:18
with
1:09:18
your
1:09:18
cousins.
1:09:19
Share
1:09:19
with
1:09:19
your
1:09:19
cousins.
1:09:20
Especially
1:09:20
your
1:09:20
cousins.
1:09:20
Especially
1:09:21
your
1:09:21
cousins.
1:09:21
Rate
1:09:22
and
1:09:22
view
1:09:22
the
1:09:22
show
1:09:22
on
1:09:22
podchaser
1:09:23
or
1:09:23
Apple
1:09:23
Podcast
1:09:24
or
1:09:24
Spotify,
1:09:24
wherever
1:09:25
you're
1:09:25
listening.
1:09:26
It
1:09:26
really
1:09:26
helps
1:09:26
out
1:09:27
a
1:09:27
lot.
1:09:27
Manipulate
1:09:28
the
1:09:28
algorithm.
1:09:28
We
1:09:30
love
1:09:30
manipulation.
1:09:31
That's
1:09:31
true.
1:09:32
That's
1:09:32
what
1:09:32
my
1:09:32
pastor's
1:09:33
talking
1:09:33
about.
1:09:33
Official
1:09:33
stands
1:09:34
specifically.
1:09:37
Hey,
1:09:38
also
1:09:38
check
1:09:38
out
1:09:38
other
1:09:38
shows
1:09:39
in
1:09:39
onazole
1:09:40
Podcast
1:09:40
Network.
1:09:40
This
1:09:41
can
1:09:41
be
1:09:41
cross
1:09:41
posted
1:09:41
to
1:09:42
Systematic
1:09:42
Ecology.
1:09:43
Will,
1:09:43
myself
1:09:44
and
1:09:44
TJ
1:09:44
are
1:09:44
all
1:09:44
part
1:09:45
of
1:09:45
that
1:09:45
show
1:09:45
as
1:09:45
well.
1:09:45
So
1:09:46
that's
1:09:46
a
1:09:46
lot
1:09:46
of
1:09:46
fun.
1:09:47
Listen
1:09:47
to
1:09:48
the
1:09:48
homily
1:09:48
if
1:09:48
you
1:09:48
want
1:09:48
to
1:09:48
hear
1:09:48
more
1:09:49
of
1:09:49
Will.
1:09:49
Or
1:09:50
be
1:09:50
living
1:09:50
water
1:09:50
if
1:09:50
you
1:09:51
want
1:09:51
to
1:09:51
hear
1:09:51
more
1:09:51
of
1:09:51
me.
1:09:52
Those
1:09:52
rare
1:09:52
times
1:09:53
I
1:09:53
remember
1:09:53
to
1:09:53
do
1:09:53
it.
1:09:55
We
1:09:55
hope
1:09:55
you
1:09:55
enjoyed
1:09:55
it.
1:09:56
Next
1:09:56
week
1:09:56
we'll
1:09:56
be
1:09:56
talking
1:09:57
with
1:09:57
Beth
1:09:57
Allison
1:09:57
Barr
1:09:58
about
1:09:58
her
1:09:58
most
1:09:58
recent
1:09:59
book,
1:09:59
Becoming
1:10:00
the
1:10:00
Pastor's
1:10:00
Wife,
1:10:01
how
1:10:01
marriage
1:10:01
replaced
1:10:02
ordination
1:10:02
as
1:10:03
a
1:10:03
woman's
1:10:03
path
1:10:03
to
1:10:04
ministry,
1:10:04
and
1:10:05
how
1:10:05
the
1:10:05
idea
1:10:05
of
1:10:05
unity
1:10:05
has
1:10:06
been
1:10:06
used
1:10:06
to
1:10:06
silence
1:10:06
many
1:10:07
female
1:10:07
voices
1:10:08
from
1:10:08
speaking
1:10:08
up
1:10:09
in
1:10:09
the
1:10:09
church.
1:10:09
Then
1:10:10
we
1:10:10
will
1:10:10
be
1:10:10
speaking
1:10:11
with
1:10:11
Josh
1:10:11
Patterson
1:10:11
about
1:10:12
some
1:10:12
backlash
1:10:12
he
1:10:12
received
1:10:12
about
1:10:13
a
1:10:13
podcast
1:10:13
he
1:10:13
shared
1:10:14
in
1:10:14
a
1:10:14
Christian
1:10:14
group
1:10:15
and
1:10:15
how
1:10:15
we
1:10:15
hope
1:10:16
our
1:10:16
own
1:10:16
group,
1:10:16
Smiles
1:10:16
might
1:10:17
handle
1:10:17
similar
1:10:17
situations
1:10:18
better.
1:10:19
After
1:10:19
that,
1:10:19
we'll
1:10:19
be
1:10:19
speaking
1:10:20
with
1:10:20
Jonathan
1:10:20
macnie,
1:10:21
an
1:10:21
Anglican
1:10:22
autism
1:10:22
researcher,
1:10:23
about
1:10:23
his
1:10:23
work
1:10:23
with
1:10:23
faith
1:10:24
and
1:10:24
those
1:10:24
on
1:10:24
the
1:10:25
spectrum.
1:10:25
Finally,
1:10:26
at
1:10:26
the
1:10:26
end
1:10:27
of
1:10:27
season
1:10:27
one,
1:10:27
Francis
1:10:28
Chan
1:10:28
will
1:10:28
be
1:10:28
on
1:10:28
the
1:10:29
show.
1:10:31
No
1:10:31
one
1:10:31
has
1:10:31
started
1:10:32
the
1:10:32
edition
1:10:33
yet.
1:10:33
He
1:10:34
might
1:10:34
never
1:10:34
know
1:10:34
about
1:10:34
it.
1:10:35
I'll
1:10:35
be
1:10:35
surprised.
1:10:36
Even
1:10:36
to
1:10:36
him,
1:10:36
he'll
1:10:37
be
1:10:37
like,
1:10:38
five.
1:10:38
Years
1:10:38
later,
1:10:38
Five
1:10:39
years
1:10:39
later,
1:10:39
you're
1:10:39
still
1:10:39
in
1:10:39
season
1:10:40
one.
1:10:40
That's
1:10:40
what
1:10:40
I
1:10:40
love.
1:10:41
Oh
1:10:41
yeah,
1:10:41
yeah,
1:10:42
yeah.
1:10:43
It
1:10:43
going
1:10:43
strong,
1:10:44
going
1:10:45
strong.
1:10:45
Season
1:10:45
one.